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Geneva
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Tiffany
Cause I like how you. Hey, girl. Hey.
Geneva
How you doing? You know. You know, the sands of time are unyielding and continue to slip through my fingers in a relentless wave, reminding me that my mortality is finite, that the.
Tiffany
Inner machinations of my mind are an enigma.
Geneva
Anyway, titties are sitting though, girl.
Tiffany
Sit and party.
Geneva
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Tiffany
I've debated saying this on the show, but I guess why not? We talk about boobs and things all the time.
Geneva
Do it.
Tiffany
I'm gonna get my titties.
Geneva
Look, our manager is in the studio and she looks as shocked as hell.
Tiffany
So is Trese. No one knows.
Geneva
Everyone's surprised.
Tiffany
I don't know where I'm looking anymore. Tres. There I go.
Geneva
Listen, her body, her choice. We don't want to hear your opinions on it. She's going to do what she's going to do. I support you either way.
Tiffany
I love you.
Geneva
Let's get the. And let's get the unnecessary out of the way. You are absolutely stunning and perfect as you are. You've always been built like a thoroughbred stallion.
Tiffany
Thank you.
Geneva
My God, everywhere we go, heads turn. You needn't do anything to yourself. However, I cannot very well in good conscience sit here and tell you don't get breast implants. Knowing good and well Hallie and Barry have been residents on my chest for over 10 years. Thank you, Dr. Sadler.
Tiffany
Period. Dr. S. Don't you call him S or something like that?
Geneva
Dr. Sadler.
Tiffany
Sadler.
Geneva
Dr. Sadler.
Tiffany
I considered actually going to Seattle first. Do you remember that? And we had like a whole Hitchcocked plan.
Geneva
I honestly forgot. I completely forgot about this.
Tiffany
And we did. Because the cost of. What is it? It's not called boob jobs.
Geneva
What's the breast augmentation?
Tiffany
Augmentation, that's the word. I'm looking for it because the cost of breast augmentations, as I'm learning in New York City, is absolutely astronomical in comparison to most states.
Geneva
And that is because if you want to get any kind of plastic surgery or actually any surgery in New York State. I used to actually work in plastics. I'm not proud of it. It was all I was hiring during COVID Okay. And I couldn't clean one more house.
Tiffany
Working plastics is like you strawing Stanley cups for hours.
Geneva
I know. Oh, I'm at a plastic factory. What do you think I meant? I worked in. I was. I was just a receptionist in a plastic surgery place. We'll get into that another day. It's a horror story. But I actually asked once, I was like, why is it triple the cost in New York City? And a surgeon told me it's because with a bunch of things. But regarding like taxes, the general cost of living on top of that or fees in New York City are very high. So not only are you paying for more expensive surgeons that have higher probably. I mean a New York City surgeon is going to cost more than just.
Tiffany
At the gate because you're based in New York City and your clientele can in theory afford it. The cost of living is higher everything.
Geneva
And then on top of that there are certain or fees that are much, much higher in New York City. So all these things come into play. Some doctors actually have office in the city, but then they actually perform surgery outside the city.
Tiffany
Really?
Geneva
Like in Queens or Brooklyn.
Tiffany
And does that keep the cost lower?
Geneva
You know, I couldn't speak to it. None of the doctors I worked for did that.
Tiffany
Interesting.
Geneva
But I know some people who've had some things done and that's what they did. Another thing about plastic surgery, cheapest is not always the way to. The most expensive is not always the best choice. But also the least expensive is also, it's true, not always your best choice.
Tiffany
Now, did I bolt when I got the bill? Absolutely. Scenario lock in. So I've been talking about getting my boobs done for quite some time. At least as long as I've known you. It's been something. And I grew up in South Florida. South Florida is the land of augmentation. It's like a given by the time you're 16 that you'll have gotten something done. Which no tea, no shade. We love that for the girls. Do what you got to do, I guess. But it never really thought that it would be a thing for me until I became an adult and started doing pageants and things and became more of a fashion girl and noticed that I just want my breasts to sit a certain way all the time.
Geneva
Sure.
Tiffany
I don't want to have to wear a push up bra. Yeah, I don't want to have to tape. I've got scarring on my chest right now from breast tape that I put on in Miami.
Geneva
Really?
Tiffany
Two months ago. Oh, no, I can't do it anymore. So I said, now I've got to get real and honest about myself. What will this look like? So I find a surgeon who a friend of ours has actually gone to, and she specializes in small volume implants. Yeah, you want to do a little something. Something small, something light, something small, something light, a nice little lift, nothing crazy. So I said, let me go. I'll do the consultation and we'll see. And I was like. I had in my mind that I was gonna keep it calm and cool, collected. I'd walk in, I've done this before. I know what we're going in for. I've never done this before, but I'm like, I can act like it, so I'm not overzealous. Always a vibe, always a vibe. I've never done this, but I'm acting like.
Geneva
I used to love going to my boob appointments because I'd wear a big old trench and sunglasses. And I'd come up, is the doctor in? Do I just go wait in the next room? I always was like, man, I'm. I was also 20, you know, so I'm wearing my Burlington Coat Factor.
Tiffany
It moves like plastic.
Geneva
Sorry, Geneva, I'm just going to move into the lobby.
Tiffany
You sound like the Tin man walking. I'm hollering. But yes, basically, I felt like a 20 year old for the first time. But anyway, I was so excited. And the doctor was like, she's so gentle and so sweet. And she's like, all right, so it's time. Let's see him. And I was like, absolutely. Rips the coat out. Like, I'm ready to show this woman my tits more than I've been ready to do anything in my life.
Geneva
And you have great boobs.
Tiffany
Great boobs to start. You know, we've got something good to work with, so I'm very excited. So anyway, she's basically said that I'm the perfect candidate for the kind of implants that I want, which is really exciting. And so we go through the process. I'm thinking about the price as we're sitting there, but I'm also like, it can't be more than. I had like 15 in my head. I was like, no more than 15.
Geneva
Which is also real. I will say realistic. And yours is high. Yeah, 15 is realistic.
Tiffany
Yeah.
Geneva
Okay, good to know that was realistic.
Tiffany
Because I was like, I think it's on the high end, but it's New York, so I'm sure there's some kind of.
Geneva
There I got bit by a. I got bit by a surgery bug and just. I went to a surgeon that I am friends with.
Tiffany
Yeah.
Geneva
And I basically was like, also my mom was like, do you just want to show people your boobs? I was like, yeah. Walked into his office, I was like, what do you think of the redoing these bad boys? What do you think? Do you think Miri died? They're a decade old. And I got quoted about like 12.
Tiffany
To redo.
Geneva
To redo. Yeah. But that's a little different.
Tiffany
Yeah. And this was here, though.
Geneva
Yeah. In New York City. And he's a triple board certified plastic surgeon. You gotta make sure yours is more triple bird certified.
Tiffany
I did check on this promise that she is. She is.
Geneva
Well, yeah, for the price, I'm sure.
Tiffany
Hell boobs will be getting done. It won't be as soon as I thought it would be, but the goal is to have it done by the end of the year. Kelly, if you're listening to this, I promise I'm not doing it tomorrow. I will take my time and save it, I think.
Geneva
Is this something I struggle with for a long time? Because I had them done and when I first got a platform and I first started sharing just about my life, the having had plastic surgery was something I kept very quiet for a very long time because I. Not that I was ashamed, but I thought, as I've always been aware of the fact that even when I had a platform of 100,000, right before I had a million followers, whatever, I was like any platform, any platform at all. I feel a responsibility to those that trust me. I feel a responsibility to. I want to put out good into the world. And I was afraid for a long time that if I talked about my own truth, that in some way, shape or form it would make somebody else.
Tiffany
Feel inferior in some way.
Geneva
Yeah. Or that they should go and do that too. Or that I was promoting that. And I'm a feminist all the way through.
Tiffany
Rock on.
Geneva
If there are no feminists on this earth left, just know I've passed away.
Tiffany
We are gone.
Geneva
Okay. So this is what I struggle with. But then I thought at the same time, if a friend came to me was like, I really want to do this thing for me. I'm not going to shame you. I'm not going to be like, it's your. I believe your body, your choice, top to bottom.
Tiffany
Absolutely.
Geneva
In every way that it can mean that. So do what you're going to do. You know, you're beautiful either way. And I love that you're doing it for you. Not like you didn't list one time like a boyfriend or a man that you want to please.
Tiffany
Every man in my life, in fact, has felt very strongly about the fact that I'm doing this to the point that they're like, it would affect the way that I look at you. And I'm like, here's the door, bucko.
Geneva
Who said that?
Tiffany
I can't name no names. Anyways, we won't name names, but the point is we won't name names. I will say this is certainly a decision that has mostly been informed by women like you in my life, who I've seen thrive and love their bodies the way that they are. And that decision was purely yours. It wasn't affected by any social construct or pressures or, like, I don't feel like I need to do this for my career. It truly is something that I just want to do for myself because I want to look hot in a little strapless moment. Like, fuck off.
Geneva
Just fuck off, man. Just you.
Tiffany
I love you. My God.
Geneva
Love you. Oh, my God.
Tiffany
Calm down. It's not that deep.
Geneva
I got tired of wearing Victoria's Secret double wow bras. I just wanted a little something.
Tiffany
Flotation devices on the chest at all times.
Geneva
Oh, my God.
Tiffany
Who wants them?
Geneva
I've gotten many times. When I first got them done, I did think they'd help me float.
Tiffany
Did they?
Geneva
I have almost drowned at least twice with these all.
Tiffany
Yeah, you still can't swim. Yeah. Didn't do you much good.
Geneva
Didn't do much good. It can't be helped.
Tiffany
It can't be helped.
Geneva
Come on. Good God. Anyways. Anyways. Well, I'm excited for you. I think it's really cool that you. I wasn't sure if it was something you were going to talk about publicly, but you're that girl for just being like, fuck it.
Tiffany
Fuck it. I thought about it and I'm like, why? Why keep it a secret? The only reason I would keep it a secret is if I'm ashamed.
Geneva
Exactly.
Tiffany
Because quite frankly, I share that. I have a UTI every other week on this damn podcast, and that doesn't shame me. So I'm like, something open as being able to get plastic surgery.
Geneva
That was one thing that I did regret, honestly, throughout my career, that it took me until at least two years in to be like, God. And the reason I say regret is because I let it have so much power over me for so long, and I don't even know why. I don't. I don't even Know why I carried this feeling that I had some kind of secret and. Okay, I'm going to tell this story delicately.
Tiffany
Oh.
Geneva
I always had this rule of thumb.
Tiffany
Oh, yeah.
Geneva
Remember you remember this? Especially when I was Miss New York competing. Also I was competing in pageants. And so like that was back in the day when like plastic surgery was so taboo. Whatever. Fuck it.
Tiffany
What are you gonna do?
Geneva
Fire me?
Tiffany
Put some slack on my girl.
Geneva
Too late now. Have to pry that crown from my cold, dead hands.
Tiffany
Love when you say that. Thank you all. Z. Okay.
Geneva
It was one of those things where I was really open with it. If somebody just straight up asked me, can I ask, are you boobs real?
Tiffany
Yep.
Geneva
I'd be honest because I wouldn't bring myself to lie. I just, again, I didn't talk about it like with my platform or like out there, but because I had told people verbally, it did spread as like this general. It was like something that was generally known, especially amongst people we know.
Tiffany
Yeah.
Geneva
The moment that I literally was like, yeah, I got my boobs done and I was. And I was also honest about why I didn't share it publicly. It felt like this huge weight was lifted off my shoulders and it felt so silly that I carry your chest. 310cc of weight to be exact.
Tiffany
Sorry, I had to.
Geneva
It was right there. It was so good. Never be sorry for a good pun. Well, we have a live show coming up.
Tiffany
My God, we do.
Geneva
And it's sold out.
Tiffany
I love that you can whistle trains. That's iconic. I can't do it. Me whistling and smacking.
Geneva
I feel like one of those people at an old folks home with their.
Tiffany
Dentures with no teeth.
Geneva
That thing they do, they gummy.
Tiffany
I'm a little gummy, that's all. Well, I wanted to start a pool to see how fast we would sell out, but I didn't even think that we would sell out in less than 24 hours. That exceeded my expectations.
Geneva
I remember when we first started having a. Talked about having a show. I was like, can we just keep it like cap it at 60? Because I was worried. I was like, because if we don't sell enough tickets, I don't want the room to look empty.
Tiffany
Correct. And look at us now. Who's empty? Not us.
Geneva
Not us.
Tiffany
We're full. Super full.
Geneva
I've gotta do a good BM later. That's how full I am.
Tiffany
Yummy. Well, that takes us to who gives a crap? Did you? I saw it on your face as it was clicking.
Geneva
I love a good segue.
Tiffany
Love a good segue. Well, tell them about who Gives a Crap, girl.
Geneva
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Tiffany
Yeah.
Geneva
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Tiffany
That's a lot.
Geneva
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Tiffany
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Geneva
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Tiffany
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Geneva
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Tiffany
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Geneva
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Tiffany
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Geneva
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Tiffany
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Geneva
Especially from brains like ours.
Tiffany
We need that help. Because the way I run out of.
Geneva
Toilet paper, and then you gotta jump in the shower.
Tiffany
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Geneva
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Tiffany
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Geneva
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Tiffany
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Geneva
Who's putting dyes and inks in our cooter?
Tiffany
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Geneva
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Tiffany
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Tiffany
Mm. What's the deal if I've ever heard one?
Geneva
Mm.
Tiffany
Mm. Well, we've been reading the comments and it's so fun to see where the fan base is located. I tagged you in something recently. All the UK girlies are banding together in the comments. We have got to go to the uk.
Geneva
We have got to get to London.
Tiffany
We've got to get to London. We've been saying that for a while.
Geneva
We've been saying it for a while.
Tiffany
We've been saying we take a trip.
Geneva
We'Ll take a trip.
Tiffany
We'll do it eventually. But don't fret for all the girlies, the divas who couldn't get tickets this time around, there is a live stream. Cause we saw a bunch of y' all in the comments saying that you weren't gonna come. You can come. Fret not if you did not get your tickets for the show in person, you can still buy them online. $15 for the live stream. For the live stream. And you can get your tickets for the live stream at the link in our bio or go to Caveat NYC and get them there.
Geneva
Love y'. All. Thank you so much and I hope this is the first of many.
Tiffany
I love doing the live event.
Geneva
This is going to be fun. I'm excited. I'm excited.
Tiffany
I'm excited. I was telling you in the car the other day, I had a little nurse. A little like tummy flutter. But it's not like bad nerves. Like, ah, I'm scared. It's more like nerves when you're really excited to do something and that's the only way that your body knows how to process is just a little. No, I have nervous energy, but it's good nervous energy.
Geneva
Good. I know.
Tiffany
I can't wait to.
Geneva
I mean, I have nerves. Just know we're going to be. We got nerves in there.
Tiffany
We got nerves when you see us up there. We nerves when you see us up on that stage. Just know we nervous. Ah. I'm screaming, no. I'm so excited. It's gonna be a great ass time, y'.
Geneva
All.
Tiffany
Come as you are.
Geneva
Yeah, come as you are. But if people. I saw that some people were like, it would be fine if we dressed in a certain theme, like depending on our favorite episode or favorite bit, which you are more than encouraged to do.
Tiffany
It's giving, like a Taylor Swift concert.
Geneva
I think that's fun. If you wanna wear wigs or you wanna do whatever, do what you wanna do, we're gonna love that.
Tiffany
I'm curious to see what the deep lore of the show will become.
Geneva
I can't wait.
Tiffany
I love moments like that.
Geneva
But just know you can. There's no pressure. Come as you are.
Tiffany
Come as you are.
Geneva
I recently discovered this is. I don't think this is embarrassing, but I'm just gonna say it.
Tiffany
Tell me.
Geneva
Okay. Obviously, we love Steven Tyler. Like, he's so funny. Like, he's such a character. And we have an ongoing bit about Steven Tyler being, like, a funny. And also, he's just like, he's an OG rock star.
Tiffany
He is, but he's, like, the sweeter one. Yeah, he's kind of dad and funny.
Geneva
Like, he's an eccentric figure in history. But I'll be honest, other than. And I don't want to miss the thing. I've never really been an Aerosmith fan. Not that I dislike the music. I just don't really listen to it.
Tiffany
Yeah.
Geneva
But other than that one song.
Tiffany
Yeah. I don't want to close my eyes? I don't want to fall asleep.
Geneva
Cause I miss you, babe?
Tiffany
And I don't want to miss a break?
Geneva
Even when I dream of you. Okay.
Tiffany
Was that a song in Armageddon? It's from Armageddon, and Liv was in it. Was she Liv. Liv was the main character, so her daddy's singing the song. Yes. Oh, I love that overlap.
Geneva
Isn't that great?
Tiffany
I didn't recently see Armageddon until I recently saw Armageddon for the first time because it's so sad. And I was like, I'm not doing this to my damn self.
Geneva
The reason I brought up Armageddon, Armageddon, and Steven Tyler is I recently discovered I, like, never watched an Aerosmith music video and ever. Yeah, I get it.
Tiffany
I do do.
Geneva
Let me say something. Let me say something.
Tiffany
Say what you got.
Geneva
This is crazy.
Tiffany
Yeah. Yeah.
Geneva
This is crazy.
Tiffany
Yeah. Yeah.
Geneva
Not my type. I like a big man that's built for the field. I like a man that looks like he has been carrying hay since he could walk.
Tiffany
He could haul an axe.
Geneva
I love ox. Oh, God. I love a big neck on a man.
Tiffany
I've been saying for the longest time. I love a big neck.
Geneva
A neck I like. Right. You smell right behind his ear. Yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum. Okay. I love a big man. Steven Tyler is not a big man. So it's not really. He's not really somebody that I would look twice at, but I watched a music video for a song called Pink is My Favorite Color.
Tiffany
I don't love the song, but I like it pink.
Geneva
Oh, the pink on the lips of your lover.
Tiffany
Oh, how spicy.
Geneva
I'm in my room.
Tiffany
I'm in my car.
Geneva
This was my feet. My feet came.
Tiffany
You're driving with your legs crying.
Geneva
I'm driving with my one finger on the wheel and my legs going like this.
Tiffany
You're pressing the gas pedal with my.
Geneva
He goes with this one line. It's crazy.
Tiffany
Now I've got to listen.
Geneva
And he. I don't know. And I was like, what's going on? Yeah, there is something. My heart's pounding.
Tiffany
Oh, say it, please.
Geneva
I get it. That's what I'll say. I get it. I understand. And that came out in 1997.
Tiffany
Delicious peak.
Geneva
Take me back to that time. I get it. Why? Because I watch videos of that and I'm like, I've not. You know what I've never understood, like, why women went crazy over Kiss. Like, the guys, the painted faces. I've never understood, like. Like the rock star. Sex appeal is not necessary for me that.
Tiffany
I have thoughts. I have thoughts.
Geneva
The leather pants, they're not quite in shape, but they're not quite out of shape. You're not quite in shape, but you're.
Tiffany
Not out of shape.
Geneva
There's something going on. They're Cordy. They' Cordy arms.
Tiffany
Yeah.
Geneva
And there are women just throwing themselves over the. You know what I mean? Over the barricades. Women are absolutely beside that. We watch those old videos.
Tiffany
Hell, yeah.
Geneva
And I'm like, wow, what a conundrum. I'll never understand.
Tiffany
Yep.
Geneva
But I watched some footage of Steven Tyler in the 90s and I was like, you know what?
Tiffany
It's clicking.
Geneva
You're clicking, but you're clicking down. I understand it. I was like, you know what? You have a little something about you. There's a sort of androgynous sex appeal that I think is completely fascinating and it's very interesting to me.
Tiffany
I have studied this for millennia.
Geneva
Talk to me.
Tiffany
Prince is the ultimate. The ultimate victim's not the word. Example of this. Women would lose their shit over Prince.
Geneva
He's in for his arm.
Tiffany
He's wearing a pirate top, Skin tight jeans, eyeliner, nail extensions, the whole thing. But I get it. He's so fucking sexy, it's insane. God rest his soul.
Geneva
I know what it is.
Tiffany
What is it?
Geneva
You look at a man like that and you're like, I just know you can eat pussy.
Tiffany
That's what it comes down to. That's what it comes down to.
Geneva
That's what it is.
Tiffany
And, you know, he would take his sweet time.
Geneva
He would. And he wouldn't want anything after.
Tiffany
That's it.
Geneva
He'd go, okay, baby, now, about going to bed, you'd be like, what? You wake up, you're like, okay, hold on, let me do you correct.
Tiffany
You know, and you're like, he's done. He's giving you a pedicure at the end of it all. The ultimate aftertaste. Put on Shrek, you are in a silk robe getting a pedicure at the end of all that.
Geneva
I think it also kind of plays with that Persona. Bruno Mars with the Silk Sonic album.
Tiffany
Silk Sonic is. Oi.
Geneva
I love that. I thought that. I thought he was playing with that Persona. But there are some people that lived and breathed it, and I think that, like, I think that, yeah, Steven Tyler is one of those. Prince is one of those.
Tiffany
Yeah. Like the era of 80s hair bands and the hyper. Because they weren't. It wasn't hyper masculinity. They all had really long, stringy hair. They all wore makeup. It was very. It's very fascinating.
Geneva
Yeah.
Tiffany
Very interesting. To me, I'm. Oh, God. David Bowie is the perfect example.
Geneva
Oh, my. Heaven's in that. Or in Mick Jagger.
Tiffany
Yes. Have you ever seen the. You may know the name Trace, when David Bowie played like a. A troll king or something. Like a Labyrinth. Yes. We watched Labyrinth when I was in high school, because I was a theater major. We watched Labyrinth and we were, like, exploring the practicality of making the puppets. Okay, so in Labyrinth, there's a labyrinth and there's a young girl, and she's going through this mythical labyrinth. And David Bowie is, like, the purveyor of this labyrinth, like, he owns it. And in the labyrinth, I want to say they're trolls. I want to say they're fairies. I don't know. But David Bowie is peak David. So he's in, like, a flowy shirt, nipples, dang there, hanging out. He's in all white. He looks straight up like a woman. And it's incredible. It is so erotic, though. It is the weird. It's the weirdest thing. So, yes, I agree with what you're saying.
Geneva
I'm driving and I'm like, this is really this sort of birth of branding. Branding and talent becoming equitable in their importance of, like. Now, granted, these are all extremely talented musicians and people. I mean, obviously, Prince. I don't even include Prince in this because he's so musically gifted. The purple one, it's crazy. So don't get me wrong. The talent is a huge part of this. But that was the sex appeal, the feel, the sound that they had, the specific sound. I'm listening to this music, and a lot of the song that I love so much that, like, gets your tummy flipped. Pink is my favorite color. He's like, not even sing.
Tiffany
Barely sing.
Geneva
And then he screams. He's like, ow.
Tiffany
And you're like, I'm going 80. Almost drove off the road. I was like, wow, you drive off the ravine.
Geneva
This is exactly what I wanted. I didn't even get coffee. This is my first coffee today. Usually, I didn't need any.
Tiffany
You had to. Steven Tyler, he kept you going all.
Geneva
The way through upstate New York, so. And I was thinking of you because you love to talk and muse on, you know, music theory and people's music careers. Then I'm thinking about, and I'm like, okay, well, let's see. Like, when did, like, what does branding look like? Through the ages with some of the greats. And then I'm thinking about Stevie Wonder. And then I'm like, is he somebody that didn't need branding? Cause all he did was hold a damn clarinet on the front of a problem cover. That looked psychedelic and he was good.
Tiffany
Or he's in a robe in the desert. One of his. It's iconic, but also, what were you doing? Like, what was.
Geneva
Did he have. Do you feel that Stevie Wonder had. In the same way that, like, a Beyonce has very strategic branding and imagery. Did he? Or was he just talented and we just wanted to hear his music?
Tiffany
I think that's.
Geneva
By the way, forgive me for speaking in past tense, because he's very much alive.
Tiffany
I forget sometimes, admittedly, I'm so thankful that he's still with us.
Geneva
I was at a party that he was supposed to show up to. 11:30 came, and they came out and they said, I don't think Stevie's coming.
Tiffany
Was it advertised that he was gonna be there?
Geneva
It was like, people were hoping he was gonna come, but they were like, we can't promise anything, folks. And Michelle Obama was there.
Tiffany
Stevie didn't show.
Geneva
She came and spoke. It was amazing. And she was like, we're just here to celebrate my friend Stevie. Oh, nowhere in sight. He sends his regrets. He just didn't want to come.
Tiffany
I know. That's right.
Geneva
You've earned it at that point. I'm a huge fan of his.
Tiffany
Absolutely.
Geneva
So, yes. So currently. But what do you think?
Tiffany
I would agree. I'm trying to think through the very distinct eras of Stevie's music. I Would say, similar to like a Luther Vandross. When you're that talented, especially being a male, you don't have to constantly regurgitate or turn over gimmicks. You don't have to turn over branding. They just get to be where. And that's a big conversation in music because women have to reinvent every 20 years. Cher. We can think about Cher's very distinct career highs and moments where she was disco Cher and then she was electronic Cher and then she was maybe R and B Cher, and then she was kind of country Cher. Like, we can see those moments. You can see it with Madonna, you can see it with Beyonce. Men don't really have to go through that same journey. Even more uber talented men who sing don't really have to go through that same journey either. But then I would think it's different for boy groups because, like, New Edition had to reinvent and still be sexy and keep up with the times.
Geneva
Backstreet Boys is riding this bitch to the wheels.
Tiffany
Fog the wheels. Jonas Brothers are a great example. They're selling out. Yeah.
Geneva
So Jonas Brothers are a good example. Yeah, actually.
Tiffany
Yeah.
Geneva
Yes. Oh, my God. They're a great example.
Tiffany
They are.
Geneva
Of that.
Tiffany
Of the reinvention and the coming back. But uber talented men, especially back at san. Like the 70s, 80s, 90s, didn't really have to do that.
Geneva
Yeah.
Tiffany
They just got to be creative in their aura was enough. But that was back in the day when aura was enough.
Geneva
Well, there's that.
Tiffany
There's that everything now is just so hyper branded, which, I mean, it has its place for sure. As a publicist. I think it definitely has its place. But there is something to be said. There is an art to it.
Geneva
Yeah.
Tiffany
But there's something to be said about just getting the opportunity to be talented as fuck. And Stevie Wonder is damn near 80 years old and has been talented as hell his entire life.
Geneva
The best discography.
Tiffany
Crazy out there.
Geneva
I. It's. I mean. And I can listen to. He's a. He's an artist. I can put on. Hey, Siri, just play Stevie Wonder. And I'm gonna get polka music. I'm gonna get a saxophone solo. I'm gonna get a harmonica for 35 minutes. I'm gonna get a track of his wife and daughter talking. And it's just him playing.
Tiffany
Yeah. Or bongos. He loves damn bongos. I don't know what.
Geneva
I love it all. It's all good. It's all interesting. It's all exciting and delightful.
Tiffany
That's a good way to put it.
Geneva
Interesting and it's unexpected. And I just. I really love music like that. And so I'm kind of adding now Aerosmith to that list for me, which it really wasn't on there. You know me, I love soul music. I'm absolutely obsessed with Sam Cooke, Ray Charles, Stevie Wonder. I'm predictable in that way. And so I have a new interest in rock music that I did not before because I have a new appreciation. I'm like, this is me sitting there listening to Someone's Got a Baby that he's the Aerosmith guy.
Tiffany
Literally, something's up with these guys.
Geneva
Me listening to Steven Tyler for the first time. You gotta get down here. This kid's gonna be a star.
Tiffany
He's in his 80s. He's gonna be big.
Geneva
He's gonna be big.
Tiffany
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Geneva
Trust me.
Tiffany
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Tiffany
Iconic. Yeah, there's something to be said. Rock music is elite.
Geneva
It.
Tiffany
Yeah, it really is.
Geneva
And it's birthed so much inspiration.
Tiffany
But, you know, the original inspiration was black creativity. I have to say it.
Geneva
Absolutely. Elvis took so much black music and redid it.
Tiffany
It's crazy. The. I mean, the genre of rock was. I'll just say this. We would still be listening to classical music in America had blacks not discovered style and soul.
Geneva
And there's so much that people don't know. Like, for example, remember how earlier, moments ago, I said I was obsessed with Sam Cooke. I went through a whole phase of my life where I was only listening to music from like the frigging 50s and 60s. My whole family drove me crazy. I don't know. I was doing my own thing.
Tiffany
That's a great thing.
Geneva
I love Sam Cooke. So I even, especially in one of his early, early albums, there is a song, a soul song, a blues song called Little Red Rooster. It is great. I've got a little red rooster, two legs he will crow for days. It's so good. And the hounds begin the hound and he's on an organ that goes. I searched Little Red Rooster because I just wanted to know more about the song and where it went. Years later, Rolling Stones, they pop up.
Tiffany
Don't get me started on the song.
Geneva
They pop up as who did the song. I am floored. I'm like, this is a Sam Cooke song and he's not even popping up. I mean, I'm sure if you were to do some additional googling. I'm not saying he wasn't credited at all.
Tiffany
Yeah.
Geneva
I'm just saying that's so fascinating that when I bring it up, they're like, yeah, Rolling Stones. And I'm like, I'm talking about Sam Cooke.
Tiffany
But good to know they did it all. Throw shade at one of the highest selling music groups of all time.
Geneva
Let me be careful, actually. Be careful. No, no, it's not shade. It's not shade. I'm sure those artists, too. I'll also say this. Those artists too probably had just as much love and respect.
Tiffany
Correct.
Geneva
The same artists that we do.
Tiffany
Yeah.
Geneva
If they're covering their music, hopefully. So it's. It's more so. It's just interesting how it ends up getting diluted. And I mean, some people don't know black people's ties to country music.
Tiffany
Not at all. But Beyonce's doing the good Lord's work. Look at her go now. Well, you know, act three is going to be the rock album, so I'm so excited for this surge of education on the genre of rock and black people's impact on it. I cannot wait. I cannot wait.
Geneva
This is so exciting.
Tiffany
It's going to be really great. We love rock music.
Geneva
We love rock music.
Tiffany
Well, I love that you're on this. Aerosmith, Journey, Diva.
Geneva
Oh, my God. Thank you.
Tiffany
It's really great.
Geneva
Thank you so much. I also can't stop listening to Blame on the Book Hate. It's my favorite. Don't Blame it on the Good times. Don't Blame it on the Moonlight. Okay, I have an idea for his skit. I'll tell you guys now. And if you guys see it on, you have to laugh at it and react like I didn't tell you already. I'm in my car and all I can think about is, don't blame it on the sunshine. Moonlight, good times. So he goes, don't blame it on the sunshine. And it's me dressed as a giant sun. Or somebody dressed as the giant. Let me roll it back. So he goes, don't blame it on the sunshine. And someone dresses the giant sun. And they're like, don't blame it on the sunshine. And then it's don't blame it on the moonlight. And it's a moon.
Tiffany
It's a moon.
Geneva
It's like, don't blame it on the good times. And it's just as somebody has a hat, it says good times. And then it jumps to somebody with. They have a name tag on. And it said, hello, my name is Boogie. And it's just. He's reading a magazine on a chair and he's like, blame it on the boogie.
Tiffany
And everyone's like egging him and he's.
Geneva
Like, what did I do?
Tiffany
I didn't do anything.
Geneva
God, the whole time I'm driving, just cracking myself up like this poor guy. And every time Michael goes back to me, I can't stop. I can't stop, dammit.
Tiffany
On the boogie.
Geneva
And he's just like, stop.
Tiffany
Like, damn. I'm just trying to live to some.
Geneva
Young man named Boogie.
Tiffany
The boogie is very sad.
Geneva
The boogie. Blame it on the boogie. He's in jail at the end. When I can't get. I can't control my feet. Everyone's dancing. The warden's having a great time.
Tiffany
The video ends with him being sentenced. I know in court.
Geneva
I just can't control my feet.
Tiffany
Poor Boogie got the short end of it.
Geneva
He's stuck and he's in the prison cell so good he's trying to sleep in his prison cell. Blame it on the guy.
Tiffany
A song haunts him forever. When we get budget, we have to recreate this. Cause that's actually neat.
Geneva
I need a sun suit. I need a moon suit. I need a.
Tiffany
We need a man to play boogie.
Geneva
You need a man to play boogie.
Tiffany
We need a full court.
Geneva
You need the jet skis. And of course, need Mo.
Tiffany
You gotta pay. Moke's gotta pay. Mo like to be paid on time. You know how he is. You gotta pull up. You gotta pull up the tractors, the lap jackets, all. You need it all. Cause you can't go out there with your permit neither, so.
Geneva
Couple flares.
Tiffany
Yep, couple flares.
Geneva
My dad always. My dad always had a boat growing up. Are you thinking about. I'm thinking about whether I want to tell the story. Here's what I will say. My mom used to get mad because she was like, robert, have all your safety precautions on the boat. And he's like, I'm good. He had one life jacket and eight flares with four of y' all on the boat.
Tiffany
One life jacket.
Geneva
But I remember as a kid, my dad never skimped on the flares. And I'm like, we're on a lake.
Tiffany
Somebody will see us.
Geneva
But no, we run out of gas in the middle of the lake. Don't worry. I feel like we don't need as many flares as we have.
Tiffany
Daddy, you have one life jacket is crazy. It was for me, of course, because you can't swim.
Geneva
I'm on the back of the boat. Fuck.
Tiffany
Oh, my God. Back of the boat with the damn.
Geneva
Flare stuck in my jacket.
Tiffany
I've never held a flare, but I've always wanted to uncork one.
Geneva
No, I don't think I ever want to. Because if you're undoing a flare, then things are wrong.
Tiffany
Something's wrong. I just would like to try it, but not in a high stakes situation. Just to see what it's like.
Geneva
That's like saying, I want to know what it's like to spray a fire extinguisher. Sue me.
Tiffany
That sounds fun to me. I'd like to try it. I think about that all the time. Also, I don't know how to use one of those. So if some shit popped, I wouldn't be able to help. I could throw the extinguisher into the fire. I would do that, but don't know how to.
Geneva
Well, they're saying that fire blankets are all the rage now.
Tiffany
Really?
Geneva
They're safer.
Tiffany
You can just smother it.
Geneva
My ass. I would be like, don't worry, guys. I've got the fire blanket. I throw it, the whole thing ignites. The fire is bigger, the crowd.
Tiffany
Whoa, whoa. Me in the back. Jesus. Or you smothered someone in a fire blanket. I'm like, yes, Lord, bless it. Because it's giving, like the holy church. Yeah. Yes, Lord, bless her.
Geneva
Well, it's about that time.
Tiffany
I think it's about that time.
Geneva
We're having so much fun.
Tiffany
I know I could talk to you all I could.
Geneva
We could have a four hour podcast.
Tiffany
We actually know this to be true. Which Is kind of crazy.
Geneva
One of these days, we'll do. We'll call it a marathon.
Tiffany
It's like a telethon podcast. By the end of the 80s hours, her lips are chapped. We're dry as hell.
Geneva
We're drunk as drunk.
Tiffany
Call in. We got the. We got the. The. Cause, Shashana, where we at?
Geneva
Anything else we need to plug? My lips are bleeding.
Tiffany
They're so cracked.
Geneva
That be crazy. We get to a point in the show, we run out of things to talk about. And I'm drunk. All right, I want you to. Now listen. Punch me as hard as you can in the heart.
Tiffany
I'm trying to see something that's the.
Geneva
Kind of drunk I am. I really. There's the friend that runs away. There's the friend that always serves up, which is my least favorite one. I serves up, throws up.
Tiffany
Oh, okay.
Geneva
Like, always, like, can't handle that. Can't handle their liquor. And they always end up throwing up in the street or on the corner. And you're like. We see them get the third shot, and you're like, now pukey. You don't get to have the third shot because you can't keep it together. Yeah, pukey. Can we get Taco Bell later? No.
Tiffany
No.
Geneva
Because I'm gonna see it again in.
Tiffany
30 minutes, and I don't wanna do that.
Geneva
Disgusting.
Tiffany
So get your ass out.
Geneva
There's me.
Tiffany
Mm.
Geneva
I immediately look for the biggest dude in the bar.
Tiffany
Size him up.
Geneva
Size him up. And I'm gonna. Either you and me, we're gonna wrestle in the parking lot. And I don't mean the sexual way. I mean, I want to see what you got. I mean, I want you to give it your all. Or I'm like, all right, I'm going to Punch me as hard as you can right now.
Tiffany
You do drunk so well. Punch me as hard as you can.
Geneva
All I need to punch me as hard as you can right here. Okay. And men always go, I know, because I've done this all so many times. I'm not going to hit a woman. All right. You're not going to hit a woman.
Tiffany
You hear that?
Geneva
He's not gonna hit one. He's not gonna hit women. And I'm guessing, who'd you vote for?
Tiffany
That's me at every bar, antagonizing men for not. I've seen you do it, though. You really do, like, hate men when.
Geneva
You're not gonna hit a woman. Okay. Okay, cool. Where's your girlfriend? Maybe I'll hit You know what?
Tiffany
You're In.
Geneva
Maybe I'll give it a go.
Tiffany
That's crazy. I'm just kidding.
Geneva
What's your name?
Tiffany
You walk away. You stumble away. And when you're drunk, you walk like Bambi. Bitches are always in heels. Kills me.
Geneva
I gotta go. I'm gonna go back with my friends. I'm sorry, what I said.
Tiffany
And you lean forward when you drunk walk. Seriously, you're just unsteady.
Geneva
And I don't have to pee. I always have to pee.
Tiffany
Always peeing.
Geneva
Ooh, guys. Oh, Jesus. I'm gonna come with you, okay? I'm sorry. I'm done.
Tiffany
No, this is real.
Geneva
Punch me as hard as you can. Right in my heart. I'm sorry, Tiffany. And Tiffany's going.
Tiffany
I'm either, like, silently nodding or I'm not drunk because I hold my liquor like a tanker.
Geneva
Dude, it's incredible.
Tiffany
I don't know where that came from.
Geneva
You never actually. Whatever.
Tiffany
I don't know where that came from.
Geneva
All right. Church announcements.
Tiffany
Yes, Sister Shirley is back outside this week with Fish Fry. We've heard your requests. She heard them. It took us some time, but now she does have chicken out in the parking lot. So put your order in before chicken or fish. She cannot give you both. And make sure you have your silverware, because if you don't got that, she can't give you nothing. A lot of y' all have been asking about Sister Mary. She is doing just fine. We took up a collection for her to have her hip surgery. She's great. She will be back on stage with Worship Team next week, if you can.
Geneva
I love the big crowdfunding.
Tiffany
I know, in the congregation. If you can stop by and give her a good word. Her niece Terry will be taking letters if you want to give one to her. Cousin Trevonte will be joining Worship team this week. He is on the drums. Y' all know he hasn't been playing very long, so if he's offbeat a couple times, keep it going. We rely on y' all to keep the hand clap bass for the song.
Geneva
It's a backhand.
Tiffany
He's in the back, like, dang, I forgot his name.
Geneva
You can tell the pastor didn't want him.
Tiffany
He did not want us. He's just saying it now. I said, pastor, that he should not have been in the group, but we give everybody a chance, so he'll be up there next week. Keep the beat if you can. He will need some help. Y' all can still get tickets to the live show. We did sell out in less than 24 hours. So if you weren't swift, you didn't get your ticket. And that's all right. But we will be selling tickets to the live show. Live show is 15. Now, you can get that. What? What did they say at the link in the bio? You can get that at the link in the bio or caveat NYC to get your tickets to the live stream. Now, we don't want to hear that you can't make it. Cause that's overflow service. So all y' all can make it to overflow if you really want to. And lastly, we'll see y' all there. Come as you are. A single flare lights up, the lights go out in service. Oh, don't worry. We have a flare. Brother Robert brought my dad's in the back, please.
Geneva
Always got him in my car.
Tiffany
I cannot take it. So we'll see y' all soon. Be well. Bye bye. Bye, bye, bye, bye.
Geneva
And remember, we're your girls. Punishment. Cause we're your girls. Hey.
Tiffany
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Geneva
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Date: August 15, 2025
Hosts: Geneva & Tiffany
In this lively and candid episode, best friends Geneva and Tiffany open up about personal decisions, body image, music obsessions, and the behind-the-scenes realities of friendship. The conversation flows from revealing thoughts on plastic surgery, particularly breast augmentation, to an unexpected deep dive into the sex appeal and branding of rock stars like Aerosmith, Prince, and David Bowie. The girls sprinkle in hilarious anecdotes, celebrate their sold-out live show, and engage with their passionate listener community—delivering their signature blend of humor, honesty, and sisterhood.
Tiffany shares her decision to get breast implants, sparking a real conversation about beauty, agency, and transparency around cosmetic surgery.
The social stigma, feminism, and personal responsibility around sharing or concealing cosmetic procedures.
The girls toast to their live show selling out and connect with their fan community, celebrating “Friday vibes” and the global reach of their sisterhood.
An unexpected but hilarious detour as Geneva and Tiffany riff on the appeal of various rock stars, the roots of rock, and the uniqueness of musical branding.
An important segment recognizing the Black origins of American genres like rock and country.
No episode would be complete without their contagious laughter and off-the-cuff scripts.
Unfiltered, friendly, supportive, and frequently hilarious—with plenty of snappy banter and affirming energy. The chemistry is undeniable, and listeners are invited to laugh, reflect, and join the ever-expanding circle of sisterhood.
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