Let's Have a Kiki!

Summary

Podcast Summary: We're Your Girls – Episode: "Let's Have a Kiki!"
Release Date: April 4, 2025
Host: Good Mess Media (Taryn Delaney Smith & Tiffany Singleton)
Guest: Kami Crawford

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1. Welcome and Guest Introduction

The episode kicks off with hosts Taryn Delaney Smith and Tiffany Singleton reintroducing themselves to listeners, expressing their excitement about resuming their alcohol-filled conversations after a coffee-centric previous week. They introduce their special guest, Kami Crawford, a multifaceted personality known for her roles as an icon, legend, host, producer, and model based in New York.

Notable Quote:
[00:27] Tiffany Singleton: "Cause democracy's burning. It's true. We're introducing this week's guest who is an icon, a legend..."

2. Overcoming Imposter Syndrome

Kami Crawford opens up about her struggles with imposter syndrome, particularly during her luteal phases. She shares a candid moment walking to the subway, encountering fans who affirm her impact through her podcast, reinforcing her sense of purpose.

Notable Quotes:
[01:35] Kami Crawford: "Every luteal phase, I'm like, who am I? What am I doing? What's my purpose?"
[02:30] Kami Crawford: "It really isn't like, as I'm doing the work, it is when I meet the people who are paying attention. That's when I know that I'm doing a good job."

3. Navigating the Influencer Industry and Avoiding Getting Played

Tiffany Singleton recounts her early experiences in the influencer space, highlighting how she was naïve and often taken advantage of by brands. She emphasizes the importance of having management to navigate contracts and ensure fair compensation.

Notable Quotes:
[07:04] Tiffany Singleton: "I thought, I'm gonna be rich. I thought, I'm buying a house."
[10:43] Tiffany Singleton: "The first thing she did is I signed with her and she got me out of that contract."

4. Relationships: Monogamy vs. Polyamory

A significant portion of the episode delves into the complexities of modern relationships. The hosts and Kami discuss the nuances between monogamy and polyamory, sharing personal anecdotes and debating the merits and challenges of each. They explore how relationship dynamics evolve from one's 20s to 30s, emphasizing the importance of clear communication and mutual respect.

Notable Quotes:
[34:53] Tiffany Singleton: "What if you. Because I'd be at dinner and I'd counter it and be like..."
[36:17] Kami Crawford: "I am a serial monogamist. And I am."

5. The Challenge of Over-Apologizing Among Women

Kami and the hosts address the gendered tendency to over-apologize, especially in professional settings. They discuss how this habit can undermine one's confidence and assertiveness, offering strategies to reduce unnecessary apologies and foster self-assured communication.

Notable Quotes:
[17:15] Kami Crawford: "We have this tendency to feel like... we're lucky to just be there."
[16:25] Taryn Delaney Smith: "But I learned something in business, which is interesting. People have taken my sorrys as I'm inadequate in some capacity."

6. Courting and Dating in Your 30s

Kami shares her intentional approach to courting and building a meaningful relationship in her 30s. She contrasts her experience with traditional dating norms, highlighting the significance of aligning life goals and mutual support. The discussion includes humorous anecdotes about first dates, setting boundaries, and the importance of intentionality in relationships.

Notable Quotes:
[50:10] Kami Crawford: "Coffee is not a date. I could get coffee with anyone. I could get coffee with my dog."
[57:30] Taryn Delaney Smith: "We were all goofing around at the same damn time."

7. Beauty Standards and Social Media Impact

The conversation shifts to the detrimental effects of social media on self-image and beauty standards. Kami and the hosts reflect on their personal battles with body image, exacerbated by constant exposure to curated online personas. They advocate for self-acceptance and challenge societal expectations, encouraging listeners to prioritize mental and emotional well-being over unrealistic beauty ideals.

Notable Quotes:
[68:01] Tiffany Singleton: "Every night that you go to sleep, you're a step away from being as hot as you could be."
[72:10] Kami Crawford: "If we were ever to be in partnership, just be yourself without obsessing over looks."

8. Conclusion and Final Remarks

As the episode winds down, the hosts and Kami recap their discussions, reiterating the importance of authenticity, intentional relationships, and self-love. They promote upcoming segments, including a smut book club featuring "Quicksilver" by Cali Hart, and encourage listeners to engage with their content across various platforms.

Notable Quotes:
[80:15] Tiffany Singleton: "Love my body...Thanks again to our partners at Soapbox."
[81:10] Tiffany Singleton: "You can also visit Soapbox Co and use code 'We're Your Girls' at checkout for 30% off your order."

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Key Takeaways:

• Imposter Syndrome: Even successful individuals like Kami Crawford experience self-doubt, but recognition from genuine supporters can reinforce their sense of achievement.
• Influencer Industry Challenges: Navigating brand deals requires vigilance and often the support of management to avoid unfair contracts.
• Modern Relationship Dynamics: Clear communication and understanding personal needs are crucial in defining relationship structures, whether monogamous or polyamorous.
• Over-Apologizing: Women are encouraged to reduce unnecessary apologies to bolster confidence and assertiveness in both personal and professional spheres.
• Social Media's Impact: The pressure to conform to beauty standards on social platforms can negatively affect self-esteem, underscoring the need for self-acceptance.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• [01:35] Kami Crawford: "Every luteal phase, I'm like, who am I? What am I doing? What's my purpose?"
• [07:04] Tiffany Singleton: "I thought, I'm gonna be rich. I thought, I'm buying a house."
• [17:15] Kami Crawford: "We have this tendency to feel like... we're lucky to just be there."
• [34:53] Tiffany Singleton: "What if you. Because I'd be at dinner and I'd counter it and be like..."
• [50:10] Kami Crawford: "Coffee is not a date. I could get coffee with anyone. I could get coffee with my dog."
• [68:01] Tiffany Singleton: "Every night that you go to sleep, you're a step away from being as hot as you could be."

This episode of "We're Your Girls" offers a candid exploration of personal growth, relationship dynamics, and the societal pressures women face, all delivered with genuine humor and heartfelt conversation.

Transcript

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

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[Tiffany Singleton]

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[Taryn Delaney Smith]

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[Tiffany Singleton]

Cause we're your girl hey, sound like I do. Happy Friday and welcome back to we're youe Girls.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Hi, guys.

[Tiffany Singleton]

We missed ya so much. So much. And we're drinking this week. Last week you saw us drinking coffee. This week we're back on alcohol. Why? Because democracy's burning. It's true. We're introducing this week's guest who is an icon, a legend, a host, a producer, a model, and all around truly, truly one of my favorite, favorite people, not just in the industry, but living in New York. That is Kami Crawford.

[Kami Crawford]

And I am here. And I am in wig. In fashion, period.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

In wig.

[Kami Crawford]

Thank you.

[Tiffany Singleton]

We have to get right into it. Kami, how does it feel to be the coldest one to ever do it?

[Kami Crawford]

Child, let me tell you something. Yeah, it feels great. No, I'm just kidding. I think I was just talking about this earlier. You know, in life, imposter syndrome can creep up on anybody, for sure. And it creeps up on me.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Really?

[Kami Crawford]

Yes.

[Tiffany Singleton]

No.

[Kami Crawford]

Every once in a while.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

No.

[Kami Crawford]

Every once in a while. Every once in a blue moon. Honestly. Every luteal phase. Every luteal phase, I'm like, who am I? What am I doing? What's my purpose? Who the fuck is listening?

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

And then you start bleeding and everything's fine.

[Kami Crawford]

And then I'm like, this has nothing to do.

[Tiffany Singleton]

My mom calls it the Great Flush.

[Kami Crawford]

And it's. She's correct.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Yeah.

[Kami Crawford]

But I feel very blessed to do what I do. On my way here, I was walking to the subway and like, five girls, five black girls came out of Blank Street Coffee shout out to y'all, period. And they were like, can we please get a picture with you? Like, we love you, we watch you, we listen to the podcast. That is when I know that I'm doing a good job. It really isn't like, as I'm doing the work, it is when I meet the people who are paying attention. Yeah. It's like, you can work as hard as you want. Like, until, for me at least, like, when I feel like it's being recognized in the places that I want it to be recognized. Then I feel like I've done a good job.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I like what you said, focusing on the people that are paying attention. Because I think it's easy in this industry to get distracted by how many people, like, aren't paying attention. And really, it's not that you want attention. It's that you want to be seen.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

You want to be heard, respected.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Respected because you're working hard and you.

[Kami Crawford]

Want people to create. Like, what's the point? Like, if you can have. If Picasso made a thousand paintings and nobody ever saw him, like, did he paint?

[Tiffany Singleton]

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

He still was painting.

[Tiffany Singleton]

He still was painting, and he's still an artist. And so therefore, it's really cool that you say so. Instead, focus on the people that do see you and are painting, because, frankly, they're the most important ones. Everybody listening to the show, thank you so much.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Thank you, guys.

[Tiffany Singleton]

We're so. I'm so grateful. It's just so much fun. And so thank you for touching on that, because it's good to hear, but also incredible to hear that somebody who's literally a model, literally. Ms. Team USA 2010 girl.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Damn near visual perfection personified. Absolutely.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Oh, my gosh.

[Kami Crawford]

But, you know, that was when I was 17. I did my first pageant at 16. Miss Mary Teen USA. Miss Teen USA was my second pageant ever.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

No way.

[Kami Crawford]

I had never watched pageants. I was never like, I did.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I just didn't.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

I didn't know.

[Kami Crawford]

I didn't know what I didn't know. And then I joined, and it was a whirlwind, but that was. I'm 32 now. I don't do math. What is that? How many years? A lot of years. 14, 13 years ago? 12. Somebody listening is like, it's 12. Whatever. You know what I'm talking about. It was many, many moons ago. And so I think it comes down to longevity, the type of person you are. Being a kind person, being a humble person, being about your business, not playing around, not letting people play with you. Yeah. That's how you stay in the game. Because, like, getting in the game is not difficult.

[Tiffany Singleton]

That's hard because I get.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

I get played with, gets tried.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Honestly, I wouldn't say I get played with.

[Kami Crawford]

Who's playing with you?

[Tiffany Singleton]

I get bamboozled. No, I've gotta say that. I want to sit here and be like, I don't play and I don't get played. I frequently get played.

[Kami Crawford]

I play and I get played off the spot. But, you know, I got played, too. I got played, too, in the beginning.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Tell us about you getting played because it's hard to imagine you sitting here.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Getting played because you're the one.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Yeah, not the one.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Actually, you're not the one. You're the coldest one to ever do it.

[Kami Crawford]

Exactly. I, in the beginning of my TV hosting career, I was doing a lot of like, spots on local news. So like lifestyle spots, like what to get your mom for Mother's Day, you know, best outfits for fall, whatever. And that's how I like got my start. And so I would have these brands first. I was picking stuff like out of my own closet and like out of my mom's stuff. I'm like, give me that perfume and give me that sweater because I'm gonna use it on the air tomorrow. And I was using pageant girls that I was recruiting from Facebook. I would like put a message out and be like, I'm gonna be in Connecticut tomorrow at 6am who can meet me?

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Yeah.

[Kami Crawford]

And have girls come. And like, that's how I did it. Had never done that before. I didn't know what I was doing. But like, I would say yes to everything and just like make it work. Figure it out. But in the beginning I started doing it like with my own stuff, but then I started reaching out to brands or brands started reaching out to me and being like, we would love to send you all these products to showcase in your segment. I'm like, oh my God, amazing. Like these brands are reaching out to me. They want to send me product. Like so now I have a literally suitcase full of products that I'm going to take onto the news. I am paying for a rental car so that I can drive to New Haven, Connecticut from Manhattan, which is like a two hour drive. Yeah. I'm waking up at 4:00 in the morning, getting glam, getting ready, going there, doing the whole grind, doing my segment, paying for like my own stuff, like to make sure that I look good and then driving back and I'm doing all this work and I was never getting paid. Not the lack of pay, I was never getting paid. It wasn't even so much that like the network should have paid me because that's not really how that works. But. But the brands should have been paying me.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Yeah, for sure.

[Kami Crawford]

And I did not know. I didn't know and I didn't know to ask. I don't know what you don't know.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

And they would not have told you either.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Would not have told me when I first got started. My manager is in the room, she's going to laugh about this. So When I first got started, I had. I was working at the call center. Okay. And I. You know, my video went viral, and, like, the first brand ever reached out to me. Like, right after I had my first viral video, and I was like, oh, my God. And they were going to pay me three grand to do ten videos. Crazy. And I thought, my blasphemy.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

No.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I thought, I'm gonna be rich.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

I was like, I can quit moving on up, baby.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I thought, I'm buying a house. God damn it. I. I had never seen that much money in my life. I never.

[Kami Crawford]

Oh, my God.

[Tiffany Singleton]

That's a lot of money.

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

And I was getting paid 17 an hour.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Yep.

[Tiffany Singleton]

At a job that I also got played at. I just played left, right, and center. I was a walking doormat.

[Kami Crawford]

Oh, no, you were the game.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

You weren't getting played. You were the game.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I look like Mr. Monopoly walking around. Hello. I was a damn fool. My nickname was Uno. I got played more than anybody. And so I was like, oh, my God, three grand. And I remember this brand. I shall not name names. They are a huge brand. Who knows better?

[Kami Crawford]

And that's the thing they do, you know, they know.

[Tiffany Singleton]

They knew that I didn't have management. I'm gonna talk to you right now.

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah, you and me. Because we've since reached you.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Exactly.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Me and you, we're gonna talk. Just you and me, one month. You know, I didn't have management. You know I didn't know what I was doing. And you know that that was not a fair rate for what you had asked for. Now, maybe for one video, because I was a smaller creator. Fine. 10 and 10 is better than. And you had rights in perpetuity. You had. You got to use my image forever. But guess what? I did. Everybody, not that you said, send me the contract, signed it right away. It's giving Ariel, when she was like, yes. Just your voice. And she, like, signed it.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

She was like, ah, I'm drowning.

[Tiffany Singleton]

They sent her up to Earth. She couldn't walk. She could barely use her new legs.

[Kami Crawford]

The crazy part is that 3k was not tax free, and it was not tax free.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

They was taxing you, too.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I was taxing me, too. And so I was just aerial, couldn't talk, didn't know where the capsule was for $1,500.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

That's crazy.

[Tiffany Singleton]

So anyway, I signed this deal. They sent me over this form where they wanted me to fill in 10 scripts. This is a ton of work if you are a creator, you know, they wanted me to write full 10 scripts for you in, in use. I mean this is. If you're listening now granted, I'm not gonna sit here and be like 3,000 is nothing. That's a lot of money. Yeah, sure, especially to me at the time that was a ton of money. But for the amount of work they were asking for and the use of my, my name and likeness in perpetuity means forever.

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

That means that even now, this was years ago, they could have reran those ads at the same rate. And that's just not good business.

[Kami Crawford]

And just for scale, the influencer that you love the most would have been getting paid in the millions for content like that. For 10 videos.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Videos, I might be the influencer you love the most. I've never paid millions.

[Kami Crawford]

I'm talking about, you know, the top influencers that, you know, the top beauty girls, the top lifestyle girls in the millions. First of all, I don't think there are teams with even agree unless it was like a partnership. Like a full on partnership that came with like, yeah, 10 videos.

[Tiffany Singleton]

That's like, it's a full campaign and that's a ton of stuff. And that's me endorsing a product. A product for basically forever. And so I didn't know any of this. I was so naive. And so I met my manager for coffee and we got talking, who is now my manager. But she was at the time just a really lovely woman who had a feeling I was in over my head. And then she realized very quickly I was. And at the end of the coffee date I was like, well, I'll think about it. Because she said, I really think that you can do this full time. I think that you could do this for a living. And I was like, I don't know, I'm up for promotion at the call center. I don't know. And, and then I, by the, on the way out I was like, and by the way, if you want to like peruse a contract I just signed, I think that might be cool. And I sent it to her and she said, please tell me you didn't sign this.

[Kami Crawford]

And I was like, had you signed it DocuSign?

[Tiffany Singleton]

Does DocuSign count send? Yeah, I'd signed it. I signed it the moment I got it.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

So I'm assuming shows is like.

[Tiffany Singleton]

So the first thing she did is I signed with her and she got me out of that contract. It was the first thing that she did. I'm canceling that contract.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Yeah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

And I didn't want her to.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Yeah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Because I was like, I. Are you sure that this is a ton of money. And I don't want. I don't want anybody else. I was really scared in the beginning. I said this a lot. I don't want anyone to be mad at me.

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I didn't want to let anyone down. I don't want anyone to think badly of me. And I had to learn really quickly is. In the business world, to be frank, they're not thinking about you at all. They're not thinking about your. Your moral character or who you are, how you are. You are.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

You fit a brief for a very specific amount for.

[Tiffany Singleton]

And. And.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

And it's not as nefarious as it sounds, I don't think. It's not nefarious to say you feel free business. But it. Yeah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

It's just every transaction that we did every week was super emotional. We could never get anything done.

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

So anyways. Yeah. It's just interesting how much you learn. And. Oh, man. It's like, embarrassed. I look back and I. Sometimes I get embarrassed, but I'm not embarrassed because I didn't know any better.

[Kami Crawford]

No, it is what it is. And guess what? That 3k plus more check came in later.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

It did.

[Tiffany Singleton]

It did. It did. In far more fair terms.

[Kami Crawford]

Yes, exactly.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

So before we go any further, we have to toast to that. To 3K and more.

[Kami Crawford]

3.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Wait, hold on, guys. We can't toast that.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Why?

[Tiffany Singleton]

I don't think it's a good idea.

[Kami Crawford]

3 billion to 3 billion more. Why not?

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Fine.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Please.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

The one toast I propose is shot. The now.

[Kami Crawford]

I don't like the.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Cheers to money. I don't think that's anything.

[Kami Crawford]

Cheers to money.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Amen to that.

[Kami Crawford]

And lots.

[Tiffany Singleton]

All right.

[Kami Crawford]

We're everybody who wants a little money. Why not? Listen, everybody else is getting their coin. I'm gonna get mine. Okay.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Come on.

[Kami Crawford]

I'm going to get mine.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

I need to start a notebook of all the gems you are no doubt drop on us.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I know, Cammie. I'm so ready. On that note, we want to talk to Cammie now. Cammie, you are absolutely the relationship expert. You have a whole show called Relationship.

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I'm sure you've heard of it. But if you haven't, please go check. Go check it out.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Give it a listen.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I was on an episode.

[Kami Crawford]

Yes, you were.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Except for I did notice. Just kidding.

[Kami Crawford]

Oh, my God. What now?

[Tiffany Singleton]

While you're here, I was gonna say I got your brief from your team. Fabulous. And it was. It was just, like, talking about you and, like, your business, how great you are. And then it said. And it was like her show relationship has featured notable people. Like.

[Kami Crawford]

Yes.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Ashley Tis. It was like this list of people. I didn't make the list.

[Kami Crawford]

Okay. But you know what? I didn't write the brief. And that's why. And that's why you have to do everything yourself.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I sat there and I thought, you're too.

[Kami Crawford]

Yes. Yeah. Okay. Don't worry. Somebody will be getting a stern email.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I guess I just didn't. Haven't quite made it.

[Kami Crawford]

Someone will be getting a stern email after this.

[Tiffany Singleton]

A stern email.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

A stern one.

[Kami Crawford]

I'm the queen of a stern email these days.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Are you?

[Kami Crawford]

I used to. I'm tired of putting Pussyfooting around the bush.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Damn it, Cami. I'm gonna learn so fucking much.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I'm renaming the show no more Pussyfooting around the Bush. Not fired Brazilian Wax that.

[Kami Crawford]

I'm sick of it. I feel as millennials.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Yeah.

[Kami Crawford]

I'm speaking for all of us.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Right. Semi.

[Kami Crawford]

There's somebody.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Gen Z, she's younger than both of us.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Don't call me out.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Sorry.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

I'm 27.

[Kami Crawford]

Gen Z ers speak up for themselves. And millennials can learn something from that.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Love that.

[Kami Crawford]

Because as a 32 year old millennial, the whole, like, apologizing thing, I'm over it. The whole, I'm so sorry. I didn't like. Yes, in certain situations you can apologize.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Yeah.

[Kami Crawford]

But in others, like, I actually think I sent this already. Bitch. You know you sent it already and you know that you got it. I sent it Last week at 10:20am Got my receipt. PST period. Where's my response? Like, and. And then you get an email back from someone and they're like, oh, we never received that.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

I think I actually sent it last week.

[Kami Crawford]

No, I sent it last week. At this time. Please let me know if you have any trouble opening it. Yeah, please let me know if you haven't received it yet. I'm just. I'm getting to the point in my life where I think we. I just need to be more direct. Like, I. I value that and other people are doing that.

[Tiffany Singleton]

And I'm so annoyed with myself all the time because I'm so in the clutches. I'm trying to get out of it, but I certainly am. I'll just admit it here I am so still conditioned to make sure everybody thinks I'm nice.

[Kami Crawford]

Yes.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Like, that's. Being nice is still so important to me.

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

And I think there's a difference between valuing kindness and being good to people, but not letting yourself get. You know, I don't Say, walked over. I don't. Walking outside and getting walked all over. But at the same time, like, I went to the eye doctor last week, and I noticed in that single appointment, I apologized to the doctor like nine times because I'm really bad at the eye doctor. I don't like people touch my eyes. But there was just so many times when I. I said, where do I sit? And he said, oh, just there. And I looked and I noticed that I just missed the chair. I'm nervous. And I said, I'm sorry. And I sat down. And then he goes, oh, you have contacts on. And I said, yes. And then he said, can you. How about you go take those out over there? And I said, oh, I'm. I'm so sorry. And he was like, did anyone tell you to take them off? And I said, no. And he was like, well, then why are you sorry? And then when somebody says, why are you sorry? Now you've tongue twisted.

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah, I hate it.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Because then I'm like. And then I said. He said, why are you sorry? And I said, I'm sorry. I don't know why I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. And then I was like, I've apologized to you. On my way out the door, I said, I'm sorry to the janitor, to the front desk girl, I said I'm sorry. Literally to the lady sitting in a lobby, I said, I'm sorry I took so long. I've never been around here waiting. And she said, who are you?

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah. She's like, talk to me.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I said, I'm so sorry. And I just get into. And I. And I hate that. I don't think it's cute. I actually don't think that it's. I don't necessarily serving you in any way. It's not serving me or anyone else.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

But I learned something in business, which is interesting. People have taken my sorrys is I'm inadequate in some capacity. So I'm learning by trial by fire, essentially, to stop apologizing for everything because people don't like it.

[Kami Crawford]

Yes.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

And I apologize because I'm like, you.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Know, they don't like it.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

I feel like people do not like to be held accountable for things that they don't need to be held accountable for. Or like, I'm. No, I said it backwards. Yes. I'm holding myself accountable for something they didn't do to me. So I learned in business, or I'm learning in business. They're like, why are you apologizing? All you did was interrupt me during A zoom call. And I'm like, I'm sorry. I. You were, you were talking and I over talked and they're like, you didn't.

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Now we're all uncomfortable because I'd have made you feel like, now I'm anxious.

[Kami Crawford]

Okay. Look at the camera right now I feel bad.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Correct.

[Tiffany Singleton]

To anyone. I've said I'm sorry too.

[Kami Crawford]

I'm sorry. I'm so sorry.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I am so sorry.

[Kami Crawford]

My bad.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I apologize in a way that I'm sorry.

[Kami Crawford]

But it's a layered thing because it's a woman thing for sure. For one on a base level. And that's a woman of color thing. A black woman thing.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Speak on it.

[Kami Crawford]

Like, we have this tendency to feel like. And I, I am saying this about myself as well, that we're lucky to just be there. Like, I'm lucky to just be in the room. And so while I'm here, I need to be as kind as I can be to every single person here. I need to make it a, a thing that like, you will want me back.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Yeah.

[Kami Crawford]

Because if I do one wrong thing, if I say one wrong thing, if I speak up for myself one time, who's to say, you may say that. Never have her back here again. Yeah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Like, and then you hear these stories of these huge folks that are, you know, awful in like on the exact opposite. They're not saying sorry for things they should be sorry for.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Exactly.

[Tiffany Singleton]

And that's. They're not thinking about it. I don't think that's any excuse. I think you should treat people well. Everyone I know in this room agrees you treat people well, you treat people with respect. But that does not necessarily translate to I'm sorry all the time or I'm not sure. Maybe it's kind of a good idea. Maybe I might kind of know how to do this next part if you guys might listen to me. That language, I can't stand when I hear it come out of my mouth.

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

And I'm really trying to stop, but it's really hard.

[Kami Crawford]

It's a, it's an active pursuit.

[Tiffany Singleton]

It is.

[Kami Crawford]

For myself included.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Yeah. What does that journey look like for you? Like in having your own business? What does that look like? Getting to where you are now? The fearless bad ass that we all know.

[Kami Crawford]

Honestly, this has been a radical year long pursuit of mine. Like, this has only been in the past year that I've been like, fuck that. Like, why am I doing that constantly? Why am I apologizing in advance for? Like, I know what kind of work I Produce. I know who I am. I know what I bring to the table. I don't need to apologize to you. I. I feel like if you'll do it in business, you'll do it in relationships, you'll do it in friendships, you'll do it with your family, you'll do it to yourself. And I was just like, I have to stop this. But that's honestly what it looks like, is just being active about it and like hitting that delete button. Backspace, backspace, backspace. When I know that I'm writing an email that has what I have labeled as weak language. I don't use weak language anymore. Anymore.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Good for you. And one thing I love about you, Cammie, that I. That you do it so well. You do it so well. One thing I've noticed is you stand up for yourself a lot, especially on social media. You are clap back queen. You will say. You will clap right back and say, you're wrong. That's inappropriate.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Repost people's comments on the story and you leave their profile pictures so everybody can see who it is.

[Kami Crawford]

You know, sometimes I say, should I post this? And then I do it anyway because sometimes it really is better to not. Sometimes you can protect your peace. But I feel like I have protected my peace for long enough. I used to be like, quick, like, quick, fast. In a hurry. I would check somebody and then I was like, okay, now I have more of a public Persona. One thing that I say can be put in a People magazine article tomorrow. So, like, maybe I don't, but fuck that. You came into my space still, but.

[Tiffany Singleton]

You still, like, say what you mean and you mean what you say.

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

And that's really, really cool. Do you ever find yourself getting, we're talking about that self doubt imposter syndrome. Do you ever have a little voice that comes in and, and makes you, you know, want to make yourself smaller? Hide away? And how do you combat that?

[Kami Crawford]

Like on social media specifically?

[Tiffany Singleton]

Just when it comes to being a public facing person, I think I'm more.

[Kami Crawford]

Private now than I ever was before. I used to share everything, every opinion, every. But like I said, I realized that, like, anything that I say can be used somewhere else now. Or like I'll be on a red carpet and an interviewer will be like, so we saw that you posted about getting strep in your butthole. Would love to talk about that with you now while I'm in this lovely gown. Like, yes, I had strep in my butthole. Yes, I did, because I ate street Meat in New York. Don't do it.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Wait, I didn't even know that you could. I eat it at least three times.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

The strap in the butthole.

[Kami Crawford]

Strep in your butt.

[Tiffany Singleton]

What are you talking about?

[Kami Crawford]

Strep A in your butt, girl, the strep you get in your throat, you can get in your butt.

[Tiffany Singleton]

How did. How did it feel?

[Kami Crawford]

The worst experience degrading your butthole was hurting? Sure. Do you really want to know? Yeah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Because I eat halal. I eat street meat all the time.

[Kami Crawford]

It's not halal. It was, you know the chicken on a stick that they put in a hot dog bun with the hot sauce? Yeah. That's what I had.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Damn.

[Kami Crawford]

It was delicious. I was feeling nostalgic. One day I was walking back to my apartment from Time Square and I had chicken on a stick. And it was around time when I started dating a new guy. And I didn't know what gonorrhea was, but I assumed that that's what he gave me. It hurt, but I don't think gonorrhea comes out your butt.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I know.

[Kami Crawford]

I think I was ill informed, but I was also like 24, so what did I know? Anyway, love it.

[Tiffany Singleton]

What were you doing that you thought it was in your butthole?

[Kami Crawford]

Well, that's the thing. And we weren't doing anything in the butthole, so I was really like, why.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Does my butthole burn?

[Tiffany Singleton]

What was he doing?

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Why am I burning?

[Kami Crawford]

For some reason, gonorrhea and diarrhea sound, like very similar to me. So I was like, oh, they are. Anyway, long story short, you don't actually produce any, like, shit. It's just blood and mucus and it's very, very painful. And it feels like knives coming out of your butthole. So I'd have a colonoscopy at 24. That's the long story short of that. But these are things that people are asking me about because I talk about them, because I've said it. I've posted it. Like, okay, maybe I don't talk about that. Maybe I leave some things to the imagination.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Yeah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Wow.

[Kami Crawford]

You know, on that note. Yes.

[Tiffany Singleton]

So you were dating a guy at 24, et cetera. How has dating changed for you? Be from your 20s into your 30s.

[Kami Crawford]

Long drive.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Light it, sis. Smoke it.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Oh, yeah.

[Kami Crawford]

The frontal lobe is a real thing.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Yeah.

[Kami Crawford]

When that cracks open, you can't unsee.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

It's like Pandora's box.

[Kami Crawford]

It is very, very eye openening. The things that I thought were important in my 20s as far as a relationship are not the things that were on my list when I was looking for my next relationship in my 30s.

[Tiffany Singleton]

What's the biggest one that is now on the list? And it just wasn't on your mind before?

[Kami Crawford]

I have always been a very independent person. Like, having someone in my space all the time was never something that I cared about. Like, I would rather you actually be gone. I grew up with my dad traveling for work all the time, and that was just, like, the way that it was. So having, like, a male presence around all the time wasn't, like, a necessary thing for me. And by the time I turned 29, that was when I met my now boyfriend. I was like, actually, like, as much as I. I am independent and, like, all those things are true. I want somebody. I want a leader. Like, I want a man who's going to lead me somewhere, who has a plan for our future, who, like, knows what I need without me having to say it, period. Yeah. You know?

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Yeah.

[Kami Crawford]

And in the 20s, like, I didn't give a. About that. Like, okay, like, why are you telling me what to do?

[Tiffany Singleton]

You're like, I can lead me.

[Kami Crawford]

I'm on a jet. I'm going somewhere.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Yeah, you may come if you want.

[Kami Crawford]

You can come if you want. I don't really care. Like, I. I didn't really. I wasn't thinking that way.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Kami Crawford]

And then.

[Tiffany Singleton]

So a man that is able to.

[Kami Crawford]

Lead, a man that is able to leave.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Was there like a canon life event that you think changed your mind in that regard, or did it just come over time?

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Oh, girl.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Was it the strap in your.

[Kami Crawford]

Honestly, it should have been that. It should have been that. But my frontal lobe hadn't opened at that point.

[Tiffany Singleton]

So at that time, you were, like, strapping the. It's just life.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

The water off the.

[Tiffany Singleton]

That's Wednesday, just another Tuesday. You took the jolly right out of my little mouth. Who cares?

[Kami Crawford]

It was. It was being in not just one, but several relationships where, like, I was the leader. Like, I was making the decisions. I was being the one. Like, okay, like, what's the next plan? Like, where are we going? And almost, like, anxious that they weren't going to do the thing that they promised, you know? And I had to grow out of that. I had to meet also a person for the first time. Who was that person?

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Yeah.

[Kami Crawford]

I had never met a guy like that before. Like, what, you got plans for me?

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Like, you're obsessed with me.

[Kami Crawford]

Like, what I had. I had never encountered that before, that kind of energy. And so, yeah, it was just. It really Changed my perspective because I was like, actually, like, I'm not like, yes, I am independent, but like, I'm not a. I don't need a man type of girl.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Like, do I really need to do it all?

[Kami Crawford]

No, I don't have to do anything actually.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Yeah.

[Kami Crawford]

It's so nice. I don't have to lift a finger.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Yeah. Like, the question is, am I more empowered by allowing someone to help me or am I empowered by doing it all myself?

[Kami Crawford]

Exactly.

[Tiffany Singleton]

And that's.

[Kami Crawford]

Ooh.

[Tiffany Singleton]

And that is the idea. I wonder if doing it all yourself, that empowerment is sort of a faux.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Yeah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Sense of safety. Because it's, it's more so I love knowing that I can do it all myself if I had to. I'm not frightened of the idea of that.

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I don't want to.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

I don't want to.

[Tiffany Singleton]

And I love, like, people. Oh. People come at me all the time online because I don't cook. Everybody. I can't believe you don't cook. You have a husband, you don't cook. One girl messaged me, I posted a video of my husband cooking something and she messaged me, send him my way and I'll show him a good home cooked meal.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

That is the dirty.

[Kami Crawford]

Is that so?

[Tiffany Singleton]

I've never blocked anyone with such.

[Kami Crawford]

I would like to see you try it.

[Tiffany Singleton]

The hastiest block.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

I love the two different. I would like to see you try. And you're like, I've never blocked someone with such stuff.

[Kami Crawford]

I would love to see it. See, that's when I would respond.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

I'm somewhere in between. I'm like, try it. Hea. But then I block her afterwards.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I immediately called you like, like, how dare you?

[Kami Crawford]

Is it 1943?

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Like you can cook for him. I guess you want like the.

[Tiffany Singleton]

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[Taryn Delaney Smith]

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[Tiffany Singleton]

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[Taryn Delaney Smith]

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[Tiffany Singleton]

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[Taryn Delaney Smith]

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[Tiffany Singleton]

I'm going to listen. I want you guys to listen to this. I just took the top off. Hold on. Have a nice listen to this. I'm going to take the top off. Smells good.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

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[Tiffany Singleton]

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[Tiffany Singleton]

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[Taryn Delaney Smith]

You can also visit Soapbox Co and use code. Were your girls at checkout? 30 off, one per customer. And it's active through the end of the year. It was interesting, I was having this discussion with my mom because my mom is in her 40s and single and she grew, grew up fast. Like she had kids young, had to raise my sister and I by herself, whole thing. And now she's in the phase of her life where she wants male companionship, but she also wants someone to take care of her. And so on one hand I hear that and I'm like, I hate that for you, diva. Like, you worked so hard to get everything that you have by yourself. Why? Oh, but would you want to invite a man into that? But then her.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I love that for you.

[Kami Crawford]

Correct.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

So now I'm growing and seeing like, duh. She deserves that. That lady has worked hard her whole life. Like allowing a man to come in and like, say, get some wine, put your feet up, I got you for dinner, yo. Nothing wrong with that.

[Tiffany Singleton]

You know, it's funny, when I was getting married, I had this silent fear that my mom, I have a single. I grew up with a single mom who's like the shit. And she has been single my whole life. Like, I've never, my mom, my mom never remarried or Anything. And she did such a good job. Like she is so good at being independent. She makes it look easy.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Same.

[Kami Crawford]

She's.

[Tiffany Singleton]

She's the one. And I. There was this little voice that. And I finally voiced it to my mom. I said, I feel like I'm letting you down. Like, almost like, ah. That I'm giving in to a societal standard that you have done so well at showing us all you don't need.

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

And my mom was like, darren, I don't want this. She was like, I am so happy every day that my children have found good partners. And she was like, I've always wanted that for you to have a partner. She goes, I don't want you to do this by yourself.

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

She was like. She goes, I had to do it by myself and I can. And she goes, and I know you can. That doesn't mean I want you to.

[Kami Crawford]

Yes.

[Tiffany Singleton]

And I was like, wow.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

It's an unlock.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Because we are.

[Kami Crawford]

We're meant to have partners. Like whatever that looks in a village. A village. Whether it's friendship, whether it's, you know, a close sibling relationship. We're meant to cohabitate and coexist with each other.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Yeah.

[Kami Crawford]

And I.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Not everyone is meant to get married, but I think everybody is meant to be in a.

[Kami Crawford]

In a pack with somebody. Yeah, somebody. I'm not saying it's got to be a man. Listen, I wouldn't recommend most men to anybody, so don't worry. But we are meant to be in existence.

[Tiffany Singleton]

There's a lid to every pot baby there.

[Kami Crawford]

And my mom says every cheese has its cracker. Even if it's a moldy cheese. Even if it's a moldy cheese. And she's not wrong. But I also like my. My boyfriend, which I. It's weird calling him my boyfriend because I call him my husband at home, but I can't give him that kind of promotion without the proper confidence.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Husband.

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah, my husband. My husband.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Friend.

[Kami Crawford]

Yes, exactly. Soon come. Soon come. Yeah. I have never, like I said, been a person who likes people like a man in my space for extended period of time.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Don't piss me off.

[Kami Crawford]

But when he's gone, I'm so sad.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Oh.

[Kami Crawford]

Oh, I am so sad. And I was like. But it tripped me out because I was like, is this codependency? Cuz if it is, I need to break this shit right now. Yeah. And then I was like, no, I just really with you. Like, I know I rock with you. I enjoy your company.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Like in the same way, like it alarms me when we're not. I haven't seen you in a while. Oh, I'm breath.

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah, I think.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

I think we border on codependent.

[Kami Crawford]

Y. Well, that's different. I'm down to be codependent with my girls.

[Tiffany Singleton]

But your girls grieve your your loss. I'm like, where is she at?

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

We live in the Same damn city, 20 minutes away from each other.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I saw the middle of the night in la and I tracked her location and she wasn't at home. So I called her.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

And I have to tell this story because this was funny or tell the story?

[Kami Crawford]

What did I say?

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Taryn and I never go to Brooklyn ever. It's just a given. We don't cross the bridge.

[Kami Crawford]

I don't blame you.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Any surprise.

[Kami Crawford]

I don't blame you.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

As soon as I crossed, I was with my man. I crossed the bridge and I'm like, I have a feeling Taryn is gonna call me. Cause she is likely tracking me.

[Tiffany Singleton]

And she's 1am in a room.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

I can see that I'm Brooklyn, it's late.

[Kami Crawford]

She said, what the hell hell are you doing across state lines?

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

I kid you not. 30 seconds later, she calls. And he's like, who is it? I believe it's Taryn. And I'm like, it actually is. He lost his mind. He thought it was the funniest thing. I answered the phone crying. I'm like, you'll never believe what.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I'm laughing and I'm silent on the other end.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Now, if a man did this to.

[Kami Crawford]

Me, yeah, I'd be angry.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Yeah, that's weird.

[Kami Crawford]

Cause why are you attracting me?

[Tiffany Singleton]

But for me, you're headed to Atlantis. And he didn't think to forbidden. What are you doing there?

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

What's going on?

[Kami Crawford]

No, literally.

[Tiffany Singleton]

What the hell?

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

So, in essence, these rules don't apply to women, to our female relationship.

[Kami Crawford]

No, no, no.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I'm gonna write that it's on that note. Oh, talking about relationships. Hot takes. I have so many questions about this. I want to know and I want to specifically know. I'm just dying to ask her.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Go.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Okay, Cami. This has been a topic around me and Tiffany. Me and Tiffany been talking about this over drinks many a time, and I.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

It's come up a lot and tell.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Me and I think it's so interesting. And I think it's something that's unique to. In your later 20s and in your 30s, what is your thoughts on monogamy versus polyamory?

[Kami Crawford]

Let me tell you something, girl.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Strapped in.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Strapped in the asshole. It's about speak. I'M sorry. I promise I won't call you that again. I'm sorry.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Did you.

[Kami Crawford]

Whoa, whoa.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Let me tell you something.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Tell us, please.

[Kami Crawford]

You can call me that anytime. That's my sister. Called me strap ass all the time. They're so rude anyway.

[Tiffany Singleton]

All right. Strep ass.

[Kami Crawford]

They do say that.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Take it away.

[Kami Crawford]

They're so rude. That's what I'm saying. You know what? Maybe we're not meant to be in partnership with everybody like them. Oh, damn.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Sister code does not apply.

[Kami Crawford]

Sister code is.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

It's something else.

[Kami Crawford]

I am a one man type of gal. I don't listen even when dating. I can't possibly because I'm the type of person. Like, when I met my man, first of all, he was the first person that I matched with on Raya, period. My first day on the app.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Wow.

[Kami Crawford]

We went on our first date the following day.

[Tiffany Singleton]

She's a one hit one.

[Kami Crawford]

And I was like, that is my husband.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

That's my man.

[Kami Crawford]

That's it. Hey.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Hey.

[Kami Crawford]

So. And I did. Obviously, I'm not crazy. I stayed on the app until we became official to just, you know, be like, well, I love you to my husband.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

You're not off the market until you're.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Talking the right one.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Yeah.

[Kami Crawford]

Period.

[Tiffany Singleton]

You know?

[Kami Crawford]

You know, I'm a serial monogamist.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Yeah.

[Kami Crawford]

And I am.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I get it.

[Kami Crawford]

Just, I can't like dating. To me, it's either I want to go on a date with you, or I don't want to go on a date with you. I match with some other people and, like, they had asked me about going on dates, but, like, in my heart, I knew this man is my man. So why am I going on a date with you?

[Tiffany Singleton]

Yeah.

[Kami Crawford]

So I never went on any other date. He was the only date that I went on in the few months that I was on the app. Yeah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Have you ever had a partner that was like, would you be. What if. What do you think about us opening this up?

[Kami Crawford]

No, but you know what? It's no Tino Shade to anybody who wants to do it. Live your life. I was talking to my friends about threesomes, and I feel that threesomes are reserved for people, for me, personally, that you're not in a relationship with. I've never had a threesome. Why? Because I'm greedy. I'm a Scorpio.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

No, that's right.

[Kami Crawford]

What the fuck are you doing over there with her?

[Tiffany Singleton]

I know myself so well. Get the moment his eyes been looking at someone else.

[Kami Crawford]

I'd be like, no, literally it's like.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

That episode of Sex and the City.

[Kami Crawford]

When Samantha grabbed the wig.

[Tiffany Singleton]

So what are you looking at?

[Kami Crawford]

Literally me. I said that I was like, I feel like I would be.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Don't look at her, look at me.

[Kami Crawford]

Even if it wasn't my man, like, I feel like I would be like, so down in the moment. Like, oh, yeah, we're going together.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Yeah.

[Kami Crawford]

Yes. Because the other side of the Scorpio of me is like, yes. Sexy time, purr.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Sexy time purr.

[Kami Crawford]

But here's the thing. I am painfully straight. Like, but I do like lesbian porn. I think lesbian porn is better than straight porn.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Kimmy's so much to talk about. Because in my new little friend group, the girlies are saying, like, that's the better porn to watch. Like traditional porn because it's more like romance and girly syndrome.

[Kami Crawford]

It's like ethical.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

They're not like, it's based in passion.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Wow, this is crazy because the titles.

[Kami Crawford]

On straight porn are crazy. Why do I want to watch Stepdaughter Gets Banged by Stepdaughter.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

What was the book that I just came across? It was like Affair with Bestie's dad with a four year old man on.

[Tiffany Singleton]

The COVID Oh, that's.

[Kami Crawford]

I don't want to say that I.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Know a man wrote that who put it on.

[Tiffany Singleton]

What the fuck?

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Take it.

[Kami Crawford]

I'm sorry. I would rather the lesbian porn. Yes. Like, that's a new way of sensual loving. And I'm not trying to be her on her, but like, whatever.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

But I'd much rather watch her on her than him getting his rocks off.

[Kami Crawford]

Than him with his stepchild.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

That's so weird.

[Kami Crawford]

Or like step.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I'm done. We're not gonna talk. No, it's weird.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

It's definitely frustrating.

[Tiffany Singleton]

There's something so perverse about that. Whereas I feel like it was just like, too masseuse.

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah. Yes.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

To Mazeus on the Zoo.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Written by Dr. Seuss.

[Kami Crawford]

Yes. That sounds lovely to me.

[Tiffany Singleton]

The other.

[Kami Crawford]

We can't do Gang bang Bukkake bonanza. What?

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Cream pie.

[Kami Crawford]

Extravagant cooking it. I don't.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Squeaky hole.

[Kami Crawford]

Lick it. Are you kidding me? It makes me. I'm like, this is perverse. This is perverse.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I can't even put my wig.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

I'll take the masseuse, thank you. Click, please by doc.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Masseuse.

[Kami Crawford]

Click. Thank you.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Oh, the hoes that you will know.

[Kami Crawford]

It's too much. It's too much. So anyway.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Wow, this was.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

I don't even know how I got.

[Kami Crawford]

On that valid, but.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Oh, shit.

[Kami Crawford]

Oh, yeah. The Threesomes.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Yeah. We do a wraparound around this back. A full twist about we've got gang bang bonanza.

[Kami Crawford]

That's sick.

[Tiffany Singleton]

In my marriage, we have always been monogamous. It's never been on the table to open up the marriage. But for folks that I know, for girls that I've talked to, where it came up in their marriage, it was always on the assumption on the man's part that when he says open up the marriage, he means bring a girl on to it.

[Kami Crawford]

Right.

[Tiffany Singleton]

And I'm always like, what if you. Because I'd be at dinner and I'd counter it and be like, all right, so what about we bring it?

[Kami Crawford]

And then they say no.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Yeah.

[Kami Crawford]

So like, if we can't have it both ways, then I can't have a single way.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Which brings up. It's so interesting dating. Now it has to be a question in the beginning. Are you going to be open to this? Eventually, yes. Because you don't want to be caught by surprise. And I know too many people now that are being caught by surprise.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Like, is that when I want to bring it back? Is that conversation, though, unique to dating in your late 20s and 30s? Because when I was. I mean, the last time I went on a date, I was like 19 years old, but that was never like on the table. Is that.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Was that just a thing back then to these times? Yeah, I think very specifically in the year 2025, people are more open and fluid than ever. And so it's not to demonize the fact that open the relationship, but it's the possibility that one day someone could be open to it.

[Tiffany Singleton]

And let's acknowledge that for some people, that. And I recognize that for some people probably listening, this works for them.

[Kami Crawford]

You should be able to do whatever you want to do as long as it's consensual.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

And it ain't.

[Kami Crawford]

As for me, I'm not trying to end up in a federal penitentiary because I beat a bitch ass and I killed you.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Yeah.

[Kami Crawford]

So.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Because now I gotta go to jail.

[Kami Crawford]

Now I gotta go to jail because it was a fun, goofy night.

[Tiffany Singleton]

It was.

[Kami Crawford]

And now I'm in prison.

[Tiffany Singleton]

It was a fun, goofy night.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Kill me.

[Kami Crawford]

That's what would happen to me.

[Tiffany Singleton]

We were all goofing around at the same damn time.

[Kami Crawford]

Next thing I know, I'm shooting you.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Now I'm in prison. Oh, shit.

[Kami Crawford]

Wait.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I would be your lawyer so fast, your honor. She was just having a goofy night.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

She was goofy.

[Kami Crawford]

I was just having a goofy night.

[Tiffany Singleton]

We were being silly.

[Kami Crawford]

Don't put Me on the stand.

[Tiffany Singleton]

We were a gaggle of silly geese.

[Kami Crawford]

They're gonna be like, ma'am, did you consent to this? Well, yes, I sure did. But you killed him. Well, yes, I did.

[Tiffany Singleton]

And then Willow with the perfect double Ds.

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

And I got really mad and I.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Had to take her out.

[Kami Crawford]

Cause it's upsetting. Yeah, it's upsetting.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Yeah.

[Kami Crawford]

But I know that it is common. Like, I was just listening to a podcast recently where this girl was saying. I don't know if you guys have heard this.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Probably haven't heard it.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Gang bang.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Banana cream pie.

[Kami Crawford]

Extravagant. That every year during Memorial Day, she sucks her best friend's boyfriend's dick.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Ha. Everyone needs to stop talking.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Who said this?

[Kami Crawford]

This girl.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Who is Cammie?

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

This girl. I can't stand you. I wanna be really, really clear.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Why Memorial Day?

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Because that's for the ones who have died in memoriams. What now? I need background. Why would she tell the world this?

[Kami Crawford]

Because.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Taps.

[Kami Crawford]

How dare you.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Taps is playing somewhere in the background and you're.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

You're choking somewhere.

[Kami Crawford]

Every year they're in Nantucket. Oh.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Well, then why didn't you start with that?

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Because now we know.

[Kami Crawford]

Now we know.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Swinger City.

[Kami Crawford]

That's where the apple juice is. That is it, girl.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

We go out east and swing.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I'm kidding. I didn't know that.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Oh, see, I'm getting in on the ships. I hate to know.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Is it the Hamptons, you mean?

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Girl, people go out east and swing. Whether you're on the Vineyard, the Hamptons. Tuck it.

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

That's where you go to have a good time. Palm beach, it's all the same.

[Kami Crawford]

It's all the rage.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I gotta lay down.

[Kami Crawford]

That's what she said. She said that every year, Memorial Day on the show. Yes.

[Tiffany Singleton]

She, like, let her identity be known.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Yes, that is.

[Kami Crawford]

And everybody knows. And said the friend's name. So everybody knew the friend.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Let's go back. It's her best friend's man, her best.

[Kami Crawford]

Friend'S boyfriend, her best friend of her best friend of her whole life, and her boyfriend of four years.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Wow.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

That is cuckoo.

[Kami Crawford]

She said that she wanted to see how her best friend, because she had never seen her before. I'm like, well, I don't need to know.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I mean, I love you, but fabulous.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

What can I say?

[Tiffany Singleton]

I'm going. I'm a whole uncle. I'm going over the assumption that you're the coldest one to ever do.

[Kami Crawford]

I'm going to assume that you are swinging from chandeliers and pretty Proud.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I'm sorry that if I was in.

[Kami Crawford]

The room, I would be cheering you on. However, I don't desire to.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Need not confirm.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I don't want to know.

[Kami Crawford]

But she said this. She. Yeah. And that the friend doesn't like sucking dick. So she told her, you know, you can.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

I will step in.

[Kami Crawford]

You can do it in this stitch.

[Tiffany Singleton]

She's like.

[Kami Crawford]

The friend told her, it's like, I would like for you to step in and do it. And then she sucks his dick and she jump in. She films it.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Oh, my God.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Wait.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

She films it.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Hold on. I got to put my wig back on, girl.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Put it on, put it on, put it on.

[Kami Crawford]

She felt it. That's the protection.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

That's what they saying much.

[Kami Crawford]

And I said, you know what?

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

You know what? Let me not judge, because I'm not judging.

[Kami Crawford]

Enjoy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Hang on.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

I'm not judging.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Let's not judge.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Your wig is halfway on.

[Kami Crawford]

Enjoy your life, sis.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Not judge.

[Kami Crawford]

However, comma, me and mine, comma, no.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Don't even think about it, Period. That is crazy.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

That's crazy.

[Tiffany Singleton]

So in conclusion, I will say that not conclusion. I don't want to conclude this, but my thing is, like, I have a lot of questions.

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

My thing is just like. Yeah. I would chalk it up to. For me. Yeah. Monogamy really stems from. I will also say I'm really. It's not just. I don't want it to sound like I'm just like, oh, yeah. We're just not evolved enough to open up X, Y, and Z for me as well. I am really attracted to and turned on by devotion.

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah, me too.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Devotion to me, it's just that borders on possession, obsession, but not safely.

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah, I'm a Scorpio.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Exactly.

[Kami Crawford]

I need you to be so utterly obsessed with me.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Yeah.

[Kami Crawford]

The thought of my man. We pretend like he and I have never had relationships outside of each other, ever.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

I love that. And he has a child Scorpio, if you want. He got a whole baby.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Cammy.

[Kami Crawford]

Immaculate conception.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Matthew.

[Kami Crawford]

Inculcation. Yes. Amen. Love her down.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Amen.

[Kami Crawford]

But we pretend if I'm like. Cause I, you know, try to trip him up every once in a while. We'll be watching a movie and I'll be like, have you ever hooked up with a girl that looks like that? Looks like that? And he's like, I've never hooked up with anyone other than you. I'm like, alec.

[Tiffany Singleton]

And I have this ongoing joke. This is so stupid. I. Whenever I want to do, like, if I'm Like, I'm like, let's. Let's order 7th Street Burger. It's like my favorite burgers. And he's like, t, come on. That's not. That's not. Let's. Let's cook at home tonight. I'll be like, really? Because you're the only man I've ever loved. You're the only man I've ever loved. I've devoted my entire life to you. And you're gonna say that to me right now?

[Kami Crawford]

And how are you gonna say no?

[Tiffany Singleton]

And he's always like, come on, T, come on. And then tablet, and then I get my burger. Yeah, no, I mean, me and my husband also do it. If you ever see us at the gym. No, you didn't. We have a consistent ongoing joke that whenever he comes over and he's like, yo, T, what you working on? I always go, okay, I'm married. I always do it everywhere. It doesn't matter what's going on. We always play the we just met game. And then he's like, ah, crap. Now we're playing the game. And I will commit to the bit until we get to the car.

[Kami Crawford]

Yes, I will. All the way to my husband were to see me here with you.

[Tiffany Singleton]

You better hope my husband doesn't come over here.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

My God. So anyways, well, I'm the resident single girl. I'm like, well, damn. I would say I'm more open now than anything. I wouldn't say no to polyamory. I think I would likely hate it in practice.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Sure.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

But I'm open to having the conversation.

[Kami Crawford]

Sure.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Which is new because I'm very monogamous. Like, grew up. Very Christian monogamous. Not into that at all.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Yeah.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

But in the year 2025, why not? If I end up in the state pen.

[Tiffany Singleton]

But I. But I have a question, and that's all.

[Kami Crawford]

We'll bail you out.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I have a question.

[Kami Crawford]

We won't ask any questions.

[Tiffany Singleton]

So regarding dating, let's just go into. You're not in an exclusive relationship when you're dating.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Yeah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Dating in this day and age seems a lot like. Like, people will be like, oh, we're not exclusive, though. Like, we're seeing each other. And to me, here's interesting. People will be like, we're seeing each other. As in, we're going on dates frequently. We're going to the grocery store together. We're doing all these things. I mean, they're even. Let's even bring in them around your family and stuff.

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

However, they are still non exclusive, basically. Non exclusive. And I'm going to assume. And I'm going to assume that means that you're not dating every single night someone else, but if someone comes along, you recognize that you're allowed to say yes to going out with them.

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I feel like that's really commonly accepted.

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

How is that any different than polyamory? I mean.

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

As long as, like, the gateway drug to polyamory. Honestly.

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah. And there are more people that are poly that Than I've ever known. Like, a lot of people, it works for them, and they're. They know about each other, and sometimes they introduce their other partner to their main partner, and sometimes they don't. I don't even want to think about it. I don't want to think about it.

[Tiffany Singleton]

You guys are so evolved.

[Kami Crawford]

Maybe it makes me uneven, and I will be that.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

I don't, though. I think it makes you human. I think we're so allowed to question these things in relationships. Really.

[Tiffany Singleton]

But I do understand it. It's more so that I'm like. I don't know how to get past my baser instinct of like. Like, no, you're mine and I'm yours.

[Kami Crawford]

But here's the other thing. Because if my girlfriends were to tell me that they were in a dating session situation like that, where they're doing all these things, I would say, absolutely, you better be dating other people.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Yeah.

[Kami Crawford]

And you should let his ass know. Or her, whoever the. You should let them know. I am dating other people. Yeah. You're not the only person that I'm dating.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Yeah.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

It's just such a deeply personal decision that it's like, yes, love it for you. Like, genuinely. I mean it when you say love it for you, but, like, not for me.

[Kami Crawford]

Yes.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Yeah.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

It's that simple.

[Tiffany Singleton]

It is that symbol of, like, if you were to tell me that you're. You're like, oh, I'm poly, or I'm in an open relationship, I would honestly just be like, oh, cool. Tell me about how. Like, how does that make you feel? How does that work? Tell me.

[Kami Crawford]

I'd love to hear more.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I am interested.

[Kami Crawford]

I love to hear about it, especially because I know I could never do it. I want to know all the tea. So if you do it, if you.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Do it, let us know. How does that work for you?

[Kami Crawford]

How does that work again?

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

I may end up in the state pen. That's how. Y'all know how it went.

[Kami Crawford]

I'm definitely going to jail. Yeah.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

If you get the call.

[Kami Crawford]

Or definitely going to jail if you get the call.

[Tiffany Singleton]

You know, it's you and two other people, and you guys are having a great time.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

I think it'll be specific to whatever's going on in my personal and business life. If I can maintain mentally and emotionally being involved with a man, then I don't have the need to have sex or be with anybody else. If I can't maintain all of that because I'm so fucking busy and juggling, I have no business being in a relationship, period. Like, I don't need to be monogamous to someone because I can't give them all that I got to give.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Fair enough.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

So we'll see.

[Tiffany Singleton]

We'll see.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

As someone who is dating in your 30s and now you're in a relationship in your 30s, 30s. What has courting looked like for you? Being courted? Are you a quarter?

[Kami Crawford]

You know what I will say? Like, I said this, My boyfriend and I have been together for almost three years now. It'll be three years in October.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Congratulations.

[Kami Crawford]

Thank you. He has a couple more months to ask me to be his wife before.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Oh, I can't wait.

[Kami Crawford]

This will be a different episode.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I can't wait.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

The wedding is sanctuary.

[Kami Crawford]

No, it's. We are. We are aligned. We're on the same page. And that's the other thing about dating in your 30s. Like, you have to talk about these things. Like, what are your timelines? What are you looking to do? Blah, blah, blah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I'd marry you.

[Kami Crawford]

Me, too. Hell, and I would marry me too. So I'm like, what the problem is she got married the first date. He was so intentional. Like, and I had never really experienced that. Like, he was intentional about our first date. He was intentional, like, making sure that we had the first date immediately. And then after that, like, the courting period. Like, he one day was like, hey, like, are you hungry? I would love to send you breakfast. And where I would normally probably have been, like, I'm good. Like, I've got my own breakfast, thanks. Like, I probably would have actually taken offense to it. Like, you don't think I can feed myself?

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Yeah, I can't get my own breakfast?

[Kami Crawford]

You think I'm an idiot? You think I'm an idiot? I thought it was really sweet, and I let him give me breakfast, and he got it from my favorite place. And, like, I don't remember if he asked me what I wanted. Cause I think that that would have been too much for me. I believe he ordered me the breakfast, and it was exactly what I would have ordered.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I needed what I want without me having to Tell you I'm screaming. That's crazy.

[Kami Crawford]

Oh, I was pointing. But yes. Also that. Yeah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

The last dregs of my wine, he.

[Kami Crawford]

Ordered me what I would have ordered.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Without you telling him.

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah. From Blue Jam Cafe in la. Yes. Got me that crunchy French.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Our producer is nodding.

[Kami Crawford]

That was before. Yeah, very delicious. And he got me the orange juice, which is not cheap. It's like $7 for the fresh price. But he did it.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Yeah. See, men are like, good man. What women want too much, women are asking for. She just wants to get a breakfast, dad.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

And the gag is, if they wanted to, they would.

[Kami Crawford]

They would. And he was like that often about other things. Like, I. I remember to. Our first date was amazing. And like, I would have given him 10 children on that day. Period.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Okay.

[Kami Crawford]

But I have a strict no kissing policy.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Wait, no kissing on the first day? No, she's a Sahara desert. No sex, no kissing, no hugs, no Polly.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

No Polly only.

[Kami Crawford]

She is a vanilla queen. Gang bang.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Bacaga, cream pie extravaganza. Banana.

[Kami Crawford]

Oh. Strep ass. Yes.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Strap ass.

[Kami Crawford]

The rest of it. No. I just feel like we gotta. You know. I don't even know you.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Yeah.

[Kami Crawford]

I don't know you. And this is an honor to kiss me.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Yeah.

[Kami Crawford]

So the first date, no kissing. Although he was like, I would have absolutely kissed you and more on the first date if you would have allowed. But he was like, I knew that I wanted this to keep going, so, like, I didn't try. Second date, I. We went to get dinner and then afterwards he was. We. Long story. But we lived blocks away from each other, but had never run into each other. Not at Trader Joe's, not at anywhere. Like, we never saw each other in the wild. Yeah. Except for the one time I saw him in the wild, but that was a long time ago. That's a long story. I'm not talking about that story. Okay, I will, but she's not talking about that.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Stop asking.

[Kami Crawford]

Stop. Leave me alone.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Stop asking. She's not telling you. People magazine.

[Kami Crawford]

So we went to dinner, the second date. And then afterwards, I assumed that he was going to take me home because I live around the corner from him. But he was like, would you like to come back to my place and, like, have a glass of wine? So in my mind I'm like, this motherfucker thinks he's getting some tonight. Yeah, he's not getting. He's Nike ass.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Sneaky ass. Trying to lure me into a damn trap with your tooth. Red blended bitch.

[Kami Crawford]

What do you think?

[Tiffany Singleton]

You pissing Me off.

[Kami Crawford]

Don't get on my nerves.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Don't piss me off.

[Kami Crawford]

So me, I'm like, date's gone great. Yeah. Everything was like, do you want to.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Glass them out of my house?

[Kami Crawford]

He, like, kissed my hand at dinner, and I flooded my basement. So I was really, like, not flooded my basement.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

I hope you got insurance.

[Kami Crawford]

This is being tested. So we go to the grocery store, and he was like, stay in the car. I'll go get the wine. And I was like, how do you know what I want? And he was like, sauvignon Blanc or Sensor? Because that's what I asked at dinner. He drinking paying attention. I was like, cami, locked in.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I got this Isair I bought.

[Kami Crawford]

And that's why I love it.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

It's savoring it. Date, she done, right?

[Tiffany Singleton]

Yeah.

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is our second date.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Damn. So.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

We'Ve lost the reals.

[Kami Crawford]

It's true. So he goes in, he gets the wine. He came back with Sancerre. Actually, you know what? He did not tell me what he was gonna get. He said, I've got it. He came back and he had his Sancerre and he had a Sauvignon Blanc.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Basement's gone at this point. But then you're like, mudslide.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Two bottles.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

It's down the road.

[Kami Crawford]

No. Now you think you're gonna get me drunk.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Now you're gonna get me drunk.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Cause now you're angry.

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah. Yeah. And you're gonna take advantage. No, that's crazy. Cause I'm awake.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Every.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

We go to Seattle, we're gonna steal that. Because I'm awake.

[Tiffany Singleton]

A man will propose with a gorgeous 10 Karat Marquis.

[Kami Crawford]

The fuck you think this is?

[Tiffany Singleton]

And Cammie goes, no. You see this right here?

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

I'm awake. I'm awake.

[Kami Crawford]

This is a trick.

[Tiffany Singleton]

You can fool me.

[Kami Crawford]

This is a trick. I'm a Scorpio. Everything is a trick. Everything is suspicious. You have ulterior motives, and I'm on to you.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Yeah.

[Kami Crawford]

Then we go to his house, and he plays a movie.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Oh, no.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

So you're really.

[Kami Crawford]

And he puts his hand on my thigh as we're talking. And I said, he thinks this is gonna be something, but it's not. Guess what? Didn't try a thing.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Wow.

[Kami Crawford]

We really sat and watched the movie.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Wow.

[Kami Crawford]

And we really talked for hours.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Wow.

[Kami Crawford]

And then he said, I'll take you home. And then he took me home. And I'm like, well, surely he's gonna kiss me, girl.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Nothing.

[Kami Crawford]

A big hug. I went up to my apartment and thought about this man, like a rabid animal. I was like, I am obsessed with him because he didn't try to do anything that he didn't think I was comfortable with. Like, he did not try at all. But then I said, oh, next time I see him, I fucking get him on. And I did.

[Tiffany Singleton]

She pulls her way forward. Next time I see him, I'm fucking.

[Kami Crawford]

Him 1000% on site. So as far as courting, like, that was the. The. The trajectory, it was just, like. It was slow, it was steady, and it was, like, building up to something.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Yeah.

[Kami Crawford]

And then the rest of the relationship was like that too. It was just like. But it was active. Like, six months in, he asked me to be his girlfriend. And, you know, we had, like, gotten off the apps right before that. Like, when we realized that things were getting, like, you know, it was progressing. He helped me pack up my apartment and, like, move into my first home. Like, I was like, yeah, like, you were. You're a real one. But I had to see it, and he made sure that I saw it before we, like, took any extra moves. But he let me know, like, even when he asked me to be his girlfriend, he said, you know, we're grown, so, like, asking you to be my girlfriend sounds a little. I don't know, like, a little juvenile. A little juvenile, exactly.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I was gonna make that for the.

[Kami Crawford]

99 and the 2000s.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Just do it.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Throwing it back for the 9, 9 and the 2000. Girl, you're working with some magic.

[Kami Crawford]

Running to the dance floor. Running to the dance floor for him always. But he was like, I see a future for us, and I would like to start that future now, if you're ready for that. I was like, yeah, I am.

[Tiffany Singleton]

And then you were sitting there, and you said, yes, I'll be your girlfriend. And then you turned back and you thought to yourself, but my eyes are open.

[Kami Crawford]

My eyes are.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

But I can see this. I'm awake.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Don't.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

I'm awake.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I'm awake. I'm awake.

[Kami Crawford]

What do you think this is for?

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Sure. I feel like the art of courting is lost on this younger generation.

[Kami Crawford]

It is.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

I don't know what they're out here.

[Kami Crawford]

Doing, but can I say something?

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Please do.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Please.

[Kami Crawford]

Coffee is not a date.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Speak on it.

[Kami Crawford]

Coffee is not a date. I could get coffee with anyone. I could get coffee with my dog.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Devil's advocate. Devil's advocate.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Say it.

[Tiffany Singleton]

What if this is someone listening and they're like, yeah, but, like, I'm like, coffee's all that I. I'm not comfortable with going outside at night. I want you to come to me and then I want to get to know you because we're strangers. Especially people on the apps. I could see why they would want to do coffee.

[Kami Crawford]

Daytime drinks mocktails. The cost of a cup of coffee is the same as a cost of cocktail.

[Tiffany Singleton]

So for you, the casualness of it all, it's just the casuality.

[Kami Crawford]

It's just too. It's low hanging fruit. Like we could go get burgers and sit on in a park bench. Yeah, all I care. Meanwhile, it could be something grand, but like coffee. Like, let's go get coffee. This just sounds like something that's going to end. Yeah. It sounds like we're dedicating an hour of our time till these drinks get cold and then we're going our separate ways.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

I will totally say one of the men that is courting me, I'm dating. I don't really know what to say. What we're doing right now, we'll take this out, but we'll God bless him nonetheless. He did say. He did. He did say this on. After we went on our first date. He's very particular about how he does a first date because to your point, coffee doesn't really cut it, but neither does grabbing, you know, a casual drink either. So he's like, if I do a drink, it has to be paired with something afterwards. And here we go with something was walk in the park and we sat on a bench and talked for two hours. But he's like, I will never properly or a woman by just taking her out for one drink. I love that. Not that I had ever really been on any other date that wasn't like getting a drink or whatever, but I love the intentionality of him saying it. Like, that's just not something you'll catch me doing.

[Kami Crawford]

Yes.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Now I will say this person is older than me. So I for sure anticipated this because he's older and he's just of a different generation. Yeah.

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

So younger boys, if you're listening, man, they're not.

[Kami Crawford]

I don't know what y'all girlfriends, send.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

This to your girlies. This will be a clip for socials. Courting is an art and it is not one that needs to be lost. I think the girls deserve it. Truly.

[Tiffany Singleton]

There are birds in the Amazon giving more giving than the man you went on your last date with. There's a bird in the Amazon that makes a special nest and then he steps outside of it and he goes and he like moves his little chest around his Tail gets big. Real impressive. And then a girl bird comes. And he's like, oh, yeah, you like this?

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

He's bugging it up.

[Tiffany Singleton]

And the girl's like, I don't know. I don't know.

[Kami Crawford]

My eyes are open.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I'm awake. I'm awake.

[Kami Crawford]

And he still does it anyway.

[Tiffany Singleton]

And then she flies away. And he goes, heard her. I watched this clip the other day. He was like, heard her. This male bird literally recouped. He was like, let me get it together. Remade his little.

[Kami Crawford]

That didn't work.

[Tiffany Singleton]

His little structure.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Round two.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Then he waited.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Uh huh.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Another bitch comes along. He goes, here we go. You like that? Cuba's giving it. He dedicated a whole day to this. And you're gonna ask a woman to coffee?

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah. No, I need to stop the book. That's not enough. Ice cream. Ice cream.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Ice cream.

[Kami Crawford]

Now coffee and ice cream.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Maybe a walk. Maybe that's doing it.

[Tiffany Singleton]

And a walk. And a walk.

[Kami Crawford]

I don't want to think that if I'm coming to coffee with you, we're at this Starbucks. Like, what is this, a job interview? Should I bring my resume?

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Cause that's on period. At that point. We might as well be interviewing each other.

[Kami Crawford]

Ah, I'm over.

[Tiffany Singleton]

It's gonna carry me. Go Cami. Go Cammie. I mean, really.

[Kami Crawford]

I need to see this clip of this bird, though.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

I know it's.

[Kami Crawford]

Cause you really sold it. If you didn't do it as well as you did it, then I want to show you.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

I can imagine.

[Tiffany Singleton]

It's really good. I liked it. I'll send it to you later.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

This is a departure from where we were before, but I feel like we still want to know this about you. Because as our resident confidence queen, I mean, really, we do look to you in so many ways. In so many ways.

[Tiffany Singleton]

So many ways. There's a reason why you are our first guest. And you are. When we ever, like, would we do guests? The answer was not yes. It was, oh, well, what about.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

What about Cambie?

[Tiffany Singleton]

And then like a maybe like for everything else.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Yeah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

It's just like we, we. I. We gen. Like, we just like you so much. And I. The way that you move through the world and the way that you have moved, I respect so much. And Queens.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Yeah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I don't know. And I think it's so tired to be like, you're so authentic. I don't like that word because it's lost its meaning because we've overused it. And it's such an important idea. The idea of standing in Your truth and being who you are.

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

And whether people like it or not, that's really impactful.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Yeah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

And you do that, and I really like that.

[Kami Crawford]

People who like it will stay. The people who don't will get the. Out of my way.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Hey.

[Kami Crawford]

And I like that. Why are you here?

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Period.

[Kami Crawford]

If you don't like it, there are plenty other people for you to follow.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Oh, my God. That's so true. I have got to take on this mind.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

She's brilliant.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I have got to get.

[Kami Crawford]

What can I say?

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

What can she say? So with that being said, I. We would love to know how do beauty, standards, insecurities, all of this, play into your public Persona? Does it. Do you even consider what the world considers beautiful? When you're getting ready every day, does.

[Tiffany Singleton]

It get in your head ever?

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Sports Illustrated?

[Tiffany Singleton]

Like, I mean, it helps that you're super beautiful.

[Kami Crawford]

So at minimum, that's.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

That's. That's that.

[Kami Crawford]

Thank you. Yeah. I have multiple feelings about this. I mean, obviously, I'm a human being.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Yeah.

[Kami Crawford]

So, like anyone, I'm always looking to improve. There's always things that, like, I am my harshest critic, I think, like everybody else, but my mother is a Jamaican Aries woman who raised me and my sisters to believe that we are the best, we are the brightest, we are the most beautiful. We are. There is nothing that we can't achieve. And I feel very blessed to say that I was raised by somebody like her. But also, I understand that there are a lot of women and a lot of people who were not raised by somebody like her, who encouraged them, who talked kindly to them, just, like, basic mothering, things that I think are basic, that, like, a lot of people did not receive.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Yeah.

[Kami Crawford]

So I feel very lucky in that sense. And I always say, I wish everybody could be raised by my mom. I mean, I'm sure everybody's moms here are great, but I wish everybody could be raised with, like, that sense of just, like, purpose, beauty, like, from within. Like, it wasn't just enough to be beautiful on the outside. My mom would always say, there's nothing worse than a pretty, so don't be one. Yeah. Like, you need to be kind to match the outside, you know? So I didn't grow up with a mom. I grew up with a mom that was very confident. I didn't grow up with a mom who talked badly about herself when she looked at herself in the mirror. She never talked badly about her body. Like, I didn't grow up with that. And I have been someone who's so Important. It's very important. It is. My weight has fluctuated my entire life and I've been everything from a size 0 to a size 10. And I've been confident everywhere in between. When I'm not feeling confident is when I know that I am not at my personal best. Like when I. When I don't feel like I am doing the things that I've promised myself. When I feel like I'm breaking promises to myself.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Yeah.

[Kami Crawford]

That I don't like.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Wow.

[Kami Crawford]

So as someone who has newly found the gym as of the past like four years, I know when I don't feel right. Like when I feel sluggish, when I feel. Because then it. I slack off in work, I slack off in everything else. So those kinds of things get to me. But it's more of a personal thing. It's not really like I'm seeing somebody on the Internet and I'm like, oh, I wish. Like, you know, but it is a, it is a thing. Like it's a factor. We can't act like it's not a factor, especially in today's dating world. Like, I don't envy the young girls. I don't envy them. I don't envy the kids of today's generation because they're dealing with a dating landscape with young immature people in general, on top of social media and like the access that gives and the fact that, you know, for my sisters, I have five sisters, all younger. The youngest two are 18 year old twins.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Oh.

[Kami Crawford]

But for an 18 year old, you can go on TikTok right now and see another 18 year old living across the country from you who's making six figures or more, who has the body of a 24 year old and the face and everything to match. And your instinct naturally is like, oh my God, like if that's what girls are looking like at my age, like I should be looking like that. Right. We didn't really have that. I feel like growing up and that wasn't.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I mean, I'm 28, so I wasn't 18 that long ago. And like I didn't feel Frankly I, at 18, I was very much a kid still. And I was able to be a kid.

[Kami Crawford]

Yes.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Yeah, sorry. I was very much able to be a kid and able to still like.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Childish wants and dreams.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Yeah. And, and, and be chapstick. And I wasn't thinking about whether or not my body was sexually desirable even at 18. Yes, I was technically legally an adult, but mentally I was very much. I wasn't thinking about those things.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Yes, we Were thinking about it. Were you anything like me in that you were thinking, oh, I still have growing to do.

[Kami Crawford]

Like, I don't need to be done. Yeah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I'm literally refer to myself as a kid.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Yeah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Another thing that I am. I've. I always want to start talking about this every time I get on Tick Tock. Every. There's like nine swipes before I can get to like a funny video or a normal video. Because the first nine swipes are Tik Tok Shop. And it's people being like, here is three things you're not doing to be a siren. Next one. Here's. Here's three things. Here is two things that you can. What if I told you you could be hotter by going to sleep by taping your mouth closed and your eyeballs?

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Did you? Because that scares me. What happened?

[Kami Crawford]

Well, my 18 year old sister got it first.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Damn it.

[Kami Crawford]

And then she convinced us all to get it.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Okay.

[Kami Crawford]

I don't know if it really made a difference.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

What is it supposed to do? Like inflammation.

[Kami Crawford]

Like you're supposed to like scratch your jaw. But mainly she said that she got really good sleep. And I struggle with sleep, so I was like, oh, But I feel like. I mean, I don't know, but I.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Gotta break it swipe after swipe after swipe of like, here's what you're. Here's what I used to look like and here's what I look like now. And all I had to do was buy this machine that I bounce on for 30 minutes every day while I watch a show. And it's like, I get it. That's great. I actually think I like beauty products. I like all things beauty. I'm interested in that. I like good skin care. I like it.

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

But the idea that I can't get away from this idea that whatever you're doing now is not enough.

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

You. Every night that you go to sleep, you're a step away from being as hot as you could be.

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I can't. I mean, it's exhausting.

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Oh, my God. And there's this part of you and I. I'm gonna be completely honest. There's a part of me. I'm 50, 50, warring with myself. There is part of me that goes.

[Kami Crawford]

I don't give a. Yeah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I don't care. I want to have fun. I want to be loud. I want to spend time with people that I love. I want to build a life that's real and colorful and fun and exciting. And then there's other part of me that Wants to be pretty.

[Kami Crawford]

That says add to cart.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Yeah. That wants to be desirable. That wants to keep my husband's eye. Now, granted, I love my husband. He's always like, t, you're beautiful. You look great. That's my husband all the time. He's great. This is all coming from me.

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

And I will also say, like, from societal standards and from social media.

[Kami Crawford]

Yes.

[Tiffany Singleton]

But these two parts, war and I. I feel like I don't want it to sound like I'm copping out by blaming social media because a huge part of it is a giant role. But I'm not gonna lie. Like, I'll be doing really well. And then I'm just on TikTok and, like, those nine scrolls, I'm like, I need to get off. Because after nine, I'm starting to look in the mirror and be like, is my. Like, do I have a double chin? Should I start taping my mouth? And then I'm like, oh, my God, I don't care.

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Like, I don't care.

[Kami Crawford]

But it's also, like, you have to acknowledge it's not normal what we do, being on social media. Like, it's not normal to see yourself as much as we do. No, I don't think we were ever meant to see ourselves as much as we do in general. And then add being a social media influencer, being on television, like, I think.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Access to the best of the best beauty products and services.

[Tiffany Singleton]

And then when you're editing yourself, I'm looking at myself and listening to the sound of my own voice for, like, six hours while I edit a big piece of content, which is like, I don't. I enjoy creating, but there is a level of, like, I'm tired of looking at my own face.

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Voice.

[Kami Crawford]

And that's very real. Like, I think, honestly, being on Catfish, I had to just get rid of the mindset that I need to look good all the time. I think coming from, like, the pageant world and, like, modeling, like, where every angle matters, they put that camera right underneath my chin at the worst spot, on my worst side every single time. So, like, I. It kind of just, like, goes out of my head now. Like, I could look like shit right now. Honestly. I promise you don't.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Oh, you do.

[Kami Crawford]

But the fact of the matter is.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

You don't care either way.

[Kami Crawford]

It is what it is.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

I love that.

[Kami Crawford]

But at the same time, I'm a human being, so, like, there are still times where I'll see a photo of myself and be like, oh, my God. Like, I know when I'VE fallen off. Okay. And then you get the comments from people being like, is that a pregnancy belly? Or like, any kind of.

[Tiffany Singleton]

We just talked about that last week when the episode we just filmed, we just talked about that. And what the hell?

[Kami Crawford]

What the fuck is wrong with you? Because what if I went on your page and wrote the same thing under your last picture? Is that a pregnancy rally?

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Is that a pregnancy?

[Tiffany Singleton]

Oh, my God.

[Kami Crawford]

Can you imagine coming to somebody and this is how I describe it to people who are not influencers or not like a public person. If I were to come to your job and sit down next to you at your cubicle and say to you, you said to me, have you gained weight? It looks like you've gained weight. It looks great on you. Shut the up. Why are with this backhanded? I don't like that. I don't like that. I don't think that we should be commenting on people's bodies, period.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Yeah.

[Kami Crawford]

But especially when it comes to, like, pregnancy, you don't know what people are going through. These kinds of conversations are very sensitive. And so for people who leave these careless comments or. I cannot tell you how many comments I've gotten from people being like, I liked you better before. I liked you better with your hair before. I liked you better when you didn't have makeup. I like you better with this makeup. I like you better.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Like, how bored can you be?

[Kami Crawford]

What if I did that to you? Yeah. Every day while you're doing your job, came up to you and gave you all of these unsolicited comments and advice about your parents. Would you like that?

[Tiffany Singleton]

The idea is, and I would say, as a rule of thumb, if you wouldn't say it in person, you wouldn't. And then you're thinking, yeah, but. But no, it's the same thing. Because in person, this is my. Mind you. This is my first impression. It's like if we. If you come up to me, which I would love. I love when you come up to me and shake my hand, you likely wouldn't be like, and by the way, you're looking plump.

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Like, we were talking last week about how I've gotten that comment. It's like, I can tell.

[Kami Crawford]

Online or in real life? Online.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Oh, I'm like, you're plumper. No. In fact, every interaction I've had in person has been totally great, normal. I know that's not true for everyone, but it has been for me, and I'm really grateful for that. But DMS are a different story. And, you know, like, why do people.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Feel so empowered to speak so poorly to people they do not know very.

[Tiffany Singleton]

And not even talking about us. I look at other people's pages. Let's even talk about people that aren't necessarily, you know, like this major creator or whatever. Like anybody. Anybody. The way you comment on, let's say a video comes up of someone you don't know, it's someone you don't know that's on a reposted site. So that comes up a lot.

[Kami Crawford]

Right.

[Tiffany Singleton]

It's just a viral video that got reposted somewhere else. I'm shocked when I go to the comments of even people. I'm going through this out there that I know. Like, I kind of know. We roll in the same circle. And they're probably assuming that no one's going to see this comment. And it's not necessarily mean, but it's like it's a comment on their appearance. Or like, Lola, her eyebrows. I'm a comedian, all right? I make jokes, and I get that. I make jokes all the time. We are funny, and that's okay. But I am always on the Internet with the mindset that the person who's in this viral video, they're going to find.

[Kami Crawford]

Yes.

[Tiffany Singleton]

And I promise you, as somebody who has been in that position, I go to the comments. Yeah, I do. I just want to see. Yeah, they're going to read it. Assume everything you put out there, they're going to read the person you're talking about. Even if it's not on their page, they're going to see it.

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Would you say it to them in person? How do you feel about them knowing that you said that? Are you cool? And I. And I. Maybe a lot of people are just gonna be like, I don't care what they think. I don't care.

[Kami Crawford]

Well, there are a lot of people who say, like, well, if you're a public person, you're putting yourself out there to be judged. Like, I've gotten that comment a million times.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I've gotten it, too.

[Kami Crawford]

You were literally in a pageant. You put yourself out to judge. But did you put your in a position yourself in a position to be hateful? Like, is that something that you woke.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Up today and decided you had to do?

[Kami Crawford]

Yeah. And also, like, what do you get out of this? What do you get out of this? Because the reality is, is that you don't have the courage and the fucking audacity to do it yourself. And that is why you're under these comments talking shit about other people who have the balls to Be who you've always wanted to be. So just say. And this is what I always say. This is what I always say. That, that he.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Roll the clip.

[Kami Crawford]

That I always say it's okay to just say I'm beautiful, period. It's okay to just say that.

[Tiffany Singleton]

And so that's my thing that's crazy to me is that it's one. And frankly, I will say it is. There's also a difference between being like, I don't really like the dress she's wearing. All right, fine. They're on a red carpet.

[Kami Crawford]

Put it in your group chat like a normal person.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

That's what I'm saying.

[Tiffany Singleton]

But I also. Even some of the things that we see online, it's like, bro, I don't care what you say. If you're just like, oh. When we shrug our shoulders and go, oh, well, it's the Internet. It's a lost cause. This is a reflection of our society. This is a reflection of our community. It's a digital version of our community. And it is. It is very real.

[Kami Crawford]

Yes.

[Tiffany Singleton]

And so when we shrug our shoulders and say, oh, well, it's just the Internet, you put yourself out there. It's the way it goes. No, I refuse to accept that we can't be better as a collective. I refuse.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Like, where does that boundary end in your mind?

[Kami Crawford]

Then while we are on the Internet right now, if I catch you outside.

[Tiffany Singleton]

She'S awake to bring it back.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Kami, will you up. So thank you.

[Kami Crawford]

I'm from the dmv.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

I know. That's right.

[Kami Crawford]

I don't play shit like that. I will love her.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I love her. And just know when. When you see Cammie's face, you go, oh, no. But luckily, I've got my two friends with me. Right behind her crow. Me and Tiffany emerge from the back. Fa.

[Kami Crawford]

Exactly.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Appears. A wolf howls in the distance. Oh, it's me and Tiffany arrive. Thriller begins.

[Kami Crawford]

And then the bird comes out.

[Tiffany Singleton]

You like that? Come on.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

And then juvenile throwing it Back to the nine. Nine in the 2000s. That's it.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Damn.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

And then you know you're in trouble.

[Kami Crawford]

Okay.

[Tiffany Singleton]

All right. I feel like this is a good place to call it. No, I know. Hold on. I know. I could talk to Kim all day. Come back on the pod.

[Kami Crawford]

I would love.

[Tiffany Singleton]

This is not gonna be like the one and done. I think you should come on the pod all the time.

[Kami Crawford]

I think I should be a reoccurring character.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Thank God. We would love to have you back.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

So much to talk about.

[Tiffany Singleton]

And we're Actually, I'll plug it now as a reminder the audience. We're doing a smut book book club. We're currently reading Quicksilver by Cali Hart. And it's. I mean, it's. It's just nasty.

[Kami Crawford]

Really.

[Tiffany Singleton]

You have to read it with us.

[Kami Crawford]

I don't read, but period. I hear it's excellent.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Audiobooked also.

[Kami Crawford]

We can do that.

[Tiffany Singleton]

You can probably read it.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

I've heard reading is actually, I've heard reading.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I love throwing it out there. You can join the book club if you'd like, and we can all chat about it.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

It'll be a good time. Catch up, guys.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Cami, anything else you want to plug to the audience?

[Kami Crawford]

I think you got going on relationship airs. Every single Friday, you can listen to we are your own.

[Tiffany Singleton]

You can listen to one or the other. Choose wisely.

[Kami Crawford]

You have a choice. No. Listen to both every single Friday, wherever you get your podcast. And then you can follow me at Cammie Crawford on everything. I'm talking my wherever I see fit, per period.

[Tiffany Singleton]

That how it's done. Don't piss her off.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Goodbye.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Because she's awake. I don't know what we're talking about next week. We're not that organized, and I.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Wait, I know, I know.

[Tiffany Singleton]

No, we don't, Tiffany. We don't know. Oh, we do know.

[Kami Crawford]

We do know.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I'm so sorry. I apologize.

[Kami Crawford]

Oh, my God. I love that.

[Tiffany Singleton]

I'm really sorry because you are co producer of the show and I'm sorry.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Next week, we're talking about fame. See you then.

[Tiffany Singleton]

And don't forget, we're your girls.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

We love you, Cam.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Cause we're your girl. Hey.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Cause I like how you do.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Warrior Girls is hosted and executive produced by Taryn Delaney Smith and Tiffany Singleton management by social media. Produced by Good mess Media. Follow us on all platforms at. We'reyourgirlspod.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

And that's all she wrote. Thank you again to our partners at Soapbox.

[Tiffany Singleton]

And now, because everybody wants me to do this, twist my arm. I'm gonna give Soapbox a song out of my super sudsy body wash. Vanilla bean and fig. Yeah, that's the boss, the boss of me because I put it on it. Then put on my jeans. Go out into the world smelling like a vanilla bean. Yeah, love my heart, I love my soapbox. Yeah, love my love My body was my soapbox.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

Check them out at Walmart in the natural section and other retailers nationwide.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love my body.

[Taryn Delaney Smith]

You can also visit Soapbox Co and use code. We're your girls at checkout for 30% off your order. One per customer and active through the end of the year.

[Tiffany Singleton]

Love my yeah Love my yeah Love my soul body have a great day.