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Cause we're your girl. Hey.
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Cause I like how you do. Cheers to this outfit. Because you said you was about to level up and you did, my boy. It's giving put together and I love it. You said it, not me. What's wrong?
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What's wrong? Because I spent our whole friendship dressing like I just got out of a women's correction.
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I'm watching the montage of every outfit at my box.
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Y' all don't understand.
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I'm sorry.
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What's yours?
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Really quick to that leveling up to.
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Me starting to wear adult cloth trivia diva. Okay, I'm gonna explain why that was so funny. For as long as Tiffany has known me and for as long as the Internet has known me, I. When it is my choice how I'm gonna dress. Like, if I go to Tiffany's house, I drive by, which I do frequently without.
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She knocks on the window.
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That sounds crazy.
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I squat in front of my window.
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And I bang on the bars. I swing from them sometimes she does. She's got a barred window.
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I do.
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That's crazy. Anyway, you need it. New York gotta be safe as long as we've known each other. I'm just somebody who dresses comfortably. I love a good pair of overalls. I like, came out with a line of loungewear Chaos Goblin.
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I wear it all the time.
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Thanks, baby.
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All the time.
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Just sweats and stuff, which I like. Tiffany met me. You met me right before I won Miss New York.
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Yeah. Yep.
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Yeah. And part of it was when you met me, I had no money as a receptionist. But you still always dressed really nice. And I never understood how you did it. Cause I was wearing the same. I always wore these.
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Like you were cute.
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I had my cute office clothes from Shein.
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You did.
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But they were always see through. I'd bend down and you would see right up my asshole.
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The very first time, the first time we went out at Stafila, you had on the black dress with the turtleneck.
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I always dressed like I was in Slytherin.
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I loved the dress. The dress was cute. But I do remember you making a joke that you bent down and I saw your puss. And I sure did. I said, there it goes.
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Yeah, those cheap. I mean, God bless you. Buy what you can afford. Amen to that is what it is.
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I used to work retail. That's why I was able to get the goods.
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And I always shopped, you know, I mean, listen, that's where I was at. I was making $17 an hour and I needed office clothes.
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Doing it diva.
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Anyway. Yeah. And I used to go to, you know, as my vibe. So that originally was it. And then when I became Miss New York, I felt so much anxiety about my appearance all the time because it was so. It was so. It was so important how you dressed and if you didn't dress well, it was discussed. It helped when I was Miss New York that people started dressing me and giving me clothes. So I didn't think about it very much. But I had so much. I mean, I had so much anxiety. It's funny. Cause I came off as very, very confident. But I was very, very quietly insecure about always feeling like when I showed up to something. And this had nothing to do with the clothes I was wearing. This was inside that. I was like, I look frumpy. I look stupid. And this also has to do with. When I was growing up, I was that kid that wore the same, like three outfits every day. I wore the same tracksuit that was too small for me. I love my purple tracksuit. I did two outfits pour without the dead homies. That tracksuit. Anyway, so I was bullied relentlessly for my clothes growing up. I mean, relentlessly. When I was in high school, I used to wear a. I used to have a Burlington Coat Factory briefcase that I thought was cool as hell. I used to put.
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And you told me about. What were we talking about? When you first told me about the briefcase, I almost collapsed.
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We were talking about how we had crushes on our high school teachers.
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Oh, my God. Yeah.
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And I said, why did I really think at 15. I'm not gonna say, what teacher? Cause everyone knows me. Why did I really think at 15, this specific handsome teacher with my damn tracksuit on and a Burlington suit. Burlington Coat Factory suitcase with garbage in it. I'm standing in third period like, you know what? Hell yeah.
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Hell yeah.
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I know you want this pussy.
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And it's always a history teacher, too. Why are they fine as hell?
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It wasn't my history teacher.
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What? A science teacher?
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It wasn't my history teacher. Cause no.
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Oh, they'll know.
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They'll know.
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Everybody knows who my history Teacher crush.
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Was because they had him. Was he fine as hell?
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Girl, he still is.
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I gotta clear my throat because apparently somebody has a complaint on the podcast that somebody commented, God, looking at the camera. Somebody said, for God's sakes, Taryn, could you clear your throat before you speak on the pod? So.
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One second, let me talk to my girl. Put some speck on her name. Okay. She's just husky.
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She means the voice.
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I fuck up.
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But I love a little. I do have a little thing going on.
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That'S a bit. Every time I try to defend you.
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I say something wrong. She means that I have a husky boy. Anyway, anyway, so the point is clothing.
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Miss New York dressing.
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Oh my goodness. So this has always been something that I have completely overthought. And I think that once Ms. New York pageantry days was over and I went in, I had this freedom to show up however I wanted in the world. I also think that a lot of the way that I dress, not at fancy events, but in my day to day life, started to kind of turn into this rebellion that I resent so much. How much I know how conditioned I've been to show up for the male gaze. I can't escape it. I don't want to speak for both of us. I just. I often feel that women, we cannot escape it in so many ways. And I'm so conscious of it and yet it doesn't go away. It's this constant knowing that I cannot truly and fully be myself and be honest and be, you know, loud and weird and funny if I am thinking about the male gaze.
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Yeah.
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And so it's. I'm railing against it all the time and. And I want women to rail against.
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Rise up, rise up, diva. But your version of railing against it is dressing is not sexy as possible or what you think is as non sexy?
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I think so. I think it's turned in. I think it's grown into that without me fully realizing it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. It's interesting. And it's mixed with insecurity that's real. I think it's a mixture of insecurity and it's a mixture of not wanting to dress or show up or be.
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Anything that a man wants that I'm supposed.
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I don't know, that I'm supposed to be. I don't want to fit into a box. But I think that's also done a number on my self esteem. It's this weird.
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It's a conundrum.
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It's a weird circle. I always say to Tiffany, man, I really Want to start being back on my bullshit now. You do. Like, why do I. We'll be at a cafe, and I'm like, I look like a sewer rat.
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Which never does stunning.
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Tiffany's in some beautiful dress. And I'm like, I do this to myself.
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You don't look like a suit.
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I look like Gort, the junk man on Halloween Town. I love Gort.
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I loved Gort.
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I love Gort. That's how he sounded. Anyway, so it's an interesting cycle, right?
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It is.
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And then I ask myself, well, do I wanna dress nicely and dress well for me or who am I doing it for?
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Yeah.
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And sometimes. How exhausting. Why do I have to existentially question every decision I make?
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I was gonna say, cause it's not that deep. But it is deep. Dressing or examining the reasons why you get dressed in the morning is deep. You're talking to the right person to assume who you are.
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Yeah. Cause you.
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Cause I care that much too.
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And I've always admired how you do fashion because I don't feel that you. You dress for the male gaze. I know you dress for you.
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Absolutely not. I. I won't.
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You always have. I've always thought that about you.
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And you have said that from day one.
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And I love that about you. And even when years ago, when we were really young and I would have been understandable. I met you when you were like 23 years old.
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I always dressed like a 40 year old receptionist.
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No, I did.
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Diva. Stop it. I did. I shopped at the loft at 19. I was a manager there, so I wore the loft.
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I love that for you.
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I did.
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I guess I just mean to say you. It would have been understanding. We all go through that phase, and I don't. I just kind of feel like you skipped it. And you've always just dressed as yourself, and I've. So being in your proximity has made me. Inspired me to dress for me. And now I just have to figure out, what does that even mean?
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What does that mean for you?
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Like, what does that even mean for me?
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Figure it out. That'll be a fun journey.
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The reason I laugh is that the last time I was at Tiffany, I said, like, literally, we're leaving to say goodbye. And I was like, I love you. Have a good day. And she's like, bye. And I said, and by the way, I'm prompted, next time you see me just now, I'm gonna be on my bullshit. I'm gonna be a well dressed girl. And Tiffany went, mm. Didn't ask me my Plan, though.
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But here you are.
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I didn't need to. I don't know.
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It's giving. You look great. You look clean. You've got a little crinkle to you.
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I showered.
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That's a good start. That's a great start. And the Alexis Patar earrings holding us down. If it's not these, it's those. I know.
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That's right.
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I'm very proud.
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You know what? Hell, yeah.
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Hell, yeah. You look great.
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Hell, yeah.
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You look absolutely phenomenal. Well, how's your week? What's good? You told me you had a funny story to tell me.
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Well, this is actually a great story because you and I have a history of falling asleep in public.
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Crazy spots. You in particular, though, my boy. You knocked out. I did.
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You know how you fell asleep? You fell asleep in a Barnes and Noble in the middle of the day.
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I did. I was stuck in the stack reading, and I fell asleep with a book.
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I woke up. You said you woke up hours later.
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I was like, oh, shit.
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Oh.
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And Barnes and Nobles are dark, so you don't know what time of day it is.
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Check for your wallet. Check for your phone. Like, damn.
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Damn it.
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I got to go.
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Let me get up. My butt numb. I'm hurting.
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Damn.
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Yeah, we be doing that.
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I remember you told me that story casually over drinks one time. You're like, well, I was at Barnes and Noble today, but I lost time because I fell asleep.
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Fell asleep in the cafe. It happens.
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Oh.
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Anyway, where was you sleeping?
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Well, I filmed a skit for a campaign. Doesn't matter what it is. All you need to know is I was dressed like a British gangster. I was wearing a tracksuit.
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Okay.
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Yeah, I was wearing a tracksuit and my sunglasses.
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Okay.
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And I finished shooting, and the sun was still out, but I wanted to catch the last of the sunshine.
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This was yesterday.
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Yesterday. It was so sunny out.
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It was a nice day.
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So I was near Chelsea Piers. I parked my car, and I walked over to the pier, and I sat on a bench. I put in my headphones.
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Yeah.
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I was listening to my cello playlist. Yeah. Wheezing. I was like, this sounds.
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Why did that sound like 50 Cent? Say you again. Okay.
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So anyway, I'm sitting in the sun, listening to this haunting melody. It's beautiful. I was thinking about life and the passage of time. Oh, that's nice. Before I knew it, girl.
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Head back, knocked out.
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I was in a snowland clonked. There was a centaur walking around. I was like, whoa, whoa. Didn't even realize asleep, you know? I'm just like, whoa, things are changing.
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Whoa.
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So what's ironic is I felt myself nodding off, and I went, oh, God, it's New York City. I can't fall asleep at the park bench.
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Then you did.
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So I looked down at my phone, and I text my husband. I said, I'm falling asleep on this park bench. Alec, text me back, my husband, in all caps, T. Do not fall asleep. You'll piss me off.
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Oh, no.
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My husband does not like them when I do things that he thinks are dangerous. Puts you in danger, makes him very nerv. And I said, I won't fall asleep. He said, you should just come home. Cause I think you're gonna fall asleep. I said, nope, I'm outside. Love you.
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I'll be all right.
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I'm cool. So anyways, but then I thought, if I'm looking down at my phone, it actually looks like with my sunglasses on, I'm looking down.
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Mm.
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So what if I just stayed like this and had a quick eye close?
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It's like in Pirates of the Caribbean when Jack Sparrow paints the.
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Literally the eyes. Cause I thought I could just have a nice little power nap with my ice clothes and my phone down on my lap.
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No one will suspect a thing.
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Next thing I know, someone's sh. I'm slumped like this.
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Like, Weekend at Bernie's. Sleep as hell.
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Lord.
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Oh, no.
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Look, girl, someone shaking my knee. I came. I went, God damn it. That's where I woke up. God damn it. I was scared. Scared. The girl. It was a girl waking me up.
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Oh, good.
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There's two parts to this story.
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Oh, shit. Okay.
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She went, I'm sorry, by the way, honey, I love you so much. I hope you watch this episode. She said, I just wanted to say I'm a huge fan. And then she said, but I think I just woke you up.
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A fan saw you sleeping on the arm in costume, Terry.
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Oh, my God. She was so sweet. And I can tell that I was.
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Scared that she was on.
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She was on her phone, See, when she went, oh, my God, I'm sorry. Did I wake you up? I had Drew. Oh, that's really funny. And I said. I said, no, you're fine. What's your name? She told me her name. I said, it's so nice to meet you. I reached my. I know. I was really. I was flustered because I wanted to give her a good experience. But I just woke up. I don't know, you know? So I just woke up. And she was. And then she's walking away now. Cause she's on the phone. And she was like, I'm sorry. Anyways, I just wanted to say I love you. I love Tiffany. Like, love. I just love your video. I said, thank you so much. And she goes, and I'm sorry again. And I said. And I said, no, no, it's fine. I had to wake up anyway.
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I need to get up anyway.
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So she goes, that's crazy. And I was sitting there, and I saw a man two benches down pop his head out. He watched the interaction happen. Mm. Any smart person would have. My cover's blown. Of course, I'm no longer just an anonymous woman in a tracksuit.
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You've got to get up.
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But the cellos were taking me. And I thought, man, you know when you just had a great sleep? And I was like, I really am comfortable.
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I'm about to knock right there.
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And the sun was so warm. So I put my sunglasses on and I sat back up. I sat up straight, cleared my throat, and I was like, do not fall asleep. Next thing I know, why am I back in the snow land? Whoa, whoa. There's a sea witch.
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Oh, no.
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Skies zooming around. Shapes, colors.
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I can see it.
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Shapes, colors, shapes. I will wrap you in my arms. And I was. I don't know where I was.
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The bazooka.
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The bazooka.
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Me in the dream.
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That's what I'm dreaming about. Tiffany with the bazooka. I don't know what the fuck is going on. And all of a sudden, I hear you're famous. Yes. I open my eyes, and I said, and I open my eyes. My knee jerk reaction. I'm not famous. It was a Polish man who had been sitting two benches down. All of a sudden, he's next to me.
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Oh, my God.
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And I love Europeans. I will say, you guys will just start up a conversation with anybody anytime.
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I love it.
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So I'm trying to get my band, and he's. Yeah.
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Mm.
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And I thought, this guy is Tiffany's type.
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Was he?
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Yeah.
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What'd he look like?
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He was tall, polish, and he had Vince Camuto sunglasses on that were too big for his face.
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Perfect.
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And I was like, oh, my God.
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Perfect.
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I have met, I have seen this man at the Kachashube.
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Absolutely not at ket. Catchy. Likely on my arm.
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Girl, you like abba? No. Don't go away chasing my Evo. I like European men. Cause I can just bop to it.
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Stop it. Don't get me excited for the summer. Anyway, so my husband wakes you up.
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Yeah.
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Mm.
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And to be fair, he's just making conversation for the first 10 minutes. I'm going, huh? Oh, yeah. And he's talking about construction on the pier. And he was like, you know, they just opened this up, and we're doing this. And then he goes. And I just came down here on my bike. You see my bike. I like the bike here. I work in finance. I was sitting there, and I was like, yeah, yeah, good business, good business. I don't know what's going on. I just woke up. I'm fighting sleep right now. I don't know why I'm locked in this dreamland. I think a wizard put some kind of spell on me, tried to lock me to this bench.
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Mm.
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Anyway, finally he was like, do you want to exchange numbers? And I said, oh, I'm married. And he was like, why didn't you say that? And I was like, you didn't give me a chance. I just woke up.
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I was asleep. Hell, what was I saying?
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I was asleep.
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That's crazy.
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And I said, yeah, I'm married, but I hope you have a great day. And I'm gonna. I'm gonna zoom out of here. So then the funniest part is I stand up, I adjust my tracksuit, and I walk aimlessly down the pier. Cause I'm still trying to figure out where I am.
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This is one of those things.
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And I come to, and I was like, oh, right, my car. I drove here. I almost forgot. I drove. So I went and found my car, and I climbed in, and I was like, okay. Went home. I was like, that was crazy. Alec, my husband, was not happy. Mainly that he does not feel it is safe to fall asleep with my purse and everything on me on a park bench in New York City.
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That's.
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What kind of country do we live.
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In where we can't do that? Safe activity.
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Can't have a little bench siesta?
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I hope the girly pop who woke you up sees this. And I want you to know that's the funniest thing.
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Thank you so much for waking me. I was in the grip of a sleep spell like you've never seen.
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My God. At least it wasn't the man who woke you up from the first sleep spell. Yeah, that would have been a little crazy scary.
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But he was very nice, too. I can't really fault him.
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That's good.
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He just fell in love with a sleeping beauty. Just. I know I look like this, too.
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With the phone in your hand like this. Sleep. That's so good.
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Oh. Are you a good sleeper, or do you like. I feel like you're a good you don't have insomnia or anything.
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I never not struggle with sleep, baby.
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Whoa.
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I will sleep.
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You will sleep.
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No, I will say. Two nights ago I could not fall asleep to save my life. And this is the first time that I've ever first time as an adult that I've had like an actual sleepless night, like up staring at the ceiling, cannot fall asleep to save my life. Was hot, was irritable and I said, I don't know how people do this. I'm so happy that I am not ailed with sleep inabilities. Are you? Eczema isn't always obvious, but it's real and so is the relief from Ebglis. After an initial dosing phase of 16 weeks, about 4 in 10 people taking EBGLIS achieved itch relief and clear or almost clear skin. And most of those people maintained skin that's still more clear at one year with monthly dosing.
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I had a stint in college where I held I had insomniac I thought it was forever. I had insomnia. I had insomnia for about two years.
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Oh, my God.
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So I would. The longest I ever went without sleep was three days.
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Yeah. The Singletons don't struggle with sleep, and that's a blessing.
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I mean. Yeah. It just went away one day. Knock on wood. I hope it never comes back. It was like the worst time of my life.
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Yeah. No, no, that's not fun. So I will say there's. I wonder. Well, we know there is a correlation between having a little narrow, spicy divergence and your witching hours being in the middle of the night.
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Is that so?
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Yeah. Because our brains, like, come awake at night, so I'm more active at night, though. It's not that I can't fall asleep. It's that, like, if I'm up at 2am I'm getting everything done that I need to get done.
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Yeah. And we've talked about this before. Do you feel more creative at nighttime?
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Absolutely. Back in. So you remember or I've told you I went to a school of the arts for high school.
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Yeah.
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And so I was a theater major. Started as performance and then transitioned into doing production. So I was like a costume girly head of the costume. Girls miss you, divas. So every year when you're a senior, you have to do what's called a jury. And the jury is like your final presentation for the year. This is basically what's going to grade you for the first semester, and then the second semester, you're off to college. So it doesn't matter.
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The coolest high school ever.
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It was, like, victorious, but actually real. It was crazy.
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So cool.
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Which is why this life is a little bit easier, because I had that training. But so anyway, everyone, juries, all the senior, all the seniors, jury. And you present in front of the entire student body, like, within your program, also to a board of jurors. So this is a really big fucking deal. And you have the first quarter of the year or no first half of the year basically to work on this project. You should be working on this for about three to four months so that when it comes up, you're ready to go.
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Oh, you didn't do that.
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You know me.
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I know you, but you killed it either way.
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Absolutely. I waited till the week before juries to decide. I've got to sew this costume so I could have performed. I decided not to. I declared that my jury would be a costume presentation. So that means sewing the costume.
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Oh, my God.
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Coming up with a storyboard Documenting the entire process and then presenting it with a story in front of this board. I think I was the first person in my school history to miss their jury. I did not jury on the day that I was supposed to, which is an automatic zero. Like for sure. Like you're done for this semester.
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What happened?
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I went the second day. I texted my costume teacher, Ms. Will. I was like, diva, I'm not gonna make it today. And she's like, what do you mean you're not gonna make it today? I was like, I can't make it today. And she's like, we'll figure something out. I stayed up for 24 hours straight chugging coffee. I'm not a coffee drinker, especially wasn't back then chugging coffees. Red Bulls. Anything that I could find to sew an entire ball gown. I did Cinderella. So I sewed a Cinderella quick change ball gown and had a full corset, big ass bustle and skirt.
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This is amazing.
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I had to find a model. One of my friends shout out to you Beijing. Shout out to you regene, my girl cause you came in clutch. In that moment. I had to find a model to fit the outfit. Cause I didn't fit it on someone. I just was like, I'm about to sew this and hope that somebody fits in it. Thank God that she did. Did the presentation, all of it had storyboards, like a big ass board. I did all of this within probably less than 24 hours. Go the next day to present my jury. And I got above 100% which never happens. That is unheard of. And I'm not even sure I'm supposed to say that.
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That is so amazing to tell.
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It's a great tale. And everyone's like, I was that girl in school that would absolutely not study, had all AP classes, but was like, yeah, you know, we'll figure it out as we go along. But I had like a semi photographic memory back then so I could look over my not and be like, let's go. And then I'd sit down and be the only person to pass when they know I bullshit my way through the entire semester. It's crazy. Anyway, so that's my, my witching hour tale that I get my best shit done at 2 o' clock in the morning.
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That's amazing.
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It was crazy. And at the time I remember I lived with my grandparents. They're so cute. My nana would knock on the door and be like still at it. I'm like, sure I am with like.
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Pins and needles and I'm sewing my.
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Fucking life away Shaking it too. It's crazy. Now it's done.
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Oh, my God.
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Find a picture story.
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I don't think I knew you could sew because you went to art school, but I don't think I really realized the extent to which you can sew.
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I was that girl. I wanted to go to school for costume design. So when I had decided that I didn't actually want to perform, costume would be the track. And I wanted to move to New York to go to, like, a proper conservatory, learn and do all the things and be a costume designer.
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It also helps for me, to help me better understand, just like you are so great with fashion. And now I have an. I have an additional layer to understanding why you're so good with fashion.
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Yeah.
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Because it takes. It's another level to know how. It's how this. The sausage is made.
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Correct.
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Really, really cool. And I think a lot of people like to come to comment on fashion.
A
Yeah. That's why I get so, like, sticky when people actually don't know what they're talking about. No tea, no shade. Comment on things. I'm like, there's so much more that goes into constructing a garment than, oh, this may be cute. And people are actually taking the time to sit and think about it. I'm very particular about fashion because it's art. It's someone's creative expression. So just in the same way that we would objectively or objectively look at a painting, we should look at clothing in that same way. Yeah, I think.
B
I know. I agree. And I think it makes you better at what you do. It's for the same reason that I'm acting and I'm going to acting classes. But when I'm on set, I've always known when I'm lucky enough to be on set, I'm always looking at. I'm asking so many questions about what the camera people are doing.
A
Yeah.
B
Who the cinematographers are doing with the. You know, with what they're doing. And I ask a lot. I was once on. When I was on set for something, one of my producers, this actually at the after party. The after party mind of producers was, by the way, she said, are you interested in producing? And I was like, oh, sure, one day. Yeah, that'd be great. And she goes. Just because the questions you asked were more of the questions a prep producer and director would ask instead of an actor or a talent.
A
Yeah.
B
And I was like, I just. I want to know how all the sauce is made. I want to know how it works. I want to. I want to be thinking about the editing process because they always say acting, tv, acting for tv. And film is really an editor's medium for sure. Not an actor's medium. The stage is an actor's medium. And they talk about how the best. The people that are the best at their craft, which is heavy quotations because that is such a subjective thing to say, are people that really understand how something's gonna be shot, cut the entire storyline, how that story's going to come together. And we're interested in that. Of course I want to. I want to know how the sauce is made. And I love that you know how the sauce is made in fashion.
A
That's what makes the best actors, though. You care for the process and that's why you're so good at what you do.
B
Thanks, Tiff. Well, we're getting there. Would you ever want to do a line like your own of.
A
It took me a second.
B
Bitch.
A
As you kept talking, I was like, oh, okay.
B
What the. This is not that type of show. I don't know.
A
My bad.
B
Well, up close, I thought you were gonna. And I was gonna be like, I don't know. Beach wear purses.
A
It's like a line of what?
B
Beach wear purses.
A
Purses, methamphetamine, beach wear purses.
B
Whatever floats your boat. Diva.
A
Oh, wait, I have this photo showed up. Yes. I made you have the photo. Isn't that crazy?
B
Can we trace. Ask her for this photo? We'll put it. We're gonna put it on screen for our viewers watching. This is so cool. To 18 year old hands.
A
This is made overnight. I am proud of that.
B
Everyone in the studio, I want to see. Isn't this amazing?
A
Isn't that funny?
B
The fact that you made this?
A
I did. Now looking back, I'm like, it's rudimentary work because I was 18.
B
But.
A
Don't say that. But at the same time, it is. I'm proud of that when I see.
B
It because this is unreal.
A
My brain came together in that moment.
B
This is. This is amazing.
A
And that's Regine.
B
And also knowing that a prayer in 24 hours is really insane, actually.
A
I'll never do that again.
B
If you choose to have children, you are going to be that mom that makes all her daughters. Absolutely.
A
The recital, mom costume, my dream. But not actually. I don't know. I don't know what my kid dreams are. But if I were to have a daughter, I would love to do that.
B
Well, you can make my. I want to be a mom. So I know that all your kids.
A
Halloween costumes, all the recital outfits, if you want, we'll do it. I'm locked in to have one of.
B
Those weird ass kids that's like, I want to be a monster from 1948.
A
Ah.
B
And you're like, buddy, that's what kind of. How about you just be a werewolf?
A
There you go.
B
No, I'm trying to be a steamship captain from the future. You're like, God damn it. You know what? Halloween's canceled.
A
I'm making it weird, baby. Sorry.
B
One of my weirdest Halloween costumes. When I was a kid, I insisted on. I was not that little. I was like 14. I insisted on just being a person from the 1940s. And my mom was like, oh, like, are you going to be dead? And I was like, no, why would I be dead?
A
I want to be Joe.
B
My name is Jolene. And I just for. We all were a costume to school all day. I spoke in a transatlantic accent.
A
So funny.
B
I was dressed in a full 40s fit, which my mom got behind me, period. She got me a shoe. The shoes were a little too window.
A
We'll do it. Support what you want.
B
Wig, lipstick, the whole thing.
A
Absolutely.
B
And I got kicked out of Classic three times because I was like, when they'd be like, you know, and why do the neurons connect? And we're in science class. And I was like, what's going on here? You crazy cats are doing science? And they were like, taryn, get out.
A
You've taken it too far. Leave.
B
Oh, you're not kicking me out, are you? Can't believe this. Well, I guess I've gotta go. And they're like, yeah, please go.
A
What did the kids do? Did they entertain you?
B
People always thought I was like a class clown. So just like, Taryn, there's Taryn. Taryn's having another episode.
A
I maintain that we would have been friends back then.
B
I really do.
A
I would have wanted to feel strongly about the fact that we wouldn't have. I think we would have.
B
I don't think you understand what I was working with. You were cool. Like, I was not cool. I know. You had that cool girl.
A
I was not. I went to School of the Arts. Everybody was weird as fuck. We were the outcasts from the county that were artists.
B
But you were the coolest of the outcasts.
A
Now I just didn't care, see? But I would have loved you. I would have been like, that girl's really living her truth. And I can appreciate that.
B
Speaking of sleeping and dreaming, because I was Thinking about sleeping and dreaming.
A
Sleeping and dreaming.
B
I am somebody who, when I sleep and dream, it's such on the note of who we are. Sleeping, dreaming, being artsy. I often dream in music, so there's lots of. My dreams are often musicals. My dreams are often musicals. And oftentimes when I wake up in the early morning hours, if I wake up in the middle, they're really strong dream. I can wake up at like, you know, five, and I'm like, oh, my God. Every time I wake up, I'm like, I always am like, that was amazing. Like, I think. I think I just had a process. I just had genius strike me. This could be a hit show. That's so funny. And I always will go into my notes app and write down the lyrics or I will voice memo the song and then I'll forget about it and I will find it weeks later and I'll go, that genius song I came up with. And it always is God awful. Like, I don't know why I think they're so good. And I will show them to Tiffany when we go out.
A
The most recent one that you showed me sent me to my knees.
B
I need to show you guys this song. Hold on. I always know which one it is because it's like the timestamp is like 4 in the morning.
A
That's so funny. 4:02am stroke of genius.
B
Is it this one? I got it.
A
When is this?
B
What's initially funny? Okay, to all my viewers at home, I'm gonna put this up to my mic. I need you to understand that when I wake up in the early morning hours and I have had a strike of genius in my dreams and I record this song in my mind, this is amazing because I'm still kind of asleep. It's not until it's not until later that I listen to it. I go, what the is this?
A
Okay, wait for background. What time was this one?
B
This One was on February 3rd.
A
I have to paint the picture. A wee hour of the morning on February 3rd.
B
I think I filmed. I think this was at like 4am that I voice recorded this because I was so desperate to make sure I didn't lose this song.
A
Played it.
B
She let me hug in and squeeze her.
A
Thinking about it.
B
Sweet Louisa, Sweet Louisa. Why do I hurt my. What the hell?
A
And it became a vocal we would go up to.
B
We were at the Ritz, and we're at the cafe at the Ritz. And I was like, I cannot believe how good this is. And I listened to the first time in front of Tiffany. And I'm like, he's slowly getting more and more embarrassed because I was like. Some of the lyrics were like, my be bye might be gay.
A
A bop. Must be Louisa.
B
Kissing and tweezing Louisa.
A
Like, it could be a bop.
B
My, oh my.
A
Oh, yeah.
B
Sweet Louisa, my dear. Hey, what was the part that we had? Liz? Sweet Louisa.
A
So funny.
B
Something so random. But in the dream, it was hot. It was good. There was a bunch of naked girls and I was like, mom. My sweet Louisa. I was in the club. Dang it. I wish I knew what it was. Yeah. This dream. I know it was never at.
A
Well, you know, you love a recording studio. You should just hop in and throw some tracks down.
B
Do you guys think it's good? It's actually not bad. I do. My sweet Louisa. It's a vibe.
A
And then you can sell it to Michael Buble. I think he really do something with it.
B
I love that man.
A
I do too.
B
Don't get us started on Michael Buble, because we love Michael Buble.
A
We really do.
B
Mike, if you want to come in.
A
The pod, please come on the pod. He was my first concert.
B
Oh, was it amazing?
A
It was amazing. I went to Madison Square Garden by myself. I wanted to see. I texted you to see if you could go and you couldn't go that night. So I went by myself.
B
And I should have come partied with.
A
A bunch of old people.
B
Next one. I sent this to Tiffany. On April 27, I wrote a rap in my dream. I was a rapper and I had this great hit song. It was amazing. Woke up, immediately pulled out my notes app. I said with one eye open. I said, I got to write this thing down. Cause maybe I need. And it was so good in my dream. And then the hours after I woke up that I was like, it would actually be kind of cool if I released a rap album. No one would see that coming. That'd be kind of cool. Am I a good rapper? Am I a really good rapper? I go to the gym, I'm thinking about it, listening to all my favorite rap music. I'm like, yeah, I'm good.
A
I could do this.
B
I finally. A couple days go by and I finally go back and I'm like, oh, I gotta show Tiffany. And I find the lyrics to this much shorter. There was only one. There's only like four lines written. Don't remember how short.
A
Four lines. You've created an entire rap career.
B
And I. When I read this for the first time, I laughed so hard. And I sent it to Tiffany and it sent her to the grave. These are the words. Here's what I wrote. I'm the one. I'm a fucking star. So good it's incorrect. I'm is. I really are. Your favorite's gonna say I'm not shit. They're probably right.
A
Your favorite's gonna say, I'm not shitting around all around it. Darren, that's crazy.
B
Three days.
A
What you is, IR is.
B
I really are. I'm the one. I'm a fucking star. So good it's incorrect. I mean, I really are. Your favorite's gonna say I'm not shit. They're probably right.
A
Sorry I'm laughing so hard.
B
Well, that's the end of my rap career. So anyway.
A
But imagining your shock and surprise when you go back to read that shit. You're like.
B
And I'm like, I thought this was good. Does anyone else. You know people who dream? I don't dream in black and white. Do you?
A
I don't dream this whole time.
B
Shut up.
A
I have dreams, but I'm not a regular dreamer at all.
B
Maybe you just don't remember them.
A
Do you think that's probably the case? Because I can't remember what I did three hours ago, so.
B
Do you ever have nightmares?
A
Rarely. I don't think I'm an active mental galley in my sleep because I was just sitting here.
B
Are you dreaming black and white?
A
Not even black and white. I dream a lot.
B
You dream a lot?
A
Are you a dreamer, Zoe?
B
Sometimes. Really?
A
Yeah. See, as I'm sitting here thinking about it, I'm like, I don't think I. I have dreams. I know I do, but I remember them when I have. Yeah, like it has to be a thing.
B
I was on a park bench for five minutes and I was dreaming.
A
That takes you into a new world.
B
I didn't. I never fully understood. Realized that not everybody has really, like, crazy dreams.
A
It's like a monkey with a tin can in my brain when I'm sleeping.
B
And it's funny, I also think I assumed you did because you are so creative.
A
Yeah.
B
Like, you are so creative and you're so. And you're so visual.
A
That happens in the waking hours, I guess.
B
Yeah.
A
That's fascinating. Now I know this about myself. I am a sleep talker, though.
B
You talk in your sleep?
A
I used to walk in my sleep, too.
B
You were sleepwalking?
A
I was the one who had to, like, lock the door and bar it to make sure I didn't get out the house.
B
What would you do?
A
Just get up and do shit. Who knows?
B
You'd be doing tasks.
A
Tasks. I would be up. My mom can tell it better than I can, but she used to have to, like, physically bar the doors. She'd come out of her room and be like, what are you doing? And I'm like, I gotta get Girl Scout cookies.
B
Dairy.
A
I do remember doing that one. She's like, get back into bed. And my mom had no patience. So it wasn't like, come on, sweetie, get your ass back in the bed. Yeah, I was walking and talking. I talked the other night, someone was over while I was sleeping, and they were like, yeah, you was laughing. Having a whole conversation with that guy while sleeping.
B
Bitch. You were probably like, literally, Taryn, you're so crazy. Literally is. We have got to get on our scene. My favorite Tiffany quotes are always, and I hope you sleep in your sleep. I'm sure I would die if I was asleep next to you. And you in your sleep went, I have got to get out of my zoom.
A
That'd be insane. And I'm sure it has.
B
I bet you do.
A
I'm sure it does. So that's funny. You're a dreamer. I'm a talker and a walker.
B
That is so sleepwalking is crazy. And I've. We've spent the night together multiple times. I've never seen you sleepwalk.
A
It's been a while since I've done it. I think it's been since maybe teenagehood.
B
You do live alone.
A
But I was talking the other night.
B
I was gonna say, you do live alone. So you might be like, yeah, I don't sleepwalk anymore. You wake up and there's pots and.
A
Pans over your house, seasonings all over the place.
B
I don't know who did this.
A
Ooh, Winston.
B
Can't believe my dog is so misbehaved.
A
I'm happy. I don't do it anymore. That'd be so dangerous. And I live on the first floor, too. I could walk right out. Never see me again. You never see me again.
B
That scares me.
A
Oh, my God.
B
Oh, my God. My mom had a co worker a million years ago, but I just remember what spooked me when she told me this. That she said. My mom just said, yeah, she's having, like, these really scary sleep issues. And I said, what is so scary? And she woke up and she pulled her sheets back, and there was grass and mud in her bed. She had left and come back.
A
It came back.
B
That is. I have gooseies.
A
Why does that goozies? Why does that give me chills?
B
That's scary. That would Scare me. Especially a woman to go out by.
A
It's the grass and mud for me. Sleepwalking as a woman, fine. But coming back to a bed with grass and mud.
B
I opened the sheets, I stole a bunch of stuff.
A
Literally. Oh, no.
B
I committed crimes.
A
Oh, no. I read a book like that once.
B
Where she was a kleptomaniac.
A
She was. And woke up with a bunch of shit. Was it in her house? No. Yes. Yes. It was a smut.
B
Ha ha.
A
You know, I don't read normal books. Of course there was fucking in it, but I don't remember the premise.
B
Oh, sounds like she's a kleptomaniac. He was the cops and the catcher.
A
That's likely the case.
B
And then he was like, why you got all this stuff in your bed?
A
I remember it was a paranormal romance.
B
Shut up.
A
They were setting us up because she was actually like an apparitional ghost thing. So she could like come and go in her physical form. She could disappear. But she didn't know this. She was still mortal at the time. So she was waking up, or so they thought. And sleepwalking. She was actually just disappearing and asleep and coming back.
B
He became a ghost while. During sex.
A
While they were having sex. A lot of ghosts. That was probably during the ghost book era.
B
Honestly, I love that you had a ghost book era.
A
I did. Heavily speaking.
B
Should we choose a new smut to read?
A
Yeah. Did you read. Did you start book two of the Other of the Ever King yet?
B
I keep getting put up because we, as you know, we have been so busy. I keep starting to read it and honestly, I just have too much to do to have a little pleasure read.
A
A little pleasure read. Do we want it to be like a little sassy paranormal one?
B
I don't know. I've never read a paranormal romance. I don't know if I'm gonna like it.
A
I would love it if you like Romantasy.
B
Yeah. Paranormal is different than fantasy though, right?
A
Yeah, but it's like werewolves and shit. Werewolves, vampires, all that's considered paranormal.
B
Anything that any man that turns into an animal, I'm all over it. And I don't know why.
A
This was like the OG genre before Romantasy was coined on TikTok. This is both. Yeah, no, just like vampires and werewolves and like different beings other than humans.
B
Oh, I like paranormal.
A
I mean, I love fans. Fae were considered paranormal books before Romantasy became a thing.
B
Okay. Yeah.
A
And now we're specifying fantasy and all that.
B
Okay.
A
But this is right up your alley, diva.
B
Yeah.
A
We'll find one.
B
Diva Go.
A
Yeah, Diva Go.
B
You know what? Hell, yeah.
A
Hell, yeah.
B
You know what? Hell yeah.
A
Do a little click. Cause you know I like when you do that. Mm.
B
We have got to get out our zoo.
A
Mm.
B
Well, we have reviewed all of your comments, and overwhelmingly, people want another book club episode. They want us to choose another book. You guys sent in a lot of requests.
A
We didn't listen to any of those.
B
Well, that's not totally true. We've read a lot of them already.
A
It's true.
B
We will eventually go over some of the ones. Like, Tiffany had some reactions to the ones you recommended. We have read Fourth Wing.
A
Yep.
B
We have opinions. If you want to hear them, ask us. We'll do it in another episode.
A
We'll talk about it.
B
We have some hot takes.
A
Yep.
B
But tell us. Tell them what we've chosen. What you've chosen for book club.
A
Because if it's bad, it falls on me.
B
Yeah.
A
Okay. Our new book is called Drumroll, Please. Phantasma by Kaylie Smith. So I'd venture to say a lot of people may have already read this one because it has 42,000 reviews on Kindle Unlimited, which is really good. Mostly five stars, which is also very exciting.
B
Oh, that's great.
A
Yeah. I'm not gonna read the description because it's super, super long, but I will read some of the tropes because we got excited when we heard the tropes.
B
Hit me with it.
A
Everything we like. Okay, first up, we've got forced proximity.
B
Ooh.
A
Shared bed scenario, most likely. Oh, yeah. We've got forbidden romance.
B
Oh, oh.
A
Ghost Necromancer, which we all know. I love a ghost romance.
B
What's up, Necromancer? I don't know about all that.
A
I don't know about that. That's kind of scary. But we're down for it. Mutual pining. Because we don't want her liking him back.
B
We don't like that. That's weird.
A
Cinnamon roll. MMC for his fmc. So he's a cinnamon roll for her, but only for her. Otherwise, he's really mean, and everyone's like, I'm scared of him. Exactly. Exactly. We've got in quotations, who did this to you? And we've also got in quotations. Touch him and die.
B
Oh, oh, oh.
A
Or Touch her and die.
B
Oh, oh, oh.
A
Trials, a Battle Royale, a haunted mansion, Gothic New Orleans setting, and disability OCD representation.
B
Well, then let's do it. It sounds great and inclusive and fun and, like, there's a lot of sex and stuff.
A
It's gonna be great.
B
I love that stuff. And I hope it's gonna be really good for everyone involved.
A
I think so, too.
B
Yeah. I hope you guys. I hope you guys just do it.
A
And like it, because we don't know anything about it either.
B
We don't know anything about it. So if we hate it, we can hate it together.
A
So if it's bad, don't be mad at us. So y' all got four weeks? Four weeks, Roughly.
B
You want to give them a month?
A
Yeah. Cause this one's shorter than Quicksilver. Also, this is. Oh, yeah, we should know. This is not a 600 page read. This is 428 pages cover to cover. So I think four weeks is enough time for us all to lock in.
B
All right, we'll circle back with the book. But don't worry, you won't have to wait that long for another episode. We're still making them. But thanks for your patience while we're having our little summer.
A
Summer liaison.
B
Yeah, a little hot girl summer liaison, if you will. Our sabbatical. Yeah, but. Love you guys. We love you so much. And last episode, we didn't say sure by diva.
A
Oh, we've got you this time. On three.
B
One, two, three. Diva.
A
And remember, we're your girls.
B
Cause we're your girl.
A
Hey. Cause I like how you do.
B
Warrior Girls is hosted and executive produced by Taryn Delaney Smith and Tiffany Singleton Management by social media. Produced by Good mess Media. Follow us on all platforms at wearyourgirlspod.
Podcast Summary: "My oh my sweet Louisa"
We're Your Girls
Host/Authors: Good Mess Media
Release Date: May 23, 2025
In the "My oh my sweet Louisa" episode of We're Your Girls, hosts Taryn Delaney Smith (A) and Tiffany Singleton (B) delve into a heartfelt and humorous exploration of friendship, self-expression through fashion, personal insecurities, creative endeavors, and the quirks of their sleep experiences. This episode is a tapestry of candid conversations, shared stories, and mutual support, encapsulating the essence of sisterhood and personal growth.
The conversation kicks off with a reflective discussion on how each host approaches fashion and the pressures associated with it. Tiffany opens up about her journey towards dressing for herself rather than succumbing to societal expectations:
Tiffany (B) [06:25]: "I'm railing against it all the time and I want women to rail against."
Taryn admires Tiffany's authenticity and contrasts it with her own background in costume design:
Taryn (A) [08:22]: "I always dressed like a 40-year-old receptionist... I worship the craft."
The dialogue emphasizes the importance of dressing authentically and the impact of supportive friendships in fostering personal style:
Tiffany (B) [08:38]: "Being in your proximity has made me inspired to dress for me."
Tiffany shares a humorous and relatable story about falling asleep on a park bench in New York City, highlighting the quirks of their friendship and the challenges of balancing personal life with public appearances:
Tiffany (B) [12:31]: "My husband does not like it when I do things that he thinks are dangerous... I find my car and climbed in."
Taryn responds with empathy and humor, reinforcing their bond:
Taryn (A) [17:52]: "I want you to know that's the funniest thing."
The hosts transition into discussing their creative processes, particularly how their dreams influence their artistic outputs. Tiffany recounts her experience of waking up with song lyrics from a dream:
Tiffany (B) [31:26]: "I just have to figure out, what does that even mean?"
Taryn shares her disciplined approach to creativity, drawing from her background in costume design and production:
Taryn (A) [22:19]: "I waited till the week before juries to decide... I did Cinderella."
The interplay between dreaming and creativity is further explored, showcasing how subconscious thoughts fuel their artistic endeavors:
Tiffany (B) [33:00]: "My sweet Louisa, my dear... It became a vocal we would go up to."
Towards the episode's conclusion, Taryn and Tiffany introduce their upcoming book club selection, Drumroll, Please. Phantasma by Kaylie Smith. They enthusiastically discuss the book's tropes, signaling their excitement and inclusivity:
Taryn (A) [43:03]: "Shared bed scenario, forbidden romance, ghost necromancer..."
Tiffany (B) [44:10]: "We have got to get out our zoo... We're choosing Drumroll, Please. Phantasma."
Their conversation underscores their commitment to engaging with diverse literary genres and fostering a community through shared reading experiences.
The episode concludes with a light-hearted exchange about their differing sleep experiences. Tiffany reminisces about past sleepwalking incidents and the resulting humorous aftermath:
Tiffany (B) [37:33]: "I was walking and talking... I am happy. I don't do it anymore."
Taryn contrasts this with her own experiences of sleep talking and the challenges of insomnia:
Taryn (A) [20:08]: "Two nights ago I could not fall asleep to save my life... suffering from sleep inabilities."
Their candid sharing not only entertains but also highlights the vulnerabilities and unique traits that define their friendship.
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Conclusion
In "My oh my sweet Louisa," We're Your Girls delivers an engaging blend of humor, honesty, and heartfelt dialogue. Taryn and Tiffany's seamless interaction provides listeners with relatable insights into the complexities of self-expression, the depths of friendship, and the fascinating ways creativity intersects with daily life. This episode not only entertains but also inspires, fostering a sense of connection and understanding among its audience.
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