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Monsieur Tran Van Hue
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Paul de Vrain
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Narrator (Kelly Marie Tran)
My name is Trinh, and this is Saigon. The story of my family and of the country that shaped us.
Joseph Sherman
The United States will not stand by and allow any power, however great, to take over another country.
Monsieur Hugh
This unnatural excursion has brought only confusion. There can be no peace without justice, and there can be no justice without peace.
Narrator (Kelly Marie Tran)
Chapter 1. In 1935, a tennis match was played in Saigon, Cirque Sportif. But it was far from an ordinary tennis match. It was the final of the Saigon City Championship and and the first time ever a Vietnamese national had qualified to play against the French champion, Jules Pineau. Only a few years earlier, our French rulers had needed tanks and artillery to defeat a proud Vietnamese resistance demanding independence. And after gaining victory, they guillotined over 200 Vietnamese insurgents. But the widespread desire for independence had not been defeated. It had only been silenced. And now, behind the genteel mask of a tennis match, it exploded to the surface. There are two young men in the crowd watching the game. An American and a Frenchman. They had been childhood friends and had met again after 11 years. That very morning, in fact, when the American, whose name is Joseph, arrived at the Continental Palace Hotel in Saigon.
Monsieur Hugh
Bonjour, monsieur.
Paul de Vrain
Bonjour. I have a room booked. The name's Joseph Sherman. Joseph Sherman. Ah, yes, Joseph.
Monsieur Hugh
But, Paul, My God, it really is you.
Captain Devereaux
So good to see you again, mon ami. My God, you haven't changed a bit.
Paul de Vrain
Neither of you. But how did you even know I was coming?
Captain Devereaux
You made the morning's papers. Look. Senator Sherman's son returns to Saigon. Ten years after tragedy.
Paul de Vrain
Let me see that. Okay. Well, that's unexpected.
Captain Devereaux
It made me think. About. Well, they were good times. But about your father too. What about coffee. Du cafes? You believe now, what are you up to, Joseph? Tell me everything.
Paul de Vrain
I'm actually here writing a piece for the Chronicle. But honestly, what I really wanted to do was have an excuse to come back. What about you?
Captain Devereaux
Now I'm with the gendarmerie.
Paul de Vrain
The gendarmerie? I never saw you as a policeman. Well, you were always a bit of a rebel.
Captain Devereaux
I'm the sort of Frenchman who wants to keep law and order by embracing Vietnamese culture, not fighting it.
Paul de Vrain
See, that sounds like the Paul I knew when I was. Gosh, what were we, 15?
Monsieur Hugh
16.
Captain Devereaux
On that hunting trip. I just turned 16.
Paul de Vrain
Pretty young, when you think about it.
Captain Devereaux
Well, there have been some exciting times while you've been away.
Paul de Vrain
You mean the battle for independence?
Captain Devereaux
Yes. That was ugly. Luckily, we brought everything back under control, though.
Paul de Vrain
I'm sure you did. Although I doubt you've really changed the way the Vietnamese feel.
Captain Devereaux
No, but we have stopped the violence. They're learning to be civilized now. In fact, you should come out to the Cercle Sportif today. Oh, There is a tennis match on the men's singles final, actually. Merte, what's the time? We have to go.
Paul de Vrain
What, now?
Captain Devereaux
Absolute, mon. Drink up, Garon. La dicion. The whole city's treating this tennis match like a proxy fight between the locals and their French masters. That's how they express their feelings now, you see, on the tennis court, much more reasonable and in fact, you'll love this. The local boys. Tran Van Kim.
Paul de Vrain
Wait, you mean our Kim? Yes, A skinny, shy kid who followed us everywhere.
Captain Devereaux
That's him.
Paul de Vrain
That's incredible. Gotta be good to see him again.
Captain Devereaux
He's become quite a playboy.
Paul de Vrain
You don't say.
Captain Devereaux
And you remember Kim's sister, Lan?
Paul de Vrain
Yeah, she never said much. Just a little girl. Right.
Captain Devereaux
Well, she's a real beauty now. She? Come on. We're here.
Paul de Vrain
Voila. Land. You sound smitten.
Captain Devereaux
She's 20 now. And she wears the Aodai like an angel. So beautiful. Well, a man can dream, Joseph. And plan. But I have to impress her father more than her. That's the first step.
Paul de Vrain
Yes, of course.
Captain Devereaux
This way. Members enclosure,
Monsieur Hugh
bonjour.
Captain Devereaux
Yes,
Monsieur Hugh
Captain Devrough. Of course.
Paul de Vrain
Enjoy the match. Your name obviously opens gates, huh?
Captain Devereaux
It's more because of my father than me. Oh, he's in the administration.
Paul de Vrain
What's happening over there?
Captain Devereaux
That's him. That's Kim. In the middle of all those young women.
Monsieur Hugh
Unbelievable.
Captain Devereaux
I told you, he's a bit of a playboy now.
Paul de Vrain
He's not the skinny shy kid anymore, is he?
Captain Devereaux
Well, not anymore. Oh, we're over here. Excuse me. Siu plais. Pardon.
Monsieur Tran Van Hue
Thank you.
Narrator (Kelly Marie Tran)
They threaded their way to the members enclosure, which was a roped off section of the best seats, where Joseph.
Captain Devereaux
Ah, lan.
Lan
It is Joseph, isn't it? Joseph Sherman.
Captain Devereaux
You remember him?
Lan
Of course. I read you were back. Oh, and such a pleasure to see you again, Monsieur de Vrain.
Captain Devereaux
Likewise, likewise.
Paul de Vrain
But you were just. I never would have recognized you.
Lan
Yes, I was just a little girl when you were here the first time. But it's so good to see you again.
Paul de Vrain
Sorry. I'm amazed you remember me.
Lan
You made quite an impression. A teenage American boy who was so kind to his friend's little sister.
Paul de Vrain
Good. I hope seeing me again doesn't spoil the memory.
Lan
No, on the contrary.
Captain Devereaux
So, can you watch the match with us, Lance?
Lan
I would love to.
Captain Devereaux
Well, let me present Joseph to your father. And we'll be down in a minute.
Lan
I'll save us some seats.
Captain Devereaux
Well, well.
Paul de Vrain
Yeah, you were right. She's. She's beautiful.
Captain Devereaux
I told you. And in need of a good French husband, according to her father, Monsieur Tran Van Hue. Oh, come on, I'll introduce you. He's over there with my father. Father. Monsieur Hugh, please allow me to introduce Joseph Sherman out here from the United States.
Monsieur Tran Van Hue
Not the senator's youngest son?
Captain Devereaux
Yes.
Monsieur Tran Van Hue
You're back after all this time. What a pleasant surprise. What happened on that trip was so tragic.
Paul de Vrain
Monsieur Shaman. Yes, it was a tragedy, but time heals all wounds.
Monsieur Hugh
Maybe. Maybe.
Paul de Vrain
Do you still take groups out hunting?
Monsieur Tran Van Hue
No, no, I never did after.
Captain Devereaux
No. My father's now the deputy chief of the S. General.
Monsieur Hugh
Oh.
Paul de Vrain
Congratulations. Though I imagine keeping the peace in Saigon is a tough job.
Monsieur Tran Van Hue
Well, it's simply a question of balance, monsieur.
Monsieur Hugh
Ah, you're too modest, Monsieur Davrox. It is only through your constant vigilance
Monsieur Tran Van Kim
that our streets are peaceful and the people prosperous.
Monsieur Tran Van Hue
I'm pleased to hear you acknowledge our efforts.
Monsieur Hugh
But of course, the civilizing influence of French culture has helped all of Vietnam.
Monsieur Tran Van Hue
I wish you could explain that to your younger generation.
Monsieur Hugh
In time, they will learn to appreciate what France has given us, Monsieur Devereux.
Monsieur Tran Van Hue
Well, I'm not sure they want to learn. Or maybe they can't learn. Your son went to Paris, and all he learned was how to play tennis and seduce women.
Monsieur Hugh
Maybe.
Captain Devereaux
And how to eat well. You cannot have acquired the physique he has now from rice and noodles.
Monsieur Tran Van Hue
Anyway, this afternoon will be interesting. Let's see if your boy can addle pressure. I hope he knows who he's up against today.
Monsieur Hugh
Of course, Monsieur Pinault is the champion. My boy just wants to put up a good showing.
Captain Devereaux
Come on, Joseph. They're getting ready to start. We should find our seats, Father.
Monsieur Tran Van Hue
Enjoy the game, monsieur.
Captain Devereaux
Here.
Narrator (Kelly Marie Tran)
Pino began the game strongly, with fast serves down the middle of the tee. But while he quickly raced to a three love lead, those who knew the game soon saw a pattern developing.
Captain Devereaux
These rallies are getting longer.
Lan
Yes, I think my brother is fitter.
Narrator (Kelly Marie Tran)
Soon it was 5 4. And although Pino was serving for the set, fatigue was taking its toll. And Pino's mistakes were mounting.
Paul de Vrain
He's playing with such heart, you could feel the crowd behind him.
Joseph Sherman
Yeah,
Monsieur Hugh
He bouffles, he longs out.
Paul de Vrain
I think your brother's going to win this set. He's running Pinot off his feet. Okay.
Narrator (Kelly Marie Tran)
Kim did win the first set and quickly established a lead in the second as the French champion, Monsieur Pinault, grew more and more exhausted. Until finally, on one point, he dived to reach the ball and crashed heavily to the ground.
Paul de Vrain
I think it's his knee.
Captain Devereaux
Well, hopefully he can run it off.
Paul de Vrain
What's happened? Why is the crowd so angry? Kim's playing wonderful tennis.
Captain Devereaux
He's hitting the ground. Strokes from one corner to the other. He's making Pino run when he's injured, he's playing well.
Paul de Vrain
What's wrong with that? Isn't that the point?
Lan
The problem is, Mr. Sherman, he's humiliating his opponent and Whipping up the crowd.
Paul de Vrain
Now. What's going on? What are they saying?
Captain Devereaux
There's some trouble in the crowd. They are chanting. All French are dogs. The umpire needs to stop the match. Monsieur. Oh, my God.
Paul de Vrain
What's happening?
Captain Devereaux
I've got to go and help break it up. Lan, it's getting ugly. I don't think you should be here. Joseph, can you escort?
Paul de Vrain
Yes, of course, lan. You know the way?
Lan
Yes, Outside.
Narrator (Kelly Marie Tran)
Joseph hailed a horse drawn Malabar.
Paul de Vrain
Okay, where are we going?
Lan
Le Square de la Catedral. La Villa Imperial.
Paul de Vrain
Here, let me help you out.
Monsieur Hugh
There you go.
Lan
Thank you, Mr. German, for being kind enough to take care of me. I'm sorry you had to see such ugly things happen. Unfortunately, the hearts of many Vietnamese are filled with hatred.
Paul de Vrain
No, no, not at all. I'm. I'm glad to help. L. And I. And I have to say I. I envy Paul.
Lan
You? Envy?
Monsieur Tran Van Hue
Oh.
Lan
Oh, no. Captain Dev is a good friend, Mr. Sherman, but that is all.
Monsieur Tran Van Hue
Oh, well, he's.
Paul de Vrain
He's very fond of you. He told me so.
Lan
And my father admires him greatly. He believes he's a fine young man.
Paul de Vrain
He is. He is.
Lan
He will be most unhappy with Kim.
Paul de Vrain
Paul will be.
Lan
No, my father. He will be very upset. Oh, please stay with me until he returns home.
Paul de Vrain
Oh, yes, of course. It'll be my pleasure.
Lan
Please, this way.
Paul de Vrain
Oh, this is beautiful, lan.
Lan
Thank you. How long will you be staying in Saigon, Monsieur Sherman?
Paul de Vrain
Oh, well, I was heading to Hanoi on Tuesday, so at the moment, only two or three days, but I could extend that.
Lan
Hanoi?
Paul de Vrain
Yes. I've been granted access to the court records of earlier Vietnamese emperors. I'm here to write a feature article on Vietnam.
Lan
Oh, but after the tragedy of your first visit.
Paul de Vrain
That wasn't Vietnam's fault. That was all my father's doing. He dreamt he was a great white hunter. That he could be the king of the jungle and shoot his way through a herd of wild bison. He was warned to be careful, and he wasn't. So, yes, it cost him his life.
Lan
So sad for a young boy to lose his father.
Paul de Vrain
Thank you. I. I remember. You cried for him.
Lan
No. I cried for you. The little boy who lost his father. Joseph, there's something I've been meaning to ask you.
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Joseph Sherman
I will do it all again tomorrow.
Monsieur Hugh
The privilege I have brought you all you want to do.
Joseph Sherman
Father is any French slave.
Monsieur Hugh
Oui, monsieur.
Joseph Sherman
Non, monsieur. Can you hear yourself?
Monsieur Hugh
It is about respect, Monsieur Simon.
Paul de Vrain
Just leave him. Monsieur.
Monsieur Hugh
Thank you for looking after my daughter.
Paul de Vrain
My pleasure.
Lan
I will see you out, Monsieur Charman.
Paul de Vrain
Thank you.
Joseph Sherman
I won that game, Father. I won it for Vietnam.
Monsieur Hugh
Oh, be honest, Kim. You won it for you. You only pretend to be a committed nationalist.
Joseph Sherman
I am a committed nationalist.
Monsieur Hugh
You're a privileged playboy. The privilege I have bought you means that you don't have to work for anything. You can just eat and train and then win a tennis match so you can sleep with all the women you want. You dress it up as nationalism.
Joseph Sherman
All I wanted to do was to embarrass the French dogs who have robbed our country.
Monsieur Hugh
Nonsense. Do you think I'm blind? You have endangered our business and our family for nothing. For cheap sex.
Monsieur Tran Van Hue
That is not true.
Monsieur Hugh
You hide behind these slogans of nationalism, but you have no real commitment to that cause at all. You have not shown any real commitment to anything. I have bred a shallow, selfish son who cannot make any sacrifice at all. Yes, losing today would have been a sacrifice. Yes, it would have been a sacrifice for your family. Leave my house. Get out.
Monsieur Tran Van Hue
Father.
Monsieur Hugh
Ah, Lan. I trust you enjoyed the afternoon with Captain Devereaux.
Lan
Very much. And Mr. Sherman was also kind to me.
Monsieur Hugh
I hope Captain Devereux did not consider Kim's actions reflected any. Any united family posture.
Lan
No, Father, not at all. He knew how upset you would be, and I thought it best to offer no comment. Not without hearing your advice first.
Monsieur Tran Van Kim
Very wise, Bun.
Monsieur Hugh
It is important you stay in Captain Devereaux's favor.
Monsieur Tran Van Kim
Yes,
Lan
of course, Father.
Monsieur Hugh
What was that, Kim?
Lan
Should I go and check?
Monsieur Hugh
No. Do not see him. He is leaving this house.
Lan
Leaving?
Monsieur Hugh
He treats the family. He treats me with total contempt. Ever since he got home from Paris. And after today and all that complete disrespect, he has to go.
Lan
I understand. Is there anything else I. I can do for you, Father?
Monsieur Hugh
No.
Monsieur Tran Van Kim
I have business to attend to.
Monsieur Hugh
We dine at six.
Narrator (Kelly Marie Tran)
This was a family divided in a country divided. And their paths would soon be swept up in the hurricane of history.
Monsieur Hugh
3000 piastra. Duty owed on imports.
Joseph Sherman
I thought you'd be here.
Monsieur Hugh
I told you to go. Huh?
Joseph Sherman
And I will. When I'm ready. Hey.
Monsieur Hugh
Hey. What are you doing? Huh?
Monsieur Tran Van Kim
Is.
Monsieur Hugh
Is that. Is that blood on it? Monde. You've got blood everywhere.
Joseph Sherman
Don't worry. I'm going. But not without a gift. Something you can remember me by.
Monsieur Hugh
What. What is this?
Joseph Sherman
Your future. The family heritage.
Monsieur Hugh
What have you done?
Joseph Sherman
My manhood.
Narrator (Kelly Marie Tran)
And Monsieur Hugh realized the bloody mess in the bag was his son's scrotum. He had castrated himself.
Monsieur Hugh
No, I.
Joseph Sherman
You don't think I can make a sacrifice? You don't think I'm serious about a free Vietnam. Well, this is me. This is what I am now. So you just go and hiding here in fear of being a problem. You're the disgrace of the family, Father. You, not me. Goodbye.
Narrator (Kelly Marie Tran)
It was the last time Kim would ever see his father and the impact of that explosive afternoon would ripple down the years in ever expanding ways. Never again would one tennis match change so much for so many.
Monsieur Tran Van Kim
Saigon is a production of Thoroughbred Studios, Goldhawk Productions and iHeart Podcasts starring Kelly Marie Tran and Rob Benedict. Based on the best selling novel Saigon by Anthony Gray. It is created for audio by Greg Hadrick and Jeremy Fox, written by Greg Hadrick and directed by John Scott Dryden. Original music is by Sasha Putnam with additional performances by Ngo Ming Nie and Le Tybich Chia. Editing and sound design is by Eloise Whitmore. The series producer is Emma Hearn. The producer in Vietnam is Phat Mang Nien. The executive producers are Jeremy Fox, Greg Hadrick, John Scott Dryden, Howard Stringer and Jason English.
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Podcast: What Happened in Nashville / iHeartPodcasts
Date: May 22, 2026
Host/Narrator: Kelly Marie Tran
This episode launches "Saigon," a dramatic audio series set against the backdrop of colonial Vietnam in the 1930s. Chapter 1 — "The Final Set" — uses a high-stakes tennis match between a local Vietnamese upstart and the French city champion as a lens to explore issues of colonial oppression, family dynamics, nationalism, and personal sacrifice. Through richly drawn character interactions and escalating tensions, the episode reflects on the struggle for Vietnamese independence and the divisive impact of colonialism on families and society.
“You don’t think I can make a sacrifice? You don’t think I’m serious about a free Vietnam? Well, this is me. This is what I am now.” — Kim to his father (22:38)
On Colonial Rule:
“There can be no peace without justice, and there can be no justice without peace.” — Monsieur Hugh (02:29)
On National Identity:
“I won that game, Father. I won it for Vietnam.” — Kim (23:23)
“Be honest, Kim. You won it for you. You only pretend to be a committed nationalist.” — Monsieur Hugh (23:25)
The Ultimate Sacrifice:
“Don’t worry. I’m going… But not without a gift. Something you can remember me by… Your future. The family heritage.” — Kim, revealing the self-castration (22:11–22:15)
“You don’t think I can make a sacrifice? … Well, this is me.” — Kim (22:38)
Family Rift:
“I have bred a shallow, selfish son who cannot make any sacrifice at all. Yes, losing today would have been a sacrifice. Yes, it would have been a sacrifice for your family. Leave my house. Get out.” — Monsieur Hugh (19:05–19:31)
The episode is richly cinematic, blending melodrama and historical realism. Exchanges alternate between tenderness, nostalgia, biting irony, and deep-seated rage. The narration and dialogue elevate personal and family drama into political allegory—with themes of pride, shame, and the trauma of colonialism woven throughout.
"Saigon" Chapter 1 sets the stage for a sweeping family saga and national tragedy, told through the prism of one fateful afternoon. The episode pulls listeners into the politics of colonial Vietnam while rooting the story in intimate human conflicts, making palpable the costs of resistance and the shattering divisiveness of a nation in search of itself.