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Lily Phillips
Super real, honestly. We just had a steady flow of guys for about 14 hours. That's kind of how the day went. We had like some groups at the start just to get the numbers up a little bit.
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Julian Morgans
And when they came in, did you have a sort of formula for like, hello, what's your name and what star sign are you?
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Lily Phillips
Yeah, I mean, I definitely come in, be like, hi, what's your name? Where are you from? You know, I was just like, oh, take your trousers off. You can put them here. And then once they'd done that, we kind of got straight to it. I'd give them my phone to film on and that's kind of how it went.
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Julian Morgans
Hey, I'm Julian Morgans and you're listening to what It Was like, the show that asks people who have lived through big dramatic events what it was like. So you might not know this, but something unusual has been happening in the world of porn recently. And it's got to do with world records. So porn, it's always attracted big headline grabbing stunts. You know, breaking records is nothing New in the industry, I think one of the most Notorious happened in 2004. A woman, a performer named Lisa Sparks, she set this record. I think it actually happened in Poland. It was 919 sexual partners in 24 hours. That has been the record, the world record. It's in, you know, the Guinness Book of World Records. Remember that book? It's been there for, for years and years. Until late last year, just October, this 23 year old British performer, some of you might know her, her name's Lily Phillips. And she announced that she was going to take on this record. She announced that she planned to break it and she was going to have sex with a thousand men. Except first up, she was going to do just like a bit of a, like a bit of a practice run. So she announced to her fairly sizable following on Instagram and OnlyFans, hey, I'm going to have sex with a hundred men in a single evening. And she actually recruited volunteers. So people who are fans, they, they signed up and they attended this event in London. And, and the whole thing, the whole thing was filmed by YouTuber, his name's Josh Peters. Again, some of you might know him, and he documented this event and he put up the video end of last year. And I watched this and what stood out to me was that was this moment afterwards. Picture this, right? It's sort of late at night. Lily has just had sex with a hundred men in a couple of hours. And she breaks down, she's in tears and she admits to the camera crew that it was much harder than she expected. Not just physically, but mentally. And you can see that the whole thing really took a toll. And I watched this, I was like, okay, this is like, this is a bit dark, but it's, you know, it's pretty interesting. So I sort of took notice of this event. And then a couple of days later, this other performer, her name's Bonnie Blue, and she stepped in and she broke the record that had originally been set by Lisa Sparks. And she broke, broke the record that Lily Phillips had announced that she was going to take on. And she did this stunt where she had sex with 1057 men in one day. So she blew past both Lily's pledge and the original record. And all of this just made me wonder what, what is happening here? What is happening here in porn, where these stunts have just, have just become a thing? I mean, is this, is this a pursuit of fame? Is it money? Or is it more only fan subscribers? Also for these people, for these women, what's the impact on Their careers, their bodies. I mean, their minds. I just had so many questions, not just about Lily's experience, but just also about the logistics of it all. I mean, what does it actually take to pull off something like this? So today I'm speaking with Lily Phillips. She joined me from Las Vegas, where she's fresh off some unexpected news. You're going to hear about that in the interview and this episode. I think it's a really interesting one. So let's get into it. Here is Lily Phillips. Lily, welcome to the show.
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Lily Phillips
Thank you so much for having me on.
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Julian Morgans
Thanks for being on. It's a real pleasure to meet you.
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Lily Phillips
No, you too. You too.
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Julian Morgans
Were you always interested in performing? Where did that come from?
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Lily Phillips
Yeah, I mean, to be honest, I've always been super into the physical side of stuff and really artistic. So, like, in school I, like, excelled in stuff like drama and art, cooking. And as I got older, I started to realize that I had this, like, love for sex. And, you know, I was just really interested in it, really. And especially, like, sex work. I did always when I was younger, think I was going to be, like, glamour model or a stripper or something like that.
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Julian Morgans
Okay, so when you got a little older, my understanding is you got an OnlyFans. Is that. Is that kind of like where it started?
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Lily Phillips
Yeah, yeah, it started with an OnlyFans.
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Julian Morgans
Okay. And was that, I imagine, because you're pretty comfortable with your body, you like sex, and you probably want to make some money. Was this. Was this just an intersection between those things?
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Lily Phillips
Yeah, well, I was already doing Instagram. I was kind of being a bit of, like a micro influencer. I loved social media. Like, I loved being online and as well, Like, I just loved taking photos, I loved making videos. I'm just like, I feel like I'm pretty artistic like that. And then when OnlyFans came about, it kind of put two and two together. Like, two things I absolutely loved was, like, sex and, you know, taking photos and being artistic.
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Julian Morgans
Yeah. Cool. How do you feel about fame and attention?
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Lily Phillips
Fame and attention? I don't know. It can be really. I think the attention can honestly be quite bad. Like, I wish it didn't get as much attention because I get so much, like, hate for what I do when I'm just doing what I love. Like, it's really not that deep, you know?
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Julian Morgans
Yeah. I mean, a lot of men love porn, but a lot of men also hate porn or, like, for some weird reason, hate porn stars or get mad at porn stars. It's a complicated. It's A. It's a wild place out there on the Internet.
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Lily Phillips
Both are usually the ones that watch the most as well.
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Julian Morgans
Totally. Well, yeah, I can imagine. I can imagine. So how did you. How did you get into porn? I mean, can you tell me about your first video experience?
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Lily Phillips
Yeah, so it was probably about a year and a half ago. I really wanted to kind of take things further and do the more kind of like, actual porn side of things. I'd obviously already done like, loads of stuff in my personal life and, yeah, just wanted to start showing that on screen and. Yeah, just doing what I actually enjoyed in real life because a lot of the stuff I used to film was really solo stuff. But, yeah, honestly, it really wasn't that hard to take the leap. Like, I knew a lot of people in the industry, so that's just kind of how I got into it.
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Julian Morgans
Okay. I mean, you say it didn't feel like a big leap, but then it seems to me like once you put up a video of yourself having sex with someone on the Internet, like, it's going to be there forever. Did you have any. I mean, like, I'm sure you get this question all the time, but your family, were you kind of like, oh, what's mom going to think?
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Lily Phillips
You know what? I know my parents are always going to back me and stuff like that. And at the end of the day, I think they would rather have me happy and doing what I enjoy than, you know, in a job that I hate.
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Julian Morgans
Who are your parents? Like, what. What do they do? What's their sort of like? I don't know. They sort of conservative or are they kind of, like, outgoing like you?
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Lily Phillips
Yeah, I mean, my parents are great. I don't. I don't really. I don't love to talk about them, if I'm honest. If that's okay.
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Julian Morgans
That's completely fine. Completely understandable. Thank you. I mean, I guess. I guess the question is much more like, like, socially sort of. What background did you come from?
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Lily Phillips
Yeah, I mean, my parents are, like, confident, and so me and my brother. But yeah, they're quite normal. They're very normal.
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Julian Morgans
Nice. Okay. So you start putting up a couple of videos, you start getting some attention. I mean, is it. When I glance at pornhub and I'm like, you know, you sort of see that front page there? And it's like. I mean, I don't know. I assume that the pornhub algorithm works just like any other sort of algorithm on the Internet where the most viewed videos sort of cycle to the top, you know? Important. Is it hard to get attention? Is it hard to get noticed and to get on that front page?
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Lily Phillips
Um, it's tricky, really. It honestly just depends on marketing and who you are. And sometimes just a bit of luck, if you built up all your social media before that, you can promote it on your social media. So that helps get you viewers, and then it will help to push your video and things like that. Just little things.
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Julian Morgans
I mean, you're basically describing the mechanics of a podcast as well. Like, we're all in this race to sort of get attention on the Internet and making porn and making podcasts. Sounds like the rules are kind of similar.
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Lily Phillips
No, no, definitely. I mean, social media is all kind of very similar, whether it's porn or whether it's Christian content. You know, you're just trying to get the algorithm to like you.
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Julian Morgans
Yeah. Okay, so why do you think? Because there's a lot of people doing porn out there, like, and you took off pretty quick. What do you think you were bringing the Internet that made you take off so fast?
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Lily Phillips
You know What? It was 100% marketing. I really marketed myself before I even went did the porn side of things. I had already built my social media up a lot and kind of already knew the ways social media works where, like, that was already three years of work. Just that. And so that's why then when I started porn, it kind of immediately did well.
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Julian Morgans
Okay, so three years. Are you. You're a person who's like, posting daily on Instagram or like, how does that work?
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Lily Phillips
I don't post daily on Instagram. I post daily on my only fans. I post daily on Twitter. I try to post daily on TikTok. It doesn't always happen, but yeah, honestly, for me, social media is consistency and marketing. Those are your two things you have to look at. How are you gonna. How are you marketing yourself? And doesn't mean to say you have to do the most extreme stuff. It's just like, how do you want to be perceived by everyone?
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Julian Morgans
Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah. Well, let's get to the extreme stuff in just a sec. But I'm really interested in this intersection between to make it in porn. These days. It sounds like there's a lot of basically influencing involved. You know, you treat it like you would an influencer.
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Lily Phillips
Well, now that we've gone to OnlyFans, it has taken away that pimp. You know, it's taken away the middleman. We get to create our own content, put out what we want, and be our own bosses, which is absolutely great. So I'D rather have that. But it also means that we have to utilize social media to promote ourselves. Whereas, you know, in porn, when, you know, when they didn't have onlyfans, you would just. You'd have your pimp, you show up to set, you'd get paid and go home, and you wouldn't have to do anything else. Whereas the shift now to onlyfans, it means that, you know, you do have to promote yourself on social media. That is how the whole thing works.
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Julian Morgans
Got it. Okay. And do you get paid from the companies that shoot your videos or is it all through OnlyFans?
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Lily Phillips
It really depends. If I do studio stuff, I'll get paid. But the stuff also I shoot where it's like very amateur style and it's like just someone comes to my house, I don't get paid through anyone. Does that make sense? I'll get paid for any funds.
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Julian Morgans
Okay, got it. I mean, can I ask, what do you get paid for the average pawn shoot from a studio these days?
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Lily Phillips
Average pawn shoot. So I charge for my boy girl, currently. I currently charge 2,500. But for me, that's not really about the money. Like, I want to do that for the experience and the enjoyment out of it. I am quite selective with my studio work, though, because I just want to do stuff that I enjoy.
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Julian Morgans
Yeah. Cool. Okay. So 2,500 per scene?
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Lily Phillips
Yeah.
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Julian Morgans
Okay. And does that go up depending on what you're getting up to?
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Lily Phillips
Yeah, definitely. I think for a studio. My, like, threesomes, two, if I had two guys and me, I think it's like 3,000 or something like that. Yeah, it really depends on what we're up to.
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Julian Morgans
Okay, well, I wanted to talk to you about this. This big. This big thing. I'm kind of inclined to call it a stunt, but I don't know if that's fair. Like, would you call it a stunt?
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Lily Phillips
Probably more of an event.
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Julian Morgans
An event. That's a better word. Okay. So sleeping with a hundred guys, my first question is, like, why?
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Lily Phillips
Why? You know what? I just really want to create some really unique content that people haven't seen before. Whether that's high numbers or whether that's, you know, doing like a skydive or something really cool. Like, I just want to create content that I haven't seen before. For me, for a year, I was probably like six months I was doing content that, like, I saw, seen everyone else. And it was kind of mundane and a bit boring. And a lot of the guys in it were professionals. And it's not that Realistic and like that. Yeah, that's. That is fun, don't get me wrong. But it's also not realistic to the viewer. Like, I want to make my content as like interactive and relatable and as possible as well. Yeah, I just want to honestly broaden my, my portfolio of like videos I've shot and stuff like that.
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Julian Morgans
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. And so how did that journey start for you? Do you, do you like, start by putting the word out, like, who wants to come to my orgy? Or like, what, like, where do you begin?
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Lily Phillips
Yeah, honestly, like just putting my address online. Whoever can show up can show up kind of thing.
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Julian Morgans
Okay. And you know, I know that you've got like agency representation. You know, did you have to run it past those guys? So is there any sort of like boring admin side to this?
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Lily Phillips
I don't have any agency representation or. I am genuinely my own boss and my own manager. I have staff, but they, you know, I have a personal assistant and then staff who helped me run some other bits like editing and scheduling and stuff like that. But other than that, it's all me.
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Julian Morgans
It's all you. So you're kind of like a small business owner?
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Lily Phillips
Yeah, yeah, I am.
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Julian Morgans
I find this sort of like secret, mundane world of porn probably more interesting than the surface level part of porn because it's so unexpected. I think a lot of people see porn still to this day. They sort of watch a video and they're like, oh, you know, these poor girls, they're like being sort of like coerced into this by like big dirty men and like. But you seem to be a case of where like you run this small business. Like you created a lot of your, this business model for yourself and you, you've got a bunch of stuff. I don't know, it's. I mean, it sounds empowering.
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Lily Phillips
Yeah, I 100% think it is. I think it's silly now that we look at porn. And I mean that there could. I'm not, I'm not going to speak for everyone. There definitely could be some girls who were being exploited in that situation 100%. But that is not the case for everyone. Especially now. There's onlyfans. You know, it really creates this kind of movement of women who want to be their own boss and want to be really creative and want to make content that they want to make. At the end of the day, like women do watch porn as well. We enjoy it as well. Like, it's not just. I hate how like male dominated it is with Viewers when like I have been watching porn my whole obviously since I was like, I think 18 and have always really enjoyed porn. And so it's just silly to think that like, you know, we're just creating it. You know, I want to create something I want to view as well. That's what I'm trying to say. Sorry.
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Julian Morgans
Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. I mean, that's kind of a relief. I sometimes have to admit I think of porn as kind of like this. It's almost like buying cage eggs from the supermarket. I don't know if you guys have got cage eggs in the uk, but you know, like they're, they're like eggs that are produced in like really bad farms for, bad for chickens. And I'm like, oh, you should get the free range one. You know, like. But, but, but you're telling me that actually the, the conditions in the modern porn industry, if you're running it yourself, are a lot gentler, less extractive, maybe 100%.
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Lily Phillips
When you go to one of these porn conventions, you realize, like, I've not yet met a girl who hasn't wanted to be in this industry and doesn't love it. I think to be in it, you have to love it because you know it's going to be a really hard job if you don't enjoy it because you're doing something so you're doing something so exposing like having sex and so raw. Damn, I haven't met any girls that don't enjoy, if I'm honest.
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Julian Morgans
Okay, what is, what is the thing that is so awesome about porn for you? For sex? Like, what's the thing about sex that just keeps you coming back?
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Lily Phillips
Honestly, I really think it's the energy exchange and like, especially when you're shooting with performer or shooting with a guy and like you're, you know, you can tell, like you just connect well and I can't really, I can't explain it, but I, I really enjoy it. You know, it's, it's hard to say. Like, it's just. Yeah, the energy for me.
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Julian Morgans
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Lily Phillips
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Julian Morgans
So 100 men in a day. So you decide to put a date on the calendar. Can you tell me about how you felt the morning of.
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Lily Phillips
Yeah, I mean I was really excited. I'd planned this for a while, so the day had finally come.
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Julian Morgans
And what was your plan?
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Lily Phillips
My plan? If I'm honest, I didn't have a massive plan. It was just to sleep with a hundred guys and give them all a five minute time limit. And yeah, just hope that there was a steady conveyor bout of guys throughout the day.
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Julian Morgans
Okay, and did you have anyone vetting the guys or had you vetted them yourself or like what was the process there?
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Lily Phillips
No, no, no. It was completely like down to my assistant. I just said invite. Like we said twice, I said invite 200 guys.
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Julian Morgans
Okay. Because you were thinking that maybe half of them would probably Flake.
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Lily Phillips
Yeah, 100%.
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Julian Morgans
Yeah. And did, did half of them flake?
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Lily Phillips
Oh, definitely. Definitely.
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Julian Morgans
That's so interesting. Next time I host a party and I'm like, no, a couple of people bailed, I can feel better about myself knowing that even People showing up to, like, a sex fest, they. They flake as well.
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Lily Phillips
Yeah, exactly. I know, I know. Which is understandable. Like, I don't want someone coming into this event if they're not 100% about it.
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Julian Morgans
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. All right, so, like, STI checks or any of that sort of, like, oh, and S. Kind of stuff, or you just.
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Lily Phillips
Yeah, definitely. I mean, we did, like, STI Tests on the days and things like that.
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Julian Morgans
Okay.
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Lily Phillips
And, yeah, just to my side, I didn't vet them because I didn't see them before or anything like that. That is kind of done by someone who's helping to organize it.
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Julian Morgans
Got it, got it. And you rented an Airbnb, right?
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Lily Phillips
Yeah, yeah.
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Julian Morgans
All right. So do you remember, like, the first. The first guy, And I think I just want to, like, zoom in on this, like, first dude situation because, you know, obviously there's 100, and we don't have time to go through all of them, so let's. Like, just the first, like. How did you feel? What was that interaction like?
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Lily Phillips
Honestly? It went. Yeah, it went well. Like, I said hello, he came in, he sat down, and we got to business, and then he left kind of thing. It's not. Not really much to tell.
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Julian Morgans
There was no, like, you were kind of. I guess what I'm saying is that there was no, like, sort of, I want to warm up into this or like, let's have a little chat first. It was just sort of straight into.
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Lily Phillips
It with all of them. I had a chat before and so. But not like, I didn't want to. I wasn't, like, starting slow or anything like that.
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Julian Morgans
Okay. And I. And they could choose the position or, like, how'd that work?
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Lily Phillips
Yeah, yeah.
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Julian Morgans
Okay. Condom on or off?
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Lily Phillips
Oh, condom on. Yeah. Yeah.
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Julian Morgans
Okay. Okay. You were, like, handing out condoms at the door kind of thing.
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Lily Phillips
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had a ton. I bought a ton with me.
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Julian Morgans
Okay, cool, cool. Can you walk me through the day as it progressed?
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Lily Phillips
Yeah. So, I mean, the day, honestly, we just had a steady flow of guys for about 14 hours. That's kind of how the day went. We had, like, some groups at the start just to get the numbers up a little bit, but other than that, not many guys wanted to go together, so most of them were all one on one.
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Julian Morgans
Who were these guys?
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Lily Phillips
Honestly? Obviously above 18, but all ages, all sizes, all races. There was no one type of guy that mostly turned up.
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Julian Morgans
Had most of them come to you via social media. Where did they find you?
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Lily Phillips
Yeah, social media. So that's where I Put out the application.
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Julian Morgans
Okay. Okay. And when they came in, would you. Did you have a sort of formula for like, hello, what's your name and what star sign are you?
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Lily Phillips
Yeah, I mean, I definitely come in, be like, hi, you know, what's your name, where you're from? Stuff like that. Just like, I just wanted to make sure they weren't like, nervous or anything like that, and they were fine. And then once, you know, I was just like, oh, take your trousers off. You can put them here. And then once they'd done that, we kind of got straight to it. I'd give them my phone to film on, and that's kind of how it went.
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Julian Morgans
Were there some people who were nervous?
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Lily Phillips
Not really, if I'm honest. No.
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Julian Morgans
That surprises me. I would have.
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Lily Phillips
Some people said they were nervous, but I don't know, they didn't see me. It was like, since they got to the fucking.
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Julian Morgans
They were fine, thank God. Were there. I mean, were some of them. Had some of them been drinking?
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Lily Phillips
Oh, no, definitely not.
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Julian Morgans
Is that against the rules?
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Lily Phillips
Show up if you're drinking?
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Julian Morgans
That's against the rules.
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Lily Phillips
That was definitely, Definitely, Yeah.
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Julian Morgans
Okay, very good. I mean, I. I'm really curious about these guys because I feel like what would motivate someone to reply to that and then. And then to show up, you know, you, like, you might. You might apply as kind of like a bit of a joke, but then to actually show up, you know, that's a different thing. I find I'm interested, like, where these guys came from. What was their motivation?
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Lily Phillips
To fuck me? That was probably their motivation.
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Julian Morgans
Of course. Yeah, of course. All right.
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Lily Phillips
I know you're like, I don't know why these guys would turn up, like, what, no hello? No, I think you can.
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Julian Morgans
I completely agree. No, it's more just like a. It's more just like. All right, so sleeping with a beautiful girl is one thing, but sleeping with a beautiful girl is. And having your sort of, like, identity on the Internet along with that. Like, most guys, like, you're a seasoned professional, so you're cool with that, but these guys, they just showing up, they're just like everyday Joes who have never had any attention in their lives. Like, you're. You're taking them on this wild ride.
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Lily Phillips
I mean, some of them. Some of them, like, no one's identity was revealed or anything like that. You could be completely anonymous. Their face wasn't in it or anything like that. You know, they. A lot of them didn't talk in it and things like that. So, like, if you can be completely anonymous and go, and this girl for free and, you know, make some great content and things like that. Why would you not?
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Julian Morgans
Yeah, yeah. And did you find some moments of pleasure that day?
- [28:54]
Lily Phillips
Oh, definitely. Definitely.
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Julian Morgans
What were the. What were the sort of standout moments?
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Lily Phillips
If I'm honest? It was like four months ago now, so it doesn't. Like, I've had a lot of sex since, so I can't really remember a whole lot of it just because I have a lot of sex every single day. But, yeah, honestly, just some of the guys were really nice and great and stuff like that.
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Julian Morgans
Yeah. Cool. Okay. And then at the end, I know that you said it was harder than you anticipated. Can you tell me about that?
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Lily Phillips
Yeah. I mean, now I look back on it, though, a whole lot of things I would have done differently, like taking five minutes with each guy, chatting to them, fluffing them myself, making sure they got their clothes on and off, and, you know, like, I was more safeguarding the guys as. And, like, I didn't really take any breaks and stuff like that. There's just a lot I would have done differently, which made it a lot harder on that day.
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Julian Morgans
Yeah. Yeah. Was it a type of sex that you'd had before, or did this somehow feel new?
- [29:55]
Lily Phillips
No, definitely. I. Definitely the type of sex I had before, I. The thing is, though, I don't think people realize I'd done a lot of orgies and a lot of gang bangs before this. It wasn't something that was new to me.
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Julian Morgans
Yeah. But I guess. I guess the nature of, like, one in, one out, you know, like the sort of just the scale of 100 people, that feels like a unique kind of emotional challenge to me.
- [30:18]
Lily Phillips
I mean, I'd done 37 guys before that in a day, so it wasn't that much. Obviously, it was quite different because a lot of them were one to one. That's something I definitely would have done differently. When I did the 37 in a day, 23 of them were our big group, so that was a lot easier to get through because, you know, if 23 are going all at once, it just racks up the numbers. Whereas if you're doing one to one, it does take a while.
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Julian Morgans
Yeah. And then afterwards in the Josh Peters documentary, you got kind of upset. You kind of cried a little bit, and a lot of people in the media made a big deal out of this. Could you talk me through, like, what was happening in your mind at that point?
- [31:02]
Lily Phillips
Yeah. I mean, what I think people don't realize is, like, I was in that bedroom for 14 hours fucking. And it was a really stressful day. Like, at one point we were thinking, we're not gonna make it to 100. Just, like, little things, like, were going wrong throughout the day, which, like, we hadn't planned on. Especially, like, a lot of guys not turning up. And also just like. Like I said, like, having. Honestly, the, like, exhaustion from, like, talking to all these guys and things like that. Like, that all just added up to being a very overwhelming day. Especially then. Yeah, I get out of this bed room after 14 hours of having sex, and we go straight into this interview for an hour. You know, like, it. It's intense.
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Julian Morgans
Yeah, that sounds super intense. Yeah. And then how did you feel when the documentary came out? I mean, that you got some. Some sort of, like, press pickup that maybe you haven't experienced before?
- [32:02]
Lily Phillips
Yeah, it was really interesting because that documentary came out about a month after I'd filmed all that. Like, after I'd done it. And to me, that was such old news. I was like, oh, yeah. Like, of course. I was just a bit emotional and stuff like that. And, like, people were making such a big deal. And, like, you know, I cry a lot. Like, it's really not that deep for me. And I looked upon that day really fondly. So it was really strange to me that then people were picking up and saying, this girl is so traumatized. This girl regrets everything. You know, she hates her life. She's going to kill herself very soon. And these awful things, like, were coming out, and I was just like, that is like. Like, totally not the story. And it was just really bizarre to me. And, yeah, I think, obviously, I think people forget that, like, when people make these documentaries, they're making a documentary for it to be entertaining. And that's what they're trying to portray is, like, they're trying to tell a story and make it entertaining for people to watch. And I think people don't realize that, you know, and they watch, you know, five minutes or of me getting upset, and they think they know my whole life story. And that was probably the most annoying thing, having a lot of people tell me how I feel, you know, and it's like, I'm the person who knows me and my body the best. So why is there so many other people telling me how. How I feel or think? It's. Yeah, it was a little bit annoying, but, yeah, at the end, that's, I think, what did so well for me?
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Julian Morgans
Yeah, totally. I mean, that's the nature of the Internet as well. You put up a single post and everyone's like, oh, I can extrapolate your entire life from this one thing.
- [33:46]
Lily Phillips
Yeah, a two minute clip and they think then they know exactly who you are.
- [33:52]
Julian Morgans
Yeah, yeah, that's it. That's the sort of logic behind everything on the Internet.
- [33:56]
Lily Phillips
It's so true.
- [33:58]
Julian Morgans
The other thing that happened on the sort of like, news timeline was that your colleague Bonnie Blue, she beat you to the post. She had sex with like over a thousand guys in a day.
- [34:12]
Lily Phillips
Allegedly.
- [34:13]
Julian Morgans
Allegedly.
- [34:14]
Lily Phillips
I just haven't seen. I haven't seen the video yet.
- [34:17]
Julian Morgans
Okay. All right, well, can you, can you walk me through, like, how that information was shared with you and how you felt when you heard about this?
- [34:25]
Lily Phillips
Yeah, I mean, obviously we're two girls in the industry trying to make a name for ourselves. I think I saw it on social media somewhere. Um, but yeah, do you know, do.
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Julian Morgans
You know Bonnie personally?
- [34:37]
Lily Phillips
Not personally, no. No, We've worked together a few times, but not personally.
- [34:41]
Julian Morgans
Okay. I think you guys are kind of lumped together because you're both like blonde English girls.
- [34:45]
Lily Phillips
Yes. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
- [34:48]
Julian Morgans
Okay. I mean, it seems ostensibly like she just took your idea for a stunt or an event and just photocopied it. Just did it. I don't know, like, you annoyed about that?
- [35:01]
Lily Phillips
You know what, there's enough guys in this world to fuck us both, so it is what it is. I really don't mind. We're in the same industry and, you know, we're both killing it, so I don't really mind.
- [35:12]
Julian Morgans
That is such a diplomatic answer.
- [35:14]
Lily Phillips
But I think I do. I do just think though, like, there's room for both of us, you know, it shouldn't be a competition or anything like that.
- [35:21]
Julian Morgans
Yeah, well, is it a competition? I mean, like, she's. She's thrown down the gauntlet. Are you gonna retaliate with even more?
- [35:29]
Lily Phillips
I mean, I'm still going to be doing my thing and stuff like that. Yeah.
- [35:34]
Julian Morgans
I mean, this was initially like a run up, right? This was like a trial run before you attempted to set the world record. Is that still the plan?
- [35:43]
Lily Phillips
Yes. 100. 100, yeah.
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Julian Morgans
Can you tell me about plants? Like, like potential date? What are you going to do?
- [35:51]
Lily Phillips
Well, I was meant to do it here and then I got stopped by the border force, so it kind of. That's kind of stopped my plans. And then like, obviously I've had some really great opportunities recently and it's just honestly put the date back so much because it's just meant like, I can't be fucking a thousand Guys and then go to film this or that and things like that. So, yeah, it's the tricky one. I haven't yet got a date now, but. Yeah.
- [36:17]
Julian Morgans
Can you tell me about getting stopped by the. By the border guys in the us? What happened?
- [36:23]
Lily Phillips
Yeah, I mean, to be honest, there's not really much to say about it. The, like, they. They stopped me and they were basically like, you had to fuck a thousand guys. And I was like, no. And they were like, if you fuck a thousand guys, like, you'll never get into this country again because we'll know about it. And I was like, that kind of makes sense because it would be the media and things like that. So, like, I'd rather not be banned from America. And so we kind of called off our plans.
- [36:50]
Julian Morgans
Yeah. So the problem was that this was going to be a violation of your visa conditions because you weren't allowed to work in the States.
- [36:57]
Lily Phillips
Yeah. Which is interesting, really, because, you know, if you were a vlogger and you came to the States and you vlogged your trip and then you went home and you edited the video and uploaded it, that wouldn't be classed as work. But, you know, if we're a sex worker and you go on holiday and you have sex with people and you do film it, but you come back to England, edit it and upload it, then that is. Classes, work. So it's, you know, it's a fine line.
- [37:25]
Julian Morgans
Yeah, yeah. It's got a lot of grays, I guess. You know, this is Trump's America, and they don't want, like, immigrants coming in and taking up all the jobs.
- [37:34]
Lily Phillips
But surely me sleeping with a thousand Americans is helping America? That's what I thought.
- [37:39]
Julian Morgans
I would have thought so. Yes. Yes. Also funny to note that the people, like the border guards, they were like, oh, no, no, I've. I've watched a lot of porn with this girl. I know what she's up to.
- [37:52]
Lily Phillips
I know. Well, they actually brought up my pornhub.
- [37:54]
Julian Morgans
Oh, really? As evidence.
- [37:56]
Lily Phillips
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [37:58]
Julian Morgans
Oh, yeah.
- [37:58]
Lily Phillips
Have you sat with any Americans? I was like, no. And they brought up our pornhub and was like, not drag knife. No.
- [38:05]
Julian Morgans
Were they. Were they trying to intimidate you?
- [38:08]
Lily Phillips
Oh, yeah, they were intimidating me. It was scary.
- [38:10]
Julian Morgans
Were you in, like, a little room, like, out the back of the airport?
- [38:13]
Lily Phillips
Yeah, they put me in a room, like, on my own.
- [38:16]
Julian Morgans
Damn. And. And I love. I love the way that they're trying to freak you out. And this is like, they're talking about visa conditions and, you know, like, you're in violation of code 302 and stuff. And then they just pull up Pornhub on a laptop.
- [38:29]
Lily Phillips
It was making me laugh as well, because they were. They were just so curious as to why I was even doing the thousand. Like, why would you want to do that? And things like that. Like, they just wanted to, like, ask questions and, like, understand why I was doing it, which was really funny to me. But, yeah, I mean, in the end, they. I think the border police more care about if you're a prostitute. I think that's their main kind of goal. It's like, we're not allowing anyone who does prostitution. And so as long as they kind of figured out that I wasn't a prostitute, that's when I think they were fine with me coming in.
- [39:05]
Julian Morgans
Yeah, right. Okay. Yeah. I guess that was their legal standpoint. The other stuff, there was probably a bit of, like, morality police about them as well.
- [39:13]
Lily Phillips
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
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Julian Morgans
Okay. So TBC about when. When the. The run at the world record's gonna happen.
- [39:22]
Lily Phillips
Yes. Yeah.
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Julian Morgans
Okay. I was reading an article the other day, which was the headline. I'm paraphrasing here, but the headline was, like, Bonnie Blue and Lily Phillips. Big mass sextant. It's a reflection of where the Internet algorithms is taking all of us, including porn stars. Like, Internet algorithms have taken us to a place where merely having sex on the Internet is no longer enough, and it needs to be this, like, crazy event for people to take notice. And I was just wanting to get your thoughts on that.
- [39:56]
Lily Phillips
At the end of the day, I guess what me and Bonnie are doing is nothing new. You know, there was a world record before 20 years ago for a reason. There's always been people doing crazy sex stunts. You know, it's just because this is getting more mass reported on, and, you know, the media are picking it up and things like that. That's why people think, like, this is something new.
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Julian Morgans
Yeah, okay. Yeah, I actually hit up that woman, the woman who set the record in 2004.
- [40:23]
Lily Phillips
Lisa Sparks.
- [40:24]
Julian Morgans
Lisa Sparks. You were very quick on recounting that name. And. And her response was fake news. I haven't seen these girls. Like, I haven't seen their videos. Like, did they really do it? Like, I really did it. Like, that was her response.
- [40:36]
Lily Phillips
Oh, really? So I've read somewhere that she actually didn't do it. But, yeah, that's the thing as well. Like, it's hard to even prove that you've done it because onlyfans won't allow that many people in a video. So like, you can't post it on anyfans. And, you know, to. To be able to prove that it's all happening one day and things like that, you've got to live stream it. But to be able to livestream it, you have to make sure you've got everyone's signatures, forms, ideas put into it before you can even start livestreaming sex. Does that make sense?
- [41:11]
Julian Morgans
Yeah, it does.
- [41:12]
Lily Phillips
It's really hard to prove that. Like, you know, that's why I think it's taken me so long is like, I want to do it in a way I can live stream it. But it's tricky to be able to livestream sex without having everyone's form signed and ideas signed, taken and things like that. Does that make sense?
- [41:28]
Julian Morgans
Sorry, Makes perfect sense. So what have you done with the original video?
- [41:31]
Lily Phillips
The 100 video? The 100 was allowed on OnlyFans because it was only 100. But I recently spoke to OnlyFans and they said, from now on, we're not housing any videos that aren't with creators. So you can get everyone to make a creator account. But yeah, they basically. Well, they said to me, basically, we're not housing Bonnie's thousand video. And they said to me, from now on, everyone's gotta be a creator if you're working with them. And so you just get the guys to make a creator account. But it's tricky to actually be able to put that. Put that video online.
- [42:07]
Julian Morgans
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It sounds like this thing that you've built to get attention. You know, you got all this press attention, but then the product itself is. What do you actually do with that? It's this unyieldy thing where you can't just put it on the Internet.
- [42:20]
Lily Phillips
Yeah, exactly, exactly. And so, yeah, I mean, we're trying to figure out ways to, like, get around it and what's the safest and best way.
- [42:27]
Julian Morgans
Yeah, and to monetize this thing.
- [42:30]
Lily Phillips
Exactly, exactly. And to be honest, it's not really about the money for me. Like, I don't really care to sell it. I just want to be able to put it somewhere to prove that I actually did it.
- [42:39]
Julian Morgans
Yeah, yeah. You don't want Lisa Sparks calling bullshit.
- [42:42]
Lily Phillips
Yeah.
- [42:43]
Julian Morgans
All right, I got one or two last questions. What did you learn about yourself through this, through this event?
- [42:56]
Lily Phillips
That I am a lot more resilient to horror comments than I thought.
- [43:01]
Julian Morgans
Oh, yeah. Can you tell me a bit more about that?
- [43:04]
Lily Phillips
Just in the fact that, like, I've had, like, the whole world hated me and. Yeah, I haven't really minded. It hasn't really bothered me that much. I think it's because I know what I stand for and I know what I want. And so it doesn't really matter what other people think about that.
- [43:21]
Julian Morgans
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And last question. Is this the career, like, or do you have another dream one day of like retiring and like taking up horse riding or something? Or like, can you see yourself doing this for a long time?
- [43:37]
Lily Phillips
100%. I'm living my dream at the minute. Honestly. I say this all the time. I. I'm just living the dream. I love it so much and I can't imagine myself doing another job. I wouldn't personally.
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Julian Morgans
Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Well, Lily, thank you so much for your time.
- [43:52]
Lily Phillips
Thank you.
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Julian Morgans
This has been, this has been a wild ride. Really, really interesting. I've got to ask all the questions I've always had.
- [43:59]
Lily Phillips
Amazing. Amazing. Well, thank you so much for having me on.
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Julian Morgans
Hey, it's me again. So I don't know if you've felt the same listening to this interview today, but while this interview gave us a lot of answers, I think there are still a few things that are left unsaid. Lily is clearly a very sharp media operator. She's thoughtful, she's measured, she's just very savvy online. But at times I think I felt like her responses felt a little bit too polished, like there might have been a bit more going on under the surface. So for subscribers, I've put together a bonus episode to try to address some of this stuff. And it takes on a bit of a different angle, something a little unorthodox. So in our bonus app, I'm going to speak with my girlfriend, Laura. Her name's Laura Rasholi and she's a writer and she's probably Australia's best known sex columnist. And Laura has some first hand insights here because she actually worked as an escort. And after hearing Lily's story, she had some really sharp observations about the psychology of sex work work and especially when it intersects with fame and money and recognition. So in this bonus episode, we're digging into that and I think it might help to answer some of the questions that Lily. Well, that Lily sort of held back on. So it's available now. It's just for subscribers. If you're not a subscriber, you should become one. Just hit subscribe on Apple or on Spotify and you'll get access instantly. So I hope you'll join us. Today's episode was produced by Rachel Tuffery. It was mixed by Jimmy Saunders, who also did our theme music. A big thanks to Ellie Dickey and Nina Fussell on our research team and this whole thing has been a super real production.
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