If I Ruled the World: Careful What You Think [VIDEO]

Summary

Podcast Summary: "If I Ruled the World: Careful What You Think" – What Now? with Trevor Noah

Release Date: April 24, 2025

In this engaging episode of What Now? with Trevor Noah, host Trevor Noah dives deep into the imaginative and often humorous realm of the game "If I Ruled the World." Joined by his guests Christiana and Josh, Trevor explores a series of listener-submitted ideas for world-changing policies, sparking lively debates and insightful discussions on societal norms, governance, and human behavior.

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Introduction to the Game

Trevor Noah sets the stage for the episode by introducing the concept of "If I Ruled the World," where each participant proposes a transformative idea they'd implement if they held absolute power. The aim is to create a utopian society by considering both the beneficial and potentially unintended consequences of these policies.

[02:21] Trevor Noah: "If I ruled the world, I would make it so that every thought people are having during sex or intimacy comes out of them verbally, whether they like it or not."

Listener Suggestions and Voting

The trio begins by reviewing and voting on several listener-submitted ideas. Each suggestion is followed by Trevor, Christiana, and Josh discussing its merits and drawbacks before collectively deciding to vote Yes or No.

1. Mandatory Art Creation for Leaders

Listener: Rebecca
Proposal: Require world leaders to spend an hour creating art before making any critical decisions.

• Votes:
  • Christiana: No
  • Josh: No
  • Trevor Noah: Initially Yes, changed to No after discussion.

[04:12] Rebecca: "If I ruled the world, I would make it mandatory for world leaders to spend an hour creating art..."

• Discussion:
  Christiana humorously likens this to politicians resorting to art after dubious actions, citing examples like George W. Bush. Josh adds skepticism about leaders' ability to authentically engage in art without ulterior motives. Ultimately, they agree that this policy might undermine serious decision-making.

2. Prohibiting Political Careers

Listener: Fabian
Proposal: Prohibit individuals from pursuing long-term political careers, ensuring government positions remain temporary and non-career-oriented.

• Votes:
  • Christiana: Yes
  • Josh: Yes
  • Trevor Noah: Yes

[05:02] Fabian: "If I ruled the world, I would prohibit political careers..."

• Discussion:
  Both Christiana and Josh support this idea, emphasizing the downsides of career politics, such as cynicism and stagnation. Trevor lauds Fabian's proposal, noting it received unanimous support.

3. Enhanced Fitting Room Curtains

Listener: Senna
Proposal: Change fitting room curtains to provide more coverage, eliminating the common gaping gap between curtains.

• Votes:
  • Christiana: Yes
  • Josh: Yes
  • Trevor Noah: Yes

[06:24] Senna: "If I ruled the world, I would change the curtains in fitting rooms at stores..."

• Discussion:
  Although initially seen as a minor and specific issue, the trio acknowledges its impact on privacy and comfort, leading to unanimous approval.

4. Government-Funded Barbecues

Listener: Julie
Proposal: Implement government-funded monthly barbecues in every neighborhood to foster community spirit.

• Votes:
  • Christiana: Yes
  • Josh: Yes
  • Trevor Noah: Yes

[07:16] Julie: "If I ruled the world, I would have government-funded monthly barbecues in every neighborhood."

• Discussion:
  Despite initial skepticism about government involvement in personal activities, the positive intent of community building and fostering social connections leads to all three voting in favor.

5. Fast and Slow Sidewalk Lanes

Listener: Ben
Proposal: Introduce designated fast and slow lanes on sidewalks to manage pedestrian traffic efficiently.

• Votes:
  • Christiana: No
  • Josh: No
  • Trevor Noah: No

[07:05] Ben: "If I ruled the world, there should be fast lanes and slow lanes on the sidewalk."

• Discussion:
  The idea is dismissed as impractical and potentially discriminatory, with concerns about accessibility and enforcement leading to unanimous rejection.

6. LED Message Signs on Cars

Listener: Charles
Proposal: Equip cars with LED signs to send short messages to other drivers, such as apologies or cautions.

• Votes:
  • Christiana: No
  • Josh: No
  • Trevor Noah: No

[09:45] Charles: "If I ruled the world, cars should have more than just turn signals..."

• Discussion:
  Viewed as an invitation to increased road rage and confusion, the proposal is unanimously rejected for its impracticality and potential to escalate conflicts.

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In-Depth Discussion: Mandatory Reality TV Viewing

The most substantial portion of the episode centers around Christiana's proposal to make reality TV viewing mandatory for all adults for one hour each week.

Listener: Christiana
Proposal: Designate mandatory reality TV for everyone over 18 for one hour a week, randomly assigned to shows.

[11:28] Christiana: "If I ruled the world, I would designate mandatory reality TV for everyone over 18 for one hour a week."

• Votes Before Debate:
  • Christiana: Yes
  • Trevor Noah: Initially Yes
  • Josh: Yes

[20:03] Christiana: "I vote yes."

• Discussion Highlights:
  • Christiana argues that reality TV mirrors real-life complexities, showcasing diverse human experiences and fostering a collective understanding across different societal segments.
  • Josh expresses concerns about the authenticity of thoughts, comparing it to enforced transparency during intimate moments, which could lead to discomfort and conflict.
  • Trevor Noah contemplates both sides, acknowledging the potential for increased social cohesion but also fearing the loss of privacy and the emergence of societal friction.
  • The conversation delves into the psychological impact of forced honesty, the balance between transparency and personal privacy, and the potential for both positive social interactions and negative interpersonal conflicts.
  • Christiana proposes an opt-in/opt-out feature to mitigate some issues, but Josh and Trevor debate its effectiveness, leading to a shift in votes:
    • Christiana: No after debating the opt-in/opt-out scenario.
    • Josh: Votes Yes, believing it would curb negative behaviors.
    • Trevor Noah: Changes vote to Yes, seeing potential benefits despite reservations.

[32:21] Christiana: "So you're asking me, like, do I want to live in a world where this is true?"

[58:37] Josh: "So I'm a vote yes."

[63:53] Christiana: "I think there's just something that's an in between... if there's an opt-in, opt-out option?"

[64:00] Christiana: "I vote yes." (After considering opt-in)

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Final Votes and Conclusion

By the episode's end, the votes stand as follows:

• Christiana: Initially Yes, later No
• Josh: Yes
• Trevor Noah: Yes

Trevor Noah acknowledges the complexity of balancing societal benefits with individual freedoms, ultimately endorsing ideas that may enhance collective understanding and intimacy despite potential challenges.

[65:59] Trevor Noah: "Thank you to everyone who submitted their suggestions... I feel it like Josh."

The episode wraps up with a Self Care Toolkit segment sponsored by Amazon, offering listeners practical advice on managing sick days, emphasizing comfort, familiar entertainment, and the importance of supportive relationships.

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Key Takeaways

• Balancing Transparency and Privacy: The discussions highlight the delicate balance between fostering social cohesion through shared experiences and respecting individual privacy and autonomy.

• Impact of Mandatory Policies: While well-intentioned, policies like mandatory reality TV or enforced honesty can have unforeseen consequences, necessitating careful consideration of their implementation and effects.

• Community Building vs. Personal Freedom: Initiatives aimed at strengthening community bonds must navigate the fine line between collective benefits and potential encroachments on personal freedoms.

• Critical Evaluation of Policies: The episode underscores the importance of critically evaluating proposed policies, considering both their intended outcomes and potential unintended side effects.

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Notable Quotes:

• "[05:02] Christiana: 'Everyone should have an occupation outside of politics. Government positions are a one-time thing and temporary.'"

• "[11:28] Christiana: 'If I ruled the world, I would designate mandatory reality TV for everyone over 18 for one hour a week.'"

• "[32:31] Christiana: 'I'm gonna vote no.'"

• "[43:52] Christiana: 'People are gonna get shot. Trevor.'"

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This episode of What Now? with Trevor Noah offers a thought-provoking exploration of hypothetical world-changing ideas, blending humor with critical analysis to engage listeners in meaningful conversations about society, governance, and human nature.

Transcript

[Trevor Noah]

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[Christiana]

I just. Because I do want to vote yes for one of your ideas, Trevor, because I don't think I ever have. Right? So I really, I do. I really do. Like, I don't want it because, you know, people hit me up. They're like, stop bullying Trevor. And I'm like, I'm not, I'm not. I'm not bullying him. He's just like, he says crazy stuff like, so as my friend and my brother, I want to support you and your ideas.

[Trevor Noah]

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[Christiana]

Always am.

[Trevor Noah]

L. Welcome to my favorite game. If I ruled the world, as I tell both of you and anyone who'll listen, my dream is to be a dictator of a very small nation, of a group of people who not wanted me to be a dictator, but they were like, yeah, this sounds like a cool idea. So I didn't like, take power from them. It just was the way it was.

[Christiana]

Okay.

[Trevor Noah]

And yeah, I always think of what I would do to make my world perfect. And that's why I play this game. I feel like Josh has come in. Cause last time you weren't happy with how we ran If I Ruled the.

[Christiana]

World, he felt a bit scammed up on, or what was it?

[Josh]

No, no. You know, I think I was more like, I always come to if I rule the world. Like, I rule the world. Like, this should work. So then when y'all hit me with things I didn't think about, I feel like I'm not really ruling the world. I feel like my plans are falling apart. So I get a little vindictive. Cause I'm like, all right, you asked me what to do if I rule the world. You didn't tell me to plug up all the holes in my log.

[Trevor Noah]

But remember, you have to vote. That's the game.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Trevor Noah]

If I Ruled the World. Each of us takes the role of magnanimous dictator, world leader, slash king, God person. We change the world in any way that we want. However, you have to win the votes of the other two people. We also ask everyone who listens to the show if they want to submit ideas, and then we vote on them. So let's go through some of the suggestions. Now. I haven't seen any of these, so I don't know. All right, let's see. If I Ruled the World. Listener suggestions. Here we go. This is from Rebecca. Rebecca says, if I ruled the world, I would make it mandatory for world leaders to spend an hour creating art. And it can be anything. Drawing, painting, ceramics, glassblowing before they make any critical decisions on important matters such as military action, immigration, environmental policies, et cetera.

[Christiana]

Absolutely not.

[Trevor Noah]

No.

[Christiana]

That's what George W. Bush is doing now is making art. That means some really dark stuff is going down if you have to make art.

[Josh]

But I feel like he doing it. He already killed all the people, and now he doing his thing.

[Christiana]

That's true.

[Josh]

I think I would vote for this, because I think that one of the most humbling things in the world is doing an art that you don't do and then try to look like an expert in the same day. You know what I mean? Like, if you're like, hey, y'all, we have to invade. But then the people just saw you, and they were like, bitch, you can't draw. How you gonna let us get killed? And you can't draw. You know what I mean? Like, you have this.

[Trevor Noah]

So the failure. Okay, I like this. A closet.

[Josh]

So yours is a. I am a yes for this, Christiana.

[Christiana]

No, you're a no.

[Trevor Noah]

Yeah, I like it, but I'm a no. And I was a yes until Josh said his. I'll tell you why, Rebecca. No, because now I actually agree with Josh. But like, I think men are. We have like the most sensitive egos.

[Christiana]

Oh, yeah.

[Trevor Noah]

So if you, like fail at the pottery, you might invade a country to show how good you actually.

[Josh]

Oh, yeah.

[Trevor Noah]

So I agree with you, Josh, actually, but I think the other. So it's a no for me. Sorry. Rebecca Fabian says, if I ruled the world, I would prohibit political careers. Everyone should have an occupation outside of politics. Government positions are a one time thing and temporary. These positions should be considered a rare occasion to serve the nation. I vote yes immediately.

[Josh]

I also vote yes because you really want to go out like an all star. Yeah. I mean, some of these people start their political career and they're saying all the right stuff. But then you could tell after like three years, they're like beat down. And they try to pass the same thing over a while.

[Trevor Noah]

You have to beat down.

[Christiana]

And they get cynical.

[Josh]

Yeah, they get cynical and then 15 years later they're like. So it's like. What do you mean? So you don't even have to be there.

[Christiana]

Yeah. No career politics.

[Trevor Noah]

I agree. Well done, Fabian. You just got three yeses. Wow, that's a good one. All right. Senna says, if I ruled the world, I would change the curtains in fitting rooms at stores to something that provides a little more coverage because there always remains a very peak throughable gap. And those two curtains have never fully met. Huh.

[Christiana]

This is very specific.

[Trevor Noah]

This is super specific.

[Josh]

Senna.

[Trevor Noah]

Senna, did you. Did someone spy on you?

[Josh]

This is wild.

[Trevor Noah]

I feel like this is a complaint for a department store, not like a suggestion for if I. It's also like, if you ruled the world, imagine you have all the power in the world and you use it to make the curtains in dressing rooms.

[Josh]

Can I tell you right now, this person is having a good life because they were like, if I ruled the world, I really wouldn't change anything except for this one thing.

[Trevor Noah]

I mean, yes, because it's not a big deal.

[Christiana]

Yeah, I vote yes.

[Trevor Noah]

I'm not against it.

[Christiana]

I don't see any.

[Josh]

Yeah. Honestly, to vote against it, low key. Makes it seem like you like Peking. So I'm also going to vote yes.

[Trevor Noah]

All right. So, Senna, you got three yeses. Julie says if I ruled the world, I would have government funded monthly barbecues in every neighborhood. Huh.

[Christiana]

I don't trust the government to buy my meat.

[Trevor Noah]

Well, they're funded. It's just funded.

[Christiana]

Oh, they're just funded.

[Trevor Noah]

So I guess they'll just pay for. You can go and buy your meat wherever you like.

[Christiana]

I've got so many questions. Like, do we have to show up to the barbecues?

[Trevor Noah]

Not just government.

[Christiana]

Who's doing the grilling? Who's doing the grilling?

[Trevor Noah]

There's always someone to do the grilling.

[Christiana]

The neighborhood I live in, I don't know if I'd want the people to make me meat.

[Josh]

Look, can I tell you right now, this feels like a bureaucratic way to get at the cookout. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? I know infiltration when I see it.

[Trevor Noah]

Okay.

[Josh]

This some cointelpro. Yeah. Yeah.

[Christiana]

I like the sentiment, though, because she's trying to get people together.

[Josh]

Yes, Julie, trying to get together.

[Christiana]

I vote yes, because the heart is in the right place.

[Trevor Noah]

Okay.

[Josh]

I also vote yes. The cointelpro was a joke. I do think that there's a world where using government funds to build community is what government should be for.

[Trevor Noah]

Yes. Okay, I like that.

[Josh]

I do like the idea.

[Trevor Noah]

Okay, I'm gonna go. No, because I think people eat too much meat already. All right? Ben comes in and says, if I ruled the world, there should be fast lanes and slow lanes on the sidewalk. I'm just gonna go, no, because that doesn't work on the highway. People are just gonna walk where they walk anyway. And then who decides what fast is? What is. Cause you don't have a speed. You don't have a speedometer on you as a person. What is fast? What is slow?

[Josh]

I think that fast and slow is dictated by the local community. Like, because then they. They. They measured the steps of people in New York versus people in Portland.

[Trevor Noah]

Yes.

[Josh]

And it's like, by and large, all New Yorkers walk faster.

[Trevor Noah]

Way faster.

[Josh]

All people in Portland. So it's like, I think the. I think everyone starts to figure it out once you set those lanes up. The real problem is there's actually not enough sidewalk to go around because you got to go this way and this way, and you have to do it fast and slow.

[Trevor Noah]

I don't know.

[Josh]

That's four lanes of sidewalk.

[Trevor Noah]

And then you've got someone, like, screaming, this is the fast lane, buddy. Like, how fast are you walk? What is.

[Josh]

I don't know.

[Trevor Noah]

I'm sorry, Ben. For me, it's a no.

[Christiana]

Yeah, it's a no. For me, it's getting real ableist right now. Yes.

[Trevor Noah]

Walks already, you know?

[Josh]

Look, Ben, I will tell you, though, if you trying to make your own fast lane, just walk with your fists out. People get out the way.

[Trevor Noah]

All right, and then the last one comes from Charles, who says cars should have more than just a turn. Signal. There should be a little LED sign where you can send a short message to another driver. Like, my bad, I didn't mean to cut you off or your wipers are on or move over. Wow, Charles, you are setting yourself up for Mad Max levels of fury on the road.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Trevor Noah]

You're going to write messages on people's lights.

[Christiana]

See, I would be like, sometimes I'm in the car, I'm like, oh my God, I like her hairstyle. And I'd love to be able to say it, but they can't hear me. If I could say it with my lights, that'd be amazing.

[Trevor Noah]

You realize people are now cat calling from their cars.

[Christiana]

It didn't even cross my mind because.

[Trevor Noah]

There'S going to be guys who are.

[Christiana]

Like, I like your hair.

[Josh]

It's nice hair.

[Christiana]

Nice hair, nice hair.

[Trevor Noah]

I've been following you for a few blacks. Hey, hey, what's your number?

[Josh]

I don't, I don't see a baby seat in that back seat. You know, I. No, I think, I think it would be a bit rough because they would all have to be pre planned, so we'd have to figure out like four or five messages you could send.

[Trevor Noah]

No, you could have a dynamic one. You could just have like a, like a dot matrix that, that displays the. You could just, you could like say it and it would just show it. I just don't think that's a good idea. It's bad enough that we already have like, I, I don't see.

[Christiana]

And how would people like read the light? That's what I'm saying.

[Trevor Noah]

This is what I. I'm just saying this is trouble.

[Josh]

I mean, we're getting towards that self driving, so you're gonna have to do something.

[Trevor Noah]

I hear you, but it's a no for me.

[Christiana]

Yeah, it's a no for me too.

[Josh]

I mean, probably a no because I don't understand it, but yeah. Yeah.

[Trevor Noah]

I feel like that's what people in Congress say every week. Yeah, I'm gonna vote no on this because I don't understand it, but I.

[Josh]

Don'T really get it.

[Trevor Noah]

But yeah. All right, now for the big rounds. So who wants to go first? Josh. Cristiana. I'm willing to go as well.

[Christiana]

Can we like do a coin tossed or pull?

[Trevor Noah]

Oh, just go like rock, paper, scissors.

[Christiana]

Oh.

[Trevor Noah]

So Christiana. I beat Josh. Christiana beats that.

[Josh]

You beat me.

[Christiana]

Josh beat me. Yeah, and you beat Josh. So I go first. Okay, fine, then. Oh, okay.

[Trevor Noah]

Let's go, Cristiana.

[Christiana]

Okay. I didn't think I'd lose The game of randomness.

[Trevor Noah]

I don't think you lost.

[Christiana]

Here we are. Okay, if I ruled the world, I would designate mandatory reality TV for everyone over 18 for one hour a week. You can pick whichever show you like, but you have to watch a reality TV show.

[Trevor Noah]

You have to watch it.

[Christiana]

You have to watch a reality TV show.

[Trevor Noah]

Okay, now you've roped me in.

[Josh]

Why?

[Christiana]

Because I actually think reality TV is where so much of real life is playing out that actually, like, narrative TV doesn't have at the moment, like, reality tv. You see lots of older women grappling with things like alcoholism or divorce or cancer and. Or you see couples going through nursing somebody who's ill, or then you see somebody that, like, just killed their wife or. And they're like different races, different classes, socioeconomic groups. It's like a very good picture into the country you live in in a way that often people are very siloed in their, like, media consumption. Whether, you know, Fox News is one thing and MSNBC is another thing. You can watch the Real Housewives of New York, Atlanta, Beverly Hills. You don't know who is a Republican. You don't. I fell in love with a woman, and it turns out she's a big Trumper, but now I'm in love with her. So it's like there's no going back. And it helps you see the humanity in people that you would otherwise not see and get to know people that you probably don't come across in real life. It could be like you're watching a show about the Duggar family that it's not on air anymore, and you're like, oh, I'm learning about, like, evangelical Christians who have all of these children. Or the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. It's set in Mormon.

[Trevor Noah]

But wait, wait. But people can choose the reality show. So what if everyone's just choosing?

[Christiana]

You'd be randomly assigned the show.

[Trevor Noah]

Okay, so you don't know which show.

[Christiana]

You don't know which show it is.

[Trevor Noah]

And you have to watch it.

[Christiana]

Yeah, you have to do it. It's like you're.

[Trevor Noah]

You have to be engaged. You can't be on your phone. You're like. You're like.

[Christiana]

I mean, you can be on your phone. I think a great thing about the reality show experience is that a lot of people tweet, live tweet when they're watching it, and they're covering it on Instagram and stuff. So if you want to connect with other viewers via social media, that's great.

[Trevor Noah]

And you wouldn't Just make people watch a documentary once a week.

[Christiana]

No way. Because documentaries are so boring. You got all those talking heads. They'd be like, oh, my God. And there's statistics. I hate documentaries. Oh, my God. And especially the vanity documentaries when you have, like, basically got access to the person. So nothing bad comes up. So no, not. Not documentary.

[Josh]

Let me tell you right now, documentaries have that thing. They're starting to get that thing where there's a real wrestling match going on with like, we want to tell your story. But also, don't make me look bad. But also, you have to give us enough stuff. I'll tell you right now, there's one of the most incredible soccer players, female soccer players of all time. Hope Solo has an incredible documentary out. And I really love the documentary because I felt like it gave me everything while still, like, not protecting her, but, like, shielding us a little bit from things that would make us judge her harshly. But there is one point in it that I really liked where they had her talking about being the real rabid, we need to get up to this level type person on the team, like the Jordan of the team. And they used the B roll. And you could tell the B roll, she was cursing the shit out of those girls. But they didn't play that B roll. Cause they probably knew it wouldn't make her look good.

[Trevor Noah]

It wouldn't make her life as good. Yeah.

[Josh]

And she was already telling us that's what she was doing without saying the wor. So she's like, I could be tough on my teammates. Right. But in the B roll is her being like. It's like coaching while she's playing. And so I get what you're saying where it's like the documentary has a filtered nature that reality TV doesn't have.

[Christiana]

And people on reality TV are by and large the most shameless human beings on the planet. They are.

[Trevor Noah]

So you think reality TV has become more genuine than documentaries?

[Christiana]

In many ways, it is the. It shows so much truth. Like, for instance, if you watch the Real Housewives of Potomac right now, Karen Hooga is in prison for a dui. This is a black woman. She called herself the Grand Dame. Very sophisticated, upper crust black woman who you didn't even believe was capable of getting drunk and being sloppy. That's the image she put out there. And in my personal life, I've been talking about black women and alcoholism. I'm like, I know a lot of black women who drink a lot. Right. But it's not something that we talk about publicly. It's in Our group chats or whatever. We're seeing it play out at brunch. And Karen is, like, showing this mirror to, like, these experiences. And then you get. There's lots of people that go to prison for, like, stuff. Like, a lot of fraud, like insurance fraud, and, like, the type of griftery things that you have these people in these affluent suburbs that do to get their money. That I think is a very American story, but you don't necessarily talk about. So, yeah, you get kind of these shameless people who are a bit narcissistic, who are craving fame or attention. When I think a lot of people want attention in this country, and it makes you fall in love with people that you never thought you would fall in love with who are very different from you.

[Josh]

And shameless people are sometimes the most honest. Shameless people do the same. They do things for the same reasons that we do them, but we either rationalize or like. Like, rationalization is sort of lying to yourself about it. But then there's also the lying to the world about, like, no, no, no. For this reason, where a shameless person is like, I was trying to get the money. I'm trying to. I got a plug. Why would I not get the money?

[Christiana]

And it will help you understand Trump.

[Trevor Noah]

Oh, okay.

[Christiana]

Yeah, because people have never understood Trump.

[Trevor Noah]

But you think reality TV helps people understand Trump more.

[Christiana]

Yeah, because he is a product. I think he is a product of reality tv.

[Trevor Noah]

He is.

[Christiana]

He was a type of person that would go on reality tv.

[Trevor Noah]

A lot of his. A lot of his facade comes from the Apprentice.

[Christiana]

Yeah.

[Trevor Noah]

Like, if you watch Trump pre Apprentice, watch him in interviews, watch him as a person, he doesn't have the exact same vibe to him. Once, you know, like, post Apprentice, I think. Cause on the Apprentice, they were like, no, you got to do this, and you got. You're fired. And they gave him the catchphrases and, like, the. And the look, and I think he just sort of adopted that character and he became. Yeah, I can see that. You know, when you. When you first said it, I was firmly a no. I was like, this is a crazy idea, but I think you've won me. I think, one, because I think you've given a good justification. But two, I just think we need to share more experiences as people. So if everyone is watching a show weekly, everywhere in the world, I do like that everyone tomorrow has something to connect around in the office. I think we need more collective viewing.

[Josh]

More collective.

[Trevor Noah]

You know what I mean? So I'm gonna vote yes to reality tv. One hour every week forced upon you.

[Josh]

Yeah. And I think it sparks conversation. You would normally have to go to a very serious place to have. Like, I find that, like, watching Love is Blind or watching Love island gets, like, Sally and I talking about relationships in a way that's, like, fun because of what they're doing.

[Christiana]

Yes.

[Josh]

That has nothing to do with us. Because if I just walk in the apartment cold and I'm like, what do you think about, like, when people don't know how to talk about cheating in their past? It's like we're having a very different conversation. Because then now you can't convince a person you don't mean you. But then when we watch someone on.

[Trevor Noah]

Love island, it is a nice thing.

[Josh]

Be like, kind of that. That like, that.

[Trevor Noah]

It's a great catalyst. I agree with that.

[Josh]

And it helps yield moments like. Like Trevor was saying, where it's like, very quickly. One of my favorite reality TV moments of all time is on Love and Hip Hop Hollywood, when these two women were arguing. And you know how they get them drunk? They get them drunk and they go to an event, but no one at the event but them. There's no event. And then they get to the event and they're drunk and they're arguing. And there was this one woman who had slept with this other woman's friend's man. And so she was trying to tell her, like, you should value yourself more. And she's like, don't tell me to value myself. I value myself. He's hitting my phone, blah, blah. And they're going back and forth, back and forth. Then the woman whose event it was, she, like, clearly has been drinking too much all day. And she throws up. And the other woman go, they're about to fight. And the other woman goes, did you just throw up? And that is the realest moment I think I've ever seen. Like, forget the cameras for a second. Forget everything.

[Trevor Noah]

Just pause everything.

[Josh]

Did you just throw up? And, like, she almost asked, are you okay? But then the other girl who just threw up was trying to save face. She's like, yeah, you got so much plastic surgery. Makes me sick to my stomach.

[Christiana]

So you made me throw up.

[Josh]

She was like, oh, okay, then that's what we're doing. All right, fine. But, like, that moment, I was like, that's a real person. So I vote yes.

[Christiana]

Yeah. And also I was gonna say, I know you both voted yes. I should mention 90 Day Fiance. Fascinating look into immigration.

[Trevor Noah]

Oh, yeah. No, all these. You're not wrong about all these. You're not wrong. It is a crude look into many issues that, as Josh says so eloquently, we wouldn't get into otherwise. I like it. It's a yes.

[Christiana]

Well done.

[Josh]

Wow.

[Trevor Noah]

Yeah. Just kicked it off with a double yes.

[Christiana]

There we go.

[Josh]

That's great.

[Christiana]

I think this is my first double yes. Maybe my second.

[Josh]

Yeah. I feel like you're the only person I voted for, though. I feel like I definitely vote against Trevor every time.

[Christiana]

Everyone votes against me.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Trevor Noah]

Everyone votes against me.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Trevor Noah]

We're going to continue this conversation right after this short break.

[Josh]

Okay. So I'll go and this is more playing God a bit than just, like, a government mandate. If I rule the world as a dictator.

[Trevor Noah]

God, Josh.

[Josh]

If I ruled the world, Josh, I would make it actually hurt to be stupid. So, like, if somebody. Somebody is willfully ignorant.

[Trevor Noah]

Yo.

[Josh]

What? Because. Because. Let me pitch you this. Right? Let me pitch you this. Get ready, because I think. I think you're against me now and.

[Trevor Noah]

You'Ll be with me.

[Christiana]

I'm gonna let you land.

[Trevor Noah]

I'm absorbing that. I'm not against you. I'm in shock right now.

[Josh]

Because if you are someone who, in spite of everything that you know and everything you've been told is like, you know what? I'm a Stick a fork in the socket, and you stick the fork in the socket. It hurts you because your dumb idea ended up getting you hurt.

[Trevor Noah]

Yeah.

[Josh]

It costs you nothing to tell everyone else in the room who is impressionable to put a fork in the socket.

[Trevor Noah]

Okay.

[Josh]

So if you just by saying and knowing it's wrong, put a fork in the socket, it's essentially Pinocchio, but with pain. You know. You know that you're being willfully ignorant. You know that you're lying. You know that. And so I wouldn't put my hand on the lever. I wouldn't be controlling how much. But you would have to have some actual barrier because it costs people nothing to spread misinformation, and it costs people nothing to, like, lead people for the sake of manipulation in a way that is, like, willfully dumb. Do you know what I mean? I don't mean people who don't know things yet.

[Trevor Noah]

That's okay. This is the clarification I think I'm getting. So you're not saying people who, quote, unquote, are stupid. You're not saying that. You don't mean somebody whose aptitude may not be at the level that. No, this is not what you're saying. You're saying if somebody does or says something that they know is stupid, and they're just doing it to either act the fool or drive people in the wrong direction.

[Josh]

But, you know, now can you give.

[Christiana]

Me, like, more concrete examples?

[Josh]

Alex Jones will be in constant pain. I mean, someone who, like, for every cause. What Alex Jones does that's particularly insidious is that he plays on things where whenever it's the right time and he's on the right podcast, he's an entertainer, and he's somebody who's just, like. Who's just, like, taking the piss out of everything. Even in court, I'm taking the piss.

[Christiana]

Out of him playing a character.

[Josh]

But then when it's just you and Alex and you. I mean, an impressionable person who really feels like, downtrodden, and you don't know who's to blame or if it's your fault or whatever, Alex is taking advantage of those people. He's catering to people who need something to blame that's, like, physical. And they can get out there and they can attack that person. Which is why you have Alex Jones fans spitting on and following and harassing people who are families of victims of school shootings and stuff.

[Trevor Noah]

Right.

[Christiana]

You know what I mean?

[Josh]

But it's like Alex. And look, if he doesn't know, then it actually wouldn't hurt that much. But he knows. He knows what he's doing, and he knows when he's lying.

[Trevor Noah]

Okay.

[Josh]

I used to wonder if Alex was, like, this crazy person or if he genuinely is this grifter who knows what he's saying is false. Cause the two things that made me feel like, oh, no, he knows what he's doing is anytime on the rare occasions that he is right about something, he then uses that to leverage 19 other things that have nothing to do with that thing.

[Trevor Noah]

That's the conspiracy theorist move.

[Josh]

Then when the lawyer for the families who were suing Alex Jones over Sandy Hook, when that lawyer said, you have such an incompetent counsel that they accidentally sent me your text messages, I sent that to the court saying, hey, I don't think they meant to send me this. So it entered into discovery. Then I let your counsel know that they had sent me this thing, and they didn't respond. So now I have all your text messages where you're saying that you know that these things aren't true. And Alex's face, a crazy person would be like, that didn't happen, or whatever.

[Trevor Noah]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Alex face was like, the reaction. Oh, no.

[Trevor Noah]

Yeah.

[Josh]

So now I know that you're like.

[Trevor Noah]

But that's why he lost the case. Right. That's why he had that nice judgment against him.

[Josh]

And so that's what I mean. It's one of those things where kind of.

[Christiana]

Okay, but this. Oh, before you go in the pain, I think I get where you're going with this, and I may be able to follow. I think it needs a bit of refinement. Are you open to refinement?

[Josh]

Yeah, open to refinement.

[Christiana]

All right, let's go.

[Josh]

So I'd be in pain if I wasn't.

[Christiana]

So I feel like you may be conflating, being willfully dumb and maybe being malicious or maybe being opportunistic. I think we're talking about different things.

[Josh]

I see what you're saying.

[Christiana]

Do you know what I mean?

[Josh]

Because, like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Christiana]

Some people are willfully ignorant, but not necessarily malicious intent. Like, you can be willfully ignorant and you can share. You can be like, you don't need vaccines, drink celery juice. But that's not coming from a malicious place.

[Trevor Noah]

I think Josh wants pain for those people as well.

[Christiana]

Yeah. They actually think they're being helpful. But what you're describing.

[Josh]

I think they're being helpful. Yeah.

[Christiana]

What you're describing with the pain would.

[Trevor Noah]

Clear it up for them, is what you're saying.

[Josh]

Because this is my only pitch where I'm like, you can vote with me or against me, hold it against you. Past today. The world that I'm proposing, sans the actual pain, is the world that we live in. So you can go and tell people to do all these things and you know that they're not true and you're not actually helping anybody or you think it's true, and then you see people hurt. But that is the world we live in. It just takes longer. And it depends on if you see the pain or not.

[Christiana]

You don't.

[Trevor Noah]

You become presidents.

[Christiana]

Right.

[Josh]

You become president and you fear for your life every day. Cause I already shot at you once. I think that in my opinion, most people really aren't getting away with anything in the long run of things.

[Christiana]

This is a very karmic view of the universe. It really is actually really Buddhist principle.

[Josh]

I just feel like since we're already not getting away with anything, it might as well be immediate to be your own version of correction. Cause if I'm the guy holding the fork and I put it in there, I'm like, it's immediate. It's not worth it. I'm not gonna do it again.

[Christiana]

How would they feel to PA who administers it?

[Trevor Noah]

Like, this is what I want to know. I Want to know more about the pain?

[Josh]

I think it would be as different.

[Trevor Noah]

Who brings the pain? Josh.

[Josh]

I think it would be as different as the person. So, for instance, I think that, like, if I'm sitting down with Christiana and I'm like, look, let me tell you what the third trimester is. Like, I might slow down if my nose just starts bleeding a little bit. Do you have it?

[Christiana]

Like, this is so dystopian.

[Trevor Noah]

It really is.

[Josh]

Josh.

[Trevor Noah]

We sent Josh away. We were like, josh, you're too nice. And Josh went away, and he read every, like, Orwellian novel vibe thing he could. And Josh was like, oh, I will show you. Cause this is Damn.

[Christiana]

Okay, another question. If somebody is, like, determined in their willful stupidity and they're constantly feeling pain, does it get to a point where they die?

[Josh]

No, I don't think so.

[Christiana]

Because you still have the same life expectancy.

[Josh]

You still have the same life expectancy. I think a physical representation of the thing now is there are those people that are, like, very crunchy hippie and everything, and they drink silver. Because they're like, no.

[Christiana]

They drink silver.

[Josh]

Yeah. They have no idea. And so they're like, no, if I drink the silver, I won't need a list of things that are actually not that invasive and just, like, medically.

[Trevor Noah]

Cause of its antibacterial quality.

[Christiana]

Yeah, silver's great, but I didn't know.

[Josh]

People were drinking it. It's like, they will turn a little bit blue. You'll see it on them.

[Trevor Noah]

Yes.

[Christiana]

And they will look like what they're going through.

[Josh]

Yeah, they'll look like what they're going through, and they'll still be sick. Cause you drinking silver, you didn't, like, go to the hospital. You know what I mean? And I think that that version is, like, kind of almost the thing that I'm proposing now where it's like, you're not walking around like, ah, Ah. But I do think if you're. If you're sitting there and, you know, you. You. You know. But because of, like, whatever biases you have, like, I. I watched this documentary with someone who had left the Neo Nazi movement, and he said that the entire time I was in there, the entire 20 years that I was a Neo Nazi, I spent all of my days and most of my life rationalizing because I was constantly being bombarded with things that showed me the world was not the way that I had both been told it was and was telling myself that it was. And so I'm like, yeah, you're already in pain to A certain degree. Cause now this, like, black neighbor that you have has been incredibly nice to you and mowed your lawn and everything.

[Trevor Noah]

Okay.

[Josh]

And now you feel like they should.

[Trevor Noah]

Have gotten that pain earlier.

[Josh]

100%.

[Christiana]

And physically.

[Josh]

Yeah, yeah. Cause now he's over here, this neo Nazi was whooping ass for 20 years. And I was like, but I've changed. It's like, that's great. I'm glad. But, man, maybe if your head hurt a little bit while you were, like.

[Christiana]

Rationalizing what age does the pain thing stop?

[Josh]

I think it starts when your brain stops developing that way everybody gets, you know, their little fair shape. You would, like, if you're a kid, like, you wouldn't even understand the pain if they gave you the pain.

[Trevor Noah]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Okay.

[Trevor Noah]

Okay. Yeah.

[Josh]

You wouldn't even know what was happening.

[Trevor Noah]

Okay. You know, I think I'm ready to vote.

[Josh]

Okay.

[Christiana]

Trevor, you go first.

[Trevor Noah]

I'm going to vote no only because I don't think we have a clear idea of who is or isn't being stupid in society and in life. And I know it's a bit of a cop out, but it's. I think it's true. And I think while, like, Alex Jones is, like, an almost easy example, I think there's some examples where people will feel pain for the wrong reason at the wrong time, and then it might shut down something. That's a smart idea. Like, maybe there's someone who's like, hey, the earth is round. We need to sail the other way long before everyone else is saying it. And then they're like, ah. And then they don't do it, or someone doesn't invent electricity or. I just. I'm worried about that.

[Christiana]

Yeah. It stops exiting.

[Trevor Noah]

But I will say this. I love the. As Christiana said, I love the karmic side of what you're saying. I do think it would be great if people experience the ramifications of their actions a lot sooner. However, I just worry that even in our finite understanding of what is and isn't stupid at the time that we're processing it, we might put a lot of good people in pain who might not do something that was necessary for us because they were like, I don't want the pain. And I think pain. Pain also stops people from exploring something that might seem stupid at the time that they're gonna say it, but then isn't later. And, you know, I do love the idea, but I'm gonna vote no, unfortunately, before you vote.

[Christiana]

Okay.

[Josh]

I will say I'm not talking about imagination, and I'M not talking. I'm talking about. I'm not even having my hand on the lever. Okay, you know what's a lie? And you keep telling it to people. And that gives you a headache, I think is. And so I get everything that you're saying, and I don't expect you to change your mind.

[Trevor Noah]

Okay, so now. But now let me ask you one question. What if somebody is lying to. Like, let's say there's a government out there that's a dictatorship, and then the police come knocking on the door trying to take your family away, and then you lie to the military police. Do you feel pain?

[Josh]

Oh, no. A lie. I'm talking about a lie that is, like, willful ignorance. I'm still not talking about having an imagination or a lie to, like, protect someone.

[Christiana]

A noble lie.

[Josh]

You know what I mean?

[Trevor Noah]

Okay.

[Josh]

Like, if somebody.

[Trevor Noah]

So it's only something where you believe the opposite completely and you are doing it.

[Josh]

It's really only, like, malicious. Yeah, it's really only like, the slightly. Slightly to very malicious spread of misinformation or dispute.

[Trevor Noah]

I'll change my vote to yes.

[Christiana]

Wow.

[Josh]

Ooh, I did not see that coming.

[Trevor Noah]

I'll change my vote to yes.

[Christiana]

Oh, Josh.

[Josh]

Yeah. Wow.

[Trevor Noah]

No, no, no. Now you cleared. I'll change my vote to yes.

[Christiana]

Okay. So as somebody who recently gave birth and has given birth without drugs and has a very high pain threshold. Like, I3D printed a human through my vagina, Josh. So, like, and I was nine months pregnant. I think you underestimate how. And then there's people that live with chronic pain, how pain can kind of just become ambient. I think you're describing very damaged people right now. I think Alex Jones needs to do a lot of, like, spiritual work, not to, like, psychologize him, but, like, this is very damaged person. And there are certain types of people that a, have a high pain threshold, are used to chronic pain. Pain is always ambient. And there are some people who thrive off pain.

[Josh]

I forgot about the boners.

[Christiana]

There are people who thrive off pain.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Trevor Noah]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Nope, you're right.

[Christiana]

I know this woman called Laura Checkaway. She made this great documentary called Lucky about this girl who I think lives in the Bronx. And she's, like, really charismatic and beautiful, and she's covered in tattoos, right?

[Trevor Noah]

Yeah.

[Christiana]

And she says in the documentary, see, I shit it on documentary, but that's actually a really good documentary. She says they were like, why do you have all these tattoos on your face? And she'd had a really tough life, and she says, I can't really locate the pain I feel emotionally. So every time I get a tattoo, I can feel the pain physically.

[Trevor Noah]

Damn.

[Christiana]

I'm paraphrasing it now. And it made me look at, like, you know, psychic pain a bit differently. And look at people that have lots of piercings and people that have lots of tattoos, like they're actually trying to physically experience something that they only experience emotionally and can't often locate. And I think that we're talking about very emotionally damaged people. If you're, like, willfully putting bad information in the world for your own gain. And I think you underestimate how many people, for whatever reasons, maybe they've had really tough lives or maybe they're sociopathic, who would actually enjoy that sensation of pain. It's making them feel something.

[Josh]

Jeez.

[Christiana]

Right. And I see. I feel like Trump is in that category because of his own damage. He likes to feel like the thing that we're like, ugh. Everyone thinks you're awful. You're a nasty person. He gets a rush from that pain and that criticism. And I do fear you would create a world where people would seek out that pain.

[Trevor Noah]

You basically saying we'd create, like, super villains.

[Christiana]

The Joker.

[Trevor Noah]

Yeah, yeah. That's what it sounds like.

[Christiana]

You're saying, like, you know, damn, look nice. We're already in a world where people like self harm for various reasons. And I'm just like, there's part of the human experience where pain can be very validating and offers release. My worry is that some of these bad actors feeling the pain are just going to do more bad things. And that's why it's a no, not because I don't think it's a good idea.

[Josh]

Yeah, yeah. No, no. Those. Those people will probably have to be tackled.

[Trevor Noah]

Damn, Josh, you were close.

[Christiana]

I do like the underlying.

[Trevor Noah]

Yeah, you were close.

[Christiana]

And there's something there.

[Josh]

No, I'll keep working on it.

[Christiana]

Yeah, I keep working. Yeah.

[Josh]

I mean, we've actually never done an if I ruled the world, that was a revised idea of an old idea.

[Trevor Noah]

That's true.

[Christiana]

Yeah, that's true. Okay, so you're going to come back, workshop it.

[Josh]

I might. It might be three weeks. If I rule the world later, this is gonna take time. Now I forgot about a whole demographic of people and everything.

[Trevor Noah]

Super villains.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Trevor Noah]

Don't forget the supervillains. And now it's time for today's Self Care Toolkit segment, brought to you by Amazon. Whether it's delivering medication to your door with Amazon Pharmacy or 247 virtual care with Amazon One medical, thanks to Amazon. Amazon healthcare just got less painful. What's your sick day routine? Because we all have one, even if we don't admit it. There's a rhythm to it. You know, the minute your body gives up and you surrender to the couch, everything else follows. The food, the tv, the music, the mood. I mean, there's movies, obviously. Movies. You can't watch anything new when you're sick. That's a rule. It has to be something familiar, something you've seen a dozen times. For me, it's something random, like the Princess Bride, Ocean's Eleven, or Finding Nemo. Yes. Something warm, something where you already know how it ends. And that's the point. Because I don't know where this sickness is going, man. Oh, it's got to be music. You know, music. Soft and low key, lo fi beats, acoustic soul, maybe a little Nora Jones. You know, if you're really leaning in, it's less about listening and more about setting the tone. The background sound for your inner drama. Maybe reading. No, that was a fake. I'm not gonna read. Forget it. I always think I'll catch up on a book, but let's be honest. I stare at the ceiling or scroll through my phone at like 5% brightness, like I'm decoding ancient texts. I'm not reading a book when I'm sick. Feels like somebody squeezing my nose into my head. Want me to concentrate on words written on a page. More focused on food. Yes, food. That's the one part I take seriously. It has to be hot and comforting. Ramen or grilled cheese with tomato soup. They say the two come together to cure any ailments. Something simple that wraps you up from the inside, you know, and honestly, the best part is that one friend who always checks in. You know who that friend is? Or maybe you are that friend. The. Hey. I heard your voice in that meeting. You sounded like a dying person. Are you okay? That friend was like, hey, I've noticed you weren't in the group chat laughing at all the memes. Are you still alive? Yeah, just that little person. That little voice, note or text that slips in to let you know that you matter. I feel like that's part of the medicine. Sick days are weirdly sacred. They're like a reset button wrapped in a hoodie. And when you get the routine just right, even being sick feels kind of bearable. Well, we hope you gave you some ideas for your self care routine. Today's Self Care Toolkit segment was brought to you by Amazon, thanks to Amazon Healthcare. Just Got less painful. All right, so Christiana has her two votes. Josh only got one. Let's see if I can get anything out of this one. So if I ruled the world, I would make it so that every thought people are having during sex or intimacy comes out of them verbally, whether they like it or not.

[Christiana]

This is insane, man.

[Josh]

This man trying to get another.

[Trevor Noah]

Let me finish. Let me finish.

[Josh]

Yep, yep, yep.

[Trevor Noah]

You will be making out with somebody. And, like, in my world, it, like, comes out of every. Don't worry. Don't worry about, like, oh, but I'm kissing them. No, it might come out. It might play out of your ears. This is the world I'm creating.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Trevor Noah]

Think of it as, like, having a little speaker on you. Not visible, but you're making out with somebody. And whatever you're thinking comes out of you.

[Christiana]

Me. Oh, I need to do the washing. Oh, I need to.

[Trevor Noah]

That's fine. Whatever it is comes out of you. And if you're having sex with somebody, whatever you're thinking, whatever they're thinking, it comes out of them and the other person is able to hear it while this is happening.

[Josh]

Okay, this is the whole idea.

[Trevor Noah]

This is the complete idea, Josh.

[Josh]

Okay.

[Trevor Noah]

Right.

[Josh]

Cool.

[Trevor Noah]

Now I will tell you why.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Christiana]

Okay.

[Trevor Noah]

Okay. Tell you why. So the reason I think this would be a great idea is for a few reasons. One, because we live in a world where nobody teaches us about sex. Nobody. We go to school, we learn about different types of clouds. I know about cumulonimbus. I know about stratas. I know about different types of rivers. Perennial. Non. Perennial. Nobody taught me about sex at school. Like, nothing. They taught you about, like, the genitalia. That's not sex. They did not teach you about sex.

[Christiana]

I mean, there's a reason you can't, like, demonstrate sex to children, but you're.

[Trevor Noah]

Not taught about sex. And this is the thing that.

[Christiana]

But the best way to learn about sex is sometimes experiential.

[Trevor Noah]

No, no, no, no, no. I think there's ways you can learn about a thing without doing it. So here's the thing. I. Sometimes we'll make these arguments, but then, like, go watch a cartoon. They showed things like, there's cartoons where they're shooting each other's heads off and getting blown up and all kinds of things. You know how many times Bugs Bunny blew off Elmer Fudd's head with a gun? But nobody said, you can't show kids somebody shooting someone's head off.

[Christiana]

I mean, someone probably should have said that.

[Trevor Noah]

Yeah, but what I'm Saying is like, we will say. I'm saying sex is a good and natural part of life, okay? And I'm saying, in our lives, no one teaches it to us. Now, I'm not saying. I'm not even saying. When you brought children in, by the way, let the record show. I said nothing about children. And Christiana all of a sudden threw children at me. As if. Now I was saying. I just said, we don't get taught about sex. I'm saying, even when we're 21, there's no sex school. You know what I mean? When we're 18, there's no sex school. So this is the first part. No one teaches us about sex. Secondly, we have done a terrible job at working in and around consent. Just let's be honest. We've made. We've done a terrible job. The MeToo movement came and went, and what did we actually learn from it? Right? Almost nothing. Half of the people are like, well, this is why I'm not gonna have a woman in my office. That doesn't seem like the lesson we were trying to learn. Do you get what I'm saying? But also, we didn't dive into the nuances. We didn't talk about how consent is fluid and is always moving and is sometimes verbal, sometimes non verbal, sometimes culturally defined. It's complicated. It's difficult. That's what I'm saying. In my world, when you are being intimate with somebody, every thought you are having would be loudly and clearly projected to the other person.

[Christiana]

Okay, but, Trevor, why not just do the school of sex first before you have to do the thoughts?

[Trevor Noah]

Yes. Okay. Another reason for this is because I think a lot of couples out there have sex lives that diminish over time because they're not sharing what's in their mind and they can't, like, tap into it. So you hear many stories of women who are not being pleasured and they don't say it to their partner. And then, like, 15 years down the line, they're like, ah, yeah, it wasn't working for me. The sex wasn't great. And you're like, this poor guy, he didn't know. He never got a chance.

[Christiana]

Wouldn't the school of sex help?

[Trevor Noah]

No, no, but the school. Yeah, but the school. Remember, people. People fail in school all the time.

[Christiana]

That's okay. Fail is okay.

[Trevor Noah]

No, no, no, no.

[Christiana]

People fail at sex all the time.

[Trevor Noah]

Yeah, but you see, in my world, it's not about the failure nor the success. It's just about the raw honesty that the thing would provide. Okay?

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Trevor Noah]

Think of it the other way as well. Like, there are men out there who might have, like a fantasy or something they want to think about and they want to share and they can't share. And then it blocks them off from their partner both ways. It can go, by the way, on. On. I don't even think it's gendered. I'm just saying these are examples. And so I'm saying you'd be having the sex, and to your point, you might go, I have to do the washing. I have to do the dishes. I have to. And then your husband could say to you, baby, you don't worry about the dishes right now. I got you, babe. You don't need to worry about those dishes.

[Christiana]

Okay.

[Trevor Noah]

Okay.

[Christiana]

I've got. I've got a couple of things.

[Trevor Noah]

You can ask as many questions as you like.

[Christiana]

So there's this guy I follow on TikTok. I forget his name. I think we should have him on the show.

[Trevor Noah]

Yeah.

[Christiana]

He's a PhD. He's a professor who studies, like, boyhood and manhood. And one of the studies they did was about what men think about during sex.

[Trevor Noah]

Okay.

[Christiana]

And they got these men to speak to, you know, I don't know how they conduct this experiment.

[Trevor Noah]

It's probably all lies, but carry on.

[Christiana]

No, and it was very revealing feeling. Men said they think about other men in the sense they think about what they're going to tell their friend about. Who are these guys anyway? He goes through all, man.

[Trevor Noah]

You see, this is what I don't like. These are lies. But wait, sorry, carry on. These are lies.

[Christiana]

Now he's become anti intellectual because he doesn't like it.

[Trevor Noah]

No, these are lies.

[Josh]

You know?

[Christiana]

Okay.

[Josh]

They're just gonna say, like, these are. Josh.

[Trevor Noah]

Okay, okay.

[Josh]

Josh.

[Trevor Noah]

Josh.

[Christiana]

What? What? He was just saying it was interesting. And the men think about their insecurities. Men think, what does she think about my body? Men. It was like, very vulnerable.

[Trevor Noah]

Oh, yeah, but that's everyone, right? That part is everyone.

[Christiana]

And my thing is, I don't know if men are ready for what women think about them during sex because some of it is not very nice. And you can go away with a lasting scar about what she thinks about your physical appearance.

[Trevor Noah]

This is great.

[Christiana]

And I think there's a reason thoughts are private. I was gonna say privates are private. But thoughts are private.

[Trevor Noah]

No, but these privates are thoughts that are gonna not be private. Here's a counterargument to what you're saying. And I'm with you completely. Remember, in my world, you will not know the before. Remember, these are the rules of. If I ruled the world. The people are not going to now. It's not a new thing for them. I'm just saying, for all of us. It switches. Tomorrow, we will not remember what it was. Okay, so everyone will be experiencing this at some point. You will become immunized to it.

[Christiana]

No, I think people just won't have sex.

[Trevor Noah]

You think people. You think you can stop people from having sex?

[Christiana]

I think I would not want to.

[Trevor Noah]

People. You know that in. In refugee camps, people have sex.

[Josh]

I'm with you.

[Trevor Noah]

I'm just letting you know now.

[Josh]

Yeah, but those thoughts are pretty quiet. Just like the sex.

[Trevor Noah]

But, man, people have sex everywhere.

[Josh]

I'm with you.

[Trevor Noah]

People in jail have sex.

[Christiana]

Cause there are no thoughts. Yeah, you don't know the thoughts.

[Josh]

Cause this is what I'm. This is. I want you to win here. I want to see you succeed. So these are my questions, all right?

[Trevor Noah]

Do you know how good the sex can be if people reveal their intimate secrets? No, because they can't. That's what I'm saying. In my world, they are just sexual saying it. That's what I'm saying.

[Christiana]

No, because you're forcing their thoughts.

[Trevor Noah]

Because I'm not forcing it. It just happens to you.

[Christiana]

But no, because you change.

[Trevor Noah]

It's like a fart that you can't block, but from your mind.

[Christiana]

Have you smelled farts?

[Trevor Noah]

Yes, but that's what. Okay, now, actually, this is a great point. If you hang out with your friends, your closest friends, people who you really love and vibe, your kids, even you tell me that farts haven't brought you closer together. People love to intellectualize so many things in this world. But let's be honest, Josh. You're hanging out with somebody close to you. You're a couple, Any couple who's listening to this right now, you think to yourself, you're a couple. You're in bed together. One of you farts. Tell me that that moment doesn't bring joy into your life, because when you.

[Christiana]

Have kids, you just blame it on one of the kids.

[Trevor Noah]

Yeah, but it's funny. But it's funny. You see, it brings you something. You fought with your friends. When do you not fart? When you. You do not fart with people that you are not comfortable with. Environments that you are not comfortable in.

[Josh]

Right.

[Trevor Noah]

In environments. So what I'm saying is the fart is a great measure for where you are most comfortable. Ah, let it loose, let it rip.

[Christiana]

But you're doing it. You're consenting. To the fart coming out. Cause you're comfortable.

[Trevor Noah]

Yes, but the other consent.

[Christiana]

I'm not consenting to the thought coming out. And if I consent to the thought coming out, I just say it. That's why we have mouths.

[Trevor Noah]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. But what I'm saying is here, I'm helping people, just letting it come out.

[Josh]

Okay, So I have three questions because I. Once again, I think this is a very interesting idea. When your thought comes out.

[Trevor Noah]

Yes.

[Josh]

Can you talk while your thought comes out?

[Trevor Noah]

You can't talk at the same time.

[Josh]

You can't talk at the same time as your thought comes out.

[Trevor Noah]

You can't think a different thing to what you're saying.

[Josh]

Okay. Because you can think so fast and because you can think faster than you can speak. You could speak and then think, and then the thought comes out right after.

[Trevor Noah]

That's true. That's true.

[Josh]

Right.

[Trevor Noah]

So you could say, oh, this is the best sex I ever had. And then your brain goes, no, it's not.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Trevor Noah]

Yes.

[Christiana]

I need one. That person to hear that.

[Trevor Noah]

Yeah, you can. You can do that. Yes.

[Josh]

Then the other two things, which I feel like are the sticking points for.

[Trevor Noah]

Can I tell you why? Can I. Let me ask you. So I'll tell you why. Why? Because I think in my world, I think there could be something beautiful on the other side of the friction that we would experience initially. Cause. Yes, I understand where you're coming from. Please don't get me wrong. Even me, myself, when I came up with this idea, I was like, trevor, this is crazy to me. Myself.

[Josh]

Yeah, right.

[Trevor Noah]

Because I challenged myself as well. And then I thought, but think about how beautiful this moment could be. You're having sex with somebody, right? They go, this is the best sex I ever had. Then their brain voice comes out and goes, no, it's not. I've had much better sex.

[Christiana]

You want to end a conversation? No, no, no.

[Trevor Noah]

They. You can. You wouldn't even think about is marriage the first time you guys are having sex.

[Christiana]

No, but what if somebody is thinking about an ex or thinking about what they watch?

[Trevor Noah]

I think that this opens us up to the world of intimacy that we often act like isn't happening already. And I think so. For instance, somebody says, this is the best sex. No, it's not. Then you could say, oh, why did you lie to me? Now your brain might even say that.

[Christiana]

People are going to get shot. Trevor.

[Trevor Noah]

Christiana, why are you jumping?

[Christiana]

Men are going to shoot their wives, and wives are going to stab their husband.

[Trevor Noah]

Okay, Christiana, you understand that people are not having sex for the first time when they're married. You're jumping straight to that.

[Christiana]

People have had sex along the way. Sure, but you've had sex along the way. The thought. You see, hear a thought, and someone just like, oh, her titties are lopsided.

[Trevor Noah]

Shank them.

[Josh]

I think you're just.

[Christiana]

And I love. I love what I love. Why? The intention behind it. Like, I'm not hating on there, Jay. For real. You want, like, this radical transparency and honesty and freedom and intimacy and liberation. Yeah. I just think it could.

[Trevor Noah]

And it could be fun.

[Christiana]

It could be fun and interesting, very emotional and.

[Trevor Noah]

But I'm saying that would happen only because now you. We're in it, remember? We'll become a little more robust as people. This is like, how we are.

[Christiana]

I don't think so.

[Trevor Noah]

This is just how we are. Don't go. Because we got more. What now after this.

[Josh]

This. These are the stigma points I have. Right?

[Trevor Noah]

Okay.

[Josh]

Is that one. We know this from comedy. All three of us know this from comedy. That sometimes you have a comedic thought, which is a joke.

[Trevor Noah]

Yes.

[Josh]

And people will see you perform the joke in a place that's also a setting for jokes.

[Trevor Noah]

Yes.

[Josh]

And they'll still be like. Like they meant it. Okay, so now a thought that is like a sexy thought, or I'm just thinking, or I'm thinking whatever, is gonna now seem like. Cause remember, you can't hear the thoughts when we're not being intimate.

[Trevor Noah]

Yes.

[Josh]

So now the only time I hear your thoughts, it's gonna be a thing that might be slightly negative or be a thing that, like, takes the fantasy too far. Cause you gotta remember for people who are in the, like, S and M or anything like that, there might be a moment where it's like, you're consensually choking someone who wants to be choked. But in your. In your head you're like, I'mma kill you. And now you were never going to kill them. You were never going to kill. They were audibly here, I'm killing you. So now they're like.

[Trevor Noah]

No. But then they would say in their brain, please don't kill me. So they stopped thinking. They would be like, you're going to kill me. And then your brain would go like, no, I'm not going to kill you.

[Josh]

No, no, we're playing. We're playing.

[Trevor Noah]

We're just playing.

[Josh]

But now you've distracted from the thing that they were enjoying, which was the, like, little rough chokey thing. Because now you had to think around the thing you could have been.

[Trevor Noah]

I can.

[Christiana]

I can take this thing as well.

[Trevor Noah]

Okay.

[Christiana]

Because, like. Because I'm married. I'm just in, like, married and couple lands.

[Trevor Noah]

Yes.

[Christiana]

What does this mean for casual sex? Because most sex, really, that people are having, like, whether you're someone you swiped on Tinder or Grindr. Yeah, it's a stranger. It could be someone you met at.

[Trevor Noah]

A club, loving it.

[Christiana]

What does it mean for casual sex?

[Trevor Noah]

What do you mean, what does it mean for it?

[Christiana]

Because then it could be, like, an encounter. And it's.

[Trevor Noah]

I think it would be great.

[Christiana]

And the guy's like, oh, my God, think about how much my wife finds out. And you're like, what shit you got.

[Trevor Noah]

But that's fantastic. You see, you're just telling me a good thing.

[Josh]

No, that's double stabs. Now you get stabbed. I think this is a good thing.

[Trevor Noah]

But remember, I said when you are being intimate. So I'm saying even, like, when you start kissing. And remember, I didn't say. I didn't just say sex. I said the intimacy as soon as you begin. Oh, you did say that.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Trevor Noah]

So, like, from the moment, you know, that moment where we, like. We, like, look at somebody and then there's the silence, then we think something. Then the voice would come out and be like, I wonder if now's a good time to kiss them.

[Christiana]

Isn't there something. Isn't there, like, an app that we could. I think there's just something that's an in between. I think, like, I like the school of sex thing that you were talking about that we don't have.

[Trevor Noah]

Yes.

[Christiana]

I think there's lots of steps we can get to before this kind of black mirror world where people know sex.

[Josh]

Because you gotta remember, you kiss. This is the only other thing that I have.

[Christiana]

But I'm not saying it's a terrible. It just feels like the most extreme version of this problem we're trying to solve.

[Josh]

It does feel like radical honesty. But I think that there's a world where. Because you and I, Trevor, are both men and we understand what men are like.

[Trevor Noah]

Yes.

[Josh]

I had to sit down a couple of my friends who did not believe me when I told them there were plenty of men in this world who will act flamboyant, they'll even act gay to get in with you. And now that they're your gay best friend, and y'all touch or y'all play or whatever, now you're like, oh, I've never thought about you this way. And I've never been with A one. All lies.

[Trevor Noah]

All lies.

[Josh]

But literally that much of a long game. And I worry that you will create Jedis of men who know their thoughts are gonna be heard. So they're like, I gotta. Cause you gotta remember. You gotta remember. A lot of dudes, you seem to.

[Trevor Noah]

Be able to control their thoughts to that point 100%.

[Josh]

Because this is the thing. They know when it's gonna be turned on, so they know how they have to think for it. Then they know when it's going off. So then they can be like, oof, okay. Right. Right after she leaves. I'm saying already in this analogy, yes, a lot of guys during sex are trying not to end sex. They're fighting to keep the sex going. So a lot of what you'll hear are baseball statistics. A lot of it'll just be like, the Great Bamboni. And so now she's like, why is he. Why is he just doing numbers in his head?

[Trevor Noah]

But I think you are spending. You are doing what? What I did when I first heard about Airbnb and Uber. The first time I heard about Airbnb, I was like, this is never gonna work. I remember hearing about it as a concept. They said, there's this app. People stay at strangers houses. I was like, this will never work. Nobody is gonna allow a stranger to come into their home and live there. Sometimes stay with them. That'll never happen. Nobody trusts each other. Uber. I remember being like, this is the craziest idea I've ever heard. You're telling me people are gonna drive their own car to pick you up, and they don't know you, and they're not a professional driver. They're just a random driver. I was like, I don't know. And yet, look, we get into Ubers with strangers all the time. We go live at Airbnbs all the time. And yes, there's the occasional friction. I'm not saying it's perfect, but for the most part, it works. And I. I honestly, both of you, as brilliant thinkers and as my friends, I hear what you're saying, but I think you're focusing on the friction side of it more than you are on what comes from the other side of it. So to your point, I think there would be something beautiful in the person who's having sex with the man going, baseball stats. And then he goes, yes, I'm trying to prolong my ejaculation. I'm trying to make sure that I don't ejaculate.

[Josh]

Oh, oh, oh. Just did it. Cause I mentioned it. And now where are we? See, you interrupted my snaps.

[Trevor Noah]

No, but you see. But now I think it opens up. There's an intimacy. Cause now she can go, oh, why are you trying that hard not to ejaculate? Or I think there's, like, something that can open up in a way that right now we don't have in sex. This is what I'm saying.

[Christiana]

Why don't just go to a sex therapist? Therapist.

[Trevor Noah]

Cristiano, how can people just afford sex therapists randomly?

[Christiana]

What? You rule the world. You can give sex therapy away for free.

[Trevor Noah]

Yes, but now that's like, everyone has to go through the thing and do the thing. I'm just. Instantly, we're in it.

[Christiana]

I really need you to sell me on what the upside of this is. I'm really. I'm really. I'm not focusing on the only.

[Trevor Noah]

The only. So the only. Okay, I'll tell you that there are three upsides.

[Josh]

I think it's going to help you on the upside.

[Trevor Noah]

So there are three upsides that I think upside number one, I think we lose a lot of intimacy and sex because we hide numerous things. We hide the fact that we're uncomfortable. We hide the fact that we don't know how we feel for the other person. We hide so many things that I think rob us of the intimacy that we could be experiencing. So from fresh hookups all the way to married couples. You know, how many guys out there have no idea how, quote, unquote terrible the sex was with the girl they were with, and she's like, I don't know if I can. I really like the date that we went on, but that was just horrible. And. And this person doesn't know they're a nice person. And then maybe they become less of a nice person. Cause they're like, why don't I get second hookups? Or we go on dates and they like me, but this happens, Right? And then also for a woman, it's like, imagine what it's like to be you in a world where you're not getting great sex because you don't want to hurt the person's feeling. But now it's not you. The thing is just happening to her. So the first thing I'm saying is I think it would open up a lot of intimacy channels. These are the upsides. I understand the downsides. I think another thing it would do is it would help people voice the moment where they're uncomfortable, where I think sometimes the other person doesn't even know. And I think this can happen both ways. Sometimes people are uncomfortable, and it would be great if your brain could just say, I'm uncomfortable. And then you go like, oh, damn, you're uncomfortable.

[Christiana]

Okay, but don't you worry that by creating this shortcut, then people just aren't gonna do what I think is the proper work of spending time and getting to know someone. And whether it's your casual hookup or whether it's like, people been together for a long time, if you know their thoughts are just gonna be downloaded to you, you're like, I'm not gonna ask my wife about her day. I just know during sex I'm gonna hear about, oh, that bitch in the office was talking about me.

[Trevor Noah]

No, but that depends on what people think about during sex. I think we should give people some credit. Some people are able to really focus on the sex.

[Christiana]

We can't focus. We're on our phones all the time.

[Trevor Noah]

No, I think there's a lot of times when people are having sex going, this feels amazing. I love this person so much. I'm so lucky. What an amazing experience.

[Christiana]

I don't wanna.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Trevor Noah]

Whatever it might be. But I. But I think there are. I think there are those. And so I'm willing to take a little bit of the friction for what I think could be a beautiful, open, honest, and interesting conversation that we could be having during sex.

[Josh]

This is the thing I was gonna say that might help you. Who knows? People probably, I'm assuming, don't quite have some of the sensitivities that they have in our current world.

[Trevor Noah]

That's what I mean. Because in the room, it's always been like this.

[Josh]

It's always been.

[Trevor Noah]

It's always been like this.

[Josh]

It's always been like this.

[Trevor Noah]

So they just. That's what happens during sex.

[Josh]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, Gotcha.

[Trevor Noah]

It's the same way.

[Christiana]

So you're asking me, like, do. Do I want to live in a world where this is true?

[Trevor Noah]

That's what I mean. Cause think of it this way. Thank you, Josh. Actually, because think of how crazy our current sex is. Imagine if we lived in an alternate universe and I had pitched this to you, and I said, if I ruled the world, I would make it so that whenever people orgasm, their face goes like this. And then they go like, e. I don't think either of you would say yes to that.

[Josh]

Sure, sure, sure.

[Trevor Noah]

You would go, why would. You might even say, why would anyone have sex? If you're gonna end it with, why would anyone have sex?

[Christiana]

So I.

[Trevor Noah]

Thank you, Josh, because that is exactly what I'm Saying is yes to us. It is weird now because we think tomorrow it'll be that. But for the people of this world that I rule, it will be like that. There was no other way. And so I think their journey will come with different frictions, but I think a more holistic, honest, and intimate experience.

[Josh]

Okay, I think I might be out of questions, but I guess my other thing is that not to lean heavily on the friction forever, but I guess there are things of, like, even if we're having a coffee together and you just keep checking your phone, you're giving me the impression you want to be somewhere else and you want to do something else.

[Trevor Noah]

Yes.

[Josh]

So then when I'm like, hey, are you late? Do you need to go? Whatever? And you're like, no, no, no, I'm fine. But then you do keep doing this. Yes, that for me, I think you'll have a hard time. While sex will become more honest and more, like, understanding of what the experience was for both people. I wonder if you would not actually slightly increase the amount of bad sex because of just how the brain works. Even in your alternate universe where people know this is gonna happen, there's still a level of like. Like, sex is already this the most intimate thing you can do with a person. So if they are clearly thinking about someone else or don't want to be there while consenting in a way, like, don't.

[Christiana]

You know, I think in this world, we haven't considered sex workers. And if you're a sex worker and it's your occupation, sometimes you're at your job and you're not enjoying your job. Yeah, I'm thinking about sex workers work. Yeah.

[Josh]

Because you went to a restaurant, and then they're taking your order, but they're also like, this dumbass forehead like that. Like, that would. That would be like, oh, I don't even know if I want to eat here anymore.

[Christiana]

And I just feel like for people that do sex work in this unit, because they're going to be. Sex work, prostitution. It's the oldest job in the world. There's no multiverse.

[Trevor Noah]

Okay.

[Christiana]

Where it doesn't. You don't have it. I feel like if you're a sex worker and you know that every client is gonna have insight into what you're thinking, it makes the job harder, and their work is hard enough for. As it is. Mm.

[Trevor Noah]

Okay. I'm ready for my votes.

[Josh]

Okay, so I'm actually gonna vote yes, right? I'm voting yes because I do think there are a lot of people who don't deserve to be having sex. And this will ruin them. This will. We just got Doc Josh. We really got Doc Josh today. This will take them down. Right? Like I said before about us being men and us, like, knowing what other men are like.

[Trevor Noah]

Yes.

[Josh]

And I'm like, if there was a thing that was not me as your friend to, like, one of my female friends, Right. Who was telling on him right now, if there was something he could do that could tell on himself, maybe you'd finally see it.

[Trevor Noah]

Yeah, actually, that's a good point.

[Josh]

And I think that only in a world like this will that happen.

[Christiana]

Yeah.

[Josh]

And so I would say, yeah, I do consider the sex work part of what you're talking about. Cause then sex workers would have to become Jedi experts at, like.

[Trevor Noah]

But nobody can. In my world.

[Josh]

They can't do the Jedi thing.

[Trevor Noah]

It's what's in your mind. It's what's really in your mind.

[Josh]

Ooh. Okay. Okay. Well, then it's worth the takedown of terrible people.

[Trevor Noah]

I see.

[Josh]

So I'm a vote yes.

[Trevor Noah]

Thank you so much.

[Christiana]

No surprises. I'm gonna vote no. But I actually do appreciate the problem you're trying to solve.

[Trevor Noah]

Okay.

[Christiana]

And I think if the steps before getting to this, like, brain thing are good steps, and I just worry, like, a Elon Musk type could hack it, or, you know, it's just.

[Trevor Noah]

No, there's no hacking. It's. In my world, it's perfect, unhackable.

[Christiana]

The idea is not even perfect.

[Trevor Noah]

So how can your world be perfect? But, I mean, the execution is.

[Josh]

You know what I think could have won Christiana over, though, is if your world where you do this thing is like the total recall thing. So you put the thing on and then you can hear the thoughts, but it's like a thing that you have to switch on.

[Trevor Noah]

No.

[Christiana]

Okay, Trevor. Because you could sway me to be a yes if. If. Is there an opt in, opt out option?

[Trevor Noah]

Oh. Oh, that's interesting. I'm in for that.

[Christiana]

So if there's opt in.

[Trevor Noah]

Oh, yeah, I'm definitely in for that.

[Christiana]

I vote yes.

[Josh]

Wait, no. Then I gotta vote no.

[Trevor Noah]

How'd I just lose you?

[Josh]

Because every dude I was trying to destroy will now opt out.

[Trevor Noah]

Yeah, but. But now.

[Josh]

Or he'll convince his girl to opt out.

[Trevor Noah]

But now, wouldn't that be okay? I hear what you're saying there, but I mean, that would be suspicious. Imagine you're gonna have sex with someone, and it's like, so we both. You wanna do some honest sex, and they're like, Nah, I don't do that.

[Josh]

Yeah. What do you think condoms are, bro? Like, that's what people do it half the time. Hey, hey. You on birth control or whatever, right? Okay. Like that? Like that.

[Trevor Noah]

Okay.

[Christiana]

All right.

[Trevor Noah]

So I would get a yes from you, but then I would flip to a no from you.

[Christiana]

I'm sorry, whose vote do you value more?

[Trevor Noah]

Ah, the opt in is so much fun.

[Christiana]

Yeah, opt in, opt out. I think it's great.

[Trevor Noah]

So much.

[Christiana]

Trevor, let me tell you something about opt in or out. Opt out for couples. That can be the thing that makes it really risky. So, like, are we gonna wear the headset tonight?

[Trevor Noah]

I actually like this a lot. Just like the idea of like, yo, you want to be in my head tonight?

[Christiana]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Trevor Noah]

There's something sexy.

[Christiana]

So if it's opt in, opt out. Absolutely. But if it's like a thing that a feature all humans have in this science fiction.

[Trevor Noah]

No, I. Look, I like yours because it just brought more mischief into my world, but I actually like it being everyone and everything because I think sometimes people are tired and they don't want to have sex and then they have sex and then there's too many things. So I still like it. No opt in, no opt out. No manipulation. No one convincing you to opt in or telling you why you should opt out. Someone's going to make a church of opt outers and be like, it's sinful to opt in. There'll be a whole thing.

[Christiana]

Okay, I'm sorry, then it's a no.

[Josh]

Okay, it is a yes from me.

[Trevor Noah]

Well, I'll take my one vote. Josh got one vote for his if I ruled the world, I got one vote for my if I ruled the world. And Christiana, once again, you are the champion of. Of if I ruled the world. Thank you to everyone who submitted their suggestions to us. By the way, for all of you who got the yeses, I envy you. And to all of you who got the nos, I feel your pain. I feel it like Josh. Like, Josh sent it to me in my bones. This was fun. Thanks, y'all.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Trevor Noah]

Thank what now with Trevor Noah is produced by Spotify Studios in partnership with Day Zero Productions. The show is executive produced by Trevor Noah, Sanaz Yamin and Jodi Avigan. Our senior producer is Jess Hackle. Claire Slaughter is our producer. Music, mixing and mastering by Hannis Brown. Thank you so much for listening. Join me next Thursday for another episode of what now Sa.