This week, we talk to the great Sarah Stillman, Pulitzer Prize-winning staff writer at The New Yorker and MacArthur Fellow who teaches investigative reporting at Yale. Her work focuses on profiteering in the criminal justice system—from debtors' prisons and civil asset forfeiture to for-profit prison communications and companies exploiting disaster-recovery workers during climate crises. She previously ran Columbia's Global Migration Project, investigating immigration detention and asylum-seekers' rights.

In this episode, we discuss:

* That the numbers are staggering—180,000 people deported so far this term, with $170 billion set aside for enforcement

* How family separations aren't just cruel policy—they're a deliberate tool that strips people of their humanity by cutting them off from anyone who sees them as infinitely valuable

* The weird and disturbing practice of sending deportees to random countries they've never been to (like Mexican nationals being held in South Sudan)

* Why enforcement is hitting people who used to be left alone—students, green card holders, even kids who are U.S. citizens

* How private detention has created a system that's actually bigger than our entire federal prison system

* What happens when climate change forces mass migration, and whether our current asylum laws account for it

* The workers rebuilding after climate disasters—many of them climate refugees themselves—who face deportation while fixing the homes of people who vote for anti-immigration policies

* Why Sarah thinks actual reporting on human stories matters way more than all the political punditry filling up our feeds

* The right to hug your parent when they're in jail (yes, that's a real legal fight happening right now)

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