Welcome to the What's Next! Podcast with Tiffani Bova.

My guest is Eric Ries, someone who has changed the way founders and companies think about innovation, experimentation, and growth through The Lean Startup. After spending decades helping companies scale, Eric has started asking a very different question: why do so many successful companies slowly become the thing they once set out to disrupt? His new book, Incorruptible, explores this.

THIS EPISODE IS PERFECT FOR…founders, executives, and business leaders who want to build organizations that stay true to their mission as they grow.

TODAY'S MAIN MESSAGE…most companies don't lose their values overnight, they drift away from them one decision, one incentive, and one compromise at a time. Eric argues that this kind of organizational corruption isn't caused by bad people, but by systems that reward short-term thinking over long-term purpose. He explains why mission, governance, and incentives must work together if companies want to grow without losing what made them successful in the first place. Most importantly, he reminds us that building a great company isn't just about scaling but about creating an organization that can stay true to its purpose over time.

KEY TAKEAWAYS:

• Organizational drift happens gradually, not all at once.

• A mission should guide decisions long after a company begins to scale.

• Long-term value is created by serving customers and employees first.

• Great companies are intentionally built to resist corruption.

WHAT I LOVE MOST…Eric's bridge analogy perfectly captures the challenge leaders face. Corruption isn't inevitable, it happens when organizations are built with the wrong materials. Eric reminds us that leaders have the opportunity to design them differently from the start.

Running Time: 36:18

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How Is Incorruptible Going?

Eric's Book: Incorruptible: Why Good Companies Go Bad... and How Great Companies Stay Great