Drew Afualo

Summary

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What's Our Podcast? with Beck Bennett and Kyle Mooney

Episode: Drew Afualo
Date: March 11, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this vibrant and irreverent episode, Beck Bennett and Kyle Mooney (of SNL fame) are joined by TikTok sensation, author, and podcaster Drew Afualo. As is the show's running bit, Beck and Kyle still don’t know what their podcast should be about—and hope their guest can guide them. The conversation bounces from music and childhood creativity to internet trolling, viral fame, and (somehow) an in-depth, comedic exploration of Viking funerals. Drew brings humor, candor, and confidence as the trio delight in both deep and deeply silly riffs, all while illuminating the power and pitfalls of online culture.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Early Banter: Scatting, Vibrations, and Childhood Bands

[00:32–09:05]

• Beck and Kyle engage in playful scatting, attempting (badly) to impersonate Louis Armstrong and David Lee Roth, with running commentary from Richelle, their producer.
• They physically "vibrate" and joke about teaching their audience to do the same at a live show.
• Nostalgically, both recount formative musical experiments:
  • Beck played in a guitar-driven comedy hip-hop duo, ska band (“Cord is a Monkey Now”), and more.
  • Kyle recalls attempts at bands with names like “Prop 84” and his “Instruments of Intelligence” high school rap group—complete with a live, self-conscious rap sample (“I utilize vinyl tracks…”).
• Quote:
  • Kyle: “I utilize the efforts of talented cats. I utilize my beats to bring hip hop back.” [08:24]
• Both agree that old creative work often feels cringey in retrospect, yet brought happiness at the time.

On Podcasting, Friendship, and the Art of the Clip

[09:05–10:28]

• The hosts reflect on how they’re spending more time together than since their SNL days, and how the little quirks that once annoyed them have softened.
• They riff on what goes viral:
  • “Some people love controversy. The internet is all about controversy.” (Beck) [09:52]
  • Kyle jokes about trolling listeners with random “controversial” takes, e.g., “A blanket can’t get me warm.”
• The format is set: guests come on to pitch what their podcast should be about.

Introducing Drew Afualo: TikTok Fame, Identity, and Red Flags

[10:40–13:05]

• Drew is celebrated for her viral videos, especially “red flags in men,” calling out misogyny, fatphobia, and transphobia online.
• Key insight: Drew hails from the Inland Empire, is Samoan, and is noted for pronouncing it correctly:
  • “For everybody listening, it’s Samoan.” (Drew) [18:05]
• The group runs through red flags from Drew’s TikTok: loving Wolf of Wall Street, Joe Rogan obsession, calling women “females,” etc.

Drew’s Journey: From NFL Dreams to Viral Advocacy

[22:33–28:41]

• Drew shares her background in sports journalism, her (ultimately unhappy) dream job at the NFL, and her post-firing pivot to content.
  • “I climbed the mountain. I just really didn’t like the view.” (Drew) [23:30]
• Her viral ascent started with rant videos and culminated with her infamous “red flags” video.
• Viral Responsibility: She’s equally amused and shocked by online hate, noting the strangeness of people using their real names to send hateful messages.

Internet Hate, Clapping Back, & Platform Ethics

[28:41–37:54]

• Drew describes posting 5–6 responses per day in the early days, driven by both boredom (pandemic) and a sense of justice:
  • “I love to talk looks... That was my thing because... I think the Internet has... given people, like, anonymity, virality has really poisoned this well of, like, ‘Oh, I can be famous too if I say awful things about someone.’” (Drew) [29:00–29:42]
• She refuses the “take the high road” advice, arguing that respect must be mutual and trolling deserves roasting.
• The trio discuss how “confidence” comes from within, not male validation—a stance that resonates strongly with Drew’s following.
• Memorable quote:
  • “Respect begets respect… The minute it’s not, it’s on.” (Drew) [30:01]

Impact & Safety: The Cost of Outspokenness

[37:09–40:51]

• Drew receives many messages from people who’ve left abusive relationships or found empowerment because of her videos.
• She describes the real dangers and stress—doxxing, death threats, and platform pushback—but stresses its importance:
  • “Women deserve the freedom and the space to breathe online, and you can’t anymore… That was what kept me going.” (Drew) [39:00–39:30]
• By now, she jokes, “I cleaned the streets... It’s no longer Gotham anymore. It’s suburbia now.” [40:51]

The Viking Death Podcast (Guest-Pitched Premise)

[42:28–54:03]

• Drew pitches a parody show: “You guys should teach people how to do Viking death.” [42:28]
• The next segment is a mock-podcast on Viking funerals:
  • Discuss the mechanics (body, boat, flaming arrow), party atmosphere, environmental issues, and other afterlife options (mummification, mass Viking deaths, etc.).
  • Running gag: Who pushes the boat? Who shoots the arrow?
  • “You wrap the body… place them in a smaller canoe, and then a really big, strong man, obviously, pushes the canoe out… and someone else, maybe someone wearing glasses, shoots an arrow…” (Drew) [45:54–46:16]
  • They wonder about Viking helmet fashion, horn sizes, and petty Viking culture.
• Discussion veers to whether you could legally perform a Viking funeral today and other alternatives like “Disney Sprinkles”—a joke about surreptitiously sprinkling ashes at Disneyland.

Life, Death, and Silliness

[54:03–58:23]

• Goofs about being mummified and “Night at the Museum” come to life.
• “I think burial is actually not as environmentally friendly as cremation.” (Kyle) [52:26]
• Drew aligns herself with the Viking way (“I’m a large woman. Built for winter. A nice swing first. I would say.”) [55:32]
• They joke about planning a group Viking death for the future (“Let’s all die at the same time so we can all have Viking deaths at the same time.”) [57:06]

Wrap-up: Shoutouts and Final Thoughts

[58:24–62:28]

• The classic show close: “Name a person you know named Eric”—for the Viking Eric the Red/Eric the Viking connection.
  • “Eric Stonestreet. Do you know him personally? No, but I would like to get to know him well.” (Kyle) [59:52]
• Drew plugs her two podcasts—The Comment Section and Two Idiot Girls—plus her book Loud and upcoming projects [61:42].
• Heartfelt exchange of compliments; Drew calls both hosts “comedy legends” [62:10].

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “I climbed the mountain. I just really didn’t like the view.”
  – Drew [23:30]

• “Respect begets respect… The minute it’s not, it’s on.”
  – Drew [30:01]

• “Women deserve the freedom and the space to breathe online, and you can’t anymore… That was what kept me going.”
  – Drew [39:00–39:30]

• “I cleaned the streets... It’s no longer Gotham anymore. It’s suburbia now.”
  – Drew [40:51]

• “You wrap the body… place them in a smaller canoe, and then a really big, strong man, obviously… pushes the canoe out… and someone else, maybe someone wearing glasses, shoots an arrow…”
  – Drew [45:54–46:16]

• “I’m a large woman. Built for winter. A nice swing first I would say. Yeah. I have a of lot, a lot in common to Vikings.”
  – Drew [55:32]

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Segments and Timestamps

• [00:32–09:05] – Musical riffs, scatting, and band stories
• [09:05–10:28] – On going viral, podcast format meta-chatter
• [10:40–13:05] – Drew’s social media persona, red flags, TikTok intros
• [22:33–28:41] – Drew’s backstory, NFL to virality
• [28:41–37:54] – Dealing with trolls, self-worth, value systems
• [37:09–40:51] – Impact of advocacy, personal safety online
• [42:28–54:03] – Viking Death podcast skit, funeral rituals
• [54:03–58:23] – Silliness about death, burial choices, Viking pride
• [58:24–62:28] – Name-an-Eric, plugs, and mutual admiration

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Tone, Energy, and Listener Experience

• High-energy, loose, and deeply playful, but with undercurrents of sincerity especially in discussions of internet hate and resilience.
• Drew brings a fearless, comedic, and compassionate authenticity, balancing well with Beck and Kyle’s dry, absurdist style.
• The Viking death tangent exemplifies the show’s spirit: running with the silliest guest idea possible, mining both actual history and completely made-up facts for comedic gold.

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For New Listeners

Even if you haven’t heard the episode, you’ll walk away with:

• Insights into the creative process and self-reflection of three different comedic paths (mainstream, online, and hybrid).
• Smart, honest talk about handling hate, advocacy for marginalized identities, and the points where comedy and activism collide.
• Genuinely funny (and occasionally profound) moments on everything from childhood dreams to the way we process—and ritualize—death.
• A window into Drew Afualo’s outspoken, unshakeable confidence and the internet’s shifting culture of call-outs.

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Drew Afualo: Find her at @drewafualo and check out her podcasts The Comment Section and Two Idiot Girls, her book Loud, and other projects soon to come.

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Transcript

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This is a headgun podcast with verbo care.

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Help is always ready before, during, and after your stay.

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We've planned for the plot twists, so

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support is always available because a great trip starts with peace of mind. What's our podcast? What's it gonna be about? Tell us. What's our podcast? What should we talk about with Beck and Kyle?

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Skibidi. Skip. Skip.

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Skibidi. Skip. Tap.

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Script. Script.

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I am sitting here. Thank you.

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Thank you. That was me scatting.

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That was like. Rachelle. Were you watching?

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Yeah, talk to. What was that like?

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I thought I was watching an old school rock and roll. You remember David Lee Roth? Oh, from Van Halen.

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Yeah.

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Do you remember that? Did he scat, though?

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I think he did something like that sometimes.

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I was kind of doing more Louis Armstrong.

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That didn't sound like Louis Armstrong to me.

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Squibbing, squib, scrap, script.

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Squib.

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Okay, well, give me. Let me stop you for one moment.

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So that sounded like Louis Armstrong.

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This is what I think Louis Armstrong sounds like scouting. Okay. I mean, give me a moment. The artist prepares.

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Yeah. Okay. Well, we don't really have that much time, so let's hear it. It's not that funny. It's not that funny. It's not funny.

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Don't come after me.

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I'm not coming after you. It's just you said you could Zara, too.

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Okay. Then I think to myself, that's. How you doing?

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Well, wow, that's kind of. But that's kind of. That's more like.

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Look, I'm sorry.

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Getting.

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Yeah,

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it sounded good. I thought it sounded like an old rock star. That sounded a little more likely Armstrong.

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Pretty good, right?

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I don't know, dude.

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Yes. Yes. What were you going to say? What were you going to say? Were you thinking about. You were thinking about me? Maybe you were thinking about something. Tell me something. Oh, here come the horns.

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I have ideas.

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This must be a great intro. Yes.

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You shaking, homie?

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My daughter does that sometimes.

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She'll shake.

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Yeah, she'll just be like.

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Is that when she gets angry, by the way.

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So for the listeners, I am shaking.

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Kyle was vibrating. He was. He was doing a little sometimes.

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I don't know. Yeah, I don't know if it's. Oh, it's when she's scared.

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Oh, really? I feel like I saw her the other day get frustrated.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Oh,

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can you do that?

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Yeah.

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That is such a weird. Now again, sorry, some of you are just listening. How are we doing that? We are vibrating.

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We're vibrating.

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How are you doing?

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It's like it's just locking up your body so you're shaking.

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I think. I think. I think my center point is sort of my jaw. I think that's how I get started.

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I think mine is like the back. The muscles in my neck.

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Rachelle, you don't have to do this.

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You don't have to vibrate.

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Do you know how to vibrate like that?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I think we all do.

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Okay. That'd be a funny thing to learn as a 2 year old.

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That'd be cool if, like, when. The first time we do a live show, we get our entire audience to vibrate like that, we just film everybody in their seats.

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Yeah, well, let's try. I like that. Let me try it with some sound, with some noise.

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Yeah.

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It doesn't. So again, for the listen, if you're just listening, we're vibrating and making noises.

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Yeah. And another thing we could make our audience do if we have a live audience is scat, like Louis Armstrong.

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Okay, Big question. Big question here.

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Yeah. Lay it on us.

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Is it possible? Is this even possible?

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Yeah.

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Can you. Yeah. Can you vibrate while you scat like Louis Armstrong?

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Yeah. Vibrating, Scatting you?

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Definitely. Yours gives, like, kind of like late 80s, early 90s, like horror movie. Like, they're like, there's.

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Thank you.

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You're welcome. Like, I feel like we're being like your body was just taken over by the

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little monchichi. The little monchichi by the Babadook?

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No, that's, like, too new.

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Yeah. Or.

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I also want to know more about you.

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I'm. I'm B. I'm from Wilmette, Illinois.

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Did you ever play an instrument?

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Yeah, I did. I played guitar. I took lessons and I did that thing where I was like. I was listening to Bob Dylan at the time, and I was like, I'm just gonna write my own music. And I would try to do that, and it led to me like, making songs, like, kind of like jokey comedy songs with friends who played better than me.

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But do you remember any of the song titles or lyrics?

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No.

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Imagine that.

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No, I don't. I had a hip hop group. My buddy Charlie.

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Do you remember any of those songs?

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We played one show. I don't.

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Just give us something, please.

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I was in a ska band.

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Okay. Remember any of those songs?

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Yes. Cord is a Monkey Now. Cord Phillips was our drummer.

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Huh.

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And it was about him turning into a monkey.

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And you remember the melody.

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Cord is a monkey now God is a monkey now. And then there was one that Was like, I tried to stop. I wish I could. If you would, maybe I would. But it doesn't matter anymore.

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Would you like, kind of skank or

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dance a little bit? Yeah. I think we only had, like two shows.

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That's cool.

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Yeah, we weren't great.

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Trying to remember.

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Do you ever have a. I mean, you had a.

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Yes, I. Okay. So in fifth grade, I tried to form a band with my friend Nat, I think. And I don't remember us having any songs. It was one of those things where, like, I played guitar, he played piano. We could only play like a riff and then, like, couldn't take it any further than that. Do you know what I'm saying?

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Yeah.

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Middle school, tried to start a punk band. We had one, it was called Prop 84 because, like, I like a lot of those pop punk bands had numbers in there, like Blink 182.

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Yeah. Ours is Mango street residence.

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That's cool.

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Yeah, pretty cool.

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Again, don't remember any of this. But then my hip hop group, Instruments of Intelligence, we put out the album Represent Difference.

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Yep.

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Of course, we're all about sort of being anti. Being against the mainstream, being underground. And I could probably rap most of those songs.

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Okay, well, not today, my friend.

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I really could.

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Yeah.

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If you ask any of them, I could wrap any of them right now.

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Okay. Very cool fact.

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Well, we'll do that because there's probably about 12 tracks.

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Not today, just some other time. Any other.

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I really like doing Stand and Deliver. The opening line of hip hop anecdote.

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Here's another hip Today we've got coming up.

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Here's another hip hop anecdote. Worth a quote. Rap I wrote. That's part. Part.

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I remember. That was really. That was great.

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Wait, what was the other one I actually did recently? Over the summer, my friend Robert, Robert Ratcliffe, AKA Rob Grimes, went by Profit. When we were in high school, I did a show in San Diego for When I was doing Kyle M. Stuff.

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Yeah.

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The Real Me, Fake Me Tour and invited Robert to perform with me. And we performed one of our old songs.

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Oh, how did it go?

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It was really, really special.

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It was special.

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Going back there, sort of revisiting the old days. Yeah, we performed Utilize.

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Oh, yeah. That one.

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Yep. And that you do.

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Yep.

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Yeah, it goes. I utilize vinyl tracks. I utilize sounds I sample to create dope tracks.

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I remember that.

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I utilize the efforts of talented cats. I utilize my beats to bring hip hop back. Ooh, I'm down with those kind of sounds.

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Like Louis Armstrong.

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How does it sound? Like Louie Armstrong.

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It's kind of the scatting stuff that he would do.

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Yeah. We really thought we were special and that we were sort of like, doing something that was, you know, like kind of alternative and was going against the grain.

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Yeah.

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And when you look back at it, you're sort of like, no, that was actually bad.

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Exactly. We all think we're doing something special in the moment, but if given enough time, you look back and you go, that was bad. Yeah.

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I feel like we were spending more time with each other than we have.

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Yeah.

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I guess since we worked together.

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Yeah, absolutely. Because now we're.

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And I like it.

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I think it's.

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I don't think it's getting in. I don't think, like, you know, your little ticks, like, they don't annoy me like they used to.

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Yeah, yeah. All the shit that you do, like, all the, like, sort of like not remembering who I am or anything and like, all that sort of shit. Like. Yeah. Like, used to bother me, but now I know now it's like, oh, this.

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That could be a clip.

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Yeah, that could be a clip. And like, Kyle has, like, certain problems that, like. Yeah. See it in a different light.

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Well, you know, I mean, because it's like, yeah, if you fuck. If you with me. If I fuck with you.

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Yeah.

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Like, that could be a clip. And if it's a fucking great clip, why does it. Who got. Who.

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Who gives a fuck if we got a clip? Right? Yeah. No. Yeah, yeah. No, or like, like.

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And also I noticed the. Some people love controversy.

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Yes.

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So that's why I'm always.

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Internet is all about controversy.

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That's why sometimes, if you'll notice, if you listen to the podcast closely, you. You'll hear me slip in. I'll say, like, a very controversial thing. You know what I mean?

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Yeah.

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And that's sort of like, I want people, you know, to get people talking.

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Yeah.

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Like, I'll say like, something about like. Like blankets. Blank. A blanket can't get me warm.

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I've never heard you say that. But you're saying that now. Is that something you want to stand behind a blanket can't get you warm?

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Well, it's like, yeah. Random dumb ass controversial shit like that.

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Yeah, no, it's like fucking rogue.

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It's the type of shit that people would talk about me.

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Yeah. And that's people. That's how you can build a brand and followership. Anyway, but. Oh, wait, we're here. This is a show called what's our. What's Our Podcast with Beck Bennett and

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Kyle Mooney, where guests come in to pitch their idea for our podcast. And we've got a great guest today with Drew.

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Aalo. Yes, yes. Which I was saying to Relle. Kind of sounds like there's a built in, sort of like east coast, New New Jersey accent. A fowl, a fwallo. But she's not from there. She's from the Inland Empire and she's Samoan. I. E. Samoan. And Drew, my Drew might teach us some things because, you know, she's. She's actually made a name for herself coming after bad men like us on the Internet. She might have a thing or two to say. Say to us.

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Yeah, no, it'll be interesting to see. I'm excited to talk to her.

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Yeah.

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She does a lot of these videos on TikTok where she comes after men who are being whatever, you know, fat, phobic, transphobic, misogynistic, misogynistic, awful, dumbass. And she's very funny. Her responses are incredible. And she puts these assholes in their proper place.

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She puts the assholes on blast. Yeah, she blasts those assholes. She's an author.

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Podcaster.

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Podcaster.

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She does, like, interviews at, like, on the red carpet.

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Yes, she does. She had a viral video about red flags in men that I. That I watched, and luckily I was not. I was not any of those red flags.

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I actually have not seen that one. Is there any red flags you think that I would maybe fall under?

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I don't think so. No, they're pretty. They're pretty clear. It's not like. Like, the one that I think of is calling women females or starting a debate with women about women's rights.

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Right.

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I think Rochelle's looking them up right now. But I was none of those red flags. I never have exhibited any of those.

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That's great.

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Oh, yeah. What do you got?

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I have a list. Okay, great.

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Let's hear them.

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Loves the movie Wolf of Wall street and says it's the greatest movie of all time.

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Okay.

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I like that movie, but I don't love it. It's pretty intense.

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Anything having to do with Joe Rogan.

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Sure. And this was a while ago too, right? This came out like.

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Yeah, this is 2021.

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2021. Yeah.

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Calls women females obsessed with Tom Brady.

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Yeah.

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Saturdays are for the boys that you.

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You might have said that at some point, but maybe it's a joke.

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I don't know I ever said that.

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None of those things, so. Which is a relief.

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We got a great show.

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A follows here.

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Drew Wallow is so cool.

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Yes. Yes, yes. She's got. She's got things to say. She has a perspective, which. That would be nice. You know what I mean? To have one of those. Yes, yes, yes.

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Did I piss you off?

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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's just. It's just the way I was raised.

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Okay.

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Yeah. Sometimes I, you know, sometimes I just.

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Cuz I may have said something that pissed you off.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Well, it's gonna be a great show.

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And you know what? I would love to tap into some. Just creating a vibe and this, like, welcoming our guest in.

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Okay.

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And being like, this is fun. Yeah. Do you not rise in, like, an interview? This is not like. This is not like, gotcha. Or like, you know, it could be like, you know, it could just be, like, just making a nice stew.

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Yes.

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Marinating a nice old meat.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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I fucking love that.

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Yeah.

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Do you want to try something different for when Drew gets here?

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I don't know. Like what?

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Like, you know, sometimes, like, you know, it's like you can never tell when the show's starting. Right. We've talked about this before.

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Yeah. Okay.

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She sits down. What if it's like, drew, have a seat. Excited to see you.

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And then we get ready to go and we go. We're here with Drew. Like, bring some energy to it.

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I would love to bring some energy.

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We're going to start different today. Let's see how it goes. This is what's our podcast with Beck and Kyle, and we're about to talk to Drew. A.

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Today's episode is brought to you by Alma. Alma.

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Alma.

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A year from today, who do you want to be?

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Sammy Davis, Jr. Not what I was

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expecting, but awesome sauce. What version of yourself would you like to meet?

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Mm. Mm.

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Definitely.

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Sammy Davis, Jr. Sammy Davis, Jr. A year from now, do you feel less anxious?

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Yeah.

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I'm Sammy Davis, Jr.

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I'm Sammy Davis Jr. I'm top of the Rock.

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I'm crooning, and I'm acting.

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Do you have any other questions for me?

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Are you or do you feel more like yourself?

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No, I feel less like myself. I kind of feel more like Sammy

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Davis Jr. Maybe your relationship is stronger or the grief feels smaller.

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No, it's just kind of on top of the world. I kind of just do whatever I want. I'm Sammy Davis Jr. But anyway, for real.

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But for real, who do you want to be in a year from now?

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I want to be.

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Do you want to feel less anxious? Do you want to be. Feel more like yourself?

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I do.

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What if the thing that you've been secretly worried about just took up a little less space in your mind. Would that be nice?

[B]

That would be great. And I've definitely been there before where it's. The thing is taking up a lot of space, and then it takes up less space, and I can even. You can even take up less space. Yep, that's right.

[A]

You know who helps with that?

[B]

Who?

[A]

I'm not gonna say. Sammy Davis Jr. Back.

[B]

Dang it.

[A]

The right therapist. The right therapist can help you get there. Alma will help you find them.

[B]

Alma has a directory of 20,000 therapists with different specialties, like, you know, like, life experiences, identities, and 99 of them take insurance.

[A]

You, my friend. You and you. And hell, I'm gonna say yes.

[B]

Put it on yourself. You right here. Point it at me, the man in the mirror.

[A]

You deserve to feel like that future version of yourself. You deserve it. A year from today isn't that far away.

[B]

Get started [e-mail] our podcast. That's hello, Alma.com O U R P O D C A S T. And

[A]

I am never gonna forgive you for that Sammy Davis Jr. Stuff, so I want to be Sammy Davis Jr. You are amazing. We're here with Drew.

[B]

Yes. Yes.

[A]

She made it. Oh, God. Everybody's going crazy in here.

[C]

The energy's electric in here. Are you guys from.

[B]

I am from north suburbs of Chicago, like Wilmette and Weca. Yeah. Kyle's from San Diego.

[A]

I am from. I'm from. Yeah, we're at.

[C]

In San Diego.

[A]

Scripps Ranch.

[C]

Okay. I have a lot of family in Miramasa.

[A]

We're right next to. Yeah, Miramasa High School. I. I don't know that I could say our rivals. I want to. I want to be nice to the. Any of the marauders out there.

[C]

Right.

[A]

But yeah, M is our neighboring.

[C]

Do you know a lot of Samoan people?

[A]

I don't know that I do, but, yes. I feel like we There.

[C]

There's a lot of them out here

[B]

catching up with some of your stuff. Like, that's the first time I've heard Samoan.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Pronounced properly.

[C]

Pronounced properly.

[B]

Everybody says Samoan.

[C]

Samoan. Yeah. Like the cookies.

[B]

Yeah. We need to get that out there. Okay. For everybody listening. It's Samoan.

[C]

Samoan.

[B]

Samoan, Samoan.

[C]

There you go. You got it. You nailed it. I. I never. Like, sometimes people ask me, like, do you care if they pronounce it differently?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And I was like, honestly, no. Unless you're. Unless you're someone. I really don't Mind either way.

[B]

Right.

[C]

But that's nice. It's nice to spread the information. Yes, it's good. That's really good.

[A]

Well, I have had such a wonderful time consuming the incredible media that you've been making and you've made.

[C]

Thank you. That's a very nice way of putting it.

[A]

Okay. I'm trying to think of, like, a

[C]

very professional and respectful way of putting it. I appreciate that. Yeah.

[A]

How else could I do it? Like, watched your shit.

[C]

Yeah. Just me taking a big Watch your shit.

[B]

There was some. I was laughing at. At some of it.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Confused by some of it. Got scared by some of it. Really cool, though.

[C]

There you go. There you go.

[B]

So, you know, luckily I wasn't scared. We were talking about. In the intro, we were talking about your. Sorry, I'm cutting you off. No, no, no.

[A]

I got so much love for you. Like I said.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I consider you my neighbor.

[B]

I know. I consider you more than a neighbor, too. Almost like. Kind of like. Almost like a. Kind of like a friend or like, kind of like. Almost like. Or like, if. As long as it's not weird. It's kind of like almost like a friend or whatever. Like, I'm maybe like.

[A]

That is actually.

[B]

That's really cool.

[C]

Yeah, it was really cool.

[B]

It's kind of like, whatever.

[C]

Now that's some good shit.

[B]

I'm just trying to show some love for you. But the. The red flags, the first viral video.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

I luckily related to them in a way where none of those are attributes of mine.

[C]

And I.

[B]

A lot of them made complete sense. That's my first, so I know I wasn't scared watching your videos because.

[C]

Good to know.

[B]

I think I'm pretty much on your side.

[A]

How many men have you met who are obsessed with the Wolf of Wall Street?

[C]

I mean, enough to make a joke about it in a hit, I would say. I think the new Wolf of Wall street, though, is. Is that Marty supreme movie. That's like. That's like Gen Z's version of Wolf of Wall Street.

[B]

Yeah. Well, I just. I just.

[C]

Just latching onto it for all the wrong reasons. Like, they're not seeing through the. They're not seeing the art at all. They're looking at it a very superficial way. It's kind of like when really terrible guys love Family Guy, it's not for the reasons that they're supposed to love Family Guy. Like, they're supposed to appreciate it for the. The point of it. Like the. Almost. The irony in it.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

Right.

[C]

But they don't. They're Just like racism. That's funny, right? I love that. I do that all the time. So that's it. That's how I feel about Wolf of Wall Street. It's like they're not absorbing it for the reasons you're supposed to.

[B]

They're like, fuck, yeah, these guys are awesome.

[C]

They're like, this guy looks fucking sick. Honestly, he looks sick as hell. Like, wrong.

[B]

No, these are awful people. We're showing you bad people.

[C]

Yes. Like, you're not supposed to root for him. That's kind of the whole fucking point.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I love your laugh, by the way. When I saw your videos, I was. Is that real? Yeah, believe it.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

It's actually.

[C]

It's honestly genetic. If you've met other Samoan people. Like, they all laugh like me. Like, everybody cackles. It's not really, like, it's not really a subtle laugh.

[B]

Right.

[C]

When I'm laughing at you, I'm laughing at you for real. So that's kind of the bummer.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

For other people on the receiving end.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Before we leave the movie conversation.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

I went to a screening of Wolf of Wall street in whatever year it came out.

[C]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

Martin Scorsese was that. I went with my father because he was visiting me in New York.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

And I hadn't had this experience of sitting with a parent where you're like, so visibly and like physically uncomfortable because of the things you watched on screen since I was probably 11 years old. And it was cool to experience it again as like whatever. I was a 33 year old at the time. And I still don't, like, I still get. There's some stuff I don't want to watch with people.

[C]

Some stuff I got to watch alone.

[B]

Your mom or dad. Was your dad doing anything, like little movements?

[C]

Yes.

[A]

All of that.

[C]

A lot of shifting.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And then afterwards, like. Well, it was a very interesting film. Yeah.

[B]

Very interesting. Yeah.

[A]

Now I'm going to. I'm sure you have to talk about this stuff all the time, so I apologize.

[C]

Oh, my gosh. Don't be sad.

[A]

Anytime you get bored.

[C]

This is our first date, so we got to get to know each other. We got to go through the, like, what's your favorite color? Like, we got to do those.

[B]

That's what you were going to ask. He's a really good. He's got great questions. He's got so many questions. Can you dunk all sorts of like, would you love. Do you like pens or pencils? No. But he's got so many great things.

[A]

Okay. No, but seriously, what colors are you into?

[C]

Colors am I into right now? Really into dark brown. That's my favorite color right now.

[B]

Yeah. Okay.

[A]

Currently, here's I'm going to try to recite your biography to you.

[C]

Sure.

[A]

And you tell me what I'm getting wrong here.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Okay. You studied sports journalism.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

And communications, double major.

[C]

I sure did.

[A]

Let's go.

[C]

There you go. Look at that.

[A]

And then you went to work for the NFL.

[C]

Sure.

[A]

What was the transition? So you. You're out of there. When did you start becoming such a prolific video maker entertainer and what was it? Was it just like, oh, shit, I'm just going to start posting shit on TikTok. How did it go down?

[C]

Honestly? No, I was like genuinely devastated when I got fired. I had never been fired before, like ever, let alone from what I thought was my dream job.

[A]

Are you like pretty newly out of

[C]

college or like, Me, I'm 30. Or.

[B]

No. When this happens.

[C]

Oh. At this time, I had been out of college for about two years, so

[A]

I was like 20, like you wanted. I feel like I read that this was.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

A dream. Is.

[C]

That was like my dream. Like, I was like, I knew I was going to work there when I was like 15.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I just like, I'm a big planner. So I was like, I plan to get there. I knew I was going to get there. I did get there. And I was describing it after the fact as like, I climbed the mountain. I just really didn't like the view. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So it was hard for me to leave.

[A]

It should use that.

[B]

Yeah. Okay. I should use that.

[A]

Well, we should.

[B]

Yeah, we should.

[C]

At some point.

[A]

Some like it.

[C]

Yeah, they go clip it.

[B]

Go ahead. And whenever we feel a good moment in an interview, we're like, yeah, earmarked. You climbed the mountain, but you didn't like the view.

[C]

Right.

[B]

And then we'll go that. We made that up.

[C]

She took them from us and was

[A]

sponsored by the NFL.

[C]

Well, it works for me. But yeah, that is how I described my journey there, because I was, I was like, genuinely shocked that I didn't enjoy my experience at all.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And I was already really unhappy before I got fired. I was very, very unhappy. I just like, I'm not someone who quits. So I'm like, I was thinking, maybe I'll switch teams or maybe I'll go to the NBA. Like, maybe I'll switch sports. Like there are other ways I can do it. But I just didn't want to leave because I had bills to pay. I had like responsibilities. Like, I can't just quit my job. And then they gave me no choice. And then shortly after that, the pandemic hit. So then everybody was at home. And then when I was posting on TikTok, it really didn't start till probably almost a year after. And I didn't start like, oh, I'm going to talk about sports. But I just, like, always love telling stories, and I love talk talking, just generally. So I used to record myself just filming rants of things, like, things that would irritate me. You know, you're young, like, especially your early 20s. It's like, everything's annoying. So you're like, I think I have the most hilarious thing to say about this really irritating thing. So I would record myself just for my own friends on, like, Snapchat or, like, Instagram at the time. And then when Tick Tock came around and I really started kind of looking at Tick Tock a lot, I was like, well, maybe I'll like. Actually, my fiance told me, maybe you should start posting on Tick Tock, like, just your rants and stuff. And it was like he was encouraging me to do something creative because I felt very lost at the time. Yeah. And I was like, well, what the am I gonna do now? Because, like, I got fired from the NFL. I feel like they'll blackball me from working for individual teams, so then I'll have to pivot to sport other sports in general, whatever. And he was like, just start posting on TikTok and maybe that'll bring you joy, like, that kind of thing. Like, he just wanted me to be happy. And so then when I started posting on TikTok, Initially I was just kind of posting story times. Like, I was just like, oh, one time this really annoying thing happened to me or whatever. And then as I started getting used to doing that, like, just kind of posting videos of my thoughts and feelings on things, then I started narrowing my niche when I had that Red Flags video. So, like, the Red Flags video was like, someone else said, what are the. What are some really specific red flags in men? And so that's when I made a whole list, and then I just put it on the screen and I was like, here's my list. And that was my first video to go super viral. And when that had gone viral, I got a whole bunch of like, you know, oh, this is so funny. Oh, you're so funny. Like, I also dated a crazy guy, and he did that too. Whatever. And I will say, in that video, I predicted the Kanye thing. Like, I literally said, in that video I was like, if Kanye west is his favorite rapper of all time, he has problems, like mentally.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And he had no way of knowing where he was gonna go at that point. So like, listen, don't wanna say I'm always right, but I do low key think I'm psychic sometimes. But anyways, I did all that. And then I also got a whole ton of hate and like as like at the time I was like 23, 24, I had just been a voyeur on the Internet. I had never had any sort of attention. I'd never gone viral in any way. So getting that much hate in the visceral way I was getting it.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Was shocking to me. I was like genuinely shocked. I could not believe. And TikTok was so new at the time. Like people have their full government names and like their wives and their kids and their. And then they would write like the most evil, bigoted things on my stuff. And I genuinely, I mean this from the bottom of my heart. I thought it was funny because I was like, this is crazy. Like you're just saying. And what if you have a job? Like, what if someone sees this?

[B]

Yeah, well, I feel like, I mean, that's impressive.

[C]

That's what I mean.

[A]

Genuine.

[B]

Like, because it would like I'm so,

[A]

I'm so terrified of any of everybody.

[B]

We're so weak. But like we're like, oh God, what

[C]

are they saying about. Talk about it all the time.

[A]

Like I don't want to know.

[C]

Well, that's fair too. The Internet's scary.

[A]

I mean, I guess for our audience who don't know. I mean like all of the work that you do. Yeah. Some of it, which I. Which I feel like you've become very popular by doing is like sort of these responses to too.

[C]

Oh hell yeah. Yeah. In the beginning it was cra. I was going crazy. I would post.

[B]

Pumping them out. Right.

[C]

Like, yeah. I would post like 5 to 6 a day. Cuz I had nothing to do. I had no job.

[B]

Yeah, right. Everybody was at home.

[C]

Yeah. And I was bored and I thought it was funny and I wouldn't even. I had no hook. I had no like build up to a joke. I just took a picture, put it behind me and fired off a million jokes as many as I could think of. Like the meanest things you could possibly think of.

[A]

It is so. It's so awesome because. Yeah. I think like that's like a dream.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

To come after the trolls. You know what I mean?

[C]

Exactly.

[A]

Because I mean, I'm not Saying anything new or interesting. When I say the fact that, like, it's such a hateful universe online.

[C]

Right.

[A]

And to have somebody like you to just be like you. These are all the reasons you suck. Don't ever do that again.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You want to talk about being ugly? Let's. Like, I. I love to talk. I love to talk. Looks like that was my thing because I. I also agree with you, too. Now that I've been on the Internet for as long as I have, like, and you guys have been in the industry for a while, so, you know, like, the Internet has. It's been a gift to this traditional, like, Hollywood in a lot of ways, but also a curse in so many other ways. Like, it's, like, opened up Pandora's box in a lot of ways, too. And given people, like, anonymity, virality has really poisoned this well of, like, oh, I can be famous, too. If I say awful things about someone, like, even if they're not true. And I could just go viral on TikTok and then I could start getting free shit sent to me, and I can start, like, I. So I get it, like, the Internet. And I think that's why a lot of times when I meet people who came up in this business in a traditional way, when I meet them, just, like, even the most famous people in the world, they'll see me and they're like, Abraham Lincoln. Yeah. Well, like, even, like, I don't even. I'm trying to think of, like, the most. I know so many famous people now. But, like, which is not a flex. It's just true. Like, but I. What's shocking is they know who I am. Yes. And it's because they're like, I don't know how you do that. Yeah. And it's. They've been in the business in. In the business for a long time. And it's because it's almost, like, frowned upon to defend yourself. Like, when people say awful things to you. It's, like, frowned upon to stand up for yourself. It's frowned upon to, like, say mean to people back. Like, which, like, do you have to,

[B]

like, keep up, like, some sort of image and be, like, decorum?

[C]

Yeah. They're like the high road. Like, I. Like, oh, we should always take the high road. I never do that shit. I never have and never will. I really do think respect begets respect. So, like, if you're respectful, so will I will be, too. That is my promise to you. The minute it's not, it's on. Then let's do it. Like, that's really how I feel. And I do think a healthy dose of fear is good for everyone.

[B]

Yeah, Yeah. I do think that, like your ability to speak your mind, right, and just go out like, that is, that is a different thing than, you know, the, like, it's, it's similar to stand up.

[C]

Right.

[B]

But like, for like actors or writers, that is like a very different talent.

[C]

Right.

[B]

And skill, you know what I mean? To be able to do that.

[C]

Yeah. That's what a lot of my.

[B]

For me, I'm like, I like to. I could, I can perform, but like, speaking my mind was never the thing that like got me into this industry. You know what I mean? Like, for stand up. Yes.

[C]

No, you're so right.

[B]

Because silly is like a lot of

[C]

my friends who are standups have told me that like in like, this is a very stand up approach to comedy. Like how I, how I kind of do it, like formulate my thoughts kind of deal.

[B]

Sam J. Did something recently which I love. She, like took a message and like put it on her stories and like responded to it and like put these. Like, she's like, I just feel like giving and like putting it out there. I was like, yes. And she just like broke this person down and put it out there, you know, put his name out there and what he said. And it was like, it made me, it like made me so happy.

[C]

Right.

[B]

I feel like sometimes though, if I were to go down that hole, I would just like, it would consume me and I would just start getting angry. I just wouldn't be able to like, concentrate anymore. Anymore.

[A]

But to me, the current, the, the issue that I feel is that like, as heinous as these things that people say or do, like, my reaction is like, maybe there's a nugget of truth in that. I. Maybe I do.

[C]

That's terrible.

[A]

But I think that is the actual power of it.

[C]

Right? That's true.

[A]

What I feel like I run away from.

[C]

Yeah. They're like, hoping like, I was just talking to my friend Maggie about this because she's a stand up and she's been in comedy for a long time. And I was on her show too, a couple weeks ago and we were kind of talking about this, but I was telling her that, like, I guess for me, when it comes to like the hate I get, the typical hate, I get fat and ugly. That's like the, the only thing that's as, that's as unique as they can make it is fat and ugly. It's variations of that. It's like when you change a gun a million times, like, it's just fat and ugly. That's at the end of it. I told her ugly. That's a lie. That's just a straight up lie. So we don't need to talk about that. Fat depends on who you ask, right? Like, because I'm big, fat, fatty compared to some people, but some other people I'm not. So it really just depends. And I told her I think I have a very firmly rooted stance in reality.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I know exactly who the fuck I am. Yeah. And what I look like. So I really think that's why it doesn't bother me when. When people say awful things to me because. Yeah, first of all, I don't know you, so to think I would take your opinion seriously about the weather, let alone me, is crazy. Right?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But second of all, like, I know who I am. Like, and no one's ever going to threaten. And I think that's why especially women have like, flocked to me, but many other marginalized people, just generally speaking, because I stand up for women, obviously, that's like my overarching thing is like misogyny, Right. Combating misogyny, but on a very lower level too. It's like white supremacy. It's fatphobia, it's transphobia, it's homophobia. It's all of the different phobias, like, all of them are encompassed under a very large umbrella. Right. And so it's like when I attack one, I am attacking all of them. And I think at the very center point of it, it's that I don't derive my worth or value from what I look like. That's just like a plus. Like, this is a positive. But like, for me, it's like, I think for misogynists, when they say fat and ugly, it's because they're banking on the fact that I pull all of my confidence, worth and value from what I look like. And more specifically, how it's perceived by men, how men perceive my desirability, whether or not they determine whether or not I'm desirable at all. And I. That is not where my fucking confidence comes from. Not even a little bit. All of my. The confidence that I have is all stems from inside. It's from all the things you can't see. And so that's why I feel like too. At the same time, I never feel the urge or the need to debate men or, like, prove myself to them. Because a lot of times they'll be like, oh, well, then debate me. Like, bring Me on your show, first of all, okay?

[B]

I don't want to talk to you. Nobody knows that you want me to

[C]

give you free promo. Why don't you just say that? No. If you want to spew bullshit into a mic, get your own show. That's what the fuck I. That's what I did. I got my own. Right. But I. That. No, because you're insane. But two, like, I don't need you to validate me. I don't need you to come and see me in person to validate whether or not my beliefs are true. Right. Or real. I don't need that shit.

[A]

I know them to be true.

[C]

In fact, they need me to validate them. That's why they want me to see them, to answer them, to respond to them in a way that's like respectful, full and whatever. Scholastic. I don't even know what fudgeing words they're looking for, but they always kind of bank on me being stupid. And that's also not true. So.

[B]

Yeah, so they're kind of fucked.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, like, you must, you must have had this instilled in you from an early age then.

[C]

Yeah, totally. I mean, my, my. Yeah, my parents are high school sweethearts. That's my mom.

[A]

Mom's in the house.

[C]

I bring my mom everywhere. I'm a very family oriented person.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And so, like, my parents instilled in me from a very young age. Like, they've always, like, fostered my shine. Like, my, my parents have never.

[B]

Great job.

[C]

People said Tampa.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

They killed it, honestly. Yeah. And I think also I grew up in a family that, like, loves to make fun of each other. So, like, that's like a love language in my culture. We love to make fun of each other. Not in a mean way, but in a very, like, jokey, razzing kind of way. And so, like, a lot of times I get that too. Like, how did I get good at roasting people or making fun of people? I just was built in it. You know what I mean? They wouldn't last a day in the asylum I was raised in.

[B]

Yeah, I guess I want to, I

[A]

want to sneak in a question here.

[C]

Please do.

[A]

Going back to these. Replying to folks online. Have you seen somebody turn, like, go, like, you were right? Like, has. Has there ever been like a, like an apology, any sort of. Or like, do you. Not even. You don't even get to follow up with these people anyway. Like, have you seen any change or evolution?

[C]

No, I've never seen change from any of the men that have, like, purposefully antagonized me. Like, they've attacked me on purpose and, like, for a reason.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Those men know they're too far gone. Put them in a boat, push it out to sea, and shoot an arrow on fire into it, they're done. Viking, Vikings, death.

[B]

Right?

[C]

Done.

[A]

I would love to shoot the arrow.

[B]

Yeah. You could be the guy who shoots the arrow.

[C]

Yeah. One of you pushes the boat. One of you shoots the arrow.

[B]

You can push the boat.

[A]

I'm just thinking, if I shoot the

[B]

air, you push the boat.

[C]

Right. So, like, those men know, like, never in a million years, they're bigots. They've made their choice, they've made their bed. I've only ever seen that kind of stuff from not just men. I've also had women and other people, too, like, tell me in some capacity that I've changed their perspective on something. But it was never someone who didn't like me. It was always someone who's like, you know, I've always loved your stuff, but you, like, presented something else to me in a way that I hadn't thought before and I didn't realize was misogynistic. And, like, now I feel better because now I know and now I can, like, be better. So it's almost like people who are good people and are willing to learn and grow are the ones who have grown with me in that regard. But, like, as far as, like, outright bigots. No.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Well, I hope you have. Hold some pride for that. And the fact that, like, you're.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I always hold pride for that. And I think more than anything, I get it. I. I more so, like, in droves, like, 90 to 10, get people who are, like, I left my abusive relationship because of you. I reported my assault because of you. I broke up with someone and found my soulmate because of you. Like, I came out to my family because of you. Like, there's many, many. Those ones are the ones that make me the most proud and. And honestly keep me going, like, through it. Because it was, like, you know, as. As funny and silly as it is. It's been very hard, like, doing. Paving that path on my own, I guess, is my point. Like, obviously, there was no one else doing this very specific thing that I was doing for so many years. And so it's invited a lot of really, really awful things, too.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And, like, put me in the. In harm's way and, like, in the line of fire.

[B]

That's what I was gonna ask. So is that. Is that so that has happened.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Is that slowed down? Has that died down quite a bit?

[C]

It's definitely slowed down and died down. It was really, really, really awful in the beginning.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Because I was like, the new thing. I was like, new on Tick Tock. I was new on. On Instagram and all that. And, like, there are some genuinely evil, terrible people in the world. And, like, some of them are married and some of them have kids. And, like, it's like. Like, it's really, really scary. Like, there's a lot of. I'm a very conscious poster. So, like, when I was stitching all the time and I would show the videos first and then myself, I had to change that after a while because they started sniping me, like, taking down all my. Like, they're like, this is too mean. So then I started just having myself in it. But before that, when I would show the videos, I was very intentional with how and what I showed. Because there are some things that nobody should see. And, like, I've seen some of the deepest, darkest corners of the Internet because of this niche. So there are some things that nobody should ever see. And I'm very conscious about not like, even giving those people attention, let alone a platform. There was one video I made one time where I did not include him in it, but he's still on TikTok to this day, and he's, like, rebranded entirely, which is crazy. But he was posting videos about how he was teaching young men how to get women to sleep with them even after they've already said no. So it's coercion, which is a felony and a crime. And he was teaching people, and then on top of that was getting men responding to him, and he was showing them and saying, like, this worked. I got laid. And so shit like that. That guy is still on TikTok. That guy has only sisters and a mom, and he is doing that shit and willingly going around. And now he's completely rebranded into, like, I'm so awesome and I love women. Like, which he thinks I don't fucking remember. I do. But, like, shit like, that is why I kept going. Because I was like, women deserve the freedom and the space to breathe online. And you can't anymore, like, anywhere. Like, there's nowhere women can go, like, where they're not being hyper ridiculed, hyper criticized, like, torn to fucking shreds about anything, whether they look like, sound like, talk like, act like, anything. So, like, that was what kept me going for a very long time through all of the really terrible things I was experiencing Personally, because of this. Because I didn't sign up for that. Like, I didn't. When I started posting my videos on the Internet, I didn't sign up to get death threats or like, that. I. I didn't know that was gonna happen.

[B]

Right.

[C]

But then it kept me going through it because I realized it's a lot bigger than me. Like, this is so much bigger than tick tock. It's like, so much bigger than, you know, virality or going. Going viral a couple years or whatever. Like, it's so much bigger than that. So that's what kept me going. But then after a while, you know, to kind of end this, like, part a little serious or. On a funny note, now I feel like I did too good of a job. I'll be honest with you. I cleaned the streets.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Everything's all good.

[C]

It's no longer Gotham anymore. Yeah. It's suburbia now. That's where we're living. I don't see anything anymore. If I do, they block me almost immediately. I can't see anymore. Like, sometimes people are like, oh, you're never making fun of men. I'm like, they're gone. They're afraid for the most part. If they haven't, like, send them to me. I can't see them anymore. They're.

[B]

They're too afraid of me. That's. That's amazing. I mean, like.

[A]

Well, I'm down. We're down to try to round up some bad men.

[B]

Yeah, we should actually.

[C]

We should.

[B]

We should go after some of these guys, right?

[C]

You guys tap in.

[B]

Yeah, I know.

[C]

After a while, I started telling people, like, sometimes. Sometimes people would be like, oh, I want to do what Drew does, girl. Get in the cage. I've been fighting alone.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh, my God. I'm caring. I'm doing 1v100.

[B]

You're tough, smart, brave. I. More than we are. I don't know if we can. You got all those things.

[A]

I gotta have one of them.

[B]

We may have a little bit of each of those.

[C]

Yeah, you guys can hand me the water bottle. It's like the guys in my corner, like, when I'm boxing, you guys are helping.

[B]

You take care of the guy. We'll push the boat and shoot the arrow. I got the arrow. Yeah, we'll just.

[C]

I'm more of a boat pusher. I'm not really an attacker.

[B]

Yeah, I'll push the boat. I'll push the boat. You attack.

[A]

He's gonna be. I just want to say Becca's gonna be great at pushing the boat.

[C]

I think I agree with you.

[B]

I really. I. I used to. I used to play football. I have, like, incredible. Like, my legs. Really want to play on a big, big legs. I can really push.

[A]

Okay, well, Drew, we've come to the point in our show if you've heard what the. Or seen or if you've. If you got an email or maybe word got to you. The premise of our show is that we don't know what our podcast should be about. And so we invite our guest to pitch an idea of what they think our podcast should be. Do you have an idea?

[C]

Yeah, I think so. I think you guys should teach people how to do Viking death.

[B]

Death.

[C]

I think that's really a good idea.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

I think you guys should, like, run a tutorial almost.

[A]

Okay. The Viking death is the. Is the boat and.

[C]

Yeah, and the boat and the shooting the arrow. So there's a whole. There's a whole lot there. Okay.

[B]

We're doing a little podcast about it right now.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

With you.

[C]

Perfect.

[B]

We're going to be.

[C]

We're.

[A]

It's ever. We're gonna be right back with Viking death,

[B]

Yo.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Oh, wait. Oh, now I'm feeling. Now you're feeling really good, dude.

[A]

Beck, it is incredible to see you.

[B]

It's incredible to see you. Is always. It's always incredible to see you.

[A]

I'm just staring at this button right here.

[B]

Yes, right here. You'll see a button here. Not on this side. Do you know why?

[A]

Did the button fall off?

[B]

No, it's underneath the flap. It's not fastened. It's not unfastened button. Cause I was putting in my sunglasses in here.

[A]

I was gonna say, I've not heard about this sort of like one button, one unbuttoned thing.

[B]

Yeah. It's something I kinda just do.

[A]

I think this might be. I think my friend Beck might be onto something here.

[B]

Yeah. You know. You know something? I think I actually also might be onto Viking deaths. Again, welcome back. Right.

[A]

If you are here, you're probably a fan of the show where we talk about the process of. Of killing people, giving them a Viking death, a boat, and a flaming arrow.

[B]

And we are. And we are here with our guest today, Drew Afoulo.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

And this is Vikings.

[A]

Vikings.

[B]

Because, you know, with Beck and Kyle, you know, I know what the podcast is. It's Viking death, not Vikings.

[A]

I have to know, Drew.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

I have to know this, please. When did you become interested in Viking death?

[C]

God, it's like it was yesterday, honestly.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I would say probably after my first. The first time I ever got, like, an undercut ever, underneath my hair because, you know, Vikings are super into that. And I thought, really close shave on the side of the head. I thought to myself, there's something here. Have to go figure it out.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

And there you go.

[B]

And was Viking big bang boom.

[C]

Really? One plus one equals two, I think.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And how many. I wonder what the number of average deaths occur on a Viking death. I know as somebody who runs a Viking death podcast, I should know this.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. But, you know, we're still kind of new to the podcast.

[A]

Are we talking, like, 5, 10, 50, 100 now?

[B]

I missed the question. Totally.

[A]

Completely Typical Viking death.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

A boat full of people, right.

[B]

Who are then lit on fire, roasted and toasted. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

What's the average amount of folks on the boat? On that boat?

[B]

I think it's typically, like one on a little raft.

[C]

Right, right.

[A]

Is that what it is?

[C]

Yeah. You, like, put. You wrap the body. I mean, it's crazy. I'm explaining it to y' all on your podcast. Metric system versus not that kind of deal. Absolutely.

[B]

Yeah. Yes.

[C]

We're all American, but no, for sure.

[B]

Exactly.

[C]

So I think it's. You wrap the body in, like, some sort of gauze, I guess.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Of the deceased, you place them in a smaller canoe, and then a really big, strong man, obviously.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Pushes the canoe out with, like, great leg strength. Right, right, right. Like, really, like, lifts from the back. Solely.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And then someone else, maybe someone wearing glasses, shoots an arrow as the boat goes all the way out.

[B]

Because he can see. So he can see.

[C]

He can see. He needs the glasses. So you shoot it out, lands in it, sets it on fire.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, but they're not.

[C]

But you were thinking, like, a Titanic situation.

[B]

Yeah. You were thinking. You were thinking, like a mass.

[C]

Were you thinking of the Love Boat? Maybe?

[A]

I probably. I got some wires crossed and was thinking about the Love Boat again.

[B]

You probably think about the Love Boat.

[A]

It's like Valentine's Day is coming up.

[B]

Yeah, it's coming up.

[C]

That's why you're gonna. Confused. That's.

[B]

No, yeah. You know, and it is kind of an honor, isn't it? The Viking. Wait. It's kind of an honor.

[A]

And. And.

[C]

And I know.

[A]

Again, I know. I know all this stuff because I have my Viking death.

[C]

Po.

[A]

I know, but the per. The person is alive or un. Alive when they're on. When they're put on the boat, as

[B]

we all know, they're dead.

[C]

Un. Alive.

[B]

Yeah, they're dead. They died already.

[C]

Big Dead. Dead.

[A]

So it's almost like ceremonial.

[C]

Yes, essentially.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Because I think most oftentimes Vikings want to die in battle because then they get to go to Valhalla.

[B]

Yeah. Which is heaven.

[C]

Right.

[B]

That's their vision, Viking heaven.

[C]

That's Viking heaven.

[B]

And they got Viking food and Viking clothes. It's all the stuff they know. It's not like this unfamiliar place.

[A]

Viking food has to be a large turkey leg.

[C]

Right.

[B]

It's a large turkey leg. A big pot of stew.

[C]

Right. A whole lot of grapes in the center.

[A]

Somebody, as somebody who in my recent memory, knows more about Vikings than anyone I've ever encountered in the last few

[C]

years, even your co host of the Viking Death podcast.

[A]

I gotta say, you're coming up with some Viking factoids that are competing.

[C]

I think that's why, like, if they die of, like, childbirth or old age, maybe they're like, well, let me give them a Viking death and then they just light them on fire.

[B]

Right.

[C]

I think. I don't want to. I don't want to speak to their thought process, but.

[B]

Now, this may sound crazy. Are you allowed to do Viking deaths these days? Like. Like, if I. If I die and I ask you guys to Viking death me.

[C]

Right.

[B]

It's kind of more like a Viking burial for being.

[A]

I think there would have to be a permit situation. I feel like if. Probably if it's a body of water, I imagine it's under some sort of government control.

[B]

I think we'd have to write somebody.

[A]

We'd have to fill something out.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

No, I do think there are. I'm sure there are ways to do renegade Viking deaths, I think.

[C]

I'm sure. Just don't tell anyone.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

Just send it.

[A]

People like, you know, you're not supposed to, you know, sprinkle ashes at Disneyland. Yeah. But I'm sure it happens.

[B]

I do it every time I go. Yeah, yeah.

[C]

Every time I take a little bit of ash with me.

[A]

Who are you taking?

[B]

Oh, it's just kind of have this website where it's like, do you want me to sprinkle your ancestors ashes? Or you're like your dead ones ashes? So they send me. They like pay me and they send me a little, little, little thing of it, and I was just like, film myself. Like, I'm doing it right now, I gotta say. I have a little bit of money. I make a little bit. I don't make that much money. What's the name of that website? It's called Disney Sprinkles. So it's like not giving it away, you know.

[A]

Right, right.

[B]

So I haven't been busted yet.

[C]

Right.

[B]

But it's. Yeah. So anyway, but we're talking about Viking deaths, not Disney sprinkles, obviously. No, please.

[A]

Shout out.

[B]

Shout out Disney sprinkles. If anybody wants their ancestors sprinkled over at Disneyland, check out Disney's Disney sprinkles. And I. I will. I. I have very good reviews so far. It's only on the site. You have to. You have to join the site to look at the reviews.

[C]

Yeah. Okay.

[A]

Well, I guess we'll be joining the site later.

[B]

Yeah. But now, speaking of. Speaking of all this stuff that we talked about, how would you want a Viking death?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Hell, yeah.

[B]

I mean, that would be.

[C]

I didn't want to die in battle more so. But I'd be super down to be lit on fire. Why not? It's.

[B]

I wonder when I'm dead.

[C]

Fuck it.

[B]

You know, I just thought, yeah, like, I'm having a Viking death. It's kind of a party on the beach.

[C]

Right.

[B]

And, you know, you send me out. I just would imagine, though, everybody's like, kind of. This is cool. Arrow hits. I just imagine at first I thought of my loved ones just screaming, oh, God. Like. Like a fun time, like barbecue and whatever.

[C]

If you think about it, it's just like having a viewing party for cremation.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

If you really think about it, like, it's just a viewing party for that. That. Because they. If you want to get cremated, you get burned anyways. Why not do it with pageantry?

[B]

Right?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Like style. Like, do it like everyone dresses up, everyone gets the same hairstyle.

[B]

Oh.

[C]

And they all do it.

[B]

Like everybody shaves the side of their head.

[C]

Yeah. And then they get long braids and they all just kind of. I mean, why not?

[B]

And have like a little warrior, like a little Viking fight maybe.

[C]

Right.

[B]

Turkey legs.

[A]

Very little boys.

[C]

Then you're at, like medieval times. That's fun.

[B]

That's kind of fun.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

How about you, Kyle? Would you want to invite Viking death after all? After all we know about Viking deaths? Which you know, or do you want to go a specific way?

[A]

You want me to tell you my plans for.

[B]

How do you pass.

[A]

How do you want to.

[C]

Sure.

[B]

Oh, yeah. What are your plans?

[A]

Well, here's the thing. Okay. And I. And I want to get back to the Vikings because I got. We got to talk about the Viking cap at some point.

[B]

The Viking cap?

[A]

Yeah, the literal horns and. Of course.

[C]

But we'll get.

[A]

We got. We got. We've got at least 90 minutes of Viking death conversation.

[B]

Right. We have a lot to say.

[A]

I think that I always imagined as a child I would have a burial. And I think that's maybe because I saw that's what I experienced. I would go to funerals and like there would be oftentimes an open casket. And so I just assumed, I guess that'll be me. And I'll say sometimes I do see something arguably romantic to me about like, you know, partners or families.

[C]

Oh, being buried together.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

That's fair.

[A]

I think there's something there. Now, that being said, I hope you're talking.

[B]

Okay. I said I hope you're not planning on taking out your entire family with you when you go. I hope that's not part of the suicide pact.

[A]

Yeah, well, my feeling is like. Yeah, as. As sort of. As sort of the.

[B]

Sort of the man. As sort of the Kyle.

[A]

As sort of the Kyle guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do sort of feel like it would probably make more sense.

[B]

Everybody should go. If you're gonna go. Yeah, sure.

[C]

Right.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

I think that burial is actually not as environmentally friendly as cremation.

[C]

That's true. That's a good point.

[A]

So that is something to think about. Like what am I, you know, what am I giving towards the world to come after my time here? So I don't know that I've land a specific place, but I'm open.

[C]

You're kind of torn.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You got a sample. You need to get a flight of. Of burial things.

[A]

Like maybe maybe top half or bottom

[B]

half, depending on how you feel.

[C]

Yeah. Maybe mummified. Laid with all my treasures.

[A]

Are people still getting mummified?

[C]

I don't know.

[B]

You can do whatever you want.

[C]

I'm really into Viking death, so I don't know. I mean, I don't know what Egypt's up to.

[B]

Yeah. This is not mummy death.

[C]

Viking death.

[A]

Obviously like to die right now. Wrap me up like a mummy. Cuz I sit some ab to be a mummy and I kind of walk around like this would be incredible.

[C]

That'd be so.

[B]

I don't think that's part of the death.

[C]

But that's only if you get reactivated. All a night at the museum.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[C]

Like if you were going through a night at me at the museum thing.

[B]

If, like, if like I don't know you. Well, for that obviously you'd have to be a mummy and then you'd have to be put in some kind of building or tomb and then that would have to be struck by lightning and sort of go through an emulator security

[C]

guard would have to turn that tablet and then you to life. That's a whole nother thing.

[B]

That's very expensive.

[C]

Okay. Yeah.

[A]

Ah, it. I don't want to be a mummy no more.

[B]

No. Yeah.

[A]

Stuff a second. Like I might be cool. I always like that the bummy that the, the bummies.

[C]

The bummies.

[A]

The mummies just have a little slit.

[C]

You know they're looking at them. Yeah. Not, not like leaving a lot to the imagination.

[A]

Yeah. They're just kind of looking around.

[B]

Yeah. Just a little bit.

[A]

But the Vikings going back to the hat with the horn.

[B]

Okay, let's get back to the hat with the horn horns.

[C]

Sure. What about, what do you have to say about it?

[B]

Yeah, what do you have to say about it?

[A]

Well, okay, so there's a process here. Right. So they gotta, they gotta. Well, they gotta literally grab the bull by the horns.

[B]

Yeah. To make them. Yeah. To make the helmet at least they

[A]

don't have to grab the bull by the horns. They could probably just strike the bull down and get the horns after this.

[C]

Yeah, sure.

[A]

But then they have to unfortunately remove these horns.

[C]

Right.

[A]

And then they fasten them to this helmet. It's really, really cool.

[B]

That is. Yeah. No, I actually never thought about it.

[C]

So.

[B]

Right. About that. I guess it is.

[A]

And do you think they have different sizes? You think the little kids get the.

[C]

I thought about, I've thought about that. Like, is it a one size fits all kind of thing? Because like that feels a little discriminatory to me as someone with a huge head.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I don't think I'd be able to partake in the Viking hats.

[A]

Do you think there was ever any like kind of roasting like, hey, nice job on you Viking hat. You fucking nice hood.

[C]

Nice job.

[B]

It's the horns of the bull hat, man.

[C]

Look at his lame ass Viking hat.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, I'm sure. Yeah. I bet, I bet people killed each other over. Over the horns.

[C]

Over far less.

[B]

Probably.

[C]

Absolutely. They didn't. I don't think they handled disrespect very well either. Yeah, probably not. We have that in common, them and I. Yes, we have that in common.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Someone's saying like, yeah, you're kind of like the new generation of Viking.

[C]

I think so. I'm a large woman.

[B]

Slay them. You absolutely slay them.

[C]

I'm a large woman. Built for winter. A nice swing first I would say. Yeah. I have a of lot, a lot in common to Vikings. I would say.

[B]

That's awesome.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I, I really wish I knew More about Vikings.

[B]

Well, they're like, they're from, they're from Norway.

[A]

That sounds right.

[C]

Right.

[B]

Yeah. They got, they, they're blonde. Blonde guys, I imagine beards.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

For the most part. I've actually seen things saying that they actually weren't very blonde. They were. A lot of them were dark haired, actually. Mostly like, or like a dirty blonde, because it was. There's no sun there. Like, there's no way for their hair to ever get lighter.

[A]

And I think there was a lot of them had sort of spiked hair.

[B]

I don't. And you. Do you think that. I'm pretty sure I've had similar hair, like, with gel.

[A]

I think back then there was like,

[B]

a faux hawk or maybe they use some other sort of material from some of the animals or something.

[C]

Like tree SAP or something.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I think it was like sheep piss or something like that. Right, right.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

We all know how. And it was always sheep pisses.

[B]

It was, it was a sign of honor to see how spiky you could get your hair, see how much sheep piss you could get. Like, wow, that guy's rich.

[C]

Yeah, that guy's a lot.

[A]

Of, of course. But, but, yeah, well, that's, that's, of course, what the helmet reveal was for.

[B]

Of course, as we know. Yes, of course, the, the Vikings. Right.

[A]

They were always walking around with a helmet. But then when they took it off and you saw how swaggy the hair was, that was when you were real Viking.

[B]

And, and that would determine what kind of how big your Viking death would be.

[A]

Your Viking death would be.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, I, I, I will say, you know, Vikings lived with honor. They die with honor. And I think it's something. I think it's something we could, we could adopt a little bit more.

[C]

Hell, yeah. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, I would. I agree. Let's do it. Let's all die at the same time so we can all have Viking deaths at the same time.

[B]

Let's die at the same time. If I'm going down, I'll come and get you guys, right? Likewise. Come and get me if you're going down.

[A]

I've got to say there is a situation happening where. In which. Because I want to put this in the calendar when we all decide to pass.

[C]

Like, I think if we coordinate the deaths, I think we can make it work.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, if we all just kind of sink.

[A]

How longer do you want? I'm sorry if that's a very.

[C]

No, it's all right. I mean, you guys are, you're way older than me, so you'll probably go before me. Oh, man, I gotta cut. I gotta fit a lot of life into very little time, you know what I mean? That's hard.

[A]

How much time you think I got left?

[B]

No death already planned, man.

[C]

Okay, well, you guys just freeze in time and I'll catch up, I think. No, I think I have a lot more light life to live, I have to say. I'm interested in being around a lot longer. Unless of course, you know, the world goes to in a way that I'm not cool with with.

[B]

Right.

[C]

Like zombie apocalypse or anything like that.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

I don't think I'm surviving anything like that. So by. By choice, but you know.

[A]

Yeah, that stuff gets scary.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. So if that happens, then we won't need to worry about the Viking death thing.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Just do a full on gun to the head.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. And we'll just be like, I don't

[B]

want to mess with those.

[C]

Call it in. Yeah, yeah, that's one of those where like this could have been an email. That would be one of ours. Yeah, yeah, we'll just call it in at that point.

[B]

Okay, cool, cool.

[A]

Okay, so we always close out the show with standard question person.

[B]

Yep. Yeah. You know the question person. Who?

[A]

A person

[B]

who. You got it.

[A]

We always close out the show with our favorite segment. A person you know, named Eric. Because there was a famous Viking named Eric, I believe.

[C]

Right. So the most commonly known name. Eric at the time.

[A]

Know any Eric? I think I was in Eric the Viking. Or maybe that's a movie.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Can we look up E R, I, K. Yes, The Viking.

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Yeah. 1989.

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Okay. Okay. It's a fictional character.

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I was thinking with a C. So you.

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I was thinking a ch. Eric.

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Have you met.

[B]

Have I met an Eric?

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Can you just name some. Can you just name some people you know?

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Sure.

[B]

Eric. Eric Kenworth.

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Just. Just like Vikings or just anyone?

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Just anyone at this point.

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I mean, I know Eric, obviously. I know Freya, Bob, Bjorn, David. Those guys just so happen to be Vikings. But you know, what else do I. Who else do I know? I guess Kyle. I know you.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. I know Drew.

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I know you. Beck. Yeah.

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There you go. That's amazing. So look at us. That was amazing. Do you know any Erics that you want to talk about real quick before we go? Yes. Which one?

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Eric Stonestreet.

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Okay.

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Is he from Modern Family?

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Do you know him personally?

[A]

No, but I was hoping. I would like to get to know him well.

[B]

Eric Stonestreet. We give you the Viking salute. And we give you all the Viking salute. See you next time on Viking Deaths. We're wiggling our hands for the listeners. That was absolutely gorge. It was, that was fantastic.

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You know, I felt like I was going down a gorge wrapped in gauze on a raft with and a flame arrow hit me.

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You didn't seem like, you seemed like you were flying through the sky like a bird.

[A]

Oh no, that makes me happy. Well, I'm in that situation. I'm excited.

[B]

Oh wait, what happened to you? That was like a burpa hiccup at the same time. So I had to like stop it cuz otherwise I was going to burp end hiccup and it was going to be weird. I'm fine. I'm not dying. I'm not going to die.

[C]

Don't do it yet. We weren't planning on that yet.

[A]

Such a pleasure hanging out with you

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and it was a pleasure hanging out. Thank you guys.

[A]

I love that idea of Viking death. I, I, I got to admit, it is, it is a little new to me.

[C]

Right.

[A]

I'm being fully honest. I, I never, I don't know that I knew that phrase. I must have heard it before.

[C]

Honestly, if I'm being honest with you, I know a lot about very stupid one needs to know about like I know a lot about Elvis Presley's eating habits, but I don't need to know about that.

[B]

Yeah, no, but that's, that's good, you know, to cultivate that knowledge of you

[C]

catch me on the right night at a trivia night.

[B]

I'm like, well, is there, what, is there anything that you'd like to tell our audience that you have coming out that you're working on that you would like the to direct them towards your podcast? You have two podcasts?

[C]

Yes, I do. I have have two podcasts. I have the comment section which is like my interview based podcast and I also have one called Two Idiot Girls with my sister Jason. I have a book called Loud that's out. I'm writing another book or two more books. What else? I think that's all my big stuff right now that I can talk about. But yeah, you can find me everywhere at Drew Off Wallow. I'm sure you'll see me.

[B]

Such a pleasure. So great talking to you.

[C]

Really well, so great talking to y'. All. Thank you guys.

[B]

Incredibly impressive human being.

[C]

And I do want to say really quick on a serious note, I think you're both comedy legends, big fans of your guys career at snl. I think you guys are both incredible. Both as writers and also as actors, but I just think you guys are amazing. So it's really cool to get to meet you guys and get to vibe with y'. All.

[B]

Yeah, man. Thank you so much. That means a lot. It's great hanging with you.

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See you next time in the Batcave.

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See you next time in the Batcave.

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What's Our Podcast is a Headgun podcast created and hosted by Beck Bennett and Kyle Mooney.

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The show is produced and engineered by Richelle Chen and Anya Konovskaya with production support from Ali Khan and Ryan Luther

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K. So our executive producer is Anya Kanevskaya. Katie Moose is our VP of Content at Headgum. Our theme music is made by us.

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For more podcasts by headgum, visit headcum.com or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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That was a Headgum podcast.