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This is a headgun podcast.
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The Tainted Cup.
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Ah, time for the Tainted Cup.
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Meet your favorite detective duo in the Tainted cup by Robert Jackson Bennett. Oh, Robert, you've done it again.
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My Uncle Robert would always. He was always telling stories when I was growing up, and he would always have these mysteries. I was way too young for them, but he was always telling me about the taint. He goes, it's a fantasy murder mystery starring Anna, if I remember correctly, from.
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What is it Anna or Anna?
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I think it's Anna. Yeah, I think it's Anna. And she's an eccentric detective who prefers to work blindfolded, if I remember correctly. And Din, her magically altered assistant.
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Well, Din.
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Din sounds a little bit like this, doesn't he?
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Dinner. Help me put my blindfold on.
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Of course. Of course.
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Of course. Tim,
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that's a little wet. Yeah. That's a little sample of what you might read in the Tainted Cup.
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Tainted cup won the 2025 Hugo Award and the World Fantasy Award for best novel. That is huge.
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Oh, no, dude, I haven't won.
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Jack. I see all these people winning Webbies and. Yeah, the. Have we done. Yeah, here we are.
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Done anything.
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Every single day working on this stuff.
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Yeah. And we're not winning anything, but so is the point. Got your grapes? For those who can't see, Kyle's got his grapes. The. The. And he ate them. These are plastic grapes that are in the studio for everybody. And he's not going to clean these. He's just going to be covered in his garbage, covered in his goo. But, you know, there's impeccable banter and in the book. The Tainted cup and a plot that's equal parts fun and twisty. The Tainted cup will keep turning pages deep into the night. The New York Times Book Review calls it a thoroughly satisfying delight from start to finish. And when you do finish, the next book in the series will be waiting for you. Kyle's eating his grapes again. The Tainted cup by Robert Jackson Bennett is available in print and audio everywhere. Books are sold, and they can't wait for you to finish the Tainted cup and to start again and to finish and to start again and to finish and to start again and to finish and to start again and on and on.
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Wow.
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Yay. Another episode of what's our Podcast. But first, a little special announcement from Beck and Kyle.
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This is very big. This is.
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It's very huge and big.
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I think this is life changing for me.
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Yeah. As long as it goes well.
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Well, even if it doesn't, it is altering my Life.
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Yeah, it already has.
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The big announcement is we are starting a Patreon.
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Yes. You're saying to yourself, oh, yes, it was.
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You know, it was a risk. It was a swing to even start a podcast together back.
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Yes, it was.
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We didn't know what it is. We still are finding out what it is every single week when we come together with our guests. And when you and I sort of mess around on the microphone.
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Let's tell them what it is. For the first tier, Rocco Basics here.
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It's five bucks a month. You're going to get a bonus episode every week. No guest. Okay. It's just Beck and I doing what we've been doing Since September of 2003 when we first met each other.
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For that tier, we have Sloppin out, which is just the two of us
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hanging out with each other.
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It's like our intro to our show.
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Yeah, but it's longer. We can go into bits longer.
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We'll just be earnest, learn about each other's lives.
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Yes. Catch up for longer. Or we also have what's yous Podcast, where we take ideas from our Patreon members at a certain tier. At the $10 tier, which is the next tier, we take your ideas and we try that podcast out. Right, but you can pitch those ideas at the $10 tier.
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Yes, for 10. Once you get to the $10 tier, premium rock. We're calling Rocco Premium.
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Rocco Premium.
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That's where you actually get to pitch the ideas that we will do on our podcast. You're also going to get access to an exclusive chat. A chat room. Yes, the Discord. The Rocco Discord, where you can talk with other fans, other listeners do probably kind of do your own little bits. Make some friends. Maybe. Maybe you can grab. Grab dinner or coffee with one of them sometime.
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Also with the $10 tier, you get access to. You get to see our. What we're calling our sillies. Yes.
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These are little videos. You know, we came up making videos together, full circle. Because now you and I are just gonna make a little video we've already started. Get a little iPhone, make a little video, play some characters, do some bits.
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Just come up with an idea and pop it right off and just shoot.
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Yeah, we don't need to labor over it.
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Yeah, exactly. We just kind of have fun and pump it out to our Rocco's. You know what I mean?
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I know exactly what you mean, and I love it.
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Yes.
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For 15 bucks, you get all that stuff, plus you get free access to our new ticketed livestream. So, like, we Will talk to you directly. You can ask us questions. We'll be doing these quarterly throughout the year.
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We might do poppers there. We don't know yet. It's only gonna be legal stuff. But we're gonna have fun.
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We have to do poppers.
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Yes. And here's the thing. For Rocket supreme, if you sign up for a full year, you'll get a side headshot of me and Kyle. Yeah, we don't know rave gear, but it's going to be an amazing family heirloom that you get and you can, you know, frame it and put above the fireplace or something or something like that.
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It is really going to be fun. I think it's going to be a place to see some really weird, wild, and crazy stuff where we just get
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to do whatever we want without really caring. So. Yeah. So go to patreon.com what's our podcast? And join today, please.
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That's patreon.com what's our Podcast? And be in the Rocco Club with all your fellow Roccos.
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What's our podcast? What's it gonna be all about? Tell us what's our podcast? What should we talk about with Beck and Kyle? Hey, everybody, I'm Beck Bennett, and this is. Say your name.
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Yes.
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No, not yes.
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Ah, yes. Kennedy.
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Why did you say Kennedy?
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I don't know. I've. I have got buzzy energy with you. You know your name. My name is Kyle. Go on, tell them what you're gonna.
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Okay, so this is. What's our Podcast?
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Yes, I interrupted your.
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Yeah, that's okay. We're just trying out. We don't know what our podcast should be about. That's why it's called what's our Podcast? We have a guest on. Come in and tell us what they think our podcast should be about.
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And you wanted to say something about my shirt, which is like, this is. Please, everybody, listen in.
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Everybody, this is very important. This. Yes, thank you. This is why you come. So Kyle is just like, I think I have some wrinkles in my shirt. And he started licking his shirt. You started licking it. So I'm just. Yeah, I'm like, wondering what was going through your head there.
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I have noticed.
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Because you're a smart guy.
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I appreciate that.
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I was joking.
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Well, that I don't like.
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No, no, no.
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I meant it, but I was joking. You know, I was just joking around.
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Okay, carry on, Kyle world. You know what I like When I don't want to go to the trouble
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of ironing or you start licking your shirt.
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Well, typically, what I do Is I spray a little water on my shirts and I throw them in the dryer.
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Yes, I do that too sometimes.
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What I used to do is hang my shirts up by the shower and try to steam them a bit that way.
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That never really works for me, but
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when I was on tour doing Kyle M. Reel Me, Fake Me tour.
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Amazing. I love the album.
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Oh, thank you so much. That's pretty cool. Yeah, I sometimes, you know, there wouldn't. They wouldn't have a steamer at the venue, and I would just pour some water on my shirt and then, you know, it was a hot summer, so eventually the water would dry out and it would sort of be wrinkle free. So what you caught me doing was actually licking my shirt.
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Yeah, no, I'm clear about you liking your shirt, but there's no like. But the hot. The heat factor is removed. So, like, I was wondering how you were going to bring in the. The heat factor.
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It was a little bit of a tick. I'm not going to. I mean, I could have done something else. You know, Rochelle offered up some wrinkle spray, and it's like, looking back and it's like, just, next time, take the spray, man.
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Right, right. Yeah. I just love how creative you are. Just sort of licking the shit.
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I know. It's like I look like a dog in heat.
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Yeah.
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And that means they're. Or they want to. They.
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They need to. They're like. Have you ever heard of Cat in heat? There used to be a cat in heat around the house that I like.
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A legendary cat.
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Oh, well, I was around USC, around 24th street, and it was like, I only lived there for a year, but it'd be like.
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And you sure that's what that is? That could be. That cat could have been ill. Yeah.
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Yeah. But I think that's a cat in heat.
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Okay.
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I'm pretty sure. I mean, I don't know. Rocco's. Check it out.
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Do these.
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Check out the cat. Go find.
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Check out.
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Go.
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Go behind right now and see who's
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36th street and Hoover. That where you were? USC area or 25th.
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Right by Petsburgh.
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The cat's still around. Yeah, maybe the cat's still around, but yeah, we have. It's one of those days.
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Let's be honest. It is one of those days.
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There is an energy. Do you feel it?
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Oh, yeah.
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You feel it inside your body. You feel it in the room? I feel it Amongst us.
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Yeah. Yeah. Amongst everybody.
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We have a heavy hitter today.
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Yeah. We got a guest. You know, all our guests are heavy. Hitters. They're all incredible. They all are big hitters. They all swing at the plate, you know, and have great batting average and everything.
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Many of them are, I would say, our contemporaries. Is that fair to say?
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Yeah, a lot of people.
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This is somebody who, I imagine we've not had the conversation yet, but I imagine you grew up with their work.
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Yes. As did I. Yeah, yeah, definitely. All over the. I feel like I've gotten more into his work in my 30s, though, to be honest. In my 20s. Like, revisiting it and, you know, reappreciating. Yeah. And we can say who it is.
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Appraising it.
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Yes. Martin Short is coming by today. I assume you grew up with his work as well, being influenced by it.
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Absolutely. Three Amigos was a film that got played a lot in my household. I really liked the movie Clifford, too, growing up. He was just. I mean, like. Yeah, he's a comedy star. He was a star.
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He is. He is a comedy icon. Star, legend. All those. All those big words.
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Yes.
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That come with one, you know, a person who is. Yeah. Just a voice of many generations, I think, has had a prominent voice for decades.
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I'm sure we'll talk about it, but. Yeah, exactly. He's been consistent. He's, like, as funny now as he was in.
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Yeah.
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1982.
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I feel like even. Even more so as a personality off screen or. You mean, like, as himself, if that makes sense. Like, he has become, like. Even in the way that him and Steve have started performing since 2015. Martin. Steve Martin. Yes. Both have the name Martin. I wonder if they've ever talked about that. Martin. Martin Short. It's like, get it. Who's on first? Is it.
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Well, what if Martin or Martin. I just had this thought.
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Yeah.
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Like, what if. If you put them. If you. Steve Martin Short. Like, one word.
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Oh, we should pitch that to him.
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Yeah. I don't know. It could be something to do for a poster.
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Yeah. For just. And. But not for, like, a special. It's just a poster. It's just a poster.
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I didn't put that much. I didn't know. I didn't, like, think too much into the promotion.
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I thought just a poster. A collector's item.
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I wanted to tell your ass something.
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Go ahead and say it, you little fucking bitch. Oh, sorry I called you that. I just kind of felt right, because you're kind of being sassy. Hey, Blue jeans.
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That's not anything.
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Blue jeans. Well, if you go back to the blue. To the jeans episode from. Oh, is that Claudia's episode? I would always. I said, I've struggled with blue jeans. And recently I found these in my closet and I popped them out.
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You. Did you wear them recently, too?
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Yeah, yeah. With Sam on you? Yeah. And I'm bringing them back. It's a nice color. Sell them on you saw them in me. Yeah. Well, that was another day. Yeah. But, you know, but back to Martin Short. Yeah, he's. And we also have gotten to spend time with him at snl. Yeah, he's been around quite a bit. Maya and Marty, he was around then as well. I did, I did the, I did the voiceover for.
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Yeah, you were sort of like Pardo of that.
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It was kind of like, it's Maya and Marty.
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Yeah.
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Pretty cool. Just simple. Kind of a nothing voice. You know what I mean? Kind of. You didn't want to take up.
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Remember that? You should bring that up.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Maybe I will be like, it's my and Marty. Does that mean anything?
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It's Maya and Marty. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, I'll be like, yeah, maybe I'll do that. Be like, hey, yeah, hey, Marty. And I'll do that and we'll see what happens.
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Do you think you're going to immediately refer to him as Marty?
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I could ask him, but I think everybody does.
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Yeah, I'm just, I mean, it's worth,
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I mean, it does, it does feel, it does feel slightly bold.
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Right.
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But I do feel like over the years and multiple interactions at this point. Yeah. I call him Marty.
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Well, anyway, what I wanted to tell you. Yeah, Yeah, I. And Rachelle, please feel free to jump in on this if you want to. No pressure. I'm not trying to.
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Yeah, yeah, I, I, I, Yeah, yeah.
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We're doing her thing.
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Rochelle pops in without being prompted. Yeah.
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Right.
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Yeah. That'll be the day that
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she's the
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one who makes us look good.
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Yes. Thank you, Rochelle. Thank you.
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I had a nightmare last night.
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No.
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Yes. How often are you getting nightmares these days?
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Absolutely zero.
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You just don't get them.
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Don't get them.
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Do you remember the last time you had one?
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Ooh, yeah. Not really. The old brain doesn't work too well.
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I'm sorry about that.
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Not holding on to too much. Kind of in and out, you know what I mean? No, I, I have randomly thing. No, no, I. Little pops here and there. I. But the, the weed does suppress dreams.
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Yeah.
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And I am, I am about to reduce my cannabis intake, so maybe I'll, maybe I'll have some more popping up. But what, what was your nightmare?
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You Know, I. Here's the thing. I don't even really remember the nightmare. I feel like I was stuck in some sort of structure, like with some people and maybe they were like persons from my lives, but we were in some sort of an inescapable situation.
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Okay, classic.
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But I woke up. Like, I do that. Like this has happened for the last. I would say. I would say once I started snl, my nightmares perked up and it's a situation where like often when I'm stressed, like, or anxious, I'll get. The nightmares will become more consistent.
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That makes sense.
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And I will truly wake up screaming.
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That's wild. I don't think I've ever done that. Like, like you will wake. Wow. So you're like. It's not like you wake up and you're like, you're mid scream as far as you know.
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You know what happens a lot is that like in the dream I'm trying to say something.
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Yes.
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And I can't get it out.
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I have done that. Or I'm trying to like.
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Yeah, well, yeah. So I'm trying to get it out and like the moment I wake up, I finally start to get it out. But it's just like, it's like an in, you know, incomprehensible screams. It'll be like. Like I finally. I'm like trying so hard to say
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something and, and will you remember what it is that you were trying to say once you've woken up? Or you will. You'd be like, usually like, help me get out of.
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Yeah, get out of my way.
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Like, we gotta go.
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Like. And of course my, my partner is often next to me.
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Yeah.
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And she'll be like, are you okay? Okay?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But what I wanted to tell you
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that is that is like very. What are like a. I mean even if that's like frustrating or scary for her, like, I feel like that's a very. Like it's very easy to feel like, is it sympathy or not empathy but like to feel. To feel for the person.
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Yeah.
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You know, because being woken up from that feeling or thought like she's experienced.
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She's been next to me so many times having gone through this that like I think at first. Yeah, I would be curious. We should. I should ask her. I think at first, like, she was probably like a little scared by it. Like, what's going to happen in the state? Like, is it like a night terror? Like what's happening? But, But I think now it's because it's been fairly consistent over the Past decade or whatever. Like, I think she's pretty cool with it. Anyway, I'm lying back in bed and I'm closing my eyes and I'm trying to get ready to go back to sleep and I'm sort of like rehashing the nightmare in my head. Like, oh, I wonder if that's connected to that thing that I heard earlier. And the dream did involve the devil. That's what I remember.
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Oh wow. Yeah.
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And I heard the devil was mentioned on like a little Instagram clip earlier that day.
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Oh, wow.
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But I started just sort of like, oh, that's where it came from. Just sort of like thinking in my head. And then I started thinking of the movie the Purge.
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Uh huh.
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I've seen it. Just the first.
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I don't even know that I've seen a full Purge movie. Maybe I've seen one of them, but like just such a scary concept. And it was like one of those things where it's like, I don't want to go back to bed and just be thinking about the Purge.
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Now I got the Purge in my head. I'm going to have a Purge nightmare.
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And like. Yeah, for some reason the idea of the Purge is the most frightening thing. Like you just step outside of your place and then people are going to kill you.
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And they got those masks and stuff
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and it's not real.
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No, no, no, no, no, no. But it's something kind of people have
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been talking about doing.
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It's kind of happening. That is. Right, sure, yeah. But just kind of with the government. Yeah, there, that is happening. Very scary. So maybe that's. Maybe you're picking up on those feelings too. That's very possible because I, I've started to. Not to fully go there. But I just the other day I was like, what if people come to my house and are like pulling like, say they want to come in, like, where would I hide?
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How often do you think about intruders?
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I used to think about it more like typically when I'm in a new space. Like when we moved into our new house, I would think about it a lot. The first, I don't know, eight months. And I would go through scenarios and I'd get like very, you know, like lying in bed, like all of a sudden I'd be like. Right. Like just fully awake though, but like going to another place of like, would I fight? Would I, you know, would I. What room would I go to? How would I escape? But you know, like go going through scenarios. But at this point I, I haven't recently Just. I mean, until recent, you know, events, but.
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Right. Do you hear ever, like, hear noises and think somebody's trying to break in?
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Yeah, well, I. There's like, our house does this weird thing. The wall. I feel like it, like, kind of like does like a little creek. Like, not even a creek, just like an adjustment.
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Sometimes randomly, like, it's like stretching it back.
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Yeah, it's kind of.
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Yeah.
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It's very. It's a very small noise. But I'll hear that and go, like, is there somebody over there? Or like, I'll hear on the monitor. Ruby's like, nanit monitor. I'll hear like a door creak. But it's like, it's probably. I think it's the way his door is. We leave his door cracked open and with the AC or the heat, like, if. If the door is closed enough, it could, like, the. The vent might move it.
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Yeah. That. That Something similar happens in our home.
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Yeah. Why? What about you? Do you think about. Think about intruders a lot?
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Yeah, sometimes, like, a noise will spook me. And do you get.
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Do you have a bat? You got.
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You know what? I was going to. I was gonna cover that, but now
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I'm like, you don't want to give it away.
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Yeah.
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In case any of our Roccos come in. Yeah.
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I want them to know that. That my home is heavily. Is guarded.
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Yeah.
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I've got protected.
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I've got weapons hidden every three feet in my house.
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Damn. That's.
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Was that ninja star. They're very well with them. He likes them. They're sharp and stuff, and it's like. It excites him. But it's time, brother. Join the movement.
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What's the movement?
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I don't know.
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You know, brothers in arms. Brothers.
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That sounds like a white nationalist thing.
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It does.
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Join the white. Join brothers in arms, man.
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Join brothers in arms, brother. Yeah, I know that's. It was supposed to sound like that, but I'm not all about any of that crap. Well, I'm sorry you had a nightmare, but.
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Yeah, it was probably because you were anxious about today. Yes, there was the devil thing I heard, but it was also probably because, like, I. Yeah, I was a little nervous today, but. Yeah, sorry I brought. I kind of brought you into this, Rochelle, which I didn't have to, but. Do you ever have nightmares? I actually do have a lot of nightmares, often.
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Okay.
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What. Is there a consistent theme? The most recurring nightmare from my childhood is I'm being hunted down by Gumby.
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Wow. Wow.
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And is it like, what does Gumby look Like, is he like the claymation version? Is he like claymation version? And it takes place on. It always takes place in a white room with like. It kind of, I guess looks like a set, but it's like, yeah, white. Psych. And just like big shapes, like a big cube and like balls that I'm like hiding behind. And you've had this nightmare since you were a child. You still have it? I still have it. And you're scared in it. Yeah, I'm really scared now.
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This is a personal question, so we can cut this too, but do you. Do you like, do you drink? Do you smoke weed? Do you take any. Anything?
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Nothing? Yeah, I actually. I don't drink or smoke weed.
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Interesting. I feel like that's gotta have. Because. Just. Because what I've heard about, you know, what substances can do to your. To your dreams and how it can slow them down.
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Were you a fan of Gumby? I don't know. I feel like I watched it really young and I just never liked it. And then he appeared in my dreams and I never watched it again.
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I used to have a recurring dream about the gremlins. They were like. There was like a sort of a post apocalyptic scene. I like got out of a window of a bathroom and then like I went down a sidewalk and they. They saw me and they like. And they. I got down on the sidewalk and there's like, you can see sort of an orange scott. Like they're like tear, you know, sort of terrorizing. Like they do like the gremlins. They'd be terrorizing, lighting stuff on fire. Things are kind of going crazy. And then one of them is jumping on my chest and I'm lying on the ground and I'm like, that doesn't really hurt. Like that's it.
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Right.
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But I was scared until that moment. And it's like, huh. And then I wake up. But I had it like every couple years or something like that. Wow. But it's. I haven't had it for a long time.
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Yeah, I had. My recurring dream was always. I was playing baseball, Little league baseball. And I would be a base runner. I would run past first base towards second base. And then I would just get stuck right in between first and second. And I was like frozen. I couldn't do anything. It was like I was like, not even a molasses because I couldn't just. I just couldn't move. And then they would like easily tag me out.
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Yeah. The feeling of being stuck is awful. Sometimes I have that thing of like. I know I'M asleep is a certain type of dream or it's a certain type of feeling. I know I'm asleep and I'm like, half awake. And I'm like, I can't move my body. Oh, yeah. And I can't make a noise. And then sometimes I'll wake up and do the thing. Yeah, that sort of thing.
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Yeah. Sometimes you're nerds. Sometimes.
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Well, sometimes I get really scared sometimes
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because my bed's sort of like. It's classic lay down style.
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So, like. But no, but look, have you ever like.
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What? Sorry.
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I was gonna. I was gonna say we're safe here. There's no Gumby, there's no Gremlins, there's no Satan.
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Yeah.
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We do have Martin Short.
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Yeah. We should keep the dream stuff to him and.
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Yeah, but we can break it up. You can tell him you got. You had a nightmare last night. I'm sure he'd take care of you. But let's. Should we just get into it? I feel like you must be coming soon. Unless there's something else you said. Unless there's something else you say.
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Well, I always say
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Scooby Doo.
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Let me think of it. I've got something really good. Round them up. It's.
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Yeah, no, that was really good.
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Give me one more chance. I always say.
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Yeah,
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let's have another go at it.
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Oh, thank you. That was great. So that's kind of like the guys, like, it's the guy.
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It's all of the guys.
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He's like in the back or something and he's like, we've just heard from.
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Let's have another go at it.
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And you hear the click clack of his shoes walking on the street.
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He's been an incredible legend of comedy and backdrops.
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Well, everybody, welcome back to the Batcave.
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Welcome back to the Batcave. We never intro that welcome.
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As Kyle would say, welcome to the Batcave. Let's have another go at it and let's see what happens on what's our
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podcast with Ben, Kyle and Martin Short.
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Oh, you like Fabletics? Oh, wow.
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Well, yeah, I got a new Fabletic on for a fabletic dinner and date tonight.
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Yeah. Let me take a look at that.
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Yes, I see you making plans.
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Yeah. Yeah. You should come over my house and dig.
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I would love to dig. Thank you.
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Yes.
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I'm kind of like, holes. My life. My life is holes. Yeah, I'm just digging. It's been digging and digging and digging. Just trying to find something. Can't really. I'm. I'm.
B
Yeah, no, go on.
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No, I'm just.
B
You're searching for something.
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Yeah, I'm a little lost, so I'm just digging holes and.
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Just get your ass, get your, get your right now.
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A
Oh, Kyle, I have to just vent for a second. Isn't it so annoying that every device we own has like a different chart, different cord, different charging cord? You know, your phone, your headphones, your watch, your tablet, your Kindle, your computer. Like, or like your, I don't know, your toys that you might have that are electronic.
B
You know, I have the 3,000 to record.
A
3,000. The needle jammer three. The needle jammer three. Tronic, the squirmy worm 16.
B
The sword.
A
Yeah. So look. And they all have different charges, so it should be illegal. Not anymore. Thanks to Ridge. Just like Ridge revolutionized the wallet, by the way.
B
The wallet they made.
A
Yeah, I remember.
B
I know it.
A
The wallet. Yeah, yeah. Before they did that, I was like, where do I put all this?
B
Ridge wallet is. What they did with the wallet is so incredible.
A
Yeah, it's stronger.
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I can't even imagine this if this is real, what I'm reading. I'm like, dude, they did it.
A
Like, they did it. They did the thing that everybody else wanted to do and nobody did.
B
Why are people. Why, like, everybody should be talking about this.
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I know. Everybody should have one.
B
Everybody should be like, because it has MagSafe wireless charging.
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Yes, yes.
B
Apple Watch charger, Lightning, USB C. Yeah. Every way you need to charge, it's all in one premium device, I believe.
A
Yeah. That means no juggling anymore. No juggling adapters and wall outlets at the airport just to get 20%.
B
I know. Plus now I believe there's 20 watts of power.
A
Yeah.
B
And with 10,000 milliamp hours capacity, you got up to three full phone chargers in your pocket.
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Oh, that feels good. It has MagSafe compatible wireless charging, so you can keep it magnetically attached to the back of your phone if you want some permanent extra juice. Permanent extra juice. That was my rap name in high school.
B
I can imagine you rolling down the street. Permanent extra juice is here. Everybody make clear.
A
And I'd walk in like a defunk a man. The funky man. The funky man.
B
And the newest iPhone just dropped.
A
Oh.
B
Which I believe, like you could do filming, texting. It has the calculator on it, I think. Yes. It has app style data. It has social media onlets.
A
Thermometer.
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Thermometer. And like video style phone and conference slating, I believe.
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Oh, that's great. Well, so, yeah, make sure you pair.
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Yeah, you have like 69 chargers.
B
Power banks.
A
You have six. Yeah, 69 power banks. 69 power banks, 69 cords.
B
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Please, guys, please support our show and tell them our show sent you.
B
I have been hearing. This is not a bit. No, I've been hearing from a lot of my colleagues that they are using these products or advertising. Yeah, they're getting the discounts. It's changing their lives. They're trying to get the discounts
C
or
B
they are using the getting, but they're not telling them how they found out about us.
A
Yeah, and that. That hurts us more than it helps us. Call the companies.
B
Tell them our show sent you guys.
A
It'd mean a lot.
B
Oh, you didn't have to do this, Marty.
C
I know not all of the alumni you work with would have.
B
No, absolutely. They're not a lot of people.
C
I haven't seen Jason Sedis in here yet.
A
No, no, no, no. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
B
That's a good. That's. That's a great get, but you are the get.
A
Yeah, that would have been amazing. Can you help us get Jason Sedez?
B
How close are you?
C
Well, he's a spirit. That's all I can say.
B
Okay. A spirit. Meaning he's like a ghost.
C
I don't know Jason. I don't know anyone in ch. You want this? Like this? Yeah, yeah.
A
Right there. Right.
B
So listen, I do want to talk a little bit about the parking lot spot stuff.
C
Well, look, first of all, this is not. This is. This is a new podcast. You're not flush with money.
B
That's true.
A
No, we're new podcasters.
C
I'd never done a podcast at Phil's Recording Studio and Grill, but it's interesting to be here.
A
Yeah.
C
And I was given a very small space to park, but you. Kyle had parked half into my space, so I had to sneak out like a.
B
Now I want to be clear about where my car is. Are you sure it's my car?
A
Because Kyle's car is the blue car.
C
I was told it was the middle one, like, the farthest to the right.
A
You know, I. I think I'm. I don't think I'm. I'm. That one. I parked two spots over from yours.
C
Yeah, no, it's Kyle.
B
I'm the blue car, by the way.
A
Let's just. I think we say it's Kyle. Right?
B
I'm. I'm okay with that. I'm okay to just say it's me. I don't know that I believe that it's me, but you're our guest, and I want to make you happy. And so I'm going to tell you, it's me. It's my fault.
C
Well, listen, let it go.
A
Let it go. I don't want to do I keep
B
on talking about the parks.
C
Well, you know, I'd love to get to the interesting part of this podcast. Wouldn't it be fun?
A
It would be so fun. That's one of Kyle's favorite words. Interesting. So he loves interesting stuff, and we love to get interesting. We're so honored that you came here. Part of, like, having a podcast, it is like, when somebody like you or you agrees to do it, there's that feeling of, like, what? Wow. Oh, God. Okay. Are you sure he wants to do this? It's so. And it's like. It's just overwhelming. It's great. It's just. It's exciting.
C
We don't want to over question whether he wants to do it. Because you might get truthful answers.
A
Right. Absolutely. So I'll leave it at that.
C
Just leave it at that. I'm here, delighted. And I can't wait for the per diem.
A
Oh, great. We do need to watch that.
B
We should talk about that, because I don't believe we're set up for that today, but I do think that's something that if we can get in touch with your reps, we could probably get to you.
C
Oh.
A
In some cash. Yeah.
C
We can get you Some cash.
A
Yeah.
C
It's kind of like I was told there would be. Up here.
B
Pretty.
C
Isn't that funny?
B
Oh, yeah.
A
No, no, we could definitely work that out.
C
I mean, oh, yeah, because. No, I really. I wanted travel an hour and a half from the Palisades just for the excitement of being unable to get out of my car after I parked.
A
Yes. We want to keep it fun, challenging.
C
Yes. Well, so far it hasn't happened, but the future's before us, isn't it?
A
Yeah. There's Anything could happen.
C
Okay.
A
Oh, yeah. Rip it into it. Yes.
C
Yeah. Can you do that sound? That's better. Try it again.
B
Okay. You sure?
A
Right now? Right now. Go for it.
C
No, it's like a sedated tiger, right? Mine is. See? And then if you whistle, you can do your cricket.
A
I can't. I can't do that.
C
Pretty good, though. Work on it. I'll tell you who. Kyle, you'll never get it.
A
Yeah, yeah, try that. Try the cricket.
B
Give me one more chance, Marty.
C
Okay.
A
Go ahead, baby.
B
Which one am I doing? The cricket or the cricket? Okay, okay.
C
How about tonight?
B
Give me one second. Sorry about that.
A
And go for it.
B
About to do it. Here we go.
C
You seem uncomfortable.
B
This is the closer I do with my friends. All right, here we go. Could you do it one more time for me.
A
And Kyle? Go.
B
There we go.
C
No.
A
See, that was.
B
No.
A
Yeah.
C
It's as sad as anything gets.
A
It's one of the saddest things I've ever seen.
C
Can you do a crow?
B
Yes, sir.
C
Let's hear it.
B
Would you. When would you like me to do it?
C
Right.
A
Just lay it on us, brother.
C
Oh, no.
A
Oh, you dropped your cube. You dropped your cube. How about this?
B
But the Listen is the Cube.
A
Not bad. I think I could.
B
I actually think I could do better than that.
C
It's here.
B
Okay.
C
No, that's kind of an injured monkey.
A
Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow.
C
See? Okay. There you go.
A
That's good. That's good. I didn't know you could do so many animals. Again, I really am.
C
Here's my question with this podcast.
A
Yeah.
C
Yeah. At what point do they hit record and we start actually bringing entertainment to the people?
A
This is it now.
B
You didn't think the crow sound was entertaining?
C
I think it was a setup. And I was trying to, like, you know, get something going.
B
Goose.
A
Yeah, yeah. Get something going. I mean, the fact of the matter
C
is, it is like driving a car from here to Vegas on a flat.
B
Okay, so you're not enjoying yourself right now?
C
No, I wouldn't say that.
B
You just want the party to get started.
C
Yeah. But also, that's why sometimes roadkill is interesting, you know?
A
Yes, exactly. Yeah, it's. You never know what's gonna happen. Yeah.
C
You're on the couch, I'm over here.
A
Yeah.
C
I'm not saying you're roadkill.
A
Yeah.
C
But if you were Bobby Kennedy, very excited.
A
He does.
B
He did one of those the other day.
C
I. I did do one the other day. Oh, that's better. Because it's deeper.
A
It's a little deeper.
C
Yeah.
A
But the stiltedness is.
B
I sort of got one something like this. Have you heard this one?
C
Oh, that's your Cricket.
B
Yes.
A
Oh, that is so fantastic. That really is fantastic.
C
And so you got Cricket, who's doing eight shows a week on Broadway and has lost their voice.
B
That's exactly how I tell. How I pitch it to my. To my. To my boss.
C
Yeah.
A
You know, Kyle's never done Broadway. I just did Broadway for the first time. I did Simon Rich's show all out, so I just did two weeks.
C
Oh, I saw it. I saw Opening Night. You weren't in it.
A
I wasn't in it.
C
No.
A
I was in it with Cecily, Jim Gaffigan, Wayne Brady and Mike Birbiglia, but it was two weeks. Wow.
C
It's a hip group.
A
Yeah, very hip group. You are a Tony Award winner.
C
You've. That is true.
A
You did a couple runs. Are you interested in going back to Broadway at any point? I mean, I know you're touring with.
C
You know, it's always interesting. I mean, eight shows a week is a lot.
A
It's a lot of. I mean, I only had to do it for two weeks, so it was fun. I, like, I don't even know what it's like.
C
I've done like nine and ten month runs and stuff like that. Ooh, no. Last time I did it was 2015. It's only a Play with Matthew Broderick.
A
Oh, okay, okay, okay.
B
And from the research I've done, and by the way, I'm like, I try to be really prepared for these interviews.
C
Oh, good.
B
I believe you also did the Producers.
C
That is correct, sir.
B
You had your, Your. Your one man show.
C
Fame Becomes Me.
A
Yes. How?
B
What? Do you have a preference between that? Between, like being a solo performer playing an ensemble or is it just.
C
Oh, I. I think ensemble's more fun.
A
Yeah.
C
Because it's always the hang.
A
Right.
C
You know, it's not. After a bit, you. Okay. I get this is the way you say your line, but it's who's gonna be. Make you laugh on stage? Who's gonna. Or, like, who wants to go to dinner afterwards?
A
Yeah, that's what it was like. I mean, like, I was able to really, like, do that for two weeks because it was only two weeks. It was like me and Cecily just, like, making each other laugh as much as possible before we went on stage. Going out afterwards for a drink and some dinner was the best thing in the world.
B
Yeah. I haven't really done the Broadway thing yet, but I'm gonna take.
A
Yeah, well, you keep working on your cricket and you're gonna figure it out. You're gonna.
C
What would you do, like, if you had, like, a part on Broadway? Like, I see. A few years ago, I would have said the young prince in Pippin, but he's 17, and I think that's probably not a great choice for you.
B
Willy Loman.
C
Well, you know, I pay to see it. Week four, I'm gonna take.
B
I'm gonna. I'm gonna go home with. I'm gonna. I feel lifted. I'm gonna start reading A Death of a Salesman. I'm gonna get off book and I'm ready if. If you know people who are in that business. Oh, I do be interested in something like that. I definitely am excited and interested.
C
Yeah.
A
It seems like you know everybody. It really does.
C
I've never met Donald Trump.
A
Oh, you got it.
C
Well, we.
A
He hosted when we were in the cast. We can.
C
You're buddies with him.
A
Yeah, yeah, we're going to. We're. He's letting us perform at the Trump Kennedy. Senator. Senator.
C
I am so envious.
A
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's going to be really exciting. Me and Kyle are doing a show.
B
Marty here's delayed. On him that we're new to this. These aren't.
C
No kidding.
A
Yeah. If you can't tell, we've never done this before.
B
Our best. And it is. It's intimidating to have somebody of your stat. You are true.
C
Oh, I think I'm so.
A
Of the people. You are. You are.
B
You have actually been incredible. Every interaction. You know, you meet. Working at snl, you get to meet these people who are truly your heroes. And your peers are also incredible. But whenever you would come there, like, you are incredibly sweet. And you also are so incredibly funny every time.
C
Thank you. Now, more importantly, who's the biggest prick that you ever experienced as a guest host?
B
Ma', am, I think we both know the answer.
A
We have a safe answer. Yeah.
B
And do you want me to. I'll say it. And we'll bleep it out, maybe.
C
Or do you have to be honest? I know you're not really going to say it. Yeah, yeah.
B
Have you interacted with him?
C
No, never met him.
A
Yeah, he was tough. Yeah.
C
Was he tough because he was scared, do you think?
B
I think I. I want to say part of it was he just didn't give a. About the process. Like, it's like he kind of is his own person. Maybe didn't care about the show and so therefore was like kind of.
C
Well, that is conceivable. He could have been talked into by publicists and never saw it.
A
I think he was throwing him back all week.
C
Yeah, well, it was just. Okay, so that's the answer.
A
That's the answer.
C
It is a weird. But I would say that 98 of the people I've worked with, directors, actors, have been sweet and lovely and great.
B
Yes.
A
Especially the further you get along because it's like it kind of goes with. It just goes with, I don't know, like being professional. It's like it's. People only want to be around you if you're good to work with.
C
Right. A little bit.
A
Right. Like it's.
C
Well, even Hollywood, if you're like a difficult big star, they'll put up with it as long as your films are massive hits. But the second they start to go
A
down, get them out, then that moment ends and you don't have another moment. But yeah, I mean, like to jump on what Kyle says, and it's been said a lot, anybody who's a fan of yours loves your work, but also, I think, knows how much you're loved.
C
Do you have a new baby? You said?
A
I do. Well, not new at this point. He's four. Kyle's baby is two and a half. Two and a half. So that really is like such a difference.
C
I know those ages. So, like I have grandkids and they're all that age, so I know everything. Think about four, two and a half, three and five.
A
Yeah.
B
How do you. How are you as a grandfather?
C
Oh, I'm great. I'm great. I'm a clown.
B
I believe that.
C
No, I mean, like, I scream. Like I could have been one of those bad hosts in a children's show, you know, making sounds and that's all they love, attacking them.
A
Absolutely.
C
You know.
B
Right.
A
I mean, like, you seem to have. I mean, you have such incredible energy. Like, is that was part of that. Is that like exercise? Is that diet? Yeah.
C
I mean, you know, I do the bike and I swim and I do Pilates, but I, I even, I, I mean, because I'm 75 and it's surreal because you still feel like you're the same age. 50 always.
A
Yeah.
C
Except when you see it written down, you go, well, I should be, you know, I should be Sunrise Assisted living, having. Playing canasta with someone.
A
Right.
C
So it is hard to believe that I still am running around on stage in a nude suit.
A
I remember seeing at the gala at the national or the Museum of Natural History, seeing Steve, I believe, played you like a bagpipe.
C
Bagpipe, yeah.
A
And I was like, oh my God, it was so funny. And I couldn't, I just like, it blew my mind. Yeah, it is.
B
You're still so. Forgive me. Elastic in ways that it's like, oh, oh my God.
C
No, but I think that's DNA. I think that's it. Why is Dick Van Dyke tap dancing, you know, on a table at 100?
B
No, but, yeah, I. Sorry to.
A
Yeah, that's true.
B
To praise you for a moment, if you don't mind.
C
Oh, please. I love praise.
B
And then I'll get into some questions because of that. But like, well, I mean, I don't even want to say how much you've meant to us. So I want to be hyper specific about these characters that we love.
C
All right.
B
Jiminy Glick. I've got questions about Ed Grimley. I was thinking about this because I revisited some of it in the last day or so.
C
That's pretty crazy.
B
It's so. Well, the character is so, I don't know, lived in. And I feel like I've heard you talk about it and it seems so earnest. I mean, appearance wise, he's very silly, but like, this also feels like somebody you could truly meet and interact with.
C
No, I was. I remember once having a conversation with my sister in law. This is like in 1979, and I'm, you know, my 20s and she's in her 20s and they were flying down to visit. I was doing my first show, the Associates Jim Brooks sitcom. That didn't last, but they came down and Liz was now 26, but she said, I was so excited to fly today. You know, I changed my outfit about three times and I thought, jesus, I'm now flying in jogging pants and flip flops. And I was envious by her. I thought it was so attractive how she was still enthusiastic about things that I'd become jaded about. So that became a part of Ed Grimley. So that even, like he's going on about Thanksgiving, I must say. But then the phone rings and he's going to answer the phone. Gee, I love the phone. There's always such a sense of mystery, you know, And I thought, how great if you were that excited about every aspect. Yes. And he was an adult. He wasn't like, you know, a kid. He was supposed to be a guy, 30 year old.
B
I'm curious because, like, the character is and was so iconic and feels like emblematic of an era. Like, it's like we grew up in the 80s and like Ed Grimley was around, there were dolls, it was, it was pretty ubiquitous.
A
I feel like I knew about the character before I knew what the character was.
C
How.
B
I'm curious how that felt. I mean, like when something reaches that level of, I guess, hitting the zeitgeist. Were you aware of it? Did it feel, you know, I never
C
became terribly aware of anything about that. I was always just, oh, I have this new. Oh, now I'm doing an animated cartoon show. Oh my God, this isn't gonna work. Oh my God, we're doomed. You know, and then I assembled, you know, Eugene Levy, Catherine o', Haring, Chris Gaston and Jonathan Winters, and still you're panicked about it. You see the first animation, you go, oh my God, okay, we're doomed. Then you have to go and loop new jokes based on the awkward animation. So you never sit back and say, but wait a second, Ed Grimley's become icon. You know, you're saying you've just destroyed.
B
Do you feel that?
A
Sure, sure, right.
B
Looking back, do you just. Do you. Can you now say like, oh, that is a really cool.
C
Oh, no, absolutely. I can look back on a lot of stuff in my career with a great deal of pride. Even if it didn't work commercially, if, if I feel, you know, the, like, Clifford is a perfect example. The critics hated it.
A
Yeah.
C
No one saw it at the beginning. And now, you know, they have revivals. So it's just. But at the time I didn't. I thought, this is great. It's so weird. And I would always know like when people would come to air in the airports to me and, and I'd always, by their age, I could kind of almost predict what they would say. Like if they were a 48 year old guy, he talked about three amigos. But if it was a guy in his 20s that looked like he'd just done meth, it was gonna be Clifford.
A
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
B
What is. I mean, hearing you talk about like working on the animated series Red Gremlin, it sounds like even though this is like sort of, forgive me, I'm gonna try to articulate this as I talking. As I talking. But, like, you know, this is something that you could have just sort of, like, not cared too much about.
A
Right.
B
Because it's just, oh, this is a Saturday morning cartoon. Whatever. But it sounds like you did care about it.
C
I never had that. I never was able to do that, even with a talk show.
A
Yeah, Yeah, I would.
C
My premise was all. Has always been in show business, you do everything you can and someone will probably screw it up, but you can still toast yourself at the end of the day with a glass of champagne and say, nothing I could do. Like on a movie set, I would. Or a television set. I always make everyone fall in love with me and the director love me. So that when I can go up and say, can I have another take? A freedom one. Should we give Marty a freedom?
A
Yeah, this is the truth.
C
And then on that level of permission, I weasel about three extra takes and one improvised. And then I go home and say, that guy's a moron. He'll pick all the wrong takes. But God bless me, I did everything I could do. So even when I would do Letterman or Kimmel or Fallon or all these shows, I send way too many notes in. I'm way too prepared just so that I can go out and feel confident because I've done everything I could do.
A
Right.
B
Do you still get nervous? Do you get butterflies? Have you ever. Where are you at?
C
No, I don't get. I don't get. But I tend to get nervous.
A
Nice.
B
Okay.
A
Yeah, yeah.
B
Most confident man I've ever.
C
No, no, really. I mean, you know, you've been through a lot of, you know, I'll tell you why. Because it was early on, even again, late 20s, and I'm doing some show and I'm nervous. It's opening night, and then once again, I'm kind of great. And I thought, I know. This is what I at least know I'm not gonna fumble the ball opening night. So don't. Because in comedy, as, you know, if you're lazy, scared, it doesn't help.
A
It doesn't.
C
Looseness helps.
A
Right. You know, and so like, you talked about watching, you know, watching the animation or being like. You know, being like, oh, you know, I don't know, the criticisms or the making sure that. I guess, like.
C
Well, I think it's your own criticism. Right, Right.
A
For me, it's always hard to see myself still in most things. It's like, it didn't land the way I wanted to have that.
C
But distance does help.
A
That yes, it does. Yeah. Years later I can look back and go, oh, that was. That was all right. Do you, do you still have that sort of thing?
C
Well, I never. Like, for example, to my. When. When my son. Sons are now in their 30s, but Oliver and Henry, when they were like 6 and 7, I mean, I never would show them anything.
A
Yeah.
C
I remember Ollie came home like at 9 from a sleepover. Hey, dad, did you know you made a Western? Because he had never seen it.
A
Yeah, yeah. I'm wonder. I. We're far away from that with our kids, but I have no idea how, you know, I've shown him some things, but he doesn't, he doesn't understand what it is.
C
Yeah, but that's what I'm. Yeah, but he's for. I'm just saying that. That the reason I didn't do it is that I didn't want to come into the house every day and see three amigos. Because if you introduce something to an eight year old, they're gonna see it.
A
Yeah.
C
Want to see it 300 times.
B
Right.
C
And then you're saying, oh, God, they went with that take.
A
Yeah.
B
Right. What is, what is their level currently of like, the knowledge of your work
C
and like, they're very into sctv. So Theo, who's six, my eldest grandson, is now obsessed with PBS Battle of the Network stars with me as Julia Child fighting John Candy. No, John Candy's Julia child.
A
Yeah.
C
I'm Mr. Rogers. And they love.
B
Did he watch it with them or. No.
C
Well, yeah, anything physical. And then he was obsessed with. I had done this piece on sctv, the premise that Jerry Lewis starred in an Ingmar Bergman film called Scenes from an Idiot's Marriage. And he became obsessed with it and can do all the timing of that stuff.
B
That's so rad.
A
Wow.
C
Yeah.
B
Well, another character I mentioned, obviously, Jiminy Glick, I think is one of the Alzheimer's.
A
Yeah, absolutely.
B
I have a very specific question.
C
Yes.
B
The donuts, the food that you're sometimes stuffing into your mouth, what are the repercussions of that? Is there any aftermath?
C
No. I mean, I remember I would always get specific Krispy Kreme doughnuts that were glazed but had no center to them or no chocolate on them because then they were so soft. I could put about five in my mouth. Are you sweet?
A
But there was never a choke or anything like that.
C
No, no, no. Then I never swallow. Normally I go, I'll eat that later. You know, put a big mound of dough.
A
I have an urge to ask if
B
you think he's got an urge, folks.
A
If Jiminy would have any advice, as a host of a show, if he would have any advice for new podcasters interviewing people. You know, I've seen your work, I've
C
heard your work, and it celebrates the word lacking. But I think the big thing I've learned is just because you ask a question doesn't mean you need an answer. Oh, you know, okay, that seems pointed. I actually said that I was interviewing Edie Falco, and we just improvise these things.
A
Yeah.
C
And in the middle of her answering, I went, shh. Just cause I ask you a question doesn't mean I need an answer. And she was completely like. And she later said, because shush was like her Achilles heel growing up, you know?
A
Wow.
C
But I don't know.
A
But that's actually great advice. Like, don't put too much on the answer. Just keep. Just keep it moving however you want.
C
If you're going to have a guest near you, you bathe, you get a sponge. You put some soap on the sponge.
B
Just for experience.
A
Yeah. Okay. That's fantastic. Yeah. Kyle's often coming in wet.
B
No, I want to smell good for. For both you. Jiminy And. And.
C
Well, thank you.
B
Short. Absolutely. I have.
A
Dixie's.
B
Your wife.
C
Dixie, my wife. You smell like a possum just exploded, so.
B
Well, that's not a good.
C
That's not the best soap.
A
No, no, no, no, no, no. Don't use that.
B
I'm using a bad soap.
A
Yeah. Switch up your soap. Yeah.
C
Satan's soap is no longer.
A
Kyle brought up Satan in the intro.
C
He did?
A
Yeah. He had a nightmare last night, and Satan was in his dream. Yeah.
C
And I'll tell you what he was doing. He's trying to get his soap back.
B
Yeah. Yeah, Dude.
C
Oh, my God.
A
We think. We think Kyle had a. He had a nightmare because he was anxious about interviewing you, and then you brought up Satan. So it's all connected. And this is your shadow here. Right.
B
Like.
C
But why would you be nervous if you're saying that I'm a nice guy, why would you be nervous?
B
But here's why.
A
Still.
B
Yeah. I think it's. I think there are many things happening. Happening. Okay. One. One that. What. What's happening is like, one is that
C
I'm seeing, and it's called soiling oneself. Yes, go ahead.
A
Yes. He has. He has a problem with that. Yeah.
B
Okay. I did that, like four times. People still bring it up. I mean, how much you mean to. To me and, like, how much your work has meant to me. That's that's something that I'm taking into account. I'm taking into account that this is a series that we're still working on and I want it to be a good episode.
A
You're a full work in progress.
C
You're a full get, and we want
A
to make you feel good.
C
I think you have to add to the list they're balancing and working on the levels of the prescriptions.
B
Yes.
A
Yeah, absolutely.
B
Well, I'm raw dogging today. I'm going cold. I'm just giving you the real Kyle.
C
No, I know.
A
That was a good choice. That was a good choice.
C
And I'm missing the old Kyle.
A
I liked you medicated. Yeah. Oh, you guys are tongue depressed.
B
But there might be. But I feel like this is an episode where people are going to be psyched to hear you talk and I want to give them a good show.
C
Well, you are.
A
You are. You really are.
C
You are. You're doing as good. The best work you've ever done in your life.
A
That's huge. That's huge.
B
Now I feel like I'm searching for that, but I just want to say that's maybe why I had the nightmare.
A
Yeah, that's why. Satan. Come up, Satan. Satan's around. Satan's circling Kyle. I have a. I have a general question about your characters.
C
Satan circling Kyle. The name of your. That's the name of the ser. The podcast.
A
Oh, yeah, we could do that. Just kind of explore all your demons.
B
Yeah, he's always around and it makes me pretty nervous.
A
The, you know, looking back at a lot of your work, there's like. I mean, you have such an incredible smile and you bring this joy to a lot of your characters and a lot of like, the. I mean, you know, you see that some comedic performers bring that, you know, joyful, that positive sort of foolishness, but you do it so well in so many different ways. And I was just wondering if you had, like, a philosophy around that or if it was just kind of what came naturally to you.
C
I. I think doing what we do, comedy and being an actor is fun.
A
Yeah.
C
And so I, I just have always, like, look, look forward to going to work. Yeah. Not today. But generally you. You go, go. You're hanging with fun people. You're. I don't know.
A
Yeah.
C
But I do think there are certain personalities that. That are. Have the happy gene and some don't.
A
Yeah. Yeah.
B
It is incredibly sweet. I feel very fortunate that I get to work with my friend Beck, who I've known since I was 18 years old.
C
That's huge.
B
And I feel like watching you and Steve, it is. It feels. I'd be. I. That's like a.
A
That's a goal.
B
But I've seen you guys.
C
I think that especially in. As opposed to working in one job for 40 years and then retiring, if you're in an actor, you work in so many different jobs and you can be in Yugoslavia with someone for three months making a movie, and everyone knows each other and everyone's gossips about each other and they're close and. And then the film ends and you never ever see them again.
B
Right.
C
But with certain people through the years, I would make a mental note and say, no, I don't want to lose that guy.
A
Yeah.
B
Yeah.
C
And I think Steve and I definitely did that.
A
Yeah. And it was only. It was 2015 was the first. First time you guys started performing together live.
C
No, it was really probably even earlier than that where we dabbled. I think we were asked to close the Just for Last Comedy Festival in Chicago in 2011. So it had been. And we. To interview each other. And it went really well. And we said, oh, let's do that again. And then we would take a break. I think I did Maya and Marty for a while. Oh, right. But then we united our two shows. Cause we had individual shows and. And kept working on it.
B
Yeah, Marty, I got it. I gotta tell you something. Do you know that this guy did the voice for. He was. He was. He introduced Maya and Marty.
C
Is that true?
A
I was the. I. I was the voice of the intro. Yeah.
C
Then why take this out?
A
Let me. Close your eyes. It's Maya and Marty.
C
See, that's. Now I heard it. I heard it. And I used to think, yeah, what is. Why a voice so big like Maya
A
and that's what you heard. That's how it came across in your ears.
C
Then I used to think. And everyone said, oh, you can't say that. But I used to think, why not get a fella do it, you know? Yeah, but I thought you were an angry lady.
A
Thank you so much. That is honestly how a lot of people would describe me, I think.
C
Yeah.
A
Angry lady. Angry lady. You're a. You're you. You bring joy. And I bring just angry lady to my work.
C
No, no, no. I did not know you were over to.
A
Yeah, it's okay. It's okay. You know, it wasn't publicized.
C
Preoccupied.
B
He didn't come here like. And Beck. He did the voice.
A
I can't wait to thank him and congratulate him on the we need so
C
delayed in this, you know, it's the
A
first voice you hear on that show. It really is important.
B
What else did you say besides Maya and Marty?
C
Did you introduce.
A
I think I would probably say the guest that week.
B
Okay.
A
Yeah.
B
And you did that in LA while they were. You. Would you do that in LA or New York?
C
We're in New York.
A
I think I did it. I think I was in New York.
C
30 buck.
A
Yeah, I was popping.
B
Yes, I remember that from back in the day. I did nine seasons at SNL there.
A
Yes, Did.
C
Did you know that nine seasons in. On that.
A
He did nine seasons on Saturday Night Live.
B
Sketches. Yeah, I did all the sketches playing mostly weird guy or person with no line.
A
Yeah. Do you remember that?
C
So you weren't a big guy into stretching.
B
Kyle wasn't very like a stretching character.
C
Now, I loved you in that show, you know that.
B
No, come on.
C
You were a legend on that show. Nine years. I did it one.
B
I know. Yeah. The iconic, Synchronized Ebersol. Is he still the producer?
C
Ebersol? Dick Ebersole.
B
Me and my friends call him Ebersol.
A
Yeah. Yeah. You and your specific friends.
B
Yeah, they're not dumb, they're just interesting.
A
Just going back to you and Steve and your. The. The dynamic that you guys have together, you know, the lovingly putting each other down. And I like, part of me, you coming in here makes it like, brings that out of me. And I was like, don't do that. Don't do that, Tim. And I was wondering, do other people try to do that and joke with you like that way and it falls flat and you kind of go like, you know, it's not really.
C
Yeah, they wouldn't dare.
A
They wouldn't dare. Yes, of course. No, I wouldn't. No, no, no, no, no. I didn't try to try anything.
C
No, no. I mean, secret of that is you can never go to the truthful things.
A
Right.
C
You know, Right. You could. You can. You can do. Joke with someone, but if they have a big pot belly, you don't say. And look at your stomach. Right, that.
A
No, of course.
C
Because everyone else is aware of their stomach.
A
Yes.
B
Are you and Steve roasting each other off camera, off stage?
A
We do.
C
We do. We. We will do jokes like that. This. And, you know, that was. I grew up in an Irish Catholic family and everyone insulted each other.
A
Yeah.
C
You know, I have tapes from Christmas of, you know, when I'm 16, my father getting a gift from my brother. Oh, look at this. Lovely gift from Michael. I wonder what he'd give me if he had money. You know.
A
Right.
C
And so I would naturally insult people.
A
Yeah.
C
Comedically.
A
Comedically.
C
And. And then they would find it funny. And then they would take up the response.
A
Yeah, yeah.
C
But no. And people don't go up and say, hey, Marty, you sick son of you. Yeah. And I'm just saying. I'm just trying to get my car.
A
I actually have two more quick questions. We asked Jiminy Glick for advice. As podcasters, as hosts of a show, do you. And it's okay if you don't. But as one part of a comedy duo.
C
Sure.
A
Do you. And the longevity and having a positive relationship and staying friends and also bringing the joy of performing and making great stuff together. Do you have any advice for me and Kyle?
C
Well, we covered bathing.
A
Yeah. Bathing separately or together? All right.
C
Together.
A
Oh, that's.
C
Oh, yeah.
A
Okay. So you and I. And we don't have to be fully.
C
Well, you just make sure he's using the right soap.
A
Yes.
C
We start there.
A
And I am going to send you some soap, my man.
C
Yeah.
A
Yes.
C
Now you're doing fabulously. It's all loose in this. Secret to life is at it.
A
Yes.
B
Right.
A
Fantastic. And then my last thing, I. I've heard a lot about your house in Muskoka.
C
Yes.
A
I grew up on Lake Michigan, and
C
so, you know, this. This feeling.
A
Yes. And my wife is from Michigan as well. And, you know, we. We go to Michigan. I. I'm actually from north suburbs of Chicago, but grew up on Lake Michigan. And. And we miss that so much. And we're like, now at this point, you know, our son is 4, and we go back to Michigan. She still has family there, and we spend time there on the lake. And we're like, we want to get, you know, work towards getting a place there. And you should. Okay, great.
C
Because it divides your life up, you know, this cottage that we have, you know, when the kids were little, I wouldn't. It didn't matter what I was being offered. I would not work in the summer. So I would be there, you know, from end of June until day before Labor Day.
A
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
C
And it's a kind of thing. You really don't know. Is it Wednesday? Is it Tuesday?
A
Is it the best just being on the lake? Yeah.
B
After Godspell, you did some acting work. I think you mentioned the show you did in the late Jim Brooks show.
C
Yeah, yeah.
B
But that you were slow to. Once your former castmates and other folks started joining the Second City, you didn't join immediately because you were focused on acting. This is what it says.
C
Right. That's true. And also I was afraid of it. I was used to being the funny guy at the party, but now this idea that you had to be funny on demand and improv sketches, and I thought, no, I'm Brando, or wait a second, I'm Sinatra. Wait a second, I'm Steve McQueen. And so I was going that route. And then at a certain point, they're starting sctv and I'm looking at it. It's just in its early stages just now, and it's just hilarious. And I'm doing what's a nice country like you doing in a state like a cabaret? And I thought, something hasn't worked. I've made some. My fear has kept me out of something that I shouldn't have been fearful about.
A
Interesting.
B
And we're so thankful that you joined. But that cabaret sounded pretty good.
C
Oh, it was good.
A
It was really good.
C
I'm Haldeman. I'm Erlichman. I'm Klein. The three sour Krauts from the Rhine. It was all about the Watergate.
A
Damn.
C
Wow.
A
Still got it. Still got it, baby.
C
Yeah.
A
We're so grateful. Every. Every choice you've made and everything you've done. Every single choice.
B
The premise of our podcast, it's. It's. It's. It's called what's our Podcast? Because Beck and I don't know what our podcast should be about.
C
No, I can. I can tell. I can tell.
A
So we're doing it. So that's a compliment. We're doing it right.
B
We're right.
C
If you say something, I'm looking through this. This glass wall with all your producers, and they're all nodding yes, taking notes. Yes.
B
No. They're upset with us.
A
Yeah. Yeah. It's a good feeling to have, you know, cultivate that.
B
I think it's a good feeling, but we don't know what our podcast should be about. Do you have an idea of what you think our podcast should be about?
C
Well, we've been talking for a bit.
A
Yeah.
C
You know, I know you both from me doing an SNL and hosting and stuff, but having spent this last hour, I think it's got to be about self loathing, I guess. Right?
A
Okay, great.
C
Love it. Yeah.
B
All right. We're gonna be right back.
A
We're gonna go into another studio.
B
We're gonna try our podcast self loathing episode. Back Bennett. Yay.
A
Come in. What's up?
B
We're back.
A
Blue bat. Did you say blue?
B
Like, no, but that would be fun. Really cool thing to say to people. Blur back.
A
Blur Back. Yeah, amazing. Maybe try it out for all the listeners out there. Try Blur back whenever you want. It's just a little idea I had.
B
I don't like myself.
A
Yeah, me neither. All that, that I just said, I just wish. It like makes me so uncomfortable. Why did I say that? I like, I'm like, that was stupid.
B
Yeah, I know. I think that I don't have a lot going on for me and everything that seems that it's going well is just a projection and it's fake.
A
It's why.
B
Yeah.
A
It's why we're here.
C
Yep.
A
It's why we have work. We have so much time. We don't have anything else going on
B
because we don't like ourselves.
A
So welcome to self loathing with Beck and Kyle. Self loathing, that's what it's all about. Self loathing. That's what we're talk about with Beck and Kyle.
B
Yeah, Beck, I've got something to say immediately.
A
Oh, we have somebody. That's amazing.
B
I've got one of my new loaves.
A
Okay. Are you ready for a new Lord, a new load?
B
Having to perform the theme song in front of Martin.
A
Sh. Yes, absolutely. If, if, if there hasn't been anything that's made me hate myself or not feel good enough, it was that. Speaking of Martin Short, he's our guest today on self loathing.
C
Oh, hi.
A
Thank you so much. Yes. Wow. Getting some.
C
Thanks for. Remember.
A
Yes. Now, are you. You know, you're on the show. I don't know if you're like us. Have you ever done anything that made you go like, oh, why did I do that? I'm not good enough. I, I don't. Why. What was that? What, what am I. You know, I'm feeling that way right now. Just asking you the question. But this is what, for me. Yeah, I know. It's.
C
It's regrets. Yeah. Not like one time, my mother in law had turned 89, I didn't know what to get her, so I took a thing of toilet paper and I shoved it and blocked her toilet so it would block up. And so the next time she made a duty, it would go all over on the floor. And then about two years, you know, she passed in 2008. And then around like, like four months ago, I thought I shouldn't have done that.
A
Yeah.
B
Yeah.
C
That was weird.
A
And it took so. It took how many two years after you did that? It took that long for you to think maybe I shouldn't have done that?
C
14 years.
A
14 years.
C
Yeah.
B
And what was it? What was Going through your mind when you did?
C
I just knew because she was old,
A
I just knew that.
C
That she'd, like, get all freaked out and then she'd have to bend down as the water came all over the bathroom floor. And what if, like, a little. Little duty. Floated?
A
Yes. That is funny.
C
Made me laugh because she's so arthritic.
B
Yeah.
A
You know, right, that. No, that sounds like a perfect recipe for comedy and fun time.
C
All of a sudden, one day, I was passing a church a couple of months ago, and I thought that was wrong.
B
Yeah.
C
So it was a regret, not self love. I'm still kind of proud of it because it was like, spur of the moment and I like to improvise, but. But regret.
A
Yeah.
B
I have a lot of those moments.
C
No.
B
Yes.
A
You would be surprised
B
when you say it like that. It seems like, oh, obviously.
C
It's like a farmer saying, I had an egg this morning. I mean, certain things, you know, a
B
famu had an egg.
C
I do, I do.
B
I do have a lot of those moments where, like, I'm walking down the street and I'll just be like, oh, no, I can't believe I did that.
A
Yeah.
B
Often in my 20s. It was because it was like a. I partied the night before and I said something and what.
C
What was. Were you, like, drinking or doing lewds?
B
Lewds? I. I don't know that I. I don't know how to get lewds. I don't know that you were. You're able to get them after, like, 1980?
A
I think they discontinued the lewds.
C
Why?
A
I don't know. I. Because I think. I don't.
C
People used to love them. I never did one, but I used to be known as a Liquid Quaalude.
A
Right.
C
But in Canada, we call it a kilt lifter.
A
Oh, a kilt lifter.
C
Yeah.
B
And that's what it would do. You would just. You'd feel wild. You saw people on lewd, so.
A
And you. And have you done a loot?
C
I've never done a loot.
B
Okay, okay. All right.
C
All right.
B
Drinking at a house party. Maybe I. Maybe I. Like, maybe I went too far with a bit. Maybe.
C
Maybe.
A
Yeah, definitely. The answer is definitely. Yeah. That maybe was kind of like the.
C
No, I mean, I've seen you're real.
A
You've seen it real.
C
You know, this agency I was passing, it was a big dumpster and they were cleaning stuff out, and I looked in there and said, oh, my God, Kyle Mooney.
A
Because that makes sense.
B
Passing an agency. They had a dumpster.
C
Yeah. They're purging. They were purging.
B
You saw that? My name was on a DVD in a big thing.
C
It was right near an old tuna sandwich.
B
And you decided, I gotta grab that and watch it.
C
Yeah.
A
Yeah. Cause you watched it. Yeah. I mean, and so let's be honest. You go to major agencies and look around in the trash and. Is that something you feel good about?
C
I don't feel good about it, so. Okay. But it is a good idea, like
A
it is to go to WNBA and be like, what are they throwing out? One man's trash is another man's treasure.
C
No, that is he. Boy, you don't get me.
A
Oh.
C
My saying is, what did. Why did I take Kyle's thing? I love to see Rejected Failure.
B
Yeah.
C
I like to see where an ad agency went, oh, I can't even have it here. And they throw it at the window, lands in a dumpster. Yeah. That's the kind of thing I want to celebrate.
A
Yeah.
C
Yeah.
B
I think those are actually my nightmares. Go ahead, Kyle.
A
I feel like you. You're.
C
You're.
A
You do the same thing. You kind of like to see. You like to see rejected failures? Kind of. A little bit, to be honest.
C
Rejected Failure was the name of your book, which I loved, by the way.
A
Yes. It wrote itself. You didn't even know people wrote it.
C
Well, very pe. Few people do. An autobiography that's also a popup.
A
Yeah.
B
Well, that kind of helps, sort of.
C
Instead of saying, I grew up in a house, there was a house.
B
I thought it was a good idea.
A
Yeah. You had to fill the pages with something.
C
Yeah.
A
No, that's great.
C
It wasn't going to be memories.
A
No, no, no, no. But, you know, you've lived.
B
Not like me.
C
It's called self loathing.
A
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We. We're just picking up on the feelings that you're having towards yourself. But look, let me.
B
Let me be honest.
A
I hate myself, too. And, you know, it's okay. There's just a little bit of a freedom in that, don't you?
B
Well, we.
A
Yeah, I make bad choices.
B
I feel like Beck and I as. As good friends who've known each other for a long time.
C
And let's just level with people. Former lovers.
A
Yep. Absolutely.
C
It's okay.
B
You're not supposed to get into that stuff.
C
Oh, my God.
A
We. We actually weren't going to get into that.
C
Well, then cut it out. Don't get angry. Just cut it out.
B
I don't need to talk about that.
A
You're like. You're. Don't you look like you're about to hit him or something.
B
I would not hit.
C
Oh, you look like you were gonna hit me.
B
One of my heroes. I would never hit you.
C
Yeah, but you just.
A
You had this flash.
C
Yeah, just because I bring up the
B
whole Marty dude, lover thing. I have love. No, no, no. And like, you brought it up. It's all good. I would never hurt you. I think you're amazing. I thought. Fucking. By the way, you. Steve, Chevy. The three Ned Needle.
A
Ned needle.
C
End.
B
Incredible shit.
C
Yeah. By the way, we say incredible poo. We don't say. Yes. I thought.
A
I thought that was incredible poo. See, I said this. I. I'm trying to be nice. I thought that was incredible poo that you guys made.
C
I'll tell you an incredible poo. Back to my mother.
A
That sounds like one incredible poo. That sounds amazing.
C
One incredible poo.
B
I would never hurt you. Thank you. And thank.
A
And you're the name of my memory.
B
We should reveal the secrets of Beck and I. But what I was. And we have hooked and we will talk more. That is another episode, by the way.
A
By the way.
C
Just like, long drive, casual hand stuff is not anything to be ashamed of.
A
Yes. That's what I've always said. Long drive, casual hand stuff is nothing to be.
C
It's a new way of shaking hands.
A
Yeah. It's just kind of, you know, it just kind of comes naturally. You can take care of as many friends as you need to.
B
I don't think you need to be a shit. Ashamed of.
C
Suddenly a carpool has a whole new exciting element.
A
Yes. Yes. We're actually a carpool. You're swimming in something. Yeah.
C
Oh, okay. See, there's a lady here.
A
Oh, she loves this stuff. No, no.
B
But I was gonna say, though.
C
Yeah.
A
Yeah. What were you gonna say when I do?
B
Grab your penis.
A
No. And tug it around.
B
What I was going to say was I feel like I can tell when you're loathing and I feel like maybe you could tell when I'm loathing. And I think we're good about trying to support each other and get us back to a level playing field where we can go through the things we need to do, we can put on our show. Is that accurate? Do you feel like I'm there for you?
A
I think you couldn't be further from the truth than that. I think that you are. You have no sense of reality and. Yeah, no, I. I don't connect with you really. At all. No, I. I do know. In reality. Yes.
C
Oh, my God, you people in comedy, it's so hard to know whether you're really or being sincere.
B
Right.
C
And I'm sitting here, head a spinning.
B
I.
A
My head is spinning too.
B
Head us spinning.
A
Yeah. But Kyle has actually taken me on a walk. A couple months ago, I was not feeling good. Kyle took me on a walk. In reality, he took me on a walk.
B
How do you. How do you get out of a
A
self love and in reality.
C
Oh, and you say I take this with juice
B
pills.
A
Nice. Yeah.
B
Okay.
C
Crush them up.
A
Crush them up and snort them.
C
All different that way. Okay.
B
That's up your butt.
C
That's right.
A
For the podcast we have the mouth, the nose and the butt. You can take your self loathing any way. Way. Any way you need to. Yeah.
B
I'm trying to think of the last time I self loathed.
A
Oh, I can think of one. Oh, big time.
B
Well, okay.
C
Yeah, but here's the thing though. Self loathing or just feeling depressed about things is. It can sweep into each other and that's not accurate. Like if you. Let's say you haven't worked for a while and you're worried about working again, that can become self loathing. But it shouldn't be. It's just because no one wants to hire you.
B
Right.
A
Yeah. Now what? Now what? Then what is a specific self loathing?
B
I was wondering why people, like why I wasn't like really getting the phone.
A
Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, yeah. Because they don't want to work. Yeah. Okay.
C
They know that it's their loathing.
B
Okay. So they've got. So people. So there's an industry wide thing where people have issues with me.
C
Not with you, but Yeah, I guess
A
like, but just like who you are.
C
Okay.
B
So performance, it's kind of how I. It's my personality.
A
Oh, yeah. It's all aspects.
B
Yeah.
A
Because people know you're there.
B
The stuff I can control.
A
Right.
B
Okay.
C
As we covered earlier, it starts with the hygiene, but it builds.
B
Right?
A
Yeah. No self loathing, though, is. Is it a general thing or. There are. There are moments of self love, self loathing.
B
Well, that's it. I'm interested what you're saying about, like, where does. Where's the line between depression and self loathing? What is the intersection? What is the. Where do they sort of differ?
A
I think, I think that. But self loathing kind of feels. It feels to me, it feels moment to moment. Like you do something.
C
Oh, it would be based on if you drank too much at a party and got too loud and the next morning you have self loathing. But it's also A hangover.
A
Right. Or like, what if you send a message to somebody? Right? Like I send a DM to somebody and I'm thinking like, I'm kind of like putting myself out there. And they reply like, they reject me. And I go, I go, how do they reject you? They said, no, thank you.
B
And then I.
A
They offered something. I reply. It took me a couple weeks to reply. And I was like, you know, I was, you know, I was flattered. Sorry it took me so long. I think it's my adhd. Do you buy that? Like, we could talk about it at coffee because they had talked about getting coffee and it was like sort of a self loathing almost response. It was like a little bit actually happened. Yes. It's something that actually happened.
B
Sent a long text. Self loathing.
A
Yeah. It was like, yes, I would love to do that. And they were like, no, thank you.
C
We mean, now they'd taken away the offer.
A
Yeah.
C
Well, then what? You should have responded. You don't get. Go to self loathing, say, look, boring idiot. Here's the reality. You say, no, thank you. I would rather be kidnapped to ever have done your show.
A
Yes. You know, that's what, that's what my friends said. Yeah, that's. They were like, what are you talking about? You didn't do anything wrong here. But I was immediately like, I was. I overstepped. This is a real thing that happened.
C
Okay.
A
And they're very nice.
C
Does he run snl?
A
It was Lauren. It was Lauren.
B
You know, I'd love to get some coffee sometimes. Whatever town. Oh, yeah, yeah.
A
And I gave my schedule and he was like, no, that's something we say.
C
It's not something, you know, that everyone does at Lauren. He became the new Ed Sullivan, you know.
A
Yeah.
C
But Fred Armisen does a specific Lauren, where Lauren will greet me and Fred does it like, Martin,
A
Martin.
B
Is it possible this person was doing a bit when they said, no, thank you?
A
I think they were.
B
I think they were too.
C
I think they were.
A
I think they were. But it scared me because this is.
C
Don't you also think it's weird that no one just picks up the phone and says, hey, what's that about?
A
I can't stand it. I love the phone. I'm a phone person. I think everything's lost. Any nuance is lost in text. That's why I do a lot of voice texting. Do you ever do that?
C
I do it all. Well, I. I do voice. No, No, I don't send the voice. Yes. I don't. I'll Dictate. But yeah. And I'll also do voice texting.
A
Yeah. I think that people have now taken on FaceTiming as a substitute for phone calls.
C
Yes, people are more. True.
A
It's a more connection, but especially during
C
COVID But I would say that it is confusing and people are afraid. I remember a friend of mine said, I'm not texting. And this is like 15 years ago. I'm not texting anymore because my cap thing is broken. So it's always now in caps and everyone thinks I'm mad at them.
A
Oh, right.
C
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, just. Oh, hi.
A
Yeah, yeah.
B
Have you not responded to this person?
A
No, I have. I think we're back on track. But it for. There was a couple weeks where I was like, why did I do that?
C
Was that person ever, let's guess, the President of the United States?
A
Yeah. Yes. No. No. Not the Obama.
B
Did this person play Deuce Bigelow?
A
I don't think you're gonna get the person, but I do think. I think.
C
Did this person play Mango?
A
It was Mango. Who played Mango.
B
Man, sometimes I just want to do my Jiminy Glick to you.
C
Let's hear it.
B
Okay. What I really love is and I might be loathing myself after I do this, and I'm sure Beck does it better than me, but I love how you play with pitch, how you can go. You go really high. That was already bad. But then you go down here and
C
it's very low and sometimes it gets very soft.
A
And sometimes it gets very soft.
C
But I like when sometimes I would do it and then I. Did that make you feel angry? Say what?
B
That's too quiet. It makes you quieter.
A
Yeah, let's. Let's see. This. This would be self loathing, but let's see if I can. So when you got in your car to come here. No, that's 20 to come here today. I was, I was. I thought he must have nothing going on. Do you have nothing going on? Well, what's a day like for you see now? So now I feel like.
C
Now try Glick quickly.
A
What's that?
C
Try Glick.
B
He's
A
you now.
B
Somebody who we've established, as we've said, you've admitted that you're a happy person.
C
Yes.
B
How much do you self loathe?
C
What's kept me out of the big money is on no level do I self loathe.
B
That's awesome.
C
Zero.
A
That's incredible.
B
That is incredible.
C
I don't know why. I'm not saying it's good. I'm just Saying it's a fact.
B
Interesting.
A
And that's kept you, you said that's kept you out of the big money.
C
Right.
A
What do you, what do you mean by that?
C
I think that if you're more, you know, you know, Woody Allen is a genius. He's. His gimmick is, you know, I'm, I don't know, like me.
A
You're always trying to prove yourself. You're always trying to earn that.
C
I'm just kind of going, boy, I'm good. What do you mean? No one agrees? That's where I go.
A
That's. I mean everybody agrees.
B
We all agree.
A
We all agree. But I mean that it is really is fantastic. I also feel like that is what I want. Take really good care of yourself.
C
Yeah, I would say that's true.
A
Yeah, I think that's, I think that's a big part of it. You know, even speaking to like when you're in your 20s, self loathing, like if you're putting, if you're not taking care of your body, if you're drinking, say, you know, that is a depressant that will help you self.
C
Yeah. But you know, that's a perfect example. Drinking is also. There's always a ying for a yang. Any drug or it, it causes depression and people wake up and they feel awful.
A
Yeah. You know, it's like it works.
C
Sinatra used to say, I feel sorry for people who don't drink.
B
Yeah.
C
Because when they wake up up, that's as good as they're gonna feel all day.
A
Right?
C
Yeah. Well, Frank stole.
B
Do you. Oh, sorry. I feel like maybe make an obvious statement here though. Our industry is one where self loathing fits because like, like you, I feel like you were getting at this earlier. Like there is rejection. Right. And it's easy to beat yourself up and say that, oh, these things that I think are wrong with me maybe are wrong with me and are the reasons why I'm not succeeding.
C
It is all about esteem. But you can get esteem if you just put all your esteem from one source, like career. Then if it's not going well, you have. You're just sitting in a room with a bag over your head frightened until the phone rings.
A
And yeah, I don't think I was able to really do that until I reached some level of success because I was so driven, you know, to be like, like, you know, you're, it's like you're not going to succeed. The chances are it's not going to work and you're.
C
By the way, those are the chances.
A
Right? Right. It doesn't. And then you reach a little bit of breathing room and you kind of go like, oh, what are the other areas? That's kind of when it hit me. I need to balance this out because it does take so much energy to even make it happen in the first place.
C
And then it's, you know, show business is, you know, talent. Of course, everyone has talent, but it's endurance and it's lucky.
A
Yeah.
C
You know, I mean, Friends is like a perfect sitcom, but it also was a pilot that maybe. What if it hadn't been picked up? Right. You know, would those, all those actors be inevitable?
B
Is there was, was there like a sort of, I want to say, missing connection of your career where it's like, oh, that if that thing that would have been sort of special if that thing had gone, or like, that didn't happen?
C
Not really. I mean, there were a few things that I had passed on that became massive hits. I was asked to be in Dumb and Dumber, but when I finally saw it, I thought, no, Jeff, Daniel's way better for that role than me. You know, that kind of thing.
A
Yeah, Everything that's meant to happen happens. Yeah. There's so many great things.
B
I think that, like, what's so inspiring about your career is that you're still as awesome as you were. Like, watching you growing up.
C
Oh, that's very nice. Thank you. I feel badly for all the horrible, horrible things that Beck and I have said about you.
A
Yeah, Yeah.
B
I really, I feel like.
C
Well, it wasn't just me, actually. That was when I parked in the car. The guy said, be sure to.
B
Yeah, they've been talking.
A
Yeah, yeah, everybody talked. You know, we just, we, we were
C
nice enough to say, just accumulate what other people have said and bring it up.
A
We thought.
B
You know, like a mouthpiece for, for the world at large.
A
Yes, exactly.
C
That's all it is.
B
No, no, no, I, I, I like it because, you know what? It's built. I'm building an armor that I think will help defeat the self loathing that I sometimes experience.
A
It's amazing that you think that. Yeah, that's amazing.
C
It's amazing that you think you could ever develop that kind of armor. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, well, you know, I mean. Sorry. In Russia, they speak Russian. I mean, there's certain realities. Yeah, that's an old expression from my mother in law who I put the toilet.
A
Oh, that was your mother in law.
B
Well, right, the toilet paper thing.
C
We'll never forget the toilet paper paper.
A
Well, you know, is there anything else you want to cover here on self loathing this week.
B
No, I, I really think it's. I mean it's like sort of unsurprising that Marty over here just doesn't self loathe. And he's never nervous.
A
And he's never nervous.
C
That's right. I was never, you know, it took a couple of years. Like my. Certainly when I was 22, I was a little nervous. But. But by 24 and a half it was pretty new.
B
And he came in and the specimen,
A
he came in and saw these 41 year olds and he was like, self loathing, I think is the thing that you guys have to work with.
C
Oh, it came right.
A
It came popped right. It's just like flooded the room.
C
The parking guy suggested it, but I
A
thought, good, that's good.
C
You know them better than me.
A
I mean, it's great to. And so that's, that's helpful. It's great to know who you are self love.
B
And I'm glad to get the reminder. And that is a helpful thing to think about. It is these other aspects of your life that are incredibly important, especially if
C
you're in show business.
A
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
C
Because it won't always give you happiness.
A
Yeah, that's true.
B
Yeah. Some would say you never really truly get happiness from. From something like as superficial as appearing in a big movie.
C
Could make you feel pretty happy.
B
See, I feel like now I'm sort of taking on Jiminy.
A
Well, you guys, I think that's self loathing. That's the episode.
C
Oh my God.
A
And we're gonna go. We're actually gonna. Which is gonna make us self loathe later. We're gonna actually go back.
B
We got one more little recap with
A
you and talk to you for two more minutes just to wrap up.
C
Listen, who needs to be home by dinner?
A
Exactly. That's what we want.
B
It's always interesting with my friend Beck and it's even more interesting with Martin Short.
A
Yeah, it's even more interesting when we're all together. So thank you guys for self loathing with. I got it. Thank you for self. Thank you for self loathing with us.
C
There's a guy who should never get hired for anything.
A
Absolutely.
C
If he feels that's the way to end.
B
There would not be enough questions or enough time to spend with the remarkable Martin Short. Incredible gift you gave us by giving us self loathing.
A
Yes. That was, that was a lot of fun.
B
And I think you pitched it to the two right people who experience it often.
A
Yeah, absolutely. And it's. Yeah, we're gonna explore that moving forward. It could become our podcast.
C
Meanwhile, I have none and I'm never nervous. Yeah.
B
What do you got to promote? Anything?
C
Nothing.
A
Nothing.
C
Nothing. Actually, nothing.
A
Okay. No shows. No shows coming up. No live.
C
Oh, we do have live shows. You sold out now? We're going to England this summer for another season of only murders.
A
Okay.
C
And that's it.
A
Do you think you're gonna do any live. Do you have time to.
C
Oh, no, Steve and I have lots of live shows between now and then. I just don't know where they are.
A
Yes, that's fair. How do we get on the list
B
or how does that sort of thing work out?
C
What? To get tickets?
A
Oh, yeah, yeah. To get tickets. Yeah.
C
The way for comps for show. But no, you would have to buy them and I could send you in the right direction.
A
Oh, that would be great. Like a website or something like that.
C
They're not inexpensive. Okay. Yeah. And they wouldn't be that close.
B
The shows or the seats?
C
The seats.
B
Okay.
C
But the lobby has a screen.
B
Okay.
C
And then you can see what's going on.
B
It would be really. It would be really awesome.
A
That would be amazing. We could go hang out in the lobby, eat some snacks or something and just watch these guys just do their thing.
C
That's okay. Okay. It's okay. By the way. It's okay, cuz I love.
A
Hey, that's so nice to hear for us.
C
I loved you guys on
A
the show.
B
What's our podcast?
C
Snl. No, snl.
A
Snl. Yeah. Saturday Night Live.
C
Like you did two years or something.
A
Yeah. At least. I mean, I did eight and he did nine, so we. And we did do two, but we also did. I did an additional six and he did an additional seven.
C
Yeah, I'm no big math guy, but no adds up.
A
Yeah. You've seen two years worth of research.
B
Two years of material, probably.
A
That makes sense.
B
Such a pleasure. Thank you.
C
Thank you, guys. My pleasure.
A
Thank you for making the time. This was awesome.
C
Adore you both.
A
Adore you.
B
Adore you.
A
Adore you.
C
Adore me.
A
Adore you.
B
What's Our podcast is a Headgun podcast created and hosted by Beck Bennett and Kyle Mooney.
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The show is produced and engineered by Richelle Chen and Anya Kanovskaya with production support from Ali Khan and Ryan Ludwig.
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Our executive producer is Anya Kanefskaya. Katie Moose is our VP of content at Headgum. Our theme music is made by us.
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For more podcasts by headgum, visit headcum.com or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.
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Hi, I am Mandy Moore.
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Sterling K. Brown. And I'm Chris Sullivan, and we host the podcast that Was Us now on Headgum.
B
Each episode, we're gonna go into a deep dive from our show. This is Us.
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That's right.
B
We're gonna go episode by episode. We're also gonna pepper in episodes with different guest stars and casting directors.
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Are we going to cry? Yes, a little bit. Are we going to laugh a lot?
C
A whole lot.
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That's what I'm hoping, man. Listen to. That was us on your favorite podcast app. Or watch full video episodes on YouTube or Spotify.
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New episodes every Tuesday.
What's Our Podcast? with Beck Bennett and Kyle Mooney – Martin Short (April 15, 2026)
In this episode of "What's Our Podcast?", Beck Bennett and Kyle Mooney are joined by comedy legend Martin Short. As with every week, the hosts begin by reminding listeners they don’t know exactly what their show should be about—and hope their guest can steer them in the right direction. The conversation meanders with trademark Bennett and Mooney improvisational weirdness, landing on personal stories about anxiety, nightmares, self-loathing, friendship, Martin Short’s career, and the art of comedy itself. Ultimately, the theme evolves—at Martin’s suggestion—into a playful and soul-baring exploration of "self-loathing."
Notable Quote:
"Martin Short is coming by today. I assume you grew up with his work as well, being influenced by it." —Beck Bennett [09:48]
Notable Quote:
"I really. I wanted to travel an hour and a half from the Palisades just for the excitement of being unable to get out of my car after I parked." —Martin Short [35:54]
Notable Quotes:
"Ensemble's more fun. Because it's always the hang… who’s gonna make you laugh onstage? Or who wants to go to dinner afterward?" —Martin Short [40:26]
Notable Quote:
"It is hard to believe that I still am running around on stage in a nude suit." —Martin Short [45:23]
Notable Quotes:
"Ed Grimley was supposed to be a guy, 30 years old, who’s that excited about every aspect [of life]." —Martin Short [47:32]
"I never became terribly aware of anything about that [iconic status]. I was always just, oh, I have this new... Oh, now I’m doing an animated cartoon show. Oh my God, we’re doomed." —Martin Short [48:18]
Notable Quotes:
"Self-loathing… that’s what it’s all about. Self loathing, that’s what we talk about with Beck and Kyle." —Beck Bennett [69:53]
"What kept me out of the big money is, on no level do I self-loathe." —Martin Short [85:20]
"Our industry is one where self-loathing fits because… there is rejection. It’s easy to beat yourself up." —Kyle Mooney [86:37]
Notable Quotes:
"Secret to life is… at it. It’s all looseness." —Martin Short [65:27]
"There are certain people through the years, I would make a mental note and say, no, I don’t want to lose that guy. And I think Steve and I definitely did that." —Martin Short [59:59]
Notable Quote:
"It is all about esteem. But if you put all your esteem from one source, like career—if it’s not going well—you’re just sitting in a room with a bag over your head frightened until the phone rings." —Martin Short [87:04]
Martin Short on Enduring Joy:
"I think doing what we do—comedy and being an actor—is fun. So I just have always looked forward to going to work. Not today. But generally." —Martin Short [58:47] (dry comedic delivery)
Martin on Ed Grimley’s Influence:
"Distance does help…years later I can look back and go, ‘oh, that was alright.’" —Martin Short [52:16]
Meta-Advisory from Jiminy Glick:
"Just because you ask a question doesn’t mean you need an answer." —Martin Short as Jiminy Glick [55:02]
Kyle and Beck’s Satirical Despair:
"I don’t like myself." —Beck Bennett [69:25]
"Me neither…everything that seems that it’s going well is just a projection and it’s fake." —Kyle Mooney [69:37]
Martin’s (Fake) Regret:
"One time my mother-in-law had turned 89, I didn’t know what to get her, so I took a thing of toilet paper and I blocked her toilet…And around like four months ago, I thought, I shouldn’t have done that." —Martin Short [70:56]
On Enduring Success:
"Show business is…everyone has talent, but it’s endurance, and it’s lucky." —Martin Short [87:44]
This episode is a comedic and soul-searching deep dive into creative life, comedy legacy, and the ever-present undercurrent of self-doubt—themes at once universal and uniquely showbiz. Martin Short’s presence not only provides warmth and humility but also reaffirms the joy, elasticity, and “looseness” that sustains performers across decades. The proposed “self-loathing” podcast might be a bit, but in the hands of Beck, Kyle, and Marty, it’s also a window into what it means to make people laugh—and to live out loud.
End of Summary.