C (2:13)

Yeah. I think some people might know her, but not me. Might know me, not her. That kind of thing. So I think we introduce each Other. We kind of interview each other a little bit and let you guys get to know, you know, us as a couple.

A (2:23)

Going to put you in the hot seat, Blake.

C (2:24)

I know. I'm terrified, to be honest.

A (2:26)

I was going to say, does that give you ptsd?

C (2:28)

Yeah, a little bit. I feel like I'm like, the paradise reunion hot seat right now. I'm a little nervous. No, it's going to be fun. It's going to be fun. It's going to be like, you know, you roast me every day anyway, so I'm not too.

A (2:35)

I know. And now I get to do it in public.

C (2:37)

I know.

A (2:38)

Great.

C (2:38)

Yay. For those of you that don't know, I was on Becca Kufrin's season of the Bachelorette, and I was also on season six of Bachelor in Paradise. Have you watched my seasonal Bachelor Bachelorette? Yeah.

A (2:50)

So I've definitely googled you.

C (2:53)

You've googled me? That's even worse.

A (2:55)

Yeah. Because it's just like, the highlights of you either A, getting your heart broken or B, getting completely, like, dragged on the beach in paradise, but it just got it just let me to get to know who you are and why people are telling me certain things in your comments. Why did we. Yeah, I'm like, why does everyone talk about Stagecoach?

C (3:20)

So you haven't watched Bach, Bachelorette or Paradise, obviously.

A (3:24)

Yeah, no. So. But I did see, like, one episode ever, and you were in it, but I didn't remember you. I remembered Jason.

C (3:34)

Jason, yeah.

A (3:34)

With his slicked back hair.

C (3:36)

Yeah. That was, like, the first thing she told me was like, oh, I don't remember you, but I remember your really good friend Jason. I was like, oh, I met him. Exactly. Forgettable. It's fine.

A (3:43)

And now he's like, Heath's uncle.

C (3:44)

Yeah. Yeah. I've actually never asked you this. If I was the Bachelor, would you. Would you try and get on? Would you apply to be on the show? I know I've never asked you that.

A (3:53)

That's a really good question, Blake.

C (3:55)

What do you think? Would you do it?

A (3:56)

So let's say you get to know who the Bachelor is before you apply.

C (4:00)

Just on tv. Just on tv. So let's say from what you knew. So you didn't really know me going in, let's say. Yeah. Let's say you saw me. Let's say you just saw me and you're like, oh, he's kind of cute. Would you have applied for the Bachelor?

A (4:13)

Okay, I don't want to take too long to answer this, but, like, no, no.

C (4:20)

See, I Told you. Put a mic in front of G. We'll see if our relationship gets through this podcast, though.

A (4:24)

I know. Well, I'm just. Okay. I'm saying no because I've dated a white man before, and there was just so many different cultural things that, like, just kind of stood in the way of me, just him understanding me, things like that. So I wasn't veering toward American men after Love is Blind, so as you know, I was literally gonna move to Europe and Barcelona, and then we met, and now I live in Colorado.

C (4:54)

Wow. Okay. All right. So do you think you could just go on the Bachelor? Do you think you would survive?

A (5:00)

No, I would throw hands. I would literally be like, why? I would. I would be like, don't touch him. Don't look at him. Oh, my God, guys, I hate comparing myself to other women. Like, I don't like that environment. It's not for me. I mean, I can see how other people thrive in it. You like a little competition? I like competition too, but just, like, not with my heart, you know? So I think that's why I really liked Love is Blind, and I'm from season one, by the way, so I just got in it and didn't know what to expect, and I ended up falling in love with someone through a wall without ever meeting them. And then we met, and then we had a wedding, and he told me no at the altar, and I said yes. And then I am now known as the Runaway Bride, so. Which I wear that title proudly, by the way. It led me here with you. But no, that's why I really liked Love is Blind is because I had my pick of the letter. They did as well. It was a little less.

C (6:05)

Yeah. Now that I think about it, like, you were great TV on Love is Blind. Don't get me wrong. But, man, Bachelor, I wonder if you would have been the villain. I feel like you might have been probably. Yeah. I think you would have maybe been the villain. Just not like to, like.

A (6:17)

Wait, why?

C (6:18)

Well, I think because. You think. I think the girls. I think you might have butted heads with the girls a little bit when it came to, like. Because you don't like to share.

A (6:25)

I don't like to share.

C (6:26)

No. I know. So that's interesting.

A (6:27)

I don't like to share, my man.

C (6:28)

Yeah, exactly. Well, yeah, nobody does, but kind of do. On the Passion Bachelor, you have to.

A (6:33)

Yeah, it's itchy.

C (6:34)

I really thought about you, and, like, that's kind of. I wonder how I'd be on Love Is Mine because I've never watched. Never watch your episode either again. I've. Or your season. I've also.

A (6:42)

Google me.

C (6:42)

Yes, I've also googled you. I know all of the. Which I think it's a travesty. Let me stop there. I think it's a travesty that your quotes were not in the top five. Top. You're. You have, like, three quotes louder for.

A (6:53)

The people in the back. Yeah.

C (6:55)

That you. I think your quotes are iconic. So obviously I've seen those clips. I've seen the Runaway Ride clip. I've seen all of those. But no, I've never watched your full season of. Of Love is Blind, which I think was a good thing your mom did. My mom and friends, I don't think I've ever told you this. So when I got back from. And we'll talk a little bit about the show that we met on, but when I got back from the show, I mentioned. I was like, yeah, I have a girlfriend. And they're like, what? What do you mean? I was like, yeah, I got a girlfriend from Love is Blind. And they're like, who? I'm like, Jeanne Jabelli. And a few of them were like, huh? It was one of those like. And I don't think it's because of, like, how you portrayed on the show or anything, but they knew me. And I think they were kind of like, I wonder if you two will actually work out.

A (7:40)

Right. Because you've never dated a Latina.

C (7:42)

No.

A (7:43)

Right.

C (7:44)

Little did they know. But yeah. So it's kind of interesting because I don't know. Had I not had I, like, watched your season, Known you because I didn't know you at all before I went down on the beach.

A (7:53)

I think about that sometimes. I'm like, what if I had actually watched Blake with Becca and. But you were such a gentleman. Like, you did come off so high off of your.

C (8:04)

In real life. Geez.

A (8:05)

I was like, what the fuck, man? Like, you just turn on for the cameras. No, he's really cute. He's really sentimental. But, you know when you're, like, courting. When you were courting me. So how have you seen the Bachelor and Bachelorette evolve since you've been on there?

C (8:25)

Honestly, it's such a good question, because on paper, the show has changed enormously. I mean, I was so. I was on the show in 2018, so. Yeah. Yeah. And mine actually aired in 2018 as well. Like, we. And when you think of, like, I don't know if you want to call it the golden age or, like, when you think of the Bachelorette, I still had. Chris Harrison was my host. All the executive producers, all of all the main people from the very beginning were still there. Mike Fleiss was still there, like the. The creator and founder of that. Like, they were all still there. So I was still there with, like, the core, almost, if you'll call it like the core. And that has completely changed. I don't think, like, nobody is there anywhere because Harrison's gone. Mike Fleiss is gone. All the eps are completely gone. They have different showrunners.

A (9:07)

They have.

C (9:07)

On paper is a completely different show, but the formula is still the same. You know what I mean? Like, you're always. It's so iconic. You're always gonna have the rose ceremonies. You know, the one on one dates, the two on one dates. You know, the hot tub in the middle of desert. Like, how did that get there? Like, all of that is still the same. I will say paradise this year had, like, a little competition aspect of the money thing. But if you look at the franchise since I was so. It's been eight years almost. That's crazy.

A (9:37)

Oh, my God. Eight years.

C (9:38)

Eight years since I was gone. That's crazy. But on paper, it's different. But I think the form formula. I don't think the formula is really ever going to change. I don't. We'll see. But I just.

A (9:47)

How do you think it's going to be with Taylor, Frankie Paul as the Bachelorette?

C (9:52)

The formula might change. The formula might change. That is. I haven't really talked about this publicly. Honestly, I haven't. And this is going to make, you know, headlines and clickbait and all that fun stuff. But honestly, I think my feelings towards the Bachelorette and Frankie Paul, I think my frustration is. Well, there's a little bit of frustration with it. I understand why they did it. Like, I get why they did it, right? Like, Bachelor franchise used to be the top of the mountain. They were. They were the mountain. You know what I mean? They were it. And now you got other shows. Love is Blind, Love Island, Perfect Match, all these shows that are honestly doing better, in my opinion, I think they're doing better than the Bachelor franchise. And so they. I do think they need a little switch up. And for those of you out there who've been calling for a switch up for years and now you get it and you're angry. Like, you can't. Like, you wanted the switch up, right? You wanted something to change. They needed to switch something up. They did it. What I think I wish they would have done is I wish they would have just called this, like, celebrity Bachelorette.

A (10:51)

Right?

C (10:51)

You know what I mean? Because to me, for 30 odd seasons, right, it's been 30 seasons between the Bachelor, Bachelorette, paradise, all of those. It's always been about the right reasons. Right. It's just pounded into us as the audience.

A (11:04)

Can you clarify what are the right reasons?

C (11:07)

Well, now I don't know. Now I don't know.

A (11:09)

Used to be, because that was like the holy grail of the Bachelor franchise.

C (11:13)

I think it was just being there for love. Like, if you want to just simplify it, it was being there for love. It wasn't, you know, trying to get influencer, you know, being an influencer, get following, get famous. It wasn't that. So.

A (11:23)

And now they have someone that's an influencer.

C (11:25)

Exactly. They have somebody who was an influencer, you know, who was famous on TikTok for being a swinger. She already has a television show. She's already an influencer. So to me, it's just. It's a bit of a slap in the face to all of the incredible leads, especially Bachelorette leads that we've had in the past, because they had to be perfect. You know what I mean? They had to be there for the right reasons. And I'm not saying Taylor necessarily isn't looking for love, because I do think she is. I do. But I think that's where my frustration. I wish they would have just called it celebrity Bachelorette because now where do they go from there? You know, do they just continue with celebrities from here on out? It's going to be. It's going to be a very interesting, interesting season.

A (12:02)

I can only imagine how it would look like to go back. I don't. I mean, unless. Unless there's a huge standout, beautiful man. And with Taylor, Frankie, Paul, she might not have the right picker based off of, you know, the past and the history. So she might have to, you know, she might leave someone. That's like a gem standing there and people are rooting for him.

C (12:26)

Oh, I see what you're saying.

A (12:27)

And I feel like that's how they would.

C (12:28)

And I think that's the formula they're looking for. They're looking to get an audience back. Right. They're looking to get and some excitement back in the franchise. And then I think they're hoping that somebody falls in love with the F2 or F3, the loser, you know, second, third place. And then they just pick up right where they left off, and they just keep that audience And I think it happened with the Golden Bachelor franchise. I think they brought that audience back. And then Joey was an incredible Bachelor.

A (12:52)

Yeah.

C (12:52)

You know what I mean? So I think that's kind of what they're trying to do. So we'll see. It'll be interesting. Now, will the ratings do what they want? You know, is it.

A (13:01)

Oh, yeah.

C (13:01)

You think it's gonna.

A (13:02)

Oh, yeah. I'm curious. I've watched, like, I think two seasons and I'm like, I'm tuning in. Like, I need to see how. Because also we're in it. So I want to know, like, the mechanisms of how bringing someone in from a different storyline and a different show into this super traditional cult audience. Like, you don't mess with the Bachelor franchise. You just do not. And either they accept you or they don't. It's very like. So I am very curious as to how she will be accepted or rooted for.

C (13:32)

I think this season with Taylor will do well. It will do better than past Bachelorette seasons. Yeah. I still don't think they're gonna touch the JoJo Fletcher's, the Caitlyn's, the Hannah Brown's ratings. I don't. We'll see. Maybe I could be. I could be completely wrong again. They've never done anything like this, but it was just such peak reality TV then, especially dating shows. I'd be incredible if they did. And I honestly, like, I think me and the Basher franchise have a bit of a complicated relationship, but I am always rooting for the franchise and, like, the leads to final. I am, no matter what.

A (14:10)

Okay. If you're listening and not watching, I just kind of like jumped out of my seat. So with the Bachelor franchise. And I'm going to be as, you.

C (14:19)

Know.

A (14:21)

Choose my words wisely here. They do a really good job at containing their talent. Right. Whether that's, you know, background checks or you're not allowed to go on social and monetize off of that, like, during a certain time period. And then as you said, like, they just completely contradict themselves.

C (14:46)

They're definitely leaning into the social media, which actually, I think is like, she has her phone while filming. She's posting Tick tocks right now with Jesse. You know what I mean? So they're leaning into that. I think that's a good thing. And I think Netflix has done an incredible job with that because they. They embraced it.

A (14:59)

Yeah.

C (15:00)

So I think that's not a bad thing necessarily, embracing social media. But I see what you're saying when it comes to, like, the contradicting of everything. It'll be interesting. I'm. I will.

A (15:08)

Would you date her? Would you. Would you. For the right.

C (15:12)

You know, I found my soulmate, honey.

A (15:14)

I don't get mad at hypotheticals. Let's go. Would you Go on.

C (15:17)

I don't know her. I don't know her. I don't. I don't know her.

A (15:21)

Lots of cop out.

C (15:21)

I don't know her. I will be sad for this season, though. I will be sad. And I can't say that about past seasons. I don't know.

A (15:29)

We're going to be tuning in. What is it? Wednesday at 8pm Monday.

C (15:34)

You know, Monday night? I don't know the schedule, but yeah. So that's. That's kind of how I feel about that.

A (15:42)

What are your thoughts? What's the reality, audience?

C (15:45)

How do you think the franchise has changed? Like, how do you think Love is Blind has changed since you. Because you were the og og, gg. That's what I call you. How do you think, you know Love is Blind and the franchise has changed since you've been on it?

A (15:56)

That's a really good question. I think it's done a really good job at staying. Trying to stay true to the original concept. Right. I have known. I have seen deviations. Right. Whereas, like, if you clearly see that a couple is not gonna make it, just let them break up, you know? And in Zach and Bliss's case, I think that that was such a smart choice that they let them, you know, break up Irina and Zach in the honeymoon suite because then he knew that his. The love of his life was still out there. So I like that they've acknowledged that there could be other possibilities. I think with some season one, it was just very much like, no, we really want to see you guys at the altar. And now there's different ways to get there. So I've appreciated that. But then again, it can also cause, like, a ripple effect. Like, I think this last season in Denver, I think people leaving early and not, like, sticking it out and being like, sorry, honey. Like, this is. This is hard, but you have to, like, face the music, you know, I think that causes a lot of confusion. So, I mean, we're still figuring it out. It's a social experiment, literally to its core. I do think that people now know what Love Is Blind is. So for me, it's a very different question to ask whether someone from season three or season four or season five, because I genuinely just had no idea. But Jordan, Jordan, for example, from Denver, he didn't watch Love Is Blind. And he also had no idea what he was getting himself into. So I just think that that's, like, the key to if you want to be on Love Is Fine is just don't watch the show.

C (17:43)

I think any reality TV show, especially dating shows, like, don't go in with a playbook. You know what I mean? And I think that's what I find so interesting about you and your season is you guys were like, had no idea what you were getting into. You didn't even know. You always talk about how you didn't even know if the show was going to air, let alone be a hit. You know what I mean? So you. You were there for the right reasons.

A (18:04)

Like, five different countries.

C (18:05)

Yeah, you. Yeah, exactly. You were there for the right reasons. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, there was no other reasons to be there. You had no idea. So I always find that so interesting because obviously, I was like, season, like, 30, you know what I mean? Like, I was, like, way up, right? So I knew the kind of moral sort of what I was getting into.

A (18:21)

But I always do think, like, maybe you do watch the show, maybe you're so obsessed with the Bachelor, and then you apply and all this stuff, it's very different. And you know, this from watching something on a screen to them being in front of cameras, crew, the person that you're supposed to fall in love with. And it's just. It kind of takes all of that away because you really don't have any other preparation. You know, you're just like, I'm just gonna do what I think is right. But some people do try to go in with the playbook. And I'm telling you, producers will always, always catch that. There's like, a thousand cameras, a thousand mics. They can just. They're masters at reading people. If you think you're gonna go in and get away with something, you ain't. So don't even try. Actually try. It makes for a good tv, but.

C (19:08)

You know, so true. So obviously, we both come from different universes, right? You know, in the. In the reality TV universe. And for those of you that don't know, we met on All Star Shore. So it was a Paramount plus television show.

A (19:22)

Mtv.

C (19:23)

Mtv, Paramount plus game show. It was a challenge show. So it was not a dating show. We were not even supposed to, like, fall in love at all.

A (19:33)

No.

C (19:33)

At all. No. And so talk to, like, how did you get on the show? How did you. You know, when it came to, like, them calling you and everything, like, what was so.

A (19:43)

I think for me, it was very interesting because I had just. I filmed after the Altar the year prior, and then it takes a long time for things to air on Netflix. So it aired July 31st and in between October 1st of 2020, when we aired, when we filmed, and July 20, 31st of 2021. There was a lot of things that I was told that you find out later on when you watch it. When you watch it, that it was not true. So I kind of came off of after, like, after the Altar being air, just being like, oh, I don't trust anybody. You know, Like, I am. I'm just gonna, you know, look out for me and. And do what I want. And so instead of, like, having to take care of someone else's emotions, like, they're, you know, a little baby bird in the palm of my hands. Like, that obviously didn't work out. So I'm gonna travel the world. And so I was in Colombia and with my mom, and I was in. I was literally going to churches in Colombia and, like, these sacred churches and, like, praying and being like, I just want you to show me how good it can get. Show me. Show me what I'm here for. Show me what I'm meant for. And as soon as I came out of this big pink church, I got a text message, and it was my agent being like, oh, I need to call you. There's an opportunity that popped up. Call them. There's no service. They're like, oh, challenge show, MTV coast of Africa. I was like, I have no idea what the fuck you just said, but, yeah, book it. Like, whatever. This divine timing. And that's how it was with the first time I got casted for Love Is Blind Too. So it aired in a month and a half. I was like, I'm going to make out with everybody. I'm just going to have the time of my life.

C (21:37)

She did.

A (21:38)

I did talk about that.

C (21:42)

No.

A (21:42)

Why not? Go for it.

C (21:43)

No. I don't care.

A (21:44)

No, no, no.

B (21:45)

Yeah.

A (21:45)

You're, like, the least jealous person.

C (21:47)

Yeah, I'm never.

A (21:48)

Which is fantastic in this line of work, but sometimes I just want you.

C (21:52)

Like, you know, get a little jealous.

A (21:53)

Just get a little.

C (21:54)

I did a little bit. When we were. When we were filming it, G made out with my team teammate in the hot tub right next to me. While touching me.

A (22:01)

I think you were touching me.

C (22:03)

Okay.

A (22:03)

Your hand was on my thigh. Yeah, we were playing a game. You. You, like, set it up like. I was.

C (22:10)

No, I can't remember, honestly.

A (22:12)

Playing a game. We were playing it was truth or kiss or something.

C (22:15)

Yeah, something like that.

A (22:16)

You know, he's like, yeah.

C (22:18)

So I remember being people being like, oh, well, this isn't going to work because she likes him. He made it pretty clear afterwards. But let's not get. We'll talk about that. We'll talk about that. But, like, so that's interesting. You weren't your plan, like, you weren't gonna meet anybody. And I was the same way.

A (22:32)

I didn't want a boyfriend. Yeah, I was done. And then I had Perfect Match two months after that. So I was like, perfect. I'm gonna do this, like, MTV show, go on Perfect Match, move to Europe, see ya Happily ever after. And we met literally the first day that you.

C (22:49)

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C (24:42)

What'S that smile? She gives a very maniacal grin on her face.

A (24:46)

Well, what's really interesting is I didn't. Okay, so let me just paint the picture. We're on a beach off the coast of Africa. It's the Canary Islands. Yeah.

C (24:56)

Yeah.

A (24:57)

So really beautiful. I'm like, the third person down on the beach. I think I already met, I don't know, two people. Then you come down in your little Hawaiian shirt with the. With the white and the blue flowers. But it's really interesting because I didn't even notice that.

C (25:14)

I didn't.

A (25:14)

That. I just noticed. I just remember that later on, what I noticed was just, like, your freaking aura. Yeah. Like, you're just such a little ray of sunshine, and you're just, like, coming down. And I know you now because you turn that shit on, and you just go. And you're, like, walking down. You're like, big Blake, smile. And I'm just like, why does he look so familiar? And you're like, I'm from the Bachelorette. Like, big, huge grin, and I'm like, oh. I was like, no, not the good aura.

C (25:43)

I think it's the first time you ever told me I have good aura. I am taking that to the bank.

A (25:49)

And then after we got together and we came home, I noticed your wardrobe. I was like, oh, it's all flowers and patterns and.

C (25:58)

And guess what? None of that. She threw it all away. None of that.

A (26:03)

Look at you now. Look at this.

C (26:05)

I like my fit now.

A (26:06)

Styling by G. Yeah. No, but you look great. And. But I just loved you from, like.

C (26:13)

Oh, that's sweet.

A (26:15)

I'm gonna cry.

C (26:15)

Oh, that's sweet. Yeah, that's great.

A (26:18)

Yeah. Gorgeous. We were literally stuck like glue like that.

C (26:21)

Well, and I think kind of what she said, like. And the cliche thing is, right? Like, you'll find it when you're not looking for it. Neither of us were looking for. I had the same situation. I was like, I don't trust the soul. It was coming off my paradise stint. I was like, I didn't even want to go on the show. They kind of had to convince me a little bit because I was so against. Like, I just. I was so mad at more and less, like, production. Like, I was just. I was just angry, and I had a lot of that build up in me.

A (26:46)

For the viewers at home.

C (26:47)

I had a rough paradise, we'll just put it that way. At a rough paradise. I was, you could say I was the villain, I guess, kind of the villain in paradise. Which is hilarious if you know me. But so I just had a really bad experience. And so the one way they got me and thank God, think shout out to the producers who. And the casting people who cast me on the show. Because the way they got me, because at first I was like, hell no, no, no. They basically said, hey, there is a money prize and we cannot manipulate if there's money on the line. Like it went to the supreme court in the 1970s or something like that. We cannot manipulate when there's money on the line now. I was like, oh, in that case, sign me up. I was like, if I could just be myself and be, you know, I don't know, in it and enjoy myself and not to be thinking like, oh, what's good? You know, what's going to happen? Then sign me up. And I guess, yeah, the rest is history.

A (27:37)

Yeah.

C (27:38)

My first impression of you, I think was I remember being in the hotel beforehand, you know, because you get like, you know, whatever you call it, isolated.

A (27:46)

I'm like tanning. Topless.

C (27:48)

Yeah. I was doing push ups and I remember they. I saw my phone and some of the cast got leaked. G didn't. G wasn't one that got leaked, but some of the cast got leaked. And I remember sitting in the hotel room being like, what have I done? These people are crazy. I'm from Bachelor, I'm from Disney, I'm from abc. I'm like, what am I doing here? It was like the proto, like the most prototypical Jersey. It was like a Jersey Shore type show. These people were fantastic people. Don't get me wrong.

A (28:17)

Amazing.

C (28:18)

Crazy, crazy. So I was like, what have I done? And I remember looking through it and being like, I don't think I'm gonna get along with any of these people. There's a lot. And then I walk down the beach. G was already down there. And I remember seeing her and being like, yes, thank God. I remember being like, find her very attractive. She's super cute. And I remember we tacked. I was like, she's bubbly. I'm like, I think, I think we'll get along. I think we'll get along. And that first night we talked about our failed. Her failed marriage, or I should say failed wedding and my failed proposal. And I was like, whoa, this is crazy.

A (28:52)

It was very similar.

C (28:54)

Like, wow, this Is like, fate. And so. Yeah. And then. Yeah. And then, next thing I knew, we were constantly, always, like, flirting and catching each other, looking at each other. And we would always find chances, like, touch each other. And to the point where producers were like, stop. They were like, this is a game show. You can't be all over each other constantly. Like, you're supposed to be competing against each other. But, yeah, it was, all in all, a fantastic experience. Really fun show.

A (29:18)

The cast was amazing. Like, hilarious. Constantly laughing. They're probably some of my favorite people on earth and just so unhinged in the best way possible. Like, it made me feel really free. I was like, wow. Like, you don't have to be all, you know, perfect and Lala. Like, in front of. You can just say that and do that. And.

C (29:39)

Yeah, they were. No, then they were all. A lot of them were from, like, other countries.

A (29:42)

Yeah.

C (29:43)

Where reality TV is still O1, VH1 style.

A (29:47)

Yeah.

C (29:48)

New York. You know what I mean? Like, it's over there. Yeah. They're throwing drinks in their faces.

A (29:52)

Very housewives.

C (29:53)

They're. They're. I remember night one, there were, like, girls, like, dancing and scissoring on the. On the floor. And I was like, what is happening? I was like, I'm from the Bachelor. Where are we? But all in all, we still, you know, we love all those people. And, I mean, how long were we there?

A (30:06)

Like, 18 days.

C (30:07)

18 days.

A (30:08)

And it always feels like a year.

C (30:10)

Yeah, well, it does, but we. We literally fell in love. 18 days. I asked her to be my girlfriend at the end of the show in Spanish. It was very romantic.

A (30:18)

It was really cute. So I was actually supposed to be on Perfect Match, but then I met you two months before that. And that was actually a tipping point in our relationship where I was like, I just met this man. Do I go on Perfect Match, get clout, money, maybe another boyfriend, or do I stick with my gut? And I literally called up Netflix and was like, yep, take me out. They go, well, how about if you guys are still together, you know? But no, I think that was a very pivotal moment in our relationship. So thank you, Perfect Match, for giving me the confidence I needed. Do you remember the moments? One, where I told you I was going on the Perfect Match, and two, when I was about to make my decision.

C (31:13)

I will never forget when you told me, you're going to a Perfect Match. We had just finished filming All Star Shore. We were still, like, in Africa or the. Wherever we were. Grand Canary Islands. We're still in Grand Canary Islands. Filming had wrapped, and we were in a hotel room, and she tells me that. And it wasn't. I might. It was. I have another. It was like, I have another dating show that I'm gonna go on. And I was like. I was shocked. I was in complete shock because I was like, I just asked you to be my girlfriend. But I also knew that I did see a future with us, so I didn't want to overreact. I remember thinking that I was like, I didn't want to overreact. So I remember just sitting there, being like, if it's. I remember saying something. Something to the effect of, like, if you feel like, you know, it's something you want to do, okay, But I will not be your boyfriend back home. I remember saying that. I was like, I will not be back home waiting, pining for you. I was like, if you come back and it work, you know, you're single, and it still works out fine, but. But, like, I will not, like, I'm gonna live my life. And I remember you left the room, and you were, like, crying.

A (32:16)

That was so dramatic.

C (32:17)

It was so dramatic. That's when the camera should have been rolling.

A (32:19)

Yeah, those camera.

C (32:20)

I was just laying in bed, and I wasn't even sure if you were gonna come back. And. Yeah.

A (32:23)

Yeah. Wow.

C (32:24)

I've never had that in a while.

A (32:25)

Wild. I remember. And I remember specifically why I came back, because I. Yeah, I left the room. I was so crying because it was very. I had a lot of anxiety the entire time because I knew that I had this, But I just kept thinking, like, be in the present. Be in the present. Perfect matches, even here. Yet, like, you don't. And then I finally told you, and you were so insanely sweet. I'm. What the hell? Am I gonna cry? You were so understanding and respectful, and it showed me how much you loved me. And we had just met.

C (33:06)

Yeah. I think that was a moment where I had been through the industry before, so I knew. I knew that was a big opportunity for you, and it was, like, a cool moment for you, and I didn't want to ruin that. And then I remember we had been dating for a few months, and you got the call where it was like, do I do it or do I don't? And I remember you coming up to me, like, do I do, like, more or less? It was like, without the right word, she was basically saying, like, do you see a future with us?

A (33:29)

I literally straight up asked, yeah, yeah.

C (33:30)

And I was like, yeah. Like, I was like, yeah, I do. You know, again, like, if you think this is so. Because then I was also testing you, being like, if you want to go, go. You know what I mean? And then you kind of decided, like, yeah, I. I decided I'm not gonna go in Perfect Match. And I was like, yes.

A (33:44)

I was like, well, I can always go on season two.

C (33:46)

And then also, it was a lot of pressure on me because I was like, oh, if this doesn't work out, she gave up the opportunity to go on Perfect Match. So this better workout. No. Yeah.

A (33:54)

No, I honestly, I never felt the pressure from Perfect Match Match Truly. And then I watched it and I was like, thank God.

C (34:00)

I think I saved you. I think you owe me. I think some of the people there would have been interesting television series. The rest is history, though.

A (34:08)

Yeah. Look at us.

C (34:09)

And look at us now. We're together. Coming up on four years this month. Four years this month. In, like two weeks, we have a little baby boy.

A (34:18)

Yeah. He. The light of my life.

C (34:20)

Yeah. Literally, it's the best.

A (34:23)

Absolute best.

C (34:24)

It's the best.

A (34:25)

And I literally said, I. Because I. We announced. Not announced, but we went to the Love is Blind Reunion Season 6 When we were pregnant, and I was like, I'm so excited. I want my baby to look just like his dad.

C (34:38)

Yeah.

A (34:39)

And now he does.

C (34:40)

He does. He does be a little whiter than me.

A (34:44)

He just has, like, the same smile, the same eyes. And that's just. I think when we met, you just instantly felt like home.

C (34:52)

I remember you saying, wild.

A (34:54)

And then I go to our house, which is now. Back then, it was your bachelor pad. And I was just like, this is where I'm gonna raise my kids. I just knew it. Like, my body just knew. And so I always go back to that when we're in the trenches. We were in the trenches, like, remember? Remember?

C (35:18)

Yeah. We got a little baby boy engaged.

A (35:22)

Engaged.

C (35:23)

Engaged. Yes.

A (35:24)

Yeah. You did good, honey.

C (35:26)

I did.

A (35:27)

Yeah. We got engaged last November.

C (35:30)

October, but whatever.

A (35:32)

October. Got engaged last October in Madrid. And now we're just planning a wedding with a one and a half year old baby.

C (35:44)

Yeah.

A (35:45)

And just trying to kind of maintain or manage a lot of. I never experienced. I never thought I would, like, live my life so publicly, you know, and so. And I think a lot of people that we're going to talk with, too, I just. They're a lot. A lot of them are on the same boat as far as, like, what to share, what boundaries. How do you use your struggles to help this audience that you are, you know, so blessed to have now and I think that's just a very big reality of ours, is our day to day is very mixed up with our public life, and I'm comfortable with it. But I don't know, do you think that.

C (36:30)

How.

A (36:30)

Do you think that helps or hurts our relationship?

C (36:33)

The public eye.

A (36:34)

Yeah.

C (36:34)

I think we've become more of a team than ever before, than even we maybe would have been before. You know what I mean? Always. We always have to have each other's back. And we do.

A (36:42)

Yeah.

C (36:42)

Always have to have each other's back. You know what I mean?

A (36:44)

Yeah.

C (36:45)

Sometimes to a fault where, like, I'll see somebody say something on her, one of her pictures, and I'll be like, like, like, I'm gonna get him. And she has to, like, calm me down. I'm always like, oh, I'm gonna go stalk their profile and say the meanest thing about them. But she always. She always stops. She's like, think, think. Like, you're right, you're right, you're right. But no, I think. Yeah, I think that's, again, not something we ever anticipated, but I think it's made us stronger. Yeah, I do. Why don't we get into some relationship questions so they can really get to know us? What's a moment in our relationship you wish you could relive?

A (37:20)

Oh, there's so many. But I think. I think you might agree when we were just private. Yeah, right.

C (37:29)

So true. Our Italy trip.

A (37:31)

For our Italy trip, that was so.

C (37:33)

We weren't public yet.

A (37:35)

Sexy and like, undercover.

C (37:37)

Yeah.

A (37:37)

And people are like, are they together? They're posting the same pictures in the same place. It's like, obviously. But it was just so. That's so special. And we were falling in love like this, like, so fast. And I really like how we had that time before All Star Shore aired.

C (37:55)

Yeah.

A (37:55)

Because then that. Because you never know what's going to happen when these shows. You're like, what are they going to show? Are they going to try to make me look that way or this way? And I think we felt so secure with each other that by the time it aired, we were just like, yeah, bring it on. And I think that was just a really special time for us. Like, fall in love.

C (38:16)

Really fall in love and strengthen our relationship. Like the core of our relationship. No, I wouldn't.

A (38:20)

Just have fun.

C (38:21)

No, I would agree.

A (38:22)

Yeah. What do you think we still need to work on?

C (38:25)

Whoa.

A (38:25)

Right?

C (38:28)

What do we still need to work on in this? Like, in our relationship?

A (38:30)

What does our therapist say?

C (38:34)

What doesn't our therapist say? No, I think I. I think we have really good communication post. Post argument. Are you. No. Yeah. So one thing about me and G is we will get into a argument. Like, we're talking, like, gloves off argument, and 10 minutes later, we'll be fine.

A (38:55)

Like, we're cuddling.

C (38:57)

In a relationship like that, where you can be so angry at someone and then all of a sudden, within the next five minutes, be just totally fine.

A (39:05)

Like, is that, like, low key, toxic?

C (39:08)

No, because I think we don't do it in a way where, I mean, listen, we're four years in. You know what I mean? It's not like we're, like, in lust. You know what I mean? It's not.

A (39:15)

Yeah.

C (39:15)

And so I think. I think I love it. I love it because I think it also. We're grounded in, like, okay, we fought. Now let's, like, let's chat about it. Like, why were you mad? Why are you angry? And stuff. And so I think in that sense, we can always. You can always get better at communicating and, like, more or less like, fighting. But I think we are at a good point in our relationship right now. We're like, we'll fight, but then we'll be able to talk about that fight. It's not like we just brush it under the rug.

A (39:42)

Right?

C (39:42)

We talk about the fight, we talk about the argument, we talk about why we got there. And I just find that very mature. I never thought I'd.

A (39:48)

I'm really proud of us, Blake. I'm just like, wow, this is such, like, a healthy way to. To deal with things, and. And that's something that. Yeah, we've definitely evolved.

C (40:02)

That's a good way to put it. Good. Very good.

A (40:04)

I'm really proud of us.

C (40:05)

Same. All right, next question. What's. Oh, okay. What's our favorite thing we do together that we never show online? I think I know the. I know an answer.

A (40:13)

If we did that, it would be only fans.

C (40:15)

No, that's not what the question. Oh, boy.

A (40:20)

There it is.

C (40:20)

There's the old what's our favorite OG GG Bedrock. I think our favorite thing we do that we don't show van like, that we enjoy is we just bedrot. We just sit in bed. We kind of show that we will go down. We go days where, you know, we're very busy, we travel a lot. But then. And we love showing that. But then we'll also get home and spend two days. Oh, two full, like, Netflix and binge. And we just. As the kids call it, we bedrot.

A (40:44)

Yeah.

C (40:45)

And I think that's something that, like, obviously, you know, you don't really show because it's not that exciting. But we are our happy place.

A (40:51)

We're professional bedrock. Yeah.

C (40:52)

Our happy place. Our special place, I always say, is in bed.

A (40:55)

Yeah, it is.

C (40:56)

That's where I told G I loved her for the first time, was in our bed.

A (40:59)

Yeah. Yeah, I was gonna say that.

C (41:00)

Yeah. Yeah. Just like a special. It's weird, but, like, that's our special place.

A (41:03)

Like, I thought it was going to be in Italy.

C (41:06)

Nope. It would be in.

A (41:07)

No, it was in Colorado.

B (41:09)

Denver.

A (41:09)

Colorado. Underneath, like, your New York City poster, I was like this.

C (41:14)

She literally. We went to Italy, and she. I remember saying, like, I thought you're gonna tell me you love me in Italy, the most romantic place on the planet. I'm like, nope, just in vain.

A (41:22)

And that's how I knew.

C (41:24)

Yeah.

A (41:25)

That is a very Blake thing to do.

C (41:27)

Oh, 100% very Blake thing to do.

A (41:29)

Speaking of very Blake things, this is a very cheat question. What's something you didn't expect to love so, so much about being with me?

C (41:36)

Oh, G. G is the most spontaneous person I think I've ever been with, and I'm certainly not type A. I'm not type A, but I have never met somebody who was just able to, like, she can plan an entire trip. Like, we'll land somewhere. And when we went to Italy for the first time, we didn't have a hotel until we landed. A lot of you out there just completely, like, freaked out. Like, that gave you, like, stomach ache. But, like, that is how G is. And I. I'm not that much of, like, type B. She's very, very type B. But I've. I've come to embrace it to a degree. We sell. Some of our arguments are still about, like, gee, hey, you gotta, like, answer a couple emails. Oh. But I've learned to embrace that side of her because it's. It's an adventure to be dating G. To be in love with G. And I love that. And I think I. I've only honestly. I think now I think. I think I've only honestly dated, like, Taipei people. So at first I was like, what is this? But now I've come to embrace it, and I love it. And I think that's something I didn't think I'd love so much about.

A (42:48)

How do you think that there's any sort of, like, power. Power dynamic in a relationship? Like, someone that does take the reins on, you know, is more of a type A person with this or type A person with that.

C (43:00)

Oh, for sure. And I think that comes because neither of us are type A, so it's not like I'm just let you do everything. You know what I mean? I think we definitely have strengths in certain areas. And, like, as far as the power dynamic, I think you obviously crush business as a mother, all of those things. And I love, like, let's just, I'll, I'll admit it. Like, you're the breadwinner in the family. Like, you are. I, I do okay for myself, but G is the breadwinner, and she's a badass. And, like, I think some men and some people, especially nowadays, might be like, that's, you know, be a man. Like, you know what I mean? But I think our power dynamic is great. Like, you know, I, I, I will do certain things that I know that I can do, and she will do other things. And so I think our relationship. I don't think there are many men out there who can be in a relationship. I shouldn't say many, but there are certain men who can't be out there in a relationship where, you know, the woman might be the star in the relationship. And so. But I'm embracing it and I enjoy it and I don't mind it at all.

A (44:02)

And.

C (44:03)

Yeah.

A (44:03)

So, wow.

C (44:03)

Let you shine, honey.

A (44:05)

That's very man.

C (44:06)

Yeah, I think, actually. Thank you. I think that's even more manly than being like, I have to be the star. You know what I mean?

A (44:12)

Well, I just think that, you know, if you. Not you, but, you know, if men are trying to be macho and trying to do this and not. That's insecurity, bro. Like, if you can't let your woman shine, that's because you're insecure of being outshined. And when you're in a healthy relationship, you both build each other up. And so I like that. That was a beautiful answer. But I also. We have our different lanes, too. And so I support you and your DJing, and when you're doing, you know, all your social stuff, and I'm so proud of you. And I think we just give each other that energy, you know, we just build each other up. And, I mean, I've grown up in a family where a lot of the women in my family were just crushing it, you know? And I think if there are any people that are listening that kind of find themselves in a similar situation, you know, I wish you all the blessings and everything, but sometimes life just ebbs and flows like, you don't know, you know, if your husband or wife's job is going to be gone the next day or this and that. Like, you really just need to support what is coming in and accept that energy and. And, you know, maybe one day it'll be you. Maybe one day it'll be him and. And that's okay. So I just found that really enlightening and refreshing in this relationship where it's like, you don't try to put me down and then also you're not, like, you're not waiting for me to make any of your own moves. You know, I don't feel like neither of us take advantage of each other, which is pretty awesome. So. Yeah. I just wanted to say we're giving.

C (45:58)

Each other a lot of flowers during this interview.

A (46:00)

We are. We are.

C (46:03)

I also, I mean, obviously, like, seeing you as a mother has been incredible. It's like my favorite thing. And I want to talk. Let's talk a little bit about Heathy and you as a mom and us as parents and parenthood. I mean, we. We actually did the math the other day, which is kind of crazy. We were together two years, like a.

A (46:23)

Year and a half.

C (46:23)

Blake, when we had Heath, not when we got pregnant.

A (46:25)

Uh huh.

C (46:26)

Yeah.

A (46:26)

Yeah.

C (46:26)

A little over two years when we had Heathens. So thankfully we had already. You know, we. We felt good at a relationship, like as about our relationship and everything. But it did change, obviously, our dynamics and our relationship a lot. And what has been like your favorite moment with Heath so far?

A (46:43)

I think my. It just changes. Like, you know, if you were to ask me if I were AD right now, I'd be like, oh, my God, when I gave birth, like when I met him, you know, that's obviously just so life changing. And it just changes as he gets older. I think right now he's always seen me as his safety, as his blanket. You know, that's what moms are. You're everything, you know, the food, the home. But now he's at a point where he. When he's hurt, he'll come running to me, asking me to kiss his boo boo.

C (47:20)

Yeah.

A (47:20)

Oh my God. I'm literally like about to cry. Just think. Thinking about it. So he's. He just sees me as like that. I'm gonna cry. I need a tissue. I really do need a tissue.

C (47:33)

He's the most special thing.

A (47:34)

Wow.

C (47:35)

In G's entire life. Yeah, it's. It's. Yeah.

A (47:38)

Thank you for giving me him.

C (47:40)

You're welcome. I didn't. I honestly didn't do much. It was mostly you, but. But thank you I'll take that compliment.

A (47:47)

You're so right. I did all the hard work, and now he looks like you.

C (47:54)

He's starting to come into you a little bit. He's starting to come.

A (47:56)

Yeah.

C (47:57)

But you're right. That's such. I. I love watching how close you two are. Like, when we first weren't sure what we were gonna have, boy or girl. I think g you initially. Well, I did, too. We thought it was gonna be a girl. We thought it was gonna be a girl. And when we, you know, found out it was gonna be a boy, I think you might have had a little bit of, like, not necessarily gender disappointment, but I think we just thought it was gonna be a girl. So, like, we had planned. I don't know why we thought that, but we had planned for it to be a girl. But I think the mama's boy thing, like, boys, it's so. I'm a mama's boy. It is so real. Like, to see him with you is so special. It's so fun to see.

A (48:34)

And I had no idea. Like, I didn't know. I thought. I thought it was going to be a different dynamic, but then. But then, even after I had him, I was like, oh, no. Like, it's a very special mom and son relationship, and I love how much of a mama's boy you are. Honestly, I think it's so sweet. And it's not an overbearing relationship. It's not. I need to ask my mom first. It's nothing like that. It's just a very healthy. Like, you love your mom. You love talking to her. You love asking her advice. Her opinions mean I have weight, and she's a fantastic mother in law. Like, she literally just lets us live our life and. But I. I just find that relationship so encouraging with me and Heath just because my situation's a little different. What the.

C (49:27)

I got her. We got her.

A (49:28)

Yeah. Anytime we talk about Heath, just, like.

C (49:30)

Expect me to start crying. I'm the same way.

A (49:32)

Oh, wow. Anyway, I just think that that's amazing, and I just hope that one day Heath loves me enough, just like you love your mom.

C (49:42)

Don't worry, guys. She's okay. She's just. She's in the field. She's in her fields.

A (49:46)

Wow. Yeah. This will happen to you once you become a mom.

C (49:49)

Yeah, that's true.

A (49:50)

Very.

C (49:50)

It's very true.

A (49:52)

Heartstrings playing on my.

C (49:53)

So how do you think? Like, I think we balance each other out really well when it comes to parenting. Like, how do you think? Like, what do you think we each bring to the table when it comes to parenting?

A (50:02)

I think you bring structure. I think you bring stability. I think little boys need their dads to show them how to express themselves without any shame. I think you do a really good job at that. And I think you are just such a fun dad. Like, the quintessential Blake is, like, the quintessential dad. You know, he was literally trying to play with Heath when he was just a blob, and now he's, like, tossing him up in the air and giving me heart attacks. And. And it's so amazing just to see you become. Oh, my God, Become a man. Like, more of a man that I think it even caught you by surprise, just because it is very different when they're newborns and they're just depending on the mom. And. And now I think you've really, really stepped into your dad role. You know, he looks up to you, and I just think that that's also making you look at how your reactions are and just a little bit more.

C (51:04)

Like, oh, Yeah, I think 100. I think. I think it had you right. I think it's surprised me a little bit and how much I've not only, like, enjoyed being a dad, but how much I just kind of, like, naturally my. My. I don't know. I don't know if it's instincts. I don't know if it's just, you know, thousands of years of evolution, but instantly it was like, oh, I need to do better. I need to be better at work. I need to work harder. I need to build this. Now I'm going to cry. Need to build this little man a little, you know, a good life. And so I think it surprised me a little bit, even. Like, I was like, oh, like, I'm living for him now, and I, like, I want to live for him. That's. That's the difference, I think, is like, I wasn't. I. I always was like, yeah, I want to be a dad someday. And I didn't know what to expect, but now it's like, oh, like, I am so glad I'm here, and I want to live through his eyes. You know what I mean? I love watching him live life through his, like, in his eyes. It's so. It's so cool. It's so fun.

A (51:54)

What's, like, your one wish or hope for Heath to have as he grows up?

C (52:01)

See, and this is another thing that changed for me when he was born, because if you had asked me 10 years ago, like, oh, you have a son what would you want for him? And I'd be like, oh, man, you know, I'd say all the things like, oh, I want him to play football. You know what I mean? I want him to. To. We all want to throw, play catch with them in the backyard. And I want to, you know, him to get a scholarship to college, and I want to, like, go and watch him play and, like, things like that and have a beautiful family. And now, the second he was born, I just want him to be healthy. Like, that is all you care about. And it's all I continue to care about, is just healthy and happy. And that is not how I thought I would, like, think, you know, when it came to, like, the future. I just. I don't care what he's into. I don't care if he wants to paint, and I can't paint at all. I'll still go to his painting recitals or whatever they call them. I don't even know. But, like, I just want him to be healthy and happy, and I. That's something I don't. I mean, I know I wanted to be healthy, happy, but, like, I. I thought I'd want other things. Right now I'm just like. I just. I don't care. As long as you're happy and you're healthy, then, you know, I've done my job and.

A (53:02)

Yeah, yeah, right. I agree. Yeah, I've done my job.

C (53:07)

If you're happy, happy and healthy, I've done my job. And you grow up to be a stable, you know, human who, like, gives back to society, then I've done my job. You know what I mean? Yeah. No. 100. That's. That's how I feel. How it is. Being a parent is a lot, obviously, and it's changed our relationship. What do you think has been, like, the most chaotic moment for us?

A (53:27)

Oh, God. Every day now.

C (53:29)

Yeah. He's at that age.

A (53:29)

He's at that age, and I was waiting for it. The temper tantrums. It's hard to. It's harder to calm him down. But I think the most. The most chaotic. I don't know. But I mean, I think it's because our lives are so, you know, he doesn't go to a daycare every. Every day. He doesn't. He doesn't do all these things. So I think our life is chaos, and I think we do a really good job at managing it so that he feels stable.

C (54:04)

Organized chaos.

A (54:05)

Right. And so I feel like we. Like I said, we're not schedule people, we're routine people. So he has, like, his routine in the middle of the. Like, he'll have the same routine here in LA as he does in Denver, Colorado. You know, he'll have the same routine in Croatia or Italy or Spain as he does at home. And I think that's a talent to tell you for sure.

C (54:28)

And I think it's something that we. We knew we were gonna. Instead of, like, we were gonna fit him into our lives.

A (54:34)

Right.

C (54:34)

In a sense, I think we've done a really good job. We're still learning. We're still learning. It's. You can never get, you know, you're never done learning as a parent, that's for sure.

A (54:42)

And once you do, they're moved on.

C (54:43)

Yeah, exactly. It's like, oh, I figured it out.

A (54:45)

Yeah.

C (54:45)

You know, he's. He's doing something else, like, oh, start all over. Start all over. Yeah. But no, it's been. It's been fun raising Heath with you, and, you know, it's great. I can't wait.

A (54:54)

It's.

C (54:55)

And he's only. I can't believe I'm one of those parents. I was like, he's 20 months. But, like, I feel like I'm gonna be that for a while. He's 42 months. Yeah. I'm gonna be that parent. I'm gonna be that.

A (55:04)

Do you want me to. 42 month year old. What is that, like, two and a half years? Two and a half years.

C (55:07)

It's a long time. It's a long time. So what do you think Keith has taught you about yourself? Oh, we're gonna get deep here.

A (55:13)

Oh, God. Well, I think this, for me, is pretty apparent. I think he's taught me just how patient I can be, just how resilient I am. And I've always felt. Always felt like this, but towards my. Toward my friends and more like my family, you know, my mom or I am such a mama bear. Like, do not with me or my child.

C (55:44)

You have no idea, ever.

A (55:45)

And so. And I mean that respectfully. Right. Just because we do live so publicly. I only share what I am comfortable sharing with Heath. But I'm not even talking about that. I'm talking about if there is anyone. If we're in a crowded room, like, I just feel my instincts go immediately perk up. Like, don't. Don't get. Don't appear dangerous. Don't get anywhere near him. And so that's also been interesting as a mom with a little boy who loves danger, who loves to throw himself off of, like, the couch and this. And he's so he's so wild and fun and free, and. And so I've learned how to really balance that, you know, within myself. Like, okay, he's gonna go and play, and kids are washable. That's the best advice I've ever heard in my entire life. And durable. Yeah, they're more durable than you think. And so I've really. I'm really impressed with myself at how I've been able to balance that mom instinct and let him be a fun, free little boy, which wasn't easy, but it's easier than I thought it would be.

C (56:59)

You've definitely gotten better at it, for sure.

A (57:01)

Like, I've gotten better at it. I just think. I don't think I was ever bad at it.

C (57:05)

No, you weren't bad at it, but you were definitely more of a. Like, what was that thing where it's like, don't tell them to be like, if they're being careful, let them go? You know what I mean? That's, like, what the saying is. If they're being careful. And I think you've done such a good job of that. Instead of being like, no, it's like, oh, he's being careful.

A (57:18)

Yeah.

C (57:19)

Like, let him go.

A (57:19)

Yeah. When we.

C (57:20)

When you were. When he was young, you were like bubble wrap, but you were so much better. He was also a baby, so I get it.

A (57:26)

He was like a drunk Bambi. Like, you can't let him walk around, you know, on a little ledge. He can't control himself.

C (57:33)

See, I'm like, yeah, and if he falls, he'll learn. He'll learn.

A (57:36)

Rub some dirt on it. Like, okay, fine. You know, I'm not like, oh, every little thing is hard, but anyway, I just feel like he's taught me a.

C (57:46)

Lot about one thing, too. I want to say this. I want to give your flowers one thing G is incredible at. And I hope more parents try and do this, because I'm not very good at it. G is incredibly good at being in the moment. You're really good at being present. And that's something I've learned from you and I think I've learned from Heath, is to, like, put the phone down. Put the phone down. G still has to tell me a lot to put the phone down sometimes when I'm around him. But Gia is so good at living in the moment with Heath, and I'm, like, jealous of that.

A (58:15)

Thanks.

C (58:16)

Yeah, you're really good at that. And I think you're gonna, like, pat yourself on the back and thank yourself down the line for, like, Being like that. You know what I mean? I don't think you'll have any regrets when it comes to, like.

A (58:25)

I don't think I'll have any regrets either. I. It is. It is a lot of being so present, like, to a fault. We do everything together, you know, I. I don't like that his room is further away from us, so he's always in our room. Things like that, so. But I do. I've. And I've never been. Obviously, I've never been a parent before Lala. But I just know that these moments are so fleeting. Like, look at. Look at our lives. Can't. Didn't you think that you were gonna be in that bachelor peak madness thing forever? And then now you look back at it and you're like, whoa, that was. It was here and it was gone. So I've just really grabbed a lot of that from. From my life. And being like, this is just another phase, as sad as it is. So I'm just gonna drink it up as much as possible. I bring my baby everywhere. He does everything with us. I don't care if people are like, oh, put him in. No, he's with his mom and his dad. That's what makes him the happiest. And it's that moment. Happy. Yeah. It's like that cardi b. It's like, you know, I think I'm such a good mom. Then I'm like, come over here. But it's like, me with everyone else. Don't let me. Don't tell me.

C (59:39)

You know what I absolutely can't wait for is Heath at our wedding in his little tux. It's gonna be so much fun.

A (59:47)

That's gonna be adorable.

C (59:48)

I can't wait to, like, match him. We're gonna have, like, matching tuxes and stuff. It's gonna be the best. He's gonna be our little ring bear.

A (59:55)

It's gonna be a little ring bear. He's gonna. Oh, man.

C (59:59)

Should we say what do you want to give away about the wedding? Yeah, how much we're. We've been. So we decided to do a little bit of a longer engagement, which I love. Yeah, me too. Honestly, it was great. It is. Has been great because we are gonna do a destination wedding. We are having a destination wedding. So we don't want to give away too much. But where are we going? It's. It's in 2026.

A (60:22)

It's in 2026.

C (60:23)

We'll say that. It's in 2026.

A (60:25)

It's in 2026. It is. Okay, I'll give you guys a little hint.

C (60:28)

Oh, they're gonna get it.

A (60:31)

What?

C (60:31)

They're gonna get it if you give.

A (60:32)

A hint that it's a part of my heritage.

C (60:35)

Oh, okay.

A (60:35)

That does narrow it down. But also, no one can tell if I'm white or brown, so figure that out on your own. So, yeah, so that'll be a nice tie to why it's there, why it felt so comforting, and why I immediately was just like, this man has never been there before, but I know he is going to love it. And did you or did you not?

C (61:00)

No, I did. I did. It's going to be. It's going to be incredible. As far as, like, pressure wise. Not pressure, stress. I should say stress wise of wedding planning, obviously. Wait, did you plan your wedding? I was about to say this is our first time planning a wedding, but then I'm like, hold on a minute. Maybe this isn't G's first time planning. Oh, no, I always forget.

A (61:21)

I mean, I don't know how much I can say about it. I gave a Pinterest board to production, and it did not like, anything like my Pinterest board. So, no, I really haven't planned my wedding.

C (61:34)

But I think we're at a good spot.

A (61:35)

Everyone had the same venue.

C (61:36)

We're at a good spot, though, like, as far as wedding planning, I feel. We feel good so far, babe.

A (61:42)

I'm not stressed out in the slightest.

C (61:45)

You don't get stressed out.

A (61:46)

Things that should stress me out don't. Things that don't should. It do, guys.

C (61:51)

It's bizarre. She doesn't get stressed out about those things. I know. I'm gonna be the one freaking out.

A (61:56)

Oh, yeah, you're gonna be the Bridezilla. Oh, like 1000%.

C (62:00)

You're right. I am gonna be the.

A (62:01)

I'm gonna be so chill.

C (62:02)

You're gonna be so chill. I'm gonna be the one freaking out, making sure everybody's having a good time, making sure everybody's there, making sure everything's the way you want it. And I'm gonna be. To forget. But she's just going to be like.

A (62:11)

Oh, oh, that's sweet. I'm going like, we did the hard stuff. I mean. Oh, there's another hint. So it's a culture thing from this place where we're getting married. And I literally called. We talked to this wedding planner like, three or four times. Met her once. I was like, hey, it's been a couple months. Don't you need, like, a deposit? Don't you need, you know, a contract where a couple months away. And she's like, oh no, everything's booked.

C (62:39)

Yeah.

A (62:40)

Oh no, everything's done.

C (62:41)

She's been great.

A (62:42)

I haven't had to lift a finger. And she's just like, yep, this is how we do it. And in our culture, everyone just still trusts each other and it's very much like an honor system. And once you guys find out where we're getting married, if you want a nice stress free wedding, I'll let you know how it ends. But so far, so good. It's been fantastic.

C (63:04)

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A (63:39)

I really wanted to ask you this question too, because do you remember after we had Heath. I don't know if it was like my hormones, but it was so blissful, Blake. Like, it was just like, like stepping on a cloud. I don't know how else to describe it. And I've heard that after you get married you can feel something similar like that just kind of like that blissful peace. And I think that's what I'm gonna feel. At least just give me a week, baby.

C (64:14)

I was gonna say the honeymoon will be so blissful and then it'll be back to madness. I, I've always been one of those people who's like, when it comes to weddings and marriage, I'm like, especially the way we are now. We have a child, we live together or, you know what I mean? I don't think things are going to change a ton, but I do think it's. I, I'm looking forward to just being able to say wife. Like, I think, I think that will just be great. We'll just be able to say, this is my wife. Because sometimes I call her my girlfriend and that pisses her off. I'm like, oh, no, no, wait, fiance. So like, I'm just the title alone, I think will be fun. But I think as far as like, you know the rest of it, I think it'll just be going, you know, back to normal, and she'll have an even bigger. More ring, more jewelry on her hand.

A (64:52)

I am. What else are you getting me? No, I do agree. I think. I think once we're able to call each other, like my wife and my husband, our commitment issues will really step in and we'll just fight, like, a lot.

C (65:08)

Really? They really flare up.

A (65:10)

Yeah, it'll really just trigger me right down to the core. We're both children of divorce. So, so true.

C (65:18)

All right, babe, let's get to the good part.

A (65:20)

Okay.

C (65:21)

The relationship roast. What you've been looking forward to the entire podcast.

A (65:25)

So excited.

C (65:26)

I'm scared.

A (65:27)

Are you sweating?

C (65:27)

You're gonna enjoy this way too much. Honestly, you're gonna enjoy this way too much.

A (65:30)

Well, let's see. So this is how this is gonna work, the relationship roast. Each round, Blake and I will read a category and question and have to roast each other till one burns. All right, let's go.

C (65:45)

You're terrifying. What the. Jeez.

A (65:48)

Remember, we're going home to each other after this.

C (65:53)

Touche.

A (65:54)

All right, I already know the answer to this, but let's go. Let's have it. What's your partner's most delusional trait? Delulu.

C (66:03)

You know exactly what. Well, no, I'll give you delusional trait because, listen, she's late to everything, and this is going to be okay. This is going to be a theme throughout this. Probably Rose, she's very. You've been great. Good lately. But she's late to everything. But I think, honestly, your delusional trait, and this is almost like a. You could almost frame this as a good thing. She's delusionally positive, which I think is, like, it could be a good thing, but it's also annoying sometimes because I could be having the worst day ever, and she's like, it's fine. Everything's gonna be okay. So I think that is her delusional trait. But honestly, it's also a good thing, and I think that's why you've been successful in pretty much everything you've done, because you're delusionally gonna be like, I'm gonna be successful. So I think a lot of entrepreneurs have that in them.

A (66:51)

You have to. You have to fake it till you make it. You have to be Delulu af. No, honestly. And I think that's why I get so mad at you.

C (66:59)

I'm not delusionally because.

A (67:01)

No, you're not delusionally optimistic. No, you're You're. You're very realistic.

C (67:07)

That was. Thank you. I thought.

A (67:08)

You're gonna call me pessimist and pessimistic.

C (67:10)

No, I am a realist, honey.

A (67:12)

Honestly, it could be raining money and you're like, it's gonna.

C (67:17)

I'm gonna drown.

A (67:18)

Yeah, I'm gonna drown. Like, bro, pick it up and put it in your pocket and be happy about it.

C (67:23)

Like, anyway, that's why we balance each other out, babe. Yeah, but what is my delusional trait?

A (67:28)

You're a delusional trait. You're a delusional trait. What are you delusional about? You're just not, honey. Like, you're very grounded. You're a Taurus. Like, you're grounded to the. The earth, you know? So it's just very hard to. To budge you and to. To get you to think differently. But what's your delusional j. Okay, I'm gonna. This is a roast, right?

C (67:51)

Oh, no.

A (67:52)

How old are you, honey? 36.

C (67:54)

Oh, here we go.

A (67:55)

36 year old DJ, ladies and gentlemen.

C (67:59)

That's too. That's below the belt.

A (68:00)

Honey, I'm sorry, but he's really good.

C (68:02)

We're fighting.

A (68:02)

It's okay. I'm telling them not to trust you because once they do, he's really great.

C (68:09)

I'm a delusional dj.

A (68:11)

How many people come up to you and they're like, bro, I wasn't expecting that.

C (68:13)

No, every single show I have, they're like, oh, I didn't know you could go like that.

A (68:18)

Exactly.

C (68:18)

Yeah, I get it. Literally every show. All right, I'll take it. I'll take it, I'll take it. I'll take it.

A (68:22)

That was mild.

C (68:23)

Next one. What's your partner's most dramatic roll the camera's behavior?

A (68:28)

I don't understand this question.

C (68:30)

So, like, what, what would I do? What am I doing? One time, like, I'll be doing this thing and you're like, oh, my God, where is the camera? I have to be filming this. Like, I have to film this. This is ridiculous. This is insane. This is.

A (68:42)

It's really interesting because he'll. He'll check himself out a lot.

C (68:48)

Oh, man. I give you basically a compliment, delusionally positive, and you're actually okay.

A (68:53)

But you're. This is relationship pros.

C (68:55)

I know.

A (68:55)

No, but anyway, I absolutely love it. I. I adore it. I am very, very appreciative of it. But you do this. You do this, like, kind of like blue. Yeah. And like, you prop your chin up.

C (69:10)

Because you make fun of me all the time.

B (69:11)

Yeah.

A (69:12)

And you kind of like, you, like, flex yourself. I'm just like, bro, like, this is douche. Yeah. Yeah. What a douche. It's. I think it's okay. All right.

C (69:21)

So when I check myself out, I actually have an exact moment.

A (69:24)

Oh.

C (69:25)

Where I was like, roll the cameras. And it was Coachella last year.

A (69:30)

You want to talk about Coachella?

C (69:31)

She tried to fight a security guard.

A (69:33)

Because he wouldn't let me to my car. Which we'd been going to have the right. Every single day.

C (69:39)

Well, we did. We had the right passes, but they had closed that section down and G was not having it. And I literally had to peel her off a 6. 6 massive man who was LA. It was like kind of laughing at.

A (69:50)

Her because he was body slamming me. He was body slamming. Literally. You know those cartoons where they're just going to. Bouncing off? That's how it was. And I was just like.

C (70:02)

But as. As G said, like, when she gets going, she gets going. And that's when the camera. You saw it on Love is Blind. When G gets going and she's. She's on a roll. Roll the cameras. Roll the camera. So I have rings.

A (70:15)

You want to go right now? We got a couple right now, honey.

C (70:20)

No.

A (70:20)

Yeah. I think I act first, think later.

C (70:23)

Yes. Oh, my God, Yes. Finally, all that therapy did work. Look at that. All we needed was to come home.

A (70:28)

I've known this. I just don't know how to control it. What is one thing that is 100% your fault that Heath does.

C (70:38)

No one is one your fault. I can name some. I think Heath favorite word is no. I know favorite. His favorite word is no. And he's. He's obviously just a baby. So, like, this is kind of a joke. But, like, he is so blunt. G's ability to just. I will have like a good idea for like, I don't know, content where. What's for dinner? And G will just so emphatically be like. She won't say it, but she will be like, that's stupid. But she says it so bluntly that I get angry because I'm so used to just like a gentle, like, oh, good idea, honey. But no, I think we should do this. But she's just always just. And it's very cultural thing. Very cultural thing. She's like, no. I'm like, you son of a. Let me down easy. And Heath, I think, is going to be like that. Obviously, he's 20 months, so, like, I don't know. But he's just so bluntly like, if he doesn't want something or when he wants something, he's just like, yes. No, no. I think he's gonna get that from you. I think it's a trait he's gonna.

A (71:36)

Get from you, baby. He's a baby. He has, like, four. His vocabulary.

C (71:40)

But I think he's going to grow up and be like that.

A (71:43)

I honestly don't agree, because I. He is. I don't give a fuck what you just said.

C (71:48)

She just did.

A (71:51)

He's so gentle. Have you seen the gentlest, sweetest baby? Have you ever seen a baby so gentle with other babies and dogs and other. So I think he'll grow up to be his own person. How about that? But with the bluntness thing, that's just a trait I inherited.

C (72:09)

Okay.

A (72:09)

Yeah.

C (72:10)

Oh, 100.

A (72:10)

Yeah. And I always hated it growing up and. Yeah. Yours.

C (72:16)

Yeah. What's mine? Does he do the blue steel? No.

A (72:23)

Oh, he does, actually. And it's gorgeous. He'll, like, suck his little, like.

C (72:27)

Yeah. And he'll, like, pout his lips out.

A (72:31)

Gorgeous. No. Have you seen him throw a tantrum? That's how you look like when, like, the TV doesn't work.

C (72:41)

Only electronics. Only when it comes to electronics. I hate it when electronics don't work. I do throw tampa tantrums.

B (72:47)

Yeah.

A (72:48)

Or when, like, a breaker blows out.

C (72:50)

That's a good one. That's a good one. Or when the damn pool isn't working or something.

A (72:53)

Yeah.

C (72:54)

All right, reality TV roast. What is your partner's most iconic TV moment, for better or for worse? You go first.

A (73:03)

Okay. This is actually ironic for you because it wasn't filmed. Stagecoach. No. It was nowhere near the cameras. But that is what people. I still get comments to this day. They're like, did you guys meet at stagecount?

C (73:17)

Oh, good one, guys. You're so original.

A (73:20)

Exactly.

C (73:20)

It is weird that that wasn't even on TV for that as, like, one of the more iconic paradise moments, I think probably in the. Yeah.

A (73:27)

And what you're mostly known for, which he did become Mr. Stagecoach and then DJed twice.

C (73:33)

Diplo, honky Tonk twice. Yeah, I made the most of that.

A (73:37)

Yeah. That was sexy.

C (73:38)

Whatever you want to call it.

A (73:39)

It was very. It was a very cool moment for you, I will say that.

C (73:44)

No, it was very full circle moment. Yeah, for sure. DJing for, like, 10,000 people at Stagecoach.

A (73:47)

Yeah.

C (73:48)

In my own tent and everything.

A (73:49)

That's true. They tried to bury me for it. Yeah.

C (73:52)

Yeah, no, totally.

A (73:53)

Do you want to explain to us why Stagecoach was so iconic?

C (73:56)

Oh, the iconic Stagecoach. Well, I mean, basically, there were two women who I. I was going to see. I didn't know, really. I mean, I kind of did. I was gonna see on the beach in paradise, and we ended up having. I had a Stagecoaches three day, three days, three nights. And I ended up hooking up with one one night and another the second night. Probably not the smartest play on my part. And they both ended up being on the beach in paradise and decided to make it their entire personality on the beach.

A (74:28)

Okay, let's just gauge this man for a second. Did you know that both of these women were going to be on the beach?

C (74:34)

No, I didn't know Christina was gonna be the beach. I had. I thought maybe, but she'd already been on twice once also.

A (74:41)

You thought you were safe.

C (74:42)

No, I didn't think anything of it. Neither of them wanted to be my girlfriends. I didn't think anything of it. Neither of them wanted to date me. They just wanted to have a fun night at a best music festival. So, no, of course. 100%. I went down to that beach being like, oh, no. 100%.

A (74:58)

Oh, Blake.

C (74:59)

So you really haven't watched it?

A (75:00)

No, of course not.

C (75:01)

Why would I watch that? You should see the absolute shock and horror on my face.

A (75:06)

I would want to punch those girls in the face. That's why I'm not doing it. I'm saving them.

C (75:10)

Like, came at me. You should see the shock and just complete surprise on my face because I couldn't believe the things she was saying.

A (75:18)

Wow.

C (75:19)

You know, just Google it. But, yeah, it was like. It was like a complete shock to me. No, I. I thought she didn't want to be my girlfriend at the time or there at Paradise. It was just. Yeah, it was crazy to me. You look back, you can see the genuine, like, what are you saying? Yeah, it was crazy to be down there. It's horrible. Oh, getting like.

A (75:37)

Yeah, bad goosebumps.

C (75:38)

It was. It was rough. It was very bad. Very bad moment in my life. But we've made it through, and here we are. And now it's just an iconic moment in my past that one day I'm going to have to explain to Heath, and I don't know how I'm going to do that, but I'm going to have to explain that to Heath one day maybe.

A (75:53)

Maybe you're going to have to teach him to be a gentleman.

C (75:59)

Touche. For you, I got. You have so many. We talked about earlier. You have so many iconic moments. I mean, obviously, there's the running away. It's got. It's that. It's that. It's that it's got to be the running because you are a runaway bride. Like, that's crazy. That's, like, only what you see in movies. That's why season one was so iconic in your story. Was so iconic because, like, you were a runaway bride and then you fell. You had a little stain on your dress. Just iconic reality. Not only just, like, iconic moment for you, but like reality TV and love is blind moment in general. In general.

A (76:31)

Does that make you nervous from our wedding?

C (76:34)

Are you going to run away from our wedding?

A (76:36)

No, baby.

C (76:37)

For you to run, honey. Yeah. There's nowhere for you to run.

A (76:40)

I'm milking it.

C (76:40)

I'll find you.

A (76:42)

What's something your partner does that makes you think this person would not survive without me?

C (76:50)

So many things. No, I think, obviously, I think there's so. I mean, you're. You're a very independent woman. I think people don't necessarily might not know that, but you're a very independent woman. But, I mean, trying to very navigate these waters very carefully. Very carefully.

A (77:15)

You know, I can handle it.

C (77:16)

G is, as we've talked about, she's type B. And I think she needs somebody in her life who was like, hey, babe, how many. How many unread text messages do you have right now? This is a real question.

A (77:26)

Want me to pull it up?

C (77:27)

No, Just how many do you think you have? I know it's.

A (77:29)

I think it's like 44,000.

C (77:31)

Oh, is there emails or text messages?

A (77:33)

Text message emails. 44,000 text messages. 2,600. She has 26 of these are spam.

C (77:39)

That's what they all say. 2600 unread messages. That gives me hives. That gives me hives. So I think she needs somebody in her life to be like, hey, babe, her manager will text me. Her friends will text me and be like, hey, can you tell G to text me back?

A (77:54)

We're so going to therapy.

C (77:57)

So that's a moment where I don't know if she would. I don't know if she'd survive. Like, I think, like, relationships would just start falling off around her because she doesn't answer texts back. So I think she needs me and she needs me in her life to be like, hey, babe, you should probably text back your family. Okay. You're Derno.

A (78:17)

Okay. You're not wrong.

C (78:18)

Oh, that's nice.

A (78:19)

However, I have my reasons. And that is your strength. It is, right?

C (78:25)

I have zero unread text messages.

A (78:27)

That is your strength. That Is my weakness. We teach each other. I'm going to kill you later. But for you. Oh, man. How much do I expose you right now? Okay, honey, I think that we could do a better job at.

C (78:51)

Well, you're putting this nicely instead of bluntly. Look at you.

A (78:53)

I am, because I'm about to bring out the chancla. No, I mean, I think, you know, you are a man. Very stereotypical manly man. And we leave our underwear on the floor. We don't shower for two to three.

C (79:14)

That is not true, you guys. This is it.

A (79:16)

I figured it out. What's the question again? What is the. This would not survive without me. You would literally get mrsa. You know what MRSA is? It's a skin infection that takes over your body. It's like staph because you think that the pool is a shower.

C (79:33)

You guys, she acts like I never shower. I just. I'll shower once a day, sometimes every other day, and G showers three times a day. Mrsa. That was good. That was good. That was good.

A (79:47)

Yeah.

C (79:47)

Well, that was fun. I'm glad everybody knows that I'm gonna. I never shower, and I'm gonna get mrsa. So this has been a fun bonus.

A (79:55)

Honestly, the worst part about it.

C (79:56)

No, we're off of the stuff.

A (79:57)

I just want to really. Just really quickly. The worst part about it, too, is you would never be able to tell because this man does not smell. He does not look disheveled. He does. That's the worst part about it. So I won't even know after, like, a day.

C (80:13)

That's true. She doesn't.

A (80:14)

I have no idea. Because you're just. I don't know. It just. I don't know. You eat it. I don't know. So I think after we get over this little relationship roasting.

C (80:25)

Yeah. If we. If we can make it through the relationship roasting, we're looking forward to our wedding.

A (80:29)

Yeah, we make it to our wedding. Is that what we're most excited about?

C (80:32)

No. Yeah, but this is. This is a really fun podcast, you guys, and we got a lot of fun things coming up. Obviously, we have a huge wedding. We have some bachelor bachelorette parties that we're excited about Heath's second birthday, which we're not nearly going all out as we did the first birthday. That was a lot awesome. But. But, yeah, no, thank you guys so much. I hope you enjoyed this as much as we did. Is there anything else we want to leave the listeners with, honey?

A (80:58)

I just think you guys need to play this game with your spouse.

C (81:03)

Play the Roast game with your spouse because it'll lead to fun stuff.

A (81:06)

Yeah, no, I, I think what maybe you guys heard was just that it's okay to. To be silly and to be honest and not take things too personally. I think when you decide to spend the rest of your life with somebody, you just need to, like, accept them, embrace it, Embrace it, The past, how they are right now. It's. If you guys become parents. No, you haven't done this before, you know, typically. So just give each other grace and learn together. And I think that's kind of been the key for us. It's. We've. We are learning together, and it was hard. You know, you kind of go at each other. But I just think that if we made it through our blunders on reality tv, finally found each other, had a baby, still wanted to be with each other after everything that life throws at you, and now we're getting married, I think we have a lot to look forward to, baby.

C (82:09)

Amen, honey.

A (82:10)

Yeah. And some really fun guests. So.

C (82:12)

Yes. Stay tuned, you guys. Thanks for joining us this week, but next week we have an incredible guest, and it's gonna be a really good interview.

A (82:20)

Well, very enlightening. She's never talked about this before, and I think she is going to. I don't know. I haven't talked to her yet, but she's kind of. Yeah, she's on a journey right now, so let's see where she's at.

C (82:35)

So thanks for tuning in, guys, and we'll see you next week.

A (82:37)

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B (82:45)

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