Introducing Mr. & Mrs. Sutherland: Grounded, Grateful & Growing Together

Summary

What's the Reality? — "Introducing Mr. & Mrs. Sutherland: Grounded, Grateful & Growing Together"

Podcast: What's the Reality?
Host: Amber Desiree (AD), with guest and husband Oli Isaac Sutherland
Release Date: November 19, 2025
Episode Length: ~78 minutes

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Episode Overview

This heartfelt, funny, and unfiltered episode features host Amber Desiree (AD), reality TV star from "Love Is Blind" and "Perfect Match," joined by her husband, Oli Isaac Sutherland. As a newly married couple expecting their first child, Oli and AD dive deep into the realities of marriage, pregnancy, navigating public opinion post-reality TV, and the joy and challenges of blending their lives in and out of the spotlight. The conversation ranges from personal moments to pop culture, relationship lessons, growth after reality TV, and even a playful "Newlywed Game" to close out.

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Main Themes

• Adjusting to married life & impending parenthood
• Vulnerability, growth, and change after reality TV
• Navigating public scrutiny and online hate
• The "real" behind reality TV — context and unseen moments
• The power and perseverance of love through ups, downs, and drama

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Entering a New Chapter: From Reality TV to Real Life

[01:10–03:44]

• Oli and AD reflect on the transition from fiancés to married couple, emphasizing how marriage brought a new layer of security and stability.
  • Oli: “As soon as we put these rings on…there was a shift. [It] adds this extra layer of, 'No, we’re good. We’re in this.'” (01:49)
  • AD: “We were in such an amazing place...then you get married, and it adds this extra layer.” (01:49–02:12)
• Both describe feeling more grounded, secure, and at-ease in their relationship despite typical couple arguments or mundane days.
  • Oli: "I'm so comfortable with the mundane with you because the mundane doesn't feel mundane." (04:36)

2. Navigating the Ordinary and the Unseen

[03:44–06:30]

• The couple discusses the beauty in everyday routines, companionship, and the quiet joy of just being together, especially amid pregnancy.
  • Oli: "It's just like, we're...at the genuine best friend stage...I'm just living with my best friend." (04:41)
  • AD: “We've done more in this one year than a lot of people have done in a lifetime.” (05:13)

3. Bumps Off-Camera & Navigating Public Scrutiny

[05:29–07:34; 25:06–47:21]

• They share honest perspectives on early relationship struggles, moving continents, adjusting to LA, and challenges intensified by being public figures.
  • Oli: "Everyone goes through those things. They just don't tell you about it, and it just doesn't get televised." (05:29)
• Public perception is a recurring subject—AD and Oli open up about dealing with negative commentary, online hate, and speculation about their relationship timeline post-"Perfect Match."
  • Oli: “People are going to think this of me...but what I can't abide is things being said...that are demonstrably untrue.” (25:18)
  • Notable clarification: They did not know each other before "Perfect Match," nor did pregnancy influence their engagement (25:52–28:17).

4. Pregnancy: The Beautiful & Chaotic Journey

[09:23–18:14]

• The couple shares the emotional and physical rollercoaster of pregnancy from revealing the news (“You can't just drop that on me and leave!” – Oli, 11:24) to first trimester ups and downs, sympathy pains, and the mounting excitement of meeting their daughter.
  • Oli: “I just can't wait to meet her...this person I've been falling in love with for the last several months.” (09:52)
  • AD: “There's no one that could have convinced me I wasn't the size of a beluga whale.” (13:58)
  • Oli: "I thought a uterus was a type of Lamborghini." (17:08)

5. Growth, Forgiveness & Redefining Love

[51:09–56:41]

• Oli takes accountability for mistakes made on "Perfect Match" (namely, lying and acting out), sharing the hard lessons learned and the deep, quick changes he’s made.
  • Oli: “There’s no excuse for me lying to you...It was cowardly, it was selfish, it was manipulative, it was wrong.” (51:08)
• AD and Oli both reinforce how their views on love have evolved: prioritizing friendship, understanding everyday love, and consciously choosing each other, flaws included.
  • Oli: “Love isn’t always going to be rose petals and candles...More often than not, it’s just like a sleepover with your best friend.” (53:08)
  • AD: “To be in love with you and be your wife…is a really, really good feeling. Really relaxing, calm feeling.” (54:47)

6. Life after Reality TV: Commentary, Healing, and Future Plans

[47:21–76:11]

• The couple reflects on dealing with online hate—and why trolls say more about themselves than the people they attack.
  • Oli: “If you want to go and chat shit about me on a forum, I can't stop that. But the way I’ve been able to reconcile it...tells me a lot about the person that’s leaving those comments.” (41:56)
  • Oli: "Once you've seen five abusive comments, you've seen them all...you develop thick skin." (43:12)
  • Both thank fans for overwhelmingly positive support, especially after their wedding photos: “We do see you, we do feel the love.” (46:06)
• They stress the importance of grace—both in reality TV and relationships: "A bump doesn't mean the journey ends." (56:45)
• Oli hints at future projects, including possibly launching a podcast focused on male vulnerability and mental health, inspired by his own journey and need for men to open up (70:49–73:46).
  • Oli: "There’s a gap...for a men’s-based, like the equivalent of what you’re doing, but for men." (71:28)
• Both are excited for a quieter, private stretch as they await the birth of their daughter.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

Relationship & Marriage

• "As soon as we put these rings on ... I did feel a shift. ... It just gives you that extra layer of like, okay, we can argue and she ain’t going anywhere." – Oli (01:49)
• “I think we’re just at a genuine best friend stage, in the most beautiful way.” – Oli (04:41)

On Public Scrutiny & Reality TV

• "The difference between us and you is ours is televised for the world to see." – Oli (05:29)
• “What Sally says about Susan says more about Sally than it does about Susan.” – Oli (46:05)
• “Red flag culture… has got crazy… Know what is a red flag for you and know what is a red flag that you saw on TikTok.” – AD (59:25)
• “A bump doesn’t mean the journey ends... don’t pull the plug at the first sign. Serious things, yes, but most bumps aren’t red flags—they’re human nature.” – Oli (56:45, paraphrased)

On Growth & Forgiveness

• “I knew what I did… I changed so much since then for good reason… I don’t do that anymore.” – Oli, on evolving post-show (28:57, 29:29)
• “Everything we’ve ever said we were going to do, we’ve set out and done it. … All the promises I made to you.” – Oli (52:07)

On Pregnancy & Parenthood

• “There’s a whole human in there. It’s not like she’s really in the growing stages now… I just can’t wait to meet this person I’ve been falling in love with for the last several months.” – Oli (09:52)
• “He feels everything I feel. That one time you got nauseous.” – AD (16:35)

On New Projects & Future

• “I want to explore the possibility of … my own podcast … I’d like to create a platform where men generally can [open up].” – Oli (70:49–71:28)
• “If there was ever a time to slow down and just be at home, it’s now with one another.” – AD (74:03)

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"The Newlywed Game" Highlights (60:22–69:40)

• Who said 'I love you' first?
  • Oli: “I did. Yeah. I had this whole thing planned … but I saw you … and it just came out.” (60:39)
• Who makes the first move?
  • Consensus: Mutual, but AD might have edged in first. (62:23–63:10)
• Guilty pleasure TV?
  • Oli: True crime docs
  • AD: Real Housewives of Potomac (66:10–66:57)
• Who will spoil the baby more?
  • Both agree: AD, but debate the difference between spoiling and loving. (67:12–68:17)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 01:10 — Transition from engaged to married, early reflections
• 04:36 — Embracing the mundane and best-friendship
• 09:52 — Emotions around impending parenthood
• 13:39 — First trimester pregnancy confessions
• 25:06 — Setting the record straight on relationship timeline
• 33:31 — Changing after reality TV, motivation for growth
• 41:56 — Coping with online negativity, boundaries, self-protection
• 53:08 — Redefining love: being best friends, everyday connection
• 60:22 — The Newlywed Game segment
• 70:49 — Oli discusses potential men’s vulnerability podcast
• 74:03 — Immediate plans: Focus on family and privacy

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Tone & Style

The episode is warm, witty, candid, and honest, bleeding between laughter, vulnerability, and unfiltered reflection. AD’s playful sarcasm and Oli’s self-deprecating humor create a dynamic, open conversation. Both embrace accountability, self-growth, and the realities behind the glamour.

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Key Takeaways

• Marriage and love deepen with security and friendship, not just romance.
• Online hate is real, but recognizing its source and protecting your peace is vital.
• Growth can be rapid and real, especially when motivated by love and commitment.
• Don’t give up on love after bumps in the road; resilience and choice matter most.
  • “Don’t give up on love. You deserve love and your person will find you.” – AD (56:38)
• Reality TV is just a sliver of the story—the real-life journey is what counts.
• Oli’s next act may involve building safe spaces for men to share and grow.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode:

This episode is a masterclass in navigating love under (and after) the bright lights of reality TV. Whether you’re a fan of “Perfect Match,” “Love is Blind,” or just rooting for a couple who keeps it real, AD and Oli’s authenticity and insight will leave you both entertained and inspired. If you crave romance with a heavy dose of realism, hilarious confessions, and honest takes on public life, this is your must-listen (or must-read!) recap.

Transcript

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[A]

What's the reality?

[B]

What's the reality? Hey, you guys, it's your girl ad. And welcome back to another episode of what's the Reality, y'? All. Today, I am so excited. I have one of my favorite people, if not my favorite person in the building with me today. My husband.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

Last time you were here, last time it was, did I even get to introduce you as my husband or my fiance?

[A]

Last time was bring your fiance to work day.

[B]

Now it's been your now my husband.

[A]

Husband to work day. It's a different. It's a different time.

[B]

Welcome to what's the reality, honey.

[A]

Thanks, darling.

[B]

How are you?

[A]

I'm pretty good. Life's good.

[B]

Life's good. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Life keeps getting better.

[B]

Tell me about it.

[A]

Well, I got married recently. That was fun. A baby on the way. It's all happening. It's all happening. It's been like the most active year of our lives.

[B]

Tell me about it. How's it feel being married to me?

[A]

Genuinely, like, as soon as we put these rings on for me, anyway, I'll let you speak for yourself. There was. I did feel a shift, and I didn't think I would in that, like, rapid away. I think obviously I already already knew we were good. We were solid. We were in such an amazing place. But then you get married, and then it adds this extra layer of just like, oh, no, we're good. Like, we're in this kind of thing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And not to say that I ever thought we were gonna, like, not make it before, but it's now. It just gives you that extra layer of like, okay, we can argue over the dishes and she ain't got anywhere. Like, we're. You know what I mean?

[B]

But we don't argue about the dishes because I don't do the dishes. I don't cook, I don't clean. But let me tell you how I got this ring.

[A]

Anyway. No, I don't know. It just feels like. It just. It was almost like a weight off my shoulder. In a weird way, I thought I was, like, stressed before.

[B]

I just felt, like, very. Or feel way more grounded and, like, secure in our relationship.

[A]

That's the way I would put it.

[B]

It was like.

[A]

And I was speaking, funny enough, I was speaking to Benaya about this on the phone the other day, and he said the same thing. It was like, again, he knew that him and Nicole were good for life. But it's like, now it's like, okay, even if we hit a little bit of a bump, it's like, that's my wife. I'm her husband. We're not going anywhere. We can, no matter what. There's an extra layer of, we're going to sort this out regardless. But, like, we're good now. I've learned to keep my mouth shut. We don't fight anymore at all. I've learned some good catchphrases that include, maybe that was my fault. Maybe I. Maybe I'm in the wrong. Maybe I forgot. I'm sure I got that wrong. And then, yeah, we just. We just sail past everything.

[B]

Yeah. I spend a lot of time in the nursery, too, so that helps.

[A]

You do?

[B]

Yeah, you do.

[A]

I spend a lot of time at the pool.

[B]

Yeah. Not now, because it's like, 60 degrees.

[A]

True. But I think. I don't know, it just. It just. We were in a good place anyway, hence why we got married. And then it's just added, like, an extra. I don't know. Things just feel even better, which I didn't think was possible.

[B]

Do you think anything has changed for us as a couple since we got married?

[A]

Kind of like what I just said. I just think we've just found, like, a more solid groove. And. I don't know. I just think. I don't know why I'm lost for words. I'm not normally like this, but I don't know, it's just. It's hard to, like.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Sum it all up, but it's just like, we're just gonna read. It's funny because people talk about getting from that, like, kind of dating phase, that passionate phase, that honeymoon phase and all that, and then you get to this stage where you're like, companionship. In the most beautiful way. You're just best friends. And it's like, I think we're there. And I remember one of my best friends saying to me, like, heads up. You're gonna have to get used to, like, being comfortable with. With the mundane. And I was like, that sounds boring. He's like, no, What I mean is not every day is going to be like, date night or some big event or something. Sometimes it's just going to be like, you barely even get changed out your pajamas. You're just sitting in front of the tv. Especially with you being pregnant.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I'm so comfortable with the mundane with you, because the mundane doesn't feel mundane. It's like, we don't have to leave the house for three days.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And we're still having a good time. And that's. That's like, where I feel like we're at, which is like a genuine best friend stage where it's like, obviously it's still always very obvious and present that we're like, more than friends, but sometimes it was like, I'm just living with my best friend. It's like, yeah, in the most beautiful way.

[B]

Yeah. I love our marriage and our relationship and living with you. And we've been together for, what, a little over a year now? And we've done more in this one year than a lot of people have done in a lifetime.

[A]

Yeah. 100.

[B]

And the way that it's all come together is just magical. Like, I mean, it was a little bumpy in the beginning and, well, in the first again, but that's how every relationship starts. A little shaky.

[A]

Yeah. And that's why the whole, like, some of the online commentary drives me a bit mad because, like, oh, this happened and that happened and he did this and da, da, da. And I'm like, there's certain things which will come onto that I can't excuse from, even from the early stage, that there's no. No justification and there's no context that makes it okay. But, like, some of it, I'm just like, we had a fight and it's like, everyone has a fight. The difference between us and you is as is televised for the world to see. And it's like, yeah, it's very easy to look at, like, the bumps we went through and see on. On TV and be like, oh, my God. And then blow out of proportion. But, like, everyone goes through those things. They just don't tell you about it and it just doesn't get televised. So.

[B]

Yeah. And even at the, like, when you Take TV out of it. Just the growing pains of you coming to America and us moving to la, it was just like, it felt like it was hard, but then it felt like I was doing it with my best friend. So at the end of every night it was like that was a doozy of a day. But I still have my person and I feel like we, we rode that roller coaster together. I don't think there's anything that we can't overcome.

[A]

No, I agree. And I remember you saying to me before and I agree, like the fact that we've traveled a lot, like, a lot. Like I've been on more flights this year than I probably have in my entire life. I'm not even joking. And then travel can be stressful at the best times. And how many times we like had a flight been canceled or it's been delayed or we've missed it or whatever. And it's just like the fact that we are always just able to. Just because they say that's a good test of a relationship if you don't turn on one another in those stressful moments. Not necessarily just travel, but those stressful moments if you can still remain level headed. And we've always done that.

[B]

Yeah, I remember saying that when we were in Tulum and we were traveling the second time. No, the first time. And we stayed behind and we were trying to figure out where we were gonna stay and what we were gonna do. And I just remember looking and being like, I know that like a good travel partner is a good like lifetime partner.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like you were saying, like it's just unpredictable with flights and where you're going to stay and blah, blah, blah. Just like going with the flow. And I felt like we were so go with the flow. Like I don't know if we. Did we even talk about post Perfect Match when, when we ever.

[A]

What do you mean?

[B]

Like how we stayed in Tulum?

[A]

Well, as in, on. In a. Yeah. I don't know. I think you might.

[B]

I don't think so.

[A]

Not really. We can get into that. You're. Listen, you got the cards.

[B]

I know I'm freestyling now real quick. But like after, after we finished Perfect Match and we stayed in Tulum and Ollie and I have different vacation styles and I learned that very quickly. And so. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

But what's nice is we appreciate each other's styles.

[B]

We do.

[A]

So like I'm more like kind of boutique hotel somewhere like quiet on the beach. And you're more like those kind of hotels that are the size of A small city, but that's fine, like, because we. I appreciate those ones. And then, yeah, it was nice.

[B]

That, like, I loved the hotel.

[A]

That's what I'm saying. That's what made it nice.

[B]

It was like, he picked a nice. Like, got us a villa right on the beach. And it was, like, small, like, boutique. It had, like, hot tub. It was really, really nice. Like, right. Walk right up into the. The beach. And my man loves a snorkel.

[A]

I do love a snorkel. I ain't been in a while. I'm getting the itch for Ain't gonna lie.

[B]

Yeah. So he did that, and then it was my turn. So we stayed three days in Tulum, and then three days in Cancun, and then it was my turn to book the. I booked the hotel in Cancun, and we pull up to this, like, Marriott. That's like a castle.

[A]

Humongous. Never seen anything like it. Seriously, that was crazy. We didn't see all of it, but.

[B]

We were still brand new in our, like, knowing each other. We had known each other for what, and a half weeks at this point? And then you looked at me, you're like, did I pick the right kind of hotel? I was like, you did. I swear.

[A]

I love it. Yeah. When I saw your taste compared to what I got. Oh, I didn't know. Yeah.

[B]

No, but I loved it. I loved it. Okay. So you have a baby on the way.

[A]

Yeah. Certain things do remind me. Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

A little girl. How you feeling about our girl almost being here? Literally? I feel like by the time this.

[A]

It could happen right now. It could happen during filming. I ain't gonna lie. Like, we're close, y'.

[B]

All, you know, you don't understand. I have a literal heating pack.

[A]

We're in. We're in the final stages.

[B]

I feel like by the time this airs, she could be here. How do you feel about that?

[A]

Everyone's asking me that. And it's like. It's hard. Like, everyone's. Are you. Are you scared? You must be sweating. I'm like, yes and no. I'm just at a point now. I just can't wait to meet her because it's like, she's so real. Like, I will be lying in bed, and I can literally, if we're cutting up enough, I can feel like kicking on my side. And it's like, there's a whole human in there. It's not like she's really in the growing stages now. It's like, I just can't wait to. To just meet this person I've been falling in love with for the last several months. You know, I mean. Yeah.

[B]

Remember when I told you that I was pregnant?

[A]

Oh, my God. I don't know if you told this story, but, like. Yeah, we can get into that. I mean. Okay, the craziest part about it was we were in Charlotte at the time, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you were flying to LA to shoot. To shoot this. Okay. And that was like, the first time I hadn't come, which is just crazy because obviously, like, of all the times I wasn't gonna movie, but obviously I didn't know. And then without going into too much detail prior to that, you would think.

[B]

You were like, oh, yeah, I could be.

[A]

I could be. And I was like, yeah.

[B]

But that was like every month leading up, I was like, could be.

[A]

Could. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I remember just waking up and you didn't give me any update and I was like, that's different. And then all of a sudden I just heard when you were brushing your teeth and I was like, that's a new sound. But again, I did. I still didn't kind of. I was so tired. I didn't put two and two together. And then I. And then next thing you know, you're like, oh, can you come and help me with something in the bathroom? And then I'm. And then you pointed to the pregnancy test on the side of me being an idiot. I was like, looking at it like, why would.

[B]

You are half sleep, 7am Obviously, looking.

[A]

Back, why would you ever show me a negative pregnancy?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Makes no sense. And then I was like, are you serious? And I just. It was just the weirdest feeling. Like, you always imagine how you're going to feel up, like, prior to that moment, but nothing can quite prepare you for it. And then next thing you know, she was like, my Uber's five minutes away, so I've got. Got a dash. And I was like, what? You can't just drop that on me and leave. And then you left and I was just left. I was just left on the edge of the bed, like, Well, there's that. And then I think I fell back asleep for a little bit. And then I think the next day, I was telling the story the other day. The next day I was like, this feels so real, but doesn't feel real. And I had to make it real. So I went to, like a. I found a baby store, a massive one, and I was just walking around there to try and make it feel like, no, this is really happening. And I had to do that by myself. To have that moment sinking. I just remember walking around going, oh, my God. God, there's so much stuff we need to get. And then I just got this little bear and was like, can I take this bear, please? I think they were. They must have been wondering why I was so, like, bewildered. But, yeah, that was the moment it sunk in when I got that bear home. And I was like, oh, my God, this is gonna be.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We didn't even know, obviously, know anything at that point. No gender or anything.

[B]

Nothing. And then I just remember being here in la. Like, I'm a mom.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm gonna be a mom.

[A]

Yeah. First trimester was wild.

[B]

In what way? Ali, how was first trimester for you? Tell me about it.

[A]

Yeah, it brought out a different side to you. Yeah. That was a test.

[B]

What side?

[A]

A lovely. Can I tell. Can I tell her? Can I tell them about the. The when you was away?

[B]

Yeah, my brain trip.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She was on this brand trip, right. This was ridiculous.

[B]

We were.

[A]

You were about 6 minutes, 20 minutes pregnant, right? And then she sent me. She's in the bathroom and she sent me this picture. She's like, oh, wait, help. And I was like, what are you talking about? And she's like, everyone can tell I'm pregnant. And I was like, there's no way at this stage. This is true that this stage they can tell you're pregnant. She's like, I'm huge. I've got a person inside of me. And then she sent me this picture. And I kid you not, the belly I have right now is the exact same as what she had. But she had your daddy send me this picture. Like, this. Look, I'm huge. And I was like, babe, we've been pregnant for about, like, you just done the test.

[B]

I think I was like, seven weeks at that point.

[A]

Yeah. And I was like, no, no, trust me, you're the same size. No one could tell. And then you was like, you're invalidating my experience. And I was like, I can't win this. So I'm like. So then I had to, like, admit that you did look really pregnant. Then you're like, what are you trying to say? I'm fat? And I was like, this is. This is hard. This is. First trimester was a ride.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. No, no. There's no one that could have convinced me that I wasn't the size of a beluga whale.

[A]

You're smaller than. You're still smaller than me.

[B]

I literally, like, I was like, I'm drinking Mocktails. Everybody knows.

[A]

Everybody's looking at me. I was like, babe, I promise you, no one knows a thing.

[B]

And I took a picture in the bathroom. And like, literally, we went back to the picture the other day, and when I tell you, I fell out laughing because if I just.

[A]

And bear in mind, you're pushing out in that picture as well.

[B]

I wasn't pushing out. I was bloated. I didn't have anything to push out because I have had abs. I was bloated, but it was like a little bit of bloat. And I.

[A]

No one, even with a magnifying glass, would ever think you'd pregnant.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

So, yeah, first trimester was a ride. That was a journey.

[B]

I love the voice that you give me, by the way.

[A]

It's kind of accurate.

[B]

Is that what I sounded like? I was in distress. I was like, everyone knows everyone's looking.

[A]

I was like, no one. Anyway.

[B]

Okay. What has been the most surprising or emotional part of preparing for the baby so far?

[A]

That bit. Probably just the crazy. Like, I don't know. I don't know. It's hard. Like, obviously, I'm the man in this. I'm not going through any of the physical. Physical symptoms or the, like, emotional ones in the same way that you are. I think the hardest. The bit I found, the strange is obviously seeing you go through everything that you're going through and not being able to, like, have a quick fix. Do you know what I mean? Like, when you're in pain, I can't just be like, oh, take this, and you're good. Yeah. And like, when you're feeling away, I can't just magic it way. So that's been hard. It's like having to kind of just stand by and watch you go through it. And all I can do is offer support. But then I remember when our doctor said, like, all she wants to do to just be there and just let. Remind her that you're there. And that was probably some of the best advice I got. And it was just like. And that's why I always like when you're going through it, like, I'll just hold your hand, rub your back, and be like, I'm here. And that's. It's kind of useless, but it's also really.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Useful at the same time. You know what I mean? So it's like, yeah, it's hard. Not that it's ever harder on me than it is on you, but it's like, I don't like that helpless feeling of I want to Be able to do more to help you and. And change the way you're feeling, but I can't.

[B]

Yeah, Ali got really crazy sympathy pains.

[A]

No, that was weird. There was a time when your back was hurt, and then the. The. The same day I got up from the sofa and slipped my disc, which is a recurring injury, but, like, it hasn't played up in months. And it was like, now I'm limping.

[B]

Around like, oh, my God, my back, my back.

[A]

So now neither of us can walk.

[B]

And now he's, like, trying to get off the couch. I was so annoyed. Or like, I'll be like, I have a headache. And he's like, me, too.

[A]

That was legit, though. Like, I don't know. I believe in sympathy pains now. I believe that's a real thing.

[B]

He feels everything. I feel that one time you got nauseous.

[A]

Yeah, that was crazy, too. It's a mad. It's a mad time.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But it's a beautiful time.

[B]

And it's like, no, go ahead.

[A]

Well, no, it's just weird. Like, obviously each day brought something new.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And, like, I thought. I knew. I thought. I thought I was a fairly, like, clued up person before. And then you realize just how much you don't know about a woman's body. Like, priorite, you just. I don't know, just, like, learning each stage, not just within. Not just each trimester, but, like, each stage within each trimester.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I was pretty clueless if I actually look back, because, like, prior to this, I thought a uterus was a type of Lamborghini. Do you know what I mean?

[B]

It's like, all right, I'm joking.

[A]

I didn't realize how much I didn't know. And then, like, how much I needed to get clued up on things and then just. Yeah. So that I can stay one step ahead. So that when you do feel a certain thing, I'm like, oh, I know what this is, and we can be ready for it. But, yeah, it's just been a beautiful journey.

[B]

Beautiful is one way to describe it.

[A]

That's an optimistic way of.

[B]

Very optimistic way. It hasn't been, like.

[A]

It's called euphoric recall. I'm looking back on it and just remembering the good bits.

[B]

The good parts. Second trimester hit.

[A]

Second trimester was fun. Second trimester was fun. That was a different. That was a different. That was a different experience altogether.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Third trimester now.

[B]

Jeez, Third trimester is a doozy.

[A]

Third trimester was like the Return of the Jedi. It was like the first Trimester, but worse. I was like, ah, here we go again.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. But then the beautiful part of it is it's like you're fully, fully bumped. So it's like. And she's kicking and all the things. So it's like that kind of offsets it. It's like there's so much.

[B]

Yeah. And you really, like, have stepped up with her nursery. Like, he built the crib, the dresser, put everything on the walls.

[A]

The nursery game is on point. Yeah, I can't wait to show the world that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Not yet, though.

[B]

No, not yet. Just really stepped up with that.

[A]

I tried.

[B]

Yeah, you did good. Remember, I cried when you. When I saw the dresser.

[A]

You cried when you saw a lot of things. The emotions have been crazy. Crazy.

[B]

Okay, let's move on.

[A]

All right.

[B]

Actually, wait, one more question. What are you most excited for when it comes to being a dad again?

[A]

It's so hard to, like, summarize it. It's just like. And if you'd asked me this question a year ago, I'd have had a different answer. And then if you'd asked me this question several months ago when we first found out, we were expecting that. I've had, like, each day and each stage has made me more excited for different things and made me view fatherhood differently. I just. I don't know. Like, obviously I love my nieces and nephews and, like, the joy they. They bring to my life. So it's like, it's just. I'm just excited to have that, but I haven't got to give them back to my siblings at the end of the day anymore. Do you know what I mean? It's just going to be like. And the bond I have with my niece and nephew, it's going to be tenfold because I'm going to be the person they come to for support and love and protection and you, of course. Do you know what I mean? So, yeah, I'm just looking to. Looking forward to having that bond and excited about, like, just all the fun we're going to have. It's going to be like having a little bit a mini best friend, another. Another travel companion.

[B]

Yeah, I'm excited to watch you be a girl, dad.

[A]

I'm excited to be a girl, dad. And I'm excited to watch you be a mum as well.

[B]

I just feel like you were made to be a girl, dad.

[A]

So many of my friends have said that. And that's why I found it really funny when people go, ah, you wanted a boy. Daniel's like, no, genuinely I never put it out there before because I didn't want people to think that I would be disappointed if it had been a boy. But, like, I was. I was hoping for a girl the whole time.

[B]

The whole time.

[A]

The whole time.

[B]

The whole. Y' all don't understand. The whole time. It was actually kind of insane how much you would say, I hope it's a girl. Please be a girl.

[A]

Yeah. But then I had. I didn't. Yeah, I had to keep it quiet, though.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay, well, let's move on. Let's. Let's. Let's chat. Perfect match.

[A]

You haven't. Hold on. No, wait, wait. Because I feel like you're asking me all these questions and you haven't answered any of them yourself.

[B]

A little bit. What. What do you want to ask me?

[A]

I don't know. You're the one with the cards.

[B]

Yeah, you take the cards then.

[A]

Well. And ask you the same questions.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You will switch places.

[B]

You want me in the hot seat.

[A]

Yeah, I want you in the hot seat. Because you do too much questioning and you don't answer any questions, you get off scot free. We're gonna switch places. Welcome to a very exciting episode of what's the Reality? With me, your host, Oli Isaac Sutherland. We're doing things a little bit different.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Why not?

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

It's your girl, AD and welcome to another episode of what's the Reality?

[B]

You're so annoying.

[A]

Sorry, sorry, sorry. What does motherhood mean to you?

[B]

Oh, I don't know what it means to me yet, but I think the feelings that I'm feeling are pretty indescribable. I just feel, like, this overwhelming need to protect my daughter, like, from everything. And I'm so scared that her being in here, I can protect her and keep her safe. And then I have to bring her out into this world, and I'm just like, can I put her in a bubble? You seen that movie Bubble Boy?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I just want to put her in a bubble and just keep her safe, but I know I'm not going to be able to do that, and I know that she's going to have, like, such a great dad to protect her.

[A]

And Ollie is a great guy, great.

[B]

Mom to protect her, really. I just want her to be safe and happy. So I think motherhood right now means just keeping her. Keeping her safe.

[A]

Thank you. That was. That was beautiful.

[B]

You're so annoying.

[A]

No, I was gonna. I was gonna say to you, actually, because jokes aside, right.

[B]

Don't ever call me AD Again. That was so gross.

[A]

I'm just being the host. Anyway, jokes aside. Because what I did notice, because it's. It's easy for me when I have time out. Like, I go. I might go to the gym or go see my friends. And it's not that I forget about the fact that, like, we're expecting, but it's easier for me to kind of switch off and be like, just do what I'm doing and getting lost in the moment. But, like, you have. It's easy for me to overlook the fact that you have this constant physical and emotional feet. You're literally carrying the baby at all times. So it's like. I think that's one thing I had to relearn to, like, empathize with you about and sympathize to an extent, is that, like, while it's easy for me to just kind of disconnect, not disconnect deliberately, but like.

[B]

Yeah, it's kind of like, out of sight, out of mind.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Whereas she's like, never out of sight or out of mind for me, ever. Every breath I take, I'm like, baby.

[A]

Yeah. And everything. Everything you're doing, everything you're consuming and everything. Yeah. You're constantly growing her and feeding her. So that's one thing I think as a man, I had to learn to not overlook and. Because sometimes you would do things and I'd be like, is she being a bit, like, hyper reactive? And I'm like, no. Like, I'm not carrying the baby. She is. So of course you're gonna be feeling different. Next question. What are you most excited for when it comes to being a dad? Mum, these cards haven't been updated.

[B]

I. I'm just excited for baby laughs and baby snuggles and just to see the new version of me. Because I already know. I was saying last. Actually, not last night, just a few minutes ago. Like, the old me is already. She's already gone. Like, the minute that I saw positive on that test, I just. That that version of me disappeared, like, just immediately. So I'm excited to see, like, who I'll be when she gets here. And the version of me that is, is Mom. Not Ed, not Amber, Desiree. Just like Mom. I'm excited for that version of me.

[A]

You're a natural. Because this is harder than it looks, really.

[B]

Can we clip that? Anybody? Thank you.

[A]

Now, you are good. You are good at. Because this isn't easy to, like, keep the conversation flowing. Do you know what? We can switch back.

[B]

I think you've had enough.

[A]

Thank you so Much for joining us on this episode of what's the Reality, Y'? All, I will see you next time. I'm better over here.

[B]

Yeah. Anyway, I'm back.

[A]

This is wrapping up.

[B]

Let the professional do her job. Now that you've stalled enough that we, you know, think. Listen, we are going to talk Perfect Match.

[A]

I'm getting. I'm getting my own show eventually. And. And I'm coming for your ratings. I'm not going to lie.

[B]

Coming for my ratings. All right, well, y' all heard it first here, right?

[A]

Let's talk perfect.

[B]

Let's talk Perfect Match. First of all, how are you since all that has aired and everybody told you that they hate you and that you're a fuck boy?

[A]

I. Before we get into that, I do, for the one final time, want to clear up a few things, because I don't mind opinions. I can always take opinions. As long as they're based in reality. I can take opinions and people. Some people are going to think this of me, and some people are going to think that of me, and then everything in between. But what I can't abide is things being said about me that are just demonstrably untrue or things said about us that are demonstrably untrue. So it does. It doesn't really matter that much. It's just more frustration.

[B]

Where are you going with this?

[A]

I just want to. I know you don't care as much, but I. For me, just the frustration. I just want to clear up the chronology. So I've said it before, but I'll say it again. We did not know each other prior to Perfect Match. We had not met. We had not DM'd, FaceTimed or even liked each other. Yes. I made the comment that you'd like, watch my story, and I caught you because you're so pressed, but neither of us followed up on that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And again, it doesn't matter, but it's just like, I feel like I don't like when people are almost trying to take away from the instant chemistry that we genuinely had from meeting each other for the first time, and they go, oh, they must have been dating before. Yeah, they must have at least spoken before. Or they must have met a Netflix pipe. I'm like, my show had only just come out. I hadn't even left the country between filming my show, coming out and coming out to do Perfect Matches, when would we have had a chance to. To interact with? So that didn't happen. But in a way, I take it as a compliment because they're basically trying to say no. This chemistry is so electric.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So soon. They must have had something going on before. But if we had had something going on before, why would I not just admit. Because there was someone from season one that had met previously and they spoke about it. It's not against the rules.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean? So, yeah, just clearing that up. We did not know each other prior to having match. And then the other thing, and I know it's a bit more personal and again, it doesn't really matter, but I just don't like people speculating and thinking because again, for me, it kind of takes away from the reason why we got engaged. I proposed you because I was in love with you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I want to spend the rest of my life with you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that was before we got pregnant. And that. And that again, I shouldn't have to clear this up because it's no one's business. But, like, I don't like people trying to make this assumption that, like, we accidentally got pregnant. So I decided to put a ring on it because it's not the case.

[B]

And even if that was the case.

[A]

Well, yeah, even.

[B]

It doesn't matter.

[A]

Even if it was the case, which it's not, why does it matter? Because there are some people that, you know, are expecting the baby and still and don't even decide to get into a relationship, let alone commit and spend the rest of their lives together. But it's not a story. We. And in fact, you Internet slews can go back and you can even look at our celebration pics from the engagement. And we were drinking wine that night and then we went to a brand trip not long after and we're drinking then. So, like, say what you want about us. We're not going to be. You're not going to be drinking if you're pregnant. So, yeah, hopefully that clears it up because again, I just don't like people trying to take away from our story and I just don't like speculation. Say what you want about what you see and what's real, but the speculation is kind of hurtful. Obviously, I made that stupid joke that time.

[B]

On Live.

[A]

Yeah. But I was literally just. People still don't get my human. That was just a joke and it can't be true because like I say, we got engaged and then pregnant.

[B]

So you mean to tell me when we were on the show and you made the joke about eight months, three weeks.

[A]

That was crazy. I ain't gonna lie. That was crazy. That has been doing people are like, it's been eight months and three weeks and she's pregnant. Yeah. That's incredible.

[B]

12 months pregnant.

[A]

That's. Yeah. That's crazy. I said a lot of stuff on that show, but let's get into the actual show itself. So, I mean, where do I begin?

[B]

Well, tell me how you are post show. Just like mentally, emotionally, because that was a lot.

[A]

Yeah, I think it's different obviously, because last time I said we couldn't even speak about it, could we? Because it hadn't come out. But there was a lot I was already dreading prior to the show coming out because I knew what I did. But it's hard because in a way I'm watching it. I'm kind of sat where the viewers are sitting too. I'm watching it going, this oddly guy's a. Because I'm not that person anymore. So I'm almost looking at as like an out of body experience because. And I know it's hard for people to believe, but I changed so much since then for good reason. So when I'm watching I'm like, I don't do that anymore. I don't speak like that anymore. I don't behave like that anymore.

[B]

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[A]

Obviously there was a couple moments. I'm like, oh, I'm genuinely ashamed of it. But it was more just like kind of cringe and embarrassing because I was just being one of the lads. And it's like that was like my last hurrah as like a single guy and I'm surrounded by these younger guys. So I'm kind of getting caught up in all of that. And at times I was the ringleader. But then, like, that was genuinely like my last moment of that. And then we came off the show, we got serious and I haven't looked back since. Like, I've done a complete 180 on, on all of that behavior.

[B]

And the change was immediate. No, it was going to talk timeline as well. It's like, I think a lot of people would expect for you to come off the show, us to start dating and it just be a bunch of fucking around. Like, you ought to understand, like, as soon as we left Tulum, I was in London just a few weeks later, literally not that long after.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And the shift was almost immediate where.

[A]

It had to be. Yeah. And I spoke about this on a previous interview. I knew that, yeah, I had managed to like, one slip up is one slip up. And that was kind of your attitude to it too. But like, you weren't gonna let me get away with it again. And I didn't want to be putting myself in a position where I had to ask for forgiveness again. So I was like, that was then, this is now. And it's like, I've seen some comments. Oh, but people can't change that fast. I'm like, you really can.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

With the right intentionality and with the right motivation, you can, you can change more in six months than you can in six years with the like. And I use the example to you before. Like, I knew a guy that we went to school together and we like, in the UK you learn languages and like, he'd Been learning Spanish throughout his entire school. So, like, six years worth. Came out of school, couldn't speak a sentence in Spanish, ended up moving to Mexico. And because he was, like, immersed in the language and then he met someone, he, like, basically, like, met his partner. So he had this added motivation to now, like, learn the language. He was fluent within six months. So what I'm saying is, like, you can genuinely change in six months what you fail to do over six years if you've got the right motivation and right drive and you're actually putting the work in. So, yeah, I know it's a bit of a weird analogy, but the point is, it's like it can happen and it does happen, and it did happen.

[B]

So you smartened up quick.

[A]

I did, I did. And I'm. I'm better for it. And don't get wrong, I'm still going to be the same. I'm still going to have, like the same silly, immature sense of humor at times, hence why it gets me in trouble. But, like, when it comes to the real stuff and our relationship, I don't, I don't play about that. And I take it very seriously and I take you very seriously and all of those behaviors are done. So it was. That was. That was almost frustrating thing. If I was still that person watching it, I'd be like, oh, that's. They're seeing me for who I am. But it's like, you'll see me for who I was. But then, I don't know, there were some things I was like, yeah, they got me, like, bang to rights. I did that and it was bad. But there's other parts. I was like, context matters because, like, they didn't. I don't know, like, what? Just, just. I don't know, maybe I don't want to try and excuse anything I did because it's not going to sound right. But I think, okay, here's what I will say, right? And this goes for all the guys and the girls on the show. You're in a very artificial environment. You're in a very. It's not. It's not real life. In real life, you're not dating someone, and then there's 10 other guys that also want to steal your girl, and you're being forced to go on dates with someone else and she's been forced to go on date. That's not real life. So it brings out characteristics of you that aren't real life, if that makes sense. It brings out a different side to you. It's a bit like, again, I'm sorry, I'm doing the analogies. I know how much you hate them, but, like, when you. If you want to see how animals really behave, you go and study them in the wild. You don't go and look at them in a zoo because they're going to exhibit behaviors that aren't normal because they're in an environment that's not their own. And so it's like. Yeah, at times it brought out the worst in me because it's like, you are so influenced. I was so inferenced and you were the influence. I was probably the influencer, but it's like. I don't know. I just think generally, and this goes for all reality shows, I think people need to take it with pinch of salt and give people some grace in that. Like, there's a lot going on that kind of influences how you behave when the camera starts rolling and you get mic'd up.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And obviously, I take full responsibility for what I did because I didn't need to be influenced the way I was, and I still had full autonomy over my own actions, and I chose to behave in ways that were unfavorable. But I don't know. It's not like I was brought on that shot. I don't know. Maybe I shouldn't try and talk it around. I feel like I had a good speech preparedness, kind of just like escaping me.

[B]

You had a speech prepared?

[A]

Not a speech prepared, but it's just like. It's something I thought about over the months because, like, seeing some of the hate I got online was hard.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you know what I mean? And at one point, I was worried it was gonna rock us. But then once we got through that, I knew we could get through anything.

[B]

Yeah. And so much time had already passed when the show aired, and none of watching that was easy or fun. It was actually.

[A]

Well, some of it was. Well, yeah, we have more fun than. We have. More fun than anything.

[B]

Yeah, that. Yeah, we did have more fun. I just personally don't like watching myself on tv. I don't know why I keep signing up for these damn shows. Because I don't like watching myself on tv.

[A]

She's lying.

[B]

I don't.

[A]

She's going on repeat now. I'm joking. I know what you mean. But, like, for the most part, it was like the best summer of my life and I met you. Do you know what I mean? So it's like. But, yeah, I don't know. It's hard. It's hard. It's hard.

[B]

I feel like you want to say something, you look.

[A]

So I'm always like, there's the things I want to say, but then it's like, I don't want it to come across the wrong way. But it's just like. Not that this makes it any better, I suppose, but what I'm getting at is when I was picked for that, when I got the call for that show, I knew they had seen me on Love is Blind. It's not there going, oh, we're gonna get this guy on to be the wholesome, sweet guy that's going to get married. That wasn't my role in the show. They brought me on to be another, like, similar to Louis. Do you know, I mean, come in there and cause trouble. And I played up to her. And that's. That's on. That's on me. Because I kind of was giving the producers what they expected of me and then some. I should have been smart and been.

[B]

Like, you know, would they cast me.

[A]

To be for you? I think it was more. Obviously, you were a fan favorite anyway, but I think it was more like a second chance at love. And, like, put this way, the. What. The reason they. They cast me was different to the reason they cast Freddie. We're chalking cheese in. In that regard, but cheese, that's like a UK saying something. We're very different. You know what I mean? It makes sense. People. Some people know what I'm talking about, but what I'm saying is, like. And that's why Freddie wasn't shown in that way, and he didn't behave in that way, and he was never expected to behave in that way.

[B]

Yeah. And again, you were like, you want boy? I'm gonna give you kind of.

[A]

Yeah. And they amp you up as well. Again, I'm not sure. I don't know, like, lift the curtain too much.

[B]

Blame it on production. Another one.

[A]

Blame and pronounce. But when you're walking in there going, whose house is it? What are you gonna do? And I was like, it's my house. It's my house. What are you gonna do when you get in there? Maybe help myself to some drinks. No, you're gonna go in there and you're gonna. Oh, okay. Like, that's on me, though, for giving them what they. They wanted and then some, like I said. But I don't know. Like I say, it's just. It's a weird environment and it brings out a weird side of you because. Yeah.

[B]

Was there anything that they. That didn't make it on the show that you Wish they had aired.

[A]

Just like, again, they're only going to show either the most dramatic moments or the funniest moments or the wildest moments. And that was very prevalent because we did have some very dramatic and. And funny times. But there was also, like, some really, like I was saying earlier, some really mundane times between the two. Two of us where we just sat in the room just having really, like, normal human interactions and really, like, wholesome conversations. And I get. That's not going to make it to air. Because it's not. It's gonna.

[B]

We were already naming our babies until.

[A]

Yeah. But not the real ones. Well, let's not get into that. But like. And even just some. Some of the interactions with, like, the other guy as well.

[B]

Just in the challenge that got cut out.

[A]

The challenge. Can we talk about that? Are we allowed to talk about that? Okay, so there was a whole challenge that we won. They didn't make it to.

[B]

We won two challenges.

[A]

So we won two challenges. But, like, they only showed one, which is. But it was annoying. The one that they cut out was my favorite one.

[B]

Yeah. Because it was like, again, another compatibility, and we got to go on a bachata date.

[A]

Yes. And I was really annoyed.

[B]

I was so high.

[A]

I want to know if they. If there's some hidden archives of that. I want to see that, because that was. Although, that being said, let me see it before it goes out, because I don't know how. How bad a dancer I was. I need to see it first. But that was a lot of fun. That really broke the ice. And that was, like. That date there was really, like. That took us to another level of, like, just being comfortable around each other. I think so. Yeah. It's a shame it'll make it to air, but there's so much that doesn't make it to air. And I think anyone who's ever done reality TV is always going to come away a little bit, like, surprised or frustrated at what does get shown compared to what doesn't get shown. There was things that got shown. I was like, I don't remember saying that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then there was other moments. I was like, what? They're not gonna show that.

[B]

There's a lot of moments where they show me, like, laughing and giggling, and I'm like, you're really not that funny.

[A]

No, that was. If anything, they played that down. If anything, they played that right down. Yeah.

[B]

What has it been like navigating Perfect Match, airing as a couple, and dealing with all the commentary, opinions, reactions coming out about everything.

[A]

Yeah. Obviously that was tough. There was, there was one, like, week span where it was literally every morning I was waking up and having to like, sift through some, some terrible comments about myself. And, but, and I've spoken before. Like, when I did the, when I did Love is Blind, I didn't delete comments, I didn't block people. But now I'm like, nah, you can get deleted and blocked in a, in a heartbeat because I've got more to protect now. I've got a wife and kid to protect and like, more of a relationship to trying to preserve. And the more negativity that seeps in, the harder it gets to, to face the public kind of thing. And I use this analogy to you before. It's like if someone comes and spray paints some abusive word on your front door, you're not just going to leave it there and be like, well, freedom of speech, Nah, this is my house. I'm going to take it down and it's my page. I'm going to remove your comments and block you. So you can't do it again. If you want to go and chat shit about me on a, on a forum, I can't stop that. But it's hard and it's difficult because, but the way, the way I've been able to reconcile it and get over it is like, kind of what I've spoken about before. It's like I've watched the, I've watched reality. We still watch reality TV now. And I've, you know, you do get emotionally invested in characters, but I've never been so incensed that I thought, I need to find this person's social media and leave an abusive comment. So that tells me a lot about the person that's leaving those comments. I remember, like, and even just the way they do it, like, because honestly, I can honestly say I can count on probably two, maybe three hands the amount of abusive DMS I've ever received. But compared to the comments I received, that's like in the hundreds, if not thousands, right? And that tells me they're not just doing it to try and make a point to you, they're trying to humiliate you. They're trying to. And they're trying to get other people to chime in and jump in. And again, that says a lot about the people making those comments.

[B]

And we'll get like a comment and we'll see it at the same time. Like, we'll be on our phones and we'll look at each other like this, I got this. And I'm like, Babe, no, like, absolutely no more time.

[A]

I'll just delete, block and delete.

[B]

Yeah, the less.

[A]

Yeah, the less.

[B]

In the beginning, you were trolling back.

[A]

If I can think of something funny to say, I will get. I will get them back. Because. But yeah, for the most part, it's just like, you know if someone's trying to call you a certain name and say, oh, you're a terrible person, or you're a piece of this and you're a scumbag, and it's like, but you're calling me all these names. What does that make you? Say what you want about me. I've never gone to someone's page and cussed them out and said horrible things about their relationship or their appearance or their intelligence. So it's like, say what you want about me. I'm not the one going out here trying to online bully people.

[B]

Yeah, you know what? My favorite comment is?

[A]

Gone.

[B]

I just. Something about him, I just don't trust him.

[A]

Don't trust me then. You ain't in a relationship with me. I don't care if you trust me. You don't know me.

[B]

You trust strangers anyway. Why would you trust him?

[A]

You got no reason to trust me.

[B]

There's something about him. I just don't trust them. And I'm like, like, I don't trust your husband. I don't know him.

[A]

It's like, don't trust strangers. Ollie is a walking red flag. I'm like, what, did you come up that all by yourself? That's so original. Oh, my God, dude, you should get a book deal. You're so good with your word. It's like, we've been here before.

[B]

It's like, you guys don't even know my honey.

[A]

But it's like, you know, because the other thing I was going to say is, it's like. And that is silly because, yeah, I'm not for you. You know, I mean, and there's some people that might look at your partner and think, I don't like that person, or they're not for me. It's great you're in a relationship with them and it's like, that's okay. But yes, it is a bit sad because, like, it doesn't really get to me. I've genuinely. The good thing about it is, like, once you've seen five abusive comments, you've seen them all. And then you do get thick skin to it and it genuinely doesn't bother you anymore. But I think it is sad because. And I. Here I come with the analogy Again, Right.

[B]

Oh, man, we need an analogy count.

[A]

Yeah, we do. But, like, I'm bulletproof to it, genuinely. So when I see these comments, it's like, bear with me. Imagine if I go, I've got. Have I done this one you before? The. The Batmobile analogy. Okay, cool. Strap in. Imagine if I've got, like, a Batmobile. Think like Dark Knight, the new one, the big rugged one. Yeah. And it's like bulletproof, fireproof, and it's wrapped in vinyl that can't scratch or be dented. Like, it's literally. It cannot be damaged whatsoever. If I was driving that Batmobile through LA and there's some thugs on the side of the road throwing bricks and pipes and bottles, in my mind, I'm like, okay, I'm cool, because they can't damage my car. They can't get to me, but it doesn't stop me from looking and going, that's kind of sad that you're doing that. That's worrying that you're doing that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's kind of how I see the negative comments. It's like, yeah, you don't get to me. You don't bother me, you don't hurt me, and you're not going to affect my relationship. But it makes me almost like, despair at the state of the world that that's what people are choosing to do with their spare time. You don't know me, but you've gone out of your way to find me on social media to try and abuse me, and that says more about you than it does about me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then also the other worrying thing is that, yeah, I'm in the Batmobile. You can't damage my car, but it might be someone in the car behind. Because those people that abuse you online, it's not the first time they've done it. They've done it to another reality star and they'll do it to someone else again, and it might get to them and it might break them and it might affect their mental health. So I do think we need to kind of like, have a wider conversation about the online abuse of public figures generally, because it's not okay. And I said to you before, I've come to any expect it, but I will never accept it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because it's not okay. It's like, you wouldn't do that in real life. In real life, if you worked with someone in the office that you didn't get on with, you wouldn't go up to their desk every day and go, this is why I don't like you, you just stay out of their way. You would just give them a wide berth. So why can't people do the same thing to the reality stars or public figures? They don't, like, just don't go on their pages.

[B]

And I mean, yeah, I think the beautiful thing is now that the show has kind of gone behind us and like the people that have stuck around that give us nothing but love.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

And like, adoration for our relationship and like, they're rooting for us. Those people are louder. Way louder.

[A]

Way louder.

[B]

And like, it's so like, those first few weeks when your show comes out is, like, very scary. But after that, they fall off, another show comes out and they find another victim.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's the people that love us. They stick around and they root for us. And those are the people that I'm so grateful for.

[A]

And that is a good point. I do want to say that because I don't. I wouldn't want anyone who does leave nice comments to think that we.

[B]

That we don't see it.

[A]

Yeah, we don't see it because we're too busy fighting off the people that leave negative comments. Comments. Because like I say, especially recently, like you said when, when we posted the wedding pics, it was 99.9 positive. And then the occasional idiot that's got something to say. But, like, I don't want anyone to be under any illusion that we don't see your lovely comments. And just because we can't, like, we had, like, what, 12, 000 comments on the last one. We can't read. Physically read them all, and we haven't got time to respond to all of them. But I promise you, we do see you. We do feel the love, and we do genuinely, really appreciate it. So, like, I don't want people to think that. That the. The negative comments take away from the positive because they really don't. And it's. Yeah. And I think I've got to remind myself sometimes to pay more mind to the people that are being positive because it's not fair on them that I'm responding to this idiot, whoever, he's got something to say. When there's people over here who are wishing us well and giving us love. But I've said it before. One of my favorite sayings is what Sally says about Susan says more about Sally than it does about Susan. In other words, if you're the kind of person that spends your free time and your. Your mom's wi fi abusing people you've never met, that Says more about you than it ever will about me. Because. But, you know, I mean, like. Because who does that? Like, the people that I hang out with, love and respect, don't do that. Like, if one of my friends called me, was like, oh, you ain't gonna believe what I did today. Oh, what'd you do? Was leaving somebody on Instagram? Yeah. I'd be like, you're a loser. Like, we're not friends. That's not the kind of people I want to be around. So that's how I reconcile it.

[B]

But what would you say is your biggest takeaway from Perfect Match?

[A]

Biggest takeaway? That one. Agiri Place. The Pokemon.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

That was a dad joke. See, I'm getting ready. I'm getting ready. That was good food, though. But, yeah, now my biggest takeaway. Do you know what's so crazy? At the beginning of that show, you know when they did your first interviews and you do this standard interviews, like, who you are and just sort of some background questions, and at the end, they. The guy said, oh, is there anything else you want to just say that we haven't asked you, but you just want to put out there? And I was like, nah. And he's like, okay, switch off the camera. And I went, actually, no, there is. He went, yeah. And he was like, fired up the camera again. I said, I don't know why this has come to me. It's almost like I had a premonition about how it was going to go, but I didn't because I could feel myself being really silly and boyish and like Jack the Ladish in the. Like Jack the Lad again. It's like a UK saying. It means you're a bit of like a kind of like a frat boy, almost. No, I'm saying, okay, it doesn't matter. Anyway, my point is, I was being that guy and I. And I could feel like I was almost playing up to the cameras. And I got. And I. The thing that I said when. I said. When they said, is there anything else you want to add? I said, I'm wondering when it's time to put that to bed. I'm wondering when is my time to be like, actually, now here's the real me. And there is someone who actually wants.

[B]

To be serious that's somewhere on film.

[A]

Well, yeah, they got it, but I was. I couldn't believe they didn't put it on air because I thought that was so pertinent to my journey that I thought it would surely make it to air. But again, they can't they can't put everything in, and I don't blame them for it, but it's just like that. It was so prophetic. Do you know what I mean? Because it was like, there was me about to embark on this journey where I was going to play the fool and be an idiot and do all these things, and it's entertainment and, you know. Yeah, I'm sure they're glad I did it, but, like, it's crazy to me that I had this moment where I was actually, like, ruminating on whether or not that was something that was going to hold me in good stead for the future or ever. Something I needed to put to bed and then end up kind of playing out that, like, I went right the other way.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And acted up, and it made me realize that I needed to go right the other way in order to. To go where I want to go. But, yeah, my biggest takeaway would just be. I don't know. I don't know. And the thing is very easy to go, like, oh, what would you do differently when you go back? But, like, we don't have that superpower to. To go back and do things differently. It's kind of. It's kind of paradoxical to go, what would you do if you had this knowledge back then?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because you don't have it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Sorry, I'm rambling. I know I am.

[B]

But that's okay.

[A]

I don't know. It's. It's. This has been such a. A much bigger journey than Love Is Blind ever could have been, because the journey's still kind of ongoing, so to speak. Yeah. It was a wild time, but I don't regret it, obviously. Do you know what I mean? Like, and you know what? There's certain things that I wish I'd done differently, but I didn't. So all I can do is adjust how I am going forward.

[B]

Things specifically you wish you had done differently.

[A]

You actually want me to get into.

[B]

Maybe one thing, Jazz.

[A]

You want me to get into that, obviously, I wish I'd never lied to you.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

Of course. Okay. And like I say, that's the one thing that we can. We can talk about context and influence from the producers and all of that all day long, I want to say, under no uncertain terms. Is there any excuse for me lying to you? Is there any circumstances where it was okay for me to lie to you about that? It was disrespectful, and I said, this is the thing. I said it all the time, and I can't say much clearer than I. I did. It was cowardly, it was selfish, it was manipulative, it was wrong, and it was disrespectful, and that's why I haven't done it since. And, yeah, it was a stupid thing that I did in the moment. And again, there's no context which makes that morally permissible, but it's what I did at the time. And, you know, when I was caught out in it, I came clean. And then we move forward and. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was a tough. That was a tough watch. It was a tough watch. And it was tough knowing that I was about to watch that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you know what I mean? But the other stuff, it's like.

[B]

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[B]

Going, I'm repeating myself.

[A]

It's like, and I spoke about this in a recent interview where a lot of comments, and I think even you think this sometimes it's like, my apologies can seem quite cold because I don't go, oh, I'm so sorry. Because I feel like when you start crying in those kind of heightened moments, I think it can come across emotionally manipulative. And I never want my tears to, like, distract from the situation. So I'm like, listen, I'm not going to put, put emotion into. I'm going to be matter of fact, what I did was wrong. It was stupid. It was this, it was that. And here's what I'm going to do to remedy it. I know you don't believe me at the time, but at this very moment. But give me time and you'll see, I'll put. I'll put words into action. And I did. And that's one thing that I love about our relationship. And I said this on when I was last here. It's like everything we've ever said we're going to do, we've set out and done it and. Yeah, and that includes the promises I've made to you.

[B]

Yeah. You've kept all your promises, every single one of them. I love you so much.

[A]

I love you, too.

[B]

Let's talk a bit about our relationship as if we haven't already. But, like, specifically, how has your definition of love changed since we got together?

[A]

Yeah, 100%. And I alluded to this earlier and kind of briefly touched upon it earlier. It's like I'd heard people talking about, like, oh, marry your best friend. And I'm like, no, I've got a best friend. Why would I want to marry my best friend? Do you get what I'm saying? But, like, I really do feel that, because you do get to a point where it's like, obviously you still have the passion, the romance and all of those things, but it's like, it can't be that every single day. And even, like, when you're pregnant and when there's kids involved, which there is going to be soon, you're not always going to have time for date night every Wednesday, like people online say you should have. And my advice to people would be, like, not lower your expectations, but change your perspective into thinking love isn't always going to be rose petals and candles and. And, like, sweeping someone off their feet the minute they walk in the door. And this kind of thing is. It's. More often than not, it's just like a sleepover with your best friend. And I love that part of it, and I love it more than I ever realized I could love it because I was so. I would. If you. How do I word this? If you'd have described where we're at now, like, a year ago, I'd have been like, oh, that sounds like they're on the decline. Do you get what I'm saying? Because. But it's not. You're actually on the incline because, like, when you get into that moment where you haven't got to keep, when you get past that stage where you need the fancy dates and you need the flowers and the candles and the. All of that intensity to impress one another, you're actually in a beautiful stage where, like I say, you're just best friends because that's. You're going to be with this person for the rest of your life, ideally. So why would you want it to be anything other than just like a best friend that you do life with.

[B]

And it's like more of a routine. Like, I still get flowers, of course we're still going on dates.

[A]

My florist loves me, by the way. My flores loves to see me coming. Tell you.

[B]

But yeah, it's just different. It's different. And like I said earlier, it's just more. More stable, more grounded, less feeling like, I don't know, like first date vibes and more like, okay, my person, my human, my man is here. It just. I don't know, just. It's a really, really good feeling. Really relaxing, calm feeling to be in love with you and to be your wife.

[A]

Thank you, babe. I feel that the same way.

[B]

Yeah, you're welcome.

[A]

But I feel like, yeah, I've let my guard down with you more than I ever have of anyone. Where we are just like. Like I say, just city best friends for the most part. And I was worried that doing that meant again, you're almost like letting the mask slip in a bad way.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But it's not. It's like if you can be comfortable being that, that person with your partner, then that's when you're in a really good place. So that's. That's how my view on love has changed. It's like, it's kind of more simple than I think a lot of people actually want it to be or think it should be.

[B]

What do we hope people take away from our story? I want to go. Go, because I've been getting a lot of DMs recently from, like, people that are like, AD. I just want to thank you for, like, not giving up on love and continuing to be a hopeless romantic and always, like, knowing that this was for you. And I just want to say, like, that is one of the best things that has kept me above water in my love journey is like, not never giving up. Like, I just knew that my person was here and I knew that I deserved love. And I just want to encourage anyone out here, like, if you're going through heartbreak or like, go through it, get through it. But don't give up up on love because you deserve love and your person will find you and you will find your person. And I've been getting so many dms, like, thank you for not giving up thing. And I'm just like, I didn't give up and I'm. I'm glad I didn't.

[A]

That's beautiful. Yeah, I love that.

[B]

Thanks.

[A]

What was the actual question?

[B]

What do you hope people Take away from our story.

[A]

I think you summed up well, I mean, I don't know what, what more I would add to that. I think. I don't know. I've got to be careful because I want to get misconstrued. But what I would tell people to take away from my story is that like a bump doesn't mean that the journey ends. That's what. Again, I think people are too quick to pull the plug at the first sign. Don't get wrong. There are certain things that are completely inexcusable and there's no going back from. But I don't think given that we'd only know each other for a very short amount of time, literally like days when we encountered our first issues and we were under a very specific context where we being. We will be encouraged to explore other connections and act a certain way. And like I say it was a very artificial environment. That's what I would tell anyone to take away from this. Like, if you, if you're serious about this person. Okay, a little something happened here. Keep going. Do you know what I mean? And it's like, that doesn't mean put up with completely like reprehensible behavior. That's, that's, that's a whole different thing. But like, I think people are too quick to go red flag. It's like maybe, maybe an amber flag, like maybe an orange flag. You know, I mean, but like, or maybe something to, to be wary of if it comes up again. But for the most part, what people call red flags aren't. It's just like human nature to agree, especially in the early stages. There was something else I wanted to say.

[B]

Don't think that's a valid point.

[A]

Yeah, I think that's what I would tell, tell people to. But you spoke about this before as well. It's like it's a choice. Like being with your person is a choice. It's not always gonna. It's like you, you look at one another and go, she's not perfect. I'm not perfect. But this is the person I'm choosing and this is the person I'm going to choose to keep working with. And it shouldn't. It should never feel like a struggle. It should never feel like a battle. But at the same time it also isn't going to be like 100, 100 smooth all the time. And obviously you. There needs to be like a certain level. I don't want to do another analogy, but I'm really tempted.

[B]

No, let's skip it.

[A]

Okay, but what I'm saying is there's a certain amount of, like, every day, not every day. Like, every now and then, a couple arguments here and there that are going to be normal, and they're going to annoy you from time to time. That's not a red flag. That's just human nature. And the thing is, I think people get confused and think, oh, well, my best friend doesn't know me like this. It's because you don't live with your best friend. If you lived with your best friend or your. Or if you still live with your sibling or your mom or your dad or whatever, they'd drive you up the wall from time to time, and you'd probably want to move out. But you don't know that because you don't spend that much time with them. You're spending as much time as you are with your partner. They're gonna annoy you from time to time. That's not a red flag.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You chosen this person. Just keep going through.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because someone is so beautiful on the other side. And those. Those. Those arguments and those little growing pains, they become less and less because you. You become more in sync with one another.

[B]

Yeah, for sure. I agree. I like that, like, the whole red flag culture is, like, it's got crazy. It is. I'm not saying red flags don't exist. They do, and we need to see them and acknowledge them. But just know what is a red flag for you and know what is a red flag that you saw on TikTok and someone told you was not acceptable?

[A]

Well, I'm pretty. I'm pretty sure the term red flag initially, in terms of this context originally came around when it was about spotting, like, abuse or narcissism. Like, and it was like, actual red flags. Like, oh, if you see this, you're in danger. If you see this, this could be a rule.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Omen for some. Some seriously detrimental behavior down the line. It's not, oh, he only gets a haircut every three weeks. Red flag. Or she doesn't like to rinse the dishes before she puts in dishwasher. Red flag. Like, that's the stupid stuff. And I think people need to recognize the difference between, like, just differences of lifestyle or differences of opinion and red flag because it's become. The words become so overused and diluted and watered down.

[B]

Yeah. Shall we play the Newlywed Game?

[A]

Oh, God. Is there a winner? Is there, like a. Is it like that?

[B]

No.

[A]

Okay, let's play it. Let's play it.

[B]

So I'm gonna read questions and we have to answer and see if our questions match up.

[A]

All right, go on.

[B]

Okay. Who said I love you first?

[A]

I did. I did. Yeah.

[B]

Where?

[A]

Ah. Don't make me tell the story.

[B]

Why?

[A]

Oh, God. All right. No, I don't want to tell this. All right, cool.

[B]

I will make it the sweet version.

[A]

Well, the funny thing was, obviously you. That was the first time you were coming to London to visit me, and I had already booked Paris for your birthday. And in my head, I was like, I love this girl, but I'm not gonna. I don't. Like, I'm gonna tell her at the right time. I'm gonna tell her when we're underneath the Eiffel Tower or something like that. Like, I had this. This whole thing planned of when I was going to tell you and how I was going to tell you, or like, I had a few scenarios of I'll wait until the time's right, but then we hadn't seen each other for a few weeks, obviously, post show. And then I saw you at the. At the lounge in the airport, and I hugged you. And it just. It just came out. And it was like, in a way that was more beautiful than, like, the way I planned it, because it's like it.

[B]

I almost couldn't hold it in that day. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Do you know? I mean, it felt less contrived and less orchestrated than me saying it, like, oh, here's the right spot. And then I say it, you know, I mean, it's just like, I can't even hold this in anymore. And I don't want you to go a further. A minute longer without knowing how I really feel. And that's what it was. And obviously she said it back.

[B]

Yes, I did.

[A]

Yeah. It was a beautiful moment. Yeah.

[B]

It was so random because I was in the. The lounge waiting for him to come get me. And the lady at the desk came over. She was like, your driver's here. And I was like, my driver?

[A]

Yeah. And I was like. I was wearing a hoodie. I was like, how many drivers do you think turned up looking like this?

[B]

And I went around the corner, and he was standing there. I was like, oh, my God.

[A]

Yeah, that was hilarious.

[B]

And we just hugged. And then he's just like, I love you. And I was like, I love you, too.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay, next. Who made the first move? You.

[A]

Depends what you mean by the first move.

[B]

Oh, I recognize you.

[A]

Leave it out. Oh, my God. It's Ollie. Ollie's coming through the as we. You're forgetting we saw you not Ali. We all saw you. I recognize you. I did recognize you. Recognize my online stalker.

[B]

Okay. So I would say you made the first move.

[A]

I genuinely couldn't. I genuinely don't think there's an answer for that. I genuinely think it was so mutual. Like, we were so both into one another.

[B]

You know what? I will say I probably did, because I remember when you walked in and then you said you recognized me, and I was, like, excited to see you. Cause I was like, man, he's just. And then I was talking to Sandy, and I was like, sis, I can't even. Like, I can't even talk to you right now. And I literally had to walk over, and I was like, you want a drink?

[A]

Yeah, you did do that. But to be fair, I had already, like, from before that. I was like, yep, yeah, that's me.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So, yeah, I'd say it was mutual.

[B]

Okay, bet. What's your partner's love language?

[A]

I think what you would say is. Or what you think is. Is different to what it actually is.

[B]

What I think your love language is.

[A]

What you think my love language is? Yeah, I think yours is.

[B]

Is this the way you show love or receive love?

[A]

The way you receive it.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

I think it was his physical touch. I don't know. It could be gift giving, but at the same time, I feel like. I think. Because I think people's can change over time, depending on who they're with and stuff. But I feel like there's a difference between in theory and practice. In practice, I think the things that mean the most to you are physical touch and quality time. What do you think they are for you?

[B]

I think you're right about. They do change over time, because physical touch. I would have never. That would have never been on my list. But now I'm like, if you don't cuddle me or hold me or. I think that we're all.

[A]

It's ridiculous.

[B]

Physical touch. I really don't truly know. I need them all. Give me all of them. I think you are.

[A]

Well, how? Receive or give.

[B]

Yeah, receive. I think words of affirmation.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Quality time.

[A]

I wouldn't have said that one, but go on.

[B]

What would you have said?

[A]

I would have said words, Affirmation and physical touch.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I don't know, but I hear what you're saying.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I think everyone likes all of them. It's just in varying degrees.

[B]

Okay. What's your partner's go to comfort food right now?

[A]

Oh, boy. We got to talk about the turkey burgers. Oh, right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The fact that okay, this is a true story, right? We went in. We went into. I won't name the chain because I don't know if we're allowed to get. Get into licensing and all that, but we went into this particular burger chain that we've been. No, let me tell you. Before that, we got into the car, and, you know, most GPS will be like, you're 10 minutes from home. Actually, I'll just name the chain. He said, eight minutes to fat burger. I said, babe, something's got to change. That can't. They can't. That can't be the GPS's first suggestion. And then we went there, like, a couple days later, and the guy looked at you, went, turkey burger. I was like, oh, God, we've been in here too much. Yeah. And then the maddest part. This is absolutely true. He's preparing the burger. We had to sat down, and he went.

[B]

Amber and I go, did you tell him my name?

[A]

I was like, no, you've been in here too much. This is getting embarrassing.

[B]

So right now, I'm loving it.

[A]

Yeah, that's a pregnancy craving for sure, because you weren't even. You didn't even really eat meat when I first met you. There you go. What's my comfort food?

[B]

Thai food. You love a nice, warm Thai. I do love a noodle, a rice. Yeah. You love a good Thai meal.

[A]

I like a curry. In general.

[B]

You do love a curry. Yeah, that'll shut you up. What's your partner's guilty pleasure? TV show? Anything where the husband is murdering the wife. Like, he loves a murder dog.

[A]

I do, like, a crime documentary, a murder doc.

[B]

Crime doc.

[A]

I have to, like. What's the word? Tactfully choose when I watch it. Cause you don't like them. So I have to wait till you go to bed or wait till you're out. And I get to have a spree on them.

[B]

I'm in the nursery folding clothes, and I hear Jonathan almost got away with murdering Susie. But I'm like, what's going on?

[A]

I don't know. Why? Was that the crime book?

[B]

Yeah. What's mine?

[A]

Real Housewives of Somewhere, Right? Jesus. When I see that. Come on. I have to leave right now.

[B]

Potomac.

[A]

Oh, boy. When I see that, that's when I'm.

[B]

That's when Wendy's free now. She went to jail, her and her husband. Anyway, who will spoil the baby more?

[A]

You. And we need to have a serious talk about this. Because, like, the whole spoiling thing, it's not cute. Like, it's cute, but it's not cute. Like, there needs to be an actual line where it's like, nah. Now it's actually, you're spoiling the child. Do you know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah. And the thing about it is, like, I think. I think I hear you, but I'm not hearing you.

[A]

No. I think, joke aside, you're trying to be funny.

[B]

I'm not.

[A]

I think you're actually. I think you'll get to the point where.

[B]

No, no, no, I won't.

[A]

Because if it gets to the point when the. The child's attitude changes, that's not fun. Do you know what I mean? We'll talk on camera. There's a. It's called spoiling for a reason.

[B]

I'm spoiled.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

It's your fault and I regret it.

[A]

So therefore I'm saying, listen.

[B]

So you think you're not going to spoil her now?

[A]

No.

[B]

Okay, we'll run it back.

[A]

Obviously, I wanted to have a good life, of course, but, like, there's a difference between, like. Yeah, I just. I just don't.

[B]

I'll do my job. I'll do the spoiling.

[A]

Okay. It's saying someone, oh, that person, they're really spoiled. Is that a compliment?

[B]

Sometimes.

[A]

No, it ain't. Sometimes you've met people go, oh, I really like that girl. She's. You can tell she's spoiled. No.

[B]

If it doesn't end in brat. Like, she's a spoiled brat.

[A]

If you're spoiled. If you're spoiled, you're a brat.

[B]

That's. What are you saying about me? Who's more nervous about changing diapers?

[A]

Me. But not. I'm. I'm welcoming the challenge, though. I can't wait.

[B]

Why are you nervous about changing diapers?

[A]

I've never done it before. I've done it once for one of my nieces years ago.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, I mean, like, I only had one little, little sister growing up, and she was only three years younger than me, so I never. Whereas you got siblings that were, like, considerably younger than you, so you kind of did the big sister thing, like, almost like auntie thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just never. I've never redone it. So it's going to be a learning curve, but a fun learning curve.

[B]

You're nervous, though.

[A]

Not nervous. It's not like. You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Someone say nervous, but if they. If. If anyone was more nervous out of the two of us, it would be me.

[B]

Yeah. Okay.

[A]

Lack of experience.

[B]

Who's the better cook?

[A]

You.

[B]

Thank you. Who's messier around the house? Think of the state of our home right now.

[A]

You. You a hundred percent. 100. I hate to say it, but I do a lot of cleaning up after you. The place would be worse if I didn't pick up after you. But you get a pass because I specifically said. When you got pregnant, I said, I don't want you lifting a finger, like. Yeah.

[B]

And I don't.

[A]

You get a pass on that. You get a pass on that because it. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Thank you.

[A]

It's okay.

[B]

I. Sometimes I'll sit on the couch and I'll be like, I'll eat at the table, and then I'll get up, leave my plate and stuff, and then I'll go sit on the couch and I go. My husband loves cleaning up after me.

[A]

Yeah, he loves it now. But like I said, you get a pass because I wouldn't want you. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

No manual labor for you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. And if our relationship were a TV show, what would the title be?

[A]

I don't know. Dumb and Dumber. Beauty and the Beast? I don't know. I can't think of anything. I don't know. What would you say?

[B]

Dumb and Dumber is wrong.

[A]

I don't know. Just what would you say? Because I know that people love to come up, like.

[B]

You know, I don't know. I have no idea.

[A]

We'd have to play on, like, the UK Us thing somehow. I don't know.

[B]

We'll think about it, because we have to. Anyway, speaking of future plans, what's next for you, Ollie? What are you currently working on that you want to share with the listeners?

[A]

I do want to get my voice out there more, so I do want to explore the possibility of doing some kind of, like, presenting or maybe like, my own podcast or something. I know there's certain people don't think great, and there's good. Certain people think, I don't want to hear this guy's voice, but we'll see how it goes, because I enjoy it, you know, I mean, I enjoy talking to people. And I think, like, this show is so amazing, and what you've done has been so incredible in terms of, like, it's become, like, in such a short amount of time, it's become a safe space where, like, women have actually sought you out and said, I want to come and tell this news, and I only want to say it to you for the first time, and you become that, like, real soft place for women to, like, unload some of their. Their troubles and their woes.

[B]

Oh, honey.

[A]

But I don't feel like I still Feel like there's a slight. And don't get wrong. The male gets guests that, come on, are very comfortable with you, too. But I still feel like there's a gap in the market, so to. So to speak, for, like, a men's base, like the equivalent of what you're doing, but for men. Do you get what I'm saying? Like, I think. I think for some reason it takes men. Well, I think we all know it takes a lot more for men to open up. It takes a different kind of environment for men to open up, and I think men are naturally going to be more comfortable opening up to men. So I would like to do something similar to what you're doing, but the male version, do you know? I mean, the male equivalent, where it's like, there's a guy, because guys go through it, too. Do you know what I mean? Like, we don't come off of reality TV unscathed or through life generally unscathed, but, like, there's still that stigma about guys not opening up as much as they should do. And I would like to create a platform where men generally can, because when I. When I have heard men going. Telling the world they're going through it, it makes it easier for me to go, oh, okay, like, do you know what I mean? Like, some of my favorite MMA fighters, for example, admitted that, like, oh, before every fight, I was. I would cry or throw up or I was terrified, and you go, oh, these. You know, I mean. Or like, when they talk about some of their emotions and stuff like that, and it's like, yeah, I would like to maybe create a platform. I still haven't quite got it ready in my head, but, like, yeah, and.

[B]

I could see that for you because you've been so vulnerable these past few weeks, and even in some of your most recent interviews, you've been very open and, like, honest with people about, like, mental health, what it's like being in a relationship now, being married. Like, you've been very open and honest, and I think is kind of starting a new wave of, like, let's drop that macho masculinity. And, like, let's talk about, like, if this is the route you want to take in your future, like, let's talk about how to get there and what to do and how to leave that old Persona behind and be. And I think you're a great example for how to be the man that you want to be and the man that people expect to see, especially now that you're about to be a dad. And I Think the example that you're leading by would be amazing to see on.

[A]

Thank you. That means a lot. Yes. I want to explore that. I still want to keep it fun and entertaining because that's always going to be me. But, like, there is a more serious side to me that people haven't got to see yet, and a more intelligent side of me, dare I say it, that people haven't got to see, because I have been. I wouldn't say I've been playing a role, but, like, I've been leaning into a sillier version of me that people have not got to see the real version of me. And, yeah, I want to be able to exit both. So we'll see. We'll see what happens.

[B]

Okay, so what's next for us as a couple?

[A]

Nothing.

[B]

Parenting.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, we need to take some time off. You need to go on maternity leave. You're such a hard worker, and we love. Both of us love being busy, but if there ever was a time to slow down and just be at home.

[B]

It'S now with one another.

[A]

Because I'm gonna be funny. It's at that point now. I don't want to give it dates away because we've always been quite private about that. But, like, anytime you're, like, in the other room and I just hit, oh, I'm like, oh, it's time. It's time. It's about to happen. Then you're like, oh, no, I just. I just fell off the bed or something.

[B]

I'm like, okay, just fell off the bed after accurate.

[A]

Just rolled over and lost your balance. But, yeah, like, it's really getting to that time now where I'm like, I'm kind of scared to leave your side, just in case. You know what I mean? So, yeah, I think in terms of what's next for us, we're gonna go quiet for a little bit and enjoy our time, enjoy our privacy. But we'll be back.

[B]

Privacy.

[A]

Privacy. We invented the language privacy. This is not for debate.

[B]

It's privacy.

[A]

It is.

[B]

Anyways.

[A]

Yeah, I think it's good. We're gonna go quiet for a little bit, but we'll be back. Back. And whatever. In whatever capacity we come back, it'll be fun, It'll be exciting. It'll be on our terms. And, yeah, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'll be back. We'll both be back. But, yeah, I just can't wait to have some alone time with family. All the whole family, the three of us. And Then gonna have some family coming out and visit and meet our little girl.

[B]

And that's.

[A]

That's the thing I'm most excited about, like, right now, nothing else really matters.

[B]

I love you.

[A]

I love you more.

[B]

I don't want to wrap this up, but I feel like we've been.

[A]

I'm having a great time, but they're pretty good. Can we go home? But. Yeah.

[B]

But thank you again for coming to. What's the reality?

[A]

I'm always here anyway, by the way, every.

[B]

Almost every episode in the corner. Yeah. But it's nice to get a moment where it's just us two talking in a space that is safe for us so that we have control over as a married couple and get our side of the stories out.

[A]

Yeah. This was a different conversation.

[B]

Yeah. For sure.

[A]

We went in a few different directions, but now I've enjoyed it.

[B]

I love you.

[A]

I love you, too.

[B]

And thank you. And I'm glad you got a chance to get in the host seat.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I say, I'm warming up for my show.

[B]

Yeah. Okay. Well, I can't wait to see it. Will you have me on as a guest best.

[A]

Eventually.

[B]

Yeah, eventually. Okay. Well, thank you again, honey.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

I love you. Maybe next time you're on the show, it'll be me, you, and our girl.

[A]

It might be. It might be. This was weird. I felt like I had almost less to say because we do so much yapping at home. Do you know what I mean?

[B]

You feel like you had less to say?

[A]

Okay, maybe not less to say.

[B]

Did we just.

[A]

I couldn't coordinate my thought as well. I couldn't coordinate my thoughts as well because I was like, we've already had this conversation. And it's like.

[B]

Yeah. To say is crazy.

[A]

I was more nervous this time as well. Why? Because, like I say, last time I came on, there was not as that. That spotlight on us.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you know what I mean? We only just. That was our first. Literally our first step into the. Into the public eye as a couple, so to speak.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it. It was like. That was like our debut. Whereas now it's like. Yeah, I don't know. This one felt different, but in a good way.

[B]

Yeah. Well, I'm glad that you got to say. Do you feel like you said everything you needed to say?

[A]

It ain't going to make a difference. People are still going to think what they think, and that's up to them. But like I say, we see the people that are rocking with us.

[B]

Us.

[A]

And we love and support them.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

But then we appreciate the love and support and we love them right back. So, yeah, keep it coming. And yeah, like I say, you'll see us again soon.

[B]

Period. You guys, thank you for tuning in to this lovely episode with me and my husband. Heavy on the husband. Yeah. I love you, honey. It's so hard because I just want to keep yapping, but we're gonna, we're gonna wrap it up.

[A]

I will be talking.

[B]

Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. You guys be sure to follow us on all social platforms at what's the reality pod? And I will see you next Wednesday. Bye, guys. Ah, dsw. Earth. Place of the humble. Brag here. The shoes are so good, no one would ever know how little you paid if you didn't go telling everyone that it. And with never ending options for every style, mood and occasion, all at really great prices, they'll definitely give you something to brag about. So go ahead, stock up on fresh sneakers from your favorite brands or try.

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