Love Is Blind’s Keya & Tyler: The Truth Behind Their Wild Love Triangle

Summary

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What's the Reality?

Episode: Love Is Blind’s Keya & Tyler: The Truth Behind Their Wild Love Triangle

Host: Amber Desiree (“AD”)
Guests: Kia & Tyler (Love Is Blind, Season 10)
Date: Feb. 18, 2026

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Overview

In this candid, revealing episode of "What's the Reality?", host Amber Desiree sits down with Love Is Blind Season 10 stars Kia and Tyler. They dive deep into the real-life experiences behind the most notorious love triangle of the season, unpack the complexities of dating on reality TV as Black women, and discuss vulnerability, self-worth, and sisterhood—while clarifying hidden context and dispelling myths perpetuated through the show's edit.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Life After Love Is Blind ([00:55])

• Kia has relocated to New York (“a New York baddie”), thriving but adjusting to the cold.
• Tyler is back in Atlanta, reunited with family and embracing her new chapter: “I’m thriving.” ([02:02])

2. Authentic Introductions: Who Are Kia & Tyler? ([02:41])

• Kia: Journeying into vulnerability, historically guarded but pushed to open up during the experiment.
  • “Kickstarting that within the Love is Blind journey has changed my life.” ([03:20])
• Tyler: Career-focused, had deprioritized dating, but entered the show to push herself outside her comfort zone.
  • “If they don’t throw me in a box and close the door, I’m probably never gonna date.” ([03:34])

3. Seeing Themselves on TV ([04:32])

• Both admit watching the season was cringey yet enlightening.
• Tyler: “There were certain parts where…that’s not how I remember it. That’s not what happened. There’s some context I have to clear up.” ([04:55])
• Kia: Never watched previous seasons before joining. Chose not to get in her head about the process.

4. Casting Stories: How Did They Get On the Show? ([06:34])

• Kia: DM’d via Instagram by a casting agent; leapt at the chance despite not knowing much about the show.
• Tyler: Best friend encouraged her; accidentally lost her application but was later contacted by a producer from another show.

5. Realities of Dating in Ohio (& Beyond) ([08:33])

• Both describe dating as “tough,” “exhausting,” and full of emotionally unavailable men.
• Kia: “The dating pool has piss in it.” ([08:44])
• Tyler: Recalls repeated “trauma dumping” and emotional labor on dates; “opted out” of dating pre-show.

6. Representation of Black Women in the Pods ([11:03])

• Tyler notes a recurring lack of interest directed at Black women both in “real life” and within the pods:
  • “It felt like a copy and paste of the typical experience of being a Black woman dating.” ([11:03])

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The Love Triangle: Deep Dive

7. The Kevin/Kia/Tyler Saga ([13:24])

• Tyler explains that editing omitted much of the early, positive foundation of her and Kevin’s relationship.
• Discusses repeated conversations about location/life logistics—Kevin’s insecurity (“I just don’t feel like I’m enough for you to make that decision”) and emotional exhaustion from “psychologist hat.” ([16:35])
• Clear distinction: Tyler reiterates her intent to support other women, not compete.

How Tyler Found Out About the Triangle ([20:30])

• Accidentally realized she was dating the same man as Kia due to a production slipup about food orders. ([24:01])
• Both guests clarify: There were never open, competitive conversations about Kevin.

8. Sisterhood Over Competition ([27:56])

• Tyler made a point to tell Kevin that Kia was “phenomenal,” demonstrating Black woman solidarity over rivalry.
• “That’s just genuinely how I felt. And I adored Kia, and a lot of the women there… I didn’t want to disrupt anyone else’s experience.” ([26:11])

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The Emotional Rollercoaster: Dating, Drama, and Decisions

9. On Overthinking and Pressure ([29:46])

• Tyler discusses her return (“Pickmeisha Marie”) after leaving: triggered by internalized pressure and Kevin’s taunt about always leaving relationships.
• Ultimately, trusted her gut—after Kevin admitted he wasn’t ready to be married, she left for good.
  • “If any man ever tell you to run, lace up them shoelaces and sprint!” ([40:15])

10. Choosing Themselves—Over Men and Over Drama ([43:49])

• Kia: “If it is not a hell yes on your wedding day, it is a hell no… in the pods or real world.” ([46:02])
• Both express that the show was a journey about setting boundaries, learning not to “settle by any means,” and the transformative power of self-respect.

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Media, Misrepresentation, and The Power of Edit

11. Missing Context & Clearing the Record ([16:35], [81:10])

• Both Tyler and Kia discuss how reality TV editing changed their stories, often omitting context and manufacturing drama.
• Both emphasize: their journey did not involve real rivalry, but the edit sometimes suggested otherwise.

12. Impact of Representation ([66:12], [78:22])

• Conversations about awareness as Black women on reality TV: needing to be “perfect,” never “angry,” “desperate” or “mediocre.” ([65:51])
• “Black women aren’t a monolith. Our journeys look different. And as I look back…I have to release that shame and remember that it’s okay to be messy, as long as I get to my destination.” (Tyler, [78:22])

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Notable Quotes

• Kia:
  • “I’m so tired of hearing Black women being strong…I’m soft and I’m tired.” ([54:45])
  • “You can be you, and that’s okay…do whatever you want to do, say whatever you want to, as long as it’s rooted in love.” ([98:14])
• Tyler:
  • “My rule for engagement day is: if it’s not a hell yes, it’s a hell no.” ([45:19])
  • “If any man ever tell you to run, lace up them shoelaces and sprint!” ([40:15])
  • “Staying did teach me a life lesson, but I think I could have learned that lesson a different way.” ([79:10])
• On Sisterhood:
  • “It is more important to me to prioritize my sisterhood relationships than to prioritize a man.” (Kia, [58:06])
  • “There is beauty in the mess.” (Kia, [101:10])

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Key Timestamps

• Life update & introductions: [00:55]–[04:19]
• Recruitment/casting stories: [06:30]–[08:26]
• Ohio dating realities: [08:33]–[11:28]
• Pods experience & race: [11:03]–[12:48]
• Tyler’s viral “She died single” quote: [11:44]
• Early Kevin/Tyler connection: [13:24]
• How the triangle exposure happened: [20:30]–[25:05]
• Tyler’s exit & reentry (“Pickmeisha Marie”): [29:46]–[33:32]
• Kia’s boundaries & ending things: [71:05], [73:27]
• Squad meetup snub (“I wasn’t invited!”): [51:04]
• Viral “you both deserve more” moment: [48:32]
• Sisterhood before romance: [58:06]–[60:36]
• Race, editing, and pressure as Black women: [65:44], [78:22]
• Impact of the show, vulnerability, and grief: [92:55]–[96:48]
• What’s next—dating, work, advocacy: [101:35]–[103:22]

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Closing Reflections

• Both left the show single, rejuvenated, and resolute not to settle.
• The experience deepened their sense of vulnerability, self-respect, and sisterhood.
• While grateful for the platform and connections, both Kia and Tyler make clear: the decision to leave was never about losing, but about winning—by choosing themselves.

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Memorable Moments

• “The dating pool has piss in it.” (Kia, [08:44])
• Kia gifting her late father’s watch to Kevin—not as homage, but to urge him to “start clocking in.” ([69:44])
• Kia and Tyler clarifying post-show: “We never discussed you on our dates. You weren’t a part of our journey.” ([50:21])
• Candid handling of criticism and the Internet’s “therapy” comments: “I go twice a month. My therapist and I are locked in.” (Tyler, [89:23])

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Takeaway for Listeners

For reality TV fans and especially for Black women, this episode unpacks what’s real behind the edited drama: the emotional labor, the pressure of representation, and the strength it takes to choose yourself when the world (and editing) pushes you to compete.

Kia and Tyler model honesty, compassion, and the courage to be vulnerable—reminding viewers and listeners that their stories aren’t just “content,” but living proof that you can walk away empowered and whole, no matter how “messy” your journey.

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Note: All timestamps refer to the core content, skipping over ads and episode intro/outro for clarity. All direct quotes are attributed as per transcript.

Transcript

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[A]

What's the reality?

[C]

What's the reality?

[A]

What's up, you guys? And welcome to another episode of what's the Reality? You guys, if you are loving season 10 of Love is blind, then you would be so happy to know who's here with me today. Two very special badass girls. I got my girl Kia and Tyler. Welcome to what's the Reality, y'.

[C]

All. Thank you for having us.

[B]

So happy to be here.

[C]

I'm so happy to have you guys. So happy to be here.

[A]

No, literally, I just binged and I'm like, I got. I'm ready to chat.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

So.

[C]

So are we.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's get into it. First of all, catch me up. How are we? Let's start with you.

[B]

Great. Literally. Great. I am living in New York now.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I live in bed, sty do or die. And even though it's so cold, I feel like it's low key colder in New York than it is in Ohio probably.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I am struggling with that.

[A]

Yeah. Wait, so what brought you to New York?

[B]

I'm remote. I've always been remote.

[A]

So you just up and go?

[B]

Yeah. So during the time that we were filming, I was already back and forth. I had an apartment in Cleveland and also in New York. And then finally I was like, okay, this kind of makes no sense. Like, let's just make the jump.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And so now I'm a New York baddie.

[A]

I know street. Okay. Tyler, catch me up.

[C]

Yeah, I. I'm in Atlanta, so Ohio.

[A]

I'm out of here.

[B]

Got a blast. Got a blast.

[C]

I'm in Atlanta. And similar to Kia, like, being. That's my home. It's going back home. And I feel like there I'm thriving. Like, being with my family, my friends. I'm a titi now. So being with my niece and in a space that feels familiar is like the perfect puzzle piece to like, this chapter and this season of my life. So I'm thriving. I'm thriving.

[A]

I know that's right. Y' all said Ohio. O bio.

[C]

O bio.

[B]

Gotta go, gotta go.

[A]

Okay, so sadly, we only got to see a small slice of you guys lives on show. So let's do a little reset. If you were introducing yourselves to our listeners for the very first time, what would you say?

[B]

Ooh.

[C]

Ooh.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Just like a small, little elevator pitch of who you are.

[B]

I would say, hello, listeners. My name is Kia, and I am so excited to honestly continue my journey of vulnerability. One of the things that I've always struggled with is being vulnerable. In the past five years, I've worked on being a great businesswoman, amazing godmom, like a good friend. But vulnerability has always been really hard. So kickstarting that within the love is blind journey has changed my life.

[A]

What a wild place to start. Your vulnerability.

[C]

That's why I did it.

[A]

Said balls to the wall.

[B]

I was like, let's jump into it. Let's go all the way.

[A]

Amazing.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I love and I think for me.

[C]

I would say, hey, girl.

[A]

Hey.

[C]

That's usually how I answer the phone, hey, girl. And I would say, yeah, for me, I have spent a lot of my life and a lot of my twenties really prioritizing everything in life to build a foundation for myself. And as I entered into my 30s, I realized that I had kind of been passive about my dating life a little bit. I could think of a million things I'd rather do than date, but I was like, you know what? Honestly, if they don't throw me in a box and close the door, I'm probably never gonna date because it's my least favorite thing to do. So for me, it was a journey of just being open minded and trying to be a part of an experiment that would require me to be bold in this part of my life, because I gave every excuse of why I didn't need to be. So that's me.

[A]

So they threw you in a box. You dated 15 men?

[C]

16, girl.

[A]

16. And y' all out on Kevin. Okay, all right. We're gonna get into that. We're gonna get into that. What has it been yourselves on tv? Horrifying.

[B]

Insane. It's insane, girl.

[C]

The way I was yelling at that.

[B]

Damn tv, I think I was like, is this really happening? Is that like, wait, you stayed up.

[A]

To watch it, right?

[C]

I woke up, I went. I went to bed. I went to bed. I go to sleep. I took my naps. So I took a nap and Then I woke up at 3:35 in the morning and I said, this feels thirsty. Let me just take a walk, drink some coffee. 4 o', clock, hit play.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And then I pressed play and I saw like video footage of me crying and immediate cringe. I was like, oh, my God, let me just take another lap. And then I came back, watched it. I'm gonna be real honest. I fast forwarded through everybody's stuff. I was just looking for. I was like, I wanna know what this story is like. And I was confused. I was laughing at some parts. I was again hiding because like, girl, stand up, please. And then, you know, there were certain parts where I'm like, when did that happen? And that's not how. Not even that. That's not how I remember it. That's not what happened. So, like, there's some context that I feel like I have to clear up to just give the full.

[A]

Put a pin in that. We'll put a pin in that. How is it, like, watching yourself?

[B]

It was. It was crazy. It was crazy. But it was also kind of cool. I have never watched Love is Blind before.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So my first season watching was my own season. And so I didn't understand, like, the magnitude of the show.

[A]

I think that is so crazy when people tell me they've never seen it and then go on it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Surprise, girl, that you're in for the shock of your life.

[B]

Yeah, 1,000%. So I tried to watch like maybe seven minutes of it and I was like, if I keep watching, I'm not going to do this.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And I knew that I wanted to be my authentic self. I did not want to have any other expectations. And so if I did this all over again, I would do the same thing. Like. Yeah. So watching it back, I was like, oh, wow.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah, girl, you really went on this and did this. Are you crazy?

[A]

Yeah. So how did you guys end up on the show? Were you recruited? Did you apply?

[B]

Yeah, I got a DM on Instagram. And I was like, what is this? What's going on? I told my best friend and she was like, girl, you have to watch a show before you say that you're going to. And I was like, if I watch the show, then I'm going to get in my head, I'm going to do this. I've always been, like I said, not very vulnerable. And that's feedback I get from friends, family, men. And what better way to jump into your vulnerability than having to discuss all of the ins and outs in 10 days on national TV?

[A]

Yeah. Wow. Okay, so you got a DM and you're like, yeah.

[B]

I was like, let's do this.

[A]

Brave.

[B]

Thank you. Brave. Crazy.

[A]

Both. Yeah.

[C]

Brazy, whatever. Bossy. Yeah. Took control of your own life for me. So my best friend actually sent me a link, and she was like, love is Blind is coming to Ohio, and she knows very well that you gotta lock me in a box today. So she was like, you know, who needs to do this? You just try it out. I started filling out the application. I got to the very end, I was on my phone and my page refreshed. Now, you know how long that that application is?

[A]

Like 200 questions or something.

[C]

So I said, it's a no for me. Like, it's just a no for me. This is probably a no. It's not meant to be. Yes. So then the next day, I had a producer text me. Now, this is, like, a little bit of a story. As a joke over the summer, one of my homegirls sent me a show about dating a rapper. And she sent it to me, and I applied. They called me back, and I said, baby, I got a real job. I cannot be on TV dating a rapper. Like, that is just not what I want to do. She still had my contact information. So she then reached out to me and was like, hey, I know you don't want to do the rapper dating show, but would you be open to Love is Blind? And I was like, funny enough, I just tried to apply yesterday, but my page refreshed. And so that kind of. How was how the journey, like, unfolded.

[A]

But, yeah. So you thought it wasn't meant to be, turned out to be meant to be that it all worked out.

[C]

We'll see.

[B]

It did work out.

[C]

You met me, I knew.

[A]

And you're here. I am.

[C]

You're right. You're right, you're right. You know, it worked out. It worked.

[A]

Yeah, it worked out. So what was dating like for you guys in Ohio before the experiment? Big exhale. I'm scared.

[C]

Spell it for me.

[B]

Well, I kind of feel like dating in general is really tough right now, and I feel like the dating pool has piss in it. It still has piss in it.

[A]

Hot, nasty, steamy.

[B]

Yeah. And my type is definitely a man who knows what he wants, understands how to communicate, all of those things. And I think that right now, men are having some difficulty in that department.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So being in Ohio, it was rough. I was in a really long relationship of five years or in Ohio and New York. And so after getting out of a long relationship, I Had to, like, jump back into the dating pool. Doing that in Ohio and New York. It was rough. And I'm not an app girly, so love is blind was kind of like, you know what? Let's give this a try. I am ready to be a wife. I'm ready to be a mommy.

[A]

Come on.

[B]

And let's go for it. Let's see what happens.

[A]

What about dating for you?

[C]

Like, I said, you would have to lock me in a box to, like, actively do that. So I can't even say that I was actively dating in Ohio or dating Ohio men, but I was dating and in relationships, and I was so exhausted. Like, I felt like, in my experience up to that point, some of it was on me. The relationships had a lot of emotional labor, and I felt like I had, like, several first dates, for example, where, like, first date, I'm getting dumped on, like, trauma dumped on. And that required. That could lead to, like, trauma bonding and all this. So it was just exhausting. And I kind of opted out. I was like, this is. I have, again, things that I'd rather do than, like, be a part of this healing journey for so many men who are requiring that I'll opt out. So Ohio was tough. I agree with what a lot of. A lot of what Kia said. And, yeah, I can't say that I was, like, actively looking or searching at all.

[A]

Were the men in the pods, like, a good representation of what Ohio men and dating is like?

[B]

Yeah, honestly, I think it was. I think it was a really good representation. Men are men, right?

[C]

Yeah. I want to also talk about the lack. I feel like what I felt the most that felt similar to my experience in dating in Ohio and in other places was the lack of people that I felt like were even interested in me or black women in general. And so being there and experiencing that, it felt like a copy and paste of, like, the typical experience of being a black woman dating. So, yeah, I would say it is.

[A]

So exhausting is what I'm hearing. Yeah. Okay. Love that. Season 10.

[B]

Season 10. Exhausting.

[A]

So, Tyler, Hi. How are you, girly?

[C]

You know, I'm going. I'm doing okay.

[A]

So let's talk about your epic quote.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

She died single. Okay. So I don't need to die single. Where did that come from?

[C]

Like, being reflective, you know? Like, I've been on a faith journey for a long time, and I'm like a late bloomer in faith, if you will. I didn't grow up super religious, so I've come to study, like, the Bible and The word on my own. And when I read about Jesus, that was the biggest aha to me. I said, he didn't have no wife, he was single. And he. That's a perfect human being. I'm like, is this my life? And so going in and being in my early 30s, at the same time, I was feeling this, like, pressure of like, oh, my God, I'm about to be 33 in my Jesus year, and I don't want. I don't want to go out like that. And that was kind of my attitude going in. I'll say. Now I'm like, jesus died with a purpose. And to live a perfect life where purpose is the center that's winning, that's living a real life. But at that time, it was like, I don't know, 33 was like the year for me where I just felt like, if I haven't been able to find my partner, then am I ever gonna be able to find someone? So that was kind of.

[A]

Are you still feeling that way?

[C]

Hell no. I love my life. I love my life. I value my life. And whether somebody's in it or not, like, I think that there's a whole lot of lessons I learned from that show. But I went in with my cup overflowing and I left with it really empty. And what I realized is that I need to stay focused on the things that fill my cup. And they're beautiful things. And so, nah, girl, I've evolved.

[A]

I know that's right. I know that's right. So we saw from the beginning that you had a really strong connection with Kevin.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Did you have any connections with anyone else that we didn't see?

[C]

Yeah, but they were like, early on, girl, they all dubbed me.

[A]

Why?

[C]

And not even that they dubbed me. I feel like one day, one, when you're dating everybody, I had already kind of picked up, like, there's probably not a broad set of compatibility. There were some non negotiables pretty early on that I kind of caught on to. I'd say the first three days, the three people that I was dating was Kevin, Tyler, because we had the same name. I thought that was cool. Like, hi, Tyler. And then. And Vic. So me and Vic dated for maybe like three days in the beginning. So those are like, my initial connections. Yeah.

[A]

So what initially attracted you to Kevin?

[C]

I think the initial attraction, I was very intentional going in that I didn't want to build a relationship where the foundation was like trauma bonding, if you will, because I had done that in the past. And that kind of leads you to, like, being love bombed or it leads you to doing toxic things as well. So I wanted to establish a foundation of friendship and, like, lightheartedness, and. And Kevin and I had a blast those first couple of days. We had so much fun. The girls would be like, please don't put me in a pod next to Tyler because I'm trying to have a serious conversation. And here we go on the side. And so I think the initial attraction was like, oh, this could be a friend. And it felt really different to build a relationship where the foundation was friendship versus. Oh, we have all of these traumatic things in common that's bringing us together.

[A]

Yeah, it's so easy to get behind those walls and just start dumping. It is so easy, especially with the questions.

[C]

There's something in the air group. I don't know if it's whatever it.

[A]

But it's very much notebook questions.

[B]

They have.

[A]

You like, saying stuff that you would never say, asking questions that you would never. On day one, girl. Why?

[B]

Well, that's why. Y' all gotta follow your own rules.

[A]

Yeah, we didn't know that. I went in thinking I had to follow the damn show rules.

[B]

Oh, no. Well, I would look at the back of the book and I'd be like, yeah, not today.

[A]

Yeah, I did a few of them on day two. I'm like, hold up. Y' all know what day two questions are?

[C]

Is it sex day? Bye.

[A]

The first question. Do you like being choked? What are we doing?

[C]

Choked?

[A]

How do we get here?

[C]

No, I don't even know your last name.

[A]

Like, now I don't even know who I'm talking to.

[C]

Yeah. No.

[A]

You were very open about feeling nervous about not knowing who else Kevin was dating.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

When you started to realize it was down to you and Kia, how was that and when was that?

[C]

I think there's some context that is super important leading up to. Leading up to me understanding that Kia and Kevin are dating, et cetera. 1. You guys come into our journey on day five. Day six, you don't even see me meet Kevin. You don't see us having fun. You don't see us building that friendship foundation. You just get smack dab in the middle. Placed some context that is missing. Is that leading up to me finding out that Kia and Kevin were dating? Kevin and I were actually not in a really great place. And what was driving that was his inability to feel like he was enough. And so he kept coming into the pot and saying, I just don't feel like I'm enough. And where that started, you see Some of it, even though it's chopped and screwed, baby. But some of what you see, welcome to reality.

[B]

Oh, my goodness.

[C]

So on day two, him and I had a conversation about where we live, where are you from, et cetera. I lived in Cincinnati at the time. He lived in Columbus. But I told him, I'm trying to get back home. Like, I got my little niece coming. I'm about to be a tt. I need to get closer to my family, my friends, my community. And he said, would you be open to, you know, living in Columbus? And I said, let me for my husband. If we're talking like husband, family, I'd be open minded to anything, but I'm pretty sure I'm moving back down south. How does. How do you feel about that? It's day two. So he's like, you know what? I think I'd be open to that. I'm in real estate. I can go get my real estate license elsewhere. We did that because it's too early to have that kind of conversation. We go get to know each other. Day five, day six is brought up again. And he's like, I don't feel like I'm enough for you to make that decision. And I'm like, I agree. I don't know you that well to tell you that you are the person I would make that decision for. So you kind of got to navigate that on your own. What I want to do is figure out, do we even like each other? And so that was me to him. But I was trying not to be like an asshole about it. I'm just like, it sounds like you need to figure out that part of it. I can't tell you right now that you're enough for me to make that kind of decision. So we had that conversation not once, not twice, but three times. By the third time, I'm like, if we keep having the same conversation where you're like, I just don't feel like I'm enough for you to make this decision. I'm like, yeah, you might be right. You might be right. Like, I don't know. I was talking about my husband in the future, and you are throwing in, what if, but what about me? And I'm like, I can't. I don't know you. I don't.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And so before my redo day, there's a date.

[B]

Redo, Redo.

[C]

Before that day, there was a date we had the night before. And he. This was the third time he had expressed it. And I said, kevin, it sounds like you're struggling with that. And I knew coming in, I had zero desire to just stay there until the very end. I was on sabbatical.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

First time I ever had a work break in 16, 17 years. I'm like, I gotta go, you know, take a nap. Color in a coloring book. I got a couple things I could be doing. So I don't have a desire to just stay here for the sake of it. So I'm like, you know, I think it's okay that we've met each other. We've learned a lot. You sound like you've learned a lot, but, like, this is becoming a lot for me because I feel like I'm trying to, like, make you feel something that only you can navigate through. And I can't give you that assurance today. I give that context because coming in the next day, when I was in the woman's lounge, again, chopped and screwed. That whole me being in the woman's lounge saying, I'm gonna get engaged was not talking about him. I'm saying there's people that are happy and are in love. I wasn't talking about him. And I. What? I actually told the girls, I'm about to give you some real tea. Knocking on the door, But I'm about to give you some real tea. But I actually told the girls, wait, wait, wait.

[B]

I didn't know she was gonna talk about that.

[A]

Well, now we're here.

[C]

But I actually told the girls, was like, hey, y', all, I like Kevin. I like what I've learned with Kevin. I feel like it's been a beautiful journey. I've learned a lot. Learned the whole, like, wait. Build a foundation based off of friendship versus emotionally. But if I walk in here again and he huffing and puffing about not being enough, I'mma have to go. And so the girls was like, wait a minute. Before you go, say goodbye. Because, you know, people be disappearing like a thief in the night. And they're like, where the girls go? And so they were like, before you leave, the girls who were on the dates at the same time. You know what I mean? You be like, where are they? They gone, girl.

[B]

I was like, damn, we go for.

[C]

An interview and never come back. So you hear me say, and then there was 11. You remember that? I said, and then there was 11. Cause one of my homegirls just left. Snatched you right out. Yes. And they were like, okay, Tyler, if you decide that you gonna leave, knock on our doors and let us know. I said, bet.

[A]

Oh, in the hotel?

[C]

No, in the pods. While we were dating. They were like, knock on the doors before producers come grab you. Knock on doors.

[A]

That's bold.

[C]

So I was. We were. We broke a lot of rules in there. We all did. And so I was like, okay, I'm gonna go in there. Because my. What my gut was saying I did find out the night before that him and Kia were dating. And what my gut.

[B]

Which you have to talk about that, because how did you find out? Okay, I'm talking, like, go around, go around, go around.

[C]

We'll finish your story, and then I'll come back. It was a production thing that I found out that they were dating.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

So I found out they're dating. I'm an overthinker. I will admit that. I'm not perfect. I'm an overthinker in me and my overthinking. I'm like, this has nothing to do with relocating. This is because he's. Now I'm making up stuff. I'm like, this is because he has a connection somewhere else. And I'm starting to spiral because I'm like, this is another episode of a man emotionally dumping on me. Now I'm constantly asking myself the question, is it. Should I tell him that I'm willing to relocate and all this stuff? And I'm going through that mental process, and I'm like, no, I don't think that's it. I think it's maybe because he has a connection somewhere else, and he just is not admitting that. So then when I walk in and I hear him, you see me walking, and I'm happy. And I'm like, hey, how are you doing? He's like, I'm good. Just good, y'. All. That was the fourth time I had walked in that pot, and I heard that. So you can see me like, okay, here we go. And then I sit down, and he's like, you know, you don't. You don't get the full context. But we're talking. That first conversation, we're talking about relocating again. And you see me get irritated because I'm like, okay, so what do you want to do? Do you want to meet in the middle? Like, you have to decide what that looks like. I can decide it for you. Then he goes into a speech about his date beforehand. So then my overthinking is like, I was right. I was right this whole time. This is the reason why we've been in a loop of this conversation over and over and over again. And then when he was going on the whole speech, I feel like in the middle of it, I was just kind of like, fuming. And I'm like, this is the millionth time this man has done this same thing over and over again. What am I doing here? I could be on the beach. Let's go. So then I stand up, and you see me leave. And I was ready to leave. And I feel like up until that point, you see Tyler, who I am like, as a person, little crazy, little chaotic. A lot of things I can apologize for. But that was me in that moment, walking through. I did knock on all the girls doors. So I knocked on all the girls doors. I said bye to the girls. And then I ran into the kitchen. Cause I was like, I'm leaving here with something. So then I walked in and I took them around the way.

[B]

Girl took a mug.

[C]

I was taking espresso cups. I was putting them in my pockets.

[A]

And then put on in jail. Stop talking. Cut this out, please.

[B]

Anyway, she didn't mean that, y'. All.

[C]

They took it back.

[B]

She did not take it back.

[C]

When I came back and did redo, they said, okay, redo. We taking out the pictures.

[B]

Run it back.

[C]

Yes. But I went, that was our stuff. I'm like, I don't get to take a mug or nothing. I can't take anybody. And so then you see me say bye to the girls. I'm ready to go. I'm like, where the flight at? And then you see the interview. So I'll let you know, you finish asking the questions. But I found out that night before. And then you see me go into my overthinking mode, and I'm trying to put puzzle pieces together of like, why have I been in the same conversation the past three days or three dates that we've had? Am I being gaslit into something else? And it was very emotionally laborious. It felt like I was putting my psychologist hat on every single time I was in there, trying to not telling him that he was enough. I refused to do that. But trying to help him get there for himself.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Woo. Okay, so back to Kia's question then. How did you find out?

[C]

Okay, girl, so here's what happened. I'm gonna break a lot of walls here, so I hope that I'm not gonna get in trouble. Here's what happened. Proceeds to break the wall the night before. We were told to have to write down what we wanted to eat the next day with our dates on our day. So you see, the next day we had in n out, we were told to write that down. And you could tell your perspective, too. But when I walked in, Kevin had told me he lost his slip and could I write what he wanted to eat on my piece of paper. So then I go back into the woman's lounge, and I'm like, hey, my date lost something. I have his meal on the piece of paper. So I hand it in. But then as I'm walking away, I hear Kia say something to the effect of like, hey, my date lost his da, da, da, da. And I was like, oh, shit.

[B]

Just like a man using the same line for multiple girls. Right, right.

[C]

I was like, oh, we both got the man who lost the slip. Okay. And then, like, I said, that then triggered this, like, spiral of overthinking.

[B]

So on my end, I wrote his meal down. I thought. I thought it was supposed to be, like, a cute thing where I tell you what I want, and you write it down, and you tell me what you want, and I write it down, and we give it to. I didn't follow the rules. So on my sheet, it was his food, and I thought on his sheet.

[A]

Was it in and out?

[B]

No, no, no. It was my. What my order was. It was jerk chicken with rice and peas, period.

[C]

Very New York. Very New York.

[B]

That's what I wanted for dinner. But for breakfast, I think it was, like, fruit and iced matcha latte with some strawberry. Everybody knows I was making the girls matcha latte.

[C]

My girl was making matcha sandwiches. Y' all see me eating a sandwich that one day? That was Kia's sandwich, and she was taking her naps and reading her books. That was so cute.

[A]

Literally, y' all had a vibe going.

[C]

We did, yeah.

[A]

Okay, so before you left. Yes. You made it a point to tell Kevin that, you know, Kia was a phenomenal and incredible woman, and it felt very mature, like, very great for you to be supporting women, which I thought was really dope. What made you share that with Kevin?

[C]

Kevin? I don't know. In that moment, what made me share outside of, like, that's just genuinely how I felt. And I adored Kia, and a lot of the women that were there, I genuinely adored. And I was kind of battling this feeling of, like, I don't want to be what is disruptive to anybody else's experience here. And I kind of knew that I was, like, off the rocker a little bit. I was like, I know that I'm feeling all of my feelings, and in the midst of that, I just want to try as hard as possible to not mess up anybody else's experience just because I'm trying to process all of my feelings. So I think in that moment, I was just telling what my truth was, which was like, he is phenomenal. Like, this is not about to be no. Oh, why are you choosing no, this ain't that. That's an incredible woman. And when you see me bombard kid and like, that's a good man, Savannah.

[B]

Which we will also get into, I'm assuming.

[C]

Yes, we need to get it today. But again, I was a little overstimulated, so I was trying to, like, my brain wasn't matching my mouth, but my intention was to be like, the reason why I'm annoyed with Kevin is a very personal thing between me and Kevin. Kevin didn't cuss me out. He didn't disrespect me. He was annoying me a little bit. He was frustrating me. But it was a very personal thing. It wasn't a. He did something to me because I knew Kia was principled, and she was the one clocking everybody's tee. And they're like, what that man say? Uh, cut him off. And so I was like, I don't want her to think he had a blast. I don't want her to think that. That. Because I was leaving fast, I was in a hurry, and I was like, I don't want you to think that. Like, this man did some weird stuff. That's why you kind of hear me say that. It didn't come out that way, but.

[A]

Okay. But after doing your sit down confessional production, you decided to go back. Okay.

[C]

Remember I told you the rest of it was me. I called her, like, pick Misha Marie. I don't know who that girl was. I don't know why I went back.

[A]

I have no idea what made you go back.

[C]

Walk us through that, I think. So here's what my mindset was. First of all, I was irritated that I had to go do that interview. Me and me and my producer were going back and forth. I was like, put me on a plane. What are we talking about? No, go do an interview. I'm not doing a damn interview. Put me on the plane. I want to go to the beach. Like, let me leave. Yeah. And so I'm ready to go. And, like, I was so irritated because me and him was going back and forth, and I think he was saying things that he kind of knew about me, which was like, he said something when we were arguing about being open, and I was like, I did say I was supposed to come here and be open. So I'm like, all right, I'll be open enough to Go to do this interview. But I'm really irritated because I knew that Kevin was not my husband. There was a lot that was happening in the days before, outside of Kia, et cetera, where I'm like, this is not my man. Like, this is not my man. And so being in the interview, I was hell bent on going. But when he said, this is what you always do. You always leave, I feel like that triggered something in me that was like, you know what I do? And looking back on it, I'm like, one thing I know about myself is that my gut be gutting. Sometimes I don't know how to communicate it the right way. I don't know how to articulate it the right way, but my instincts are spot on. And I felt that in that moment, I was like, no, this is not your man. But when he said, like, but this is what you always do, I started to think like, is this why I'm single? Is this why I'm not married? There was a lot of insecurities that started to permeate through, and I think that was Pickmeisha Marie coming in and being like, but remember, we're 32, and we don't have a man, and we don't have a husband, and maybe we just need to go try again. And then you kind of see that unfold as I go back in there.

[A]

Girl.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. So then when you return, you apologize to Kia. Yeah. Why did you feel that was needed?

[C]

Because it was weird for me to bombard her like that. Like, she. First of all, Kia was not in the kitchen. Kia didn't see me leave. Kia was getting miked in the thing, so that was, again, chopped and screwed. I leave. I'm leaving to leave. Kia just so happens to be kind of like walking in the door, like, at the mic stand, we bump into each other. And again, in my mode, I'm like, oh, my God. I don't want her to think. She was like, what's wrong? What happened? And like I said, she was standing on business about these men. And I'm like, he's a good man. I think I know who this is, not about him. And I was just trying to get across that. Like, this is a very personal thing to me. I don't want to mess up your experience, which I just think was a little strange in how I did it. I feel like it was overwhelming to her. Like, oh, I was so overwhelmed.

[A]

Imagine I was, yeah, what's going on?

[C]

Yeah. And I felt as soon as we were pulled apart, I immediately was like, you shouldn't have did that. You shouldn't have did that. And so then when I came back in and me and her were in the same space, I was like, I have to apologize. Like, that was weird. That was fucked up. Like, that was me in my own moment, not considering somebody else and what she could have just experienced and just been going through, et cetera. It was. So I had to apologize, which I really appreciate. Thank you, Byron. That was so cute.

[A]

You were very clear with Kevin about wanting a few days where you were exclusively boyfriend girlfriend before he proposed. Why was that important?

[C]

Because I know what the show is. Okay, I understand. But if you're gonna ask me what my ring type is, if you're going to. If we're gonna have conversations that require this level of depth, etcetera, I want to be able to know that, like, when you propose to me down on one knee, there's no one else here that you're considering. And I think that was just important to me. I understood what the rules were of the show. And it wasn't like, halfway through, you have to say yes. You have to say, it's me. You have to. No. But, like, on my engagement day, because I had the privilege of saying yes or no. Like, as women, we have a lot of power in that moment. We feel like it's in the man's.

[A]

Hands, but that's why they're on their knee.

[C]

Yeah, you want your knee begging for me, but I get to make the decision and the choice. And I want it to be clear up front that, like, I get that we're in this type of experiment. For me, on my engagement day, I want it to only be me. And I'm not. I'm not sorry about that.

[A]

Yeah, I love that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

After you tell Kevin that you needed him to make a decision, he tells you he's choosing you. What's going on in your head in.

[C]

That moment, Girl, first of all, there is a whole scene you missing because me and Kevin, we had the redo day. Okay? We have the redo day. I go home. No, we had one more date. And in that date, that night, he asked me what my ring is, what kind of ring that I want. We're talking about, like, the future, et cetera. I'm still like, wait a minute. We've spent so much time on this drama. I don't know if I like you. Like, I don't know if I like you enough to even take you to that day. So I'm kind of battling some things, too. And that was Like a very odd moment for me. I go back home, I go to sleep, I wake up, I look in the mirror and I'm like, girl, go home. Like, this is not your man. That whole thing yesterday, like you coming back in, that was you being insecure in that mom, feeling a pressure within yourself to try to make something work. That's not your man. I had decided coming into that next day that I was going to end it. So you know that last interview that you see me saying goodbye, me saying goodbye to the girls happened before my date with Kevin.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

I was very certain that I was leaving. I already knew I'm out of here. That was also five hour date day. So I'm like, if you going on two five hour dates, you make terrible decisions. That's a long day. At the end of this experiment, that's just like the nail in the coffin of so many other things. And the fact that I have to wait then five hours or whatever just feels like a lot. So I had already made the decision that I was leaving. I just wanted to be respectful and at least say goodbye because again, he didn't do anything malicious towards me besides navigate emotions in a way that wasn't conducive of what my husband would do. And so when I walked in, that's a five hour date. Our first ten minutes. I walked in saying goodbye to Kevin and I said, hey, this has been an incredible journey. I want to start where I started a couple days ago when I was breaking things off with him. That you have taught me so much. You taught me about fun and this and this. But at the end of the day, this is not it for me. And what's funny is that was the same day as gift day. And he was like, oh, there's something on the couch for me. I said, that ain't for you. I don't know why they put that right there, you know, like this is not, this is not that. This is not us about to rekindle, do rekindle like this. I said, don't touch that, don't touch that gift. And so, and then I, I share with him that I really appreciate him and everything, but like this is not it for me. And so then he's like, wait, Tyler, no, like I want you to stay here. And I'm like, for what? Kevin? I don't get it. Then he says he has to use the bathroom. Cuz he had just. He'd been through a five hour date with Kia. So he's like, I have to use the bathroom. Can I please go use the bathroom. I'm like, go use the bathroom. Like, I know we have time. It was 10 minutes in and I'm like, oh, use the bathroom. He comes back out and he does this speech that was just like, you know what? It's you. He said he saw a mountain outside and he saw us climbing over the mountain together. And like, he just said all of these things, girl.

[B]

And that for him.

[C]

Unfortunately, y', all, he resurrected. Pick me Marie. She came back and she was like a mountain. Where are we going on the mountain? I love mountains.

[B]

So yeah.

[A]

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[C]

And so yeah, I then went into, like, deluland and then you. And then he said something that then re reminded me. Like, I was in and out of myself. If you were to see the whole date, you kind of see me going in and out of myself. So then he said something that reminded me, wait a minute. I came in here to break up with you and leave. So then he said something about like, oh, he said, kia just makes me feel like I'm enough. Like, that's how I feel when I leave. And I'm like. And again, it was at that moment. It was like, wait, what am I doing here? Like, I've already said goodbye. I have done the thing. What am I doing here? And you start that date mid debate with me and him. Like, what do you mean? This. That. Like, you don't. You can't make a decision, all the rest of this stuff. And I'm just frustrated because I feel like I'm on this roller coaster. And then I go. And then we have girl, I don't know. The day was so damn long. But then we go on, like, more roller coasters. It was just like a roller coaster after roller coaster. And the final coming back to myself was me having to go use the bathroom. I think I saw a different mountain outside. I saw the mountain of Christine and Emma. I have never been on the other side of you a dumb bitch. Look, I've never been on the other side of that. And Christina and Emma were looking at me or Christina and Emma were looking at me like, girl, didn't you just say bye to us? Didn't you just say, you know for sure this ain't your man? Like, what? And I'm over here like, I'm a girlfriend. And they're like, baby, stand up. And so then I went to the bathroom. I looked in the mirror. Do you watch insecure?

[B]

Mm.

[C]

You know how she be talking to.

[A]

Herself back in the mirror, making up them Raps?

[C]

Yes. Did you rap to yourself? It started rapping back to me. I feel like the mirror was, like, telling me, like, girl, get it together. It started singing, Kya. Every song about men not being fit. It was singing back to me, and I'm like, oh, my God, I need to wake up. And so then you see me go back in there. You see me kind of like, question.

[A]

They're remove the mirrors after this, girl.

[B]

No mirrors, girl.

[A]

You can't have girls waking up.

[C]

So you see me go in there. I'm questioning stuff, and I'm still, like, battling this thing. But what was not shown was. I said, kevin, my brain is fried. I'm mush. I feel like I'm all over the place right now. I just want to know, what would you do if you were me? That man said, if I were you, I would run. When you see me go, where the camera at? When you see me go like this. That man said, if I were you, I would run. And I said, that just gave me chills.

[A]

That's so sticky.

[C]

And he said, I would run because I'm not ready to be married. And he goes on this tangent about how he's just not in a place where he feels like he's ready to be a husband.

[A]

This is after he saw y' all go over the mountain.

[C]

After y'.

[A]

All.

[C]

Oh, yeah. This is like. This is like four hours later after the girlfriend. We done planned a wedding. We talking about first dance song. My favorite movie is also Love Jones. Like, me and Kia, we like. And so his last name is Jones.

[A]

Jones.

[C]

Girl, I'm so glad they didn't show. The moment I found that out, I was like, that's my favorite movie. I know exactly what our wedding hashtag is gonna be.

[B]

I just found out his name was Jones right now. His last name. I never knew his last name.

[A]

And this is someone that you were gonna be engaged to? Isn't that a Day one question?

[C]

Is it?

[A]

I think so.

[B]

Yeah. I don't know rules. So I'm like, love is blonde.

[A]

I mean, I don't need to know.

[B]

Your last name right now. Like, hey, I did not know that man's last name. She called me after the show, and she was like, I talked to Kevin. I was like, kevin does not have my phone number.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. Me and him. Me and him talked the day that we. The day that we left. Because I needed clarity on what you mean. You came through this whole thing, and you weren't ready to be married. So that whole, what the hell is going on moment, that was my response to him saying, run. If any man ever tell you to run, lace up them shoelaces and sprint. It's like all the emotional Picmisha Marie died. Like, all of that was gone, and I was just left with like, girl, what are you doing? Which is why you see me being like, what the is happening right now? And that's ultimately what made me leave was like, you just drug me through eight, nine days, which feel like eight, nine months in there. I'm sorry. It feels like forever of all this emotional turmoil. And actually, we are where we started. It has nothing to do with Kia. Where we started was you feeling like you weren't enough. And if I would have unpacked that a little bit more, I would have discovered that you didn't feel like you were enough because you didn't even think you could be a husband in the first place. That's what I realized in that moment was like, dang. Like, your gut was right, your instincts were right, and I'm not coming back.

[A]

I also think he found himself in a particular situation that maybe otherwise he wouldn't have been in.

[C]

Oh, for sure. He had two bad bitches. He was like, oh, my God, I'm in heaven.

[A]

And that is really hard to navigate. Like, I'm sorry. If I was in a situation where I never had two people wanting me, I would drag the shit out, too. I'd be like, and what do you bring? And how you gonna make me feel? I would drag it to hell. Like, he was in some predicament. New territory for him.

[C]

It was unchartered.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Very unchartered. He didn't know what to do. Yeah.

[C]

And I was being dragged, girl. I was just letting that man drag.

[A]

But you need to give yourself some grace.

[C]

I'm trying.

[A]

Because as much as yes, I, of all people, can relate to the whole Pick Misha thing, but it's also, there's a glimmer of hope that when you go on these shows, you are like, this could be me. I could find my husband. This experiment has worked. It could work. So, yes, there is a level of, pick me, pick me. I want a husband. But that's why you went on the show.

[C]

Yeah. True. Very true.

[A]

Give yourself a little bit of grace.

[C]

Very true.

[A]

Because at the end of the day, you left.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I. I wish you were on a season before me, so then I could see what to do.

[C]

I should have walked the out. Because you should have walked out in the pods.

[B]

You feel like, girl, you gonna be knocking on the doors.

[A]

If it would have brought me. If leaving early would have brought me to where I am here today, I would have 100 walked the out.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Wasted my damn time.

[C]

But you know what? Y' all were. Y' all were a really good example. Example, though.

[A]

Yeah. Because of how to leave.

[C]

Yeah. I. Yeah, I'm. Unlike here. I watched every single season, and then leading up into it, I re. Watched season one and season four and season six, and I was like, yeah.

[A]

Those are the top the.

[C]

Yeah. The seasons.

[A]

If you want to know what I.

[B]

Can watch season one, season.

[C]

Season one and season four, season six gonna piss you off.

[A]

It is gonna irritate you.

[C]

It's gonna piss you off.

[B]

Where is that located?

[A]

Charlotte. That's my season.

[B]

Oh, okay. Okay.

[C]

Yeah. Charlotte. So.

[B]

But don't have me watching it now. I'm gonna be. Y' all. Don't have me tweeting three years later. Years later.

[C]

I gotta be mad.

[A]

Yeah, you're gonna be mad.

[C]

Yeah. So I think, like, in watching it, y' all were really good examples. And I. Girl, I probably wouldn't. I probably would have, and. But I was like, okay. I think that there is ownership that I can have in this experiment. And even though the journey was messy, that's kind of like my life. Like, my journeys are always messy. But. But, you know, you make the decision, and that's ultimately what happens.

[A]

And it's raw, and it's real. And I think a lot of people still to this day don't understand that those are real, raw feelings.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So you expressed it, and you did what you had to do.

[C]

My rule for engagement day is if it's not a hell yes, it's a hell yes, it's a hell no. And I had never felt a hell yes, and I didn't feel that then. I felt like I like this guy, but I also felt like I was like, I know people on the Internet are like, she was bullying him. I'm like, maybe we was bullying each other. Because I felt like I also was, like, kind of going through. I was going through a lot, and some of it was myself and the overthinking. But you wouldn't feel like that. That's not a hell yes kind of feeling on your engagement day. And so I don't think that I would have said yes even if I would have shown up. I don't think I would have said yes.

[A]

Yeah. Do you think there's anything different you could have done to make it work between you two?

[C]

No.

[B]

I love what you said, and I think it needs to be repeated. If it is not a hell yes on your wedding day, it is a hell no.

[C]

It's a hell no. It's a hell no.

[B]

And that's in the pods on Love Is Mine or in the real world. It needs to be a hell yes. Without a doubt.

[C]

100%. Yeah. So, no, I don't think me and Kevin were meant to be married. I think that. I think that Kevin was brought in my life for a reason. I think I was brought in Kevin's life for a reason, and I am so grateful for that, which is why you see me kind of wanting to go back and explain that. And then before I leave, before I exit the show, I want to show you respect for what you've been able to teach me, but, like, I don't think there's anything that I could have or should have done to then be with him. And I think that was a lesson for me going in. I thought I wanted to be married by any means. I was like, I want to be married by any means. The worst nightmare of my life is dying alone. Right. I left there, and I felt like I met the means, and I was like, I don't want to be married by any means anymore. You know, like, I met the means. The means were met. I met the means. And I was like. Like meeting that was an awakening for me. I was like, no, you don't, girl. You do not want to be married by yourself. Like, you have standards, you have boundaries, you have expectations. Like, what are we doing here? And so that was a. That was a good lesson to walk away with. And I think we served a purpose in each other's lives. But be together long term now.

[A]

Yeah. Overall, how has it been? Watching back and seeing Kevin's confessionals and his conversations about you guys or you in particular with other guys.

[C]

It'S been cringy seeing somebody. Seeing somebody's mannerisms that you heard behind. It's just. It's a very.

[A]

It's different.

[C]

It's different.

[A]

It's different.

[C]

It's a very different experience. So I do think that hearing his confessionals, outside of the whole seeing thing, it was interesting because I never really got a ton of, like, he was saying in the confessionals, like, I like Tyler or whatever, and I feel like. I feel like I got some of that, but I feel like he was very honest about him navigating different dating relationships, because he wasn't just dating Kia. He was dating multiple people. He was always kind of honest about that. So the whole Like, Tyler, it's you. I feel like that level of clarity when it mattered early on, maybe day one or day two. He said it, but didn't really come until the end. So that was interesting, but it wasn't. It wasn't, like, affirming or anything. It was just interesting to see.

[A]

So how did it feel seeing Kia tell Kevin that you deserved more as well on their final date?

[C]

Iconic. I feel like I've watched that scene so many times because it's like, just standing up and seeing outside of the context of the show, seeing a black woman stand on business like that in a way that was so, like, clear and articulate and assured and empowered. And then to remember, like, oh, she's talking about me too.

[B]

I'm talking about you.

[C]

I know, but it was just like, I was an outsider looking in at first, and then it's just like, oh, to be a part of this moment right now is beautiful. But I was just so. I was so impressed. I was so proud of my girl because I didn't know what Kia and Kevin's dynamic was like. And so I'm thinking, my girl about to sell off into the Mexican sunset.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Like, I left my flat iron behind because Kia forgot her flat iron, so she would use her flat iron. My flat iron. Every morning.

[B]

Yes, yes.

[C]

So I gave the flat iron a production. I said, my girl and I go in America with no fluffy hair, give her my flat iron. And so I had no idea until her and I talked, and she kind of walked me through it all. But to see it, I said, you was playing it cool, baby. You stood on business. So it was iconic. That's powerful. Thank you.

[A]

That was really nice to see, especially, like, you had done it before and then not expecting her to go in there and have your back, and then you have her back. It's just sisterhood.

[B]

Did you expect me to have your.

[C]

Back like that or it wasn't. I didn't expect you to think about me at all. Like, I not think about me at all. I didn't expect that I was a part of Yalls journey. Like, in my mind, I'm like, kia's so cool. I'm over here panicking about a million things. Kia's so cool. Either she's about to sell off into the Mexican sunset or she'll leave on her own terms. So it wasn't even a expectation in general.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. So we did not discuss you in any of our dates.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Until maybe the very last. There's one moment when I'm like, You, Me and Tyler. That's the first time I had ever even said your name.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So for the most part, you weren't a part of our journey. We never had any conversations about. I never even asked him if he had another connection. Yeah. Until we. That moment where I was like, you meet me. You and Tyler.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

But you and I had built a relationship outside of the Kevin situation. So regardless of if you were a part of our journey or not, it was always gonna be in me to speak for both of us when I say that we both deserve more, Period. That was easy. That was the easiest part.

[A]

That's on that. On that.

[C]

On that.

[A]

Yeah. Why did you decide not to go to the squad meetup once the couples were back in Ohio?

[C]

Girl, I wasn't invited to the squad meetup. I received no invite.

[A]

Did you check your junk mail?

[C]

I checked my junk mail. I checked my text messages. I said, I get it.

[A]

Wait, why weren't you invited?

[C]

I don't know.

[A]

We still don't know. Till this day.

[C]

I have no idea. I genuinely have no idea.

[A]

That's weird.

[C]

I don't know why you gotta ask. You gotta ask Dylan.

[A]

I'm gonna get to the bottom of it.

[C]

Yeah, for sure.

[B]

80'S on the case. Yeah.

[A]

I wanna know. I definitely wanna know.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Well, I'll put a pin in that.

[C]

I would have went. I had outfit and everything.

[A]

You had something to say to Kevin or. No, if you had gone.

[C]

I don't even think it was about having anything to say to Kevin. I think it was like one being able to see everybody there. And I think there is this element of like, you know, you put on something cute, be with your girl, like, see Kia, and kind of share with him. That like, man, you kind of take.

[B]

Took.

[C]

You took me through it at least. But it really. I really had nothing big to say. Maybe that's why they didn't invite me, because there was so much closure in my journey and in my story. I had so much peace about it that probably the reasons why I wanted to go is a little immature anyways. And. And so. Yeah. But there was nothing major I needed to ever get off my chest with Kevin.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You're trying to get that fit off.

[C]

It was cute.

[B]

What was it?

[A]

Tell me.

[C]

It was a little Hanifa joint, you know? I love you.

[A]

Love you some honey.

[B]

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

[C]

I need to join. Try and get off.

[B]

You can still get it off, though.

[C]

I am. There's time.

[A]

There's time. There's time. There's time. Okay, well, thank you for all of that, cuz. That was. Do you feel like you cleared. Cleared up a bunch?

[C]

I think I cleared up a lot. Yeah. Okay. The things that were important.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Amazing. So, Kia, you're in the hot seat now, girl. It's warm and she set you up to. You better spill. Be spilling all the tea. I need it all.

[B]

It's all on the floor. All no questions will go unanswered.

[C]

That's.

[A]

Yes. The energy I need.

[B]

Bible.

[A]

Okay, so you came across very grounded throughout the whole experience. What was your mindset going into the pods?

[B]

Going into the pods? I honestly was. I didn't have any expectations, so I was like, I'm just going to be my authentic me. And my authentic me is guarded. It is pretty grounded. It is all of those things. So it wasn't really difficult for me to navigate the situation because that's. That's how I navigate all of my friendships and relationships. The difficult part was the vulnerability piece and not understanding. Girl, once you're vulnerable, you can't turn it off.

[A]

Yeah. It's a faucet.

[B]

Nobody. Nobody told me that. And I dare to say if somebody were to have explained that part, maybe I would not have gone on Love is Blind. Because now I'm so vulnerable. I'm like, you are very.

[A]

It's. It's weird because you're behind a wall, but you're the most exposed you've ever been.

[B]

Yeah. There were things that I talked about with the girls, with the producers, with Kevin that I haven't shared with my friends of, like, 10 and 12 years.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

So a lot of the texts that I got were like, girl, what? Like, huh? Are you kidding me? And so a lot of this process thus far has been me exploring that vulnerability and what does that look like? And sometimes letting myself cry and all of those things that women, especially black women, don't allow themselves to do. Because we are trying to be strong and we're trying to save face, and we really need to be a lot gentler with ourselves. And that journey for me started within this. Love is blind.

[A]

I'm so tired of hearing black women being strong.

[C]

Girl.

[B]

Oh, my God. Girl. Yes.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I don't want to see another text saying, I'm so strong, though.

[A]

I'm actually not. I'm actually not. Yeah, I'm soft and I'm tired. Did you have any other. Okay, let's take a break. Let's take a breather for soft life Black people.

[B]

I need a sabbatical. Actually, girl, it was Beautiful.

[C]

My sabbatical was phenomenal. After I healed. Yes, it's great.

[A]

We need a break. We need breaks. Kia, did you have any connections other than Kevin that we didn't get to see?

[B]

Okay, this may sound crazy, but I cannot even remember all of the men.

[A]

Their name doesn't sound crazy at all.

[B]

Like, yeah, I did not have many other strong connections. What I did have were really good conversations. I can't put names to them, but a lot of. Obviously we talked a lot in those pods. You can't see everything. Not everything makes a cut. But something that I stood really firmly on was my political beliefs. And I had a ton of conversations about that in the pods with men who had opposing beliefs and being in this experiment in the real world. I'm not teaching you anything about something that's coming from me. Not at this big ass age. Not at this age ever, ever, ever. So we're in the pods and you have a little bit more time. Maybe I got three more minutes to have a conversation with you about this. And I do think a lot of the men were able to understand a little more of what was going on because the framing that it is Republican against Democrat is just so not true. It is all of us against hate. And what I do not stand for is hate. And someone who's hateful is definitely not going to be laying in bed next to me or someone who voted for hateful shit.

[A]

So was there a lot of opposing views in the.

[B]

Absolutely. It's Ohio.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, so I. My dates dwindled in the beginning.

[A]

She cut it in half.

[B]

Yeah, no, I was. I was walking out on dates. Actually, there are a few. That. That was my deal breaker.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So everyone's starting their dates with what's your favorite color? I was like, so what are your deal breakers? I would let them speak and I would say, okay, well, my deal breaker is if you voted for this man. So your move. And there's no way around that for me.

[A]

Grab your blanket, grab your journal, grab.

[B]

Your drink, and let's head out.

[C]

Let's.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Okay. So let's talk about Yalls love triangle. Did that feel competitive to you at all?

[B]

No. There was never a time that it felt like a competition. And I didn't even know that we were dating the same man until everything kind of came to a head.

[C]

And can we talk about that? Because it is not edit that way. It edits like he is in the room every time I say Kevin's name.

[A]

And saying every time you spoke, it would pan to her feeding face by the.

[C]

She wasn't even there. Like, she wasn't even in the room.

[A]

Interesting.

[C]

So, yeah.

[B]

Yeah. No, I had no idea that they were dating. And even after finding that out, again, you don't get to see all of Tyler and I's moments. But I was, like, ending my dates early to console her because I was like, we are the only black women here left. If I'm taking a potty break and she's on the couch crying, well, girl, let's rap about it. Because it is way more important to me to prioritize my sisterhood relationships than it is to prioritize a man.

[A]

Yeah. There's always, like, slight conversation about, this is not like, love is friends or this is love is blind. And I don't think people understand the camaraderie that you have as women. Yes.

[C]

When you're women.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Period. And I think for us, as black women, one thing that I was, again, overthinker, hyper fixated on is that there was a point where we were the only ones left. And it was after everything blew up, and it's just me and Kia. And I was picking up on the fact that, like, I knew they were making a storyline out of it. All the cameras would turn to us. It's five other people in the room. Why y' all all looking at me and Kia? We just sitting here eating a sandwich. And so we had a very intense conversation on that couch of, like, this ain't that. And we looked dead at the camera and said, this ain't that. So whoever back there in the editing room, however you gonna chop and screw that we will defend. That's the script.

[A]

Fix the script.

[C]

I call him Eddie. Whoever back there, Eddie. I'm like, eddie, you gonna have to fix it, or we will clarify that, because it was never that Kia was there for me. I was there. Well, I wasn't really there for Kia because Kia was so cool. Kia was calm.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

But I feel like we had a very, very good bond. Solid.

[B]

And it was important to me that even if I was, you know, being there for Tyler, that that wasn't coming into the pods with me. So. And I don't know if I ever told you that, but I was never like, tyler's out there crying. Kevin. Yeah. What did you do? Yeah. What's going on like that that'll have anything to do with me when I'm dating? It's me and you locked in all the. You have to block out the noise. So you could do two things at the Same time, I can console my girl and also figure out where this guy's head's at.

[A]

Girl, your head was on tight, huh? Cause I would have went in there like, what did you do? And why is she crying?

[B]

What's going on?

[A]

And what is. What's tea good for you? Because I wouldn't have been able to separate that.

[B]

Yeah, well, I also was like, I'm gonna see. I. Like, I'm a person who likes to gather all of my information and make sure that the thoughts that are coming out of my mouth are accurate. My word, for the most part, is bond. So that's why it was super important for me to let everything be known at the end. Like, don't think I haven't peeped everything that's happened thus far, Kevin. I see everything, and you've told me I'm too good for you. Tyler is also too good for you, period.

[A]

So can we end the show with that line?

[C]

No.

[B]

And cut. And cut.

[A]

Were you sharing with the other ladies in the pods that you were dating, Kevin?

[B]

No, I was. There was one moment where one of the castmates asked me towards the end, but that's after, like, the drama is happening, and so she kind of gets on the couch, and I had to say it, but I was. I was making sure that I did not discuss any of that, because I know how that gets once you start dropping names. We're all dating each other, Then we get knocking on doors, like. And I'm like, we're not. We're not doing that. Because I value these women so much that let's not overcomplicate a situation that's already complicated.

[A]

Right. What was going through your head when Tyler left and then came back and apologized to you?

[B]

What was going on in the back?

[A]

Cause we kind of got her perspective. What was happening with you?

[B]

I was, like, confused by all of it, because that was after I had a date with Kevin, and for the first time ever, I talked about my mom. And again, the vulnerability piece.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I was processing the fact that I just told national TV that my mom had a drug addiction. And so I'm in the back, like, getting ready for my confessional, and she comes running out, and she's like, that's a good man. And I'm like, in my head, I'm thinking, oh, shit. Like, my family, my mom, like, you know, all of these things. I was on a completely different page. It's her wasn't thinking about that at all. So they end up having you, I think, go into the dressing room. And they are telling me, okay, switch out of your interview. Look, because we're not interviewing you anymore. We're gonna interview her. Switch back into your things. And I can feel the tension from her of all of the things that are going on. And now I'm feeling terrible because I'm like, The last thing that I wanna do is make another woman feel uncomfortable. So I have no context that you guys had had a completely separate conversation. For me, it's. Oh, shit. Like, things are getting crazy because of. You know, because of me. And my head is trying to figure out how I'm going to communicate my pain from my mom's situation. So we. I go back into the lounge, and I had. I wrote you a letter because I thought you were leaving. And then I ended up having my producer take it because you came back. And then I told you the same person, what is it?

[C]

What is it?

[B]

I was like, I don't know what's going on, babe, but I love you. I'm always gonna be here for you. I can't wait to talk about this later. And I even. I ran up to her. I took my mic off. My producer was like, girl, I took my mic off, and I was like, tyler, I love you. You're such a baddie. Like, we're gonna talk about this. I don't know what's happening. This was right before you went into your interview room. And I think that's probably the moment you were like, oh, she don't even know what's going on.

[C]

My tension was never with Kia. I thought, Kia. Okay, so there was another reason why I thought that we knew why I knew that Kia was dating Kevin. There was a point where I realized we could never be on dates at the same time. So. But that didn't really click to me until after the dinner thing happened. And I was like, oh, we're dating the same guy? Is that the reason why we can't go on dates at the same time? And so in my mind, I was like, there's a possibility that she knows, et cetera. But the tension that you felt was not for her. It was just, like, tension from that hole.

[B]

But for me, it was tension for me. So I am, like I said, I pride myself on sisterhood. So immediately I'm like, oh, shit, how do I fix this? What's going on? So I go back into the lounge, and I had kind of built this rapport with the ladies that, like, I am there for you guys for any and everything, but I am not a vulnerable person. And I'M working through what that looks like. So don't ask me questions, don't pry, because that's not me. I will talk when I want to talk. And I love that the women respected that, because when I walked in that room, even though they knew it had just been chaos, then asked me.

[A]

They just let you process?

[B]

Yep, they let me process on my couch by myself. I did my little writing, and then Tyler comes back in. I'm like, oh, okay, what's going on? Redo? And I'm like, okay. I was like, does that mean we have to refilm? Cause again, I had never seen Love is Blind. And so I'm like, I thought this was unscripted, but we're gonna redo it. What's happening right now?

[C]

I know your producer got a raise. He produced the shit out of you. Yeah, yeah, I tried. I asked him if I could take the back alleyway. I was like, I gotta go through the woman's lounge. I just said Biden. He was like, nope, you gotta go through the women's lounge. You know that on TikTok, that's like.

[B]

Hey, well, we're from America's Next Top Model, where she's walking in. Yes, yes. So that's what was going through my mind. I was like, okay, I can't wait for her to come out. But I also was mindful that, oh, we're two black women dating the same guy. She just stormed out now. She just stormed back in. The cameras are going to be on us as soon as she comes back in. And I'm not playing into any of this because that's not what this is, period.

[C]

Oh, man.

[A]

The things that, like, we have to be aware of.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

It just never ends.

[C]

I feel like it never ends.

[A]

It's just season after season after season. I'm hearing the black women saying. We're all saying the same thing. I have to be aware of how I show up. I have to be aware, like, you can't just show up and fall in love. You can't just show up and focus on your date. You're like, am I looking angry? Am I looking desperate? Am I now pickmecia. Am I this? Are my lashes? Is my hair that? You can't just show up and be.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Mediocre.

[C]

No. You can't even show up and be great. You have to be excellent.

[B]

You have to be perfect.

[A]

You have to be perfect.

[B]

Not watching the show, I didn't realize that this was, like, actually a really big deal. Netflix is number one, like, one of the Number one shows.

[C]

She was driving us crazy.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

She was like, it's just happening.

[B]

No, literally, I was like, it's not that big of a deal. Like, people will watch it. Maybe they won't watch it. Everybody's watching.

[A]

Everyone's watching.

[B]

Everybody's watching.

[A]

Everyone's watching. Yeah.

[B]

But I think I loved that, though, because I was authentically me the entire time. Like, and I'm proud of that. So same.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Did y' all know? Did Kevin watch the show before he went on? Did he know what was going on?

[C]

I don't think so. I think he knew of the show, but I don't think that he's ever watched the show. I know when I. So I had one conversation with Kevin after filming, and he affirmed the fact that he was not ready to be married at all. He was like, bro, I will. Like, I did not realize what that was. And he expressed a sense of, like, that was a very overwhelming thing, and I didn't expect that to happen. I'm like, did you not. I didn't think anybody didn't watch the show, so I don't think he did.

[A]

Yeah, well.

[B]

But that's also interesting, though, because though I did not watch the show, I still knew what the show entailed. Like, I still knew that I was coming on here to be vulnerable, to potentially meet my Forever.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so.

[C]

Oh, I ain't giving no excuses. I'm just telling you what he's saying.

[A]

Giving Kevin a watch in your dad's honor was a really powerful gesture. What did that mean to you in the moment?

[D]

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[C]

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[D]

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[B]

Why have we asked our contractor we.

[C]

Found on Angie.com to be our kid's legal guardian?

[B]

Because he took such good care when.

[C]

Redoing our basement that we knew we.

[B]

Could trust him to care for for.

[C]

Our kids, all eight of them, should.

[A]

Something happen to us. Are you my dad now?

[C]

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[B]

Yeah. So you don't see all of the talking that happened.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And prior to that, the day before, I let him know, like, you know, I've been wearing this watch, and it was my first time wearing a watch, which is a whole thing. But the next day, I start out by letting him know, hey, for me, this watch. I came here on this show thinking that I would give this watch to the love of my life. And within this, I've learned that sometimes you can be called for something greater. So, Kevin, I want you to take this watch and hold yourself accountable. I want you to take this watch and think about the time left that you have with your mother. I want you to take this watch and understand that you're on no one's time but your own. So it was not me giving the watch to pay homage to my father. It was me giving this watch to someone who needed to be reminded that you need to start clocking in.

[A]

Okay. Okay. That's actually pretty dope. Thank you. What did he. How did he take it?

[B]

He was very overwhelmed, and he, like, said that he needed a minute. He was like, I thought that I knew what I wanted in a wife. And then I met you. And I think that a lot of our conversations were. Was him coming to an understanding of what marriage really is, what it means to be a partner. And so it was a little bit of a learning curve. But me being in this experiment, I was allowing myself to give time to something that I typically don't give time to, because as soon as a man tells me I'm too good for them, you're not getting a text back. I'm not answering the phone. There's not much for us to talk about. But if I'm in this vulnerability state and I'm giving this an opportunity to open up a little bit, I do think that there's beauty in understanding where somebody's coming from and kind of guiding them to a conclusion of understanding what they need to work on 1000%.

[A]

You gave grace.

[B]

I was doing the best I can with what I got. You did good.

[A]

You did really, really good. When you told him that he wasn't ready to be a husband, what do you think that meant specifically for me?

[B]

It was, kevin, you are not sound or stable in any regard. Financially, emotionally. You know, all of the things he needs to take some time to understand who he is, what he wants, what his purpose. It looks like. And none of those things are. If you don't have that, you're not ready to be my husband, for damn sure, but definitely anyone's husband.

[A]

Do y' all think he came on the show, Right. Ready to be, like, thinking he was ready to be a husband and then got a reality check or he just came on the show for vibes and.

[C]

Ooh.

[B]

I think that. I think that he came on and maybe he did. Yeah. Want to. Wanted to be a husband. But I think, again, I think a lot of men want to be husbands.

[C]

And desire was surface level. It was a very surface level, like, desire.

[A]

Like, I want to be a husband as long as you don't challenge me.

[C]

Yeah. And. But I also think that it. I think it was a combination of vibes and I want to be a husband. I think it's like, this is something new to do.

[A]

This is fun.

[C]

Tv, tv, et cetera. And I think I'm also open to being a husband. But there was no additional thought put into what kind of husband. What qualities does it take to become a husband? Like, I don't think there was depth of knowledge of what that title actually.

[B]

Meant, and I honestly don't think that he was. He thought he was going to be challenged in the ways that he was.

[C]

Because he was not ready for that at all.

[B]

Yeah. At all. So.

[A]

Huh. Okay.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, Kia, when you decided that you didn't want to continue with Kevin and that you needed to choose yourself, how was that?

[B]

It was so empowering. It was such a special moment because throughout the. I was giving myself the grace to explore something that, like I said before, typically does not get explored.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The things that Kevin. The alignment was not there, but I was still like, you know what? I'm here. Let me explore this. Let's see what's going on. And so at the very end, it meant so much to me to be very clear about why this was not going to work. And it's not because we are in a love triangle. It is because you are not the right man. And there are so many things that you need to work on to be the right man for any women.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Because what you put now is not what any woman needs to be picking up right now.

[A]

Do you think there's anything that you could have done different, differently to make things work between you two? No.

[B]

Absolutely not. No, no, no, no.

[C]

Hard. No. Yeah.

[B]

Immediately now.

[A]

Yeah. Do you think if he was knowing all that, you know now, do you think if he was a. Maybe 10% more ready to be a husband, that he would be somebody that you would.

[B]

It would need to be maybe 90% more yeah. Yeah. I think we had some really good conversations. What. What I liked and appreciated about Kevin is I am a bit of a slow burn. So we weren't talking about the day two questions on day two. He was allowing me to get to know him personally. He was peeling back my layers, and like I said, within vulnerability. I think any woman just needs reassurance, time, and patience, and so that's what I appreciated. That. Was that 10%.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But I need a 92. I need that 90.

[A]

Understandable. So you did go to the Pod Squad meetup back in Ohio without giving anything away. What was that experience like for you?

[B]

It was. It was really interesting. Was an odd day for me because it actually. It actually was my dad's 50th birthday, and he passed away when I was 15. So I contemplated if I was going to go or not because I knew that my emotions were kind of going to be all over the place. And I didn't want it to be misconstrued that it was because of the situation. But I will say it was. It's taxing letting someone. Hearing someone out when you've already said all of the things that you've said. Like I said before, I do not need to hear any man out after he lets me know that I am too good for him.

[A]

You said what you said.

[C]

Yeah, I said what I said.

[B]

We don't need to circle back, but.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

So did you know that Tyler wasn't invited when you.

[B]

No, I didn't. Well, because we were told to keep everything under wraps. So. The girls. I saw the girls the night before the mixer or Girls Girl Squad party. We had a. We had a girls night the night before, and they were all. They were all going to the mixer. I knew I was invited to the mixer, but I did not tell them. So when you see. I don't know if it'll be played, but when you see their reactions of me walking in, they genuinely are like, girl, we just saw you last night, and you did not even say that you were gonna be here. So I did not know what was going on until after Tyler texted me. And she's like, girl, I heard you went to the mixer, like. And I'm like, yeah, girl, we gonna need to chat about it. Like, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Was that the first time you saw him? Yes. Cause you didn't look him up on socials?

[B]

No, I did not look him up on socials. I was staying true to the experiment, and I always knew that maybe I was going to go to the mixer. So prior to. He DMed me, like, a voice. A voice memo. And I didn't even listen to that until after the mixer because I wanted everything to be blind. Like, you know, I'm following.

[A]

The whole thing is blind.

[B]

Everything's blind. Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was. I feel like that whole ordeal was such a whirlwind because it was a lot of. Of regulating emotions. I'm regulating my emotions. I'm doing a bit of regulating my sisters. I'm in the pods regulating his situations. And so it was a bit overwhelming, but it was also full of growth, I think, for everyone. And when I ended up leaving, I felt so impactful, and I honestly, I've never felt as impactful as that moment when I come back out and the girls are, like, in tears, and they're like, we. That's so inspiring. And I'm kind of looking around, like, all I did was be myself, you know, And I think that there's so much beauty in showing up 100% you and that leaving a mark on people.

[A]

Yeah, you did. I think, think you. Both of you leaving healed a little bit of me as well, because I'm just like, you chose yourselves.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's beautiful. And I think it's going to be really impactful for women, especially women that look like us, to be like, choose yourself, and it's okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You will survive, and you will get a man, and you will have a baby, and life goes on.

[C]

A beautiful baby.

[A]

Thank you. Thank you.

[C]

And I think the journey can look different. I think one thing I want to get across is that, like, black women aren't a monolith. You know, we don't all have the exact same personality and perspective, and all of our journeys are going to look different. And so as I look back, I have some judgment to myself, but then I have to release some of that shame and be like, it's a little bit messy. I'm proud that I got to the destination right, and that's okay. And as women in general and as people and humans in general, we all have our weird little journeys that we go on, some more direct than others, and that's fine.

[A]

No one has the rule book.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

No one. We're all just doing day by day, Literally.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Taking everything day by day.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So looking back, is there anything that either of you would have done differently?

[C]

I would have left the first time girls. I would have. You know, I think that, like, staying did teach me a life lesson, but I think I could have. I could have learned that Lesson a different way.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

So I think it's. If I don't regret anything but my gut and my instinct, even if I can't translate it 100%, was right. It was spot on. And to then take myself through, like, this emotional journey of coming in and out of myself, that I would do different, it's like, that was unnecessary. And then I think, like, I lean towards being more of, like, an open book. And I do think, looking back on it, I kind of was icked out. Cause I'm like, I've seen this show. I hate the girls who be in the lounge. Like, my man. My man. My man. Like, girl, you don't even know that man. And so looking back at that, I'm like, girl, shut up.

[A]

It's something in the air. I think they blow it in the ac. You, like, lose all your shit when you get in.

[C]

It's so weird. I'm like, calm down, babe. Because, again, what you don't see is, Jay, like, days three, four, and five where I'm like, this is not. Not my man at all. You don't see that. But you do see me. Like, oh, it's not me. I like Kevin. You dating Kevin? You dating Kevin? Girl, shut up. Shut up. Be quiet. So if you can go back and wave the magic wand, I'll probably do some of that different. Yeah.

[A]

What about you, Kia?

[B]

I would do everything the exact same. I don't have any regrets. I think that I'm proud of myself most for letting everything play out and practicing patience. And, like I said, again, the vulnerability piece. I feel like we can be so hard on ourselves about what I should have done, what I could have done, what I didn't say what. All of those things, but not at all. I showed up and did exactly what I do every single day, which is just be me, period. Yeah, y' all sit on business.

[A]

Is there anything about your journey that's. That you guys want to clarify to the audience? I know you went through the sound bits and what was right and what was wrong and what didn't, but is there anything else that y' all want to clarify?

[C]

I want to go through mine again, just to make sure I said it here. I would never choose a man over money.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

We can't run into liquor. I would never choose a man over money. I just want to clarify that piece right there. Just re. Clarify that. 2. When Kia came in with the basketball, did we talk about that?

[A]

No, we didn't.

[C]

Okay. When Kia came in with her gift, I went up To Kim was like, oh, my God. Like, what is your gift? I think we even had a little joke about love and basketball because you had told me that. I equally feel like that is a humiliation ritual that happened there at the end.

[B]

Horror film.

[C]

Horror film. Scary, spooky.

[A]

Spooky.

[B]

Like, my God, Crazy, scary, spooky. Hilarious.

[C]

You dunk on me. So I think we kind of.

[B]

With a bad knee, you went out of your way.

[A]

Then you took off the knee brace to do further damage.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Okay, so there was a. It looks like I'm side eyeing her and I'm doing all of this.

[A]

Like.

[C]

Like, that wasn't what that was like, up until the very end, my accountability, even a little unhinged accountability was towards Kevin. It was never like, so what you got going on? So I don't like that when she came in with the gift, like, it was never that.

[B]

So those are the big things.

[A]

So to clarify, we good here?

[C]

We good.

[A]

We're good here.

[B]

And even watching it back, like I said, emotions are high for everyone. So I don't fault anything that folks said during that time because I get it. Everybody's all over the place and we're saying anything and everything. And my man, my man, my man. It is what it is.

[A]

Like, I used to, like, have such a strong stance on. I think you should watch the show before you go on. Now I'm like, maybe don't watch it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because you're still, like, level heading it. Like, it gives you a perspective where it's just like, you don't have that in the back of your head of what AD did in season six or what somebody did in season four. You don't have that, like, trauma, like, playing in your brain.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And even it also, it mattered. Everything that happened on the show mattered a lot less in terms of when I watched it back. Tyler called me that morning, and she was like, okay, like, how are we feeling? And even, you know, a couple people texting me, like, wait a minute, what's going on with y'?

[A]

All?

[B]

Da, da, da. And I was like, like, y', all, I do not care what was said. Like, I have talked to Tyler. It is what it is.

[C]

I am.

[B]

We are all adults. So onward and upward.

[A]

Okay. Is there anything that happened, like, on you guys season that we didn't get to see any tea, anything?

[C]

Here's the problem. I told you, I fast forwarded through everybody else's chef.

[A]

She said, we don't know what you saw.

[C]

I don't know. Oh, I do have a funny thing That I want to clarify. So there's like this scene where I say, I. I just wish I could go on somebody else's date right now. I wasn't talking about Key and Kevin. I wanted to be so nosy and know what was going somewhere else. So me and a couple of the other girls broke into the pod.

[A]

Girl.

[C]

So like, we broke in. I know I broke into, like, Ashley's pod. We was like interviewing Alex, asking him all these questions. So there was a lot of funny. Cause you're just idle. You're in there for like sometimes 10 hours. You could be in the woman's lounge straight. You get bored and real creative on how you want to entertain yourself. And so that's. That's probably all the tea that I have. Otherwise, I just don't know what is aired and what's not aired.

[B]

I take back my answer. If I could do something a little differently, I would have been a little more creative. When I got bored, I was sleeping.

[C]

My girl stayed with me.

[A]

Yeah, the naps ate.

[C]

I was too self conscious on them cameras. They was close. And I'm not a cute sleeper. And I'm not a cute. No, I'm not. I don't wake up like this. I love Beyonce. Y' all know I love Beyonce. I wake up smacked. So I'm like, I can't go to sleep on.

[A]

No. And you know when it's like just you and the camera and you think you're gonna take a nap and then.

[B]

You look and he's like, like, yes, girl.

[C]

They was all up in your journals. You be journaling something real deep. It's a camera right here. Like, reading everywhere, business everywhere. So, yeah.

[A]

Have either of you spoken to Kevin since leaving the pods, besides that party that you went to?

[C]

Mm.

[A]

Mm.

[C]

No, I have.

[A]

You have.

[C]

So Kevin and I spoke when we were on our way to the airport. And so I was on my way to the airport leaving, and I'm on the phone with Dynasty and Dynasty Shares. Oh, my God. I think Kevin just followed me on Instagram and I'm like, what? I'm nosy. Like, he is a class act.

[A]

Okay?

[C]

I want to know what that man look like. So I immediately go on my Instagram and I see Kevin's following me. He sends a voice note and he.

[A]

Couldn'T wait to get his phone. Huh, girl.

[C]

Got them voice notes off. So he and I had a conversation because I was. I was so irritated that at the comment of, like, I am not ready to be a husband, that I was like, I gotta Call this man and be like, what was you doing? Did you not watch the show? Like, do you not understand what this was? And when I called him, we talked for maybe, like, 35, 40 minutes. And it honestly was a good closure conversation for me, because it was confirmation that, girl, that's not your man. I'm so glad you did not go back in there. And he confirmed that, too. We had a very honest conversation of, like, tyler, I am not ready to be married at all. Like, that is what I was battling. I ain't got my stuff together. He was very honest with Kia about, like, his financial situation and his, like, some of the gaps in his life. I think he felt very comfortable to be vulnerable with Kia. They had that dynamic. Ours was real stressful in the last couple of days, as you can see. I don't think just battle. Yeah, we was at war. I don't think he felt comfortable at all. And so in that moment, he kind of communicated like, I got a lot of stuff. I gotta get together before I'm ready to be anyone's husband. And what I told him was like, I wish. I wish you would have told me that, but that's kind of on me, because you were telling me that.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And I was just trying to figure out if it was something different that you were saying, which is what it is.

[A]

He was, like, kind of beating around.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

He spilled the beans before I could even talk to Tyler and let him. He let her know what his and I conversation are like, because I was.

[C]

Like, what you doing here, Kevin? You not in Mexico? And he was like, no. Kia did her big one.

[A]

No, he didn't.

[C]

He said, yeah, Kia stood on. He didn't tell me the details, but he was like, kia stood on business. He said, I went into the pod with. With you. I was prepared to propose, like, all this stuff, and then you weren't there. I feel like I look like a fool because everybody was hyping me up to go in there. And then he said they went over to intercom and was like, tyler has decided to leave the experiment over the intercom. So this is what he told me. I don't know if this is what happened. This is what he told me. And then he said that then he went into the date with Kia, and before he could even get really, like, some quality words out, like, she stood on business. And I was like, what? Kia was nowhere to be found. I tried to call Kia. Kia phone was going straight to voicemail. Cause I wanted to know the details. My girl went to vacation real quick. So we didn't talk until, you know, several days or maybe even weeks later. But, yeah, he did give me that little tidbit.

[A]

Interesting. Who are each of you closest with from your season?

[B]

Ooh, I am super, super close with Jess, Emma, and Brit.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Brittany W. Yeah, we actually had dinner last night. Oh, yeah. It was her birthday on Tuesday.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So those are my girls. I also really like Bri, Dynasty, you know, Tyler and I. Oh, love Ashley. She's so funny. Honestly, that's what I was gonna say.

[C]

It's kind of hard.

[B]

It's kind of hard. Yeah. It's kind of hard to say. Really close. But I. I will say a thousand percent. Brit, Jess, Emma, those are my girls.

[C]

Yeah. I think the people that I'm closest to would be like, Dynasty, Bri, Priyanka, Kia. Ashley is hilarious again. I haven't seen her scenes. That girl is funniest.

[A]

You need to go home and watch the show.

[C]

I know I will today. We gonna do that today. But there wasn't any kind of. I don't know if this is, like, normal. There was no, like, weird stuff with any of the girls. We all had different things that were in common, but, like, that we had in common. Didn't have in common, but yeah.

[A]

What are yalls thoughts so far on fans reactions of the show?

[C]

They tearing my ass up, girl. They tearing me up.

[B]

What are they saying?

[C]

You know, I think the people who are really close to me and the people who, like, there's people who are, like, supportive and, you know, saying kind things. I think that in general, the comments are just like, girls, first of all, stand up. Second of all, you doing too much. You're all over the place. You need to go to therapy. And I'm like, I'm in it. I go twice a month. I mean, my therapist are locked in. But I get why if. Are you watching the edit? It does feel like emotionally unregulated, et cetera. And I think that it's unfortunate of what you don't see leading up to that. And I also think that was a weird, bizarre situation where I was a little unhinged. If I'm looking back on it, I'm like, girl, I can see me coming in and out of myself, like I said. And I also wanted to say, especially in terms of the whole go to therapy thing, healing does not look. Look like one big perfect picture one day. I think for me, authenticity going in was super important and just being myself and not having shame around that. And these last Couple of days. What I'm really proud of is that as soon as I go in that little shame spiral, I remember all the things I learned at therapy. Like, no, we love ourselves. And you might be different here. You might have learned a lesson here, but that's the whole beauty of therapy, is learning how to not be ashamed of who you are and how you think and how you process and how you come in and out of yourself. So, yeah, girl, they eat me up. But it's okay. It's fine. I think that I was myself, too, and I was fully authentic, even if it was a little bit messy. And I think the Internet is funny as hell. Like, I think that, like, they cracking actually hilarious jokes. And so I try not to just be a critic of people who are watching TV and responding to what they see on tv. Tv.

[B]

I love that you said that, because the Internet could be so scary and so mean. And I told you this even before we left. I was like, you know who you are. Yeah, I know who you are. The close. The people closest to you know who you are. No one on the Internet can tell you anything about Tyler.

[C]

Yeah, okay. Yeah.

[B]

You love Tyler. I love Tyler. There's so many people who. Yes, thank you. We're not listening to them. Comments, girl.

[A]

Like, yeah, okay. Well, I would give you advice, but my same advice, don't read the damn comments. They don't know what they're talking about, girl.

[C]

I keep trying not to, but then they will tag you. And I'm like, there had the.

[B]

The comp. The comments, the DMs, they. The outpour of support that I've gotten has been insane. I can't even. It's honestly what made me realize that this show is a big deal. Because I'm like, wait a minute. There are people in. I got a comment from Sweden. There was someone from Sweden who was like, I'm watching in Sweden, and you are amazing. Like, it makes me want to be a better communicator. There are people, like, you are teaching. Oh, you should teach a masterclass. And I'm like, wait, what? It's made me take a look. Take a step back and look at myself and be like, girl, that was amazing.

[A]

Your impact is different than what you probably thought it would at all.

[B]

Yeah, I went to sleep after binging it, and I was like, okay. Like, that's. Oh, you know, Like, I was like, that's over. I'm glad I was myself.

[A]

Back to normal life.

[C]

No.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

The next morning. And literally. Yeah. And so that's that's really cool. It's really cool. And I have been taking time to, like, read everything and soak it all in because it means so much to me. Like, hearing even one person say that I'm inspirational or I impacted them means the world. And I'm not gonna cry. But last year was one of my hardest years, and my vulnerability was cracked open within Love is Blind. And then I was tested every single month after leaving the show. And the person closest to me, my grandmother, did pass away. And so that's really hard. Really hard. Because the. Thank you. The, like, you know, strong girl in me is like, did she have to do this when I decided to be vulnerable? Like, because now I, you know, I wake up some days and I'm just, like, crying. And that's not typical me. So it's like I'm learning this whole vulnerability piece while also being thrown into these really life changing moments. And so to hear and see people say, you've changed my life, you've made an impact on me. One of the things that my grandmother always said in raising me and all my siblings is to leave whatever space you're in better than you found it. And that has always rung true for me, whether it's with a friendship, a relationship, anything. Even when I leave coffee shops, I'm always thinking about that. But it's even more true within her passing because I have to. I have to continue to honor her and honor that.

[C]

And you are.

[A]

You are.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

Being raised by my grandmother, she was, like, very strong and very. I loved all these things about her, but she was not a crier. And so I was raised to, like, take things with the chest and all of these things. So. So within rewriting or relearning all of these things, it's hard because I also love my grandmother so much, and she's not here. And so it's like this constant battle. And right before. She's the only person in my family that I told I was going on Love is Blind. And I flew to the bay because that's where I'm from, to see her, because I was like, if I'm gonna come back with a ring, my grandmother, like, I can't bombard her with that. And she has dementia, so I also knew she wasn't gonna tell nobody.

[A]

Bye.

[C]

No, seriously. Because I was like, they told me.

[B]

I couldn't tell anybody, and I was breaking the rule. This is the one rule I broke. I told my granny, and it was.

[A]

I told everybody.

[C]

Did you really? You're like, guess What I told my whole family, right.

[B]

I told her, and she was like, okay. Like, she was like, you better be strong. Like, this is tv. And even in that, I know she meant it in a loving way, but it was also like, she was telling me to be strong, which is the complete opposite of what I was going on the show to do. And when I got back from the show. Sorry. One of my, like, last conversations with her, I was, like, telling her, like, how much more vulnerable I was, and she was just so proud, and she was like, you know, I never reached that, and I'm 81. And it was just, like, such a moment. And I was, like, really proud of myself. And, like, I'm so mad at her for leaving in the, like, craziest year of my life. If she told me. I had kind of heard that maybe the show was gonna air in February and not. I think our original time was September. And so I was like, granny, like, it may be February, so me and you having a watch party. And she's like, I'm gonna be there, like. And so I'm so mad at her for not sticking to her word, but I understand.

[A]

I'm too postpartum for this.

[B]

I said I wasn't gonna tear up here.

[C]

Y' all know me. If I start crying, it's not gonna stop. So I'm. I can't do it.

[A]

That's okay, though. This is a safe space for us to let that out and to be vulnerable and to cry and laugh and Kiki. And this is what this is about. And the sisterhood and this journey that we've been on, like, it. It wasn't for nothing.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And it won't be for nothing. So.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Speaking of.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

What do you hope other black women watching take away from you on their screens?

[B]

Yeah. I hope that other women are looking at this and they are feeling like they can unapologetically be themselves. Whether that looks like not understanding where you're at with something or whether that looks like trying something that you've never tried before, you can be you, and that's okay. Period. Yeah. You know, like, I feel like we are often nitpicking every single thing about ourselves, and I. That was my biggest thing about going on the show is I am very much so perfectionist.

[A]

Yeah. Your biggest critic.

[B]

Yes, my biggest critic. And so I was, like. Even earlier when I walked in, I was like, you saw my Spanx? And I was, like, pissed about that. And my best friend was like, girl, you're worried about Spanx? And people are Telling you that you've impacted their lives.

[A]

Yeah. The bigger picture.

[B]

Get it together. So I just want women to be like, you know what? I could do whatever I want to do. I can say whatever I want to, as long as it's rooted in love.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And that's all. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

That tracks. That tracks. I'm not shocked that you're on brand. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Beautiful. Beautiful.

[C]

In a similar sentiment. But I'll expand a little bit more on authenticity and, like, you can just be yourself. And I said a little bit of that in terms of me professionally, but also personally as a black women, we become so over and hyper aware of everything. And there was some of that even as. As I was there. But I kept trying to tell myself, just be you because somebody is watching you. Even if being you is messy as this is that, like, just be you because you also will always remember what happened if you were yourself and you were. If you were living in truth. It's gonna be hard to remember what happened if you're living in a lie. And so I think that being authentic as a black woman is important. I think also as black women, we have some of the best instincts imaginable because we've had to, like, we have to survive. We have had to have these instincts. And I think we need to trust them. Trust them the first time and the second time and the third time, because we know we're designed that way. And so I hope seeing that you feel that as well, I love that.

[A]

Yeah. Just give me chills. And finally, I must know. The people must know. Okay, what is the relationship status? Are we single? Are we dating? You're in New York. You're in Atlanta. I know it's hot. I know it's hot.

[B]

You go first.

[C]

You say Atlanta. I know it's hot, girl. Atlanta is interesting. Okay. But no, I am. I am open, but I am also very full. And so I think I'm full. I think the bar has risen even higher. And I think it would just take a very special person to even, like, get me to go back into a space where I'm navigating dating. So I am single and kind of loving my singleness right now.

[A]

I love that. Beautiful.

[B]

I am still single.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But, you know, it's so funny because I went into the show hoping to meet my forever, but not. Not. I never felt like this was the end for me. And so I think that you kind of. I hope that people see that, and I think that that's something that women need to give theirself A lot more grace with. I refuse to settle by any means. Like, that is. That can't happen. Yeah. My standards were already high, so I think now it is really cool to be in a space where I'm dating and vulnerable, because like I said before, that was my feedback before is like, you know, cool as a cucumber.

[C]

Right.

[B]

But there's beauty in the mess. And maybe not as cool as a cucumber. Sometimes I could be a lukewarm cucumber, too, and that's okay. Yeah. Still looking for my king.

[A]

He's out there.

[B]

Yeah, he. Yeah, he out there putting in work. So he's ready for the passenger Princess.

[A]

Before we go, what's next for the both of you?

[C]

I think enjoying the life that I've created and. And not feeling sorry about it. Enjoying it, living in it, thriving in it. That's what's next for me. It's just enjoying the life that's in front of me, the life that I have now.

[B]

Yeah, Yeah, I know. That's right.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

We deserve to enjoy.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

The life that's in front of us.

[C]

Yes. I worked hard for this life.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Oh, yeah. You look good.

[C]

Thank you.

[A]

So enjoy it.

[C]

You look good.

[B]

What's next? What's next? What's next? I just wrapped, designing and launching, marketing a new dispensary in Ohio. So we didn't talk much. It wasn't displayed on the show. But my background is in cannabis and sports and entertainment, so opening up the dispensary just happened. I got into cannabis because of my mom, so, yeah. In terms of what's next, I want to figure out how I make all of my passions. Cannabis, sports, entertainment, me. Meet the crossroads with breaking stereotypes and impacting people. So leaning a lot more into advocacy and consulting and also championing women to be more vulnerable because I know what it looks like and feels like on the other side.

[A]

I really want to see that version of you publicly. The vulnerability is just. It's beautiful. And I really think if you think you were impactful from Love is Blind and that little snippet that we got to see of you, imagine what you could do with your own platform and talking to women and young girls all around the world and showing this side of you. So beautiful.

[B]

Thank you. I really appreciate you saying that. Love is Blind. That whole situation, like, literally changed my life, and I'm just so grateful that even though I had the worst year ever, it was also full of seeds that I can't wait to see the growth from and things that needed to happen.

[A]

All right, ladies, thank you so much for joining me today. I've been enjoying watching your season. It's giving me a little bit of ptsd, but I'm managing.

[C]

We can go to group therapy.

[A]

Yeah, group therapy.

[B]

Step by step.

[A]

Thank you, thank you, thank you for having us. And thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of what's the Reality? Be sure to find Follow us on all social platforms at what's the reality Pod and I will see you next Wednesday. Bye. What's the reality?

[D]

Hey everybody, Ted Danson here to tell you about my podcast with my longtime friend and sometimes co host Woody Harrelson. It's called where everybody knows your name and we're back for another season. It I'm so excited to be joined this season by friends like John Mulaney, David Spade, Sarah Silverman, Ed Helms, and many more. You don't want to miss it. Listen to where everybody knows your name with me, Ted Danson and Woody Harrelson sometimes, wherever you get your podcasts.

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