Love Is Blind's Monica Davis: Staying Strong Through IVF and Love Is Blind S9 Deep Dive

Summary

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Podcast Summary: What's the Reality?

Episode: Love Is Blind's Monica Davis: Staying Strong Through IVF and Love Is Blind S9 Deep Dive
Host: Amber Desiree (AD)
Guest: Monica Davis (Love Is Blind S7)
Date: October 22, 2025

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Overview

This episode of What’s the Reality? brings together host Amber Desiree (AD) and special guest Monica Davis from Love Is Blind Season 7 for a candid, unfiltered conversation. Monica opens up about her post-show life, her ongoing IVF journey, and her relationship with her boyfriend Zach. The pair also serve up a no-holds-barred deep dive into the latest drama and relationships from Love Is Blind Season 9, sharing hot takes, behind-the-scenes insight, and reality TV tea.

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Monica’s Life Update & Love Story

[01:35–04:23]

• Monica has been in a relationship with Zach, whom she reconnected with post-show. They first dated briefly years before via Hinge, but only deepened their commitment after the show.
• The couple bought their dream new-construction house together (“He is not the type of guy that’s like, whatever you want, baby. He’s like, no, I’m picking the grout too.” – Monica, [03:17]). They're eagerly anticipating moving out of Monica’s parents’ house.

Notable Moment

"Life has really lifed." – Monica, [01:50]
“We’re living with my parents right now… week eight. My dad left little sticky notes for us with instructions. I was like, yeah, he is ready.” – Monica, [03:13–04:10]

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Monica’s IVF Journey: Openness, Struggles, Community

[04:24–12:27]

• Monica details her very open IVF journey, now on the third cycle, and the emotional and physical toll it has taken.
• Explains her decision to share the process publicly: after the initial wave of followers faded, her remaining social community has provided immense support.
• Highlights the tough reality of failed IVF cycles: “No one prepares you to… put your body through all of this... and you can't. Even by day seven, your embryos are gone.” ([06:49])
• Remarkable outpouring from followers experiencing similar struggles.

Quotes & Insights

“When I started to share it, when I tell you, I got hundreds and hundreds of messages from women who were like, that same thing happened to me…” – Monica, [07:51]

“I know I’m ready to be a mom, and I’m gonna be a great mom. And all of this is to, like, fight for our future child. So it makes me really proud of myself.” – Monica, [09:06–09:30]

Advice to Others

“Be loud and proud about what you’re going through... It’s my body. It’s fine. For me, being loud and proud about it has allowed me to feel... so much better.” – Monica, [11:01–12:00]

Notable Moment

“For so long, women have gone through things like this, and... it was, like, taboo almost. Isn’t that something that’s really sad?” – AD, [12:15]

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Reflection on Love Is Blind S7: Behind the Scenes & Lessons Learned

[12:45–21:38]

• Monica recalls signing up for the show hoping it would work, despite being the oldest cast member.
• She maintains close friendships with many female castmates, especially Ashley, but is distant from male cast members like Steven.
• Discusses Steven’s lawsuit against Love Is Blind, expressing skepticism and sharing personal anecdotes about his motivations and character.

Quotes

“Rejection is God’s protection. Like, I wish in the past I would have been... leaning into that more.” – Monica, [18:34]

“Never again will I allow someone to bamboozle me.” – Monica, [18:42]

Notable Scene

• Monica admits she can’t rewatch her own season (“I watched every single scene of that show one time. And that’s it.” – Monica, [19:21]). Watching herself in retrospect, especially in tough moments, is "torturous".

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Love Is Blind Season 9 Deep Dive: Reactions, Theories, and Superlatives

General Tone: Lively, snarky, and supportive. Both hosts dissect S9 with both empathy and humor.

Theatrics & Changes in the Show

[21:47–23:49]

• Both hosts remark Season 9 feels theatrical, “like an SNL skit.”
• AD: “Everyone just feels, like, goofy... It feels like a stage play.” ([21:59])

Favorite (and Least Favorite) Couples

[22:34–25:28]

• Monica roots for Megan and Jordan for their maturity and co-parenting dynamic, and finds Edmund and KB’s relationship fascinating but “wild.”
• They discuss numerous eyebrow-raising Edmund moments (making out with the floor, eating boogers, public displays of affection).

Memorable Moment

“It wasn’t just kissing the floor. He was flat… Making out with the floor.” – AD & Monica, [23:57–24:01]

Difficult Conversations: Red Flags and Relationship Trouble

[26:50–28:28]

• Edmund’s emotionally volatile reaction to KB wanting to wait before sex was alarming: “That was like, not even funny… He got so upset… crying and yelling.” – AD, [27:00–27:20]
• The women note patterns of performative vs. authentic behavior on (and off) camera.

Patrick and Casey’s Storyline

[28:50–32:43]

• Questioning Casey’s intentions, doubting her presence on the show was for the “right reasons” considering a possible situation with an ex-boyfriend.
• Noting how attraction (or lack thereof) became a key reveal, Monica points out “she sold it.”

Messier Relationships & Red Flags in Mexico

[33:31–36:12]

• Alarming drunken behavior (Joe), tumultuous relationships (Nick & Annie), and emotional fights – “There’s a lot of mess happening in Mexico.” – Monica, [35:46]
• Drinking issues and lifestyle mismatches emerge as dealbreakers, particularly for Anton and Ally.

Incompatibility, Social Issues & Authenticity

[41:00–43:00]

• Nick & Annie’s breakup: Monica is unsurprised considering red flags in Nick’s past behavior and beliefs (discussions around LGBTQ acceptance).
• Joe & Madison’s dynamic characterized as insecurity caused by his lack of interest, Monica relates to Hannah & Nick’s dynamic from her own season.
• AD: “If attraction’s not there, let that reveal be the moment where you’re like, ‘You know what? Love ain’t blind for me.’ And that’s okay… don’t torture someone.” ([44:25])

Who’s Real, Who’s Performative?

[46:39–50:55]

• Ongoing discussion of KB and Edmund’s public vs. private behavior—KB called out repeated discord, and both hosts side with KB in public arguments.
• Monica on the importance of conflict resolution versus avoidance: “They have these moments where she’s hurt or upset and he’s like, ‘I love you. I need you.’ And she’s like, ‘I want to hear none of that… Let’s talk about it.’” ([48:31–48:52])

Fan Favorites, Predictions, and Superlatives

[55:31–61:22]

• Playful rapid-fire “superlatives” for S9 cast, e.g.:
  • Most awkward reveal: Ally & Anton ([56:12])
  • Smoothest talker: Debatable, but Casey, Mike, and Nick get mentions ([57:23–58:09])
  • Most likely to start drama: Edmund or Joe ([58:27–58:36])
  • Fan favorite: Jordan and Megan (“really taking it seriously and they really want to make it work” – Monica, [58:59]); AD also rooting for KB.
  • Best dressed: Megan for her “sparkle mag” rodeo outfit.
  • Most likely to marry: Both say Megan & Jordan, but with caveats.

Deeper Themes: Gender, Finances, and Real Life Struggles

[52:27–54:31]

• AD and Monica discuss the show’s recurring double standard: when a woman is more financially secure, it becomes a sticking point for the man (“You never see the guy step up and be like, that’s fine, I’ll just make more money… they like shrivel up.” – AD, [53:29]).
• They praise Jordan for his progressive attitude, but wonder about long-term compatibility due to lifestyle gaps.

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Closing Thoughts & Looking Forward

[61:33–63:59]

• Monica is looking forward to moving into her new house and remains hopeful about her IVF journey: “Third time’s a charm. Third time’s a charm.” ([62:22])
• AD affirms her support and interest in all of Monica’s life updates.
• The episode closes with mutual appreciation, hopeful wishes for everyone’s happiness in love and life, and a playful nudge for listeners to support Monica and AD as they move forward into the next chapters in their lives.

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Notable Quotes

• “No one prepares you to… put your body through all of this... and you can't. Even by day seven, your embryos are gone.” – Monica [06:49]
• “Never again will I allow someone to bamboozle me.” – Monica [18:42]
• “Rejection is God’s protection.” – Monica [18:34]
• “Everyone just feels, like, goofy... It feels like a stage play.” – AD [21:59]
• “If attraction’s not there, let that reveal be the moment where you’re like, ‘You know what? Love ain’t blind for me.’ And that’s okay… don’t torture someone.” – AD [44:25]
• “Third time’s a charm.” – Monica [62:22]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Monica’s life update & homebuying: [01:45–04:23]
• IVF journey & support: [04:28–12:27]
• Reflections on Love Is Blind S7: [12:45–21:38]
• S9 overview & theatrics: [21:47–23:49]
• Favorite/least favorite couples: [22:34–25:28]
• Discussion of red flags (Edmund, Mexico, etc.): [26:50–36:12]
• Breakups and social issues (Nick/Annie, Joe/Madison): [41:00–45:18]
• KB/Edmund dynamic & conflict: [46:39–50:57]
• Superlatives & predictions: [55:31–61:22]
• Closing and Monica’s hopes: [61:33–63:59]

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Tone & Style

The conversation is authentic, supportive, and dotted with both warm encouragement and sassy, reality-TV-style banter. Monica is earnest and vulnerable, especially about her IVF journey, while both women engage with reality TV drama in a way that’s critical but never mean-spirited.

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For fans of reality TV or anyone navigating big life transitions, this episode delivers a blend of behind-the-scenes candor, emotional honesty, and juicy commentary—keeping it, as always, real, fun, and unfiltered.

Transcript

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[A]

What's up, you guys? Welcome to another episode of what's the reality? It's your girl ad and today.

[B]

Hi.

[A]

We have a very special guest. Monica is here from season seven of Love is Blind. I haven't seen this beautiful lady since your reunion.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

And we didn't really get to talk.

[B]

We did not. You looked so beautiful.

[A]

But now you're here and we get to chat all things year season and Love is Blind season nine. So let's catch up.

[B]

I'm so excited. Thank you for having me. It's gonna be so much fun.

[A]

Oh, my God, girl. Thanks for coming. You look stunning, by the way. Thank you so much. Okay, so how are you? What have you been up to since I last saw you?

[B]

Like, so much.

[A]

I know.

[B]

So much has happened.

[A]

Okay, fill me in.

[B]

Life has really lifed.

[A]

I.

[B]

Shortly after filming the show, I got into a relationship with someone and. Yeah.

[A]

Was that the same someone that was in the audience?

[B]

Right?

[A]

It was.

[C]

That's him.

[A]

Yeah, that's right. Okay, he's there.

[B]

And yeah, a year and a half later, we're like, madly in love. We just. We bought a house earlier this year. We've been building new construction. We move in in a month.

[A]

I've been seeing it on social media.

[B]

It's so pretty.

[A]

It's stunning.

[B]

We're so. It's like our dream house.

[A]

Oh, my God. Wait, so how did y' all meet?

[B]

We actually met before the show from my past on Hinge back in the day and we dated for a little bit. It didn't work out. Never like boyfriend and girlfriend, just kind of casually. And then, yeah, I went and I did the show and I always knew, like, he kind of made it clear, like, you were the one that got away. And then after the show, we reconnected and, like, the rest was literally history. Yeah.

[A]

That's beautiful. So he's got an identical twin. Is this twin in a relationship?

[B]

He is.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

He is with a man. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I love that. Yeah, he's gay. They look just alike.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. And I love his boyfriend, Michael.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Wonderful. Yeah.

[A]

Okay, tell me a little bit more about your home.

[B]

So the house.

[A]

How did you guys agree to, like, come together and do this whole process?

[B]

Yeah, so we, like, have really committed our lives to each other and really wanting to, like, be together forever. And so we started talking about buying a home. He owned a home. I've never owned a house. So we started looking and, yeah, we fell in love with, like, a new. We didn't think we could even afford it. It was like a dream. New construction and we've made every decision together. He's very involved. Like, he is not the type of guy that's like, whatever you want, baby. He's like, no, I'm picking the ground too. But it's been really, really, really fun. So the house is amazing. We're so excited. So many decisions, so much money. But it's going to be amazing. We're living with my parents right now, week eight.

[A]

How's that going?

[B]

I love them. They're amazing. But yesterday was the first day where I was like, I was walking around the house and my dad left little sticky notes for us with instructions.

[A]

Oh, it's time. Go.

[B]

It's time to go.

[A]

It's time to go. Mom, didn't you do that before you left? Put a sign on the refrigerator. The sticky notes are the tall tale sign.

[B]

I was like, yeah, he is ready.

[A]

Gotta head out. Okay, so I did want to talk a bit about your IVF journey.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm more than very, very open and transparent about your journey on social media. What has that journey been like for you and what made you decide to share with all these crazy people?

[B]

Yeah, good question. Yeah, I don't know if you agree. I mean, you. Your, like, platform and following is much, much larger than mine. But we both, like, since doing the show, we have, you know, that changes. And what I have found almost a year out from the. My season coming out is, like, at this point, you really do lose a lot of the people who are just there to, like, give you a Hard time or hate on you.

[A]

So the people that are there are community now.

[B]

I. I, like.

[A]

I love them. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Like, they really wonderful. And it feels like they're rooting for me, I think, especially because of the way my journey ended on this show, you know, saying that I was in this great relationship with Zach. People have just been so supportive. So we decide we've been trying for, like, a year on our own. And actually, right before the show aired, we took some steps to, like, say, you know, things might get crazy here for a little bit, so let's just figure out if IVF might be the right path for us, and we can do it when we're on the other side of this. And the doctor was like, this is probably something you guys should do. So, yeah, we went through it. We started in May, was our first cycle. So we'd been trying on our own for over a year at that point, and now it is, what, almost October. And I just started our third attempt, our third cycle. I'm on day three. I just gave myself three shots before coming one this morning. But Zach was really supportive of me putting it out there and me sharing it. And honestly, it's been, like, one of the most comforting parts of the lows of ivf. It's such a. It just sucks. Like, in a lot of ways, it's very, you know, this one thing that your body's supposed to do, it's not doing it. And I think for me, I always knew it was gonna be hard because I am 38. There's some, like, family history stuff that made me think. And we'd been trying for a year, so I was just like, this. All signs point to, but no one really prepares you for the experience that Zach and I have had. Like, a lot of people will say, you know, once when I'm giving myself my injections and I'm in it, they're like, when's your transfer? And I'm like, well, you need embryos to, like, we're not. We have not even made it to a place where, like, our embryos last long enough to talk about transferring them. So no one prepares you for that outcome. They prepare you for, like, maybe they'll transfer and you'll have a miscarriage, which I can't imagine. But no one prepares you to, like, put your body through all of this and, like, the money, the time, the energy, and you can't. Even by day seven, you know, your embryos are gone.

[A]

That's hard. No. I'm learning so much from your post Alone. Like, obviously, I've heard about the journeys and I've heard. I've seen snippets of people's kind of stories, but, like, I'm literally learning from your post and seeing the emotion and seeing everything that you're going through, and I'm just like, this girl is a warrior. Like, a warrior.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

And, like, I feel so educated on it because obviously I had no. No clue. No clue. And like, to. I don't know. You're so brave. Thank you. You're so brave.

[B]

So much. Yeah, it has been. Thank you for saying that. It really means a lot. It's interesting, like, when the first cycle, our results are what they were, which is like, we had these embryos. I don't even remember that time, how many there were, but they didn't make it to a stage that they needed to get to. I won't get into all of the clinical language. And I felt so alone. I know several friends, probably about a dozen who've done ivf, and no one. That's never happened to anyone. So it was very disheartening and discouraging. And when I started to share it, when I tell you, I got hundreds, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of messages from women who were like, that same thing happened to me and it took me four tries and I have twins, or, you know, that same thing happened to me. Ask your doctor to try this. It's just been so. I really thought, like, there was something really wrong with me. And then you realize, like, sometimes it's really just a numbers game. And I have this partner who's like, let's. As long as you want to do it, like, I will help you and be there, but, like, I'm ready to go. Let's do it. So try again. Third time. Oh, no pressure.

[A]

No pressure at all. So what has this journey, like, IVF journey, taught you about yourself or even about your relationship?

[B]

Honestly, like, when you were just complimenting me and saying that I'm so strong, I was thinking in my head, like, that's really nice. And also it's like, I am. Like, I really am so strong. And I think, you know, so many women go through this and they're so strong. And I think it's. I know I'm, like, ready to be a mom, and I'm gonna be a great mom. And all of this is to, like, fight for our future child. And so it makes me really proud of myself. And Zach, like, he is so hands on. He's so amazing. He mixes all the medications and does all the prepping, which is like, females, women who do this on their own, they do it a lot. When they're like, freezing your eggs. Yeah, it is so much. So having him makes it just emotionally better, but even just like, the workload of it is. It's so nice to have him there.

[A]

That must be so, like, relieving to have a partner that wants it as bad. That's so hands on. So committed and dedicated.

[B]

Totally.

[A]

I just. Yeah, you deserve all of that. Thank you. You really, truly do. And I'm rooting for you.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

I really am. I'm so excited. Like, when your video pop up, I'm like, where's she at?

[B]

I love the updates.

[A]

I know. It sounds like. I really do.

[B]

It's really sweet. I feel like I found my thing. I don't know how to describe it. Like, I. Between the house and ivf, like, it brings me joy to share those things because people I will be at like a winery or walking through the mall and someone will come up to me and they're like, we're rooting for you. And I'm like, that is so much better than someone coming up to me being like Kate Spade, Louis Vuitton stuff.

[A]

I'm like, this is so much more rewarding. Real life woman.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What advice would you give to someone going through their own journey, Their own IVF journey?

[B]

I. My advice would be be like, loud and proud about what you're going through. I think a lot of people feel shamed or embarrassed, like, and I just. I don't. I don't know, there's something in me and I'm so grateful for that. Where it's like, you know, the doctor will say to me at times, like, I don't want to, like, you know, it could be an egg quality thing. It's like, I'm not embarrassed. That's just my. It's my body. It's my. It's. It's fine. And for me, being loud and proud about it has allowed me to feel, I mean, just so much better. Like, even telling my boss at work, like, because there's been some days over the last, you know, may is not that long ago where I put my body through a lot, my mind through a lot. And so I just feel like everyone around me knowing it just makes me feel safer. It makes me feel like I can have a bad day. Makes me feel like it can have, you know, like. So, yeah, just be loud and proud about what you're going through and don't lose hope.

[A]

Yeah. That's beautiful. Yeah. I love that.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Loud and proud about your journey. Because it's helpful. It really is.

[B]

You can't really.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I feel like for so long, women have gone through things like this, and.

[A]

It was, like, taboo almost. Isn't that something that's really sad?

[B]

I just can't imagine. I don't know. I'm like, why would I be? This is just what it is. Like, I'm not going to be embarrassed or ashamed.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Just gonna try and figure it out, so.

[A]

And we're all just so happy. Just rooting for you.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

You got this girl.

[B]

Our kids. Maybe my. My child won't be too much further behind yours and they can be buddies. Besties. Besties, literally. I just want a healthy baby, but also, I want a girl. Of course.

[A]

Definitely teen girl.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, let's take it back to your season a little bit.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Let's try to, like, bring our brains back to. How long ago was that?

[B]

Well, since it aired a year ago. Since I did it two years ago.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So crazy.

[A]

Sheesh. Okay. Let's try to put ourselves not too far in it. We don't need to go that deep. Just like, Just like. Yeah. So what made you sign up for the show?

[B]

Initially, I really believed it could work for me. I didn't think it would. Does that make sense? Like, I was, like, I was the oldest person on my cast when I did the show. I was 36, and I was tired. I'd been hurt so much. Like, I just was, like, I was a fan of the show, and I thought. I always believed in it. Like, what a great way to meet someone.

[A]

Someone.

[B]

So I actually applied. I was one of those few. And every step of the way, I didn't think it was going to happen. And then even when I was there, I was like, there's just no way I'm going to find someone. And then you just. I found myself, you know? Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Really just believes that it could work for me.

[A]

Do you still talk to anyone from your season?

[B]

I do. I talk to Ashley's. My, like, my.

[A]

We love.

[B]

Yeah. And I talked to a lot of the girls. Not really any of the guys.

[A]

Yeah. Speaking of the guys, when's the last time you spoke to Steven?

[B]

Oh, gosh. I, I, He. What did he do?

[A]

He.

[B]

Really. A long time ago. Yeah, over a year ago. Shortly after this. Shortly after the reunion.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Shortly after we filmed the reunion.

[A]

Yeah. That's a minute ago. Yeah. So have you heard about his lawsuit? Do you have any thoughts on that. Oh, yeah.

[B]

I mean, I am not surprised at all. And I think it's just. I don't know. I think I don't even have the words, like, I'm curious.

[A]

Was he, like, complaining on set and stuff, or is this just, like, an afterthought?

[B]

No, my experience.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And this is, you know, allegedly.

[A]

Allegedly. Allegedly.

[B]

Allegedly. Allegedly. My experience was, like, the things that we were doing were some of the nicest things he done, and some of the places you were staying were the nicest places we'd ever stayed. And some of his accusations about, like, I haven't read the, you know, in ins and outs of it about, like, the alcohol stuff. Like, it's just. It's so out of left field to me. But I think about some of the things. Experiences I had with him, some of the things that I never said out loud because I was still, like, trying to protect him. But knowing his character, which he. He showed his character to the world, like, it's. It's not surprising.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I think the root of what's. Where this is coming from. It's not surprising.

[A]

Okay. So for those of you who don't know, Stephen recently launched a lawsuit against Love Is Blind, the show money. Okay. That's what I was like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It seemed like he was doing a few odd things for cash. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Like, so when we were. This is. I've never shared this, but with anyone, except for, like, the girls who were there at the time. When we left Mexico, I. This was, like, a very real relationship for me and like, a, you know, real engagement and, like, really considering marrying this person. And we're not on camera. We get to the airport, and all the couples are together. And I remember the guys are like. We're in Cabo. A lot of the guys are buying a bottle of tequila to bring back to the States. And I remember he comes up to me and he's like, you know, Garrett, whoever. They're buying a ball of tequila, and they asked me to go in on it with them, but I just. I need to see if my check from the show hit my account yet.

[A]

Please.

[B]

I was like, please, Wait, What?

[A]

It was like.

[B]

And listen. No, just. But $27 bottle that slipped by three. I was scared. That was the first time that I was like, alert, alert. This is a marriage. Like, wait, you need the check from the show to hit to afford a $27 bottle of. So. Yeah. And that's just one example of a lot of things. I remember when we moved into Our apartment in Arlington. Him like very sweetly putting his head against the wall and just being like this. I've never lived like this. I've never experienced things like this. So it's really, you know, he's allowed to speak his truth and him and I are not close, we don't talk. But my experience with him, I have my assessment as to like why I think he's doing.

[A]

Yeah, he'll do something strange for some change.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Anyway. Yeah, good luck to him.

[B]

Good luck to him. All best.

[A]

What would you say is your biggest takeaway from your experience on Love is Blind?

[B]

Oh, what is my biggest takeaway from my experience? You know, that was really. I've. I've been through some shit with guys. I've been with guys who haven't been faithful and who have lied and who. And like, I've found a way to forgive them.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And that was the last. That was the first time. And like, will forever be my truth of like, screw you, like, pay me back the money you owe me and see yourself out. And it just taught me, like we were just talking about this. Rejection is God's protection. Like I wish in the past I would have been.

[A]

Been leaning into that more.

[B]

Leaning into that. Cuz every relationship where that happened was not the right relationship for me.

[A]

So.

[B]

Yeah, I just, I never again will I allow someone to bamboozle me into.

[A]

Heavy on the Bamboozled.

[B]

Heavy on the Bamboozled.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Super proud. I was just really proud of myself and the friendships that I gained from the show are like the best, the best part. And I, I had a really wonderful experience. I really enjoyed it.

[A]

And do you ever rewatch your season?

[B]

You know, it's so funny you asked that.

[A]

No, me either.

[B]

I love attention. I love taking pictures of myself. I love myself. And I watched every single scene of that show one time.

[A]

And that's it.

[B]

And that's it.

[A]

That's it.

[B]

And recently maybe someone DMed me something and there was like a clip in my DMs of me from the show. I think that that's what happened. So I started watching a scene and it was not a good look for me in general. It was the scene where he's like driving me crazy and I tell him to stop talking. And I was so mean and so annoyed, but I was like, turn this.

[A]

Off, turn it off, turn it off.

[B]

It's really hard for me to watch. I wish I could enjoy it more.

[A]

Like, I'm all set.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If someone sent me a clip from my season, I would block them I would think it's like a love. Like. Like a hate text or something. Like, hate speech. Like, don't ever, like, nothing about it.

[B]

Okay. Because now with this new season, watching it, I've been thinking, like, I've enjoying it. Even last season, they're great. Season eight was so wonderful. But it was harder for me to, like, watch because I'd just come off doing it.

[A]

Right. Still so fresh. I was still in the heat of it.

[B]

But this season has felt very different. And so that this is the first time where I've been, like, could I go back and just give myself a little bit more grace and, like, enjoy watching myself more? Because I could. I was like, closing my.

[A]

If you do, let me know. I can't even, like. I can't even bring myself to, like, you're so, like.

[B]

I don't know. I feel like I could watch you all day. Me, I just.

[A]

I feel like I don't even know that girl.

[B]

I get that at all.

[A]

Like, even the way I look, I'm like, well, what face was that?

[B]

Yeah, I get. I get it.

[A]

Yeah. Just everything about it. I'm like, yeah.

[B]

And there's also something about, like, I. You know, the opinions you get afterwards and you're. Ultimately, we were in relationships with people we weren't supposed to be in relationships with. And so watching that person, like, try.

[A]

To form, to make it work and make it make sense, just like, I'm.

[B]

You know, you're. I was with someone who, like, kind of did annoy me and say kind of things like, off color that didn't. I just. I just. So it's hard to watch me, like.

[A]

Like, I could put on, like, I probably could run back Perfect match. Because I'm like, oh, I know that girl. She's happy. Like, she's bubbly and she's with her person and, like, very different, but it's so different.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I could never do it.

[B]

Yeah. It's torturous. I don't know why.

[A]

Yeah, if you watch yours, let me know I can get some coverage to, like, run mine back.

[B]

I don't think I ever will. Yeah.

[A]

It's a relic now. Okay, let's talk Love is Blind, season nine.

[B]

It's good. Yeah. So much has happened. So much has happened. I.

[A]

You wanna know my true opinion?

[B]

Yeah, please.

[A]

I don't know if I'm watching an SNL skit or if I'm watching Love is Born.

[B]

Tell me why you say that.

[A]

Everyone just feels, like, goofy, like, yes, yes, yes. Like, I feel like everyone's Acting or like, like it feels like a stage play.

[B]

It feels very different. Like, it's very.

[A]

The theatrics.

[B]

It's very theatric.

[A]

It is.

[B]

It's like there's twists left and right.

[A]

Yeah. Okay, let me.

[B]

I need to. I need you to break this down for me. I want to get into it.

[A]

Yeah, let's.

[B]

I really do.

[A]

Okay, first of all, is there anyone that is, like, standing out to you, like, as far as like a favorite or like a not favorite?

[B]

I really like. I really like Megan and Jordan. Is that Megan and Jordan? I really like them a lot. He's a single dad. My boyfriend's a single dad. So like some of the things. Well, my single dad, he has an amazing, you know, ex that they co parent and all that. And she's wonderful. But some of the things just in the relationship, the dynamic there with like Megan being really. I just. It made me feel some type of way. And then like going to Jordan's house.

[A]

And seeing that he made the baby's room the bedroom. I know, I know. Yeah.

[B]

I feel like that wasn't talked about at all, but that really made me.

[A]

Because when you first walk into the house, you're like, oh, these are humble beginnings. This is very humble. And then you see, like, way.

[B]

Yeah, the bedroom is really sweet.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And she just, you know, she seems really emotionally mature. And I really like them and they're opposite. So I also really like, they've had some, some issues and like a bumpy road, but Edmund and kb. Kb. Yeah. Can we talk about Edmund? Can we talk about Edmund?

[A]

I've been waiting for this.

[B]

I have three things to say. Please bless him.

[A]

God bless.

[B]

He kissed the floor. Do you remember when he kissed the floor in the pods?

[A]

It wasn't just kissing the floor. He was flat.

[B]

That was insane.

[A]

Making out with the floor.

[B]

I'm also a germaphobe, so I was like, wait, what is happening?

[A]

It's just like, why? Why?

[B]

We didn't get an explanation, but let's.

[A]

Rewind because even like one of the social media things came out, like, and he was talking about that he eats his boogers. So that was red flag. Yeah. Like on the marketing shoot. Oh, you know how they're like, you know, something funny about me is that like, I wear my shoes in the bathroom or whatever.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He's like, yeah, I be eating my boogers. Ad.

[B]

Stop it. Stop it.

[A]

It's on Instagram.

[B]

No.

[A]

So that was like red flag number one for me. I was just like, okay.

[B]

Then we followed up with the. Making out with the floor.

[A]

Making out with the floor, the kissing.

[B]

Of the feet in public. Didn't like that in front of everyone for so long.

[A]

And the spf, it's like you.

[B]

It was just. He's just.

[A]

And then what did. What song did they play? Like, it was like R and B.

[B]

The music has been so, so funny. I know.

[A]

Every time a song comes on, I'm like, okay, Budget.

[B]

It's perfect.

[A]

Every single time. So that kissing. The. Licking the SPF off her feet.

[B]

Licking the spf. And then the final one was when he. When they moved into the apartment and he put himself inside the cabinet. Honestly, like, he is so wild.

[A]

He is wild. Very wild. But before that, because I have a flag in between.

[B]

Oh, I'm so curious.

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[A]

Was when they were in bed in Mexico. Yes. And he had that large reaction to her saying that she wanted to wait.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

That was like, not even funny.

[B]

No.

[A]

We can laugh about the boogies and the making out with the floor, but that reaction, it was big. And it was alcohol.

[B]

Like, I really. It was big.

[A]

Well, I would blame it on the alcohol if every reaction to everything wasn't like that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That was alarming.

[B]

It was alarming. It was. It was. Yeah.

[A]

She was telling him that she wanted to wait and that every. All the other Castmates had had sex with their partner and he got so upset, like to the point where he was crying and yelling and like he.

[B]

Was screaming that he was too nice.

[A]

Yeah. That he was the nice guy. Yeah, that was a lot.

[B]

And then giving her a hard time of like you've had one night stands in your past and you. Yeah. And she was like, I don't care about these people. Yeah, that was, that was, that was very surprising. And I feel like with them as someone who, when I think about my. Not to make this about me. When I think about my experience on the show, there was a lot of stuff that was happening off camera that then the person that I was with, the way he was acting on camera, it wasn't matching.

[A]

It wasn't matching. Yeah.

[B]

And I feel like maybe there's some of that going on there too.

[A]

The theatrics. That's what I mean by SNL skit. Because even she mentioned like, you're not the same on camera. And it's like I did kind of notice that even in the pods he was hyper aware of the camera. Like I'm like, did he just look at me?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like when I'm watching.

[B]

You're right. Hi.

[A]

Very aware. And I was like, oh, hey. So I don't know, I feel like she did mention the cameras. She did turn off and he would be very different. Yeah. I need to know your thoughts on Patrick and Casey first. Do you think she came on the show for the right reasons?

[B]

I think that's a complicated answer.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I think that probably she did. I think that she probably meant well. But I think it's very. Was very clear that like, looks do matter to her.

[A]

Yeah. I would say that she came onto the show for the right reasons. If she didn't stay in the pods that her ex told her to go on a show when they were together, that was weird. I wouldn't give her the benefit of the doubt.

[B]

Strange. Yeah.

[A]

But it's to me it was so clear that I forgot about that. You know, she. Whatever show it was, she told, he told her to go on it and she was like, maybe didn't get cast or maybe whatever happened. And then this opportunity came around and he was like, oh, well, go on. Love is wine. Like that is what my intuition is telling me that she's got a man at home directing and pulling the strings.

[B]

I wonder.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because that was, that was. And it was very recent too.

[A]

And they're still like pretty close from what I remember from the show. Like they're still in.

[B]

Oh, that's right. They're in touch.

[A]

In touch, yeah.

[B]

Patrick was like, that's gonna have to change together.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

The only thing. Well, I don't want to get too far ahead, but it was interesting to me because I had that thought. Like, there's definitely some physical. Would she have. If she thought he was attractive, would she have gone to Mexico and continued like, yeah, 100%.

[A]

Yeah. You. Did you hear what she was saying in the pods?

[B]

Which thing?

[A]

The sexual. Like, I was like, how do I fast forward? Where's my remote?

[B]

I was, like, sitting there. Like, I was like, tell her it's gonna be okay, because I would be mortified. Ye. Oh, that was wild.

[A]

That was, like, very. So he was gonna make it work regardless.

[B]

Right? That's the thing. When she was saying that, I'm like, she. You know, you're talking to a man.

[A]

Here that has been, like, away from women for almost two weeks.

[B]

Like, I really. Oh, gosh. I really feel for him.

[A]

I do, too.

[B]

Feel for him.

[A]

Like, yeah.

[B]

His insecurities about being an Asian man and always being like that. And then it's.

[A]

That.

[B]

What happens.

[A]

That happens.

[B]

Yeah. I think he's. I think he's a really amazing guy. Like, I really, really. Yeah.

[A]

So then when she cuts it off or, like, tries to break up with him, and then we're literally watching in real time her say, they're gonna make this about attraction, and it's not about attraction.

[B]

Right. I almost, like, believe I believed her. And then they show, like, the footage. Did you know that that was, like, a producer?

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Just trying to get the tea. Like, okay, well, what is it? And she literally said the attraction, and it's not going to get there. She didn't think it was going to get there.

[B]

And then they show her, like, jumping on.

[A]

Jumping on him the way she.

[B]

Him. I was like, she's maybe telling the truth. I, you know, I can be you. I'm someone that's like, you know, especially with the women. I'm like, I'm going to give her the benefit of the. She was, like, really kissing, like, and straddling him. And then she, you know, admits it, and it's like, wow, that one really threw me. And then she was like, we're gonna be together. It's gonna be fine. Let's just get home. And then when you find out what happens when they got back to Denver, like, her not being in touch, it was so. It makes you really question the intentions, for sure. Right.

[A]

Because she went back to her man. Crazy Is she put in her application for Bachelor.

[B]

Maybe she's on to the next show. That guy from TikTok, remember? Yeah.

[A]

That she followed. And they felt it was just a lot.

[B]

A lot of, like, cloudy, a lot.

[A]

Of, like, a lot of just unfinished business before she came on to the show, should I say. But we're wishing the best for her. I wish the best for her.

[B]

That was crazy the way that they. By the way, like, the episodes showed us that they kept us on the edge of our seats after one episode. You know what's gonna happen. And.

[A]

Yeah, I didn't see that coming.

[B]

She did it. She tricked. Like, during the reveal, I was like, she's really into it.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Because for me, I'd go back to my reveal and, like, it took me a second to be like, wait, put in this person's face. Like, you know, I didn't. Didn't want to, like, kiss so much. I just needed a minute to get my bearings. I was, like, very overwhelmed. And she seemed like she was really in it.

[A]

Yeah. She sold it.

[B]

Sold it. Sold me.

[A]

Sold me. Okay, so going into Mexico, who did you think was the strongest couple, and who did you think was the weakest couple?

[B]

Okay, going into Mexico, who did I think was the strong? I maybe thought going into Mexico, maybe. I might say Edmund and kb I think I would say. Oh, and maybe Anton and Ally. Yeah, yeah, Anton and Ally. Yeah, maybe them. They didn't. We didn't see as much of them in the pods, but they. Maybe them. And then those were the strongest. Who did. I think Nick and Annie. I had, like, real concerns about Nick.

[A]

Just throughout Mexico was very. That was a very tumultuous little trip for them.

[B]

Very.

[A]

That was.

[B]

And remember, in the pods, too, like, he told two girls he loved them. He was saying the same things to them. Like, there was one line he kept saying to both of them that was like. Like, I'll always have your. Always protect you. Or. I don't remember exactly what it was, but I just was like, this is giving not genuine. And then they. So. And I think you're saying the couple that had a hard time in Mexico was Joe and Madison.

[A]

Yes. Right.

[B]

Yeah. But both. But both did.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. And, like, if you think about it, Joe and Nick, those Two guys, they're 27, they're young, and they're giving me, like. But they're giving me 27.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

The way Joe got, like, so drunk and, like, the way he was acting, I mean, I just.

[A]

Yeah, that was mortifying. When he Came back to the room and she was just like, hey, I'm here to check on you. He's like, were you. Where am I? What's going on?

[B]

I was like, literally, I'm like, just here to help you.

[A]

He's like, well, that's a nice outfit.

[B]

He was not on.

[A]

He was. He was not gone.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, that was scary.

[B]

It took him a while to, like.

[A]

And I don't think he ever got there. No. Not until the next morning.

[B]

He was like a different person.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

So sorry about that.

[A]

Yeah. She's just like.

[B]

It was. She was like, crying outside. He could care less.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, that was.

[B]

That was. It's messy. There's a lot of mess happening in Mexico.

[A]

Yeah. I think. I think the drinking got the best of him. But then I also, like. I don't know. I feel like there's a lot of drunk conversations at night happening this season. Like, a lot of, like, I just want you to love me.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

And it's just like, oh, my.

[B]

A lot of that happening at night.

[A]

A lot of night, like, mixer drinks. Yeah. Back to the bed. Cry and argue.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

It just is, like, the pattern for Mexico.

[B]

I agree with you more. Who do you think was the strongest couple going into Mexico?

[A]

I couldn't tell you. Honestly. I thought everyone was a miss like you. I just didn't know. I thought everyone was kind of, like, equal and that Mexico would tell who was. Yeah. Like, where the things were. But then it's like, at the end of the night, everyone's fighting. Right. So I didn't know who everyone got.

[B]

In the fight that first night.

[A]

Everyone.

[B]

Everyone got into a fight. Like, there was a lot of tears.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I. I don't really know. Yeah. I really don't know. Okay. So back in Denver, Ally starts to realize that Anton is more of a partier than he originally led on to be. Do you think that's a deal breaker or do you think they can work through it?

[B]

She's really mature for her age.

[A]

She's so cute.

[B]

She's so cute.

[A]

She's so sweet. So cute.

[B]

So sweet. She's like. Yeah, I think. Well, first of all, I have to say, amazing tv, but also very messy that they played the audio from the girls in the bathroom. I'm like, if in my season they would have played any of the audio of me and the girls in the bathroom canceled.

[A]

Cancel the show. Cancel the girls.

[B]

I was sitting there, like, on the edge of my seat, like, don't.

[A]

I hope they don't say yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

But it was. Yeah, that was. That was so interesting. I don't know. Would you want a man that had just been, like. Like, at the strip club all the time?

[A]

No. And I also don't want a man that's working 24 hours and then needs two beers at 7:00am and then, like, convincing me to have mimosas at 8:00am like, as a nurse, she's tired. Like.

[B]

Yeah, she's tired. She's an adult.

[A]

Are you not tired? Like, are you not exhausted?

[B]

That's very. I don't. I didn't. I don't.

[A]

No. Like, and I'm not, like, in any way gonna shame anybody for drinking. Like, if that's how you cool down or unwind or whatever. But it's like, that can't be your morning routine.

[B]

And if it is, you're probably not with the right.

[A]

You're not ready. Yeah, maybe there's someone. That can't be our morning routine.

[B]

I think that's what's so interesting about watching it and having done it. I don't know if you agree, but it's like, after the pause, you start to really, really get to know the person better.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And oftentimes what was presented to you in the pods is not matching up with. And I think that's what's happening there. It's like, if you're a partier, cool. Like, you probably should have ended up with a party girl. Like, she doesn't. She's not giving that at all. And it feels like he definitely did not share that with her.

[A]

Yeah. And it's like, it's so funny because he gives, like, cool, laid back, chill. Like, and whole time you're going to a strip club and tequila's missing and 12 pack of beer is gone.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I think it's so funny when people go, well, I only had two. And he's like, well, I only had three. And I'm like, okay, so if you had two and she had, like, the math is not math at all. And then he's like, well, I only bought one beer downstairs. And I'm like, so that's six. I'm literally sitting there, like, now we're missing about five more beer. So it's just like, to me, like, I would have sat there and I'd have been like, I would have waited for him to come up with the answer.

[B]

Right.

[C]

Where's the rest?

[A]

Yeah, but where's the rest? Like, that was so funny to me. He's like, well, I only had three.

[B]

That is so.

[A]

And she's just like, so. Yeah. It's so funny because, you know, she didn't drink it. Right. You know he drank it. Like, you know. You know you drank it. Just admit it. And he's just like, well, I don't know.

[B]

I could have.

[A]

So I don't know. It's just like, he presents so chill.

[B]

He does. Yeah.

[A]

And then it's just like behind the scenes, he's, what's going on? And that girl, like the friend's girlfriend, she didn't have anything to lose by telling.

[B]

She was just behind.

[A]

They've been in the relationship for four months. So she's just like, this is what I've experienced. Like, they party and they party.

[B]

They party. I'm concerned for them. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Do you think they can work through that? She.

[B]

I don't know. She really. She seems like she has a very good head on her shoulders, especially for her age. And I have a. I don't know. I could see her not moving forward.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's a nurse. Yeah, yeah. And she's doing overnight. Like you don't want to come home. No.

[B]

Like, she. You can tell she's. She really, like, is looking for, like, stability, kids.

[A]

Rightfully so.

[B]

That. So there's certain things that for me personally would be like. Okay. If I'm thinking about having a child with someone and they're like drinking beer at 7am after working shift, that's just.

[A]

Yeah. Red flag.

[B]

Yeah. That would be hard for me.

[A]

Okay, let's get into some of these breakups. Did you think Annie and Nick, their breakup was a little bit out of the blue?

[B]

No, I didn't. There were times where I was really rooting for them and like, she definitely. She really wanted it to work and really loved him.

[A]

And she was really committed.

[B]

She was really committed. But there was just. Listen when the guys especially were saying, like, they don't really mess with.

[A]

They don't really.

[B]

With Nick. Like, there's something off there.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

For me, that's like a really big red flag. Like, if girls are saying like that. Of all the girls are saying that.

[A]

I knew from the pods, I didn't like him.

[B]

He was. Me too.

[A]

Okay, maybe not don't like him.

[B]

Yeah. I don't know him.

[A]

But some of the things that they were agreeing on, I was like, that he seemed very. Are you okay?

[B]

I am going to tell you what you want to hear. I want to go far in this. I need to leave with a relationship. That was the vibe he was giving off to me.

[A]

He was giving me a vibe of, like, just very. I don't know, strict. He gave. Very strict. Like, they talked about, like, LGBTQ and, like, some of the way that they would answer about, like, oh, if our child is gay, like, things like that. And they were just like, wouldn't be my first choice.

[B]

Right. I did not, like, okay. Very surprised.

[A]

This is where we are. This is like. I mean, just like some of the things that they were saying together as a couple. I was like, this.

[B]

Yeah. Okay.

[A]

That's what you're going to bond on. Okay, well, you guys belong together. Okay.

[B]

Couldn't agree. Stick it out.

[A]

Make it work. So when he came out, I wasn't shocked that the guys were like, I don't mess with him.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Because if those are his views, can you imagine what he's saying?

[B]

Yeah. We didn't get to.

[A]

When no one's around, right. When he's thinking he's having locker talk.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Again, I don't know the man.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm just going off what he said.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And what I heard, and I didn't really like it.

[B]

I didn't like it either at all. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. So I'm not surprised about that.

[B]

No.

[A]

And then Joe and Madison, they were next.

[B]

Can we talk about that?

[A]

Yeah, we. We definitely can. Why do you think he freaked out at the tuxedo fitting?

[B]

I think that he wanted to want to want. I don't know if that was too many wants, but you get my.

[A]

Yeah, I think.

[C]

Think.

[B]

I don't know. She's a beautiful girl. Stunning. And I just don't like some of the things he said about her body. And I think that their energy, even watching them at the, like, in Mexico together, it reminded me so much of my real life, true, lived experience. Experience of Hannah and Nick's dynamic, which I know people have so many things to say about Hannah and, like. But what I witnessed was someone who just wasn't really that into just avoiding. And it created. What I saw is a lot of insecurities slowly coming out of Hannah and her getting upset about little things and even off camera with us. And I could tell where it was coming from. It was very clear. And I'm seeing that in their dynamic, too.

[A]

I could see that that's what I am.

[B]

That's what I do.

[A]

You agree? Yeah. And, like, if we go back to Casey, as much as it was weird that she didn't move forward with, you know, Patrick for her own reasons at least, she was like, the attraction just ain't there. And I wish People would be more open and honest. Like, let that reveal be the moment where you're like, you know what? Love ain't blind for me. And that's okay. Like, you thought in the beginning that you could see past someone's outer shell or whatever, and then you see at the reveal you can't. And that's okay. But you don't get to now torture someone and treat them like. And isolate them and go do your own thing on a couple's vacation. I just don't think that's the right thing to do. And then be like, in your one on one interviews, talking about, I go for slimmer girls or blah, blah. It's just like, if that's your mindset already, just be honest and don't torture her.

[B]

And that's the thing. Even with Casey. Like, I thought it was really brave of her. Like, this is not for everyone.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

If you didn't feel it, you didn't feel it. I think that.

[A]

Get out of here.

[B]

Like pretending to.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

I didn't love that. But yeah, I. I completely agree. I think that he. Joe is. He's giving me a little bit of. Again, don't know him, but a little bit of like the way he is on camera, the way he was in the pods. Like he was very, you know, early on when the cameras are around, you're maybe a little bit more aware and.

[A]

Cotton then you start to get used to that.

[B]

Then you start to drink and like a little bit of how you're really feeling. Yeah.

[A]

Comes out. Yeah.

[B]

And that's what I think I've seen with him as the season's gone on. So I'm not surprised that I'm happy.

[A]

Like, she can kind of just find her person.

[B]

Yeah, me too.

[A]

And not have any more time wasted. And he can find his person, like, find his type and stop, you know, making people feel sad and feel bad.

[B]

I'm glad that they didn't go any further.

[A]

Yeah. So KB and Edmund had had a few more fights since Mexico. One specifically is at the line dancing bar. And the other one was the snowmobiling one. That snowmobiling. Okay. One fight at a time. Can you see Edmund acting differently to KB on camera than he does off camera?

[B]

I would say yes. Mainly because some of the things we talked about earlier. And also just like, I know she's not making that up. Yeah.

[A]

She's said it several times.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But like, okay, whose kind of side are you on with the line dancing fight? When he was like, it would be nice to hear that I'm perfect in front of a crowd, knowing that they just got into a fight or had had the day that they had.

[B]

Right?

[A]

And then that's what he says it.

[B]

In front of everyone.

[A]

Yeah.

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[B]

I'M on her side. Clock it 100%.

[A]

Yeah. That's humiliating.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's embarrassing.

[B]

Bad timing. Yeah. And then I don't like. I. I don't like how. And I love that she recognizes this. They have these moments where she's hurt or upset, and he's like, I love you.

[A]

I need you. I love you. I love you. I love you. And she's like, I want to hear none of that. Yeah.

[B]

Conflict resolution.

[A]

I know you love me. I don't want to hear it.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Let's talk about it.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And he. Then he walks away, which was really sad.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And the boys are like, go back. Go back and talk to your girl.

[B]

And then she's like, don't.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

She's like, don't cries in the bathroom. She's upset.

[A]

Yeah. So that was, like, one thing. And then before the snowmobiling, it was clear they had a day, another disagreement, argument, whatever. Yeah. He's on the back of the snowmobile, hooting and hollering, having the time of his life. And she's just like, I just like, you could tell. You could tell it was off. So then they sit down and he says whatever triggers her again, starts another fight, takes her completely out of her character, and then acts like it's out of the blue. And I'm just like. To me, that's so concerning because she's so riled up. He looks like the sad woe is me. Like, oh, my God, I can't catch a break, guy. But it's like, we didn't see that. You just tormented her for the last four hours exactly prior to this. And I hate that she has to keep coming on camera and being like, no, before this, this, this, this, this, this. Like, she has to, like, unravel a full day.

[B]

Totally. And she's someone who, like, think about her in the pods with him.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, she. It makes you wonder. You asked me, like, who was the strongest couple going into Mexico? I said them. I would not say them.

[A]

Leaving Mexico. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or not. Not even close.

[B]

Not even close. But it's like her energy. She's not. He's not. Her energy is shifted. And you can tell just like, not probably not the right. I don't know what happens, but I don't. I just. It's. She's getting.

[A]

Yeah, she's just seeing a different version. Yeah. A different version.

[B]

Yeah. 100.

[A]

And we're seeing a different version, so. And we're not even seeing who she's really seeing because that's all happening off camera. So now she has to come back and explain to us what we're missing. Right. Well, we're gonna pray for our girl Katie.

[B]

I'm gonna pray for her.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

She's amazing.

[A]

Okay. One thing that I have to bring up. I have to bring up the pick in his hair.

[B]

Okay. Let me say I'm 38. So I'm watching it. Like, maybe this is, like, cool. Like, is this, like a.

[A]

No one's doing. No one's doing that. No one's doing that. No one's doing that. It's like, it's always under the hat.

[C]

Under the.

[A]

He's like.

[B]

It's always in his hair. It's so strange.

[A]

If I ever get to talk to him. That's my first question.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Why? Why? How many do you have?

[A]

He has one for every outfit.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Every fit.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Maybe he has a pick line.

[B]

Yeah. Maybe he'll come out with an after after this.

[A]

Maybe. Okay, well, character. He is a character. So we were left on a bit of a cliffhanger in the middle of Meghan and Jordan's fight over having different lifestyles. Any predictions on how this season is going to end for them?

[B]

I'm rooting for them. Yeah, I really am. They, I just love their connection. I loved her family. I love him as a dad. Like I, I also like any of the girls on the seasons who are older, in their 30s. I'm just like rooting for them because that was my experience. So I, at the end of the day, some of the things that they're facing and going through are like real life, big things. Like they're looking at two million dollar homes. But I'm rooting for them. I hope it works. What do you think?

[A]

I'm always rooting for love. Always. I think these past few seasons that finances play a huge part when it's the woman, right? Like, yeah, you for example, Virginia. Like when it's the woman who was a little bit more established, has a little bit more going for her and like all of a sudden it's this big thing of how the man just cannot add up. And I'm just like, is this going to be, is this the reality of the world that we're in? You know, because it's like, if the guy has all this money, it's no problem. I'm going to move in with you. I'm going to have be taken care of. I'm going to. But as soon as the woman, it's like, yeah, hold on.

[B]

And I won. And it's like the, the fans at times can be a little like, oh, what was it?

[A]

Stacy and Izzy.

[B]

That's another one. Yeah, it's great. Yeah, all of them have like, you know, it's almost like a bad thing, you know, my, like the Louis Vuitton like that.

[A]

And you never see the guy step up and be like, that's fine, I'll just make more money, I'll get a better job. It's always like, well, I'm just used to like, you know, they like shrivel up and they're just like, this is. I'm not, yeah, I'm not changing. It's the most awkward thing.

[B]

I could not agree with you more.

[A]

It's very awkward.

[B]

You need to be with someone who's like, I don't know. And that's the thing. There was a point, if you remember when they went house hunting where Jordan was saying, he was like, I don't want to like, I think he used the word like mooch off of her and pay my way. But also, I don't want her to.

[A]

Give up to change her Lifestyle.

[B]

Yeah. Like, I thought then he had a really, really amazing progressive.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Perspective on. Yeah, I agree on that. But I did kind of wonder, like, how long that could last and if. If they could, you know, make it all the way. Because it is so different. Like, she's like, I can sell my house. Yeah.

[A]

She's like, I don't have to work.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm gonna go to LA for three weeks and never work again.

[B]

Yeah, I know.

[C]

That's right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's good for her.

[B]

That's good for her.

[C]

What do you do for work? What do you do?

[A]

Can you call me? Seriously? Yeah. Honestly, again, this has been like. It's a season that's keeping me awake for sure. I will say that, because I'm like, you don't know what's coming next. Yeah. There's twists and turns and. And sound effects I've never heard before on a show.

[B]

Okay. We talk about the. They did a. Like a remix. Blend of anxiety.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

And what was the other song? It's a song that I love. Gaultier.

[A]

I was like, okay. Dochi.

[B]

It was so good. I was like, ye.

[A]

At this point, I'm watching the show.

[B]

For this, for the music.

[A]

They need to have one of those QR codes that you can, like, spot. Like, get on your Spotify. Yeah, that would be really cool.

[B]

Or Apple music. Or spot.

[A]

Yeah, whichever one. Because that's so good. Yeah. Add that.

[B]

My sister works for Apple music.

[A]

Oh. Period. So they need to have, like, a little apple music.

[B]

Qr. I'm totally just kidding.

[A]

Okay, let's play a game.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

My favorite part of the show. Show. We're going to do Love is Blind season nine superlatives.

[B]

Ooh. Okay.

[A]

Okay. So I'm going to read out different superlatives, and you and I are going to go. We're going to assign them to somebody from this season.

[B]

Okay. Okay.

[A]

Most awkward reveal. Oh, gosh. Okay. Most awkward reveal. 100% goes to. What's her name? Allie. And Anton. She's literally standing there waiting for him to say, like, bye, babe. See you tomorrow. See you on vacation. Back to her chugging the Moet. And I'm like, oh, shit. The doors just close.

[B]

So funny.

[A]

Okay. That is an awkward reveal.

[B]

Okay. Can I tell you something? When I watched Casey and Patrick, she. For a moment there, like, I felt for her because in my season, for my reveal, I got my. Even my friends and I, we had a. Like, I got shit on because I'm whispering.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I was like, the whole reveal. I'm like, yeah. So insane. I think it's because it was my first time being in a room with a lot of the camera, like, so many cameras. And I thought, like, if I whispered, they couldn't hear me.

[A]

But instead of just sounding, they turn up the volume.

[B]

Yeah, they turn up the volume.

[A]

So now it's like this echo Whisper.

[B]

Everyone on TikTok was like, why is she whispering? And Casey kind of did the same thing, so was like, okay. Awkward.

[A]

Yeah. Also, there was a couple that didn't give the ring who didn't get. Oh, they forgot.

[B]

Late. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, she didn't. She didn't get a ring ever? No, not at the. At any point in the reveal.

[B]

What?

[A]

Kidding me? Yeah. Someone didn't get a ring.

[B]

I don't remember.

[A]

I forget. I'm going to have. I'm sorry, y'.

[B]

All.

[A]

I just. Bing. Just two days ago.

[B]

That's so funny.

[A]

But, yeah, she didn't get a ring.

[B]

That's so funny. Okay.

[A]

Smoothest talker. I would say. Casey.

[B]

Casey.

[A]

That performance and the.

[B]

Oh, my God, that was wild.

[A]

Awesome.

[B]

That was cr. I feel for her when she's gonna. Like when she watched that. When she sees that, it's gonna be hard to watch. Yeah, that was.

[A]

No, no. Smoothest talker goes to. I think his name is Mike. And I don't know if he was just a smooth talker, if he actually had his life together.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, he was just very, very polished, very put together.

[B]

Yeah, he was. Yes, he was.

[A]

I'll give it to Mike. Okay.

[B]

I think I would give it to. This is like, this person doesn't really. They. They try to smooth talk, but it did not hit. But it would be Nick, the one who was saying the same things.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

To the girls. Mr. Trying to be Mr. Playboy.

[A]

Nothing that came out of his mouth was smooth to me.

[B]

I was having a really hard time with him. I was like, I like to root for all these people. I know they're going to through it. But I was like, nick, you're really throwing me for a loop here.

[A]

Okay, Most likely to start drama.

[B]

Most likely to start.

[A]

Is it on camera or off camera?

[B]

Right off camera. Edmond, Edmund, for sure.

[A]

Drama. I don't feel like anyone is that honestly.

[B]

I'm going to go with Joe.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I'm gonna go with Joe. Because of Joe. The drinking thing in Mexico and the way he's waking up out of the.

[A]

Bed quite oblivious to the whole. Yeah, I was like, where he's at, you're filming. He knows what's going on.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Who would you say is a fan favorite?

[B]

I'm gonna go with Jordan and Megan, I think, personally, and I want to know what you think, but I think just Jordan being a dad and Megan embracing that and them going out with his ex and, like, just the mature. I don't know, I feel like they're really taking it seriously and they really want to make it work.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And they're there for the right reasons.

[A]

Yeah, I could see that. What do you think? I would probably say kb. KB Solely because if I were to put myself in her position, the way I would have lost my shit every single time. And the way she's just, like, composed.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, each time, I mean, she does lose it a little bit. Rightfully so.

[B]

She should. Yeah.

[A]

Like. But it took some time to get there. But, like, she just kind of, like, nurtures him in a way where she's like. You can tell she's trying to be the bigger person and, like, trying to see it through and trying to, like, hear him out for who he is. And, like, I don't know, for me, that I think is pretty honorable.

[B]

So the letter she wrote to him in the pods that she read to him about, like, that was deep. It was so. It was. And what she does for a living, like, she's just.

[A]

Yeah, she's a deep person.

[B]

Yeah, she's amazing.

[A]

Okay. Yes. A potty banger. Okay.

[B]

So good.

[A]

Best dressed.

[B]

I really liked. I feel like I sound like a Megan fan girl, but I really liked her Sparkle mag. And I'm like, not a sparkle person, but her outfits have been really cute. I liked what she wore to the rodeo party. Oh, she had on, like, a black, like.

[A]

Oh, with the sparkles and then the bandana. Yeah.

[B]

I really thought.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, that was cute.

[B]

I don't know if I'm missing anyone.

[A]

Best dress. You know, it is Denver, so.

[B]

It is Denver.

[A]

I think everybody's doing their best, so we're gonna leave that one. Leave that one there for me. Most likely to get married.

[B]

I'm nervous.

[A]

Me too. Most likely to get married. I would say the only one I'm.

[B]

Gonna say might make it is Megan and Jordan.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I feel like there's something about Megan and Jordan. Do you think that they're a strong couple?

[A]

I do think they're a strong couple. I just think they have so many obstacles. Like, they're dealing with real world shit like that no one else is dealing with, and they have a lot to, like, bring in. But see them not. Yeah. It's nothing that they can't do.

[B]

I wish it could be KB and Edmund, but I just think that they're. I don't know, Phil.

[A]

I don't know. I feel like she's so sweet and open to who he is. That.

[B]

Yeah, maybe. Maybe. Nightmare.

[A]

Let's kind of wrap things up and, like, refocus, because love is blind. Season nine is a lot to take in, and it's a lot to, like, unwrap. So let's bring it back down.

[B]

Let's bring it back down. That was a wild ride. All the best of luck to all.

[A]

Best of all, we're rooting for love. We're rooting for happiness. We're rooting for everybody to find their person 1,000%. And, yeah, we want. We want the best. At the end of the day, I do want to thank you for being so open with me today. As you look into the future, what's something that you're looking forward to?

[B]

I am so excited to move into this house.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Peace out on mom and dad. And we've, like, gotten so many decorations, and it's just, like, been a labor of love, so I can't wait. We're very close.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then, honestly, like, a lot of. With the IVF stuff, so many people reached out to me, and they said my third time was my charm 3. Third time's a charm, Third time's a charm, Third time's a charm. So I am hope. I'm very hopeful. I'm very optimistic. Yeah, we can fill our house with, like, little babes at some point soon. Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Well, like I said earlier, I'm just so tuned into your story. I'm so tuned into anything that you have going on, not just IVF and, like, your relationship. I want updates on the house. I just want it all. Like, I'm really tuned in and tapped in, and I know a lot of the world is, too, and we're all rooting for you. I'm just, like, really grateful that you're here. And when you have your housewarming, invite me.

[B]

You're invited. And the baby. And I'm so happy for you. And Ollie's invited, too. Ollie's invited, too. And I'm so, so, so, so, so happy for you. Thank you. She's so proud.

[A]

Did you watch Perfect Match?

[B]

Some of it. Not the whole thing.

[A]

Just wherever you are.

[B]

Just leave it there.

[A]

Love us for who we are today.

[B]

I love you. I would have loved you either way.

[A]

But, yeah, just leave it at that. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But you loved it. You had a. You loved it.

[A]

I loved when it wrapped. And I love my man today.

[B]

Good.

[A]

That's all that matters.

[B]

It's. It's. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

No, it wasn't. It was not. Love is blind. That's all I can say. It was not.

[B]

Love is blind.

[A]

In a good way. In a great way. This was not forced in 10 days.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So.

[B]

Right. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I feel really good.

[B]

Yeah. I'm so happy for you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Thank you. And thank you for stopping by.

[B]

Thank you. I love you. Thanks for having me. Amazing. Yeah. Thank you.

[A]

And thank you guys for joining me for another episode of what's the Reality. Be sure to follow us on all social platforms at what's the reality? Pod and I will see you next Wednesday.

[B]

Bye.

[A]

What's the reality? What's the reality?

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