Love Is Blind's Zack & Bliss Unpack All the Season 10 Wedding Drama (Episodes 1-12 Recap)

Summary

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Podcast Summary: What’s the Reality? – Love Is Blind’s Zack & Bliss Unpack All the Season 10 Wedding Drama (Episodes 1-12 Recap)

Host: Amber Desiree (AD)
Guests: Zack Goytowski & Bliss Poureetezadi (Love Is Blind S4)
Release Date: March 4, 2026
Timestamps Noted in (MM:SS) Format

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Overview & Main Theme

In this special episodes recap, AD sits down with fan-favorite Love Is Blind couple Zack and Bliss to break down all the drama, emotional highs, shocks, and memorable moments from Season 10, Episodes 1-12—including all the weddings. The trio dives into behind-the-scenes insights, relationship nuances, and what viewers didn’t see on camera, all while offering their signature warmth and honesty. Alongside the tea, the couples reflect on parenthood, the challenges of finding real love in the pods, and the lessons they’ve learned.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Parenthood & Life After the Show

• First Love Is Blind Baby: Zack and Bliss, along with AD, discuss being among the first Love Is Blind alumni to become parents. They talk about the profound changes, joys, and challenges that have come with parenthood since the show.

  • Notable Moment: Bliss shares her daughter’s early ability to memorize and sing along with her at just eight months old. (07:47)
  • Quote: “It's something that's almost indescribable... You see everything anew again, like, through their eyes.” – Zack (04:04)

• Partnership in Marriage and Parenting:

  • Bliss and Zack reveal how parenthood brought them closer, made them a stronger team, and helped them see each other's best (and most tired) sides.
  • Quote: “You see what your person is made of... it just flows, and it’s just because we want the best for her.” – AD (05:30)

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The Reality of Love Is Blind: What Viewers Didn’t See

• Behind the Pods: Zack emphasizes the deep layers in their pod connection that the show could not capture, including “so many more, like, signs from the universe or God…” (12:15)

• Vulnerability & Fears: Zack reflects on his strong fear in the pods about hurting Bliss and himself, admitting, “I was absolutely in love... I made a really dumb choice to walk away from that rather than face my fears.” (13:21)

• Deleted Scenes: Bliss and Zack recount anxieties about allergies, family acceptance, and pet ownership, which played a significant role in their journey but were omitted from the final edits. (15:18)

  • Quote: “There are people who would end a relationship over allergies…” – Bliss (16:50)

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Season 10 Drama & Wedding Recap

General Reflections

• Zack and Bliss praise Season 10 as one with “real love, drama, shocking moments... everything in it.” Bliss singles out “the beauty and also the ugly side of love, and sometimes that's a good thing.” (17:16, 17:47)

Couples in Focus

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Jessica & Chris

• First breakup before the wedding.
• Zack was shocked at Chris’s sudden change, calling it “like a light switch” and condemning how Chris handled the breakup, “Don’t be mean about it.” (24:35)
• Discussion about his embarrassing behavior at the cast mixer and underlying insecurities.
  • “...pure selfishness and literally lack of consideration for anybody else.” – Zack (26:06)

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Alex & Priyanka

• Zack: “I wasn’t Surprised that his stories didn’t line up. There was a lot of extra effort put in...”
• The cast reflects on conflicting timelines with Alex’s ex and the patterns of “narcissistic” behavior this season. (29:21, 21:03)

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Amber & Jordan

• Praised as a joyful, “balanced” couple. Both Zack and Bliss felt they had great energy.
• Discussion on Amber's response to Jordan’s nerves about meeting her daughter—everyone agrees those anxieties are normal. (29:44, 30:54)

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Brittany & Devonte

• The group questions if Brittany is truly accepting Devonte’s lack of physical affection or just settling.
  • Bliss: “I think it’s a cop out…you have to make your partners feel loved.” (32:17)
• Agreement that nonsexual touch is important for connection. (33:00)
• General consensus: Devonte’s call-off wasn’t a surprise and was ultimately the mature thing to do. (43:24)
  • “There was maybe a little bit of leading her on… but it's clear he knew for a while that this wasn't for him.” – Zack (43:46)

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Bri & Connor

• No surprise when Bri calls off the wedding; all three saw it as mature and honest. Bliss notes, “If you’re not ready, you shouldn’t get married.” (35:16)

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Emma & Mike

• “I liked them as a couple. Their conversations were so emotionally mature…” – Zack (36:47)
• Surprise that Emma said yes at the altar despite earlier reservations about kids. (37:05)
• The hosts wonder why Mike risked proposing to someone not aligned with his desire for children. (38:47)

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Vic & Christine

• Universally celebrated as the real, lasting love of the season.
  • “You could just literally feel it [the magic]. So, so happy for them—they’re together forever.” – Zack (56:54)
• The guests speculate why they weren't followed by a film crew on vacation, suggesting perhaps production assumed they were “least likely to marry” (but were proven wrong). (57:24–58:29)

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Additional Highlights

• Prenup Conversation: Zack and Bliss both agree prenups are “fine…a logical, smart thing, making everyone feel safe.” (33:45)
• Physical Touch & Love Languages: Extended reflection on the importance of physical affection, willingness to compromise, and thoughtful morning rituals to show love. (33:00–33:10)

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Lessons Learned from Love Is Blind

Vulnerability is Key:
“People who are going to find love on Love Is Blind are the ones who are able to be vulnerable. Period.” – Bliss (22:29)

Honest Communication:
Praise for this season’s “honest conversations about feelings,” even among couples who didn’t last. (59:16)

Letting Go of ‘Type’:
“Ultimately…let go of like, ‘oh, a type’... you literally are developing it [love] for literally who they are.” – Zack (68:32)

Challenging “Stories” About Others:
“Stories are often what get in the way of you actually finding love... The stories they tell themselves about people are what are getting in the way.” – Bliss (67:23)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Parenthood:
  “Someone has this new way of hurting you... it's a lie. It's the most beautiful experience in the world.” – Zack (04:04)

• On Regret:
  “I immediately regretted, like, the moment that we ended our relationship.” – Bliss (14:42)

• On Chriss's Behavior:
  “You’re not a 13-year-old, you’re an adult person...just pure selfishness.” – Zack (26:06)

• On Accepting Differences:
  “No human being could ever be the most perfect everything for everyone...there’s no such thing as a literal perfect human being. You’re gonna have to compromise.” – Zack (32:07)

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Timestamped Highlights

• Parenthood and First Love Is Blind Baby: 01:54–08:47
• Marriage & What Viewers Didn’t See: 09:43–17:16
• Season 10 General Recap: 17:20–21:03
• Jessica & Chris Breakup: 24:25–25:53
• Ashley & Alex’s Dramatic Altar Scene: 50:47–55:50
• Vic & Christine’s Lasting Love: 55:50–58:33
• Biggest Lessons from Love Is Blind: 67:23–69:30

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Final Thoughts

The episode delivers a heartfelt, revealing, and often hilarious look back at the highs and lows of Love Is Blind Season 10, as seen through the eyes of a committed, now-parent couple and a host who knows the game from the inside. In addition to dissecting every relationship twist and altar moment, the trio’s warmth and willingness to be vulnerable illuminate deeper truths about love, self-awareness, and what it takes for reality TV romances to thrive in the real world.

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Listen for:

• Real-life impact of the Love Is Blind experiment on relationships
• Raw admissions about regret, fear, and learning to love
• Expert-level breakdowns of this season’s most controversial moments
• The insightful “Ick or Stick” game with Zack and Bliss, and their nuanced reflections

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For fans of Love Is Blind, reality TV, and honest conversations about modern romance, this episode is an unmissable backstage pass.

Transcript

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What's the Reality?

[Zach]

What's the reality?

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What's up? What's up? What's up? And welcome to another episode of what's the Reality? It's your girl ad. And you probably noticed if you're watching that I am not in my studio and I'll be doing a few episodes out on the road. And I'm very, very excited. So keep tuning in. Also, I am speaking to some very, very special people today. A couple joining me from Love is Blind season four, we have Zach and Bliss. Welcome to what's the Reality, y'. All. Hi.

[Zach]

Thank you for having me. You're welcome to be here.

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I'm so happy. This is long overdue. We tried to do this a few months ago and life, life. But we're here now and I'm so happy. So before we go further in, I want to let the listeners know and the viewers know that we'll be breaking down episodes one through 12. That includes the weddings. So spoiler alert if you haven't watched it, but pause, go watch it and then come back so you can get in on all this tea.

[Zach]

How are you guys living that parent life? How are you doing, girl?

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Tired as all hell.

[Zach]

Yes. You look. You don't look tired.

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Thank you, thank you, thank you. How do you guys feel about having your new addition joining your family?

[Zach]

We're so excited as you know, like, you just. Your heart just grows so much. And I hear with the second one, it grows even bigger. And so we're just really grateful. Grateful and humbled and happy and so excited to see our girl become a big sister.

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Yeah. Is she excited to be a big sister?

[Zach]

Yeah. I think she, like can understand that there's a baby in here. She's gone to some ultrasounds, and she'll say, like, baby and, like, kiss my belly. She'll say baby sibling, and, like, touch my belly. And, yeah, she's.

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She's gonna be.

[Zach]

She loves sister, so I feel like she just is meant to have siblings, and, like, she's gonna love it.

[Bliss]

We got our little puppy, and so she's got a little bit of practice being a big sister, you know, And I think it's good we got her a puppy.

[Zach]

Learning to be gentle.

[Bliss]

I've had to break up some fights between her and the puppy.

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It's a sight.

[Zach]

Grab you by the face. Yeah.

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Pick you up.

[Zach]

Yeah. So hopefully by the time the baby comes, they'll be. She'll have learned.

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Well, what's it like having the first love is blind, baby?

[Zach]

Oh, yeah. You know, I think every baby is so special, whether they're the first or the fifth or the ninth or whatever. But it's. It's really cool to, like, kind of have started this club, you know, if you will, of parenthood for the couples. And we're excited to hopefully continue welcoming more people to that club. And it's wonderful.

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We have the first perfect match, Love is blind.

[Zach]

Yes, you do.

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Cross continental.

[Zach]

Yes, baby.

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We got a lot of titles with ours, but, yeah, first, like, perfect. Perfect match, baby, I think. And I'm ready for the second, third, and fourth.

[Zach]

Let's do it. Yeah, Keep going. Right? Gosh, it's such a special thing.

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What has parenthood been like so far?

[Bliss]

Wow. It changing constantly. Very little sleep. But we finally get in some sleep

[Zach]

just in time for number two, Right?

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It's.

[Zach]

It's something that's almost indescribable. It's. It changes you. It elevates your everything. Like, your whole perception almost, like, gets opened wider, like a lens is lifted in a way, and you see everything anew again, like, through their eyes. It's hard, though, too. It's very challenging. There's, you know, sleepless nights. There's worrying about your baby's health and, like, making sure they're okay. And, you know, you become so much more vulnerable when your baby is born. Right. Like, you. Someone has this new way of hurting you or, like, your heart will be broken if their heart's broken. Like, it's just. It's a lie. It's the most beautiful experience in the world, though.

[Bliss]

I will never forget, and I'm sure you're. You're still right in the thick of it right now. That first. The first couple days, people had told me, like, Bliss told me. She's like, yeah, the baby will wake up every two hours. Like, that's not possible. Humans aren't meant to do that.

[Zach]

But she's just exaggerating now. Like, literally.

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Yes.

[Bliss]

But we did it. We got through it. It felt like. It felt like law school all over again.

[Zach]

Except, like, all the time, 24 hours,

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except crying and screaming. Oh, my gosh.

[Zach]

And I'm sure, like, you know, with. With Ollie, like, it also, like, brings a different level of love between you guys, you know? Like, it. You get to experience each other in this different way.

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Yeah. Yeah. And, like, grows that partnership, and it's like, you see what your person is made of, and you see how your person has your back and how you show up for your person. Me and Ali were talking about it the other day because I was getting my hair done and it took 99 hours. But, like, we have developed this kind of rhythm where it's like, I'll let her cry for a certain amount of time, and then I'm like, okay, I know she needs me. And vice versa. Like, you kind of. Can you get in tune with the baby and then your husband and you're just like, I know when it's time to step in. And he's like, the same way. Like, I know when you need. And it just. We didn't have to talk about it. We didn't have to make a schedule. It just flows, and it's just because we want the best for her. Like, it's just so crazy how it all comes together when you're two people that want it to come together.

[Zach]

Totally.

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Yeah.

[Zach]

I'm a team in this new, beautiful way.

[Bliss]

And.

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Yeah.

[Zach]

A functional unit.

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Yeah.

[Bliss]

The way that you respond and the way you think about every little detail that our daughter needs, those are things that I never would have even contemplated in. In the pods. But you think about how she's going to feel if the diaper is just slightly off. Dad's just like, I didn't think of that.

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We put them on, like, origami the guys. I feel like men take longer to put them on, but we put them on the right way. I'm like, ollie, what are you doing?

[Zach]

Like, the tape to rub her belly right there. You have to put it, like, the part right here. Yeah. They're trees red, and they can't say anything when they're super young. Like, she can't say, yeah, yeah, we

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care about the small. The small things.

[Zach]

Yes. The small things.

[Bliss]

She really? Does she think. She thinks about every detail. With our daughter.

[Zach]

It's just an honor to be a parent, as I'm sure you're knowing. So we're just reveling in that.

[Bliss]

As a dad, this is a balance that I have. I've really been kind of, like, struggling with is like, I want to brag about my girl and everyone who will listen to me, and I'm like, okay, where's the balance here? Yeah, like, we. Yeah, it's. It's. It's hard. It's hard. It's. I don't know what the balance is. She is brilliant. Yeah. Our girl is scary, scary brilliant. It is wild.

[Zach]

She is. She's really special.

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She.

[Bliss]

Okay, listen. At eight months old, she. I realized that she had memorized the songs I had been singing to her when I would rock her to sleep, because I would sing probably, like, five or six songs a night to, like, put her to sleep in the first.

[Zach]

Like, the thing has drastically improved. The very, very first song, I love you. Practice, Practice. Literally.

[Bliss]

I don't know if it's improved, but it has. My daughter likes it. For now.

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Yeah.

[Bliss]

The very first song she sang with me. Sang with me was the Lion King. So I. Well, that's not a song. Right. But can you feel the love tonight? Right, but I think it's Elton John who sing. Sings. Can you feel the love tonight? But I. I. You know the Timon and Pumba part, that's like, I can see what's happening.

[Zach]

Yes.

[Bliss]

And they don't have a clue.

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And then.

[Zach]

And then she'll, like, chime in words.

[Bliss]

She goes, who? She said who? She's eight months old. She goes, who?

[Zach]

Who?

[Bliss]

So she. She finished the song with me. I picked up on this. And so then I. I started to pause, and I. And she would fill in the words, and there's about 50 songs that she can sing to, like, 70% of 50 songs. 50, like, if not more.

[Zach]

Pretty crazy.

[Bliss]

It's crazy. She makes me so proud. She just does.

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Oh, you're glowing.

[Zach]

You're such a girl, like, beaming. Thinking about you. You're a proud dad. She's lucky to have you. Really? Yeah.

[Bliss]

Sorry.

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No, that's okay. Listen now. I'm a mommy. I'm like. I listen to stories about the kids all day long. Yeah. Because that's me. I'm like, want to see my daughter? You want to see my daughter? You want to see me? That's all I'm hoping.

[Zach]

Yeah. Yeah.

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And I'm like, she's smiling, like, so Cute.

[Zach]

She's adorable. She loves you.

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Yeah. Wow.

[Bliss]

That was like walking in there.

[Zach]

That was just Angel.

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She's so cute. Let's talk about this beautiful relationship which started as an unconventional love is blind success story. How has married life been a whirlwind, really?

[Zach]

Yeah, it's. I think sometimes our. Our day to day can feel so normal that sometimes it's not like I forget the way that we met, but it just seems like so surreal and separate from how normal our day to day is. Day is. But it's been great. You know, you kind of in love is blind. You do things a little bit backwards. Like you get married and then you move in together and like, do, you know, really join your lives. And so I think we spent like the first year just really like understanding each other and traveling and all that stuff. And you know, we started our family pretty quickly, but that was the right thing for us. And marriage has just been this beautiful growing together.

[Bliss]

Yeah. Yeah, we. We have. I feel like I have grown so much as a human being with you and having a mirror to kind of reflect your yourself and be able to look at you in a way that maybe you can't always see your where you need to grow. And I feel like I've grown a lot as a person just being with you.

[Zach]

Same. Yeah.

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Yeah.

[Zach]

Bring out or bring it. We challenge each other too, I think, which is important for both of us. We both are type of people that will challenge others and want to be challenged and we do that for each other and that helps us grow. So.

[Bliss]

Yeah. But being a dad more than anything, I feel like has. Has changed me as like a human and I've just reflected on it and I think about, like the different stages of life and fatherhood. Like, I look back at all the stages of my life and you know, there's a nostalgia in the past, but I would never want to be anywhere

[Zach]

else than where I am right now. The best days are right now. I'm sure you can agree. Like these, like, say, oh, that was the best of my life. Like, this is right now.

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Yeah.

[Zach]

I have time of our life.

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Yeah. I'm not missing out on anything. I've done everything I needed to do. And right here, right now, like, this is the best time. Yes. The perfect time. Like, I can relate to that so much.

[Zach]

These are the days. Yeah. Yeah.

[Bliss]

Like, no part of us wants to be out at the club.

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No. Not even a little bit. Not even a little bit.

[Bliss]

Let's go to bed early.

[Zach]

I'll probably never go back to the club.

[Bliss]

We're like, eight hours of sleep tonight.

[Zach]

That is the true treat. Literally.

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You guys, what is something that your season of the show didn't capture about your love story that you wish the

[Zach]

viewers could have seen? I really think in the pods, there was so, like, I feel like with the time that they had, they did a really good job of showing our connection, but it was. There were so much. So many more layers to it. There were so many more, like, signs from the universe or God or whatever you may believe in that really just showed that we were, like, so meant to be. And, like, how can. How much we were connected on, like, everything, like, literally everything. I think that was probably my biggest thing that I would wish they would show more, but I'm glad that they're showing more of the pods now because there's so much. And I think people are starting to understand how nuanced and complicated things are when you're in relationships with multiple people and what that looks like and the struggle behind all of that.

[Bliss]

It honestly, I don't think anybody can fully understand what you go through, especially with, like, the dating multiple people at the same time. Like, I don't think anybody can understand that unless.

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I don't think we still understand it.

[Zach]

Like, what was that? Yeah, it's a fever dream, right? You're like, what? Yeah, yeah.

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It's so hard to explain.

[Zach]

Yeah, it is. It truly is.

[Bliss]

I think it's hard for people to kind of understand, you know, we've. We've beat it to death at this point. But, like, how afraid I was in the pods, I don't think people really understood that with Bliss. Like, I was very, very afraid if we got engaged and it didn't work out, that my heart was going to break and her heart was going to break. And I don't think people understood how real that fear was. For me, I feel like that's, like, the number one thing that people don't get, because anybody who knew, like, what was going down knows that I was absolutely in love with Bliss. Like, and I was just like, I made. I made a really dumb choice to. To walk away from that rather than face my fears.

[Zach]

I honestly think, though, like, I mean, that part of it, like, you had to kind of go through that process in order to maybe be ready actually to be married and, like, have that experience, to, like, be like, okay, like, this is what.

[Bliss]

Yeah, yeah. It was definitely, for me, like, a moment of, like, oh, yeah.

[Zach]

I think if they showed more of that, then people would maybe understand it. More. Not that we need them to, but I think that that's something that would have been nice to have included.

[Bliss]

I immediately regretted, like the moment that we ended our relationship. Like, I, I mean, I guess, you know, there was a moment where Bobby looked at me and he was one of our producers.

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Yeah, I know Bobby.

[Bliss]

And I remember, I remember he said to me, he's like, you don't look like a man who's ready to get aged. And you know, like, I, because I was just disheveled. Like after Bliss and I broke up, like, it was so obvious I was so disheveled. And the animal allergies was something that never got brought.

[Zach]

That's true too. That was a big part of it.

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The animal allergies.

[Zach]

Yes. You don't even know. Like, my dog and my cat were like my children at the time. They still are. And he's highly allergic, like to both,

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to both cats and tops.

[Zach]

And like, he told me he was allergic. I was like, why me? Like, literally that was my response.

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I was like, oh, I don't know about this.

[Zach]

Like, so there was a lot, there

[Bliss]

were, there were a lot of obstacles that I thought would get in the way of us. I didn't know if her family was going to accept me. And you're, you're creating these, these things in your mind when you're in the pods, Right? Because I didn't know what her family was like, but based on, like, who I had met in the pods and, you know, like what I had imagined, I just imagined that I wasn't going to be accepted by her family. And that was a big issue in my mind. And then when I told her, like, hey, I'm very, very alert animals. In fact, I didn't know this until after we got, after we were married. I, I went to an allergist to get allergy shots and did that for a year. But they diagnosed me with allergy induced asthma.

[Zach]

Wow.

[Bliss]

And I was like, I don't have asthma. What are you talking about? Like, I don't, I don't have asthma. And they're like, you know that thing where you can't breathe? I was like, yeah, that's called asthma. Yeah. No, I, but it, the allergy shots helped and then a lot of the preventive measures that we took. But that's like, honestly, there are people

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who

[Bliss]

would end a relationship over allergy.

[Zach]

Honestly, if I found out very early on in the pods process that he was allergic, I cannot save 100. That I would have been like, fully confident. Yeah. And I Brought it up to other guys in the pods on dates, but for some reason, God. God was like, no, it's not going to come up because you guys are gonna hear. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, it all worked out though, the way that it was supposed to. And I, I love our story.

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I love that. Are we ready to.

[Bliss]

Yeah.

[Zach]

I really liked the season overall. I thought it was a really good season. I thought there was like kind of everything in this one. There was actually like real love. There was the drama, which some people love. Definitely a lot of shocking moments.

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You know, we needed the redemption from last season for sure.

[Zach]

Yes. Oh, yeah. Yeah, sure. There was like that couple, you know, that you just. Oh my gosh. And the love. And I really thought it really had everything in it.

[Bliss]

Yeah, obviously we love Vic and, and that. That relationship is just so beautiful, so amazing that they found each other like. And it's just, it's just awesome seeing people find their, their, their person and knowing that that's their person. I think every season you, you see the beauty of love, but then you see also the ugly side of it and you see a lot of love die in the relationship. And sometimes, you know, it's a, it's a good thing. But when, you know, Chris is kind of public enemy number one right now and I, I see someone who's has a deep insecurity and I like when I. When I look at that relationship and kind of the way it went, like, I felt like Chris wanted to reject her before she could reject him.

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I could see that.

[Zach]

Yeah.

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And before she saw the real him.

[Zach]

Yeah.

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[Bliss]

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[Zach]

I think we saw that, like, a lot, actually, in this season. Like, I think a lot of Alex's behavior was very, like, I, like, I again, hesitate to use the word narcissistic, but we saw a lot of. A lot of that this season, which is really kind of surprising.

[Bliss]

But I mean, I think my hope, my hope for him, for Chris, is that he really will be able to take a step back and, like, look at himself and, and ask, because it's

[Zach]

like, in his face. Like, I think that's the beautiful thing about this show. Like, even if you don't find love, even if you don't end up married, like, you can still learn so much from it. You know, you get to literally watch yourself. Literally. Yeah. So hopefully they're both take this, that opportunity to learn from it, but it was. It was a wild experience. I'm. I'm happy when things don't work out when. That way because it's like, you know, their partners deserve to be with someone who's not like that. They're clearly not ready to, to be married, but they.

[Bliss]

They also have the capacity to become better.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Bliss]

And I, I just hope that people will give them that room because this is like, what we go through in this situation. You see the absolute worst of people because they're pushed to their. The experiment is so difficult to, like, just be vulnerable. And I say this ever, like, every year, like, the people who are going to find love on love is blind are the ones who are able to be vulnerable.

[Ad]

Yeah.

[Bliss]

Period.

[Ad]

Yep.

[Bliss]

And. And that's very.

[Zach]

To be their, like, true, authentic selves. It's not easy to do.

[Ad]

Sure.

[Bliss]

Chris told me that, you know, when we were in the pods and I almost left, like, I really did, because I realized, like, there was this moment of shock where I hadn't. I hadn't occurred to me that I was going to have to open up about things that I had not even shared with my closest friends to strangers, in front of cameras, in front of the entire world. I really almost left on day one.

[Ad]

Yeah.

[Bliss]

And I thought about it, and I was like, okay. And then day two, I completely, completely changed, like, my, like, my approach. I went from being, like, very playful to, like, okay, we're gonna get real, and we're gonna get real really quick. And a lot of people who watch it, they. I don't think they understand. Like, if you're gonna find your wife or your husband in 10 days, you are going. You're. You're going to have to accelerate the level of vulnerability.

[Ad]

Yeah, for sure.

[Bliss]

And I just think that's what happened with a lot of the men on this season. And is. And I, you know, they weren't. They weren't ready to be vulnerable.

[Ad]

No, not at all.

[Bliss]

And if you're not ready to be vulnerable, you're not ready to get married.

[Zach]

And just honestly, like, honest. Yeah, like, being honest, you think, oh, you're being honest. But for some people, that's really hard to do. They're not honest with themselves. There's fear. There's all sorts of things. It was. It was wild. Yeah, it was wild. It was a wild season.

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Zach, you mentioned that you like Vic. Were there any other couples that stood out to you guys?

[Zach]

Amber and Jordan. Really sweet.

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Yeah.

[Zach]

I. I really loved the way that they interacted. It was very fun.

[Ad]

Yeah.

[Zach]

They're like this. This. It. To me, they're very sweet, and I really. I really liked them.

[Bliss]

Yeah. Yeah. I would. I would say I really like the energy there.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Ad]

Let's talk about Jessica and Chris a little bit more. The first couple to break it off before the wedding day. What were your thoughts when watching that and how it all played out?

[Zach]

I was so shocked. Like, you kind of get this sense, like, when they're sitting on the couch, it's like, okay, like, something weird happens. And it. It honestly just surprised me because he wasn't expressing really much of that beforehand at all. And then it was like a light switch right where did this come from? Yeah, like literally out of nowhere. And I was shocked and I just felt so bad for her because you could tell she, you know, she's a well established woman. She's not like out here trying to find just any guy. And she really like fell in love with him and felt so happy to be with him. And it was just, it was really hard to see her be treated that way. And you can, that's fine. You're not in love with someone, you don't want to get married to them. Fine. Don't be mean. Don't be mean about it. So mean. The excuses were just like, it's like, just say what it is random thing. And have you, do you see her? Like, have you, have you seen her? Like, you're out of the pods now. Like, have you seen the humble yourself? What are you saying?

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Humble?

[Zach]

Your making sense in your. Yeah, yeah. It was really, it was really sad to see, but again, like, and I was grateful that she got to see that before they got married and like, you know, at least, like, at least

[Ad]

she got trapped in that. Yeah.

[Zach]

Because he kept that mask up. And then it was like, after. Now that would have been.

[Ad]

No.

[Zach]

So it was shocking though. I was like, what is happening?

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What did you guys think about his behavior at the cast mixer?

[Zach]

Oh, goodness. I was like, wow, you have no, no shame.

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It was just like a snowball effect. It just kept going and going and getting bigger and worse.

[Zach]

It was very, it was really unacceptable. I mean, at that age, you know, you're not a 13 year old, you're an adult person and that behavior is just not okay. It's almost, yeah, just like the pure selfishness and literally lack of consideration for anybody else. It was just really horrifying.

[Bliss]

I hope he finds someone that he can, he can talk to, that can help him walk through these things that are going on. Because I think sometimes, like, it's hard to look at yourself objectively and having someone who can, can help you like, understand. Because now he has to like, see like, okay, I did these things and like, where did that come from?

[Zach]

Yeah, maybe he was unaware of what he, how selfish he was being.

[Bliss]

It just sounds like a lot of insecurities and like, I think like that kind of behavior of like, oh, I'm going to try to, I'm going to try to steal this person. Like, I, I think that that is coming from like he wants to, he wants to validate himself in his head. So he's, he's trying to create this illusion and support that illusion with his behavior. And he's intoxicated. He's very intoxicated.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bliss]

Clearly very.

[Zach]

Still not an excuse.

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Not an excuse. You know, you're still held to the.

[Zach]

The law when you're drinking, you know, like you're still healthy.

[Bliss]

Oh, the delusion. Highlighting. Right. Because it becomes more realistic.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Bliss]

In. In his mind.

[Zach]

And like, he knew the cameras were there too. It's like, wow.

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Do you guys think that Bri stood there and entertained the conversation a little too long? Oh, gosh.

[Bliss]

Probably.

[Zach]

Yeah. These situations are so confident.

[Bliss]

It's hard.

[Ad]

It is hard.

[Zach]

Cuz she also, you know, she did have a connection with him in the pods and. And there's this level of like, you have this attachment to people that you, you know. So maybe she was just trying to be nice or like, it's hard to know. But yeah, I think it was. At a certain point, you gotta shut it down and be like, I'm just gonna walk away from this and not hear this out anymore.

[Bliss]

Yeah. I think the niceness is something that a lot of people struggle with, especially in a situation where someone's highly intoxicated, is. It's hard to know when to walk away in those situations. And I have to wonder, I don't know what's going on in her mind, but I have to wonder if she's wanting to be polite, like, humor him.

[Zach]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bliss]

And not.

[Ad]

Not know how. Not know. Like, when you're in that situation, it's hard to be like, okay, stop talking. He's like really drunk. You don't know. You're seeing a different version of him. You don't know if he's gonna snap or what's gonna happen.

[Bliss]

So she probably doesn't wanna escalate the situation. She doesn't wanna make it worse.

[Ad]

Right.

[Bliss]

And I think we've all probably been in a situation where there was someone

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who's way too drunk and you're just like, yeah.

[Zach]

You're like.

[Bliss]

You don't know how to end the conversation.

[Zach]

Yeah. Yeah, totally.

[Bliss]

So I don't know.

[Ad]

Yeah.

[Bliss]

I think obviously she probably wishes that she had ended it sooner. But it's like back, you know, hindsight's 50, you know, hindsight's 20 20.

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Yeah. We also learned that Alex and Priyanka knew each other before the experiment. And Priyanka revealed a timeline with his ex that didn't match what he told Ashley. What did you guys think about that moment? Were you guys surprised that his stories didn't line up?

[Zach]

I wasn't Surprised that his stories didn't line up. I think there was a lot of things that didn't line up, so it

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kind of just followed the trend. Yeah.

[Zach]

Yeah. And not to be judgmental about it, it's hard to, you know, even remember every little detail of my time on. In my life, but, like, there was a lot of extra effort put in there to get. Convey a certain thing and then. Yeah. Contradict it and. Yeah.

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Did you guys see where Amber got upset with Jordan after she overheard him telling the guys that he was scared to meet her daughter?

[Zach]

I think. I think it's normal to be afraid to be. You know, I. I dated someone with a kid, and that's a scary situation. I mean, it's. You. You're basically being in a relationship with both of them. You know, you're. You're having your. A family that you're coming into. I think it's totally normal to be scared of that. I think I would be worried if he wasn't scared because, like, this is my child. You need. This is like, the most important meeting of your life.

[Ad]

Yeah.

[Zach]

So I. I get why he would feel that way.

[Bliss]

Yeah. It makes a lot of sense.

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What'd you think of her reaction?

[Zach]

I think when it comes to your kid, you kind of sometimes are not the most logical about things. And so I also can understand that side of it, too, you know, like, it's. I really can.

[Ad]

Yeah. Okay, let's talk Brittany and Devonte for a second. Big, deep breath. So Brittany says she learned to accept the fact that he's not affectionate towards her. Do we think that's true acceptance or that she's just settling?

[Zach]

It's so hard to know. I think acceptance can have a lot of, like, layers to get to that process. And, you know, it's one of those things where, okay, she can accept this about him, but she also, like, needed that, you know, in her life. So, like, the physical touch part. So it's. It's hard to say.

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It's.

[Zach]

It's just such a complicated situation.

[Bliss]

Yeah, I. Yeah, I. I think it's a cop out.

[Zach]

I also, I think you can accept something about someone and not, like, it still, you know, And I think that's.

[Ad]

That's okay, too. I think especially in this experience experiment where it's like, maybe she's accepting it for a short amount of time because you don't really know each other, and she's like, maybe there's potential for it to change, maybe there's potential for it to grow. But, like, right now it's still, we're still strangers. And like expecting someone to be like all on you, like within the first 24 hours of meeting them face to face is like kind of aggressive. So I could see how she could be like maybe in a month or so when he warms up and I could see that, I wouldn't say settling, but definitely like just trying to get to know.

[Zach]

Compromising.

[Ad]

Yeah. What was going on.

[Zach]

And the thing is too like no human being being could ever be the most perfect every something for everyone. Right. Like there's no such thing as a literal perfect human being.

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Yeah.

[Zach]

You're gonna have to compromise on things. I think it's mature, you know, and maybe she could even grow a little bit too and be like, I'm willing to have a little less of that. Like, I don't think it was settling. Yeah. Compromise.

[Bliss]

I honestly can't get in the psyche of, of like what's going on in his head. But I like, I just don't understand. Just very confused.

[Ad]

I think we all, it's like, have you seen her?

[Zach]

Ye.

[Bliss]

Yeah. It was just, it was just weird. And like, I think that there's a balance when people, we all feel loved differently. And I feel like it's a cop out to say like I don't express love that way because ultimately we, we have to make, make our partners feel loved.

[Zach]

Yeah. Even if you don't express it that way, you need to give that person physical touch. Even though that's not your thing, that's what you need to do.

[Bliss]

And, and outside of like the way us having different of love, like there's tons of evidence that non sexual touch is so critical for connection in a relationship.

[Zach]

Totally.

[Bliss]

And I, I, I consciously think about that in our relationship. Like how do I in the morning make sure Bliss feels loved physically. And if you're not thinking about that as a partner, like you're, you're, you're sabotaging your relationship period.

[Zach]

Yeah. So there's something deeper going on there with him.

[Ad]

Yeah.

[Bliss]

I don't think you can be like,

[Zach]

oh, well, I just don't like to touch you.

[Bliss]

Okay.

[Ad]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Ad]

That's not gonna have any longevity.

[Zach]

No.

[Ad]

Non zero. Devonte also brings up wanting a prenup. What are you guys thoughts on that?

[Zach]

I think prenups are fine. Personally, I think it's important. I feel like you never know what happens in life and to me it's just a logical, smart thing. Like I, I don't have a problem with that. Yeah.

[Bliss]

I, I think prenups can be great. I think it's great. Especially.

[Ad]

Yeah.

[Zach]

The lawyer of a relationship. Yeah. I think prenups can be a healthy thing. I think it can make everyone feel safe.

[Ad]

I agree.

[Zach]

Yeah. In my mind, it's like, if you have a problem with signing the prenup, then maybe there's something. I don't know. Some people take it personally, but I think they're fine.

[Bliss]

Yeah. I don't think anyone should ever be offended about someone bringing up a prenuptial agreement. All it is is just establishing if things don't work out, this is how

[Zach]

the assets are going to make it easier for everybody. Really.

[Bliss]

It's a good inspiration.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Ad]

I think we need you to sit in on some of the future Love is Blind conversations about prenups because it seems to be so scary on the show. But if you just come in, can we take a pause and bring Zach in and let him explain?

[Zach]

Exactly.

[Ad]

That would be pretty cool.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Ad]

Because I'm with it. Why not protect yourself?

[Zach]

Protect. It's right. Yeah.

[Ad]

Also protecting you.

[Zach]

Yeah. Good thing. Totally.

[Ad]

Okay, let's move on to Bri and Connor. Two days before their wedding, they talked about their relationship, and Bri decides she does not want to go through with the wedding. Did that surprise y' all at all?

[Zach]

It didn't necessarily surprise me, to be honest. I think they're a really good match. It just felt like there was still some things maybe to work through to. To get to the point where they were like, all right, we're ready to, like, actually walk down the aisle.

[Ad]

Yeah.

[Bliss]

I think it's. I think it's smart if you're not really.

[Zach]

I think it's mature.

[Bliss]

You shouldn't. You shouldn't get married.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Bliss]

Like, don't do it. And. Yeah, I know that. It's. It's kind of. People have their own philosophies on what to do and with whether to actually go through on the wedding or not. But if you both know before you get there, like, hey, we're not ready. I'm not ready for this.

[Ad]

She says to Connor that she isn't sure if he's the love of her life or just a lesson learned. What did y' all think about her telling him that?

[Zach]

Yeah. I thought that was, like, whoa.

[Ad]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Wow. All right. Well, she's. You know, something I really appreciated about her was her, like, honesty, and she's very upfront.

[Ad]

She's very honest.

[Zach]

She's thinking, and it's. This time, it's such a chaotic whirlwind. Like, it truly is just weeks before you get married, and you can get confused and make mistakes and not know what your feelings are. So I think it was smart that she listened to it. It was probably really hard for him to hear that. Like, oh, my God, I listen to the Lord.

[Ad]

I know.

[Bliss]

Connor's so late back.

[Ad]

Yeah.

[Bliss]

He's so chill, though. Like, he, He.

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His house is chill, the kegs. He's a chill guy.

[Bliss]

He's in every man's man. He's just like, hey, what's up, guys? How's it going?

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Do we think there's a future for those two?

[Zach]

I hope so. I think that they balance each other really well. I think there was one that they're one of those couples where you could be like, okay. Like, they really balance each other. They're very different in ways. And now I think, think, I hope so. Yeah. Yeah.

[Ad]

So wedding day fit Emma and Mike. First of all. What do you guys think about them as a couple?

[Zach]

I liked them as a couple. I really thought that the conversations they had were so emotionally mature, and that was really refreshing to see.

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Did y' all think they were gonna get married?

[Zach]

I, I, I didn't think they were gonna get married. No. No. I thought. I mean, the kid thing, that's such a big thing. Yeah.

[Ad]

Were you surprised that she said yes? Yeah.

[Zach]

Because she was the one who was kind of like, no. Like, I don't. I don't know if I want to have kids. And she knew how important that was to him. So, yeah, I was. I was surprised for sure.

[Bliss]

I felt like the connection was really strong in the pods, and from what I saw with the chemistry between the two of them, I don't think I was surprised.

[Ad]

Yeah. Do you guys think if Emma had said at the altar that she wanted to have kids with Mike that he would have said yes to?

[Zach]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I think that was, like, the main. I mean, obviously, we didn't see everything. All of their discussions.

[Bliss]

Keep going, keep going.

[Zach]

I was very dramatic, sir.

[Bliss]

Sorry.

[Zach]

It's okay. You are drama. I love it. No, I think that. And I lost my train of thought distraction.

[Ad]

If she had told him that she wanted kids, if he would have said, yeah.

[Zach]

Oh, yeah. I think because I think from Willy's, what we saw, like, that was the main kind of, like, reason why maybe they wouldn't move forward. So I think if she would have said, like, I want kids, and, yes, let's get married. I actually do think, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ad]

I agree.

[Bliss]

That whole thing just was weird. I don't know, I can't. You know, you can't get into people's heads.

[Ad]

Yeah.

[Bliss]

About how that went down.

[Zach]

Yeah. I totally respect that. He held his ground, though, and didn't compromise. Like, he knew that was gonna be a problem for him and he needed to stick to that. And like.

[Ad]

Yeah. I wonder if, like, maybe who was his. Like, maybe number two or number three? Because surely proposing to the one person that is not on the same page as you as far as children, that's like, a deal breaker.

[Zach]

Totally.

[Ad]

And I just, like, was his number two. Did she want kids?

[Zach]

Right. Maybe number three want kids.

[Ad]

Like, how did we.

[Zach]

Why was there.

[Ad]

You knew that in the pod.

[Zach]

That's true.

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That's why I'm so confused about that.

[Zach]

It's almost like. And to me, I think if you propose in the pod, it's not like, oh, let's see what's going to happen. Like, you need to mean that.

[Ad]

Right.

[Zach]

Like, it's not like, oh, well, let's just explore it.

[Ad]

Right.

[Zach]

No, it's like this is heading to the. Yes at the altar and knowing that, like, a part of you almost thinks, like, he was willing to accept that maybe they wouldn't have kids or that

[Ad]

he was so magnetic that he could change her.

[Zach]

Exactly.

[Ad]

And, like, make, you know, make this happen. And she's like. She seemed pretty firm.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Ad]

Even in the pod. So. Yeah, I don't know.

[Bliss]

I really wanted her to find her person. I was really hoping she would find her person. I think there is something that happened that we didn't get to see. I. There. There's clearly something. There was a conversation. There was something that happened that we didn't see because it. It doesn't. Yeah, there. It doesn't add up. That's.

[Ad]

That's all I'll say. Do you guys think that they might have continued their relationship after the show?

[Zach]

That one's a hard one to say. I think when you. When one person says yes and one person doesn't like that, that's a hard thing to. To move past. But I don't know. I think you also, when you develop a connection in the pods, it's so strong. And I mean, look at our story. It's hard to say. Yeah.

[Ad]

Okay, let's move to Jordan and Amber and their wedding day. Jordan seemed really nervous leading up to the altar, and even his family seemed concerned. Do we think it was just normal wedding day nerves or was he starting

[Zach]

to second guess things? It's hard to say either way, but I think it's getting even. Married. I think when you've been dating for two years can probably be really nerve wracking.

[Ad]

Yes. Let alone.

[Bliss]

Yeah.

[Zach]

This situation. I think it's totally normal to be super nervous. I do think though, that you do need to have some peace going into it. And it should be when you're up there with that person, like a sense of, of calm. Like, you know, maybe he wasn't sure what she was going to do either because there's also that side of it. So I think the nerves make sense. I mean, he was going to be essentially becoming a stepdad and like all of these things in that situation.

[Bliss]

So taking on and becoming a father is a process. Like, it's, it's a lot to get married to someone that, that you've, you've just recently met, but it's another to become a father.

[Ad]

Yeah.

[Bliss]

And that process is like, you can't do. Love is blind fatherhood.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Bliss]

Yeah. You can't accelerate that process. Do with the connection.

[Ad]

Right. They don't add an extra year for you to become.

[Zach]

Yeah. Stepdad. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. It was, I think it was a bigger decision for him than anyone else really, on that day. Because obviously Amber had her, that was her kid and like, you know, is. It was. But the marriage for him, it was like marriage and a child, like, that's the biggest decision.

[Bliss]

Yeah. And it's the, the whole thing that's hard about like a public relationship. Like this is like your kid's getting pulled into it and whether you want it or not. And the older the kid is, I think the more difficult that becomes for the, for the child. It's hard. I, I, you know, it's, it's a hard thing. And so to be under a ton of stress makes a ton of, you know, very. You're making a very big decision.

[Zach]

I think if you're. Yeah. You're not stressed at all. Yeah. There's been something weird going on.

[Ad]

Reevaluate for sure. You kind of just touched on it. But when we see Amber's daughter Emma at the wedding, which is a love is blind first. What did you guys think about her being there?

[Zach]

I thought it was important, like, of my, you know, if I was that situation, I would want my child because that's like, that's her real wedding. Literally, like, this is it. And to not have your child there would be really hard. So I think, I think that that made sense for them and I like that she was there.

[Ad]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Yeah. We're very protective of our daughter, obviously, and it's. But Maybe I would request that she was there but not shown or something. But I think it's beautiful that she was there.

[Ad]

So in the end, Amber and Jordan, they both said yes and they got married. Were you guys surprised?

[Zach]

I wasn't actually surprised. I kind of thought that from the beginning that they were going to be one of the ones that lasted. They just felt so authentic and real and so fun. Yeah.

[Ad]

Just fun.

[Zach]

And it made sense. I was just really happy.

[Bliss]

I'm very happy that they got married.

[Ad]

Okay, let's swing back to Brittany and Devonte for a second. We learned that Devante calls off the wedding. Were you guys surprised by that?

[Zach]

I wasn't surprised. I thought it was the right thing to do. I think he kind of. There was maybe a little bit of leading her on and kind of like. And again, this is a very complicated situation, but it's. It was good that he didn't, like, wait till the wedding and say no to her.

[Ad]

Right.

[Zach]

That would have been worse because it's clear that he knew for a while

[Ad]

that this wasn't for him.

[Zach]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I wish, you know, maybe it would have been nice if he did it earlier, like, before they met their families, as you involve so many people into this process. But at least it wouldn't wait till a wedding.

[Bliss]

Yeah. We've seen this happen a million times at this point where, you know, there's someone and they're. They're dragging their feet.

[Ad]

Yeah.

[Bliss]

And you don't know what the reason.

[Ad]

Yeah.

[Bliss]

Early is better.

[Ad]

Yeah.

[Bliss]

You know, end it quick.

[Zach]

Like, I remember even telling Zach in the pods, I'm like, at any point, if either of us know that we aren't. We don't want to be with each other. Like, we just say it, like, don't waste this other person's time. It's not fair.

[Bliss]

And I think, you know, for me, I hadn't done that.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Bliss]

Wouldn't be here. I had dragged my feet, like.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Bliss]

And it's. And I will just say it's hard. You go through so much and all of us know, like, you go through so much, and you really want the process to work because you came there if you. If you're there. Right. You came there to find your person and then to just accept. I didn't right to be. Like, I went through all this and I didn't find my person.

[Zach]

Breaking up is hard. Breaking up with someone is hard.

[Ad]

But it's the adult, mature thing to do.

[Zach]

Yes.

[Bliss]

But I can. I can understand for the men who. Or women who really struggle to make that decision. It's a. It's a very hard way. It's not. Let's not pretend, like, it's an easy one to, like, go through the pause, go through everything you went to change your entire life and then to just

[Ad]

accept and to do it on national TV with a bunch of cameras in your face like that. It's so.

[Bliss]

Yeah, it's the right thing to do. Yeah, it's very hard. And I remember being in that exact same boat and just being like, you know what? It's sunken cost fallacy you. It didn't work.

[Ad]

Yeah.

[Bliss]

End it.

[Ad]

Let's move on. Yeah. Yeah. So devonte brings up being thrown off that she pre brought her wedding dress. Do you guys think his concerns were valid?

[Zach]

No, I don't. I think that was totally independent of him. Yeah. And independent of she. There was no guarantee she was going to meet someone. I think she bought it. I can't speak for her, but I would think she bought it because that felt right for her. It wasn't about him or any other man. It was like, one day I hope to get married, and this dress is what I want to wear. And I think he took that way, too. I don't know if he was looking for excuses or reasons to try to validate his. How he was feeling about the relationship, but no, I don't think. I think it's definitely not something that everyone does. Like, I definitely think it's a little bit different than how other people do things. But a mature person wouldn't freak out about that.

[Bliss]

There should be absolutely no response to being ready to get married on a

[Ad]

show about getting married.

[Bliss]

And I talked with Bliss about this when we saw that, and it was a miracle that Bliss found her perfect dress. There was just one.

[Zach]

There's not. A lot of times, you know, girl, it's like, here are your options. You're like, and I don't know how to look around.

[Ad]

They're like, yeah, here are your options.

[Zach]

I literally none of them fit me. Yeah. And I One came in a box that they had ordered for me literally while we were filming, and they pulled it out, and thankfully, that was the perfect.

[Ad]

I pulled a girl to the side and I said, please, please, can you just shop around for anything? And she pulled out this dress. And I was like, that'll do.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Ad]

Like, I couldn't even. Not my favorite, not my perfect. Right.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Ad]

So that makes sense for Britney to be like, totally. This is my one and only wedding. I want to feel my absolute best Totally.

[Zach]

Yeah, totally. There's not a lot of months to go shopping, process. Like, I think it's probably smarter for actually, the other. More people should do that.

[Ad]

Yeah, yeah. Just have it tucked away.

[Zach]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ad]

Do you think that they will stay together after the show or break up?

[Bliss]

0 chance they're staying together. 0.

[Zach]

I think that Brittany probably has hope for it. Yeah. And it's a beautiful thing to have. Have hope. But I think. I hope that he doesn't let it drag on, because I think as an objective viewer, you can see that he just doesn't want to be from, like,

[Ad]

very early, like, vacation. Mexico.

[Zach]

Yeah. I'm actually surprised because usually there's a breakup in Mexico. Right. Or on the trip, and I was surprised that I thought it was going to be them, and I was surprised.

[Ad]

Dragging his feet. Okay, let's talk Ashley and Alex's wedding day. What were your predictions going into that one?

[Zach]

I thought that he was gonna say no. Yeah. I didn't. I did not think that was gonna end in a marriage.

[Ad]

No, no.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Bliss]

I said that before.

[Ad]

Before.

[Zach]

Zach is always so good at reading people. Like, oh, he's like, no, that person. I said it before they did it at each other.

[Bliss]

I was like, it's not gonna happen.

[Ad]

Yeah, I felt that, too. I felt that in Mexico, too.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Ad]

Especially, like, they both. Both couples, like Brittany and Devonte and Alex and Ashley. I was like, they're a mix. Yeah.

[Zach]

Yep.

[Ad]

They should. I just. Yeah. But, yeah, even I thought I was surprised that they made it out of.

[Zach]

Yeah. Because that's when he starts to talk about the physical a lot more and, like, how Britney is. And she's beautiful, but that. It just was, like, very weird situation. And, yeah, lots of red flags. So.

[Ad]

Even at the wedding, Alex was still using soccer analogies to explain his feelings. Did you notice he did this throughout the show, comparing the explanation experiment and his relationship to a game or strategy.

[Zach]

Yeah. I think when you have a deep obsession with something, that's how you pro. Maybe that's how he processes his emotions, like, even internally, that might be how he helps himself understand what he's feeling. It was odd and different, but, yeah, it was kind of funny.

[Bliss]

As someone who perpetually uses analogies that are overly complicated, I. Yeah, I wouldn't read too much into that for him. I think soccer is his life, and so that's how he sees the world. I often, you know, I've spent a large percentage of my life training martial arts, Brazilian jiu jitsu, and I don't use a Lot of. I still use Jiu Jitsu analogies. Like, if I'm trying to explain something, I'll often go to Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and I'll be like, wow, this is just like Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, let me tell you. But games are a way of thinking, whether you're talking about Jiu Jitsu. Everything can be broken down into systems and understanding. Not everything. I mean, we live in a probabilistic universe. But most things can be broken down into systems that can be understood. And so I think that someone who spent their whole life trying to understand a system of soccer specifically, that's going to be how they're going to understand the world and interpret things. So I wouldn't say it's a pro or a con. I think it's just a natural thing for people.

[Zach]

Yeah, it's just a. It's just different.

[Ad]

Just like trying to make it make sense.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Ad]

And that makes sense to him and how he can relate it to what's happening. Before Alex could even say I do or I don't, Ashley cuts him off and she says she already knew his answer and then delivered that speech. She called him out for being a liar and questioned his integrity. What did you guys think about that moment?

[Zach]

I think, like, for me personally, I. I think handling it in that way, like it's better to maybe do it before the wedding or like a one on one conversation. But that's what she felt she needed to do. I think that she had a lot of valid points. And again, it's an intense situation and good for her for not let it. I mean, you know, she's like, I'm going to take away your power of saying no to me and I'm going to say no. And like, this is how I feel.

[Bliss]

So I'll say something that I saw in this season and this has a little bit less to do with her and just more like even in the pods is there seems to be this. There is like a deep fear of rejection. And we talk about vulnerability, but part of being vulnerable is allowing yourself to be rejected. And it's a good thing. It is really. Like, I think about this just, you know, like a lot of times people determine their value based on who rejects them. Right. But just because someone would prefer McDonald's over, you know, having a filet mignon does not mean that the McDonald's cheeseburger is more valuable than the filet. Yeah, right. It's like we all have preferences. We. We have preferences. And that doesn't make it worse. Or better. But I think a lot of people, they base their value on who accepts them and who rejects them. And I think you should embrace like people. You're not everybody's cup of tea.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Bliss]

Just like I'm not everybody's cup of tea.

[Zach]

Right.

[Bliss]

But I'm glistening cup of tea and that's all that matters. And so when I, when I saw, you know, there was a love triangle, and I don't know if we're going to talk about that with Kevin, I was kind of disappointed in how that ended because I thought there really could have been something there. And I think most of, most of the people who've ended up in love triangles know it's really, really hard to, to make that decision.

[Zach]

You have to take your pride out of it. And that is not.

[Ad]

And you're, you're like against time.

[Zach]

Yes.

[Ad]

Not. There's never enough time.

[Zach]

There's never enough time. Never enough. And it's like if I had let pride get in my way, like, I wouldn't be here either. It's, and it's, it was not an easy thing for me to do. And in my 20s, I honestly don't know. Just if I could say that I would let my pride take over, I probably would have. So it's, it's a hard thing.

[Bliss]

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It's navy.

[Zach]

Hey girl.

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What's happen.

[Zach]

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[Bliss]

I think we all, we all handle rejection differently and I think we all handle the way when people hurt us differently. I think she should be proud of standing by what she believes and saying it. You know, in that situation, I think that took a lot of courage to do that. And you know, I think a lot of people who've been through this process has, who've been in a relationship where they've been Kind of treated poorly, have. Have handled it differently. I'm really glad. Like, in. In our situation, I tried to handle it with as much grace as possible, but it was very, very difficult. Like, there was so much that I wanted to say, like, that I didn't say. And I'm so glad now, for me, looking back, that I didn't say those things that I. Because I have, as. As a rule of thumb, have found typically that really angry thing that I want to say is almost always the wrong thing.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Bliss]

And I'm never happy after the fact that you said it, but it still took a lot of courage for her to. To stand up for what she believed and say it.

[Zach]

So stand up for herself. So good for her, honestly.

[Ad]

Yeah, I agree.

[Zach]

Okay.

[Ad]

And last but definitely not least, we have to talk about Vic and Christine's wedding day. What'd you guys think, watching it?

[Bliss]

Yeah. I am so happy that. That they both found their person. Like, they are going to make it. They are. I really believe they said. I do. I think it's. I think they're going to.

[Ad]

Fingers crossed for them.

[Zach]

Yeah. I think if they said no, everyone would have just given up. Yeah.

[Ad]

The showing everything. Wrap it up.

[Zach]

Yeah. No, I think you could tell from early on just, like, the respect that they had for each other. And it really is like, this is what this show is about. Like that, like, okay, like, here it is, like, especially after last season, like, this is what we were looking for that we needed. It just is so beautiful. And it's magic. Like in those pods for some people, like, very, you know, the really super, super lucky ones, that's kind of just what it is. And not everyone's going to have it, but it's worth the risk. And there's true, like, magic that happens. Happens in the pods. Like, absolute magic. And you could feel it through the screen.

[Ad]

Yeah.

[Zach]

You could just literally feel it. So, so happy for them. They're together forever.

[Bliss]

Their connection just seems so deep. They're. They seem to be on the same page about everything. And Vic just seems to be like a good man.

[Ad]

So chill.

[Bliss]

It just emanates from him. You just. You just see the peace.

[Zach]

There's no front. There's no posturing. It's just the humbleness and, like, the humility and the being open. And I was beautiful. And she's a beautiful person, too. It's so.

[Ad]

It's so sweet.

[Bliss]

I have a question. I don't know.

[Ad]

Oh, yeah.

[Bliss]

Were they almost not followed?

[Ad]

You know, by the looks of things? It looks like that.

[Zach]

But they went to a different vacation.

[Ad]

They went to Malibu. They had the selfie phone the whole time. They didn't have a camera crew, so

[Zach]

it's probably kind of nice in some ways. They got to just be together. Yeah.

[Bliss]

I wondered in my head if the reason they didn't get sent was because it's like, oh, there's not going to be any drama with them. You know, like, that's why they went to Melbourne, or if it was really that they were. Because we know, like, sometimes couples get engaged and they don't get followed. And typically the reason is because they're thought to be the least likely to get married. Oh, that is the reason. Right. Like, I. I know that they're thinking, this is the most likely. These are the least likely. We're going to follow the couples that are the most likely to get married. But I can't imagine a world where you didn't think that those two. But I don't know. You know, I didn't. I wasn't there. But I'm wondering, was that the reason, like, we were. I was just thinking about that on the call right here. I was asking Bliss about it. I was like, did they really?

[Zach]

Because it seems so obvious to us.

[Ad]

Yeah.

[Zach]

But, like, I don't know.

[Bliss]

Yeah. Yeah. Like, what was the. What was.

[Ad]

Maybe they'll get a spin off.

[Zach]

Yeah, I think that would be cute.

[Ad]

I would watch it at the end of the day. We got two married couples this season. What are your final thoughts on how everything played out?

[Zach]

I loved it. I thought it was such a good season. I'm so happy that there's the two couples. We need more marries. I really just am pleased with it. I think it was such a beautiful and well done season.

[Bliss]

I love the conversations that we got to see. I felt like even in the couples that didn't end up going to the altar and saying, I do, I felt like there was a lot of honest conversations about their feelings, and that's just hard to do in general.

[Ad]

Yeah.

[Bliss]

To be open about, hey, this makes me feel this way. And we saw that with. With most of the couples just having real.

[Zach]

There were some really immature emotionally people, but there were others that were, like. Most of them were very emotionally mature, I would say, as a cast. And it's beautiful to see, like, working people working through those things and being. Being honest with themselves. So I thought. I really thought this season had a little bit of everything for everyone. If you like the drama, this one's for you. If you like the love, this is for you.

[Ad]

It's, you know, the season we needed.

[Zach]

The season we needed because last season

[Ad]

gave us absolutely nothing.

[Zach]

Last season was like, oh my goodness. Yikes. We gotta have a comeback.

[Ad]

Yeah. Redemption. This is the redemption.

[Zach]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ad]

Okay, let's, let's switch gears. Oh, that was highlight my pregnancy. Like you guys, let's switch gears a little bit and play a game. This game is called Ick or stick and this segment is sponsored by K18. K18 makes the impossible possible. When they realized that real lasting biomimetic hair repair didn't exist, they invented it. Patented K18 peptide discovered through 10 plus years of research reverses hair damage from bleach color, chemical services and heat at a molecular level that's really, really deep. And since K18 knows that less is more for your hair and the planet, their biotech powered products are highly concentrated, intentional and work for all hair types. Get soft, strong, bouncy hair in just four minutes with K18. Okay, so here's how you play the game. I'm going to throw out different personality traits and you have to tell me whether you think it would win you over on Love is Blind and make you stick or make you think twice about saying yes at the altar. And that's an it. Okay. All right.

[Bliss]

Not a great game for me. Really?

[Ad]

Why?

[Zach]

I love it.

[Ad]

Okay, let's, let's, let's try the first question and see. Okay. Ick or stick? They say I love you within the first 48 hours.

[Zach]

Ooh, that one's hard because like it depends on the person, you know?

[Ad]

Yeah, it's like me, I'm sorry immediately for you. Yeah. What are we talking about to say

[Zach]

I love in a normal situation or in the pods? See, that's the question too.

[Ad]

Pods.

[Bliss]

Pods.

[Zach]

I, I, yeah.

[Ad]

Ick.

[Zach]

It would kind of, it would kind of be scary.

[Bliss]

But like think about the timeline. You're right.

[Zach]

Like, but the first two days, there's not like the long day. So.

[Ad]

Yeah, hit me on date.

[Zach]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's, that is actually so. Yeah, it's an. You only have the seven minute and then the 15 minute.

[Ad]

Yeah, yeah.

[Bliss]

It would depend on what the conversation is. It's interesting.

[Zach]

It's a sticker ick, baby. It's just, he's like I can't, I can't do, it's too nuanced.

[Bliss]

Yeah, I agree. I just also think in the pods, like what was it like day six that I told you I love you?

[Zach]

Yeah, but that's so different. There's so much more hours by then

[Ad]

You've probably had your fifth four hour day.

[Zach]

Totally.

[Ad]

Yeah. I could see how this could be not your favorite game.

[Zach]

He doesn't like two offices. I need five others.

[Ad]

Okay, let's see. Ick or stick? They pre bought their wedding dress or tuxedo.

[Zach]

I think that's. I think that's a stick. I don't think that would your marriage minded.

[Ad]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Ad]

Ick or stick. They don't believe in therapy.

[Zach]

Ick.

[Ad]

Huge.

[Zach]

Ick.

[Ad]

Big. Ick.

[Zach]

Big. Because that means almost like you don't believe in self reflection or that you

[Ad]

can have outside help.

[Zach]

Yes. That someone can help you. There's value in exploring. It's.

[Bliss]

It's not Nick for me. I think that. No, I. I think that people have different ways of dealing with things. I think therapy can be very, very beneficial for a lot of people. But I also think just having conversations with your friends is therapy. Right. Just like there's.

[Zach]

Yeah, but they said they don't believe.

[Ad]

Yeah, they don't believe.

[Zach]

Not that they don't want to go to it. They don't like believe in the value of it.

[Bliss]

From looking at therapy as a business, I think there's reasons to be skeptical of the industry. And so like I. I think that therapy is great. I think that there are great therapists. I also think there's a lot of money to be made in making people's problems.

[Ad]

Yeah.

[Bliss]

Bigger and bigger and bigger.

[Ad]

I agree with that.

[Zach]

And so there is a benefit to.

[Bliss]

If you have a good therapist.

[Zach]

Yes.

[Bliss]

If you have a good therapist and you have someone who's genuinely there to make sure. Help. Help you get through issues. But I think there's also people out there who. They're there to make money.

[Zach]

Yeah. And it depends is going to be Zach's answer for all of these.

[Ad]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Zach]

Okay.

[Ad]

Let's.

[Zach]

She's like, oh, no, you put the

[Ad]

therapy out of business. Therapist out of business. Let's move on. Ick or stick. Their mom is their best friend.

[Zach]

I think that's a stick.

[Ad]

Stick. I love my mom too.

[Zach]

Absolutely.

[Ad]

Bestie. Ick or stick? They're still close with their ex.

[Zach]

I think that's an ick.

[Ad]

Yeah. Because close. Yeah.

[Zach]

Close is.

[Ad]

No, it's the. It was close that got me. Close is icker stick close.

[Bliss]

I agree.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Ad]

Shouldn't be close. Okay. Ick or stick. They write you love songs.

[Zach]

That's a stick. That's good.

[Ad]

I would hope so because I'd be out of here.

[Zach]

I love music. Yeah, it's a stick.

[Bliss]

I did write her love song. I don't know if you knew that.

[Ad]

I'm aware. Ick or stick. They have to post everything on social media.

[Zach]

Ick.

[Ad]

Big ick.

[Zach]

Ick.

[Ad]

Yeah, everything.

[Zach]

That's the key word there.

[Ad]

D. Okay. Ick or stick. They're messy and disorganized.

[Zach]

Zach and I want to be married. If I. I don't think it's a stick. I don't. I'm kind of like, okay, I can deal with it. It depends, obviously, on, like, what level. Yeah. Yeah.

[Bliss]

I. I think it's a mix, too. I don't know either. Indifference.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Ad]

I, too, would be divorced if that was a. And it would be my fault. My clothes, my makeup.

[Zach]

Yep. There's gotta be flexibility. Yeah.

[Ad]

It's not a stick. It's not your favorite, but it's like.

[Zach]

Yeah, we do our best. Okay.

[Ad]

Icker. Stick. They want you to work out and do Pilates every day.

[Zach]

Ick.

[Bliss]

I wouldn't be opposed to it.

[Zach]

They. I mean, I think it has to be your own choice. Like, it has to be something that you. If they're encouraging you to be healthy, that's one thing. If they're like, you have to do this or else I'm not going to be with you. That is a huge. Yeah.

[Ad]

If.

[Bliss]

Okay. I mean, I don't know.

[Zach]

We're kind of careful this one, baby.

[Bliss]

Well, no, we're just adding extra things into the conversation. Right. Like, it was just like, if you wanted me, I wouldn't be grossed out. If you wanted me to exercise with you every day.

[Zach]

Sure. I think that's totally normal. To encourage.

[Bliss]

Encourage each other to be helpful, perhaps. What you're. You're.

[Zach]

I think that that's what the question

[Bliss]

was with the person from the show. The way it was conveyed is, like, if someone expects that, like, there's a judgment that's happening. Right. And that's an ick. Like, if you're like, oh, you're not this type of person. That's it.

[Zach]

Yeah, Right. Yeah, definitely. Okay.

[Ad]

So ick still for me.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Ad]

Ick or stick. They leave their hair in the shower drain.

[Zach]

I mean, I do that all the time. Sorry, honey.

[Ad]

Yeah.

[Bliss]

Takes 10 seconds.

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[Bliss]

To find love, it requires vulnerability. But also I think that there's so many superficial things about people that we make stories about, and those stories are often really wrong. And taking maybe more of a scientific approach to the way that you interact with people. People test your hypothesis. Right. Don't just assume because you created a story in your head about this one thing. Like we were talking about there being hair, you know, in the drain, or someone being cluttered and then creating a story like, I can never be with a person who's cluttered, or I can never be with someone who leaves hair in the drain. Those stories are often wrong and those stories are often what get in the way of you actually finding love. And I think there's so many people out there that are desperately searching for love, but the stories they tell themselves about people are what are getting in the way.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Bliss]

And I think I learned that from Love is Blind.

[Ad]

I really like that.

[Zach]

I think for me, it's that truly what it allows you to really go through the process of understanding what really matters.

[Ad]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Like you, if you do fall in love in the pods, if you do have feelings for someone, you literally are developing it for literally who they are. And ultimately, I think it's taught me to let go of like, oh, a type. Or like, this is my physical type. Like, it literally can, if you allow, if you let it can allow you to go beyond that and really maybe find someone who isn't your physical type. And that's okay. I think also if you go through the experience and you don't find love at the end of it, it's still an opportunity for you to learn so much about yourself. I came out of that experience a different human. And I think if you take it seriously, you will come out a more improved, more aware, more vulnerable, honest person. So it's a beautiful either way, no matter which way your story goes, like, you can have that opportunity and it's beautiful. And really, truly what matters, as cliche as it is, is what is on the inside. For sure. For sure.

[Ad]

Oh, my gosh, you guys are such a beautiful couple. And like I said, this Is a long overdue. But I'm so grateful you guys came. Came to. What's the reality? And your family is growing, and everything is just so beautiful between you guys. And just sitting here on the side and watching the chemistry, it's like what we saw on TV is real in person. And he adores you. Bless. Like, adores you. And we can see it. And Zach, she loves you so much. And Galileo.

[Zach]

So lucky.

[Ad]

And your new. Your new baby is so lucky to have you guys as parents.

[Zach]

Thank you so much. And it's beautiful to, like, connect with you now on motherhood.

[Ad]

Good.

[Zach]

And we're happy for you. And thank you for having me.

[Bliss]

I feel like it happened when it

[Zach]

was supposed to happen.

[Ad]

Oh, 100%.

[Zach]

Oh, she's such a sweetie. We're so happy for you and Ollie.

[Ad]

Glad you guys got to meet her.

[Bliss]

We got to meet Ollie at some point.

[Ad]

Yes, I know. I'm gonna FaceTime him before y'.

[Bliss]

All.

[Zach]

Yeah, we would love to say hi.

[Ad]

He loves Zach so much. He's your biggest fan.

[Zach]

I swear.

[Bliss]

He loves. Sweet. Well, we. We're gonna make a trip to London eventually, and I. Because I really want to meet the whole Love is Blind season one from.

[Ad]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bliss]

Uk because we built some relationships with a lot of the cast over there.

[Zach]

Yeah, they're fun. It was a great cast.

[Bliss]

Such a great season.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Well, if you guys go to London, we're coming to.

[Zach]

Oh, yeah.

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We're making a whole thing.

[Zach]

Yeah, we'll make it a whole thing.

[Ad]

But until then, thanks again. You guys are always welcome here on the podcast. Always, always. And good luck with everything. You're glowing. Bliss, and thank you so much. And also bliss with the braids.

[Zach]

I know, right? I'm coming back in here, and it's human. And my hair would love bliss with the braids. I think it's my signature look. I gotta go back.

[Ad]

So good. Thank you. So good.

[Bliss]

Yeah, I. I wish that we would have just gotten the braids again. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Zach]

Listen, this is why I love the braids.

[Bliss]

This is more about her because he knows.

[Zach]

It's like, I got a lot of hair, girl.

[Ad]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Zach]

It's just amazing.

[Ad]

Get up and go.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Ad]

Oh, my God. My daughter's already ripping my strands out. Yes. She's got a crazy.

[Zach]

They do. They have this crazy baby string. You're like. You're tiny.

[Ad]

Yeah.

[Zach]

You can't even hold your head up.

[Ad]

I know what's happening. I know, I know.

[Bliss]

Yeah.

[Ad]

All right, you guys. Well, thanks again. Thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of what's the Reality? Be sure to follow us on all social platforms at what's the Reality? Pod and I will see you you soon. Bye, guys. What's the reality? What's the reality?

[Zach]

Hey, girl.

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[Zach]

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