Perfect Match Is BACK & It’s MESSY: Sandy & AD Share Their Season 4 Hot Takes

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Perfect Match Is BACK & It’s MESSY: Sandy & AD Share Their Season 4 Hot Takes"

Podcast: What's the Reality?
Host: Amber Desiree (AD)
Guest/Co-host: Sandy
Date: May 14, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Amber Desiree (AD)—well-known from Love is Blind and Perfect Match—teams up with regular guest Sandy (from Perfect Match and Ultimatum Season 3) to dish out their "hot takes" on the first five episodes of the messy and drama-filled season 4 of Perfect Match. The duo dive into cast impressions, couple dynamics, production changes, behind-the-scenes realities, and offer unfiltered commentary on the drama and strategies unfolding this season. Expect unfiltered, hilarious, and honest conversation, plus insight from two women who know the world of reality dating firsthand.

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Catching Up: Life Updates & Motherhood

Timestamps: 03:00–06:50

• AD and Sandy catch up after Mother's Day—AD’s first as a mom. Sandy compliments AD:
  • "You're such a good mom...like, she is your world, and you're just—I'm so excited." (Sandy, 04:05)
• Updates on Sandy’s globe-trotting (Coachella, Mexico, Hawaii, Europe) and new project in the beauty space.
• Lighthearted bonding over motherhood, travel fatigue, and balancing social media careers.

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Perfect Match Season 4: First Impressions

Timestamps: 07:01–08:59

• Both are amazed that a new season is out so quickly after their own stints.
• Sandy knows only one person in the cast (Catherine), describing her as a "gem" (07:29).
• The cast dynamic is called “kind of random” (Sandy, 07:48).
• Discussion of the influx of “influencer” contestants, especially “Jimmy”:
  • "Who is this guy? Like, he is... he's a character." (Sandy, 07:55)
• More calculated guys this season; previous seasons' guys described as "a mess" or “airheaded” (08:14, 08:29).

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Reality Show Crossover & Game Evolution

Timestamps: 09:04–12:42

• Reality show backgrounds discussed: Temptation Island, Love is Blind, Ultimatum.
• Noting Temptation Island's apparent success at providing "good tempters"—wilder, more proactive contestants.
• AD and Sandy like that singles are introduced earlier:
  • "It was such a big deal when they, like, brought the first two singles in, because it was, like, four days at that point. Four days is like four weeks in there." (Sandy, 11:21)
• Contrast to previous seasons: earlier singles mean less “locked in” relationships and more fluidity.
• Acknowledgment that with so many cast members, it's hard to track everyone:
  • "I still feel like I don't know half the people's names..." (Sandy, 12:49)

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The Behind-the-Scenes Realities

Timestamps: 13:22–16:11

• Villa envy: This season, mansion in Mexico is praised, though both recall the discomforts of filming (“sweating, fighting for air conditioning, always living out of a suitcase”) (13:30–14:15).
• Misconceptions about on-set glamour:
  • "People think that being on TV is really glamorous... We were doing our freaking makeup in the woods." (Sandy, 14:52)
• The grind of constantly packing for possible eliminations and impromptu dates (14:28–15:33).
• AD: “Day five or six, you're like, f*** this makeup. Now you're just wearing mascara and a wish and a hope and a prayer.” (15:33)

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Cast & Couple Hot Takes

First Impressions:

Timestamps: 16:15–21:00

• Ali:
  • “She’s like, really silly…she’s an astrologist, which I’m like, okay…can you do my chart, please?” (Sandy, 16:18)
• Allison:
  • “She seems like someone I’d be friends with…she’s confident, low key, a little feisty.” (16:55)
• Jimmy (Love Is Blind):
  • “He’s funny…a little reserved…maybe traumatized from TV?” (Sandy, 18:20)
• Marissa: Major glow-up since Love is Blind, now showing “confidence, strength, sexy energy” (19:44).
• Damari (Too Hot to Handle): “Red flag” vibes—leads with his height, gets called out for his “player” persona (20:39–21:06).
• Natalie (Temptation Island): “Gorgeous…confident…but not seeing much personality outside of ‘guy drama’” (21:23–21:42).

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The Singles, Drama, & Strategy

Timestamps: 22:24–26:58

• Mackenzie (Squid Games):
  • “She surprisingly grew on me…she’s not giving desperate energy…she was turning down guys.” (Sandy, 22:15)
• Chris (Age of Attraction):
  • “He leads with the money, don't he? …The love bombing, it's not just the money…really intense vibes.” (23:00)
• Nick (Billion Dollar Secret):
  • “Swag turned into meanness really quick when it comes to dating…a lot of their jokes don’t translate on TV—just stop.” (Sandy, 24:27–25:37)
• Jokes about Nick not being able to leverage his millionaire status for a match, and speculation on how much of the prize money he really keeps after taxes (26:06).

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Social Media, Spoilers, and Relationship Timelines

Timestamps: 28:11–33:39

• AD points out hypocrisy over public couples/spoilers; noting multiple cast members are “out” before the show aired.
• "There’s two people on this show… in open relationships right now!” (AD, 28:43)
• Untangling the complicated post-filming relationships:
  • Org-chart-worthy connections crossing Love Island, Perfect Match, and past relationships (31:00–32:29).
• Both agree: “Have respect for whatever show you’re on. Like, it's not that hard. You guys just wait, like, three weeks.” (Sandy, 33:12)

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Favorite Couples & Redemption Arcs

Timestamps: 33:56–39:18

• Rooting for Jimmy S. & Allison, Jimmy P. & Ali, and Damari & Marissa:
  • “I did not want to like Jimmy Soto… but… he turns out to be the most respectful [to Allison].” (AD, 34:40)
• Sandy: “I actually think [Damari & Marissa] are probably the most legit couple…they’re winning all the challenges… but are they compatible in the real world, that’s my thing.” (36:00)
• Noting the speed of “locking in” relationships and age gaps (36:41).
• Sandy reflects: “You locked it in. You already have a baby that's six months old…” (36:41)

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Game Play, Jealousy, and Mixers

Timestamps: 39:35–68:52

• The “love bombing” of Chris resurfaces (39:35).
• Messy relationships, mix-and-match pairings, boardroom drama, and strategic decisions spotlighted.
• Mixers (singles parties) compared for gender differences; season observed flipping expectations with girls “wilder” than the boys:
  • “I think the girls were probably, like, maybe fed up with the guys… let me show you how you guys are.” (Sandy, 66:31)
• Jealousy in couples:
  • “Both couples are, like, kind of intense…they just started off strong, almost have that relationship vibe. Being in that environment, it makes you jealous.” (Sandy, 59:52)
• Culture clash: Love is Blind contestants approach relationships more intensely—“Once you drink that juice, you don’t know how to be normal. You’re just like, we go together.” (AD, 60:27)

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Standout Quotes & Notable Moments

• About the hardships & reality of filming:
  "People think that being on TV is really glamorous... We were doing our freaking makeup in the woods." (Sandy, 14:52)
• On strategy:
  “At some point you should be like, bring out the gift, the Louis Vuitton. By the way, I’m a millionaire. But I guess he wasn’t allowed to say.” (AD, 26:33)
• On the complicated network of relationships:
  "We need an org chart." (Sandy, 31:15)
• On game play:
  “Ali—something about the fact she has all these men in her pocket…if Jimmy doesn’t pick her, there’s someone else.” (AD, 69:37)
• On real-world compatibility:
  “Are [Damari & Marissa] compatible outside of here? I feel like they’re in two different books.” (AD, 72:04)
• On the uniqueness of reality TV love:
  “Imagine if there’s like, Perfect Match babies outside of yours. There’s all the Love Is Blind babies...so many.” (Sandy, 74:10)
• On advice for future contestants:
  “Have respect for whatever show you’re on…just wait, like, three weeks.” (Sandy, 33:12)

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Predictions & Closing Thoughts

Timestamps: 72:54–75:17

• Predictions: Most couples “locked in,” especially Jimmy & Allison, and possibly Damari & Marissa (though AD is skeptical about their long-term prospects).
• Consensus: Perfect Match may see its first real-world, lasting couples after this season.
• Both are rooting for love, but wary of how couples will transition to real life. AD jokes about wanting to be the first “Perfect Match baby” family (74:00).

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Final Words

• AD and Sandy reflect warmly on their friendship forged in reality TV and tease future collaborations and perhaps a Perfect Match reunion episode (75:04–75:17).
• “There’s no one better to talk about this show with...we clicked from the beginning.” (AD, 75:17)
• Episode ends with love and mutual gratitude for their shared Perfect Match journey.

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Listen to this episode for:

• In-depth, hilarious recaps and analysis of Perfect Match S4’s chaos
• Honest, behind-the-scenes truths of reality TV life
• Firsthand cast perspectives, game analysis, and predictions
• Pop culture crossovers and sharp, unfiltered hot takes

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Note:
Timestamps refer to the rough progression of key topics discussed after the intro banter and sponsor messages, skipping all advertisements and non-content sections.

Transcript

[Sandy]

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[Co-host]

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[Sandy]

I'm a regular.

[Co-host]

I know. At this point, she's not just a guest, she is a co host of what's the Reality? We have Sandy here who also did Perfect Match and Ultimatum. What? Season?

[Sandy]

Three.

[Co-host]

Three. So she's well equipped to give a breakdown and a recap on what's going on in this Perfect Match world. I can't wait to get into it.

[Sandy]

Thank you for having me again. I think the fourth time.

[Co-host]

Yeah, literally a fourth time.

[Sandy]

Making myself.

[Co-host]

But before you guys listen any further, we will be talking about episodes one through five of Perfect Match. So if you haven't watched them pause it, go watch it, gather your own opinions, and then come back and listen to what we have to say. All right, let's get into it.

[Sandy]

Let's do it.

[Co-host]

Sandy, welcome back.

[Sandy]

Thank you.

[Co-host]

You look so pretty.

[Sandy]

So do you.

[Co-host]

I missed you.

[Sandy]

You look amazing. I'm obsessed with this blazer look. I'm so glad that we just, like telepathy did the same type of vibe

[Co-host]

because I feel like, what was it? Did we ever get on the same vibe? No.

[Sandy]

I would show up, like, full glam. You were wearing yoga pants. Yeah, I was wearing yoga pants. You're in full glam. I'm like, okay, bitch. Really?

[Co-host]

And then she texted Me the other day, she's like, what is the vibe? And I just never replied.

[Sandy]

It's okay. My type B friend. Sorry. I'm the same way.

[Co-host]

Yeah, I'm sorry.

[Sandy]

I'm literally the worst with my phone and texting. So, like, I fully, fully understand. I'm the type of person, like, just call me or, like, ask me in person. I'm all there. But, like, text messages, no, I just can't.

[Co-host]

And I got a kid, so it's.

[Sandy]

It's Mother's Day weekend. What do we do?

[Co-host]

Your.

[Sandy]

Your excuse.

[Co-host]

Yeah, my first mother.

[Sandy]

How was your first Mother's Day?

[Co-host]

So good.

[Sandy]

I'm so.

[Co-host]

I don't know how. Surprised me with my reformer.

[Sandy]

No, you didn't see it? No, I was, like, offline yesterday.

[Co-host]

You got to look.

[Sandy]

He got you a reformer.

[Co-host]

Yeah, he made my whole. Like, we have. I have a content room in the back and that we're, like, developing. And he literally got a full, like, a body studio for me. In your hobby accessories. Yeah.

[Sandy]

Oh, that's amazing.

[Co-host]

Yes.

[Sandy]

Wow. That's a good guess.

[Co-host]

Brownie points for good job, Ollie.

[Sandy]

Stepping it up.

[Co-host]

Yes. We love to see it, but, yeah, very, very exciting.

[Sandy]

What'd you guys do?

[Co-host]

We hung out at home because, unfortunately, baby girl is a little bit under the weather, so. But I mean, even if she wasn't sick, there's no place I would rather, literally Mother's Day stayed home in pajamas and, like, socks, and she was in her onesie, and we just like her.

[Sandy]

She's.

[Co-host]

I know, I know. And you met her.

[Sandy]

I'm so glad I got to meet her. Yeah. That was so special.

[Co-host]

Like, we went for a little girl's lunch and had coffee, and it was perfect.

[Sandy]

She was just chilling there. Like, seeing you as a mom, it's just the craziest full circle thing. And you're such a good mom. Like, don't do it to me. I know. Sorry. You're, like, so protective, like, she is your world, and you're just. I'm so excited.

[Co-host]

I'm gonna need a tissue. Okay. More about how I'm a perfect mom.

[Sandy]

Okay. Yeah.

[Co-host]

Keep telling me perfect match, how amazing I am. Perfect mom, perfect match. No, she is everything. And she's so lucky to have you as her auntie.

[Sandy]

I know. I love her.

[Co-host]

And when you picked her up, she just snuggled.

[Sandy]

Oh, my God.

[Co-host]

I was like,

[Sandy]

I can't wait to spend more time with her.

[Co-host]

Yeah, you gotta come. Come hang out.

[Sandy]

Yes.

[Co-host]

So what have you been up to? Besides traveling the globe, which you're Traveling the globe.

[Sandy]

Just traveling a little too much. I'm like, can we please, like, just stay put for a little bit? I've just been living my life, traveling, doing my work, and just, like, in my little love bubble. It's been really nice.

[Co-host]

Yeah, I love it, honestly. So let's take it back. You went to Coachella. You went to Mexico, Hawaii. Why?

[Sandy]

We're going to Europe next week. Are you really?

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

Yes. Well, this is actually for a wedding, so there's a real reason behind it. And. But we are going to do, like, obviously a trip. You don't go to Europe and not travel. There's. It's. It's going to be very busy the next couple months. But I will say, like, I've also been, like, in my homebody stage. I feel like as I get older and like, I'm in a serious relationship, all I want to do is, like, be at home and just, like, be with my family and, like, just nest. Even though I don't have it, like.

[Co-host]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sandy]

You know, that's just kind of what I want to do. But my boyfriend Greg, he loves to travel. Like, he can't sit still, so he actually brings that out of me a lot more than maybe I would like. But we love it.

[Co-host]

Yeah. Do you have any special projects coming up? Are you working on anything cool that we can potentially.

[Sandy]

Me and we're talking about building something right now in kind of the beauty space. But I don't want to, like, say too much because it's, like, very early stages, but I'm looking to kind of eventually launch my own product or something. And I've just been working on social media stuff and just enjoying all of that and like, actually, you know, kind of doing that as a career. Yeah. Cool.

[Co-host]

Whatever you're selling, I'm buying.

[Sandy]

I love it.

[Co-host]

So good. You're glowing. Like, literally glowing. So whatever it is, can I get a pr. A PR Box first?

[Sandy]

A hundred percent, obviously. We love to glow.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

That's the best compliment ever.

[Co-host]

So good. You look so good.

[Sandy]

Thank you.

[Co-host]

Okay, should we talk about Perfect Match?

[Sandy]

Yeah, let's do it.

[Co-host]

I can't believe we're on the other side.

[Sandy]

I can't believe it either. And also I can't believe that another season is already out. I'm like, what the hell? Why did it take ours so long to come out? But it's okay. It's. It's really cool and different. Watching it already, like, obviously have gone through it and just kind of reliving some of the memories and Just everything. It's. It's fun.

[Co-host]

What do you think of the cast? Do you know anybody?

[Sandy]

I actually don't really know anyone on the cast, except for Catherine. I love Catherine. She's my girl. She's sweet.

[Co-host]

I met her at your thing. Yeah.

[Sandy]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. She is one of my good friends. She's a gem. I don't think I know anybody else on the cast personally, but I think it's good. It's a different cast. Like, it's kind of random.

[Co-host]

Yeah. The influencer.

[Sandy]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

How did you feel about that?

[Sandy]

You mean the Jimmy?

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

I was like, who is this guy? Like, he is. He's a character.

[Co-host]

To say there is a character.

[Sandy]

I'm. I'm just honestly getting a kick out of all the people, especially the guys, just, like, their commentary. I'm like, are you guys okay? Like, was ours. Was our season. This, like.

[Co-host]

I feel like ours. I feel like the guys on ours were so, like, airheaded.

[Sandy]

Well, I feel like guys are in our. So I think that's just, like, maybe the guys on all of these shows, like, that seems.

[Co-host]

I don't know, it's something about. I don't know. I feel like these guys are more calculated. I feel like our guys were so loose and, like. Like, just a mess. Yeah. No, literally a mess.

[Sandy]

These guys are, like, a little bit more, like.

[Co-host]

Yeah. A little more held together.

[Sandy]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

And I don't know if it's, like, a good thing or a bad thing, because I feel like the women are kind of, like, not attract. Like, not attracted to their. Their, like, personalities. Yeah. I don't know.

[Sandy]

I feel like it's still kind of hard to tell because we're in, like, the. The first couple episodes. I feel like the real colors kind of come out the second half.

[Co-host]

Do you remember how the boys put their claws in us, like, day one? Like, they're not able to do that to these girls, and I love that. I feel like the girls are like, yeah, right.

[Sandy]

I kind of. I really like how people are just, like, kind of playing the waters or, like, making out with other people. Like, I'm like, okay, wow. Like, it's. They're. They're. I feel like they're, like, leaning into the. The experiment more. But, yeah, definitely an interesting group of guys. As always. I'm never impressed with the men.

[Co-host]

Never, ever, ever. Okay, so I came from, like, Love is Blind. You came from Ultimatum. What show, like, in this reality, like, universe, do you think produces the best contestants for a perfect match?

[Sandy]

Well, I don't Know, I think this season is all Temptation Island.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

I never even watched that show, but

[Co-host]

it's, like, a few seasons.

[Sandy]

Yeah, but everybody's from Temptation island, so I guess maybe that one. It's probably, like, a good comparison, like, a little bit with all the tempters. I don't know, but the Tempter, like, they're. They're kind of wild. They really put themselves out there. Love is Blind is interesting in the mix because there's people like you that you're like. You know, they have a really fun side and a flirty side, but they have a serious side. So it's actually fun seeing them in there because they add, like, depth, realness, you know? And I think same with some of the more serious shows. Ultimatum, Love is Blind. But you need, like, the fun people in there.

[Co-host]

Yeah. You need the tempters. Wait, how do you feel about them, like, bringing in the singles so soon?

[Sandy]

I mean, I feel like they had to.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

They're like, okay, we're not gonna. Like, we need to shake this up. We need to make sure that people can connect with the other contestants. And. And I think it was smart, honestly, because you want to see, like, who vibes, but, yeah, it was different from ours.

[Co-host]

Yeah, I think I like that. I think I like the fact that. Because I feel like we were just in our men's faces for, like, what, four or five days before we saw another human. L. So we were locked in.

[Sandy]

In exactly.

[Co-host]

Like, we didn't have a choice.

[Sandy]

They marked their territory, and it was, like, for a couple days, marinated.

[Co-host]

So it was, like, if they were to bring people in sooner, I mean, what.

[Sandy]

I mean, it would have probably shaken it up a little bit. Yeah, you're right. Like, it was such a big deal when they, like, brought the first two singles in, because it was, like, four days at that point. Four days is, like, four weeks in there.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

So you're, like, so acclimated to. To your match, whatever. So they probably should have, like, done that for us, but I like that they're. We can see the other people and just get a feel for.

[Co-host]

It's so funny, though, because, like, we didn't have a singles room. Like, you just kind of came in, you went on your day, you came in, and if they liked you, they liked you. You got to stay. If not, you were out of here. Not. You get to come in, test the water, spin the water, be in everybody's face. Like, have your own bed, Go on a date like that.

[Sandy]

Pick your date.

[Co-host]

Pick your date. They had a lot of power.

[Sandy]

I feel like that actually, I like this better because as we know, like, coming in for what, two hours, like, it's just. It's. It's too hard to actually make connection.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

Especially like, if you're trying to talk to somebody else that you weren't on a date with. It's almost impossible, cuz it's like you're. You're having a 30 second conversation. So. So I almost wish that they did that where it's like people can kind of maybe spend a little bit more time, but I don't know. It's just different this season.

[Co-host]

I like it, but I did say, like, it felt like a lot of moving pieces, though. Like, I felt like I couldn't really get to know anybody.

[Sandy]

I still like, feel like I don't know half the people's name because they

[Co-host]

all like so many like, too. I was like, which brunette is that? Like, what is it? Catherine. Natalie.

[Sandy]

Natalie. Ali.

[Co-host]

Ali. They all kind of like gorgeous girls,

[Sandy]

but I was like, who? Yeah.

[Co-host]

And then that girl.

[Sandy]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

And then there's one more, Kayla. They all say, yeah, beautiful girls. But I can't keep up. Right.

[Sandy]

I don't know the guy's names either. If I'm like stumbling on names. Don't.

[Co-host]

That's okay. Can we talk about their villa? I'm jealous.

[Sandy]

Oh, where did they film this?

[Co-host]

Mexico, I think.

[Sandy]

But it's somewhere different, right?

[Co-host]

Like they have a beach house. Like a beach house.

[Sandy]

I wonder if they have air conditioning.

[Co-host]

No. Did you see those? They had the fans and then they had that white thing that we had, like the white AC unit. Oh, dear. It's like facing everybody's bed. I was like, oh, they're hot.

[Sandy]

Oh, yeah. Mm. Trapping yourself in the bedroom to get the air. Oh, my gosh.

[Co-host]

No. Their villa is so, so nice.

[Sandy]

Yeah. I mean, it. I'm sure ours was nice too.

[Co-host]

I know, but there's this huge.

[Sandy]

Is it?

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

It always looks better on tv.

[Co-host]

Yeah, maybe.

[Sandy]

You know?

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

Once you're in there, you're like fighting for your life. You're sweating. You're just like. You're room hopping.

[Co-host]

The room hopping.

[Sandy]

Oh, my God. The room hopping.

[Co-host]

You never really get too comfortable on Perfect Match.

[Sandy]

No, you can't. Your suitcase is always your suitcase, which is my literal nightmare. Packing is like my. Like, that's my biggest flaw.

[Co-host]

So your suitcases are always packed because every other day is like a mixer where you're either matching or going. Being sent home.

[Sandy]

You got eliminated.

[Co-host]

Yeah. So we had to keep our bags packed. And then like every morning somebody would come in and be like, hey, can we get your bags? And then they would take all of our bags.

[Sandy]

I mean, mind you, we have like four suitcases. Oh, my God.

[Co-host]

Don't know what we're gonna wear. Don't. Hair and makeup not done.

[Sandy]

People think that being on TV is really glamorous. People are like, did you have makeup artists? I'm like, makeup artist. We were doing our freaking makeup in the woods.

[Co-host]

Literally.

[Sandy]

Like, literally in the van in the woods. Like, I'm like, there's nothing glamorous about it. Like, I was like, joking. I'm like, this is like Survivor, like meets, like the red carpet. I don't know. We're like, you know, it's just. It's not what people think. And there's so many things behind the scenes. Like packing your suitcase every single day, packing an outfit. If you get chosen to go on the date, like, you have to have all these things planned out. So it's like you have no time to put together, like, a cute outfit.

[Co-host]

Day five or six, you're like, fuck this makeup. You're like, now you're just wearing mascara and a wish and a hope and a prayer. You're pulling out an outfit out the bottom of your head.

[Sandy]

Now all of a sudden, we're personality girls. Like, let your personality shine. This is the moment.

[Co-host]

This is all I have to do.

[Sandy]

The lashes. Nope. Literally.

[Co-host]

Cuz you're melted. Like, you're like, you can't fight the element.

[Sandy]

You just can't.

[Co-host]

And you can. You can kind of see it on this season too. Everybody just kind of gave up around like day three. You can't fight it. Yeah. Personality has to come through. It's just cuz.

[Sandy]

Yeah, it's. It's Mexico. It's so hot. You know, that's just tv, though. That's what people don't know. Reality tv.

[Co-host]

Okay, let's talk first impressions of this new cast.

[Sandy]

Yes, Ali.

[Co-host]

Let's start with Ali.

[Sandy]

Okay. Vanderpump.

[Co-host]

Yes. Do you watch Vanderpump?

[Sandy]

No, not really. But just like, I know about it, obviously. It's on tv. I like her. I think Ali is. She's like, really silly. And obviously she's a astrologist, which I'm like, okay.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

I'm like, can you do my chart, please? Because love that. She's really sweet, really cute. I like her energy.

[Co-host]

Allison.

[Sandy]

Ollie and Allison. Jesus. Yeah, Jimmy.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

Okay, guys, really? Kayla, Cassie, we couldn't think about this in the casting. I really like her, too. Like her. Love her.

[Co-host]

I love her energy.

[Sandy]

She seems like somebody I'd be friends with. She's like.

[Co-host]

I think she had a 4, 4, 4 tattoo. One of the girls did. I think it was, like, right here. And I think it is Allison, and it's probably Font as mine.

[Sandy]

No way.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

I really like her.

[Co-host]

I think it was her.

[Sandy]

Yeah, she's cool. She's confident.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

She's, like, low key. She's a little, like, feisty. Love.

[Co-host]

I didn't watch her show. She's from the battle.

[Sandy]

Making the band.

[Co-host]

Making the band.

[Sandy]

No, she's from building the band.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

Okay. Actually, no, I did watch a little bit of that show. Just, like, the first episode, I think.

[Co-host]

Yeah, I didn't watch, but I remember them from the Netflix party.

[Sandy]

Yes. They were staying at our hotel, and I'm like, what's this show? They're all singing in the hallway. I'm like, what the hell's going on?

[Co-host]

They were singing on junket day.

[Sandy]

Oh, they were?

[Co-host]

Yeah. Remember when we were, like, getting ready?

[Sandy]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

They were like, hear the voices and.

[Sandy]

Yes.

[Co-host]

Because I think we all had junket at the same time.

[Sandy]

Yes, that's right.

[Co-host]

Anyway, she says she's super cute.

[Sandy]

She's really cute. I like her. Jimmy P. That's the Love is Wine one.

[Co-host]

Yeah. From my season.

[Sandy]

He's funny. I actually think he's pretty funny. Yeah, I'm. I like that we're seeing a different side of his personality. Yeah, I like that for him. I feel like this is, like, a little bit redemption. What do you think about him? Obviously, you know him.

[Co-host]

I'm happy he's there. Like. Like you said, redemption for him. Not like he needed it from. From Chelsea.

[Sandy]

I feel like he didn't need it.

[Co-host]

He didn't need any. But, like, we do get to see a different side of him. But I feel like he's, like, so reserved.

[Sandy]

Is he? Yeah.

[Co-host]

Like, I don't know. I think. I don't know. I just feel like he's so reserved more than I. I mean, I don't really know him outside of the love is blind thing. And I haven't talked to him since, so I don't really know what he's like, but I'm like, is this his real personality? Like, he just seems, like, kind of inward.

[Sandy]

Well, he's probably traumatized, probably. Like, being on TV and doing all that and getting criticized. He's probably, like, scared to, like, say the wrong thing or whatever. Also, your guys's season of Love is blind. Was like the biggest season of all time. So like I feel like probably everyone just got ridiculed for anything for breathing. It's like. But I actually think I was laughing at a couple of his like jokes. I thought he was funny and I. I like him and Ali. Yeah, they have a very weird like dynamic to it.

[Co-host]

He's.

[Sandy]

He loves it too. They just like to with each other but like in a pretty like playful, light hearted way. I feel like they were like just like boyfriend and girlfriend from like day one but like trying to make each other jealous. Yeah, I like them. Yeah, they're cute.

[Co-host]

That kind of reminds me a little bit of like you and oh boy.

[Sandy]

How different vibe.

[Co-host]

Yeah. But the whole jealousy like like in it. Like. Yeah, lock you in but like keep you on your.

[Sandy]

Not that serious. Like you know, go whatever, experiment. But yeah, they're cute. I like them.

[Co-host]

Okay. What about Marissa?

[Sandy]

She's cool.

[Co-host]

Yeah. She's so pretty.

[Sandy]

She's gorgeous. She's gorgeous. She's smart, she's strong, she's confident. I like this because I watched her Season of Love is Blind. Which one? She was after you. Right. I like that. We're seeing a totally different side to her. She's very confident, like sense sexy. Like I like this.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

How do you feel about her and Damari?

[Co-host]

You know, I'm happy for her. I'm happy for her. Like I do feel like he's someone that can kind of balance her because she can be a little bit like.

[Sandy]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

You know, off the wall. And I feel like he's so like stern in who he is that you can like bring her back down to reality.

[Sandy]

Okay.

[Co-host]

So I love that for her. I didn't, I've never seen him before. I didn't even know what show. What show is he from?

[Sandy]

Too Hot to Handle.

[Co-host]

Oh, okay.

[Sandy]

I didn't. Did I watch that season? I don't know. I don't really watch what to handle, but I've seen a couple of them.

[Co-host]

Okay.

[Sandy]

Yeah. Yeah. The only thing is, do you think he's a player? I feel like he is.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

He has to be.

[Co-host]

I mean anybody that leads with I'm 642-blah-blah, blah. Okay.

[Sandy]

He was saying something about like just women throwing them. Like, okay, Jesus Lord. Yeah.

[Co-host]

Like that can't be a personality that

[Sandy]

makes me like put up, you know.

[Co-host]

Yeah. A little red flag.

[Sandy]

Red flag for her because I feel like she is just like a real girl. She's.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

She's smart, she's, you know, she's solid. So that Concerns me a little bit, but we'll see. Yeah, we'll see.

[Co-host]

They're beautiful together.

[Sandy]

They're gorgeous.

[Co-host]

Okay, Natalie.

[Sandy]

Natalie. She. I don't. I didn't know anything about her, really. I didn't watch her season of Temptation Island. But she's cool. She's confident. I'm not really getting much of her personality, though, outside of, like, guys.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

Yeah. So I'd love to see, like, a little bit more of, like, her in, like, who she is.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

But obviously she's gorgeous, and, you know, the guys like her.

[Co-host]

Yeah. She's cute.

[Sandy]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

Mackenzie. She did squid games, right?

[Sandy]

Okay. Yes.

[Co-host]

Poor girl. She's just so out of her element.

[Sandy]

She's like, where the.

[Co-host]

What the hell is going on?

[Sandy]

They. Come on, guys. They should not do that to her. She's, like, coming into this. Poor girl.

[Co-host]

You know, it's just like, you think you could come into a dating show being a normal person?

[Sandy]

No, you can't. Yeah. The squid games is not gonna prepare you for this.

[Co-host]

No, not at all.

[Sandy]

She surprisingly, like, grew on me. I think at first, I kind of was like, okay, who is this? Like, didn't really know much, but I like that she. She kind of knows what she wants, and she just is not giving, like, desperate energy, which I really respect in there because it's so easy to be like, you know, you just want to have a match. And she was kind of, like, turning down the guys, which I like. Yeah. And the guy tried to give her that wallet. She was like, yeah, no.

[Co-host]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. I'd be like, no, I know.

[Sandy]

I was like, damn. Like, that. That takes a lot, but respect.

[Co-host]

Yeah. Wait, let's go to him. What's his name? Chris.

[Sandy]

Chris.

[Co-host]

He leads with the money, don't he?

[Sandy]

Yeah. You know, the love bombing.

[Co-host]

I think the love bombing.

[Sandy]

It's not just the money. Like, I think it's like, the. The love bombing. He's giving me, like, really intense vibes.

[Co-host]

Yeah. Did you watch Age of Attraction?

[Sandy]

I watched a little bit of it, yes. I don't remember him on it, though.

[Co-host]

Yeah. I mean, I thought his. I thought his type was older women, so now I'm confused.

[Sandy]

I think his type is whoever is in front of his face. That's kind of the vibe that I got, you know?

[Co-host]

And he does, like, he'll lead with the money and say, like. I think at one point he was like, I don't have to work another day in my life, or, blah, blah, blah.

[Sandy]

What does that mean? Like, go off? Yeah.

[Co-host]

So, Nick, did you watch Billion Dollar Secret?

[Sandy]

No. So is it, like, a real estate show?

[Co-host]

No.

[Sandy]

Oh, the.

[Co-host]

It's like. Like a mystery. Like, find the money. Oh. Kind of like traders. Okay.

[Sandy]

Cool thing. Oh, it's a new show season.

[Co-host]

They're on season two, I think.

[Sandy]

Oh, just kidding. Okay. I thought it was, like, Million Dollar Listing. I'm like, oh, close. Realtor. Okay. So he was on that show.

[Co-host]

Yeah, Nick. He was on there. Like, it's so funny to see him from Million Dollar Secret and then come on to a dating show. That's why I feel like people are not very prepared when they come onto these shows if you don't come from a dating show. Like, yeah, he had all the swag on Million Dollar Secret and then came and he was kind of like, the

[Sandy]

swag turn into just, like, meanness really quick when it comes to dating. And that was the vibe that I got from him. I was like. Just the comments he was making. I'm like, can you not like his, like, confessionals?

[Co-host]

I was like, why are we so graphic?

[Sandy]

Yeah, very, like, degrading, I think.

[Co-host]

I think he was just out of his wheelhouse. Like, I just think this was above his. Like, he was comparing the dates to, like, working in finance, and he's like, yeah, you got to move fast. And you got him, like, well, you know, not exactly. Yeah, take a beat. Yeah.

[Sandy]

Wall street, literally.

[Co-host]

It's literally perfect match. Yeah.

[Sandy]

So he was interesting. I'm not surprised that he didn't really find, like, a genuine connection.

[Co-host]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Sandy]

But I'm sure he's a good guy. It's just, like, we see this much, you know? But I just think that some of these men come on these shows so, like, cocky. So cocky.

[Co-host]

Yeah. And then they get humbled. That's my favorite thing.

[Sandy]

Humbled really fast. And I just think that a lot of their, like, jokes and what I'm

[Co-host]

like, they don't translate.

[Sandy]

Just stop.

[Co-host]

Yeah, it doesn't translate. That reminds me of that other guy. His jokes didn't change.

[Sandy]

Which one?

[Co-host]

I don't want to say his name from your show.

[Sandy]

Oh, God. We're not saying his name.

[Co-host]

His jokes didn't change.

[Sandy]

No, exactly. Like, just, like, not everything translates on tv.

[Co-host]

You're scaring everybody. How about that?

[Sandy]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

So Nick ends up winning Million Dollar Secret like he's a millionaire.

[Sandy]

Wait, wait. They win a million dollars?

[Co-host]

They win a million dollars.

[Sandy]

No, they don't.

[Co-host]

Yeah, they do.

[Sandy]

A million dollars.

[Co-host]

A million dollars. And Nick won.

[Sandy]

Can we go on that draw?

[Co-host]

Like, is there season Three, we can pitch ourselves.

[Sandy]

What?

[Co-host]

So now I'm thinking, but like, you know how, like, if your show doesn't come out, no one really knows who you are, so nobody really cares. And then I'm like, at what point is he gonna tell everybody, like, I'm a millionaire? Like, at least if you're like, failing with personality, you're not like, sizing up, at some point you should be like,

[Sandy]

bring out the gift, the Louis Vuitton.

[Co-host]

Right. By the way, I'm a millionaire. But I guess he wasn't allowed to say, that's crazy. Yeah.

[Sandy]

But I wonder how much of that money he actually gets.

[Co-host]

Because taxes.

[Sandy]

Taxes. And also I just feel like there's no way they just give you $1

[Co-host]

million, you know, I think they do. I think legally they have to.

[Sandy]

That's crazy.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

I feel like that's like the highest, like, prize show.

[Co-host]

Yeah. It's more than traders.

[Sandy]

How much is traders?

[Co-host]

Like 250k.

[Sandy]

Right. That's like normal. That's like on the high end. A million dollars is crazy.

[Co-host]

Insane.

[Sandy]

Okay, good for him. That's why he's making all these crazy weird jokes because he's like, haha. He's laughing at the bank.

[Co-host]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's.

[Sandy]

He got sent home.

[Co-host]

I wish he could have told someone. At least that would have gave him one more night.

[Sandy]

Well, that would have like, kind of. Maybe that would have got the wrong

[Co-host]

girl for the wrong.

[Sandy]

Exactly. That would have been interesting to see.

[Co-host]

Like, if he's so strategic and you're a mastermind, you should have thrown that out there, pull that out. And that would have been my first thing.

[Sandy]

I'd have been like, yeah, I want million dollar. What's it called?

[Co-host]

Secret.

[Sandy]

Secret.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

Keep wanting to say million dollar listing.

[Co-host]

The Yemen.

[Sandy]

He's cool. Yeah, I like him.

[Co-host]

I think he's on the same plane with like, Natalie. It's like, I don't really know what's going on. Like, I'm happy like they're together because, like. But I wish they were separate so that you could see their personalities. Because I just feel like together they're like, yeah, blah. Yeah. Friends.

[Sandy]

He has at least. Like, he. I think he's funny and just some of the stuff he says. It's like you can kind of get a sense for his humor, but I don't. Again, I don't know much about him either. Yeah, he seems like a cool guy.

[Co-host]

Also, we need to all keep the same energy about who is ruining the show and who's giving spoilers because Everybody was so mad that Ollie and I were out publicly before the show came out. Like, they're like, we're not gonna watch it. We already know. And I'm sorry. There's two people on this show, two people on the show that are in open relationships right now. I mean out relationships right now. If you're trying to be more intentional about what you wear day to day, Quintz can help with that. They've got pieces that feel easy, comfortable and still put together. Quince uses premium material like 100% European linen, organic cotton and ultra soft denim. Their lightweight linen pants, dresses and tops start at $30 and are effortless, breathable and easy to wear on repeat. Everything at Quint is priced 50 to 80% less than similar brands. They work directly with ethical factories and cut out the middlemen. So you're paying for quality and craftsmanship, not brand markup. I also love Quince's selection of jewelry. I just ordered these amazing mini U hoop earrings and they are quickly becoming my everyday go to. They're crafted from 18 karat gold vermeil so they have a luxury feel without being over the top. I'm telling you, your classic jeans and tee look instantly elevated. I love how simple, modern and effortlessly sophisticated they are. You can wear them with literally anything. Refresh your everyday with luxury you'll actually use. Head to quint.com WTR for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns. Now available in Canada too. That's Q U I n c e.com WTR for free shipping and 365 day returns. Quints.com WTR Traditional Home Security only alerts

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[Sandy]

Did they do Love island together?

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

After a perfect match.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

Wait, why? I'm confused. How did he get on Love Island? I've done.

[Co-host]

He's done a lot of shows. He posted like a thing where he was like, oh, talking about all his shows, and then.

[Sandy]

Never mind. I take that back.

[Co-host]

But listen to how messy this gets. So he's. How did I say? Okay. He's dating Whitney.

[Sandy]

Okay.

[Co-host]

Whitney's. Exactly. Was also on Love Island.

[Sandy]

Okay.

[Co-host]

Her ex is on this. Her ex's new girlfriend is on this season of Perfect Match.

[Sandy]

Oh, Bri. Damari's ex. Oh, my God.

[Co-host]

We need. I wish somebody can make, like, a org chart. Yeah, like a chart, because. What? Yes. So Damari's ex, Bri.

[Sandy]

Okay.

[Co-host]

Is she's dating Yemen's girlfriend's ex.

[Sandy]

This is some weird family dynamic.

[Co-host]

And they're also public as well.

[Sandy]

So Bree's public with somebody else now?

[Co-host]

Yes.

[Sandy]

Oh, come on.

[Co-host]

Public? Yeah.

[Sandy]

Why do people do this?

[Co-host]

You know? I don't know. I don't know. I think. I mean, I can't say too much.

[Sandy]

This is just.

[Co-host]

I was, like, engaged and pregnant by the time the show came out, but

[Sandy]

that was, like, a different situation. Yeah, you were, like, literally with a child.

[Co-host]

Old. I had to say something or somebody was gonna see my belly anyway.

[Sandy]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

No, but it is very funny. 1. It's funny because of the triangle. Like, I mean, like, the.

[Sandy]

The crossover.

[Co-host]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Sandy]

Okay, so. And then Yemen has a girlfriend, or he's, like, public with somebody else that he met after the show. Yeah, it's just, like. Just. I don't get it. Like, they shouldn't be allowed to, like, do all these shows after so quickly.

[Co-host]

Give it a. Give it a beat. Because how many shows did Louis do after, like, four shows?

[Sandy]

I don't know.

[Co-host]

Our season came out.

[Sandy]

Every show on the planet.

[Co-host]

Wow.

[Sandy]

I didn't even know that. That's crazy.

[Co-host]

But, you know, I'm always rooting for love, so however you find it. Sure. But have respect for. I don't even remember how tight they were.

[Sandy]

I. Clearly, they're not that tight, because. Why does this keep happening? I don't know. I just think that, like, I mean, find love however you want to find love. Absolutely. But have respect for whatever show you're on. Like, it's not that hard. You guys just wait, like, three weeks.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

You know.

[Co-host]

Okay. What? I think Perfect Match filmed last October, and I think Love island filmed this January, and then the show came out. Perfect Match came out this.

[Sandy]

Wait, but isn't Love island, like, live?

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

So how could he even hide that relationship?

[Co-host]

He did it. Like, they did it all. But we didn't know the cast of Love of Perfect Match yet.

[Sandy]

Well, I mean, maybe he shouldn't be Going on a live dating show.

[Co-host]

Right.

[Sandy]

Because you can't hide that relationship.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

I feel so out of the loop right now.

[Co-host]

It's a mess. It's a mess. It is a mess. Let's talk about who are, like, your favorite couples so far.

[Sandy]

Okay. Favorite couples. I like Jimmy and Ollie. They're cute.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

I just. I think that they're. Okay, wait, there's Jimmy and Ollie, and then there's Jimmy and Alison. Really? Come on. This is crazy. Okay. But actually, those two are my favorite couples, I think.

[Co-host]

Yeah. I think Jimmy S. And Allison are.

[Sandy]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

I. Okay. I'm not gonna lie. I did not want to like Jimmy Soto. I did not want to like him.

[Sandy]

I was like, who the.

[Co-host]

When the cast came out, I, like, looked him up, and I was like, oh, my God. That's a lot. You're an influencer. You're coming from nothing. Like, no show. Like, you're just popping up, like, coming to wreak havoc.

[Sandy]

And he just.

[Co-host]

And then he turns out to be the most respectful.

[Sandy]

Oh, is he?

[Co-host]

He is.

[Sandy]

Oh, good.

[Co-host]

I mean, not on social media. He talks a lot of shit on social stuff, but, like, on, like, the way he's treating Allison is, like, so. And, like, the way he's having, like, actual conversations with the women and being like, hey, this is not gonna work. And then, like, him and Alison, like, they set boundaries, like, before the singles parties, and he actually, like, listens, so. Right. He was. Wow. Armin could never.

[Sandy]

They would never.

[Co-host]

Never. But, yeah, I did not want to like him. And now I'm like, oh, my God.

[Sandy]

I actually. I thought. He's hilarious. Yes.

[Co-host]

So funny.

[Sandy]

Everything he says, I'm like. I don't know if I'm like. I'm just confused, but I'm also. It's hilarious. He's. He's really funny. And I don't know. I'm still waiting to see, like, more of his maybe depth and stuff. But I do think that he's. He's. He's got it more than a lot of the other guys, surprisingly, because when he popped on the screen, I was like, who is this?

[Co-host]

And what the hell is going on? Yeah.

[Sandy]

But all the girls, like, loved him.

[Co-host]

I was like, okay, yeah. How do you feel about Damari and Marissa, like, locking it in so soon?

[Sandy]

I mean, I'm not surprised. I feel like our season, that happened, like, with everyone, so I. I get it, and I like them. I actually think that they're probably the most, like, legit couple.

[Co-host]

Right.

[Sandy]

I don't know. I feel like they have kind of that. They're, like, winning all the challenges. They obviously, like, they know each other. They're compatible. I just wonder if they're compatible in the real world. That's my thing is, like, I just feel like they're very different people, so I wonder how that would work outside of.

[Co-host]

I wonder if it's, like, an age thing, because she's, what, 33?

[Sandy]

33. He's 29.

[Co-host]

Yeah. I don't know. I think they look good, visually. They look good. They look great. They're winning the challenges.

[Sandy]

They have chemistry. They work like they have almost like a partnership already.

[Co-host]

Yeah. I mean, speak on. Locking in. Like, I locked in.

[Sandy]

You locked it. You're. You already have a baby that's six months old. What do you mean, like, you locked it in?

[Co-host]

I. I know immediately I was like, you know what? I'm done playing.

[Sandy]

Like, you really?

[Co-host]

I don't want to do this anymore. Yeah. I want to go home.

[Sandy]

Like, I want a baby now.

[Co-host]

So. Yeah. I can't say too much. I'm excited for them whichever way it goes. So there's, like, a bit, like, when they're, like, introducing Jimmy a bit from my season where they're talking about that.

[Sandy]

Yes.

[Co-host]

He's, like, a flirt. Anyway. He admitted to having wandering eyes in past relationships. And then it, like, goes to a part where Chelsea's like, yeah, like, you. The way you're, like, flirting with AD or whatever. I'm like, can I be left out of it?

[Sandy]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

Can I please be left out of it?

[Sandy]

Yes. Keep me in my body out of it.

[Co-host]

Yeah. Like, it's so weird. Anyway. And he admitted to having wandering eyes.

[Sandy]

Yes. We know this. Right? You know this.

[Co-host]

Do you think he's shown growth with that this far this season?

[Sandy]

You know, this is. I don't. I don't know him, so it's, like, kind of hard to say, but I feel like actually he was kind of locked in with Ali at first, and then she made out with that guy.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

So then he kind of switched up and was like, okay, now I'm gonna, like, almost force myself to, like, flirt with other people, but I also feel like he wants to kind of play the game. The thing that concerns me about him is, like, why did everybody vote for him that he's the. The most disingenuous?

[Co-host]

Yeah. Like, you know, it's. I. That was. I question that as well, because I feel like he. So love is blind coded. Like, I feel like. I don't feel like he was giving, like, player there. I Feel like on socials, he's given player. Like, he's like, oh, I got my glow up. Like, all the girls want me. And then you get on the show and it was kind of like, yeah, I'm focused on finding the one. And it just became like a very tunnel vision version of him.

[Sandy]

Right.

[Co-host]

So I don't know. I just. He's not giving the same. Love is blind social media. Perfect Match. It's like three different people, different.

[Sandy]

Okay. Yeah.

[Co-host]

I don't know what's going on.

[Sandy]

Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I feel like he's. He says that he's done a lot of work and he's. And I believe it because when you go through reality tv, like, you can't not do work on yourself after it airs. It's just such, like, the craziest experience and just seeing yourself in a way that you're like, yeah, maybe not the happiest with. So I believe that. I just. He's also like, on Perfect Match. I mean, come on. It's like, yeah, he's gonna have fun.

[Co-host]

Yeah. I love that he linked up with Allie, though. I really feel like she's just like a little firecracker.

[Sandy]

She is hilarious. Like, I feel like she's so unserious. Right?

[Co-host]

So, like, she.

[Sandy]

Because she cannot be serious.

[Co-host]

She's so unseen.

[Sandy]

She's hilarious.

[Co-host]

Wait, let's go back to Chris and the love bombing.

[Sandy]

Okay. Yeah.

[Co-host]

Do you think that's what he was doing, moving so quickly with McKenzie and then, like, moving on to Kayla, do you think?

[Sandy]

Yeah, I think he's. He even said he's a love bomber. Yeah, he literally said it. Yeah. I don't know. We stay away from that.

[Co-host]

Yeah. Damari and Marissa go to the boardroom. We learned that Brie, Damari's ex, is on the board. What are your thoughts on casting being so messy and putting them on the cast together?

[Sandy]

Well, duh.

[Co-host]

You know, that's their job. You know that feeling.

[Sandy]

Yeah. Huh. That's literally their job. I mean, props to him for not bringing her in the house.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

Good job. Unlike me.

[Co-host]

Well, because he knew.

[Sandy]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

That he was a mess.

[Sandy]

That he was.

[Co-host]

Yeah. He knew they weren't on good terms.

[Sandy]

Okay. So I don't know their history, but

[Co-host]

I feel like he was, like, trying to put. Play it off, like, oh, it won't be good for you, Marissa. Where it's like, no, in actuality, she don't with you.

[Sandy]

Okay, never mind.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

You know, bring her in and.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

Like, turning.

[Co-host]

Yeah. Have drama. Yeah. Air it out. Yeah. The boardroom is so intimidating.

[Sandy]

It's. You were in there, like, seven times. What do you mean, intimidating?

[Co-host]

It really is. You get in there, and it's just like, you don't want to be, like, a blocker. Like, you don't want to be like, oh, no, don't bring her in, because. Right, but then you also, like, don't bring her in because I don't want to lose my man. But you have to, like, test it, right? And Marissa's like, should we bring her in? Should we bring her in? And he was like, no, no, no.

[Sandy]

I mean, better than saying yes.

[Co-host]

I wonder if they knew that they were going to both be on the show.

[Sandy]

Jamari and Bri. Yeah, probably. I mean, unless they talk. Probably not, you know, because now it's like, anyone can be on the show. It's so random, and it's, like, very hard to get selected. I feel like you don't know. Yeah, But I think. Yeah, I think being in the boardroom is, like, I didn't have the experience of going in with. With my match, so I wasn't, like, intimidated by, like, oh, do you want to match with this girl? But you had that a couple of times. Because it's, like, probably seeing their face light up with, like, the new people. You're like, what the fuck?

[Co-host]

No. Dead.

[Sandy]

Do you want to go on this?

[Co-host]

No. Dead ass.

[Sandy]

Yeah, I could see that being intimidating or just being annoying. Yeah.

[Co-host]

You know, I just. I wish I could erase some of these.

[Sandy]

You're like, ptsd.

[Co-host]

Like, I wish I just, like, met Ollie organically, like, at.

[Sandy]

You wish it wasn't on tv.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

Like, no. Come on, you guys. Your story is so cool, and it's on tv, so you could, like, go back and watch your guys first kiss everything.

[Co-host]

I love it. Yeah.

[Sandy]

You guys have a great story.

[Co-host]

Okay, so Kayla, Dave, and Jimmy S. Into the villa. Do you have any predictions on who they would gravitate towards?

[Sandy]

Okay. Also, they're bringing in mixed people now.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

So. Which is interesting. It's almost a little bit hard for me to, like, keep track of, like, what's happening, but I also kind of like it because it's like, everyone's up for grabs. So they brought in Kayla, the Australian guy, Dave. And then who was the other one?

[Co-host]

Jimmy S. Okay.

[Sandy]

Yeah. Um, Kayla. I mean, I didn't know who she was gonna go for. I'm like, maybe the Australian guy, but I don't know if they could match up.

[Co-host]

Cause they could. They're just coming in Yeah.

[Sandy]

I was very surprised that she went for Chris. I almost feel like she was kind of strategic with that.

[Co-host]

Mm.

[Sandy]

You know?

[Co-host]

Yeah, I could see that.

[Sandy]

Did she really connect with Chris?

[Co-host]

I just think that she thought, like, Mackenzie was easy to kind of move out the way.

[Sandy]

Right.

[Co-host]

Also, like, Dave came in with a lot of energy.

[Sandy]

Yeah. He made out with three people.

[Co-host]

Swooping the women up.

[Sandy]

I was surprised, like, every time you

[Co-host]

turned around, he was making out with another girl.

[Sandy]

Imagine our season if, like, one of the guys coming in just, like, made out with three of the girls that were, like, in a match. Like, we would barely have conversations with them. We're like, okay, 30 seconds is up. Gotta go.

[Co-host]

No, literally, they're like, can you go talk? Like, they had to force us to talk to other people because we were so lucky.

[Sandy]

Get up and go talk to them.

[Co-host]

Like, yeah, I don't want to. And Dave is making out with.

[Sandy]

With all of them.

[Co-host]

All of them. I don't think there's a woman on the show that he didn't make out with.

[Sandy]

Right.

[Co-host]

He came in with grown man energy. He's like, what, 37? 38. 37 or something?

[Sandy]

Yeah, like 38.

[Co-host]

He was like, yeah. Move out the way he did.

[Sandy]

Married at first sight. Right. So got married the first day he met someone. That's crazy.

[Co-host]

That's crazy.

[Sandy]

Do you think it's real marriage?

[Co-host]

It is. Yeah.

[Sandy]

That's insane.

[Co-host]

It is.

[Sandy]

That's crazy.

[Co-host]

Now I'm kind of interested to see his story and how he.

[Sandy]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

Here.

[Sandy]

Mm.

[Co-host]

I got to get some back story on Dave because I'm very intrigued to see where he came from.

[Sandy]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

And why he has so much swag. And it didn't translate for me. It didn't translate, like, on tv. I'm just like, I'm not feeling what he's putting down, but the girls were eating it up.

[Sandy]

Yeah. I felt like. I didn't think that he was, like, super confident in terms of, like, what he's saying, but then he just. Just was very direct. Like, can I kiss you? Just making out with everyone. So I was like, okay. I mean, he's got. He's definitely have some confidence.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

I don't know. Interesting.

[Co-host]

Very interesting.

[Sandy]

And he switched it up a lot. Like, I think he went. I think he was with, like, every girl at one point.

[Co-host]

Yeah. After he made out with him, he's like, I'm gonna match with you. Just kidding. I'm gonna match with you.

[Sandy]

And also his, like, weird connection with Ali.

[Co-host]

Right.

[Sandy]

That kind of keeps going on even Though they're not matched up. I'm like, then just match up.

[Co-host]

Were you surprised that Dave asked McKenzie to go on the date rather than Ali?

[Sandy]

Yeah, because I feel like. I feel like he could kind of have his, like, pick of the land and. And he was, like, really vibing with Ali. I feel like Mackenzie was the one girl he didn't make out with.

[Co-host]

Yeah, right. I don't think they made out.

[Sandy]

And that's. He's claiming that's why he picked her because, oh, I know the least about her.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

Nah, he probably didn't go with Ali because Ollie's, like, locked up with Jimmy and Natalie's with whoever. Like, you know, again, it's a game. Everyone's trying to be, like, strategic. But I was surprised and I was. I also thought it was hilarious how, like, Mackenzie, this is, like, why I like her. She just was, like, not into it and very open about it. She's like, this is awkward. Like, she doesn't.

[Co-host]

She's serious.

[Sandy]

This is weird. She just, like, didn't care that how he looks or whatever. She just was like, yeah. No.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

That was an interesting match, though. I think he likes the blondes because then he went to the other girl, Sophie.

[Co-host]

Oh, yeah.

[Sandy]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

Oh, yeah.

[Sandy]

They're switching up a lot.

[Co-host]

There's a lot.

[Sandy]

There's a lot of switch ups. Honestly, like, I'm. I can't really follow all of it, but I'm trying.

[Co-host]

Okay, let's try to pick up back with Chris and Kayla.

[Sandy]

Okay. Yes.

[Co-host]

How do you feel about them?

[Sandy]

Super random.

[Co-host]

Very random.

[Sandy]

Like, I'm like, huh? Like, Kayla can have whoever she wants and she's picking Chris.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

It just something felt a little bit, like, weird to me about it. And then when I think when everyone else was like, clocked them as being the most, like, disingenuous, I was like, okay.

[Co-host]

And then it's also like, if you're both going home, we should be happy. Right. Why are we not happy? Right. You're going home together. Together. Why are we not happy?

[Sandy]

Well, as you know, they're not together. It's, like, separated.

[Co-host]

Yeah. But it's like, at least you know, the man that you vibed so hard with is gone. You don't have to worry about it.

[Sandy]

I know.

[Co-host]

And now you guys, you know, can do your own thing.

[Sandy]

Yeah. That was a very random pick.

[Co-host]

Yeah. I'm also, like you said, I'm curious why they voted Jimmy.

[Sandy]

Yeah. I was surprised because, like, we don't get to see everything though, obviously. Like, they know a Lot more so. I have no idea, because he seemed pretty genuine.

[Co-host]

I feel like, as a couple, I would have probably voted Yemen and Natalie out because they were just locked in as friends. I would be like, there's nothing happening here.

[Sandy]

Right. I would've been like, do you think they're just friends?

[Co-host]

Yeah, they started.

[Sandy]

I saw her straddling him. Well, that doesn't look like friends.

[Co-host]

You know, you gotta do what you gotta do to stay in the house, don't you?

[Sandy]

Damn.

[Co-host]

I don't know. That probably would have been the couple I voted for. Just. And not for any. Not saying that they're not there for the right reasons. Just they didn't match with anyone else. Like, they don't have chemistry with anyone else, and then they don't even have chemistry with each other. Like, they already knew each other.

[Sandy]

Yeah, they.

[Co-host]

They came on the show just kind of like.

[Sandy]

You didn't think Natalie had chemistry with other people?

[Co-host]

I didn't see it.

[Sandy]

Who I felt like she was.

[Co-host]

I think everybody thought she was hot, and she is, but I didn't see anything where I was like, wow.

[Sandy]

Beyond that. Yeah, that's true. Just more like, surface level, flirty.

[Co-host]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And she did the safe route, which I respect. Like, get your bed, girl. Get your bed.

[Sandy]

Yeah, I guess. Well, I don't know. Oh, well, obviously we know what happens because Yemen is in a relationship, but. Yeah, sometimes the. You know, when you start as friends and then you switch over, it works, but, yeah, I guess not this time.

[Co-host]

Not this time. Who would you have voted for?

[Sandy]

I don't know. Maybe Natalie or Kayla. I'd be like, okay. I don't know if they're.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

Really? Like, how genuine are they? Like, trying to find a connection. Guys,

[Co-host]

any guy can go.

[Sandy]

All of them. Probably Chris.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

Or no. Was that other guy in there still? The. The million dollar guy?

[Co-host]

I think he was gone.

[Sandy]

Oh, he was gone. I would have voted him out.

[Co-host]

I was like, also, I think there should be more, like, cast voting. I feel like at some point there was just too many people in the house. I feel like at the end of the day, there should have been more voting. Like, yeah, let's, like, vote people out. I wish we had that option, like,

[Sandy]

just, like, throughout the season.

[Co-host]

Yeah. Like, start bringing in people. Now there's 30 people on in the villa, and I don't know what's going on. I don'.

[Sandy]

Exactly.

[Co-host]

Let's keep voting people out.

[Sandy]

Well, I think that's good, too, because it's like, it changes things up all the time. You don't have to, like, wait for the dates and the matches. It's like it should. Everyone should be on their toes at all times. And I think that's what they're kind of trying to do.

[Co-host]

So Marissa and Damari win another challenge and decide to bring in three new singles instead of two. Do you think that was a smart choice?

[Sandy]

I think that was a smart choice. Why not bring in more people and, like, let's switch it up and see who's, like, the most compatible. So I would have brought in three people too. Why not?

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

And so they brought in Catherine, Cassie and Sophie. Cassie and Sophie. Yeah. I liked that. I mean, obviously I love Catherine. Yeah, I like Cassie. And Sophie's cool. Yeah, yeah, they're. I mean that you need some hot girls around to like, make these guys, you know, act stupid basically, and see how loyal they are. Yeah, I know. I hate that, though. Cassie went with Jimmy. What? Did she have any other options? Like, I feel like she just really vibed with Jimmy.

[Co-host]

Yeah, I feel like all the girls always have options because they're so hot.

[Sandy]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

So they can really pick whoever they want.

[Sandy]

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[Co-host]

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[Sandy]

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[Sandy]

Catherine going with the other Jimmy? That doesn't surprise me. Yeah, I feel like Catherine is. She's so, like, goofy and she just likes kind of guys like that. That's like unserious swaggy, so that kind of made sense.

[Co-host]

Wait, how did you meet Catherine?

[Sandy]

I met her at a Christmas party in December and we've done a couple, like, trips together with like, influencers and stuff. She's really cool. I love her.

[Co-host]

Yeah, she was so sweet when I met her.

[Sandy]

She's so sweet because she's the. I. I saw some of her too hot to handle. Right. And I like that Perfect match is giving her a. Like, showing more of her personality versus just, like, her being hot because obviously she's gorgeous. But, like, she has such a. A good personality, and she's so kind. She's just, like. She's just a genuine girl.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

So I like that we're seeing, like, her goofy side more, but her and Jimmy, I mean, come on. All these guys were like, this is what is annoying. They're, like, obsessed with the girls when they walk in. Oh, my God, she's so hot. She can have whoever she wants, whoever she's going on a date with. Like, we're matching. And then, like, they don't.

[Co-host]

Yeah. Which is. It's rough because I remember watching that firsthand on our season, like, watching the girls think, like, they really had a chance.

[Sandy]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

And it's, like, really actually, like, one, it's embarrassing. Two, it's a long day of, like, you're going on a date, you're doing hair and makeup. You're packing all your bags to, like, for this guy to be like, yeah, I really want to match with you. I really want. I'm like, I'm. Blah, blah, blah, blah. To only, like, the day end at, like, midnight. And literally.

[Sandy]

Yeah, it's.

[Co-host]

It is a mind game.

[Sandy]

Like, what's the percentage of people that actually match on the dates that they went on? Like, yeah, less than 5%. It's so rare. And I feel bad because everybody thinks that they're gonna match. And I don't necessarily think these guys are, like, leading them on so much.

[Co-host]

Nice.

[Sandy]

They're just, like, they're on a date with you. Yeah. They're gonna give you. They're gonna give you their attention. And it doesn't mean that they're gonna pick you necessarily, because then again, they have the girls back at home, basically, that you're sharing a room with, and it's like, spending so much time with. So it's just different. People don't really understand.

[Co-host]

You know what I always wonder? I'm like, okay, if the. I don't know what else to call them. If the tempters start the bombshells, isn't it? Oh, I like tempters.

[Sandy]

Okay. Temptation.

[Co-host]

Tempters come in first. Would they still have that energy of, you're not married, like, you're taking it so serious? Like, I just, you know. Do you know what I'm trying to say?

[Sandy]

Well, yeah, because it's like, Whatever position you're in, obviously you're gonna, like.

[Co-host]

But it's like, they hold that position so strong. It's like, would you be that way when. If you start. I don't.

[Sandy]

Of course not.

[Co-host]

No. I don't think so. I think you'd be just as protective, just as territory tutorial. Like, but they come in so hot. Like, everyone here. You're not married. Like, blah, blah, blah.

[Sandy]

It's like, well, yeah.

[Co-host]

Well, we are.

[Sandy]

Well, actually, just you. I know. I though. I felt like I was like, not. I didn't have that mindset so much because I was like, you guys. Like, we are. You know, we've been here for two days. There's all these other people, like, give it a shot. Even though it's, like, weird to say, because you don't want to, like, lose your spot in the house or get dumped. But, yeah, people just. Whatever position they're in, they're like. They defend that. It's like, that's. You know. So obviously, if the temper started in the house, they'd be like, you're not talking to my man. Don't touch my man. Like, you're just.

[Co-host]

I don't know.

[Sandy]

You know?

[Co-host]

I don't know.

[Sandy]

I think we have good tempters. Bombshells. I think that there's really good bombshells this season.

[Co-host]

Yeah. At one point, I was like, I wish these bombshells were the starters.

[Sandy]

I know.

[Co-host]

Like, even the men. I was like, wait a. Wait a damn minute.

[Sandy]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

I feel like they brought so much energy and so much personality. I just feel like some of the guys that start are just there for looks, like they're just literally, like, decor where I feel like some of the men that came in had, like, actual person, like, Jimmy S. Like, they all had, like, like, personality.

[Sandy]

Exactly. I was like, the bombshells are good this season.

[Co-host]

Yeah, they are.

[Sandy]

It's just shitty because I, like. I kind of wish that they would, like, have a better shot of getting a house.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

To, like, to see cast. These girls, like, get turned down. I'm like, what the. Yeah. Yeah. No, but we get it. Like, we totally get it. Like, as if we didn't just, like.

[Co-host]

Yeah. Get traumatized.

[Sandy]

Exactly.

[Co-host]

We get it. Sophie ends up matching with Dave after their date. I think they're probably two of the most unserious people on the show, and I think that's what makes them compatible, because I don't think she's taking it serious. He's not taking it serious. And I feel like when you're like so chill about it. Right. You can like, kind of come together like with that common, like. Yeah. Cuz you're unserious.

[Sandy]

Exactly. If you're on the same page. But do you not think he's taking it seriously? I feel like he's like, no, you.

[Co-host]

I'm sorry, I was going to say you come in, obviously, you know, you've been here for 10 minutes, you made out with 10 girls. You're not, you're not taking this serious.

[Sandy]

But what's interesting to me is that like, like, yes, he's doing that. And I think he's kind of like being like a little boy on the surface, but then he's talking about like serious with the matches and like what he wants long term.

[Co-host]

I'm like, the actions are not matching.

[Sandy]

Yeah. It's just like a little confusing.

[Co-host]

Yeah. And I just feel like she's also like, what. What is going on here?

[Sandy]

She's definitely unserious.

[Co-host]

Yes.

[Sandy]

She has to be.

[Co-host]

Did you watch? I keep asking you. You're gonna be like, no. Her season of love is blind.

[Sandy]

No, I didn't.

[Co-host]

Yes.

[Sandy]

She's on the newer season of uk.

[Co-host]

Yeah. She had the photo booth scandal where I was like, she went into the photo booth with a guy that was engaged and then there was this whole thing. Like, was there a curtain on it? Did you go in there and close the curtain? Like, it was just like.

[Sandy]

Is that what she was saying? Like salacious. What is it when you steal someone's man?

[Co-host]

Oh, a home record.

[Sandy]

Home record.

[Co-host]

Yeah. Yeah. She's talking about. Yeah.

[Sandy]

Okay.

[Co-host]

So I think she's going in with that label and just being like, no one takes me serious anyway, so why would I come in here and.

[Sandy]

Right.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

Damn.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

Scandal.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

Photo booth scandal.

[Co-host]

Yeah. Photo booth gate. Yeah.

[Sandy]

Photo booth gate.

[Co-host]

Yeah. I don't know. I think they make sense as a couple, personally. Okay.

[Sandy]

Do you think that he's gonna stay and this is it?

[Co-host]

You know, I don't know because he likes to make out with every.

[Sandy]

Every girl.

[Co-host]

So I don't know.

[Sandy]

But we, at this point, we've already seen everybody on the cast, both sides.

[Co-host]

Yeah, I think so.

[Sandy]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

Yeah, we'll see.

[Sandy]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

Staying on Dave, he ends up breaking things off with MacKenzie after his date with Sophie. Mackenzie shoots her shot with Jimmy S. Why do you think she waited so long to say something to Jimmy S?

[Sandy]

I mean, because she had like five other boyfriends like, that she had to whatever, you know, like, it's just hard when you. You're in a match and then you go to another match, and then it's like, how much time do you have to, like.

[Co-host]

And you can't step on toes because as much as she probably wanted to say something to him, he's also navigating, like.

[Sandy]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

All his.

[Sandy]

You know, people realize too, like, you're. It's so hard to talk to somebody else's match.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

Like, even if you have a little thing or whatever, like, you're not gonna do that to the other girl. Like, that's so. Just. I know. It's like the part. Part of the. The concept and stuff, it's just so disrespectful. So obviously she's not gonna shoot her shot when they're like. Like, had the challenges. Like, you know, it's not Love island where they're all, like, making out with each other.

[Co-host]

A chat. Can I play for a chat? Can I play for. No, you can't.

[Sandy]

I mean, I feel like it should be like that more because, like, that's kind of the whole point. And I like when people switch it up and it's, like, unexpected, but it's just so not realistic.

[Co-host]

Yeah. And she's just not. Like I said, she doesn't come from a dating show where she's used to having to, like, pull you for a child. Like, that's not normal. Like, you don't just pull somebody's man. Like.

[Sandy]

Exactly.

[Co-host]

That's not normal.

[Sandy]

Exactly.

[Co-host]

But good. Kudos to her for trying.

[Sandy]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

She grew on me and.

[Co-host]

Yeah, me too.

[Sandy]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

And he was so respectful about it. That's. I think that's when I started, like, being like, you know what?

[Sandy]

He's not that bad.

[Co-host]

He's not that bad. And I hate that because I want to take him.

[Sandy]

I literally was like, who is this? I'm like, wait, he's funny.

[Co-host]

Yeah. There seems to be a lot of jealousy surrounding Marissa and Damari and Ally and Jimmy. What's your hot take on those couples?

[Sandy]

I think that they both. Both couples are, like, kind of intense. I think that they just started off really strong. Like, they almost have that, like, relationship vibe. Both of them, like, Tamari and Marissa, they're giving partners. And then Jimmy and Ali. I was like, you guys are, like, already in a relationship. So being in an environment like that, like, it's so. It's. It makes you jealous, you know? And then they, like, want to fuck with each other a little bit.

[Co-host]

It's the love, I swear, like, there's some kind of love is blind, like juice. Like, once you drink that Juice.

[Sandy]

It's like, you don't know how to be, like.

[Co-host]

Yeah. You don't know how to be normal. You're just like, we go together.

[Sandy]

Yeah. Chill. Yeah.

[Co-host]

We are boyfriend, girlfriend. Like, and, like, Marissa is obviously, love is blind, and so is Jimmy.

[Sandy]

So it's like they have that.

[Co-host]

You have that in your veins, or it's like, I want to cut out all the surface level, like, bullshit. Like, I want to, like, get to know you.

[Sandy]

And you don't know how to not be because you.

[Co-host]

You get engaged after, like, two, nine to 10 days. So you're just like, well, why would I waste time? Like, you can't.

[Sandy]

Right.

[Co-host]

It's in you.

[Sandy]

And then mixed with, like, a. Too hot to handle or just like, a free spirit. Yeah. Like, if. I think. If it's like two, love is blind. It's like you're getting married and having a baby if you end up together, you know? But mixed with something else, it's just like, what is. What's going on?

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

Yeah. That's. It's a little wild.

[Co-host]

Yeah. It's so funny to watch Marissa be like, I'm not jealous, and then get jealous every single time. She's like. She tries to keep us, like, a smile on. Every time he, like, talks to somebody or kiss somebody, she's like,

[Sandy]

it's hard.

[Co-host]

It is hard.

[Sandy]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

But it's just like, she's like, I'm not jealous.

[Sandy]

I know. It's so funny.

[Co-host]

And then, like, Jimmy watching his girl make out with everyone, it's like, that's crazy.

[Sandy]

I feel like he handled himself very well.

[Co-host]

He did. I'm shocked he did under the circumstances.

[Sandy]

Like, he didn't even barely get mad.

[Co-host]

No. I mean, there's a lot of makeups he didn't see. He just had to hear from her. Like, we saw them.

[Sandy]

Who did she make out with?

[Co-host]

He saw the. He saw the one with Dave.

[Sandy]

Yep.

[Co-host]

She made out with the singles party. She went crazy with Hashim.

[Sandy]

Isn't this the day after her and Jimmy say that they love each other? That's just a little, like, confusing.

[Co-host]

A little?

[Sandy]

I mean, you don't say you love trying to be nice.

[Co-host]

What do you think about Marissa getting triggered by Damari, telling her she makes him feel comfortable?

[Sandy]

I. I think, like, probably most women can relate to that. I get it. Because it's like, guys mean it as a compliment. There's nothing better for a man that when a girl makes them feel safe. Right.

[Co-host]

It's like, I'm not your emotional support.

[Sandy]

Exactly. Like, I Think as women, like, we want to feel wanted and desired for, like, who we are, not just for, like, how we make you feel or, like, what we offer to you. Because obviously, like, we're gonna take care of you. We're gonna make you feel safe. So I think that's what was coming up for her. And, like, I can tell that she's a very, like, deep, emotional person. So I don't blame her for getting, like, for having that be almost like, something that was a little triggering for her. But that's not how he meant it. Like, I, I. He was giving her a genuine compliment. And, like, for these men, that's a big deal. They're like, what do you mean? I just gave you, like, the nicest compliment ever.

[Co-host]

He's like, well, you ruined that.

[Sandy]

Yeah. He's like. And, and for. For her, she's just like, okay. Like, not.

[Co-host]

They were just on two different.

[Sandy]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

Books. Not even two different pages. Like, he's like, I'm going to tell this girl how amazing.

[Sandy]

No.

[Co-host]

And awesome. She makes me feel. And she just read it completely. Yeah. Wrong. But that's also like, I was like, is she drunk?

[Sandy]

She probably, like, I was like, she's

[Co-host]

not even there to, like, I'm sure she pick up what he's putting down. Like, I feel like under different circumstances.

[Sandy]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

She could have received that, but I just feel like it was a long day.

[Sandy]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

What the hell is going on?

[Sandy]

We also don't know what else happened. Yeah. We probably did some to piss her off.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

Something.

[Co-host]

And she was like, cool. I'm glad.

[Sandy]

Like, I make you feel comfortable.

[Co-host]

Right. Right.

[Sandy]

Because it's like, that's. Of course it's a compliment.

[Co-host]

But there's a reason why she didn't receive it the way.

[Sandy]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

That we probably don't know.

[Sandy]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

I'm gonna ask her.

[Sandy]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

What's the tea behind that day?

[Sandy]

Yeah. You know, we all get it.

[Co-host]

Yeah. We all know. Let's get into the mixers because, you know, we love a perfect match mixer so much.

[Sandy]

So much. Just like the highlight of the season by Max.

[Co-host]

It was like, Gives me, like, chills thinking about the mixers. Like, wrap it up. Damari's ex did not seem happy to see him. What do you think happened there?

[Sandy]

Clearly a bad breakup.

[Co-host]

Clearly. That's what I was saying earlier when I was like, oh, like, don't bring her in. No. Not because she's gonna take you away.

[Sandy]

Smack her in the face, literally, and expose you.

[Co-host]

Yeah. And she came in. She's so hot. So Beautiful.

[Sandy]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

But she is Yemen's girlfriend's ex's girlfriend.

[Sandy]

It's gonna take me a minute. We need an org chart.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

Okay.

[Co-host]

Which is so funny because I met both Whitney and her ex. Lock in. I met them when I was in London.

[Sandy]

Oh, yeah.

[Co-host]

With Ollie. Yeah.

[Sandy]

Oh, okay.

[Co-host]

So it's so weird.

[Sandy]

That's just like.

[Co-host]

I feel like I'm a part of it.

[Sandy]

This connection is just.

[Co-host]

It's growing and growing.

[Sandy]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

It's literally family tree that just keeps expanding.

[Co-host]

And it's like, a lot of, like, American UK coupling up. Like, I love to see that, but.

[Sandy]

Okay, so obviously Bri is not happy to see Damari.

[Co-host]

She was just eating him up, like.

[Sandy]

Yeah. I wonder what happened.

[Co-host]

She said something like, oh, you're so different on tv. Like.

[Sandy]

Yeah, basically you're fake.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

That's what that means.

[Co-host]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Sandy]

Seeing your exes in these environments is just. No, no.

[Co-host]

Very awkward. Very awkward. So it seems like the girls are being less behaved than the boys were at their mixer. What do you think that's about?

[Sandy]

Maybe they were allowed to take shots at their. At their mixer. I don't know, because.

[Co-host]

What, you guys were limited to one.

[Sandy]

Oh, yeah. You weren't there.

[Co-host]

I was.

[Sandy]

We were taking shots of water. I was drinking water. I was like, I'm so dehydrated. I'm just. I was not having it. But we weren't allowed to take any shots. And the guys were drunk before we got there.

[Co-host]

They were drunk before we got there.

[Sandy]

So maybe they reversed it. This.

[Co-host]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Sandy]

I don't know. I think the girls probably were, like, maybe fed up with the guys. Like, let. Let me show you how you guys are.

[Co-host]

Or maybe they saw our season and was like, we're not gonna be boring. The boring. Yeah. Because weren't you guys playing, like, cards

[Sandy]

and, like, literally patty cake. Patty cake taking shots of water? And then only Freddie was, like, doing, like. He was doing, like, magic tricks. I'm not joking.

[Co-host]

Because they probably, like, assume, like, the men are gonna wild out.

[Sandy]

Right.

[Co-host]

Which is a safe thing to assume.

[Sandy]

Yes.

[Co-host]

If you send the guys out with alcohol in singles.

[Sandy]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

Based off of the past few seasons, they're gonna go. They're gonna go crazy. So they were like, well, why the hell.

[Sandy]

I think they were, like. Like, expecting that. So they're like, we're not gonna look like dumbasses sitting on our head.

[Co-host]

Yeah. Good for them, honestly. Yeah.

[Sandy]

Whatever. Slay when guys do, it's like, oh, my God.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

Horrible. And girls, I'm like, You know,

[Co-host]

I support women's rights and wrongs.

[Sandy]

That's right.

[Co-host]

Okay, so Damari and Marissa were arguing the night before the mixer. Do you think that influenced Marissa's decision to kill kiss Weston? I'm gonna. I'm just gonna jump in. I think 100. I also think she needed to play the field. Yeah, I think she needed to play it, especially knowing that there's a chance that Bri was going to come in.

[Sandy]

And she knows Bree's on that board. She knows that he's there with his

[Co-host]

ex, and they were already on rocky terms. I think she was like, you know what? I could play it safe and go home and get embarrassed.

[Sandy]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

Or I could kiss this cowboy. Right.

[Sandy]

I think so too.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

And honestly, good for her. Yeah.

[Co-host]

I'm just gonna say it. Good for her.

[Sandy]

Okay.

[Co-host]

I'm glad she played the game. I'm glad. Like, yes, they were locked in, but, like, I'm glad she played the game, and I'm glad that she's not, like, going home and being like, oh, I wish I did. I wish I did more. I wish I. Blah, blah, blah.

[Sandy]

Like, again, I feel like all the women, including Marissa, were, like, preparing for the worst. Yeah. And then it kind of didn't happen.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

So it's like an interesting, like, mix where girls kind of, like, wild out, but they were just trying to, I think, maybe protect themselves a little bit. And I. And I would not blame Marissa doing that with Damari, being there with his ex. Like, you just.

[Co-host]

You don't know. You don't know. Yeah. You don't.

[Sandy]

Unfortunately,

[Co-host]

it was so funny, too, because all I could think about when the guys were coming back into the house from the mixer was like. Like, they. They're coming into the women wilding out. Whereas on our season, the men. The men were coming in. Yeah. They were so cocky. Coming in the house, just ready for lies. Kids just mouthful of, like, ready to lie. Ugh.

[Sandy]

Yeah. Ew.

[Co-host]

Anyway, hot takes on this. Who do you think is playing the best game so far?

[Sandy]

The best game? I mean, why do I want to say Dave? Maybe he's just, like, playing the game.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

But I don't know if it's the best.

[Co-host]

I would. I would say, like, Ali. Something about the fact that she has all these men in her pocket. Like, I feel like she's always safe. If Jimmy doesn't pick her, there's someone else. Like, I feel like she is so, like, I don't know. She's just got the men.

[Sandy]

Well, I think it's because like, it's not just a surface level. Like, flirty play. Like, she's. She cuts deep.

[Co-host]

Like, she's sitting on laps.

[Sandy]

She's connecting.

[Co-host]

She's cuddling. Like, snuggling.

[Sandy]

She's connecting their birth charts, like she has it all. And I think with men, they're like.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

You know, they feel more intense with her. So she is probably playing a smart game. Yeah. She's got some options.

[Co-host]

Which match do you think is the least compatible? Yemen and Natalee, by far.

[Sandy]

Yeah, you think? Yeah. They're just friends.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

Let's be real.

[Co-host]

Yeah, it's cute, but I don't see anything there.

[Sandy]

It's just like, if you guys were gonna date, you probably would have dated in the real world, right? You guys knew each other. You're on the same show, like nothing's happened. Why now?

[Co-host]

Yeah, you know, same. Who do you think has a chance at making it work outside of the. The show?

[Sandy]

Maybe Allison and Jimmy. Maybe Damari and Marissa.

[Co-host]

Uhhuh.

[Sandy]

I could see that.

[Co-host]

Yeah. I can't see that.

[Sandy]

No. You can't?

[Co-host]

No. Okay. No.

[Sandy]

Why?

[Co-host]

I just. I don't know. I just feel like, again, they're in two different books.

[Sandy]

Yeah, they are. Where does he live?

[Co-host]

No idea.

[Sandy]

Yeah, I mean, she's in D.C. right?

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

Yeah. That's my. That's my concern with her. Like, with them. I don't think that they're like.

[Co-host]

It would be cute.

[Sandy]

It would be cute. And I think, especially in the beginning, I'm like, okay, they have a strong relationship, like, a strong connection. That's the reason I could see, potentially,

[Co-host]

does he have a strong connection, or is Marissa really connected? Like, I just feel like she's such a lover girl, and maybe it's just me, but, like, whenever they're both on the screen, it's like she's doing the affection. She's, like, got her arm on him and rubbing on him and blah, blah, blah. Like, and he's there loving it. But I don't really see a lot of him being, like, doing anything.

[Sandy]

I was gonna actually say that because I think that she is really into him, and she makes it very known, and she's all about him.

[Co-host]

I think he's about her too. But he wants. I don't. I just don't.

[Sandy]

I just don't hear him or see him really saying these things. But again, we don't see all of it. We don't know. And I think he kind of, you know, they. They stay together or they. They keep choosing each other. So obviously, there's something there. But I wish I would see him maybe like, kind of obsess over her a little bit more.

[Co-host]

I just feel like there's more of him being irritated with her than there is of him being affectionate towards her. And I feel like he's kind to her. He's like, nice.

[Sandy]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

But I also feel like he's just irritated with her.

[Sandy]

Right. Well, she's probably like, like, too mature for him.

[Co-host]

I don't know. Yeah. Like, yeah, that's what I mean. Like, love is blind coded.

[Sandy]

She's just.

[Co-host]

She knows what she wants. I mean, she was just engaged. Like, yeah, what are we doing?

[Sandy]

He was just one too hot to handle.

[Co-host]

Right.

[Sandy]

Totally different vibe.

[Co-host]

Completely different.

[Sandy]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

What are your future predictions for the rest of the season? Just like, couple wise.

[Sandy]

I feel like probably most of the couples are going to stay together at this point. Like. Like, I would think so. I think Jimmy and Ali are going to be locked in there. There's probably gonna be a lot of that happens, but they're gonna end up staying together. I think Allison and Jimmy are like locked in. They're solid. Maybe they win.

[Co-host]

That would be.

[Sandy]

They might win.

[Co-host]

I'm rooting for them to win.

[Sandy]

I feel like they might win then because everyone else has to feel the same way a little bit. Like they're both being loyal. They're.

[Co-host]

They were both tempted.

[Sandy]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

And they both were like, no. They said hard boundaries and they stuck to the boundaries. Right. They're like, like, so cute. They're looking at each other.

[Sandy]

That's my prediction.

[Co-host]

That would be so Tea.

[Sandy]

I think Marissa and Damari will stay together.

[Co-host]

Yeah. To get to the end.

[Sandy]

To get to the end. I probably not actually make it out or have a real relationship. I don't know. We'll see. And then the rest of them, like, maybe they'll switch it up. I don't know.

[Co-host]

I'm rooting for love at the end of the day. I'm always wanting.

[Sandy]

What if somebody else gets engaged and has a baby?

[Co-host]

That would be so magical.

[Sandy]

You're like, no, that's my job.

[Co-host]

No, I want, like, I know, like, imagine a perfect match turned into a serious show.

[Sandy]

That would be crazy. You guys were like an exception.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

But imagine if there's like Perfect match babies outside of yours. There's all the love is blind babies.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

So many.

[Co-host]

That would be.

[Sandy]

Do you consider your guys's a love is blind baby or Perfect match baby

[Co-host]

or like, but the lovely perfect love is blind. Perfect match baby.

[Sandy]

Yeah, pretty much.

[Co-host]

I think I think she's a perfect match girly. Because love is blind is just so traumatic.

[Sandy]

Yeah.

[Co-host]

So, yeah. She's perfect match, baby.

[Sandy]

Good.

[Co-host]

Because her parents were the perfect match.

[Sandy]

That's right.

[Co-host]

Yeah. Well, I really appreciated you coming for your fourth time. Not fourth and final. Because I'm sure you'll be back. That's right.

[Sandy]

If you ever need a co host, obviously I'm here.

[Co-host]

You are the co host at this point. Like you are.

[Sandy]

I would love to. You know.

[Co-host]

Yeah. Next time we'll have you over here and we'll have contestants over there.

[Sandy]

Are we gonna do like a Perfect Match reunion?

[Co-host]

We should.

[Sandy]

Is that what you're thinking?

[Co-host]

Tag team them?

[Sandy]

Yeah, we should do it.

[Co-host]

We should.

[Sandy]

Because that would be tea.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

And there's no reunion.

[Co-host]

Well, again, thank you.

[Sandy]

Thank you.

[Co-host]

I love talking Perfect match with you. There's no one better to talk about this show with. Like, we clicked up from the beginning.

[Sandy]

We came into this. Later, we'll come out of the Perfect Match.

[Co-host]

When we lined up and walked through that door. We've been inseparable.

[Sandy]

I know. I love you so much.

[Co-host]

I love you too.

[Sandy]

That was my favorite whole experience of Perfect Match.

[Co-host]

Yeah.

[Sandy]

Walking in with you. Oh. Love it.

[Co-host]

And now you're my daughter's auntie.

[Sandy]

I know, baby girl. It's crazy.

[Co-host]

We've come so far.

[Sandy]

I know. Okay.

[Co-host]

I'll be back. Yeah, we'll be back. Maybe to discuss the rest.

[Sandy]

Yeah. We might need it too. Yeah.

[Co-host]

I love you, girl.

[Sandy]

Love you.

[Co-host]

And I love you guys. For tuning in to another episode of what's the Reality, Be sure to follow us on all social platforms at what's the Reality? Pod and we will see you next week. Bye, guys. What's the reality? What's the reality?

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