Reality Check: Girl Chat with Sandy & Rachel

Summary

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What's the Reality? — Reality Check: Girl Chat with Sandy & Rachel

Host: AD (of Love Is Blind)
Guests: Sandy & Rachel
Date: September 10, 2025

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Episode Overview

This lively "Girl Chat" episode brings reality TV alums Sandy and Rachel together with host AD for a candid, funny, and honest debrief of their experiences on "Perfect Match" and other reality shows. The trio catches up post-airing, spills behind-the-scenes tea, dissects the dynamics of love and relationships under the public eye, and gives commentary on current pop culture and reality TV, including the recent "Love Island" reunion. With plenty of listener-submitted dating stories and group advice peppered in, the episode feels like an inside look at authentic friendship, fame, dating, and reality TV culture.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Catching Up Post-Show & Airing

• [01:17] Official Debrief: The group notes this is their first real catch-up since the show's airing, saving all the tea for on-mic.
  • AD: "I put you on ice in the back. So we get to do this now."
• Rachel's Secret Post-Show Update: Rachel is pressed about a secret romance with Carrington that couldn't be revealed earlier due to NDA. She remains evasive, invoking Netflix's strict NDAs and her respect for everyone's feelings.
  • Rachel: "We're talking... I wanted to be respectful, like, of me and Ray's relationship." [04:16]

2. Sandy's "Hard Launch" & Relationship Evolution

• [06:24] Sandy's Relationship Goes Public: Sandy discusses finally being able to publicly share her boyfriend Greg after the show's release, highlighting the struggle of keeping relationships secret for the sake of NDAs.
  • Sandy: "He has to watch his girlfriend basically have like a public relationship with someone and he's basically being hidden. So that's been challenging..." [06:37]
• They reminisce on how she and Greg met, first as friends, turning romantic after a year.
  • Sandy: "He treats me like a queen. And he's the most loving, thoughtful, caring person... Like, it's the epitome of a true masculine man." [09:24]
  • AD: Jokes about their lavish dates—"Third date, like, if he wanted to, he would." [09:22]

3. Aftermath & Public Perception of Reality TV Relationships

• [10:54] On Show Ending: They contrast the drama and chaos of "The Bachelor" vs. "Perfect Match," describing how quickly the public attention fades post-release.
  • Rachel: "It's crazy how like, quickly it's just over because... we're anticipating for like a year." [11:32]
• Navigating Public Drama: Rachel opens up about the difficulty of presenting her story honestly (regarding Clayton) while also trying to avoid causing off-screen issues.
  • Rachel: "I've just been dealing with a lot of trying to make everyone happy in my interview with, like, also still saying my side, which I feel like I'm entitled." [13:01]
  • Discussion of "unfollowing" and social media drama post-show.

4. Pop Culture & Reality TV Commentary

• [15:07] Love Island Reunion Reactions: The group critiques the reunion as lackluster and insubstantial.
  • Rachel: "I thought they all looked bored. There was nothing revealed. Like, seeing the behind-the-scenes clips were, like, interesting, but I feel like no one took any accountability." [15:26]
• The Bombshell Issue: Comparison of "Perfect Match" to "Love Island"—wishing "Perfect Match" contestants had the same ability as "Love Island" bombshells to watch the house and strategize.
  • "I wish there was a camera in that hotel... I think there is more happening in that hotel than..." [17:13] — Rachel

5. Relationship Realities: Pressures & Pitfalls

• [21:13] Why Couples Struggle After Show: A frank discussion of why TV couples often don't last.
  • AD: "It's hard to survive that year... when the world is watching... a lot of the Love Island couples are like, falling apart..." [21:13]
• Temptations & Male Ego: The women reflect on how public attention, especially for men unused to it, can damage fledgling relationships.
  • "These men go crazy after the show. They do, because they get a lot of attention." — Sandy [22:53]

6. Authenticity, Social Media, and Audience Participation

• [24:19] Social Media Dynamics: All agree reality TV "is for the girls," discussing their overwhelmingly female followings and how they curate their social media presence.
• [27:41] Oversaturation of Dating Shows: All acknowledge that the glut of dating shows airing simultaneously dilutes individual show impact, making it harder to stand out.
• [27:44] Hypothetical Audience Voting: What if the public got to vote on "Perfect Match" outcomes?
  • "Imagine with your ex almost fiance within the first hour you were there. That's not boring." — Sandy [28:15]

7. Listener Dating Stories: Group Commentary

• [30:21 and ff] Listener submissions:
  • Stephanie S's nightmare: Her date arrested by federal agents for burglary—"Blessing in disguise!" — Sandy [31:48]
  • Jordan's story: He asks her for gas money after a few dates—"Sandy's man drives a jet. I'm asking her for jet fuel money." — Rachel [32:36]
  • Shannon G: Her date has a "Labubu" collection—immediate red flag: "He has a girlfriend." — Rachel [38:29]

8. Deeper Dive: Rachel & Carrington “Ship”

• [42:11 and ff] Rachel Opens Up—Sort of: After repeated prodding, Rachel details that Carrington DMed her post-Bachelor, and they later connected on "Perfect Match," but nothing romantic developed during the show. Off-air, their connection remained ambiguous, with Rachel wary of speaking more.
  • Rachel: "We've always just, like, had a connection. It's crazy because he DMed me before Perfect Match... but we've always just been friends." [42:11–44:50]
  • "I wish I could be like, oh, it's going so great, but that's okay." — Rachel [45:54]
• She echoes a recurring theme: The difficulties of living authentically under NDA and post-airing scrutiny.

9. Reflections on Returning for Another Season

• None would return for another "Perfect Match" season, agreeing they got their fill the first time.

  • "I was lucky I got into that villa as it was. I'm, like, I'm retiring." — Rachel [47:37]

• The group proposes show tweaks and jokes they’d make great producers.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• AD on production secrecy:
  "Anybody that knows reality tv, I put them on ice in the back. So we get to do this now." [01:30]

• Rachel on NDAs:
  "Netflix's NDA is very tight... I wanted to obviously be respectful, like, of me and Ray's relationship." [04:28]

• Sandy on being hidden pre-launch:
  "It's been such a stressor in my relationship just like waiting for this show to come out...he's basically being hidden." [06:37]

• On men and social media:
  Sandy: "These men go crazy after the show. They do, because they get a lot of attention." [22:53]
  Rachel: "It really takes someone not on social media, like, not looking." [24:11]

• On the gendered nature of reality TV:
  "I don't know, I just. I feel like reality TV is for the girls." — Sandy [24:26]

• Listener dating story responses:
  "Sandy's man drives a jet. I'm asking her for jet fuel money." — Rachel [32:36]
  "He has a girlfriend." — Rachel, about the Labubu collector [38:29]

• On reality TV oversaturation:
  AD: "We came out at a time where the block was hot, for sure." [27:03]

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Important Timestamps & Segments

• 01:17–05:00: Panel catch-up & Rachel/Carrington tea
• 06:24–09:44: Sandy’s hard launch and relationship dynamics
• 11:12–14:03: After-show experience, audience reaction, and social media fallout
• 15:07–16:15: Love Island reunion review
• 21:13–25:04: Relationship realities/pressures after reality TV
• 27:44–29:47: What if the public voted? Audience impact
• 30:21–39:01: Listener dating stories and group commentary
• 42:11–46:19: The real Rachel/Carrington backstory
• 47:36–49:55: Would they return? Advice for producers

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Tone & Style

• Authentic, irreverent humor balanced with real talk on the mental and emotional strain of public relationships
• Supportive, celebratory of each other (and women in reality TV)
• Self-aware and occasionally meta on the reality TV business
• Open about the limits of what can be shared, due to NDAs and respect for others
• Full of pop-culture and in-joke references for reality TV fans

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For Reality TV & Girl Chat Fans

Whether you’re here for the latest “Perfect Match” tea, want to know how reality stars feel after filming, or just want a group of honest, hilarious women dissecting love, drama, and pop culture, this episode delivers. You'll get a blend of vulnerable admissions, industry insight, and the kind of unfiltered advice you’d expect from your own girlfriends—plus, plenty of laughs.

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Transcript

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Long time no see for both of you.

[B]

They're sick of us.

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We're back. I'm sick of us.

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Yeah, but this is like in BE Girl Chat. So we're going to keep going for that.

[B]

I'm actually so excited.

[C]

We need to actually catch up.

[A]

No. Yeah. This is our actual first, like, catch up. Catch up. This is our official debrief post show airing.

[B]

We. We tried to catch up in the back and AD Told us we couldn't.

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So this. We really are saving all the tea.

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I put you on ice. Anybody that knows reality tv, I put them on ice in the back. So we get to do this now. Hi.

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Hi.

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Stunning friends, per usual. Okay, so. Rachel.

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Oh, hi. Hi.

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Last time you were here.

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Oh, my gosh. I'm scared.

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Be afraid.

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I'm sweating already.

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Last time you were here, you revealed a major life update to me. Obviously, we couldn't air because. Perfect match fully out yet. Carrington.

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I'm sorry.

[B]

Explain this, right, the. First of all, AD Was the only one who knew.

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Who knew what? Start from the beginning. Look at Sandy.

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I'm actually. I'm mad at you right now. Okay, listen, you need to spell.

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I don't know, you guys. Things just happen, all right? I feel like you guys. There was a vibe, like you knew.

[C]

No, I didn't.

[B]

Yes, you did. In Mexico. Remember?

[C]

With Carrington?

[B]

Yeah.

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God, I don't know. There was a kind of a lot of different matches. There was a lot going on. You never matched up with him, though, right?

[B]

No.

[C]

Okay, so tell me.

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So what?

[B]

So, yeah, I don't know. Well, this would have been easier, like, a week ago to talk about it. I don't know. I really don't last.

[A]

Well, when she was here.

[C]

Yeah.

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She dropped the bomb on me, and I was like, what the. The heli.

[C]

Okay, can we roll this box, please?

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Roll a clip. Did Carrington ever, like, try to connect with you after filming and stuff?

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I don't know.

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What do we.

[B]

I'm sweating. Please.

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What?

[B]

I don't know.

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You don't know what? Rachel, do. Do not piss me off. You don't know what? I don't know. Did you talk to Carrington?

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Should we call him? Should we put him in the key? Call him.

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Call him. Did you talk to him? Did you do more than talk to him?

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I don't know.

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Rachel. What's happening? What's happening?

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It's really hot here. Can we get some alcohol for me? Can we get a shot of tequila for me?

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Why am I. Why? What am I finding out right now?

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I don't know.

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Okay, I'mma keep asking you until you figure it out. You need to know something.

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I literally my pulse right now.

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Something to give me something.

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I don't know how much I can say. We're talking.

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We're talking. I know it's K. This is breaking news.

[B]

I wanted to be respectful of, like. Because the show was airing and we're very respectful of the show.

[A]

Yeah. So we didn't air NDA. Yeah.

[B]

Yes, we are Netflix. NDA is strong. That's. And I wanted to obviously be respectful, like, of me and Ray's relationship. I think Gray wanted the same thing.

[C]

So aren't they, like, besties?

[B]

Yeah.

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Wait, this is Tea. What? Wait. So. But what's been going on? Literally, catch me up.

[B]

There's nothing going on right now.

[C]

What? Something obviously is going on. Because I can't take these literally. Hand them over.

[B]

Because, Rachel, there's nothing going on. Like, they're.

[A]

So you guys had a thing and then the thing dissolved? Or is the thing not thinking?

[B]

I don't know. I don't know. Yeah.

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Rachel. Giving us nothing.

[B]

I have nothing to give. I don't know.

[A]

Okay, well, we'll. I'll let you think about. Okay, I'll let you think about that.

[B]

I just. Netflix's NDA is very tight Netflix, but.

[C]

Good thing none of this was actually on Perfect March. So we can talk about it.

[B]

Yeah, I know I would if I literally. If there was something to say just there right now.

[C]

Well, there was obviously A little fling, right.

[B]

Oh my God, I'm gonna cry.

[C]

Is this like a recent thing, like post Netflix party? Or is this before pre Netflix party?

[B]

Just like a little bit before the party.

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Did anything happen at Netflix party?

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I don't know.

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I trying to get the tea in real time right now, literally.

[B]

You were on the bus with us.

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Yeah. Nothing. I didn't think anything.

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She was looking hard enough.

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I was in my own world. I had a lot going on.

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I was like, no. Yeah, we hopped in. We didn't get on the bus.

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Yeah, you're all had so much going on.

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Absolutely not.

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Oh my God.

[B]

I wish like I had more to say.

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You know what?

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There's nothing to say.

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How about this? I'm going to give you a breath, let you take a break. Sandy, how about you and I'm going to come to you.

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Sorry.

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Right. You've officially hard launched our boy Greg.

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Yes.

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Congratulations.

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Thank you. Oh my God.

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Loved up.

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It's like finally.

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Yeah. How's this?

[B]

Yeah.

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How's it feel to be able to finally share him with everyone?

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Oh my God. I mean it feels good because it's been, you guys know, it's been such a stressor in my relationship just like waiting for this show to come out and then watching everything unfold. And like for him, you know, it's. He has to watch his girlfriend basically have like a public relationship with someone and he's basically being hidden. So that's been challenging in our relationship. So now that we're just on the other side, it's been literal, like Cloud.

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Nine and this was the hardest launch I've ever seen. Like, you, you launched him every second of every minute of every day.

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And I like everything.

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No, every story.

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She's in Mexico getting massages.

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Wait, so you posted that's where y' all met?

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Yeah.

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Okay, so.

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Okay, so we actually met in, at his house in Mexico. It was from my friend, one of my girlfriends, like casual flex.

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His house is so annoying.

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Right, right, right, right, right.

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So we met at his mansion in Mexico.

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Well, okay. Well, we met on a trip in Mexico. It was for one of my friends birthdays. And I randomly went like I was not gonna go. I literally bought my flight the night before and it was super spontaneous. It was right when I got back from the ultimatum and I was like heartbroken, traumatized, you know, so just kind of went there, made a bunch of friends and met him, obviously. But we were just friends for like a year, so him and I actual friends. Like, I wouldn't even give him the time to date.

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Flirty friends.

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Freaky.

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Like, I knew that he was interested. He definitely. Because he would flirt with me, but I wouldn't give him the time of day. He's like the type of guy that a lot of girls throw themselves onto, you know, So I just. I have no interest in that. And I just wasn't giving him really any attention. But we were just friends for like a year, and then randomly, I don't know, we just kind of like, crossed over and he asked me out. We went on a date.

[A]

Does he live here?

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He's in Orange County.

[A]

Okay, that's interesting.

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What was the first date? I feel like it's gonna be something crazy.

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Well, we went to this, like, really.

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Private jet to Jupiter, and I just.

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Hung out in outer space for a while.

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No, but he did take me.

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No, but we did go to his private island.

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That's where we went.

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I'm screaming.

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She's like, it's not.

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She's like, you're not that far off. Where did he take you?

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No, no, no. First date, we just went to this really, like, cute sushi spot in Orange County. It's like this. Whatever. It's a special place. And then. But on our third day, he did surprise me for a helicopter ride. And we went to Santa Barbara.

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Casual.

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Was it his helicopter?

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No, it was not. It was not.

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Well, but we love him.

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Yeah, I love him. That's how he should be treated. You should be on helicopters.

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And third date, like, if he wanted to, he would.

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He would. And no, he's. Honestly, it's not about any of that stuff, truly. He treats me like a queen. And he's the most, like, loving, thoughtful, caring person. Like, it's the epitome of, like a true masculine man where, like, they just look to see how they can make your life easier and, like, just help you.

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Yeah.

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And I don't know, I've just never had that before. Like, I've dated men that quite literally give the bare minimum. And so it's so nice to finally be with someone who, like, puts me in my feminine and, like, allows me to just, like, turned my brain off. And he just kind of.

[B]

You can tell you are too, and you're feminine. Just watching you.

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That's why I'm so, like, mushy, gushy. I'm never like that. I am, you know, I. I kind of keep my walls up and I'm. I like to be, you know, dominant a little bit, but he just puts me, like. I'm just. I'm like, head over heels for him, so.

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Cuz I feel like we've seen that side of you, like more dominant, like.

[C]

Yeah. Where I have to like B or, you know, be, you know, super on it. So it. It's been really nice and I think that's why I'm just like loving the. The hard launch era and just my lover girl era. Just being like, I don't know, just happy and in love and you deserve it.

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Thank you for your fourth world now.

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Oh, my God.

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Yeah. Your fourth trip back or what are we on now? Fifth trip back on. What's the reality you got to bring up?

[C]

Yeah, actually, yeah.

[B]

Kevin flies helicopter and landed on him landing.

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Stop it.

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So, okay, how do we feel now that the show is full, fully aired? How we feeling?

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I mean, I feel good.

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I'm.

[C]

It's. It was. It was such a fun experience, like just doing it with you guys and so kind of reliving it, watching it back. It was really fun for me and I think it's been nice. Now that everything's out in the open, we can kind of just like lay it all out there and talk about it. But I feel good.

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Yeah.

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How do you feel, Rachel?

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I mean, it's. I feel like I was expecting, like, it to be crazier.

[A]

In what way?

[B]

I don't know. Just coming from. The only thing I know is Bachelor and every season.

[A]

Yeah.

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Insane. It does go a little bit longer, but this felt like it was just like all at once. And then it's just like.

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It's like radio silence now.

[B]

Yeah. It's crazy how like, quickly it's just over because it's like we anticipating for like a year.

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I know that's the hard guys I live for.

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I live for the aftermath. I live for the silence. Like, I know for it to just like, especially now being like pregnant and engaged. I'm like, I don't want to hear it.

[C]

Right.

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I don't want to see another comment, another dm. I want the show to stop. I want to stop. Like, you know when you're like, cleaning your house and you have like your rogue Goku on or like Netflix on and then you just scroll yourself and then you just pop yourself. And I'm just like, I just want to mop my floor without a reminder.

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Oh, yeah, I know.

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Like, just keeps popping right. It's like, I know I'm enjoying this.

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It's a hot picture of you, though.

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It is hot.

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So I looked.

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It was you and Clayton.

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Great.

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They have the rotation going.

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Yeah.

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So I know every time I see that. Like, this is great, because, you know, you just scroll on. Yeah. There's me and my ex, who I'm fighting with right now. Like, love that.

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But is there any drama since the show aired that we haven't that I don't know about? Any tea that we have to address?

[B]

I'm trying to think since it ended.

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I feel like all the tea is with us. Like, you and your guys. Me and mine.

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Yeah. Like, yeah.

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Kind of every. I don't know. Right.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I feel like last time I was here, it was like, I was really going through it with Clayton. Like, that was, like, really actually so hard on me. He's never come at me sideways like that.

[C]

Did he actually say something to you? I haven't even talked to you about this.

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Well, we didn't really speak, and he watched things back and didn't like what I was saying in my interview, which, again, I mean, we spoke on that. I think I was fine. I think I was nice. But he doesn't like the way I was speaking about him in my interview. So I feel like I've just been dealing with a lot of, like, trying to make everyone happy in my interview with, like, also still saying my side, which I feel like I'm entitled.

[A]

So after you do an interview, do you then go back and, like, chat with the guy?

[B]

No, I don't.

[A]

They will chat to me.

[B]

And, like, you're like, dude, yeah, Clayton had his side. And we're just going back and forth.

[A]

And is it done or are we still.

[B]

I think it's done. We talked finally after his interview, and I was like, we have, like. I'm like, I'm going on ads.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm going to say what you mean, and that needs to be the end of it.

[A]

Right?

[B]

And you talk for, like, an hour, you. And yeah. And he even confirmed it. He was like, this was the reason. This is my lifestyle. And I'm like, all right, this needs to be done. Like, so I've done, like, interview sense. And I'm like, we just can't touch on this. I need this over.

[A]

No, I feel. Right.

[B]

That's been like.

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Well.

[C]

And then you guys, you know, unfollowed each other, right?

[B]

No, he unfollowed me.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

And then refollowed me. I didn't. The unfollowing. The boys. Yes, the boys this season with the unfollowed.

[C]

Unfollow.

[A]

Wait, who's getting unfollowed? Oh, well, you unfollowed you.

[B]

Every girl on our.

[C]

Well, I unfollowed Louie too, But Louis unfollowed everybody.

[A]

Well, he never followed me. I never followed him.

[C]

Oh, he didn't.

[A]

I never followed him.

[C]

Don't you think that's kind of weird?

[B]

Well, I just.

[A]

I never had a reason to because.

[B]

They were like, on.

[C]

You guys weren't friends together?

[A]

I mean. Yeah, I didn't follow him because, like, NDA stuff. And then after, there was no need for me to be like, oh, what's he up to? Well, we're fine. Louie and I are fine. But I never had.

[C]

I don't know why he. Was he following you before, though?

[B]

Yeah, I mean, me and Lucy. Lucy messaged me because you guys, and.

[C]

I was like, oh, here.

[B]

I don't know if that was it. Did we all.

[C]

Would it be?

[B]

I feel like it's just the show's over and he wasn't feeling it.

[A]

Well, let's give him a reason to unfollow. As you know, we all just watched the Love island reunion.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Why do you look pissed off?

[C]

Oh, no, I'm not.

[B]

Do you have anything else to say about it?

[A]

No, I don't have. No. I have no job.

[C]

No, no, we said enough. We're good.

[B]

I know. Haven't we all?

[A]

Okay, so y' all watch the reunion? Oh, yeah, the Love island reunion yesterday.

[C]

A little bit, yeah.

[A]

Okay, so. Well, one. What you think of it?

[B]

I thought they all looked bored. There was nothing revealed. Like, seeing the behind the scenes clips were, like, interesting, but I feel like no one took any accountability. They just seemed like who they want accountability from. I just feel like they were all talking about each other after the season and then. Yeah, Andy or Ariana would be like, what did you mean by this? And they're like, oh, it didn't mean anything.

[A]

So no one stood on business.

[B]

Yeah. Clock in.

[C]

Except Andy. Andy did, and he's really business. That's why they brought him right in there.

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He did. I was taking notes. I was like, ooh.

[C]

I was thinking, she's so, like, spicy. But then like, you kind of think that he's your friend, but he'll go right on it.

[B]

Yeah, great. What did you think? It was kind of boring.

[A]

I would. It was long. It was a little bit slow, but I did, like, there was a lot of cast on the couch, but I think I feel away because, like, obviously, like, Perfect Match and Love island have a similar, like, kind of format where it's like, there's the main cast and then there's bombshells. Yeah. And then it's Kind of like, you don't really. I don't really want to hear that side of the show. If you were there for like three minutes or less, it's kind of like.

[C]

Well, we know how it is being just through our experience where it's like people that are not in the house and then they get to cast a vote and whatever, and you're like. But you actually don't even.

[A]

You don't even know. That's what I do. Wish that, like, perfect match had TVs. Like, how the. The Bombshells get to.

[C]

Oh, they get to watch.

[A]

Yeah, they get to watch. Like, they know exactly what's going on in the house so that when they come in, they know who to target or who they like or blah, blah, blah.

[C]

Why the hell don't we do.

[A]

Why don't. Like. I wish that they got an opportunity to see, like, what the hell is going on.

[B]

I wish there was a camera in that hotel. Cuz I would like to know. I. I would like to know what's being said. What is happening. I think there is more happening in that hotel than.

[C]

What do you think?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What do you think's happening? I don't know. I heard some crazy things. I was in the hotel a minute.

[A]

I don't know. Rachel, now say it one more time.

[B]

NDA.

[A]

We're.

[B]

The NDA. Crazy. I feel like I'm the only ones. I'm like, I heard this. And everyone's like, I know.

[A]

I haven't heard anything.

[C]

I don't hear anything.

[A]

We're in our love bubbles.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I feel like you are.

[B]

I'm not looking for it. I just.

[C]

I'm.

[B]

Right.

[A]

What did you hear? Give us. You don't have to say names. Just like, what? Like some freaky, weird.

[B]

There was something happening.

[C]

Obviously. People were hooking up. What else would be happening, right?

[B]

I don't know though. Allegedly.

[A]

Can we get an I don't know account for Rachel?

[C]

Yeah, let's start. Let's.

[B]

I hear everything and then I'm the only one who's saying, like, I heard this. Then everyone's like, I can't be the only one.

[A]

Is there anything you saw? Because you were there.

[B]

I was in the hotel. And it's funny because I. It's like we all talk and then I forget. I'm like, oh, I wasn't in the house. Like, I wasn't in the house for a while.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But no, I've. I feel like I went in pretty quickly. Thank you, Ad.

[C]

But you were in.

[B]

I'm not Original cast. I'm like a. Technically.

[A]

I think you're og.

[C]

You're the first bombshell.

[B]

You guys were saying that. I love you guys for saying that, but it's the same deal. Yeah, but I'm technically not.

[A]

What went on in that hotel? Would we be surprised if you said it? I don't know. I was there for 24 hours, and then I was back at the house. I don't know.

[B]

And we were messaging you the whole time. We were like, what's going on? Get back to this house.

[A]

Okay, so back to this reunion. Did y' all think it was funny when Huda refused to answer Andy's question about Louis and then said, for legal reasons, Netflix, like, her whole thing with Netflix, and said she couldn't answer? I thought that was so funny. I thought that was so funny.

[B]

I was so fanny. I'm like, are you watching this?

[C]

I got, like, 17 text messages about that.

[A]

That was so funny.

[B]

But by the time this was airing, they knew it would have been over. Yeah, they know the air date. And also, I just don't think Netflix, like, care.

[C]

I don't think she would have said that unless Netflix.

[B]

Oh, they actually said something. I don't know, because it feels like we saw a lot when there was still an nd when the show was, like, just airing. We saw it all happening. And now she's like, well, yeah, because they.

[C]

And they weren't supposed to do that, obviously, because he was in violation of the contract.

[B]

Does anyone talk to Louie?

[A]

No.

[C]

No.

[B]

No one knows?

[A]

No.

[B]

Did he actually get talk, like, talked to by Netflix?

[A]

I' ma put you on, nephew.

[B]

All right.

[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

Allegedly.

[C]

Imagine if we all got out of the house right away, and then this started rolling. Like Love island.

[B]

And so much imagine.

[C]

Like, what do you think would be, like, different I'm like, all of us would be like, booed up and I don't know, just so interesting.

[B]

I don't know. It would be.

[A]

It would be a mess.

[C]

It would be a mess.

[A]

It would be a mess because then it would be like, okay, everybody broke up. Everybody, like, nobody. It's. It's hard to survive that, that year. It's hard to survive. So hard that year. Like when it's just you two. Trust me, I know. And then it's even harder to try when the world is watching. And that's why I feel like a lot of the, like, Love island couples are like, falling apart. Like, apparently since the reunion has aired, Amaya and Brian and Iris and Pepe are like broken up. Right.

[C]

I saw.

[A]

Because they don't have that time followed.

[C]

Each other or something.

[B]

I think there's a lot of pressure to be together. There is at the reunion.

[A]

There is.

[B]

You had a reunion for Love Is Born as well.

[C]

For Ultimatum. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I feel like it's like embarrassing for me at least I had someone that cheated before a reunion.

[A]

Well, I always like to be together, cuz I got.

[B]

Yeah, you were.

[A]

Yeah, it was done.

[C]

But you had someone that cheated that, that I knew. I know.

[A]

Remember?

[B]

It's crazy, but it's like, it feels like, oh, I failed.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you really want to have that relationship that the public is rooting for and. And then you show up and you're like, oh, it didn't work out because of him. Like, I don't know. I felt really bad for Amaya. I felt like there might have been something that went on that she feels like pressure to kind of like, stand by him. Yeah.

[A]

I'm wondering what that tea is.

[C]

That's crazy. Do you think that they were holding out until the reunion aired and then, then it's like now everything is up so that they can.

[A]

Maybe they looked lovey dovey at the reunion. They were so booed up.

[B]

But so true.

[A]

That's tv.

[B]

But what's the lapse in judgment? Like pouring shots. They said he was pouring shots. I just feel like maybe she felt like she had to be like, stand by your man.

[A]

Like, stick beside him.

[B]

Yeah. These men go crazy after the show. They do.

[C]

Because they get a little like. Well, they get a lot of attention.

[B]

Because it's female based.

[C]

Yeah, exactly. So these guys are getting way more attention than they would ever get.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Anywhere.

[B]

They don't know how to handle it.

[C]

And they're like, oh my God. And they have these like, amazing, like 10.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And they're like, still want to go run around and do God knows what.

[A]

But that's a lot of show and they're a lot. They're young. Yeah.

[C]

How old is everybody on the Cows?

[A]

Like, I don't know is like. I think Ace is 22.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't know.

[C]

I don't think anyone's in their 30s.

[B]

Shelly's 27. Isn't she the oldest?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

So just either way younger than me, I'm still like, right.

[C]

So. So imagine just running around, getting out of the villa and like having like a million followers and then like probably 5 million DMS, you know, it's just like not.

[B]

It's so hard too. Like, I remember even when I was still with my ex fiance, like I would go through his comments and he would like, like a girl would say something about him and it's like, how do you make it work when.

[A]

Right.

[B]

It really takes someone not on social media, like, not looking.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You have to be like in your own lane. I feel like.

[A]

But how do you find a man that like, wants to be on TV and then is not on social media?

[C]

Right.

[A]

I don't even think that man exists cuz it's like, yeah, you're out here for a reason. Like.

[C]

Exactly.

[A]

I don't think he exists.

[C]

I don't know, I just. I feel like reality TV is for the girls.

[B]

It really is. And if you get lucky, like you.

[C]

Yeah, but.

[B]

Yeah, but it does for the girls.

[A]

Like a.

[C]

Like you guys are like a power duo, you know, I think it just works so well. But like, even. Yeah, like all the comments, I'm thinking about that because I'm like, I go through and I try to like all the comments again, but they're all female.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

If guys comment stuff, I delete them. Don't like them. Yeah.

[A]

I still comment on my stuff.

[C]

Right, though. Because it's.

[A]

Yeah, my. Literally. Yeah. My ratio is like 98.

[C]

Yeah, 97. And I love it.

[A]

I love it. It.

[C]

It's so good.

[A]

This is not for the boys. Are y' all watching any other shows? Is there anything else out right now?

[B]

I'm watching Love is Blind uk.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Are you watching? Yeah.

[C]

I haven't started it yet. Have you? How is it?

[A]

It is a show.

[C]

Is it?

[B]

Of course. Yeah. I feel like last season I went back and watched Freddie and Ollie season after Perfect Match and I feel like that one was a little better.

[A]

Why?

[B]

I don't know the couples this season, I just, I don't see it for Anyone except for one.

[A]

Who?

[B]

Barda and Jet. They're cute. I do think they're gonna make it. Everyone else, I don't see making it at all. So it's like, I feel like I'm watching for no reason. Oh, you know, I don't know.

[A]

No, keep watching. I'm loving it. It's so interesting to see being so far removed and then also it being another country and also it being Ollie show as well.

[C]

I want to watch it now just because of that. Yeah. And I mean, obviously, we love. Love is Blind. I just haven't really been watching TV that much, to be honest.

[A]

On a jet, on a yacht somewhere.

[B]

Yeah. She's like, I don't have time for.

[A]

That for you little kid games.

[C]

Okay, stop. No, I just feel like after being on reality tv, I see reality TV a little bit different.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So I'm less like, oh, my God, let me sit down and binge all of this, because I just. I just know it differently.

[A]

I feel.

[B]

You know what I mean?

[A]

I feel that my soul.

[C]

Yeah. It's like. And I love reality tv.

[A]

Yeah, me too. I'm waiting for housewives to come back. Then I can be. Now I can. Then I can refocus. Yes. Yes. This is a lot. Yeah, it's a lot. And it's weird that it's like, I was trying to kind of explaining to, like, Ollie. It's a weird time to be, like, a reality show cast member in this specific time. Like when your show comes out in the summer with Love island and every other love dating show. It is. It's a lot.

[C]

It is a lot.

[A]

It's a lot more saturated. It is. It is. And so it's like every bit of drama is compared. And this happened on this, and this happened. And it's just like, we came out at a time where the block was hot, for sure. It is.

[C]

Definitely. I feel like it's had an impact on the show a little bit, and just, like, you know, the viewership or whatever. Same thing with, you know, all these other shows. There's just so many out. I'm like, I can't even. I don't know where to start.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, it's hard versus, like, sometimes there's these dry spells where there's one show and it's like everybody's watching it, you know?

[B]

Yeah. You never know what's gonna be, like, popular.

[A]

Imagine if America got to vote for a perfect match.

[C]

That's weird.

[B]

That would actually be so cool.

[C]

I think people are used to, like, actually having being able to participate in these shows. And, like, they weren't obviously for ours, so it's like, it's their.

[A]

Who do you think would be voted off first?

[C]

Voted off?

[B]

I would be out first.

[A]

Why?

[B]

I was boring.

[A]

Shut.

[C]

No, you weren't.

[B]

Yes. Everyone says I'm being boring. I'm like, okay, what did they want you to get?

[C]

There's a difference between sweet and boring.

[B]

Yeah, but I feel like you guys all, like, you're like, badass.

[C]

But imagine with your ex almost fiance within the first hour you were there. That's not boring.

[A]

No. Imagine, like, we're not able to see what America sees. Right. So then they vote us couples best to worst, and you're thinking that you're in some loving relationship, and then they're like, Ad and Ollie last. I would be like, right.

[B]

What am I not seeing?

[A]

What did I miss?

[C]

Like, what that would be.

[A]

That would change the whole game.

[C]

I definitely don't think that the public would vote for Lucy and Daniel.

[A]

Right.

[C]

Because they weren't have voted for Lucy and Danielle. I know.

[B]

And everyone's, like, mad about it. And I'm like, they did not. I don't feel like I can't speak for Daniel, but I don't think they wanted to win, do you? Knowing them, I mean, I think they.

[C]

Were, like, down to win, but I don't know.

[B]

I don't think Lucy was ready to go on that trip.

[C]

I mean. Yeah.

[B]

Even when they won. So I don't know.

[C]

It's so interesting.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I think the public would have maybe thought, like, obviously you two and winning, but then, like, Madison and Freddie, I know they were like, they were pretty solid couple. And then you and Louis were a really solid couple, but I feel like they didn't show.

[C]

Yeah, they show all the good moments.

[B]

Because you guys were like.

[C]

I mean. Yeah, yeah. He would be running on the car.

[B]

And try to kiss you and like, Louie would always be in the girls area, like, trying to find you.

[A]

I feel like it's hard because opinions are already formed of us from our previous show.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

So it's like, no matter. Even if you and Louis were like, if he was like, with you and dedicated to you from the beginning, his. Yeah. Who. His reputation was already set. So I don't even think if they didn't like us, they didn't, like, they already knew they didn't like us. So I guess that's what makes us a little bit different.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Which I'm kind of okay with.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, let's switch gears a bit and let's do craziest dating stories from listeners. So we had people write in and tell us some of their craziest stories, and we're just gonna chat about it.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

I love this.

[A]

Yeah. Okay. So this story was sent in by Stephanie S. She said, I went on a date with a man I'd been talking to for weeks. He asked me out for some drinks. We were talking and walking around the city. We got stopped by the police, who turned out to be federal agents. They asked him if he had a warrant out for his arrest. He said no, but it turned out he did.

[B]

How would they know that?

[A]

For burglary. He ended up getting arrested right then and there and was locked up for the next few months.

[C]

Let leave him there.

[B]

How did they know that he was wanted?

[C]

Like, because he has a warrant out for his arrest.

[B]

So they know what their pictures look like.

[A]

The feds, by the time you get.

[C]

To the federal, they're looking for.

[A]

Yeah, the federal agents. They're not just. It's not just, oh, town.

[C]

This is the first date.

[A]

Yeah. This is date number one. I wonder if he hit her up.

[B]

After he got out. Like, hey, you know he did.

[A]

Are you. Do you want to go?

[C]

Sorry about that.

[A]

Anyways, imagine, though, you're walking down the street.

[C]

No, that's crazy.

[A]

I wonder if it was a scene. Like, all the cars pulled up and, like.

[C]

And they arrested him right then and there. They just. They just took him off her hands.

[A]

No, that's crazy. That's a nightmare.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[C]

Blessing in disguise.

[A]

I wonder if he hit him up. Hit her up? Stephanie, we need to know.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, he had time to just sit there and think about it for months.

[A]

Burglary.

[C]

That's crazy.

[B]

He's like, I'm changed.

[A]

Sorry, Stephanie. I'm sorry that happened to you. Okay. This story was sent in by the girly Jordan. She said, after two months of dating and claiming he loves feminine women, he asked me for gas money.

[C]

Why? Like, I drove to your house. Can you, like, give me 10 bucks for gas?

[A]

For gas money?

[C]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Yeah. How would you feel if a man asked y' all for gas money?

[C]

I think you know how we would feel.

[B]

Sandy is.

[A]

Sandy's man drives a jet.

[B]

I'm asking her for jet fuel money.

[C]

Solve it right now.

[B]

It's like, I heard Netflix pays a.

[A]

Guy for gas money.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[A]

That's actually embarrassing.

[B]

I just. Like, that's crazy. Just walk.

[A]

No, Uber.

[B]

That's just crazy. Is it even his car?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Like, I Just feel like men, they're pushing it a little too far these days. They really are.

[A]

The asks are getting wild.

[B]

It's. It's getting a little wild. It. I don't know.

[C]

Have guys ever asked you for, like, things like, to pay for, like.

[B]

No, I feel like when I have.

[C]

To, like, it's not even about, like, it's like, I'll go 5050 on some stuff. I don't care. But, like, when. Don't ask relationship.

[A]

You didn't go 5050 on the churros.

[C]

Okay, not that the pinky up.

[B]

Me and AJ are eating bug belly full of bugs.

[C]

Guys, I was shook also.

[B]

Like, she took one for her man.

[A]

In Mexico.

[B]

Well, in my defense, I thought it was gonna get worse as the plates went on. Like, I thought that worsened crickets. We had a date when we were on the Bachelor. We were eating, like, cow brains and eyeballs and fish heads. That's actually what the fuck. Yes. So I thought it was. Everyone was gonna be worse.

[A]

Of those things that you just listed, did you eat?

[B]

We had to eat all of them. We ate. For what?

[C]

For the bad or for Fear Factor?

[B]

For Clayton on a group date.

[C]

Then someone put this girl.

[B]

I didn't win, but I did get the crusade rose.

[C]

So, Rachel, you impressed me. I don't know where this, like, passive energy came from within you.

[B]

I was partnered up with someone from Love island and he was convinced. Him and Scott were convinced. Do you remember that someone was getting kicked out that night? And he was the last challenge. He's like, rachel, we don't win. We're getting voted out tonight. And I was like, okay, like, I guess we gotta win. I was partnered up with all the love guys.

[C]

They were getting in my head to be bothered.

[A]

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[C]

Yeah, the drop challenge. The drop one.

[B]

So fun.

[A]

And Ray was out. What question number one. Yes. What was the question?

[B]

Are you a cheerleader ever? A cheerleader? And they look at him, they're like, was Rachel?

[A]

And he said, true or false? Rachel was a cheerleader. And he goes, nah, false. And literally plummets into the water.

[B]

And we're all like.

[A]

I literally think I said bye. Like, out loud. Like, as soon as he said false, I was like, bye.

[B]

I feel like just putting two and two together.

[C]

Yeah. Like I said, common sense, context clues.

[B]

What was the question? He was like, about beef Wellington.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Do they like to make beef?

[C]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Remember yours?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

What is Sandy's?

[C]

My guilty. Your guilty pleasure.

[A]

Was it like, Adam Sandler?

[C]

Like Adam Sandler and pickles on pizza? Well, he goes, it was pickles on pizza.

[A]

And Adam, he's like, I know she loves Adam Sandler.

[C]

He goes, well, I know she loves. I know she loves pickles and I know she loves Adam Sandler's. But it was false. I'm like, what?

[B]

I remember the moment that happened. I was like, are you kidding me? Oh, my gosh. That was such a fun challenge. Do you remember? It was like we were about to get on the platform and someone's platform, like, collapsed.

[A]

Yeah. It was like Madison or someone. It was random, but it was right next to Lucy and it just collapsed and we all scream.

[C]

Yeah. I was actually scared.

[A]

That was scary.

[B]

It was fun, though.

[C]

It was a fun one. I know. That was a good job.

[A]

Ollie and I ended up winning that.

[B]

And Ray went on a date, and Scott went on a date with QT and Hannah.

[A]

What a time.

[B]

That was crazy night.

[C]

And then they came back and I like, Hannah was like. They were like, how was your date with Scott?

[B]

She was like, I hate him.

[C]

He. I have zero attraction to him. In fact, like, he gives me, like, brother vibes and I want nothing to do with him.

[B]

And I was like, okay, that was a crazy night.

[A]

That Was a challenge. I wish that was still in because that was fun. Ollie and I did a bachata date after. It was so fun.

[C]

A what date?

[A]

Like bachata? Like dance class.

[C]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[A]

And they cut it out. This was sent in by Shannon G. She said, I recently had a second date, which led to drinks back at his place. I can't take this serious. When I walked into his apartment, I noticed he had a very large Labubu collection displayed in his living room.

[B]

Honestly, he has a girlfriend.

[A]

Frightened me to the point where I didn't even ask him about it. Since Labubus are super popular right now, should I give him another chance or is this a hard pass?

[B]

He has a girlfriend.

[C]

That ain't his la.

[A]

Somebody could.

[B]

He has a girlfriend.

[C]

I don't.

[B]

Did she go through the medicine cabinet?

[C]

Was there, like, go in the shower and see what kind of.

[B]

If there's tatcha in there.

[C]

Razors in there.

[B]

You gotta dig a little deeper.

[A]

We got some levels. Just on top of he's got a girlfriend. Yeah.

[B]

I always go through the medicine cabinet.

[A]

Do you? You gotta take a peek.

[B]

When I go into the bathroom, I always look.

[A]

You gotta take a peek.

[B]

Well, back in the day, one time, I was just opening and he had the entire Fenty skin line.

[A]

Oh, what?

[B]

Fenty? Yeah, Somebody cooked and I'm like.

[A]

Or somebody was living there.

[B]

I think so.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

That's election, though.

[A]

Like, what is hard pass? Even if. Even if he's not dating anybody, Even if there's no one, like, women involved. That's his thing. Hard pass. Hard pass.

[C]

Aren't they for, like, purses?

[A]

Yeah, yeah. They're like, charms.

[C]

So. Yeah. Why would he have them? I don't get the whole little boo boo thing.

[B]

I don't have.

[C]

I'm all about, like, fun new trends, but I just, like, literally don't understand, like, having this ugly little thing on my designer purse.

[B]

And they get, like, stolen.

[C]

People put them on Birkins.

[A]

Are they expensive?

[B]

I think they're expensive. I think they're like 50 bucks. Am I wrong?

[A]

Yeah. Either way, even if they were free, they're scary.

[C]

They're like little furbies.

[A]

I did like my furby.

[C]

Yeah. Like when we were like, five.

[A]

Yeah. But a man with a house full of boo boos couldn't be for me.

[C]

But a judgment for that. Yes.

[A]

Hard pass. But I don't know.

[C]

That's interesting, though. That's. That's a weird. I've never heard of a guy with a bunch of labubos.

[B]

I feel like that would happen in Los Angeles, though.

[A]

I hate saying Labubu.

[C]

Oh, I kind of love it. I love it.

[B]

What else should we talk about?

[C]

Oh, I feel like there's a lot to talk about. Well, I don't want to address things for her, but for, like, Lucy and Freddie, you guys, I have so many of my girlfriends. So many of my friends are asking me, like, is, are Lucy and Freddie dating?

[A]

No.

[C]

And I'm like, no, I don't think so. Right?

[B]

No, they're not. I. Lucy has a boyfriend.

[C]

Yeah, she has a boyfriend.

[B]

And Freddie, like, I feel like he.

[A]

You know, she just saw Bud on Instagram.

[C]

She soft launched him with a little potato Head.

[A]

She did.

[C]

I know.

[A]

I love it.

[B]

I feel like Freddie is. He's single, but he, like, dates. And then Lucy has a boyfriend, so.

[C]

Yeah. So they're not dating? No.

[B]

I think people really wanted Freddie.

[C]

They would actually.

[B]

And you know that how they love to, like, matchmake. So I think that was just. It's actually funny because they both posted a picture and it was outside of my house. I'm crying because they're staying in my apartment. They're like, Freddie was there in the same location. Yeah.

[C]

Stop, Freddie.

[B]

And I was like, okay.

[A]

So, Rachel. Yeah. I feel like I've given you enough time and you want to, like, get into other people's tea. I'm sorry, I just cannot close this out without you giving.

[B]

I just feel like if I had. Like, if I was in a better place right now, like, if we were, like, then I could speak on it. But because we're not, it feels like. See, I gotta fight.

[A]

I'm just gonna fight.

[C]

Can we just go through the fact that.

[A]

No.

[C]

Like, just walk me through what happened after the show.

[A]

Yeah. Not where you are right now.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Because how did we get here?

[B]

I feel like we've always just, like, had a connection. It's, like, crazy because he, like, DMed me before. Like, Perfect Match. Like, before we've even met.

[C]

Oh, what? That's.

[B]

Yeah, we talked about it on the show, but.

[C]

Oh, I didn't know that. Wait, so Carrington slid into your DMs before perfect match?

[B]

Like, I would say after Bachelor.

[A]

Wait, so did you know he was going to be on Perfect Match?

[B]

No, I didn't. And I forgot because, like, we. I think he just said, like, he said something and I said, like, thank you, and then we never spoke again. So I, like.

[A]

Hold on. So did he DM you pre. What show was he on?

[C]

Love island.

[A]

Did he DM you?

[B]

I'd have to look at. Wasn't that in 20? I think it was the same year.

[C]

Probably was, like, in your Bachelor.

[B]

Yeah, it was right after Bachelor. And then I forgot about it. And then we were talking and he brought it up, and he's like, I DM you. And I was like, I got so much anxiety because I was like. I don't remember if I replied what was said. Like, not that I, like, reply to all my DMs, but I was just like, okay, now I have to go check. And then they didn't give us our phones that night or the next day because they didn't want us talking to you because you knew, like, all the drama that happened. So I couldn't look at it. And I was just, like, thinking, have.

[A]

You had it since?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What did he say?

[B]

I think he just said, like, you look beautiful or something. And I was like, thank you. And it was like, 20, 21. And then we never spoke.

[C]

You didn't know who he was, though? At the time, I think I knew.

[B]

He was on Love Island. Like, I went to his profile, but, like, I didn't watch Love island, so I was just like, oh, he's cute. So I think that's why I said, like, thank you.

[A]

So he's had a crush for years.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Yeah, that's a crush.

[C]

Did he, like, come on to you in. In the house, though?

[B]

Did he, like, sh. Really like me?

[C]

He did. But you never matched up with him.

[B]

No, I was like, I don't know. Obviously, me and Ray were, like, really hitting it off. And then I, like, watched back and I was like, oh, he, like, was really interested. And, like, I don't know, it was, like, really sweet. And I thought it. I thought he really did like me during the show. So it was, like, really sweet to watch back.

[C]

That's cute. We love Carrington. Actually, a couple of my, like, friends and family, when we were watching it, they were like, why doesn't Rachel match up with him? Give him a shot. They're cute. And I was like, no, Mom. Like, they didn't match up.

[B]

But at the time, like, right. Me and Ray, like, really hit it off, and we were, like, really? It felt, like, very friendly. So I was, yeah, I want to feel comfortable. And, like, I did, like.

[A]

And we were just three days left, right?

[B]

And, like, again, it's just, like, it never developed past friendships. So it's hard for me to look back and be like, oh, this is how I felt. Because, like, we've always just been friends but, yeah.

[A]

And so today.

[B]

And so today we're still friends. We actually are. But. Yeah. I don't know. I think it's just, like, hard to speak on because. I don't know.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What's going on behind the scenes with that? I don't. I wish I, like, could sit here and, like, be like, this is all. But since we're like. I don't know. It's hard to, like, talk about it because then it's like, what's the point of.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Talking about it when you don't want.

[A]

To soft launch something that you don't. Right.

[B]

And, like, I was really excited. So then it's just like. I don't know. I was going so good, but now I don't know. So this is, like, worse because now I'm like, I don't want to, like, have everyone be like, oh, wait, have you.

[C]

What, have you guys gone on a date?

[B]

Like, we've seen each other. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like. But I don't know.

[C]

This is news.

[A]

I don't know, Count.

[B]

Like, I wasn't really talking about it. Like, we. The show was airing and it was just like, you know, as soon as you talk about something.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Yeah. I don't know.

[B]

I don't.

[A]

I don't know, Count. I don't know.

[C]

I think you guys would be cute.

[A]

I think. Yes.

[B]

Like, I wish I could be like, oh, it's going so great.

[A]

Like, but that's okay.

[B]

I know, but I don't want to, like, the world to know. It's like, because we. I don't know. I've been kind of talking about it, like, here and there.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I think some people kind of knew. Like, they just caught on. And then it was like, oh, now what? Well, it just seems.

[A]

We'll just wait and see. Yeah. There'll be either a soft launch of him or someone else.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Literally, we'll see.

[A]

Yeah. Time will tell.

[B]

I know. I wish I had more, but that's okay. You gave what you had.

[A]

Nothing. I'm kidding.

[B]

I don't have anything. There's nothing.

[A]

Do you guys feel like you've said everything that you needed to say about Perfect Match?

[B]

Yeah. How do you feel?

[C]

I mean, I feel like you kind.

[B]

Of got the short end, the stick a little bit. Because, like, you. You can't really talk about how you actually, like, feel about.

[C]

Oh.

[B]

Like, kind of everything that went down.

[C]

Why can't.

[A]

Yes, you can.

[C]

Well, she can, but I feel like.

[B]

It'S like, yeah, I felt bad.

[C]

Yeah. I mean, I felt bad for everyone, honestly, like, not just me. It's not.

[B]

I mean. Yeah. And obviously it's been a year and you're so happy you moved on. Yes. As well. Which we love.

[C]

Totally. But just. I think for the show, I think everybody is a little disappointed. But I've talked on it and I, I. It's. Yeah, yeah. It's not a personal thing.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

More of like a professional thing, to be honest. Like, we all kind of have a job here, and we have to just, like, respect the process of it. Even though it's hard, but I still think I'm still really happy with the outcome of everything. I thought it was really fun and just like, I feel like people actually watched it.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

We're into it. It took a minute for it to, like, really pick up in the noise and stuff, but it did towards the end.

[A]

If you weren't in a relationship, would you do season four?

[C]

No.

[A]

Would you?

[B]

No. I feel like I. I was lucky I got into that villa as it was like, I'm, like, I'm retiring. Like, no, that was crazy.

[A]

It wasn't.

[B]

They need to, like, redo the format going. Yeah. I agree.

[C]

Back when you've already, like, I was in the house the entire time. I didn't spend one night outside of it. So it's like, I think when people do the. When they come back for, like, a second season on the same show, it's if they maybe didn't get a fair chance or, like, okay, you didn't really get to have that experience. But, like, I feel like I had the experience.

[A]

Right.

[B]

No.

[A]

Saying if they were going to bring back one alumni, who do you think they would bring back?

[B]

I feel like I'd like to see Freddie.

[A]

Another chance at love. Yeah. Or I guess I need help. Freddie doesn't need help. Freddy's fine.

[B]

That's true. I'd like to see Alex go in, like, starting.

[A]

Start. Yeah, that'd be nice.

[B]

She was, like, good tv.

[A]

Yeah. I feel like I would have loved to know a little bit more about her.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And like, her story and stuff.

[C]

I think some of the bombshells, like, if they were to ask anyone to come back, it should be one of.

[B]

Them, you know, or Justine. But I don't. I don't think she would. But, like, anyone who, like, didn't get to have the chance.

[C]

Exactly.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But. Well, hopefully they're taking notes.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I know. We should be the producers on the next.

[A]

Imagine. That'd be a show.

[C]

I think we'd be so Good producers.

[B]

I mean, we could produce a. We know what works and what doesn't, do we? No separating the couples.

[C]

I mean, it's actually. We do know a lot just being. Going through the experience and it's like there's little things that, like, every show can tweak to make it better.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And just more, you know, impactful.

[A]

But we'll leave it. We'll leave it in the comment box and.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

With that being said, the recommendations. You guys, this has been amazing. I love you. I'm glad that you guys got an opportunity to get it all off your chest and. Well, not you. We got to clarify things and, like, talk and just have some girl talk, I think. I love the fact that you guys can just come and we can just chat about other shows and just our drama and, you know, be able to relate to that. So thank you guys for coming on. Thanks for having us. I'm sure this is not the last. And I just say that last week. I'm sure this won't be the last time.

[B]

We have more to talk.

[A]

Right.

[C]

Well, then talk your and talk your.

[B]

I don't have any about myself. You guys talk about me because I deserve it at this point. All over the place.

[A]

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