This week, Robbie and Adam welcome Chris Coyier and Dave Rupert from ShopTalk Show to talk brand truth versus brand slop, whether CSS knowledge is now your biggest advantage, the rise of dark factories, and why apps built in a weekend don't inspire trust. They dig into OpenClaw workflows, burn windows, agent browsers, the death of pointing and clicking, and whether we've accidentally turned ourselves into energy vampires. Along the way, they cover hot pockets, men's cereal, border shape, and why caring about what you do might actually be a curse.

Presented by Warp: https://www.warp.dev/oz

In this episode:

Chapters

00:00:00 Welcome & Introductions
00:05:30 Brand Truth vs Brand Slop: The AI Authenticity Debate
00:10:54 One-Shot Apps & The Weekend Project Problem
00:18:15 CSS in the Age of AI: Does It Still Matter?
00:25:20 Live Demo: Claude Builds a Podcast Landing Page
00:29:37 Context Rot & The Flogging Margins Problem
00:36:55 Dark Factories & Code You Never Read
00:44:52 Energy Vampires & AI Brain Fry
00:51:35 The 10,000 Watt GPU vs The 40 Watt Brain
01:24:10 Wrap Up & Where to Find Everyone

Links

Green Spot Irish Whiskey: https://www.spotwhiskey.com/
Shop Talk Show: https://shoptalkshow.com/
CSS Tricks: https://css-tricks.com/
CodePen: https://codepen.io/
Claude: https://claude.ai/
OpenClaw: https://github.com/cncf/openclaw
Warp: https://www.warp.dev/
Cursor: https://www.cursor.com/
Bolt: https://bolt.new/
Lovable: https://lovable.dev/
Pi: https://pi.dev/
Tailwind CSS: https://tailwindcss.com/
Shopify: https://www.shopify.com/
Anthropic: https://www.anthropic.com/
Shepherd: https://shepherdjs.dev/
Svelte: https://svelte.dev/
Solid: https://www.solidjs.com/
TypeScript: https://www.typescriptlang.org/
Playwright: https://playwright.dev/
Heretic: https://github.com/heretic-ai/heretic
Hydrogen: https://hydrogen.shopify.dev/
WordPress Playground: https://wordpress.org/playground/
Google Docs: https://docs.google.com/
Cloudflare: https://www.cloudflare.com/
Vercel: https://vercel.com/
Peon Ping: https://github.com/peon-ping/peon-ping
CMux: https://github.com/cmux/cmux
Border Shape: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/border-shape
Hot Pockets: https://www.hotpockets.com/

Connect with Chris

Website: https://chriscoyier.net/
X / Twitter: https://x.com/chriscoyier

Connect with Dave

Website: https://daverupert.com/
X / Twitter: https://x.com/davatron5000

Connect with the hosts

Robbie Wagner: https://x.com/RobbieWagner
Chuck Carpenter: https://x.com/ChuckCarpenter
Adam Argyle: https://x.com/argyleink

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