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Hello delicious friends, and welcome to who did what Now. The history podcast. That is not your history class with me, your host, Katy Charlwood, history harlot and reader of books. So it's been. It's been a funny old week. So, as you know, it's Titanic month and we have been following stories of people throughout the Titanic. And one of the videos I, I filmed for the Socials I did at work, upstairs at work after I'd gone to the doctors and one man got really, really mad about this. Like, he complained that I should be taking my bandages off and like, first of all, they're plasters or band aids. Like it's, you know, or like that medical band aid thing they use. And yeah, I had them because I literally came straight from the doctors and then filmed the video. But like, imagine being personally offended by someone wearing a band aid after a medical procedure, right? Imagine being mad about that. Like, what? What? Like, that's ridiculous. It's a very ridiculous thing for people to be complaining about, but yet here we are. And I don't know, I don't know what it is these last few days, but I have had just the biggest bloody headache and it's like permeating like through my skull and into my jaw. So at this point, I don't know if I'm just holding an awful lot of tension in my body, but I. I think I might be holding a lot of tension in my body. Oh dear. Oh deary me. Anyhoo, I know what you are all thinking. You're thinking, katie, please, it's been two minutes, quit your jobber. In fact me. In fact you. I will. But first we've got to get our source on. Our sources are lights. The Odyssey of C.H. lightoller by Patrick Stenson Titanic and Other Ships by Charles Lighthor the Voyage between Truth and Fiction Stories of the Titanic by Rebecca R. Sanchez Titanic Disaster Hearings before the Subcommittee of the Committee on Commerce, United States Senate Doc. 726, 62nd Congress, 2nd Session, 1912. Report on the Loss of the Titanic by the British wreck Commissioners Inquiry, 1912. We also have Encyclopaedia, Titanica, History.com and Biography.com. now, are you sitting comfortably? Good. Then let's begin. Charles Herbert Lightoller was born on 30 March 1874 to Frederick James Lightoller and Sarah Jane, widows in Chorley, Lancashire. England is from Lancashire. So for context, Queen Victoria was on the throne at the time. And you're thinking, oh, that's like 74 years. Is it 74 years? I don't know. 84 years. Listen, it was a long time. She was on the throne for quite a while. And yeah, Queen Victoria on the throne. Maybe it's 84 years. Listen, I'm not up on my kings and queens in the length of time in which they reigned, but she was on the throne for like nearly a whole century. So whenever you mention the 1800s, it is, you know, less surprising to hear that Queen Victoria was atop the throne with a wee teeny tiny legs dangling from it. She was, she was quite small. So anyway, Charles Lightoller was the second son and the youngest of five. When he was only a few weeks old, his mother, Sarah Jane, contracted scarlet fever A disease that would claim the lives of his siblings, Richard and Caroline, and his grandfather in quick succession. The Lightollers ran a cotton mill in Chorley, which Frederick James would inherit. But a savvy businessman he was not. So when Lightoller was 10 years old, his father remarried and moved to New Zealand without his remaining children. So Charles and his siblings, they were left in the care of his aunt and uncle because, you know, why not move to a new world? Like, he didn't have any more kids. Actually, Frederick James, he moved there. That was him. But like you just left all your kids behind, man. Like what? Anywho, Charles attended truly grammar school, where he was by all accounts an average student. Being the next in line, it was expected that Charles would take over the mill. But he didn't want to walk up mill, he wanted a different life. He just didn't know what that was yet. Then when he was 13, he travels to Liverpool on an excursion with his uncle. And when they visit the docks, something happens. According to Lightoller, a sailor invites them on board. Now Liverpool is a port city and it even had the world's first enclosed commercial dock. Like it was a maritime mercantile city. It was a big hub for trade and the White Star Line and the Cunard Line and like they were all based in Liverpool originally. Ships would start their maiden journey from there before Southampton became like the more popular choice. Now the reason Southampton becomes the more popular choice is its proximity to London because it was just like a much easier journey. Now, for years after Liverpool, you know, stopped being like the big massive hub that it was. Like a lot of those shipping companies would have their registration still in Liverpool as a mark of respect. So yeah, anyway, big dock city, loads of boats, loads of sailors. So Lightoller, you know, he goes to his uncle and asks to go to C. Like he wants a C apprenticeship. Like it's a four year sea apprenticeship. And his uncle happily pays the 40 pound fee and is kind of relieved. Also, it's 40 quid back then. That's a huge chunk of change. That's a lot of money. But here he goes, he's like, hey, let me go to sea. And he's like, I. Okay. Now everyone is fairly cool with this decision except for Lightoller's half sister Jeanie, who is very, very upset. She makes him promise that he won't drown and he promises her like, he's like, nope, prom. I'm not going to drown. It's like, it's very Team America, World Police, isn't it? When he just goes, I promise I will never die. Except he's from Lancashire. This is probably not even a Lancashire accent. I'm going to get completely dragged by all the Lancashire people. They're going to call me a, like, twat. It's just a really. That's a really bad accent. I'm so sorry. But he does tell Janie that there isn't enough water in the sea to drown him. Which, listen, like, he's young, he's a child at this point. And honestly, like, like, children have a certain level of confidence that others don't. And listen, he's. He's cocky. He's. He's a cocky little shit. And so, at 14 years old, Charles Herbert Lightoller packs his gear and heads aboard the Primrose Hill, which was a ship by definition. It wasn't exactly kept in the best of conditions, but it floats. It's a buoyant. That's. That's enough. Being an apprentice seaman wasn't exactly the most glamorous job in the world, like most people at sea had to mind over matter and power through seasickness. I mean, this is a time before stabilizers and those handy little bracelets you wear that put pressure on your, like, points to, I don't know, stop you vomiting or whatever. So he and the other apprentices worked for room and board. They slept in cramped bunks, worked hard and were just hungry enough to keep down the mouldy pork and lime juice that they were provided now. Lime juice? Yeah, to prevent scurvy, which was, you know, a big issue at the time because people weren't getting enough vitamin C, which I hate. I hate to bring this up sidebar, but scurvy has made a comeback. The thing that made pirates ill and lose all of their teeth. Scurvy Ricketts is back. So scurvy is back and people are just deciding to let their children die from measles instead of fcking vaccinating them like, Like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Your child should not have a disease that was prevalent in the 1700s. Right. I'm sorry. F shmee from. God damn. I mean, that's the 1800s, but, like, f shmee from. From. From Peter Pan could have contracted this disease. I feel like maybe we should be trying to prevent that in, you know, 2026. Sorry. Anyway, back to. Back to Charles Lightoller. The boys got to know the ship very well and soon discovered that loose panels gave them access into other rooms with much room, better food, which often was going to waste. So they'd sneak around the ship stealing leftovers, the remainders of someone else's luncheon or dinner. But they were hungry and so they did what they did. They sailed. They survived. Over the next few years, Lightoller continued his life at sea and when on lan, enjoyed visiting various ports he liked. He very much enjoyed the stopover. He particularly enjoyed Rio de Janeiro in Brazil, even though the locals weren't exactly too fond of the British. How surprising. After one such trip on the Holt Hill, as it left Brazil and was heading towards Calcutta, India, an illness had followed its way on board. Initially, the superiors thought that one of the young sailors was just being lazy and wanted to skive off. But in actual fact, one of Lightoller's crewmates had contracted smallpox. But it wasn't the only disease on board, because what also followed was yellow fever. Both illnesses spread through the crew, most of whom died, one of whom in Lightoller's arms. But Charles, he was unscathed, seemingly with a bold immune system. The Holt Hill had to stop on its way to India and docked in Cape Town. It quarantined after dropping cargo and burying their dead at Sea. On 13 November 1889, the Hold Hill was making its way around the Cape of Good Hope when another ship tries to overtake them. Naturally, Captain Sutherland was not having it and so the Holt Hill sped up and they raced. Unfortunately, this pedal to the middle sent the Holt hull into the direct path of a massive fuck off rock. And then a voice cries out, a voice nobody wants to bloody hear, which is every man for himself. The ship runs aground and Lightoller is practically trebucheted into the air. And is this the end? No, of course not, because, like, we're not that far into the story. But the next thing he knows, he's on the ground. The sound of screeching surrounding him. On one side of him, a massive ship's gear inches from his head. The other side, the captain's chicken coop, surprisingly hacked like he narrowly missed being pancaked. For someone who had been thrown from a ship, knocked unconscious and almost had his head caved in with a metal gear, he was doing okay, actually. No cuts, no broken bones, just a wee bit of a dizzy spell, but, you know, not too bad. And the crew, well, they were on land, it was an island and they were marooned, but it's. They're on land and, you know, weren't eaten by sharks, which is like super fun for everybody involved. Now, on this island, they did have shelter There were some abandoned huts and so at least they had some protection from the elements. While some of the maroon sailors rather logically started to search for a fresh water source, the teenage Charles was thinking about finding buried treasure. Like, full on Robert Louis Stevenson. He's like, ah, maybe there's gold in these parts. Argh. For two days, the men searched for water, dehydrated and exhausted. But then water was discovered. The 42 men, they had been struggling now, like, they think they're heroes. They're like, we found water. And so one crewman runs back to inform everyone, like, they're running down this hill. Look, we've got water. We've saved everyone. Right. But his enthusiasm was quickly bust when another search party, as it turns out, had already found water closer to where they had wrecked. Right. So, you know, they're like, we saved people. And it's like, did you? Because we saved everyone first. So they light a bonfire and hope to get the attention of passing ships, but to no avail. So for six days, Lightoller and the other 41 men hoped for rescue, eating what they could manage, starting with the captain's chickens. I wonder if they were too stressed to lay eggs, like, or if there was enough food for the chickens. So, like, it probably was more humane than letting them starve, one would assume. Luckily, a small boat came ashore. Now, this boat didn't have space for all of the marooned sailors, nor did it have enough provisions for 42 men. They barely had enough for, like, was it like an eight man crew that was on this boat? But Captain Hayward was well aware that any of the men left behind would die on the island. And so he got every last one on board and brought the men to Adelaide. That's in Australia. Even being in a shipwreck and marooned didn't stop Lightoller, who continued to work at sea in his teens and early twenties as ships evolved from rigged vessels up to steamships. He mainly worked on cargo ships and worked his way up the ranks until becoming third mate. This is on a windjammer the night of St. Michael. This ship would lead to yet another incident. So there's, there's a storm, a bad one, and one thing leads to another and the coal ignites in the cargo pit. Now, coal fires usually take a bit to get going and so it does take a while for people to notice that there is a fire on board. Nothing quite like a fire on a boat in the middle of the ocean with no lifeboats. Yep. Thankfully, being made of iron prevented the ship from going completely ablaze. But everyone is on deck to avoid the heat and, and of course the noxious fumes when they get to land or well, are in sight of land. Many crew members just swim to shore while others MacGyvered some rafts. Now, Charles ends up spending his time convincing fellow crewmen that they would not get eaten by sharks, a la Birkenhead. By the way, if I hadn't mentioned it before, I mean, I think I did. But Charles Herbert Lightoller was one cocky son of a bitch. Like, like he, he doesn't act like he's scared. Anyway, he's too busy just like ridiculing and mocking all of these little makeshift rafts everyone's doing like in his head. He's not doing it aloud because he doesn't want to bring down Morel, but like, he's, he's having a laugh inside, safely. Anywho, the crew end up on another island, Bahia Blanca, off of Argentina, where Leia Toller, along with the captain, acquired. I'm gonna say acquired. They acquired some horses. Now, thanks to some, like bitty espanol and plain old bribery, they managed to get help and extinguish the fire. Now, after all that, Lay Taller is promoted to first officer. So he's cocky, he's arrogant, and he's a fan of some Tom fuckery, but he is a damn fine sailor.
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Most people put up with his crap because he was a damn fine sailor. Then he meets Liverpool's least favourite, Captain Bully Walters. Now, his name was William, and normally William gets shot into Billy, but this guy was such a shit that they called him Bully, right? Like that, he just stuck. Captain Bully was so awful that two men ended their own lives rather than work with him. Like that shows you just how bad he was. Upon the African Royal steamship, the Niagara, there was a storm that prevented the ship from getting to shore. Bully had sent his chief officer ahead and called up Lightoller and asked him what he thought the issue was. Now, remember when I said he was a cocky little shit? He's also really fucking sarcastic. So he says, like, the issue is that if we can't get to shore to collect whatever the wood or whatever we're supposed to collect, we don't get paid, right? The captain then asks him, why can't we get to shore? And again, Lightoller, he's like, I don't know. I can't see it because it's foggy, right? There's a storm, you know, it's not great. There's terrible visibility. The water is just gonna say the waves are rocky. And he's like, I don't know, I'm not there. So the captain gives him the boat and sends him out with three men and a quartermaster. This is a choppy sea, lads. This small boat is barely in the water before it floats, flips, and Lightoller is in the sea. Now, he tries to grab on to the quartermaster as he goes, but, like, it slips out of his hand and he is under water. So, like, he's there and he is sinking and he's aware that his clothes are weighing him down and so he starts loosening his clothes. He tries to kick off his trousers because, again, he's trying to, like, make himself lighter to get through the sea. Unfortunately, they do not go past his ankles because he's wearing, like, shoes or boots or, you know, and so they're stuck. So he's trying to swim in the sea with his trousers around his ankles. Now, luckily, the sea is choppy in such a way that a wave throws him onto the shore of Grand Bassum, like, so he's on the Cote d' Ivoire or the Ivory Coast. His trousers again, around his ankles, and rain is lashing on his body. And he's just on the beach, right? He's just there and, like, he's tired, he's in pain. He's probably just glad to have a moment to breathe. And this is when he is spotted by two locals who alerted the French authorities because colonialism. And the thing is, they saw what they thought was the corpse of a white man. And they were like, we don't want to be dealing with this because we don't want to get into trouble for something we didn't do. And so because they didn't want to be accused of something by the colonial powers, they were like, let's go and just report this. When authorities did find Lightoller, he wasn't corpsing on the beach. Instead he was in a sawmill, downing all the whiskey he was offered. The captain, meanwhile, had started organizing recovery as he assumed that all the men in the boat were dead. And they were save for one Charles freaking Lightoller, who is Jake Whiskey and a sawmill. When the storm subsided, he was back aboard the ship. And then, you know, he thinks, okay, we're going back, it's fine. And, yeah, then he contracts malaria. So out of the frying van into the fire. But because this is Lightoller, he survives again. So this incident, it had an effect on Charles. His hubris had resulted in the death of shipmates. And so he thought of doing something other than the sea. I mean, the thing is, this fella, he's like Ken. So like, his job is ship, but he wants a break. And so he sells most of his belongings and hopped on a boat to Montreal. So if you're wondering about Billy Williams, by the way, he ends up getting like a proper, like, telling off a pure dressing down. And apparently after this incident was a little bit less shitty as a person because, you know, he fucked up bad. So why Montreal? So Charles Lightoller, his plan was to head to the Yukon for gold. And this, the way to do this was to travel via Edmonton. Like, this was the way that was promoted. It was like, get to Yukon, get to the Gold Rush, get via fucking Edmonton. See, see that, that's a problem because that was a super dangerous route. And almost as if other prospectus did it. Too thin the hilt. Because it's like, here's a dangerous route to go. Less people go, please. So he tried to go prospecting for gold with three other men. But this, this was not a fruitful endeavour. He had to admit that his, you know, plan wasn't really going. Going well and it wasn't gonna pan out, pun intended. He ends up, like, giving up on just gold. Like, so he's traveling, actually, he travels and he tries to go looking for gold with. I think it's an Irishman and Two Americans and a banjo, which breaks a bunch of times. Anyway, apparently he wasn't very good with this particular instrument, but he thought, if I'm going to go out west, I need a banjo. Nobody needs a banjo. I. I await the angry letters from banjo players. Listen, listen. Banjos just remind me of Deliverance. So I'm sorry, but I say that as if I can play an instrument. No, I can't play the triangle, but yeah. So he ends up. He ends up going the hobo lifestyle. Like, I'm surprised he isn't like Dick Whittington. There's a little bundle on a stick, right? He ends up riding the rails to get to the east coast. He worked where he could and eventually made it to port where he would join a crew on a boat heading back to Liverpool. It seemed to be that this adventure one where he came out poorer, hungrier and more exhausted than he ever was at sea, really helped Lightoller mature at least a little bit. When he gets back, like, he, like, straight off the bat, starts working, you know, he is working towards his master certificate to improve his rank and to provide him more opportunities in the shipping industry. So he does this, like, nose to the grindstone. He gets his cert and gets named Third Night. Nope, that's incorrect. Third mate of the Night Bachelor. Happy days. Everything's coming up Milhouse, except, just kidding. He has been absolutely bullshitted. He gets to London and the ship docked is not the Night Bachelor, but a Companion ship, right? So he's told he has this like, really great position on this really great ship. And then he gets there and it turns out it's like this Companions ship which is full of cows. Look, Mary, cows. Like that. That's where we're at. And so now he didn't have time to be angry on this cattle ship because he contracted malaria Again, third one's free. So he ends up just like in a corner in a blanket, just feebled like with malaria, surrounded by cow dung. Like it's not an opportune moment, you know. And after this, he starts looking for other options and opportunities. And when he's 24 years old, he makes his way to the White Star Line in Liverpool. His first assignment was on the RMS Medicine. Now, this was a big change for him, right? He said that the White Star Line ran its ships with a military level precision. He knew boats, he knew the sea, but he'd never dealt with this level of organization and authority, considering some of the vessels he had been on like this, like a way of working. Did Come as a bit of a shock. He rotated on and off the medic for a while. And it's when he's on the Australia route that he would meet the love of his life. Okay, so. Okay, I gotta talk about the Australia route for a second because it's too funny. Not to mention. So remember how I said that he had matured? Well, it turns out he hadn't matured completely because the boy still loved a prank. So he ends up, like, in Australia, and him and a bunch of crewmates, like, set off a one gun salute and causes a whole issue in port. And basically the authorities try and figure out who did this stuff because, like, they raised the boar flag and everything. It's just a whole mess. And authorities are trying to figure out who did it. No, the White Star line, very quickly and very swiftly find the culprit. Now Lightoller, like, offers to resign, like the guy in charge. Just like, like, laughs, tells him to, like, not be a dick effectively and to just not do that shit again. And for a while, he has taken off the Australia route because they're like, let's just not risk him being caught. Now he does end back on it, which again is where he meets the love of his life, A one Miss Iowa, Sylviana Tzila, Holly Wilson or Sylvia, to her friends, Silvia, like King Tutankhamun had a club foot, which is relevant to the story, just so you know. I promise. So basically, having a club foot isn't great for balance on a rocking ship. So what would happen is she often lost her footing because, you know, ships aren't exactly the steadiest of places to be. So one day she loses her footing and boom, Ends up in Charles Lightoller's arms. So being a gentleman, he carries her up a flight of stairs, like he's so into her. Um, and he ends up finding out by finding out. He inquires, watches, and asks when she had her meals so that he could be around to help her. So, like, to carry her to her breakfast and to her dinner and things. And like, the other crew, they're just like, why won't you marry her? Like, what is wrong with you? Because, like, you're so into her, boy. And, like, they're probably making, like, kissy noises at them from, like, behind the door. Charles and Sylvie sitting in a tree. K I S S I N G. So then, of course, he proposes. So they dock in Sydney. Like they're not. They're not going very far, right? So they dock in Sydney, get married, and then travel Back to England as husband and wife. Now, after this, he moves from the Australia route to the transatlantic route. He serves on the Majestic, then the Oceanic. And he has taken home a good chunk of change, right? What he earned on one trip on the oceanic was what he earned the total of the previous year. Now, this is his favorite ship. Like, this is his favorite ship to be on. Like, being on the sea. This is the place he wants to be. Like, this is it. So it's here where he was named officer of the watch of under Captain John G. Cameron. He worked for years on the oceanic, ending up, like, as a second officer. So the White Star line had been expanding and growing over time, and there was a big boss of a ship, and he wanted on it the RMS Titanic, because he wants to progress. And he's told, like, this is the one. This is the big boy. This is the one we want to be on. And so originally, he is named first officer. William Murdoch was chief officer. Second officer was David Blair, and the captain was Edward J. Smith. Now, he had actually met Edward J. Smith, like, before this, and they had worked together on previous, like, White Starling ships, and he considered the captain a friend. Now, White Starling, for whatever the hell reason, decided that instead of keeping this very specific way that they had originally planned it, that they were gonna shake things up a little bit and change it around. And, yeah, yeah, decided to bring in some Olympic crew, including Henry Wilde as chief officer. This bumped Murdoch to first light, oiler to second, and Blair off the ship. So the men, you know, they joined the sea trails in Belfast, and, yeah, went through everything. Everything seemed fine. Going through all the safety protocols. Unfortunately, what no one knew, like, at the time was the David Player. When he left, he did so with the keys to the cabinet that stole the binoculars. Now, this isn't just like this, like, very easily accessible cabinet. Otherwise, somebody would have just, like, jammied it open, because, let's face it, somebody would have jammied it open for a pair of binoculars. Because, listen, these guys have tricks, okay? So anyway, they do the trials and the contemporary safety standards of the time were met. The Titanic left Belfast, then on April 10, left Southampton, made its way to Cherbourg in France, and then Cove in Cork, Ireland, which was also known as Queenstown at the time. At the French port, he was informed that the ship had no binoculars. Now, here's the thing, okay? Why would a ship only have one set of binoculars? Now, understand that this could be a financial thing. However, no expense was spared building the Olympic class liners. Like when I say there wasn't a budget, there was not a budget, okay? They really went all out to ensure that these were the best vessels they could be. And so one set of binoculars just seems like, you know, something that was overlooked. Sorry, my voice is getting very high pitched now. So here's the thing. They're like, they don't think it's going to be that bad because the Marconi operators, so the guys who run the radio, they would be informed of dangers. And so they decided listen, right? These guys will be informed if there's any stuff out there, if there's anything to look out for. So it'll be fine. And we'll just pick up and new binoculars when they reach New York and we'll have it for the journey home. Cut to April 14th at 10pm so he, Charles Lightoller is relieved by muddock. Like a warning had come in about ice ahead. But that message never made it to Lightoller or the bridge. Murdoch and Lightoller discuss just how dark it is. It's a moonless night with poor to no visibility. There's always this talk about how clear the skies were. And like, that's fine. It's fine if there's no cloud cover, but it doesn't help if there's nothing, okay? So pure darkness. There is no moon, there's no light source from anywhere. There's just the darkness ahead. There is nothing to see until it's too late. So he goes to bed and like he tries to rest. So basically his shifts tend to be four hours on and eight hours off. And so you're basically rotating just to ensure that people get enough rest to be able to do their job. And so he wants to be warm, he wants to get cosy, he wants to have a nap. He is drifting off, he's like basically out. When he is awoken sharply at 20 to midnight, he's jerked awake, right? He looks outside his door and he doesn't see any commotion. And he decides to wait in his cabin because people know he's supposed to be in his cabin. And if somebody wants to find him, they will. He's easy to find. Fourth Officer John Boxall comes and tells him that they've hit an iceberg. And Lighthearted throws on some clothes over his pajamas. He's got trousers, he's got a navy jumper and his bridge coat. Now the thing about the Titanic, which everyone seems to manage to forget, is that it was designed to be its own lifeboat. The lower deck had watertight doors that would close, keeping the ship afloat and pumping out water. So, like, it's basically an engineering marvel. Basically, if two components were full, it would stay afloat. Unfortunately, the breach in the hull resulted in six compartments filling with water. So it's not even one big gash. The way that the iceberg hit the ship is that it's several small gashes or small by comparison to the enormity of the ship, like, all across it. And that's where. That's where this trouble comes from. Because if it was just two compartments, if it was just one. So. But this just. It just took over, you know? And so the other thing about the lifeboats is that the Titanic actually had more lifeboats than it was required to have because it was to do with tonnage and not for passengers. Because these lifeboats were designed to be, you know, ferries, right? They were supposed to ferry the people from one sinking ship to the rescue ship. So anyway, the compartments are filling up with water. And Lightoller knows that this is not good. But at this point, he didn't think the Titanic was actually sinking. So he knew there was a breach. He knew water was coming in, but he thought, like, it's designed this specific way. It's gonna be fine, you know? But a good captain knows his ship, and Captain Edward J. Smith, he checked his inclinometer and saw that the Titanic had already tilted 5 degrees starboard. So it was already tilting because of the water that was filling up. The captain told Chief Officer Wild to start uncovering lifeboats. And steam is bellowing from the funnels. It's going through the engines, and it is loud. So when Lightoller is told to enact the Buckenhead drill, he thinks it means women and children only. Now, for context, Lightoller does not think the ship is going to sink. And in fairness, ships usually sank very quickly. Right? You're talking minutes. I mean, sometimes it's an hour, sometimes it's, like, much quicker. But, like, he's been on shipwrecks. He knows how they go down and they go down, and this is slow. And the Titanic, it was supposed to stay afloat. The lifeboats were supposed to ferry passengers to the rescue ship. And so Lightoller, he is severely underloading the lifeboats on his side. Like, they also didn't want to panic the passengers. It's just a lot going on because they don't want. If there's a panic, there's a stampede, which then leads to, like, more loss of life. And it's hard to be in control when there's A lot of panic happening. Meanwhile, the Marconi operators are pounding out cqd. So like CQD is, was just like a warning sign, like help. Mayday. And at this point, because, you know, they haven't, they haven't really got an official system. So like people would use different codes and they just chose these three letters, the CQD and Morse code, because they're like, that'll be fine, right? That'll be, that'll be a thing that it doesn't mean anything until people know, will know it means this thing. And then they decide to even start using sos, which was not like what we know it today. And SOS does not mean save our souls, okay? It's one of those weird things that happens when say, for example, you take a bunch of letters together like sos and then suddenly over time people will think it means something, they'll apply something else to it. When really it's literally just, Just because it's three dots, three dashes, three dots, right. That's why the old sms, the old SMS used to be because it was the Morse code for sms, because those were very easily recognizable sounds, especially when, you know, you're looking for a very specific combination of letters and there's other noises happening. Now, each sort of Marconi machine, each radio, wireless system, they had their own specific sound and the Titanic's was like high pitched. It was very, very clear, very different. But yeah, they are doing their best to try and get the attention. They're sending like warnings to the California, they're sending out to everyone. Like the Carpathia is hearing it and so is like the Olympic and the Olympic is like, like 800 miles away. Like it's so far, but there's just a lot happening and a lot of these crews, especially those who were in these areas, they knew each other like it was, you know, the White Starling crew all knew each other and you know, these were friends, these were colleagues and something bad was happening. And the crew on board, they're setting off flares. So the California thinks there are fireworks and it's receiving messages. But their Marconi operator had gone to the bed, right. And well, here, here's the thing. Now people didn't think this was going to be sort of a system like that. They assumed that things like the Marconi machine would just be to send messages, you know, oh, to one another. Like it wasn't meant to be this big, you know, reasonable, logical idea. So as the ship continued to sink, Lightoller is just like walking around at One point, picking up women and putting them into lifeboats. So basically, there are women and children in these lifeboats and he's not letting in any men. And, like, it even gets to the point where it's like, no, like, boy over 12 or over 14. Like, there's a very specific cutoff. Now on the other side of the ship, Murdoch is putting women and children first. And then if there's any space, any man who happens to be around gets in the damn boat. So as the reality of the situation sets in, the crew try to call back Lifeboat 6, but it doesn't return. Now, Lifeboat 6, lest we forget, doesn't have a lot of crew. It's got one crew member on it, right? It's got one. A yachtman with a broken arm and a bunch of women. So they're just rowing, right? They don't know what they're doing. They're just continuing to row. So even if they're called back, there's no guarantee they would have heard them. And panic, it is setting in. And he has his rule, no men, women and children only. He's in a situation where this is the only control he has. And so I think it's too easy to judge him in this very particular scenario. I think it's very easy to say, well, why didn't he do A Or why did he do B? Like, because this was an unprecedented, you know, disaster. Like, if he's on a ship with his crewmates and it goes down, he knows how to deal with that. These are people who are trained to survive at sea. This is a bunch of passages. These are wives, children, you know, men who haven't loved his reality. And he's trying to keep everyone calm, and he makes mistakes. He definitely should have had those lifeboats filled. Like, we can argue till the cows come home, but it happened. And he did what he thought was best at the time, given the inflammation he had. It wasn't enough. And sometimes we forget that no matter how hard we try, no matter how well we think we're doing, because no one likes to believe that they are the villain. They always like to think they're doing the right thing. And sometimes we are not. Like, honey, we're all the villain in someone else's story. So he has this one sliver of control in the chaos, and he starts getting the collapsible lifeboats ready, because it's like, they're not meant to be used unless in necessary, like, emergency. And he's like, it's a fucking emergency, lads. And so, yeah, he pulls a yachtsman onto the collapse bow because he doesn't have enough crew. That's another one. He's like, you do this fucking fantastic. You're coming with me. He hears the band playing and he appreciates the morale boost, but he's not fond of the actual music because he doesn't like jazz. Of course he doesn't. Like, he was born in the Victorian era. I don't expect this man who loved a laugh at sea to like jazz. Whereas I got very excited when I heard, like, a version of Minnie the Moocher that I hadn't heard before. And I was like, oh, what's this anyway? Or is that the blues? Anyway, so he's trying to fill this collapsible lifeboat and he sees Isadora. That's Isadora Strauss. He tries to get her on a boat and she refused, saying that she and her husband started together, they would finish together. Oh, this one always gets me. Instead, she makes sure her maid gets in the boat and gives her her fur coat, saying that she isn't going to be needing it anymore. So, like after the sinking, the maid tries to give the coat back to the Strauss's daughters. And, like, she's trying to, like, this is her coat. You have it in. Her daughters tell her to keep it because her mum wanted her to have it. It's always the individual moments that get me, because whenever we look at something, we look at this big picture and because it's so large, we don't really compute the human impact of it because it's so big. You know, it's numbers. It's only when you break it down to each individual, to each person, that you really see the true cost of what happened. And it's far too easy to become numb to the pain of the world. And I think we have to be able to feel it because we have to be able to try and make it better for us and everyone else. And even though, like, social class was still a massive thing, this woman made sure her maid was safe. She made sure that she lived. And that is bravery beyond compare, because she knew she was going to die and she decided to use that moment to help someone else out. So at this point, men are panicking and they're pushing and shoving and jostling. And so Lightoller pulls out his pistol, right? Luckily, the side of the gun is enough to calm the riot. He's trying to get the Feno lifeboats off, but the collapsible flips like he's gotten a few off. At this point. And this is the very last chance he's got. And it goes. And then the bulkhead gives way. The ship is at an angle. People are falling onto the ocean. Like, people are falling. People are pinned. Like, he gets pinned at one point, like on the railing. Like bodies, one after another, are crashing into the water. And so the ship is definitely coming down. And so with no other choice, he. He leaps into the water. He sinks beneath the cold, icy waves. And he is going down, and he is sinking deeper and deeper. He hears a crack and then a massive blast of hot air and water from the boiler exploding. So basic science when very hot meets very cold reaction. So, effectively, this boiler, when it meets the icy water of the North Atlantic, this gush just thrusts him to the surface to the sounds of screams. He's face to face now with Collapsible B, the lifeboat he failed to launch. He grabs onto a rope attached to the overturned lifeboat and then climbs on top. He finds the Marconi operators, Jack Phillips and Harold McBride. He gets them onto the boat now that's overturned, and there's a few of them on it. And this is where there's a discrepancy. Cause he says that Phillips, like, he was alive for a good while, whereas McBride thinks that he's dead for, or at least unconscious and isn't able to talk. But Whiteoller says that he spoke to him and he apologized for not passing on the message. Now, according to Charles Lightoller, he holds on to Phillips, but he doesn't make it, and he has to let him go into the water. And at this point, Collapsible B was starting to sink. It's almost daybreak, but at this point, lifeboats are coming around searching for survivors. And he blows on his officer's whistle. Now, it's a different pitch to other whistles, and it's very recognizable to these crew, and so they know it's his. And so the 30 men atop the overturned lifeboat survived and made it onto the Carpathia, with Charles Lightoller being the very last person from the sinking of the RMS Titanic to be saved.
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The Carpathia made its way to New York, and not long after arriving, all crew were served with warrants to testify at an inquiry. Now, Lightoller was mad at this because to him, what right did the US Government have to investigate a British ship on international waters? And he's angry, he's traumatised, and he just wants to go home to his family. Now, him being a sake so and so led to an, I'm gonna say, interesting inquiry. The US Inquiry was led by Senator William Smith, who weirdly, didn't know much about ocean liners. Lightoller is the highest ranking surviving officer, and he is drilled. Like, they try and rake him over the coals, but I don't. I don't think they quite manage that. So they question this man about the many, many ways what people could have died on the sinking ship, which just feels weird and a bit harsh. And also, he wouldn't know that information because, I mean, he would have to spend a lot of time considering all the ways that people would have died. And he's just back, like, that's, that's a lot to consider. And so Lightoller is being the company man while being thrown under the company bus. And he's exhausted. And he's questioned about why the Carpathia was to return to England, like, why Esme had given orders to send them back. And he's just like, yeah, for the British inquiry, probably. Like, this man, Smith, like, ask Slay Toller what the result was on the ship from the collision with the iceberg. And Lightoller says with a smirk on his damn face, it sank. He's not wrong. Okay, I want to clarify. He's not wrong. Like, it sank like that. That was the result of the collision. The ship sank. Oh, my God. Right after this terrible American inquiry. Right. Lightoller was brought before the British inquiry led by Lord Mercy. Now, this inquiry resulted in answers and he was able to explain, you know, the dominoes falling that led to the tragedy. Now this inquiry did lead to stricter maritime laws and safety regulations. But Lightoller, he, he didn't want to be like the face of this, of the survivor. He didn't want to be the face of the company, he didn't want to be all this stuff. He just wanted to be back at sea. But again, he's dealing with the inquiries, lawsuits and being the poster boy of the titanic disaster. Then two years later, in 1914, war broke out. The Great War or World War I to you and I. Many ships were requisitioned by the Navy. And so the oceanic, which had been his favorite ship, had actually been built under a deal with the Admiralty. So it had very specific naval, well, specifications. In the case of the oceanic, guns mounted guns were able to be added to it to make it an armed merchant cruiser. Lightoller was given the rank of lieutenant and the Royal Navy Reserve aboard the Oceanic. Also on board was David Blair, serving as navigator. David Blair, who had left with the keys to the binoculars and his pockets. On 7 September, the oceanic hit a reef. The ship was aiming for an island in the Shetlands, but David Blair had directed them or navigated them directly into a reef. Yet again. Lightoller leapt out of bed in his pyjamas and ran to the bridge. He made sure everyone was off the ship. Then, with a clock that he ripped from the wall of his favourite ship, he dove into the water of the North Sea. After sinking, he was sent to a naval barracks in Davenport and he was bored as hell. There was an opening and he was told it would be dangerous, like super dangerous. It would be like super dodgy. And he's like, fuck this for a game of soldiers. I'm there, okay? He just, he can't sit in this base anymore. He's bored to tails. And so he goes in a few missions, catches the measles, and then he has to deal with the newest tech and water the seaplane. If you want to know more about the seaplane, I do talk about that in detail in the episode on Frederick Rutland. Rutland from Jutland in Beverly Hills. Spy. So Lightoller, he is on a seaplane sending coded messages on enemy positions on what I'm going to call a tempestuous system. So. So he's up in the air like he is also shit scared. He doesn't like flying, he prefers being on the sea, like water to air. Not big fan but yeah, he's, he's doing this and he becomes a lieutenant and is given command of His Majesty's Torpedo Boat 117 and it's part of the Newr defence flotilla. So basically it's on the Thames in London. It's basically trying to like protect London from attack. So on 31 July 1916, Zeppelins headed towards London. Gunners on the boat did get some licks in but bombs did rain down, the zeppelin did turn and retreat. And after that Lightoller joined the Dover Patrol, an elite and the discreet unit of the Royal Navy based surprisingly out of Dover. They helped patrols between Dover and Dunkirk in France. And you're thinking Dunkirk, that sounds very French. It does, it does, it does indeed. Patrol served as lookouts typically. And Lightoller was given command of the HMS Falcon. The Falcon was struck by the John Fitzgerald, a Royal Navy trawler, on the April Fool's Day 1918. There was a court martial and he was basically, yeah, they were like, it's fine, you didn't do. It's okay. So he's then given command of the HMS Gary. What a name for a ship. What's this one? It's Gary. It's a ship in convoys. And so the Gary came upon a German U boat, the UB110. They shot the boat like it took like a minute for it to sink. It like really went down and the survivors were taken as prisoner and Lightoller is promoted to Lieutenant Commander. After the war, Lightoller returned to the White Star Line where he was appointed Chief officer of the Celtic. At this point his family had grown. He had five kids, two boys. No, that's wrong. Three boys and two girls. Life was getting back to normal and with his record he kept waiting for his next step up. He kept waiting for his appointment on the Olympic, like that was his big goal. Now as years passed, the promotion was kept just out of reach. The new owners of the White Star Line would, well, they would try and distance themselves from the Titanic disaster and let all our, well, he was the face of it and so this is like really bothering him and stressing him out. And so he goes to Sylvia for advice. Like he was stuck in limbo with his career. She told him to come home and so he resigned. Like he writes this beautiful long heartfelt like resignation letter about, you know, how the time he'd spent there and Everything he loved and how he was so sad to go, but he just had to. And so he gives it in and they're like, okay, bye. And it just knocks him for sex, you know, and this is where he starts to struggle. He was unqualified for one job and too old for the next. And they end up like, just because out of necessity, the family end up running a boarding house. And so he does manage to get a small boat called the Mutt. And so he would go sailing casually. Okay, this is actually really fun. So he does this one race, right, and it's from Dover to calais. It's in 1829 and the weather is not great. Like, you know, some people do try and get it cancelled because the weather's so shit, but he ends up being the only boat to reach the finish line with absolutely no trouble. And he's so fucking smug about this. He's like, still got it. By 1929, the light haulers had an inn, a chicken coop, and enough money to treat Charles to an actual boat, the Sundowner. He was planning to go on a trip with David Blair to the island that he had been shipwrecked on as a teenager. But his wife Sylvia firmly told him no. Like, she was like, you're not doing that with him. The guy who, you know, kept the keys to the binoculars and then ran the last ship of ground that you were upon him and you want to take him over there. No, Charles, no, no, no, no. That's not happening. So he was retired now and she felt that they should enjoy their years together without her worrying about him being marooned on an island on the other side of the world. So he's retired and he's just, you know, living his life. And in 1939, naval intelligence reached out to him, asked if he would like to go on a fishing trip. He convinces the secret Naval intelligence, while the country's on the brink of war, for him to be able to bring Sylvia along on the boat because an elderly couple fishing wouldn't be suspicious. So they'll sail there with like maps and camera equipment to go and just like espionage the coast, right? So she'd be up on deck like chopping vegetables or fishing and he'd be below deck like making maps and, you know, taking pictures and doing all this stuff together. Now, they were generally unnoticed most of the time. Most. See, one time a German coast guard boarded the boat and asked Sylvia where the captain was. And without missing a beat out Steps Lightoller, like, he's up on deck with an open bottle of gin, smoking a pipe and they were laughed at and, like, told to go on their way because they're just like, look at you with your drunk husband. Off Surrey now does as good, go on into your sailing and I hope you don't drink your gin too bad and crash your boat into a reef. Oh, no. So, yeah, yeah. Like, I love the fact that Sylvia was involved because it means that every member of the Lightoller family was involved in the war effort because she helped with this and like everyone else was involved too, including their children. Frederick, Roger served in the Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve. Richard Trevor joined the Navy. Sylvia Mavis was with the first aid nursing Yeoman Tree. And Claire Doreen served in the Political intelligence department. And finally, their youngest, Herbert Bryan, served in the raf. Brian was the baby of the family and after the very first night of fighting, his plane collided with a barrage balloon. And when they returned, they were informed that their youngest child was dead. In May 1940, Lightoller was again on the sea. You see, in Dunkirk, it was clear that more boats were needed to remove soldiers from the beach. The Germans were picking them off, so the Navy asked for help. The destroyers were too big to get in and so smaller boats were needed to ferry passengers in and out. And so Lightoller, when he was asked for help, he gave it and he headed for Dunkirk aboard the Sundowner with his son Roger and Gerald Ashford, who was an 18 year old sea scout. They made their way across the Channel and got to the harbours. When he was asked how many men he could take, he lied. So the Sundowner could comfortably carry 21 people and he was like, I can take about a hundred ish, basically, so he could try and save as many men as he could. He packs 130 men onto the boat, evades a bomber twice and he gets those boys home like clowns in a car. Everyone was shocked at just how he fit them in. Like, the answer to that question is determination. Trevor, who had been on the beaches, had been evacuated 48 hours before his father had reached Dunkirk and he was safe. Near the end of the war, the late Holders lose his second son, Roger. And this is during a raid in France. So basically, Lightoller loses his son at the start of the war. And near the end after the Second World War, Lightoller sets up a boat shop with his remaining son, Trevor Richmond Slipways in West London. Seven years after the end of the war, time caught up with lightoller and on the 8th of December 1952, Charles Herbert Lightoller passed away in his sleep at the age of 78. He had a small family funeral and was cremated. And so ends the story of Charles Lightoller. And like everyone thinks about him on the Titanic and how this is what he did and everything he did wrong. And he kept trying to do the right thing. He tried to serve his country. He tried to protect people. He tried to get boys home. He tried to save lives for those he had lost. And I think, again, we're never always going to do the right thing. And I think he made a silly decision. A silly decision, A silly mistake, a silly decision. I think he made it and he had to deal with the consequences of that. And I think he tried to do better over the years. And I think the guilt that was laid upon that man I think was too severe because he couldn't have known what was going to happen. And everything that led to that situation, the majority of it, was out with his control. But I don't know, I just think he did his best. He helped in two world wars. He tried, and he made more of an effort than have people grumbling in their anoraks. But that is. That's the story of Lightholar. And that is our final story on Titanic Month. Now, I wanted to talk about crew, and I don't talk about men very often. And I'm. I'm usually the first person to talk shit about men from history because usually they deserve it. But I think we judge too harshly sometimes. And I think. I think probably just because I'm so used to the propaganda that I don't appreciate hanging this man out to dry for something that was out with his control. And, you know, memory is. Memory is a funny thing, and it's unreliable at best. Now, before I go on a big, massive rant, I think that's. I think I should stop. And with that, I shall bid you good evening. So you can follow me on socials. You can see what I'm up to. You can even hear about the secret plans that are coming about for next month. But we are going to talk about something I'm gonna hope's a little bit cheerier. Is it cheerier? I don't know. It's kind of sleazy. But, yes, we are gonna be talking about something else in May, and so it's recommendation time. So for watching Marco's Got Money Troubles, it's so good. It's so good. Michelle Pfeiffer is amazing. Just every. Every member of that cast is so good. Like, I'm really enjoying it. Like I'm excited for the next episode. Like I'm really excited for the next thing, but I'm very excited for the next episode. For reading Murder on the Lusitania. It's a murder mystery. It's got boats. What more do you want, guys? Okay. And for listening. Okay, you can laugh all you want, but I've been listening to on my morning walk to work is the Matilda musical soundtrack. Like the original stage show. Like that is so good. Just revolting children just fills me with such joy. And naughty is also very good. But yeah, that is that. And with that, I am going to bed you. Adieu. Adios. Au revoir. Au re, my friends. Bye bye.
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