From Insecurity to Freedom – It Was All God | Sadie Robertson Huff & Indi Kent

Summary

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Episode Overview

Episode Title: From Insecurity to Freedom – It Was All God
Podcast: WHOA That's Good Podcast
Host: Sadie Robertson Huff
Guest: Indi Kent
Release Date: March 2, 2026

This heartfelt episode welcomes British guest Indi Kent, founder of Pink Letters, for a candid conversation about growing up Christian in the UK, navigating teenage insecurity, and transforming personal struggles into a ministry for teenage girls. With deep reflections on faith, identity, and sisterhood, Sadie and Indi share honest stories and practical encouragement, especially for young women journeying through adolescence.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Small Town Roots & Family Ties

• [00:08–04:02]
  • Indi grew up in a small UK village surrounded by an extensive, close-knit family: “There's a lot of cousins, and everyone lives in the same village. Still to this day, everyone lives in this tiny…” (Indi, 01:28)
  • Her grandfather led the local church; her father and uncles formed the Christian rock band Delirious, leading to a unique blend of tour bus adventures and village life.
  • Parallels between Sadie and Indi’s upbringing in tight-knit, faith-centered families despite being continents apart.

2. Childhood On Tour & Experiencing Global Faith

• [04:02–06:28]
  • Indi’s childhood included traveling the world with her father’s band, witnessing worship in diverse cultures.
    • “It was the wildest childhood, seeing people experience Jesus in so many different ways...Once you see something like that, I don't think I could ever deny Him now.” (Indi, 05:09)

3. The Power of Sisterhood & Divine Encounters

• [07:36–10:18]
  • Sadie and Indi recount their providential meeting through mutual friends and share how both had separately dreamed of connecting before ever meeting.
    • “I drew a tiny little, like, hello ticket [to Sadie’s conference]...before we met, before we DM’d, before all that, literally.” (Indi, 09:51)
  • Shared belief in “dream journaling” as faith-building when God fulfills desires—small and large.

4. The Birth of Pink Letters: Standing Out as a Christian Teen

• [12:34–18:17]
  • Indi describes the isolating experience of being one of the only Christians at her school in the UK, coupled with universal teenage struggles:
    • “I was one of the only Christians in my school...I was one of the only girls that wasn't experiencing anxiety or panic attacks or self harm.” (Indi, 13:08)
    • Vivid stories of peers self-harming, crying in the school bathrooms, and being subjected to inappropriate comments highlight the dire need for encouragement among teenage girls.

5. Navigating Body Image, Peer Pressure, and Modesty

• [18:17–21:44]
  • Honest reflection by both Sadie and Indi on the tension between desiring attention and protecting one’s value and faith:
    • “Am I gonna dress this way because then guys will notice me more? But do I really want that?” (Sadie, 19:04)
    • Shared stories about small acts of resistance—like Indi not rolling her school skirt—to stand firm in conviction.

6. The Youth Pastor Gap: Deeper Conversations Needed

• [21:44–24:31]
  • Both recall feeling unseen in church with regard to girls’ real struggles around desirability and modesty.
    • “We talk about modesty...but can we talk about just the flesh wanting and desiring something and how to die to self?” (Sadie, 21:44)
  • Call for more open, honest, and practical conversations in faith communities.

7. Pink Letters: From One Sister to Many

• [24:31–29:38]
  • Pink Letters began when Indi’s younger sister asked for a letter with all the advice Indi would give her younger self. She extended this to her youth group and soon hundreds requested letters.
  • The letters, rooted in Scripture and personalized, became lifelines for girls, many of whom kept them in lockers or pockets for reassurance.
    • “If I need to remind myself who I am...go into the bathrooms and read this. And I'd basically taken scripture and put it into this letter.” (Indi, 28:03)
  • The ministry prioritizes “what’s in your hand” service: small acts for one person can ripple out to many.

8. The Weight of Influence and Dependence on God

• [38:03–41:56]
  • As Pink Letters grew, Indi grappled with the responsibility and potential impact her words could have, realizing the need for dependence on the Holy Spirit for every letter.
    • “Whatever I write in these letters has the impact to change a girl's thought process... God, you need to be with me in every single letter.” (Indi, 38:25)
    • Sadie recalls similar anxieties before speaking and shares wisdom from Priscilla Shire and Shelley Giglio: “God, would you take this word and divide it into every heart in this room?” (Sadie, 40:01)
    • The mark of a called leader is dependence, not self-confidence.

9. Status, Perseverance, and Growth

• [44:16–48:03]
  • Both discuss the temptation to feel too old or out-of-touch for youth ministry, yet highlight the importance of perseverance and faithfulness over trendy reinvention.
    • “People are in such a rush...they think, ‘I need to be doing my dream job...by the time I’m 25’...But you gotta sow seeds and water the ground.” (Sadie, 44:16)
  • Illustrated through parenting, ministry lessons, and even gymnastics with Sadie’s daughter Honey, emphasizing roots before fruit.

10. Global Impact & The Heart of a Father

• [49:40–54:19]
  • Pink Letters reach as far as Uganda, where Indi sent letters tailored to young mothers.
    • “God was so clear...I just want you to let them know that they are my daughter.” (Indi, 50:23)
  • Deep discussion about experiencing God as a loving Father who is “so proud of you,” not for your achievements but for who you are.

11. The Model & Invitation of Pink Letters

• [58:17–60:07]
  • Anyone can sponsor a girl (ages 11–18) to receive personal encouragement every month for $5/month (US) or £3.50 (UK).
    • “You sign up one girl at a time...they’ll get a letter every month until they turn 19.” (Indi, 58:17)
  • Sign up at pinkletters.uk.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Global Faith:
  “Once you see something like that, you’re just like, I don’t think I could ever deny Him now.”
  — Indi Kent, [05:09]

• On Letter Impact:
  “Inside the letter it says that if I need to remind myself who I am...go into the bathrooms and read this. And I’d basically taken scripture and put it into this letter.”
  — Indi Kent, [28:03]

• On the Simplicity of Obedience:
  “You didn’t do it for it to reach the world, you did it to reach your sister... If more people had the heart, ‘what can I do for my sister?’ you’ll be amazed at how that can touch the world.”
  — Sadie Robertson Huff, [29:38]

• On Leadership and Humility:
  “I would never ask someone to go on this stage who was totally confident...I trust the person who’s dependent on the Lord.”
  — Shelley Giglio, as paraphrased by Sadie, [41:56]

• On God’s Affirmation:
  “To think He is thankful...He’s so proud of who you are...The King of Kings knows my name, but also calls me daughter and is thankful for what I’m doing.”
  — Indi Kent, [54:19]

• On Parenting as Revelation of God’s Love:
  “You just want to be with them. You just want to hear how their day was...You’re just so proud of who they are. And it teaches you the lesson of, oh, that’s how God sees me.”
  — Sadie Robertson Huff, [54:19]

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How to Get Involved with Pink Letters

• Ages: For girls 11–18 (letters delivered until age 19)
• Sign-up: Individuals or sponsors can register at pinkletters.uk
• Cost: ~$5/month (US), £3.50/month (UK)
• Process: One girl per sign-up form; letters delivered monthly with personalized encouragement and scriptural truth.

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Follow & Connect

• Indi Kent:

  • @indikent (Instagram – fashion, encouragement, faith)
  • @pinklettersuk (Instagram – Pink Letters)

• Sadie Robertson Huff:

  • Podcast Home
  • @legitsadierob

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Episode Timestamps: Segment Highlights

• 00:08 – Welcoming Indi Kent; parallels in family upbringing
• 01:28 – Indi’s family and small village life
• 04:02 – Childhood on the road with Delirious
• 13:08 – The challenge of being a Christian teenager in the UK
• 17:01 – Peer struggles: self-harm, secrecy, gender expectations
• 19:15 – Living out faith amid cultural and peer pressure
• 24:31 – The birth of Pink Letters: advice to her sister, expansion to others
• 28:03 – Impactful stories of Pink Letters in action
• 38:25 – The responsibility and weight of speaking into the lives of young women
• 41:56 – Sadie on dependence vs. confidence in ministry
• 44:16 – Perseverance, slow growth, and commitment
• 49:40 – Pink Letters’ global reach (Uganda story)
• 54:19 – Experiencing God’s love as a Father
• 58:17 – How Pink Letters works and sign-up details

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Conclusion

This episode offers a moving testimony of God’s kindness in the everyday struggles of girlhood, the enduring value of simple encouragement, and obedience in the small things—trusting that God will multiply it for His glory. Both Sadie and Indi urge listeners: begin where you are, for the one in front of you. From insecurity to freedom, “it was all God.”

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Transcript

[A]

What's up, everybody? Happy Monday. I hope you're having a great start to your week, but this is about to bring some joy no matter where you are, because we have such a sweet sister and friend on the podcast today, and I cannot wait for you to hear her story. She is doing incredible things through Pink Letters, and I can't wait to get to that. But she's just an incredible friend. I'm so thankful to introduce her to all of you if you don't already know her. It's Indy Kent, all the way from England. Welcome to Louisiana again.

[B]

I know. Come on.

[A]

Two times in one year.

[B]

Yeah. I love it here. It reminds me of where I grew up. Just small town. Yeah. I'm like, everyone hates on the small town, but I'm for it.

[A]

I'm so for it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

People come here and they have. You know, they're like, what? Why do you live here? I'm like, no, you. You're missing the magic sauce. Like, this is where it's at. It's so special.

[B]

Everyone lives around the corner.

[A]

Yep. Like, yesterday I actually went to Hobby Lobby and I had, like. I had hat on, and I was like, call my husband. Like, just talk to me. I see, like, way too many people. I know. Like, I mean, that sounds terrible, but you know how it is. That's a small town. The blessing of it is that you see so many people, you know, everywhere you go, but on a bad day, you're like, I don't want to see anyone.

[B]

Everyone knows my business.

[A]

Everyone.

[B]

Yeah, it's so funny.

[A]

Okay, so tell us a little bit about where you grew up, because it is a little different than here.

[B]

It is. Yeah. So I grew up in the UK in a tiny little village, and my. My mom has five siblings, my dad has four, and so, like, one of five, one of four. And so there's a lot of cousins, and everyone lives in the same village. So still to this day, they, like, everyone lives in this tiny.

[A]

That actually is really similar to us.

[B]

Yes. And my grandpa led the local church.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

So we were all at the same church. We all went to the same primary schools and, like, was in the same friendship groups and just grew up walking around to each other's houses. And what's crazy as well is that my dad was. Is a musician. He was in a band, and he was in a band with all of my uncles. And so we also traveled together when the band would go travel and go on tour.

[A]

Tour Bus life.

[B]

Tour bus life. That was, like, my childhood. And so that was Me and all my cousins. So we all lived in this tiny, like, village.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah, we were all trav. Traveling, like, all over the world, but then you just come home, and you're like, no one. Like, no one cares here. And so, yeah, it was the best, but family has always been, like, so core to, like, who our values and who we are, even just as my family. But, like, there's so many of us. It's just always been, like, so ingrained in us. So cool family. Yeah.

[A]

And y', all, there's six of your siblings. Like, we had so much in common when we first crazy and lunch ritual to. And how we met, but I was like, whoa. Our lives are so similar. And it's so cool when you meet someone who lives, like, in a completely different part of the world and you have so many similarities. It's like, six kids and the tour bus life, and, you know, you're kind of going around in the world, but then you come back to this, like, really quiet, small town where no one cares, you know, in the best way. And I think that's such a blessing. Tell us a little bit about your dad's band, because people might be googling Indy Kent's dad right now.

[B]

He was a man called Delirious, which was kind of, like, 90s, 2000s era, and they were a Christian rock band that. That traveled around. And then, yeah, it was all my uncles in the band, which is hilarious. So it was just all family. But it started from, like, hosting youth events in this village. That's special. Yeah, it grew from, like, yeah, literally the local youth group, which is so cool.

[A]

That's crazy. How old were you?

[B]

I. I wasn't born when it started. Yeah, my. It was before my older sister Ellie was born, so she's 28 now.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

And so, yeah, it went. It ran for, like, 17 years, and that's why we just got to. We just got to travel the world. It was honestly, like, the wildest childhood to, like, be chatting with your mates, and they're like, what are you doing for this summer? And I'm like, I'm going to every state in America. Like, it's crazy, but for a day, it's not like, I'm traveling the world. I'm, like, seeing the car park of a venue, and I'm going to. But, yeah, like, it's not traveling the world, but it was. Yeah, it was the wildest childhood, seeing people, like, experience Jesus in so many different ways. Like, wow. Around the world, everyone does it and experiences him in such different ways. To do with their culture. And it was, yeah, nuts to be able to see. To see that. And once you see something like that, you're just like, I don't think I could ever deny him now.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

I just like, he is so real. And I just got to see his realness everywhere. And it was like, you guys don't know what these guys are doing, but yet you're somehow on the same page. And then you're speaking in a different language, but you're kind of saying the same thing, but in another language. I'm like, wow, only God can do this. Yeah, that's so cool.

[A]

It's so cool. A lot of people had told me about your family before I met y' all in the context of people would say, like, oh, you gotta meet Indy because she's doing so many similar things as you, but in the uk. Or you need to meet Martin Smith because he has the purest heart and the way they lead their family. And Anna, because, you know, we're about to step into going on a little bit of a tour. And I used to tour before I had kids and before I got married, but then whenever I got married, I was like, oh, that feels a little crazy to do with our family. And it was just like new territory. Yeah, right. And they were like, no, you need to meet Anna and, and them. And you need to ask them all their advice because they. People would say they're like the fun family on the road that's actually like pure hearted. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it's the bus you want to be on, but it's like wholesome, fun. And like, they just bring all the kids and they love Jesus so much and it just gave me so much hope that. Okay. And I know other people do that too. Like Carrie and Cody.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Are doing an incredible job with that. And Carrie is actually the one that

[B]

told me about you and likewise as well. She was like, you've got to meet Sadie. I was like, okay, one day, shout

[A]

out to Carrie because she got us here. But I just heard such wonderful things. And so, you know, to know you now and to hear your experience and your stories, like, I hope that, you know, one day honey is telling somebody, like, we got to see God in the craziest ways and he's so real and you can't deny him. And like, of course that is the reality that he is so real and we're seeing it. But so many times I think, like, people get so jaded, you know, and people can do things for the wrong reasons. But to be around so many like minded, pure hearted people, like, everyone I know, truly. I'm thinking of, like, all the people we've had on this podcast, people that I know who are doing, like, pure hearts. Like, we have great leaders in the world right now, and I'm thankful for that. And your family certainly is that. So I mentioned how we met, so Carrie actually told me. She's like, you got to meet this girl. She's amazing. She's doing these pink letters. Like, it reminds me so much of your heart. Like, you just need to meet her. And then we happen to be going to London and with our family.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I think I DM'd you. Yeah, I just DM'd you say yeah. And I was like, hey, I've heard a lot about you. You know, all this stuff. We should meet. I didn't realize, like, how far you lived from London. And you were like, yeah, let's have breakfast. I felt so bad. We even met in the morning.

[B]

No, no, no. I. I was like, I am going. Like, no matter what it takes, I'm coming. Because you.

[A]

How did you even get there? Was it like.

[B]

I just got the train.

[A]

The train? I thought that was so cool. You're like, yeah, I was just on the train. Popped on over. I was like, wait, how long was that?

[B]

No, honestly, I mean, where I live is kind of like a commuter town for people who work in London, so. But still, I was like, I'm seeing this girl like crazy. Yeah.

[A]

And we had, like, the best conversation. I literally didn't even realize how much time had passed. And then all of a sudden, Member Christian, like, shows up with the girls. He's like, let's go. We have a whole day. And I was like, okay, wait, what? It's been like two hours. Are you kidding me? We could have talked literally all day because we had so much in common. And then everything you were saying, I was like, yes, I want to champion that. Like, I want to be a part of it in any way I can. I want to shout that out to the world. And you were vice versa. You're like, hello, sister seems amazing. I want to come to conference. And then you and your mom and your sister ended up coming to conference. And it was the biggest blessing.

[B]

Loved it.

[A]

Tell the story a little bit, because you wrote this in the card because you had, like, prayed about coming or something before we even met.

[B]

This is nuts. I. At the beginning of this year, I was just like, I would. I have so many dreams for this year. And so I just drew them out and I just did like a picture journal. And I like drew all the things that I would love to see. And you know when you're like, these are sometimes like God things, it's like, God, if this isn't your will. But also I'm like, some of them were like, cute little, like, yeah, if that happens. That'd be so funny. And so I drew a ticket of the ELLO conference because me and my sister, every year, we were like, we've gotta go. Like one day, we just gotta do it. It looks so fun. And just we watched you from afar and we're just like, this girl is so legit. Like, we just gotta, like, see what she's doing over there. And so, yeah, I drew a tiny little like, hello ticket. And then.

[A]

And this is before we met, before we end you, like, before all that, literally.

[B]

And then, yeah, it was literally we met in February, so it happen so quickly. And then that is crazy.

[A]

So I decided to shout out God for that and dream journals, because I'm that I love that too. Like, I've done at the beginning of the year, like kind of vision for the year. And this would be so cool if this happened. And so many of those God has done. And it just increases your faith because you're like, whoa, like, you didn't even have to do that. That was just like the fun thing. But you did it.

[B]

He's so kind. He just like the sweetest gift. You're like, only my dad would know that. Oh, that's the best thing.

[A]

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[B]

Yes. Okay. So I really struggled at school, like, particularly high school, and I. I was one of the only Christians in my school. So that was, like, super tough in itself, but just the, like, amount of stuff I had to go through as a teenage girl. And like, I don't, I don't think my experience was like, anything extra. Like, I just think I probably had the baseline of what girls go through at school, plus being a Christian, which is, you know, already made me stand out in my school.

[A]

Yeah. Speak to that a little bit because that is different here than it is there.

[B]

Yeah. In the uk, like, if it's not such a common thing to basically say you're a Christian if you're not, like, practicing following Jesus and like, committing your life. So, like. Yeah. In the uk, if you say a Christian, you're like, you're going for it. No, it's not a cool thing to say at all.

[A]

Kind of a negative.

[B]

Yes. It's not like a moral. Yeah. It doesn't have the same thing here.

[A]

And you didn't really know a lot of Christians in your high school.

[B]

No, that was literally. Yeah. I think I was one of the only Christians in my. Yeah. In my school, which was. Is. Was really hard. And so I just found, I mean, I was one of the only girls that wasn't experiencing anxiety or panic attacks or self harm. And it was just so hard to be. To see and also see how just the world wasn't like, wasn't aware of what was going on. It felt like none of my youth leaders understood what was actually getting spoken about, like what guys were actually saying about girls. That's like really hard to repeat, but we should be repeating this is what's going on. Or how people speak about your body and the things that are supposed to just be jokes and like how. Yeah. How much just happened. And I just also was probably one of the first kind of generation to have phones at schools, which now I think they're like kind of retracting. But it was a free for all when I was in school. And so social media in school. Snapchat in the toilets, like in the bathroom. Sorry. Wow. So it was, it was so much. And I remember when I left school, I was like, I could not think of going back. Like, that was so hard. I would cry so much going into school and trying to be so strong in my faith and be bold and like, I'd get grilled about my faith and what I believed and it was so testing for my faith. But I remember just leaving and thinking, I just do not want to go back. Like, that was so hard.

[A]

What if, if you can remember, like some of the things specifically that felt so hard because I feel the same way. High school was brutal and Snapchat was awful and Twitter was just absolute war zone. Like, it was just so mean and Snapchat was so inappropriate. Twitter was so mean and cruel. And Instagram wasn't even like, that wasn't even the big thing. Instagram, I felt for us was kind of like, I just post whatever I want. It doesn't really matter. Like, it's not what it is now. Yeah, but that was so hard. I feel like girls were awful and guys were very inappropriate. I remember all that. Like, you're taking me back to it as you're talking about. I forgot. But when you mentioned Snapchat and you mentioned.

[B]

You're like, oh yeah.

[A]

I'm like, oh yeah, that was rough. And things guys were saying, like, I know I. It was bad, but obviously it's probably gotten a little worse because social media is only ramped up.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And just inappropriateness. But what are some of those feelings that you remember having? Like, when you say, like, baseline high school girl struggle, what does that look like?

[B]

I mean, I. I remember, and, like, I went to a nice school, so I don't want to paint this picture. Like, I. I went to a lovely school.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I remember I would be sitting in class and do you guys have, like, the pair of compasses? You know, where it's, like, you draw a perfect circle with the, like, tool that helps you draw a perfect circle? Do you know, probably call them a pair of compasses? But it has a needle on the end of it because you stamp it in the paper and then you can, like, make it. I was sitting next to a girl who was slitting her wrists with the needle.

[A]

Oh, my gosh.

[B]

And then I would be in piano, and I would see scars up my friend's arms because they would be playing the piano and their seas would raise.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

And I remember going into the toilets to the bathroom and, like, hearing crying in the corner. And one of my friends had gone to a clinic and got an abortion.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

And, like, this is. That. That is the reality. Like, it is so hard to get your head around that young girls are going through all of these things. But that is my. That is my experience. And that was, like, still, you know, six, seven years ago now. And so there was just so much that also you keep to yourself because there's just not really much room to bring that out to the table, especially if it's not your, you know, your own personal experience. You know, where do I process that? Where do I bring that out? You know, if. If my youth leaders aren't quite aware of, you know, what's going on. And, like, it's. It's some. It's a hard thing to talk about, but also, like, guys saying just, like, so much stuff about your body.

[A]

Like, when you said that, I remember, like, I. I specifically have this memory of needing to get up to get a tissue and not wanting to get up because I knew what certain guys would say literally just from me walking past the front, because they would be so inappropriate. And I was like, man, that's crazy. I had forgotten how that made you feel. And I remember as a girl, you're kind of trying to walk that line of, you know that's inappropriate, and, you know that's wrong. But then you're in high school, so, like, you want the attention, and it's like, no, but that's not right. Yeah, but if that's what guys want, like, you're.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The testing of your faith. Like, am I gonna dress this way because then guys will notice me more? But do I really want that from guys? Do I want them to notice me like that? But then am I. You know, that's. That's a hard thing.

[B]

Yeah, I know. It's so true. Even you say that. I remember, like, making a choice that I wasn't gonna roll my skirt up, or we wore, like, school skirts because we're in the uk. You have uniforms, and it was like a kilt, but every girl would roll their skirt up. And I was like, that is one thing. Like, that I'm not gonna fall susceptible. I'm not gonna fall to that. I'm not gonna. I don't need to do that. But there's something so, like, fun about that. Oh, just like. Just a little one. But I'm like, no. Okay. Like, what is my things that I really believe in? And. Yeah, it is. I mean, but then it's. It's hard because in the same breath, there's also some really funny. I have some funny memories. I remember this guy. I remember this. I was preteen, you know, when it's like little buds, you know, let's be honest, it's like, there's nothing there. But I remember a guy coming up to me and being like, indy, if you didn't have feet, would you wear socks? And I was like, no, probably not. It's like, well, why do you wear a bra then?

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Wait. That's actually kind of funny, but also devastating.

[A]

Hilarious.

[B]

Okay, but, like, that is, like, the funny part of things. You kind of have to laugh as well, where it's like, there are moments. There's really tough moments, but then there's also moments you're like, okay, we are all teenagers, and, like, we're all figuring this out together. And it's kind. There are moments where you just got laugh.

[A]

Oh, I love that you said. Because, yes, there's so many funny moments. And when I think back, although I was like, I was strong in my faith, I also really struggle with that. And thinking about the wrestle that was now, I'm like, I'm more confident to make those decisions. But back, like, the other day, I put on my little, like, leggings, and I had, like, a cropped jacket. And then right before I left the house, I, like, caught a glimpse of myself in the mirror. I was like, I shouldn't wear this like, this is not a damn, I look cute. I was like, I literally said to Christian, I said, I look so much cuter with this crop jacket.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I'm gonna go back in there and I'm gonna put on a bigger, well done sweatshirt. And I was like. And it's, it's frustrating because I look a lot cuter in this. But that's to me, I actually do not want a man to look at me inappropriately. And so I'm not going to do that, you know? And, you know, people can argue that all day long and be like, well, men need a bubble. I'm like, okay, yes. But also, like, I can respect myself in this way. I don't want that unwanted attention.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So if I'm home, I'll wear the crop jacket and look all cute for my husband. But I don't need to, like, wear this to academy to get my hunting gear when I'm about to be around a bunch of men. Like, you know what I mean? Discernment, you know, it's so true. It's just like, I've grown in that where it does, like, it's okay. I don't have to look that way. But I'm also married now, so I feel more confident. But when you're in high school, it's like, I don't want that attention. But then I kind of do like that my flesh is telling me I do. But I know that's actually not right, you know, and so I empathize. Thinking back to high school, it's easier now to say that and laugh about it. It's really hard when you're in it. And so many college girls and high school girls are listening to this podcast and going like, wow, you see me. And I love what you're saying about, like, the youth pastor not speaking to that because I was in church that whole time and no one, I never heard, you know, the youth pastor be, like, speaking to that problem necessarily. Like, we talk about modesty, we talk about that, but, like, can we talk about just the flesh wanting and desiring something and how to die to self and how to, you know, you know, push back that flesh and really invite the fruits of the spirit in and how to trust that God sees you and has you in those moments. Like, there's just a deeper conversation to be had. Yeah. So I just, I love what you're saying and I know we're, we're. I know we're going around about way to tell the story, but no, no, I like, love that it needs to be said. I'm glad you're saying it. Okay, I want to share something that shifted how I see Easter, and I don't say that lightly. So. Tim Tebow and his wife Demi are friends of mine, and I've always been so inspired by the way they live out their faith. Faith. So boldly and sincerely. But Tim's new book, if the Tree Could Speak, it hit me in a whole new way. I have it right here. It tells the story of Jesus crucifixion through the eyes of the cross itself, the closest witness to that day. And y', all, it is powerful. Even though we know the story of what happened on the cross, we can get so familiar with it that we don't reflect long enough on what that actually means. And I love that this book showed me and shifted my perspective to the closest witness that day, the cross. Such an interesting perspective and so cool. I never thought about that before. And also, it is a. A beautiful book. I love the imagery. I'm a big art person, and I love to look at pictures, and it is absolutely beautiful and very gripping because it's telling the story of Jesus, obviously. If the Tree Could Speak is written in rhyme form. The illustrations are gorgeous, like I mentioned, and it walks through the journey all the way to the Resurrection. With Easter coming up, this is such a meaningful way to prepare your heart. Whether you read it alone with your family, or even in a small group. Check out Tim Tebow's book, if the Tree Could Speak, Order today on Amazon.

[B]

Yeah, so the reality of school was just hard and, like, yeah, like you said, even through church and having community, like, it was still hard. And that's okay to. To kind of say, but I left school. But I have two younger sisters, Mary and Ruby, and they were. I started. I left school, and then I watched them come home from school. And it was a. Was all the same stuff. It was like, repeat just, like, the same troubles, the same struggles with hot and cold friends. Like, one day you're my friend, one day you're not. Hold on. Explain that. So many different things that they would then go through. And it was like a mirror holding up to my face of like, oh, my gosh. I know so well what this is like for them. The reality was so hard to, like, face. And then I just was really struggling. I was like, why? Why? Like, how can I do something that would just, like, help? I can't solve every problem. Like, I can't. I am not the Savior. You know, I can't save them. But what Can I do that's in my hands that could just help my little sisters. And I was talking to my little sister Ruby, and I said to her, rube, like, what can I do here? Like, how can I help you? Like, I just feel so frustrated at this problem and I just don't know what to do. And she said, do you know what? Could you just write me a letter of, like, everything you'd love to tell your younger self? I was like, I think I can do that. Like, I can buy some paper, I can buy some envelopes, I can buy some stamps. And so I. I then was a yoke, a local youth leader, a yoga leader.

[A]

I thought you said yoga.

[B]

A yoga leader. And I was a. Yeah, local youth group lead end. So I was like, I wonder if the girls in that group would like one too. And so I basically made a Google form. So sketchy. Now, looking back to it, it was like I was 18 and I put it out on Instagram and I just said, if there is any girls in the ages of 11 to 18 that would love some encouragement, every month, I would love to send you a letter and share everything. I would like to tell my younger self not to do what to do or how navigate certain situations and just encourage you in this time and that day. I was just not expecting it at all, but I had like hundreds of signups and I was like, wow, this is so needed. Like, there's so many girls looking for encouragement in this time, in this season, or just looking for help and guidance and someone who just understands. And so I went out and I got pink paper and pink envelopes because I was like, that's fun and girly. And so that's where pink letters came from.

[A]

So cool.

[B]

And, yeah, it was so fun. I just started writing very simple letters and it gets addressed to the girl, which is so beautiful. So, like, the name gets inputted into the letter. And what started to happen was these girls would get these letters and they would just start plastering them on their bedroom walls or in lockers. And there's this one story I love, which is this mum was cleaning out this, her daughter's blazer at the end of the school year and she was like, emptying out all the pockets to put it in the washing machine. And she found one of these pink letters in the inside pocket. And she asked her daughter, like, what is this? And her daughter had said, oh, that's like, that's a pink letter. And inside the letter it says that if I need to remind myself who I am, and the truth of who I am go in and read this and go into the bathrooms and read this. And I'd basically taken scripture and put it into this letter. And so this girl had opened this letter so many times and read this truth over herself in the school cubicle, toilet cubicle, that she. It completely faded. Wow. And this mum was like, I just have to tell you, like, this is what's going on. And so that was wild for me to see. But then also the fact that this truth is living on bedroom walls. And so then now we. My husband's a designer and he designs the back cover of it. And so we make a poster on the back of kind of what the letter's about. And so now there's like posters. It's like what was magazine covers is now what I pray is truth, you know, on like on girls bedroom walls.

[A]

So cool.

[B]

So, yeah, that, that's. And now, yeah, it's just they've had

[A]

the pink letters all over Ello Conference. Yes. All in the bathrooms. And they're so cute. Like the little designs of them are so cute. And I'll be like, God sees you, you are loved. Oh, hey girl. Like, they're so fun, like, but then they carry so much depth and so much truth. And I love how God has just taken this simple thing because I always tell people, like, use what you have, like what's in your hands.

[B]

Right?

[A]

And that's such a practical story of like you going, what can I do for my sister? I mean, it's the ultimate sister and friend moment. Like, what can I do for my sister? Can you write me a letter? Yes. I could probably do this for some more people too. Local youth group. Can you write me a letter? Yes. Now it's multiplied, but like, you didn't do it for it to reach the world, you did it to reach your sister. And I think that, like, if more people had the heart, what can I do for my sister? You'll be amazed at how that can touch the world.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I think so many times, like, we're thinking too, like, of the world that we miss. Like the sister moment. And like that, that is where the magic's at. Like, that's where God really gives you the heart of like, what to speak to. Because I think of, even for me, whenever I started Live Original, I had written the book, but I hadn't spoke or done anything like that. And I was like, exact same thing. I was struggling in high school. I was insecure. Everybody I knew was insecure. Yeah, Everybod I knew struggled with body image. Everyone I knew struggle with the whole guy thing. Like, it was just hard, and I was tired of it. I was like, why is this so. Like, why is this so normal?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And why has this just become okay? It's almost like we expect to struggle with those things. We expect it to be like that. So it's not even, like, something that you talk about as a bad thing. It just is what it is.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I was just sick of it. And. And at the time, I was also feeling a lot of,

[B]

I think, guilt. Wow.

[A]

Because a lot of people would. This was when goals was a thing, like your goals. And, like, I would post pictures. It was like, goals, goals, goals. But I was, like, so insecure.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So I felt this, like, guilt of, like, people think I'm confident and I'm not.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And people think, like, this image is the goal. But I actually really struggle. And so anyways, I had just, like, gotten out of the shower. My hair was, like, wet. I had no makeup on. I had. I think I had, like, my pajamas on. And I talk about sketch. This is so sketch. I turned on imovie. That's the only thing I had on my computer. And I, like, hit the button, and it was like, literally, curtains. And it said, 3, 2, 1, and the curtains came off. And I was like, hey, I'm Sandy Robertson.

[B]

Oh, my goodness.

[A]

What am I doing?

[B]

The confidence is incredible.

[A]

I didn't even have a YouTube channel. I didn't even do this. I just was like, I'm just going to do this for me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because I just want to have this. And for my sister. Literally, my little sister. And so I make this video, and I'm like. And God looks at. You know, I talk about how a man looks at the upward guy, looks at the heart. And I talked about the heart and about how I am insecure. And I was like, this is what I. Now I wouldn't do this because I feel like I'm more aware of, like, sharing body size, like, what you wear. But I went through the sizes that I was, and I said, and I'm insecure, and I struggle. And, like. Like. Because I remember at the time, I was doing a little bit of modeling, and I realized, like, every one of the models was tiny, but they were insecure, and they were, like, still striving for something else. And I kind of was me saying, like, I'm not going to keep, like, waiting until I get to a certain thing to be confident. Like, I'm just going to be confident now. And I'm going to Live Original. So I do this message of Live Original. My sister gets back from youth group. She walks in my room. She's like, what are you doing? I'm like, I just made this little video. And I was like. And I just really made it for me. And if you think, like, it should going out, like, you tell me. Or if this is, like, cringy. I don't even know if we use the word cringy, but I was like, if this is, like, not cool, then, like, tell me.

[B]

Oh, my gosh, you can count. Only your younger sister.

[A]

I know. Like, that's cringey as well. That's the scariest person to show something to you. And so Bella watched it and she was like, say, this is really good. And this is actually really helpful. And so she helped me make a YouTube channel, and I posted the video on YouTube. And to this day, it's my biggest video ever posted on YouTube. And yeah, to this day, nothing has beat it. I've done this for like, what, 10 years. Nothing funny has beat that. Maybe our wedding video, okay? But I don't even think our wedding video beat it. And that is. It was crazy because right after I posted it, Good Morning America literally called and had me on the show to talk about the video because it was so vulnerable and so. And at the time, like, now we see people do stuff like that. That wasn't like, you didn't just get on and just share your biggest insecurity with no makeup on. You know, that just wasn't a thing. And it was so controversial contrast to what was out there on social media. And I was talking about faith and Jesus. So Good Morning America had me on. I got to tell the story of Live Original. And that kick started everything I'm doing. But again, it was for my sister, it was for me. And so I think that you do have to simplify, like, what's in your hands, what's in your heart, what's the need around you? I heard a girl yesterday. She. It was so crazy. She's one of our LA local ambassadors now. And I was just. I thought I was meeting her for the first time. And so I was, you know, hey, tell me your story. Like, how'd you get involved being an ambassador? Because we were meeting all of our local ambassadors. And she said, well, actually, we met a few years ago in a coffee shop. I go, oh, my gosh, I remember. And I said, you asked me, like, a really specific question, didn't you? She was like, yes, she's like, I actually came up to you and I said, I want to do what you're doing. How do I start? And she said, you said to me, well, if you're looking at my life and you're thinking it's a stage or you're thinking it's a podcast, whatever, she's like, I said to her, don't think like that. Start with where you're at with what you have. And she said, when you said that, I was like, like, duh. And so she was like, I started to look for local things to get involved with Bible studies and stuff. And then one thing led to another and my team doesn't know we had this encounter. This is years later. And now she's our local ambassador leading the Bible study because she's been doing this for the last couple years since we'd met. Like, what? Such a good example of, like, what do you have in your hands? What's in your heart? What do you have in your hands to actually do something about it? And if God decides to give it a platform for him, God will.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But if not, you bless your sister, you bless your friends, you bless your community. And sometimes, I mean, not sometimes, that. That is a huge impact. Like, that's always going to be a huge impact. It's not really the number, but it's truly like, if you change someone's life, if you change someone's heart, that's so significant. Spring is right around the corner, and it is time to get back outside. Every year, I decide I want a cute yard, but heading into one of those hu garden centers immediately feels overwhelming. And that's why I love Fast Growing Trees. They're America's largest and most trusted online nursery, with thousands of trees and plants and over 2 million happy customers. What makes it so different is that they actually help you figure out what will work for your climate, your space, and your lifestyle. We've ordered a couple of trees for our yard, and they show up healthy and thriving and ready to plant. It's so simple. It teaches you how to make them thrive. Plus, everything is backed with their alive and thrive guarantee, which is great for someone like me who doesn't exactly have a green thumb. They have over 6,000 plants to choose from. Fruit trees, privacy trees, flowering trees, shrubs, even house plants. So whether you have a big yard, little patio, or you're needing to freshen up your dorm room, Fast Growing Trees has something that fits. Their plant experts are available to help you plan and care for your plants so that you don't just have to be a gardening pro to make it work. Just click, order and grow. Honestly, after that ice storm, our yard is looking not so cute. So I need to get back on fast growing trees and do a little, you know, a little sprucing in our yard. We need a little level up. So I'm excited for what I'm gonna get this year too. Right now they have great deals on spring planting essentials. Up to half off on select plants. And listeners to Our show get 20 off their first purchase when using the code Whoa at checkout. Don't miss that, friends. It's a big one. That's an additional 20 off. Better plants and better growing at fast growingtrees.com using the code WHOA at checkout basketrees.com with the code WHOA. Now is the perfect time to plant. Let's grow together. Use Whoa to save today. Offer is valid for a limited time. Terms and conditions may apply. So you did this for your local people, but then it kind of began to explode. What did that look like for you? Because you weren't necessarily expecting that.

[B]

I was not expecting it. And actually, if I'm really honest, I was terrified. Like when I suddenly felt I would see the number of girls that I was sending a letter to, and I just felt. Felt so responsible. I was like, I'm gonna screw up all of these girls lives.

[A]

Cause you had so much input. Is that what you felt?

[B]

Yeah, I was just like that. Whatever I write in these letters has the impact to change a girl's thought process or to, you know, have her act a different way. Like, you know, that is the impact. And that's why everything is rooted in scripture. But more like I was just so. It felt so weighty. I just felt like I cannot. I feel like I just felt so serious in a way. I was like, God, you need to be with me in every single letter, and I need to know you're in every letter to know that the Holy Spirit carries with these letters and meets the girl. Because this is another thing, is you can give someone advice, and it might be the right advice for one girl and the wrong advice for the next. And so it has to be like, the Holy Spirit has to be part of it where he. He can cover.

[A]

I'm smiling because I get this. That. That right there was crippling for me for a really long time before. I would, like, preach places, especially at, like, Passion, where it was like, such a big room.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I would be like, well, if I say this, then what about the person who just went through. And then how is that going to sound again? And then ultimately it's like, you have to offer that to the Lord and trust that God. I remember hearing Priscilla Shire pray before she spoke one time, and it's really weird because you know how, like, people pray for they speak, but you don't really remember what they prayed. Yeah, but I, like, remember her praying this. She prayed, God, would you take this word and divide it into every heart in this room?

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And I remember thinking, like, that's it. Like, you're going to divide this, this message and you're going to divide it into the way that every single person needs to hear it, and they're going to hear it the way you intended for them to hear. And it's amazing because I remember one time specifically preaching a message, and then I thought about someone I knew in the room and what they had just went through. And I thought, I wonder how that landed on their ears. Just because what they're going through. Sorry. Not that what I said wasn't true, but that might be confusing to them with what they just went through. So I took that person to coffee and you don't always get that opportunity. But I actually knew this person, so I was able to. And I was amazed at the way she heard it and how God met her in it. And I felt like the Lord reminded me, like, it's not my responsibility necessarily. Like, that's the Holy Spirit's job, you know, like, it's our job to be faithful in what he called us to do. And the Holy Spirit is going to, like, work the heart. But that is a weight that I really do understand, and I think that. But I also think that's why God chose you. I think that's a pure heart. I remember Shelley Giglio telling me one time I was so scared to speak at Passion for this reason. And I was like, I just saw, how do you trust me to do this? I don't. And I was like, I just don't. Like, what if I say the wrong thing? And blah, blah. And she was like, this is why we trust you, because we trust God in you. And she was like, and because we know that you're dependent on him. And she said, I would never ask someone to go on this stage who was totally confident. And I was like, that's actually really cool. Like, she's like, I wouldn't trust someone who was totally confident. I, like, trust the person who's dependent on the Lord. And so I think it's a beautiful wrestle to wrestle out with The Lord. But I think the weight and the way you carry it is something beautiful, but can feel heavy.

[B]

Yeah, 100%. It really can. And there's a fine line of fear. And then, like, holy fear. Just like the fear of the God, the fear of the Lord, really, And then fear of man and how, you know, on a good day, it's like, great, let's go. And then on a bad day, you're like, I've screwed up this letter. I send a letter out and I'm like, what have I just said? Like, what have I done? But yeah, you're so right. And it's. It's a funny thing as well. Like, with. With it being so simple. Like, it's not. It's not anything that, like. Like exciting, you know, what it is to me. But also it's like, it's just pen and paper and a stamp and an envelope. And it's been a real challenge as well, of the natural trajection of kind of organizations or. Or businesses in what kind of comes next. And it's been really. It's been a real challenge where I feel. He's called me, he's asked me to write these letters, and then what. Where my mind goes is great. So then I'll. I'll do this and then I'll do this and this and this and this. And like, I'm gonna. Okay, great. And that's what, that's what you got to me. Got me to do. And then I'm like, whoa. No, just letters at the minute. Like, just obedient with the letters. And it's been seven years now. And honestly, like, the, The. The. The perseverance he's built in me through this. Like, there's been so many times where I'm, like, getting older now. Maybe I don't really understand or, you know, should I. Should. Yeah, what, what. What should I do? Should I keep going? Or is this, like, has this had its time? Should I pass the baton to someone else? Like, but the simplicity of the. Just like, I just want you to do this. Like, just this is what I have for you. And, like, keeping it. And maybe one day he'll be like, great, let's do this. Let's do this together. Let's do that. But even that of like, oh, yeah, okay. Just. Just where I am not right now is okay. Yeah, but it is. Is weighty.

[A]

That is something that, that as you're talking, I'm like, hm, that's so interesting. I feel like. I feel like it's almost a scheme of the enemy to plant those, like, doubts. Like, oh, do I not get it now I'm older or whatever? Because I feel that, like, when you're talking, I'm like, man, I say the same things. And then I'm like. But then when you hear other people talk about the way they see you, the way that you're like, really? Do you think that? Like, because you're like, I don't see that myself like that. Right. I don't see this like that. But I think that one thing that I think in general this generation struggles with is committing to something and persevering through something. And we sow so many seeds in the ground and water, and then we just walk away and just. We're like, that didn't work. Do this, do this, do that. And then you look back and it's like, you didn't grow anything and the fruit didn't happen. But, like, like, because people are in such a rush and. And they think, like, okay, I need to be doing my dream job or everything God put in me by the time I'm 25. And that's just not realistic. Like, you might be on the path of that, but, like, you got to sow seeds and water the ground and, like, plow.

[B]

Like you.

[A]

It takes time before you actually see things grow. And even when you start to see it grow and it's beautiful, God's going to buy his grace. Keep putting more in your. To grow this, like, garden, to grow this, like, field. It's not. It's not just necessarily one thing, but I do. There is something to, like, sticking with that ground, sticking with that plan, sticking with that design that he gave you, even if it takes a lot of time. And ultimately, there's a blessing in that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I was actually just telling Honey that the other day with her schoolwork. I was, like, telling her, because I showed her something she did at the beginning of the school year, and she was like, that's terrible. And I was like, and she's so hard on herself. I said, and I'm showing you that to show you how far you've come. And I was like, like. And. And even in the same vein, she's doing gymnastics, and she, like, wants to do this back hands when she's four years old. And so I'm teaching her, like, how we're going to. For right now, honey, all we're going to do is we're going to sit and then we're going to jump up with our hand straight. That's all we're going to do what she practices, and she practices every day. She's like, I just want to do it. I just. I'm ready to do it. I said, honey, it's going to take you a long time to do it, because practically your arms aren't even long enough yet to protect your head. But we're going to do stretches right now that eventually when you do it, it's all going to come together perfectly. And I was tell. Use the example of a tree. And I was like, you see all these trees? I'm like, do you know how they had to start a seed in the ground and water? And I said, and then roots had to grow, honey. And then one day this tree came, and I was like, right now what we're doing is we're establishing the roots in the ground. We're doing the fundamentals of a back handspring. And when your body physically grows big enough to do it, you're going to be able to do it because your roots are going to be strong. And I'm trying to, like, give her that vision for the future. And so I think God gives you that vision for the future to go, okay, what I'm working on now eventually is going to build to that. But I can't give up right now what I'm doing and throw this away and go any other way to get there. Like, I physically can't get there yet, you know? And so I think it's cool. I just. As you were talking, I was like, man, I'm experiencing that in my own life. You are. And then the lesson I'm giving honey speaks to us. Sometimes I do feel like child, childlike faith. I've. I feel this way. I feel like I look at that verse differently now that I have kids, because when I break it down for them, I understand it more myself. And I'm like, oh, that makes so much sense. I physically just can't get there yet. But that doesn't mean that that's not the right goal and that's not the right vision. I just have to work towards it right now. And the steps to get there are really simple. It's sitting and jumping, you know, wow. But it's building something.

[B]

Oh, my gosh, that's so beautiful.

[A]

I remember whenever we started low and I had all the what ifs? What if I fail? What if it isn't where I need to be? And looking back, I can see so clearly that God had his hand in the whole thing. Starting something new is exciting, but it's also very Scary. And that's why I'm thankful for Shopify. Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10% of all all e commerce in the US from massive brands to tiny startups. Team Low starts on Shopify every single day for managing inventory and staying on top of orders. It just works. You can build a beautiful online store with templates that actually match your vibe. And their AI tools are game changers. They help write product descriptions, page headlines, even enhanced product photos. Plus everything's in one place. So inventory, payments, analytics and they have a 24, 7 customer support. It really feels like you have a built in business partner. Partner. I think it's so amazing. For anyone starting out a business this is the place to do it. Like I said, we do it for low duck Commander does it. It's just honestly very simple and does everything for you. It's time to turn those what ifs into with Shopify today. Sign up for your $1 per month trial today at shopify.com Whoa. Go to shopify.com Whoa. Again that shopify.com Whoa. But I, I think what you're doing, it's, it's so cool how God's already showed you glimpses of the impact like Uganda. What I know about that, that was nuts.

[B]

I had a girl reach out to me with her mom and they said we're going on a missions trip to Uganda to this home where girls are in like rehabilitation. They've like teenage, teenage girls who have either pregnant or have just had a baby and they're living in poverty and don't have the support around them. And so it's kind of, it's the home for teenage moms and we would love, and they said we would love to take some of these letters out to these girls. And I was just like mind blown that letter that I could write a letter that would reach a young mum in Uganda. And so we worked on a letter and we translated it partly and it was, I was praying about it and it just was like God was so clear. I'm just like I just want you to them to know that they're my daughter. Like that that was all I got from God was like just repeat it as many times. But they are my daughter. And I think like there's something so powerful about like the dad and the daughter thing. And it just like wrecks me every time because I'm like he's such a good dad. And we like that is like our first love. Like that's who we see like that's like our. That's our reference point for everything. And so then to, like, write a letter to probably a lawyer, a lot of girls who don't have a dad was just, like, the wildest thing. Like, God, you would use me to say that, to remind them that. And so, yeah, I got to, like, got to write. Yeah, this letter out. And they took. They took these letters out, and they sent me a picture of this, like, line of women with their pink letters standing. And it just has, like, a. My husband. Husband drew a little girl holding onto a hand, and they were just holding her up, and it was just. It's wild, but it's so, like, kind of not jumping back, but slightly when, you know, you said just now, like, oh, honey's so hard on herself. I'm like, it's so interesting. And I don't know if you relate to this at all, but, like, there's still such a, like, fight of, like, oh, God, am I doing what you want me to do? Like, am I. And it's like, every day fighting for, like, I just want to do what you want me to do every day. Like, I still. Sometimes, oh, I just want to do the right thing. I just, like, am I doing enough? Like, am I reading my Bible enough? Am I putting enough time to it? Sometimes I'm like, gosh, I get so distracted. Like, sometimes, you know, I don't spend, you know, my days thinking about it, and I'm like, oh, my gosh, like, you've given me this. Like, how. But how? I actually had a friend, this lady. She's a pastor in our local area. I don't actually know her that well, but she just said that she wanted to come and see me, and she sat across from the table, and she just said, I. Sorry. I. I just wanted to come here and tell you that God is just so thankful for what you're doing. Wow. And I was just like, wow. To think he is thankful, like, you know, of, like, gosh, I feel like I'm just constantly trying to please my dad. Like, constantly trying to, like, how am I doing? You know, all these wonderful things. Like, oh, like, just, like, he's so proud of, like, of you and, like, what you've done. And, like, he's so proud of Honey and he's so proud of us. And it's, like, such a wild concept to think, like, the king of kings knows my name, but also calls me daughter and is thankful for what I'm doing. My tiny little letters and my, you know, words that I. You Know, I'm trying to. Yeah. You know, get from him and all, you know, sitting at my desk. And no one is. And even for you. I'm like, no one's. There's so many moments no one will ever see, but he's just, like, so wild. It's so wild.

[A]

To me, just once, your presence, like, you do see that when you become a parent, because when your kids get home, you know, or you get home from work or your kids go home from school or whatever, like, you don't want them or need them to do anything for you or, like, impress you or perform or do whatever. It's like, you just want to be with them. You just want to hang out with them. You just want to hear how their day was and, like. And you're just so proud of them. Not because they did anything. Like, my kids are 4 and 2. They're not doing, like, super impressive things, but, like. And a baby. But you're just so proud of who they are, that they're just everything about them. Their smile, the way that they light up, the way that they make people laugh, the good friends that they are at other people. Like, you're just so proud of him, who they are. And it teaches you the lesson of, like, oh, that's how God sees me. Like, you see it? You're like, oh, you see me? Like, I see them. Oh, I've looked at this wrong, you know, And I remember one day, it was before a conference last year, and I was just, like, overwhelmed. So many things. And at the time had two kids and felt that that was crazy. Little John O3 was going to be crazier. And I was just like. I felt like I just wasn't doing enough in any area of my life. Like, I was like, I'm not doing the best job I could do as a mom or as a wife or as someone leading elo. And it was like. It's just like, nothing was going, like, great on my behalf. I was just like, I'm just not giving anything my best. And so finally, I was trying to. And so finally, after, like, a final, finally felt like, got the kids down and did this and that and blah, blah. I was like, okay, I'm gonna go spend time with the Lord. And I had geared up to come to the Lord, like, repentant, like, I'm sorry, Lord. Like, I haven't spent time with you. Haven't. Like, I was just about to, like, apologize. Like, I just haven't been enough. And I go outside and I sit on my porch and before I could even say a word, I just felt the overwhelming presence of a loving father. And I started to cry and I was like, like you don't need me to say I'm sorry. You don't even want me to say I'm sorry. Like you don't even. Cuz you're not sitting here thinking I'm not doing enough. You just love me. You're just actually for me. And you're kind.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it was so. I can't even explain the feeling because it's like when God speaks to you. I was trying to explain this to Honey the other day cuz she was like, when you say God told you that cuz she heard me talking about Kit's name story. Oh yeah. And she was like, did you like how do you hear him if he doesn't talk? And I said, well he does speak, but instead of like hearing the way you naturally hear with your ears, when God speaks, he speaks to your heart. So it's more of a feeling you feel. And that's kind of how I would explain this moment. It wasn't. I didn't feel somebody hug me, but I felt like I was hugged, you know, like I felt like I was loved. And later that night we have security cameras and I said, can you like pull up our cameras and go back to when I walked outside? And it was so cool. We watched it back. It was as if I like, it was so crazy looking because I walk outside and I sit down and then all of a sudden I'm like just melt and just cry. And I was like, that was the moment I felt so loved. And it was just like the coolest thing. It was just the coolest experience. And so it's amazing to walk with God, dad. It's truly a relationship. It's not. It is a relationship. It's a 247 thing. It's a father to a daughter. And it is, it's stunning. I want to ask lastly about how pink letters operates because I know there's sponsorships involved and I know girls are listening. Like I want a pink letter. Or moms are listening and they want their daughters to have pink letters. Talk about how you get one, how the sponsorship works. I think it's a beautiful model.

[B]

Yeah. So it's, it's quite special. It's in the way that the mom or the parent or anyone in this girl's life sponsors them. And I think it's significant because it's like you're choosing to sew into that girl like almost like subconsciously through something practical. But then also I think it's, it's allowing someone ahead of a girl to basically say like, I care about your well being. I also care about. I know, I see you. I think that's it. I see you. So what happens is that you go to the website and you can sign up. The website is pinkletters.uk but it's, it's a, like a global website. You can, can anyone can go on it and you can sign up a girl and you just sign up one girl at a time. So if you've got sisters or siblings, just put them on separate signups. But it's $5 in the US it's £3.50 in the UK per month. And that pays for the envelope and the paper postage, mailing. And basically from that your, the girl you sign up will get a letter every month until they turn 19. And so yeah, you can, you can sign up as many girls in your life as you want and there will be a letter at their doorstep.

[A]

That's so cool. Can you sign yourself up?

[B]

You can. Okay, cool. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, you can. That's awesome. I love this so much. So what, what's the age bracket? One more time.

[B]

So 11 to 18. You're allowed on. So basically on the day they're 19, you're allowed one. It's like just I guess the teenage years.

[A]

That's really, really, really cool. So all of you moms listening, I know you're gonna want to get this for your daughters. I think it's the most beautiful thing. Obviously you see who's behind it, purest heart. So pinkletters.uk you can sign your daughters up, you can sign your youth group up. Whatever that looks like for y'. All. I love your story, Indy and, and more than that, I love who you are. I think you'. And whenever I met you I was like, everyone in the world needs to know about this. And so if I can even do the small part and blasting this out to people, I'm grateful. But not even just that. Just introducing them to another incredible influence. I know you use your Instagram in such a cute way too. Not, I shouldn't say cute in a, in a really beautiful way cute seems like undercutting what you do. But her fashion is so amazing. So her Instagram is fashion and so cute. You and your husband, like, like your husband, it's so funny because he's from Florida, but he's like the most British looking person I've ever seen.

[B]

I know, I was like, I had to go across the pond to find you. Yet you get less and less exotic as the days go by. He sounds British now.

[A]

I'm like, down the street. He looks, like, in, like, British movies. Like, Notting Hill. Like, he looks like he should be in that movie for some reason to me.

[B]

That's so funny.

[A]

That's so funny. But y' all are so adorable. And then she also has her pink letters Instagram as well, that you can follow. But if there's any influencer worth being followed, it's indie, so go check her out. And thank you for coming all this way. I guess you didn't have to come from the uk. You came from Florida. But thanks for coming over here for the podcast.

[B]

Such an honor. Thank you for having me. This is the best.

[A]

Such a gift.