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How I Forgave Myself & How We Forgave Each Other | Korie Robertson | Al & Lisa Robertson
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Corey Robertson
Hey there. Welcome to what? That's good. I hope you're having a great week, but it's about to get so, so much better because we have two great guests, Al and Lisa Robertson. Welcome again.
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Al Robertson
Good to be back again to. What's our first time with you, though?
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Corey Robertson
Yeah. A new host in the chair.
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Al Robertson
We call this the elevated host. I mean, when you go to mom, that's. That's impressive.
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Corey Robertson
Well, at least you said elevated, not older or. I thought you were going to say elderly.
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Al Robertson
This is not my first rodeo, Corey. I know how this works. I would never.
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Corey Robertson
It was like elderly elevated. I'll take elevated. You'll take that? Yes. Sadie is loving on baby Kit and loving just the mom life and recovering and all the things from C section and everything and just doing.
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Al Robertson
Lisa's been having major baby Kit envy because, like, we get the pictures and she's like wanting to be here. So it's the first time we've been home in a while, so I'm sure she's gonna have some time.
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Lisa Robertson
I've been holding onto her and a while ago, I was telling the girls, I said, you know, if Kit's around here somewhere, I could just hold her while we're doing the interview and we'd be perfectly fine.
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Corey Robertson
We should do that. Just hold Kit the whole time.
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Lisa Robertson
That's right.
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Corey Robertson
She is so sweet. Yes. And Sadie's just doing now mom of three little girls, which is a little bit crazy. You know, I can't believe that my.
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Lisa Robertson
I told Christian, I said, christian, do you know why you have three little girls? And he said, no, why? And I said, because God trusts you. He trusts you with the lives of three little girls. And I said, so hang on to that and, you know, be that dad that protects those little girls. And he said, he Said, thanks for saying that.
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Al Robertson
Which is so much better than what dad used to say to me, who had two daughters. He said, well, Al, you know, somebody has to shoot the light loads when we go hunting. I mean, I was like, I don't even know what that means.
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Lisa Robertson
What does that mean?
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Al Robertson
I don't know, but it was embarrassing, you know? It was like heavy steel, you know? I don't know. So it's. That's way better. Thank you, baby. It is.
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Lisa Robertson
That is.
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Corey Robertson
Yes.
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Lisa Robertson
I told Jay the same thing. I mean, Jay, you got three little girls. That's because God trusts you to protect them and to raise them right.
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Corey Robertson
So, so good. So good. Well, I'm glad y' all are back. This is awesome. It's fun to sit down and talk. And, Al, you have a, like, new. Let's see, how should I word it? Well, I'm doing lighter version of yourself.
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Al Robertson
That's a nice way to put it. See, we're giving compliments. The lighter version of Al, you were.
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Corey Robertson
Not that big, but he was not. How much.
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Al Robertson
How much did you. So. So let me tell you this. So it's really funny because I have not seen Willie in forever. And so the other day, we're filming because we're all right here together, you know, unexhamed, right over there, and duck call rooms over there, and Duck Dynasty goes on here. And. And so they were filming a Duck Dynasty episode, but in the podcast room. So the door is open when that's going on. It's kind of chaos. In fact, I think you guys were even over here. And so when I walk by to go to the restroom, Willie. They're filming. They're insane, because Si's railing about something. And so Willie, bored, probably. You know, he's looking. He sees me walk by, and he looks, and then he does, like, a double take. I saw the double take, and as I'm walking by, I never stopped, but I just chuckled because I thought, well, that's the first time he's seen me. So it wasn't 10 minutes before they took a break. He's busting down the door at unashamed. It just so happened that we have what I call my fat scientist because she was the person who dreamed up my diet in the lab someplace. That. The PhD lady. Yeah, Dr. Ashley. She was on the podcast that day. So he got to meet her, and she even said. She said, willie, if you ever need us, you know, I was like, whoa. Did she just do that in front of me? She actually just gave him that little tidbit you know, so he just turned a little red and moved on. But, yeah, so I've lost about almost 70 pounds.
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Lisa Robertson
Wow.
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Al Robertson
Since the last time I was here.
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Corey Robertson
That's crazy.
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Al Robertson
Just had my big health week this week. All my numbers are good, so I'm feeling great.
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Corey Robertson
That's amazing.
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Al Robertson
They told me that just this morning I had my last checkup, and they said I had not heard about my testosterone, which we talked about yesterday on the podcast with John, Luke and Christian, because we also had a jiu jitsu guy on there, too. And these are all. Everybody's all muscled up. Well, not so much John Luke. He fits more into me. He's got a smart brain. But we were talking about it being a high tee upper, and so everybody was laughing. And then we talked about Abram being Abraham being a high tea because, you know, he had a kid at 100. Christian thought that was funny. I said, well, you never know, Christian. But we. So today she told me my testosterone was like I was in my 30s.
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Corey Robertson
Wow.
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Al Robertson
Instead of 60. And I said, well, there you go, babe.
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Lisa Robertson
I already knew it.
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Al Robertson
She already knew it.
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Corey Robertson
Lisa was bragging about that yesterday. I will say we did a podcast, and Lisa did bring up your sex life.
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Al Robertson
Oh, good. It's important that we can still talk about it after all these years.
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Lisa Robertson
I said, losing weight is good for your sex life.
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Al Robertson
It is. It is. It's helpful.
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Corey Robertson
Perfect.
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Lisa Robertson
We keep my hands off of him.
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Corey Robertson
We don't talk about testosterone a lot on this podcast.
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Al Robertson
I will say that I told the.
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Corey Robertson
People more of the estrogen conversation.
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Al Robertson
I told the people here. I said, now, look, when you're walking down the hall, there's testosterone over here today, and there's estrogen over there, because you guys were in here. And then I think Martin, you know, Martin, Mr. Smartad, like he said with everybody. I said, no, just the guests. I didn't say anything about me or Jace or Zach. You know, we're getting into those low T years, but that was where I found out.
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Corey Robertson
That's great. That's awesome. He's so cool. Oh, well, that's amazing. I mean, I would not have guessed 70, because £70. I mean, of course, like, I didn't realize that you had gotten that big, but.
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Al Robertson
No, I was there.
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Corey Robertson
But that's amazing. You look great.
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Lisa Robertson
Me either. And so today he came out of the house because Aunt Ann is at our house with Kay. And so he came through, and he didn't have a shirt on. He just had his shorts on. And ain't Ann goes, wow, you can really tell when you don't have your shirt on. And I said, I know ain't Ann. And she said, now I see why you're always right there with him and got your hands on him. And I said, yeah.
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Al Robertson
It's made me think I may have an underwear modeling thing gig going out the nursing home now after I walked past mom and Aunt Ann and got quite the reaction.
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Corey Robertson
So I'm like, I could be a.
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Al Robertson
Big hit with the 70s and 80s crowd.
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Corey Robertson
You never know where life's going to take you.
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Al Robertson
You just got to appreciate it. Corey, at this point, I need a new career at 60. That may be the thing. Underwear modeling at the old folks house.
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Corey Robertson
Great. Well, speaking of new career, we should talk. Let's segue that into. Into what we have that's coming up that we're really excited about and something that I want to talk to y' all about and get to share first here with the listeners first. This is a first. Yeah. This is like, exclusive news. So we are in talks about a movie about Yalls life story.
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Lisa Robertson
Yep.
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Corey Robertson
And I'm really excited about that. And of course, I know Yalls life story.
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Al Robertson
And have you lived a lot of it?
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Corey Robertson
I've lived a lot of it, yes. And I'm so grateful to have gotten to live a lot of it and to see just the impact of Yalls life on us. I talked about that when we did a podcast recently. Just the impact of Yalls life and your marriage and what that had on Willie and I and our marriage and just sticking to it and forgiveness and grace and all those things that y' all showed us and lived by example and that how it impacted our life. But I know that your story has impacted a lot of people, and that's a lot of what you're doing right now. So I just wanted to kind of get into that. Like, what are you doing right now? How has the things that God has taught you, the things that you've been through, just how are you. How do you feel like you're using that for his glory now? Because that's the goal, the hope for all of us that we can take the things that were hard in our life and find the gold in them.
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Al Robertson
Messes that become messages.
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Corey Robertson
Yeah, that's right.
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Lisa Robertson
Well, we still speak around the country at pregnancy centers, doing right to life, you know, fundraisers, things like that. Because Whenever I was 16, I had an abortion. And so now I feel as though since God has redeemed me of, you know, those past sins and the messes that I made. I feel like now that's what I'm supposed to do. I'm supposed to share that because he healed me. And once you're healed, I feel as though that's what God wants you to do, you know. And so we still do that. We still do marriage ministry again, you know, that was 15 years into our marriage, and I had an affair and nearly split us up. We were apart for about six weeks, but we got back together, decided that I decided that I needed to change my life, that I was not the Christian that I thought I was. I mean, I really wasn't. I had not given my life to Christ. I had given my life to Al. And that was, you know, that was great. But he was not my savior. And I needed to give my life to a savior. And so I gave my life to Jesus. And so then that turned our marriage around. And then we've helped, you know, lots of couples through our church with their marriages, problems in their marriage. And then we go out and do marriage retreats or marriage refresh, whatever somebody wants to call it.
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Al Robertson
Conferences.
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Lisa Robertson
Yeah, conferences. And then, you know, we do if somebody calls and says, hey, can you come and do a ladies day?
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Al Robertson
Sure.
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Lisa Robertson
Or can you come and talk to the guys, do a sportsman's banquet? Then Al's like, sure. And so we're still out there doing that and, you know, really just bringing hope, I think, to people who these days are just, you know, sort of hopeless.
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Al Robertson
And I think, you know, I know we talked to Sadie and did a couple of episodes about kind of our whole story and sort of what we took forward from that, especially in the early days here because we were, you know, full time ministry. So we went through everything. We went through, you know, in that glass bubble of in a church setting. And I don't know if, you know, people know this or not, but you and Corey, I mean you and Willie both worked on staff with me for many years. You were our children's ministry. You and I worked together first and then Willie came on later and worked with college kids and teens and years I cherished. I mean those years we got to do ministry together so good. Did the same with Jason and Missy early when we were interns and first out of school. And now we all work together on the back end of all this in ministry and now we're all doing our own thing and yet we're all still family and we love each other, which is great. But our ministry really started just kind of as triage. We're in trouble, we don't know what to do. We were er, you know, we were like people coming in saying we're a mess and she's had an affair, he's had an affair. What do we do? And then us, like not only sharing with them what God had done in our lives, but then getting them to some people that could help them long term, you know, beyond just us because we had people and a wonderful counselor that helped us. And so it was kind of like that. And then eventually after you heal for a few years, you get an opportunity to tell your story. And so for us, it started right here at our church. I'll never forget the first Sunday we shared our testimony and everybody had lived it, so they knew it, but they were so proud of us. Because like, look, it's been five years or whatever it was. Then, well, out of that, somebody said, well, will you come share that at our church? And here we go. And so even way before the show and all that, which just kind of gave us a bigger platform and a national platform to do this and also an opportunity to write our first book, which was our story. And then we've done a couple of follow up books since. But all of those opportunities were there because of what God had done for us initially. And the interesting thing, Corey, is that we've never like. So we do things like in a bigger way now and not as much. We don't have the time to do like we did it, sit with a couple all the time and do premarital and all the things we really love doing for many years. But I still gained so much from being knee to knee with a couple or somebody going through a struggle. And so within the last. What did I say month, babe, we had a young couple here locally that we had been instrumental in helping her parents help redeem and renew their marriage. And now that actually even lead a big marriage ministry here who were having some trouble and wanted us to talk to them. And of course, so it was like second generation. I was like, man, what a blessing, what an honor, you know, to get to spend a couple hours with this young couple and help them kind of get back on the right path. And then just yesterday we got a text from another couple here, local, that Lisa had really helped her, and then we had helped them get through some hard times. And now his mom and stepdad were having these major problems and it had come to them because they were the healthiest marriage in their family. And then first person he reached out to was us. And that was second generation going the other direction. And so you still have that opportunity. So about the movie. I mean, the thing that excites me the most is that I see the potential when your story's up on a big screen. And it's kind of ironic for me because whenever you guys approached mom and dad about doing the blind, dad was not, you know, he's very hesitant at first. And which is understandable because, you know, he's definitely the villain, you know, in the story. And. And so he was like, ow, you know, it's the worst things in your life on a movie screen. I said, dad, I get it. I said, but just think about this, dad. And. And I've now thought about these words that I gave to him. I thought about him for us, I said, how Many people in the history of the world, planet Earth, because they hadn't been making movies, but 100 plus years have had a movie made about their life.
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Corey Robertson
Wow. So true.
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Al Robertson
I said, you know, there's not very many compared to billions that have lived. I said, you either had to do something really good or really bad to have a movie made about your life.
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Corey Robertson
And so Phil happened to kind of do both.
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Al Robertson
He did both. That's exactly right. And so he's.
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Lisa Robertson
And we have, too.
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Corey Robertson
And really, most people are his father.
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Al Robertson
Exactly. And so, because most people are just like everybody else and they have their struggles. And so those words resonated back to me. I just thought, well, if this happens, and I realize we were just talking about it, but if it happens, then it would be an honor to get to have something where another artistic way of touching people. I mean, we have a book, obviously, we speak. This will be another great way to do it. I mean, I was so proud of the work you guys did on the blind. Just because it so captured. I mean, I lived it, so I was there. And yet it captured that. And I thought I told the actress that played Mom, I mean, the fact they were Brits and they were saying, like, Southerners was impressive.
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Corey Robertson
I was, yeah.
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Al Robertson
And. But, you know, so she's talking to me in her British accent, you know, and I said, you know, you just. You captured Mom's optimism so well, and then you capture the moment where she lost it. And I said that, you know, because I was there. I lived the whole thing. I said. And I've never, you know, that's what resonated me the most in the film. Even though I thought the guy that played dad was tremendous. But the actress that played mom, she was so optimistic throughout the entire film. And then she. Until she wasn't. Until she lost it. And so I was just complimenting her. I said, that was. You captured it. You did it, you know, and so it was another way to touch people. And I think that's what I'm excited about this opportunity is it's another way to visually then tell the story that we've been telling and just another way. And raise the platform even better.
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Corey Robertson
Yeah. So there's so much about what you just said that I wanted to touch on. Well, I guess the ending, the talking about how through art you can touch people. I think that's the thing that as a family, we saw, you know, we had been about. Like, we were children's ministers, youth ministers. Like, we were wanting to spread the gospel in all kinds of ways. But we had never dreamed that the TV show would be something would impact people in that way. And I think that that, for me, was so impactful of, like, just realizing, like, the power of entertainment and storytelling and the Roberson family are great storytellers. And it just. It just felt like, okay, God placed something in our family's life to say, like, oh, here's another way you can lead people to me that we would have never even thought of or realized. And since that. And I think that another thing that I was thinking of as you're talking is the thing that I noticed about before. You know, I came into the Robinson family at 17 years old. I just turned 18 whenever we got married. And just seeing the. The openness to the. Not perfection of we're not. We didn't have it all, right? So there. Phil and K Story. They always were willing to tell their story, to use the. The hard parts of their story to help others through it. And I've seen that in y' all as well. And I think that whenever we did start talking about doing the movie, I actually was kind of surprised that Phil was at all hesitant because they've told it so much. They've written books about it, they've done second videos. They talk about it a lot. And so at first, I was. I was surprised that they were at all resistant. But then, you know, you realize, like, oh, it's a whole different thing seeing that on a screen. And I remember watching it for the first time with them, and, I mean, it broke my heart to watch those scenes with them and just what they might be feeling and all that. So I. I feel that same thing for you guys. It's like. I know it's. Watching them go through it. It's not easy to put your life out there on a screen.
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Lisa Robertson
I think it would be harder. I think it's gonna be really hard on our girls because, you know, they were young. They were 10 and 12, something like that. And their whole life since then has been so different. And so I think it'll be kind of hard on them to see how their mom was. Not that they don't remember, but, you know, whenever you've had bad times and then you have good times, the good times seem to overtake those bad. And so it'll be interesting to watch them.
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Al Robertson
Well, I was just saying this to somebody recently. Lisa has a bite that she does at the end of one of our presentations when we talk about marriage, or maybe it's. That's another one of our talks, but she Talks about the way that people view her. And she says, she talks about, in God's eyes, I'm this. In my husband's eyes, I'm this. In my daughter's eyes, I'm this. And it's a really powerful thing that she wrote out. And then the last one was in my grandchildren's eyes is this. And so every time she does it, of course she gets teared up. I get teared up. I'm trying not to today. I'm taking a big risk here to not get verklempt here, but she. But it's so beautiful. And it hit me when she does that, that my grandchildren only know a completely healed woman, all they've ever known. My daughters can't remember everything, but they remember some of it. It's kind of like with me, with mom and Dad, I have memories, but I have far more memories of the better. But with grandkids, they only know this strong woman. So whenever they see her, they see a person they want to strive to be like, and they hold her in high, high. And even Carlie talked about that, you know, when she got married and wanted to have a marriage like ours, you know, and it was just. It was very humbling. And so I think about that, that, you know, sometimes over time, that's what people see. But you're right, we've been willing to share that. You know, we had to go through a process to learn. So I still feel like the reason that we're very approachable from people and by people is because they know they're not going to be judged by us. Because not only have we been in many situations like them, but we've been willing to talk about, and we've been willing to say that, look, God can bring healing and redemption and forgiveness through all these different things. And so that's the part I'm excited about that. And it will be hard, I mean, because even when we talk about it, like, upcoming now, we've got like, three straight marriage weekends in a row. By the time we get to that third one, we're looking at each other in the hotel. It's like, whoa. Because you tell this story because we tell it every time. Like, we really tell it like it is. And we're just like, have to remind each other, okay, you know, how are you feeling about this? Well, I'm a little bit wiped out. But you know what? All through that process, you'll be dealing with people that are just like, in that early two months of coming back from an affair, and you never Forget what that was like, to live through that or to be like Lysa and to just be shattered and think you've lost your whole family. And that's where she was. She felt so isolated and alone, and so people feel that way. And this little couple from yesterday is like the. His mom is feeling that right now, so she's on her way back home to now face the consequences. And we remember what that was like and have to face the church. We all work for the church, and so those are heavy, heavy things. But you have to have community to do that. And I love what you said about the family with telling our stories, because I love to tell people. They say, what do you think was the secret of success about the show? And they'll have everybody have their ideas. And I know what it is. The secret to the success of Duck Dynasty was these were all our stories from. Not just from what was happening day to day at Duck Commander and whatever year we filmed, but these were all our stories from kids and you and Willie's story camp, all those stories came through and they were just told in different ways among our family. It may be two different people that you're watching, but when we were kids, it may have been to somebody else's, but they were authentic and they were real. And like any show, some of them. Wouldn't it be funny if storylines. But I always thought that 75 or 80% of the stories we did on the show were stuff that actually happened to everybody. And they were all of our stories. And the retelling of them and the way it was done and it was funny, but at the same time, it was touching, I think is what really resonated with people. I mean, they just realize every family has stories. Some people don't want to tell their stories. And I always say, look, you're denying the victories of God if you don't tell your stories.
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Corey Robertson
You talk about your kids and grandkids. They remember the good because they because of the so such complete healing and that can be found in God and y' all have done that. And so that's what they see when they see you. But one thing in watching and I think that's another part of storytelling in film and at a good book or whatever. Whenever I'm watching Phil and Kay's story or our daughter, our kids are watching their story, it's like they understand even the bad. And that's part of it too. You're just like, oh, and you have compassion. I just felt that compassion for Kay, what she was going through. Compassion for feel for the things that caused his alcoholism or the things in his early life that led him to that. You feel that for people. And I think that's one thing about. It's like we all relate in some way. Yeah, we've all, we've all been in that place in marriage where we're like, all right, we need to go to the emergency room because something like this is. We have to figure out how to work through this. We've all been there as a teenager and not, you know, not in necessarily the place of abortion, but of like, I've screwed up, you know, I've done something that I didn't think I would have done or we've all been in those places. And I think that when people, you do Put your life story out there. And that's what we've. I think we found over and over again. It's not that people are like, oh, look at them. It's people who are like, oh, yeah, I've been there, too, and I understand. And I. And I feel. I feel a oneness with you because you're willing to tell.
- [28:33]
Al Robertson
And I thought about it, Corey, Even like, you know, when dad crossed over on that Sunday, right before Memorial Day, when we all got there, by the time we all got in that room together, because it took us a few minutes for everybody in town to get there. And, you know, as we were all packed in there and, I mean, he's still laying there in the bed. He's made the crossover. It's just his body, the spirit is on to what's next and great resurrection, and Mom's there. And there were a couple of tears shed, of course, but it wasn't. But then we just started telling stories. Yeah, you remember? I mean, we just. And we started laughing, and we would cry a little bit, and we would laugh a little bit. But I just thought even in a moment like that where our patriarch is crossing over, it was still a moment. Like we could have shared some story like that on our show because it was still us. It was authentic. I mean, you know, and so even in moments like that, where a lot of times, if you don't have hope, if you don't have something bigger, if you don't have healing in a family, then those moments can be just torturous and treacherous and so, you know, agonizing and sad. Instead, for us, it was not any of that. I mean, it was like, man, this is what we all live for, you know, I mean, this is what we're all doing.
- [29:47]
Lisa Robertson
Well, because so many times families don't say on earth what they wanted to to their loved ones or they don't approach things with their families. Unresolved issues that they really wanted to. But I can truthfully say our whole family had. Had loved on Phil and told him we loved him, and we had no unresolved issues. And it was all just. We were happy for him to be able to cross over, you know, And I think that's part of the problem. I think it's. Whenever you are in a family and you don't have that, and, you know, a lot of times it has to do with sexual abuse or something like that. I suffered that as a child, too, but I've even come to terms with that and forgiven the person that did that. To me. But that's part of it, I think. I think you've got to get to the point where you see what Christ has forgiven you for, and you look at other people and you step in their shoes and you say, you know what? I can forgive them, too. And that's where Kay was. Even with Phil. She had no unresolved. I mean, she's just holding it hand and, you know, as he passes to the other side. And it's just. It was a beautiful thing.
- [31:15]
Corey Robertson
It was.
- [31:15]
Al Robertson
You know, it's the way it should be. And look, for me, you know, I mean, I turned 60 this year, so it hit me in the moment. I thought. And I've said this to Si and Mom, I was like, no, I don't know which one of y' all are actually at the plate, but the other one's on deck, and I'm in the hole. Like, I'm standing at the top of the dugout. So I'm realizing now how the batting order is working here, and if it works the way it works supposed to, I'm not very far from getting to the plate. And so. And they laughed, you know, so I was like, hey, I've struck out, you know, and. But at the same time, it's the natural. It's what we do. And so you want to make an impact in this life, and so we don't. Like, I'm sure there could be a lot of movies made about a lot of amazing stories that won't get made, but to have that opportunity for us, if it does happen, is something we'll cherish, you know, because it allows that to then speak even beyond us. And that's what I told Dad. I said, dad, you realize there'll be people watch this movie that will have heard of you, that followed you, that never meet you in this life, and yet you'll impact them because of that, because of putting yourself out there to a level that. They will find you in heaven. Yeah, they will find you in there. They'll find you in the next life.
- [32:32]
Corey Robertson
There is no doubt that has happened.
- [32:34]
Al Robertson
And it has happened because we have met several. We had one at our marriage refresh last year that did their testimony. And he literally had a complete transformation in the theater. I mean, like, he could not speak going home to his wife. And when he finally did, he was ready to change his life and has. And so stories like that, I mean, just. And I know there's so many, you know, that are. They're going to be. I said, so, dad, they're going to find you. They're going to find you there, you know, so there's a policeman there I got to find and thank him, you know, for turning me around. So, I mean, that's what's going to happen in eternity. We're going to make those connections.
- [33:07]
Lisa Robertson
And I'm not worried about people seeing. I'm not excited about people seeing the difficulties and the struggles that I've had. But what I'm very excited about is to see what God can do whenever you have those struggles and whenever you lay your life down for him and say, okay, remake me, you know, make me in the image that you want me to be. And that's what I'm excited for people to see, is what God truly can do, you know, even with the worst of us.
- [33:42]
Corey Robertson
Yeah.
- [33:42]
Al Robertson
But when you face your worst moments in the moment when God can bring you through those, then you're ready to face those again, even in a movie screen 25 years later. And I don't think I told this story the last time we were on with Sadie, but just a few weeks after we'd gotten back together, and we're still very raw and very just, you know, we're healing. So everything is very, you know, we're like a little horse that just got born and he's wobbly, you know, and you're not wanting to, like, push him too hard. And we were about to pull in at Walmart down here, and Lisa looks at me and she has a real panic look on her face. And I was like, what is it? And she said, let's just go home. We don't need to go to Walmart. And I was like, what is it? Because now we're building honesty and trust. It's like, what is it? You know? Because I could tell she was upset. And she said, he's turning in. And I knew who she met, the person that she had had the affair with. And so I started to pull out for us to leave. And then I just. I just will give Holy Spirit credit, I just said, no, we're not doing that. This is our town. We live here. You chose me. I said, are you still choosing me? And she said, well, of course I'm choosing you. I said, then we're not going to run from any situation like this. So I got right back in that lane and we pulled into Walmart and we didn't see them. So we go into the store, and when, you know it, in about 10 minutes, we come around corner to corner and it's buggy to buggy. I mean, it's like, well, you know, and he's there with a woman. We're here, and we look at each other, and they turned the buggy and went the other way. And, you know, it was very hard for Lisa. It wasn't easy for me that day. Your stomach's in knots. But when we left there that day, I felt like that was a victory statement, that we're going to overcome this, you know, and we don't have to run anymore from any of that. And ironically, that's 25 years ago, and we've never seen him since. But in the moment, I feel like that was a test for us, you know? And so I say all that to say, you know, when you think about watching a movie, you know, where your wife is going to have an affair with somebody, however we portray that, you guys portray that, you know, you will have to live that by seeing it. But at the same time, once you've dealt with it head on, and you've been doing that for 25 years, it's not the most frightening thing imaginable to me, because the Almighty already has that. This helps the person that's sitting there, that has had an affair, that hasn't been able to tell their spouse, or maybe one day they'll be faced with that. And hopefully you're trying to avert that from ever happening. So that's what you do about telling.
- [36:12]
Corey Robertson
Your story, because you're seeing the victory.
- [36:14]
Al Robertson
Exactly.
- [36:15]
Corey Robertson
And I remember y' all talking about having a vision for yourselves as grandparents, you know, with your grandkids. Now I'm a grandma, so here we go, you know, having a grandma again. So I'm extra emotional, but, you know, having a vision for yourselves. And even in those early days of trying to come back together and, you know, there was a point and I don't know, how did you get to that point to where you could see yourself there after you were at your lowest point? Like, I think. I guess wrapped up in that is like, forgiveness for yourself and forgiveness for one another. And then also. But how did you keep that vision and get here today?
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- [38:46]
Lisa Robertson
I mean it really took me a long time because of course whenever you're trying to change your life, then the evil one is coming in and reminding you of what you've done.
- [38:57]
Al Robertson
And you're not worthy. You're ashamed. You should be ashamed.
- [38:59]
Lisa Robertson
Do you really know who you really are? You know, do people really know what you've. And so, and so that took me, you know, a long time. But the more that I grew in God and read God's word and you know, one of. I read Psalms and Proverbs all the time and you know, I read for weeks. I read David's account in Psalm 51, right.
- [39:31]
Al Robertson
And that.
- [39:31]
Lisa Robertson
And just to know that God called him a man after his heart. And I thought, wow, I didn't murder anybody. You know, I wasn't even as bad as he was. But it really helped to go in and read his words, you know, and to continually ask God to create in me a clean heart. I've never had a clean heart. I want a clean heart. And I mean, just to daily feast on that. But I would say it probably. You know, it probably took me at least a year to feel confident in the woman that I was. And, you know, the first time we shared it, I was scared to death because I thought, you know, there might be new people in here, they've never heard this, and, you know, then they're not going to like me. They're going to have fault with me. And. But again, that was the evil one, you know, coming in and whispering those little lies. And it's really funny. So we did that. We spoke at our church, and I guess it had been five years. And afterwards, one of the guys from CR came and said, I've been holding a grudge against you for five years for you doing that to me. Al, I just want to let you know that I forgive you. And, I mean, that was pretty amazing, you know, but I thought I wouldn't even have known that, you know, I knew the guy and I'd been around him, but I had no idea.
- [41:12]
Al Robertson
Well, Annie asked you for forgiveness.
- [41:13]
Lisa Robertson
Yeah.
- [41:14]
Al Robertson
For him not forgiving you, you know, which was. And all of a sudden, it was back on Lisa, and she was like, well, I didn't know that I had hurt you that badly, but I am so sorry. And, yes, I accept your forgiveness, Will. You know, so it was a beautiful moment.
- [41:29]
Lisa Robertson
It was. It really was. But. But at that point, I thought, you know, God's done an amazing thing, and I cannot continue to allow the evil one to try to hold my tongue. You know, let's don't talk about this. You know, after we did our book, oh, my goodness, that was rough. Because, you know, my whole family read the book, and a lot of it they didn't know.
- [41:55]
Al Robertson
And because she was honest about a lot of stuff from her childhood, that led to a lot of her mindset, and that obviously then outed some people, you know, without naming people. Right.
- [42:06]
Lisa Robertson
In my family. And I got multiple emails, you know, from cousins.
- [42:12]
Al Robertson
They had similar fates.
- [42:13]
Lisa Robertson
Right. But then, you know, my mom's reaction, you know, was just. Was guilt. And my mom was like, well, this just makes me look bad. You know, for you to put this in print. This just makes me look bad. And I said, mom, I don't know how you get that, because throughout the book, I have said, this was not your fault. And I don't blame you. And she said, well, I mean, you might say that, but everybody else is gonna, you know, feel like, you know, I wasn't gonna do it.
- [42:46]
Al Robertson
She's now dealing with that same shame thing Lisa went through, that she's dealing with it herself.
- [42:50]
Lisa Robertson
But I also learned that she had so much of that same background. Things that had happened to me, that had happened to her, and she had never dealt with it. So it brought it all back up for her, but then she felt it for me. So it was. I mean, you know, it was tough.
- [43:11]
Al Robertson
But, Corey, if I could boil it down into two things, which is one of the things we do when we pray resent about marriage, the way we saw past and actually could get a glimpse of that grandparent thing you're talking about, which, by the way, the last slide we show is our whole family. And every time we do it, usually Lisa's at the end and she can never not cry because there's that picture of all those grandkids standing in front of our house. And it's like this was the picture that we didn't know was gonna happen, but did happen. But it was two things. One is she mentioned for her, for Lisa, it was honesty and openness. They had to be there. It was what had been missing in her life. It had been missing in our marriage. So that had to be her new North Star. That was. Had to be open, had to be honest. And you had to trust that even though if it was bad, we were still going to be open and honest. And for me, because I wasn't always a good receiver of openness and honesty, I was helping push her into darkness because I didn't realize it, but I was overreacting everybody instead of just trying to find a way to deal with it. So my two things I had to live and I have to this day since, is forgiveness and grace. I mean, if that's the way God's going to deal with us, that was the way I was going to have to deal with her and me and us. And so when those two things synced up and became the two PowerPoints of our life going forward, then it's changed everything. And it allowed us to see past even the mistakes and shortfalls and everything that happened from that point forward. And so that became the key when we talk to couples, and that's just our experience. It could be different things for different people. But if infidelity especially has ever been a part of those are the two things that have to be part of your bedrock going forward. And look, it takes a commitment to that because in those early years you want to use what's happened as a way to then create new pathways and something to do better. But all that does is continue to live in the past. You can't move forward unless you're willing to say, I don't want to use anything you've done or I've done to hurt us going forward. That's what God's forgiveness does. That's why he says he'll remember our sins no more. It's not that he's like a terrible absent minded God and can't remember stuff. He's God, he knows everything. But what he's saying is, I'm not going to keep bringing it up. I'm not going to use it. I'm going to choose to let you heal. And so that's kind of been the key for us. And that's what we try do to, to get across to other people. And if you can live that life of everyday openness and honesty and grace and forgiveness, then when you'll be able to handle anything. Because if you can live it little, you can live it big. And so that's kind of our thrust and what we tried to, you know.
- [45:53]
Corey Robertson
That'S so powerful, that's so good. And I feel like, I remember we talk a lot about the Duck Dynasty episode where Phil and Kay renewed their vows. And I remember debut.
- [46:04]
Al Robertson
That's right when Lisa and I came on the show.
- [46:07]
Corey Robertson
Well, it's my favorite episode because of course it was your debut, but because it was that picture of these two people who chose that. And I always say, like it's repentance and forgiveness. They both had to choose it to come together to create what we were experiencing in that moment. Had they not, we would not be there.
- [46:30]
Al Robertson
And then their test, you know, came a few years later when they get a letter that this person says she's dad's daughter. Daughter. And you know, I've told this story before that in Mom's reaction was Phil. You know, I've always wanted a daughter other than Jeb.
- [46:44]
Corey Robertson
That's not true.
- [46:45]
Al Robertson
I made, I made that up.
- [46:46]
Corey Robertson
You added that part.
- [46:48]
Al Robertson
I've always wanted a daughter and now it's taken me 44 years to get one. Well, a person only says that if they really meant they forgave him 44 years ago. And so that was the. I looked at that and I watched that. I thought, wow, you go Mom. I mean like she showed she minute when she was even make a statement like that. And so it's just to live that is so important. And you're right. I tell people about that episode because I talk about it being our debut. And I always say, if Willie had me on from the beginning, there's no telling where this show could have gone because that was the highest rated episode in the history of cable television because of my debut. But I said, if you'll look at people's faces when they were doing close ups of people during the little ceremony we did. And it was very small. I mean, it took us a while to film it, but it was just a few minutes. Minutes. There were tears in everybody's eyes because that was a moment for all of us. We all realized as we were sitting there with our spouses and our families that our patriarch and matriarch paved the way through forgiveness and love. And that's why we were all sitting there. And so it touched us all deeply to be in that moment. And so again, that's to me, the success of the show was the real stories of who we were and even our moments like that. We were willing to say it hadn't always been easy. And mom even says that in her vow. It's always been easy.
- [48:10]
Lisa Robertson
And honesty.
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- [48:43]
Lisa Robertson
And it's an honest look at our lives. In today's world, there's not a lot of honest look into other people's lives. You know, a lot of people don't think there's, you know, what is the truth? You know, there's no absolute truth. And we feel as though, yes, there is absolute. We know there's absolute truth, truth, but it's not taught in today's society. It's like whatever your truth is, then that's what truth is. And you have to have those hard conversations even with your children and grandchildren. No, there is an absolute truth. And if you pick up your bible, you will find that absolute truth. And there's no what you think and what we think, it's what the Bible says. Now, we might have different ideas on what that scripture's talking about. Are different ways we use that. But at the same time, there is an absolute truth. And, you know, and it's God and it's His Word.
- [49:50]
Corey Robertson
And that's a way.
- [49:51]
Lisa Robertson
That's right.
- [49:52]
Al Robertson
A better way.
- [49:53]
Corey Robertson
Well, and you brought up earlier going to God's Word and finding, like, assurance in that, that God can love you even in your worst and in your brokenness. And I think that's the thing. I think people sometimes are scared to go to God's Word because they're, oh, it's going to be. Going to be, like, hit over the head with it. But instead, if you open up His Word and you actually really, like, pay attention to the stories and the people that God used, every one of them are messed up and broken and flawed and all that. And it's such a story, if you really pay attention, you're like, oh, no. God uses people like me or people that I could look at and be like, well, that was way worse than anything I've ever done. And so I think that that is one thing that people can maybe are scared of with God's Word because they have been kind of beat over the head with it sometimes instead of saying, like, oh, no, like, this is a love story from God to you and to these people that are his people that he's brought.
- [50:54]
Al Robertson
I was preaching a sermon recently. I said the one thing. It was from the Old Testament. So the one thing I love about the Old Testament is that all the good God guys are flawed and all the bad guys are still people, too. And there's still people that God loves and wants to save. And so it's hard to tell sometimes. You read some of those Old Testament stories, who are the good guys and who are the bad guys? Just know that they're all flawed. And the bad guys are still people, too. And they may have got it wrong. They may be following a false guy, but God always wants to teach them the right way. And so talking about Rahab and some of the stories of the Old Testament. But that's powerful when you think about it, that all of us are flawed and there was only one, and it's our Savior. And yet he said he loves. He's so unashamed of us. He calls us his family, which is very special.
- [51:41]
Corey Robertson
That's beautiful. All right. Well, this was awesome. I love talking to y'. All. Is there anything I didn't ask you that you want to talk about or want to say?
- [51:49]
Al Robertson
Not really, no. I don't think so. I mean, I will say this. We're so, you know, we Talk a lot about our matriarch, patriarch, mom and dad. And before we started rolling the cameras, we were talking about your grandmother, who's my next door neighbor right across across the street. Your parents are my next door neighbor on the other side, and your daughter's right behind me. And in this compound. And so. And so in this compound living. That we do. But I just. I'm so proud to see. I love the new show. I love the idea of the revival because it means that we live forward.
- [52:23]
Corey Robertson
Yeah.
- [52:24]
Al Robertson
You know, and to now. Every time I go through the tour and at the end of the tour, there's a big picture of 2014. We were all filming the show, and it's just a snapshot of one time. And so your kids are teenagers in the picture. And I've got two young granddaughters at the time now, one married, and your kids are married. And I just look at the population that that group has now become in just really 10 or 11 short years. And I realize that's the beauty of getting to be here together and do what we do. And you guys are getting to do it again, which is fantastic. And we love getting to watch it again along with the rest of America, just to see what happens as you live that leg out and to see you guys as grandparents like us. And we're really all. Somebody said, well, you're the patriarch of your family. And I said, well, not really. I mean, I'm the oldest brother, but we're all patriarchs in our own family, and that's the beauty of it. And I'm so proud of my brothers and my sister for being the matriarch of her clan, because that's what we do. I mean, we are doing that in faith. And so we aren't encouraging our kids to stay married and, like Lisa said, to believe who God is and to raise up our grandchildren and then their children. And so to get to experience that together and to get to do it by even living in the same zip code the way we do and still stay so busy is a joy. And I cherish every moment that I get with your kids and your grandkids. And it's just a beautiful thing.
- [53:50]
Lisa Robertson
It's funny because somebody will say, hey, Sadie was here. Or Willie was here. Oh, Jace was over here. And we're like, oh, really? And they're like, well, you don't even know where they're going. And we're like, no. Well, people I know if we cross paths at all, they're like, y' all.
- [54:05]
Corey Robertson
Just kind of like, all Live on top of each other. What's that like? And we're like, you know, you still really have to be intentional about seeing one another because our lives are busy even though we're at the podcast studio in the same.
- [54:14]
Al Robertson
I'll see the light on.
- [54:15]
Corey Robertson
I know, but you still. Yeah. Do you need that intentional catch up time? Because we do have all. All have busy lives and big growing families. And as you were saying that about the legacy, I was listening to a podcast of the day and he said, how much do you care? He asked the host, he was like, how much do you care about if four generations from now know your name? And the host was like, well, I don't have any kids and I'll die. I don't really care. He was like, no, you need to care. And just thinking about it brought me back to the Bible and how that generational and the legacy. And he was like, what you do matters for the next generation and the next generation and the next generation and like the more we as a society, society living for today, living for ourselves, you know, and you don't care about that next generation that that affects everybody.
- [55:02]
Al Robertson
You know, And I love that. I've got a picture of a guy that looks just like dad and it's his great grandfather, Judge Jephthah Robertson, who Jeff's named after. And my granny told me two stories about him. I know he was a judge and I know he got shot on a levy by a federal officer over some gun cows. That's all I know about Jeff Sheth Robertson. And so. And that's my great, great grandfather. But I thought, how sad that I don't know anything else about that man's life other than he looks just like dad in the 1850s. And. And yet I said, look at what how many of you are going to know about my dad because he's out there preaching and there's movie about him and there's all this stuff we should want to know about our ancestry as.
- [55:43]
Lisa Robertson
Well as we should care.
- [55:44]
Corey Robertson
We should care about that next generation. The next generation, yes. Well, this is great. Love visiting with y' all now that we're all grandparents and isn't that the best?
- [55:53]
Al Robertson
Welcome to the old Foggy Hour. Whoa.
- [55:56]
Corey Robertson
That's right. That's right. All right, I hope you all have a great week. Thanks for being with us.
- [56:12]
Al Robertson
Sat.