Christian Huff (1:51)

You know, we actually were just watching the episode with you, and I think it was Jonathan Washum.

Sadie Robertson (1:56)

Oh, yeah, we watched that the other day, too.

Christian Huff (1:58)

And y' all took your shoes off and I was like, I think Reid might have feet. This is funny. We're talking about this. All right, what's up? Well, that's good, fam. Y' all. Today is going to Be such a special episode. I'm genuinely so excited for the conversation we're about to have, because this is like childhood in action. Right here. We have my cousins Cole and Reed and my bro, John Luke, on the podcast. Reed and Cole are Jason Missy's sons. And we literally grew up together. And, like, you know, cousins grew up together, but we grew up, like, together. I feel like all of our childhood memories are so intertwined and so many fun stories, and a lot of them were actually with Pebble Phil MLK down at their land. And so we wanted to do an episode honoring Pep Off Phil and his legacy and his life. And just for the grandpa that he was, we're going to share all the good, amazing things about the man he was and some of the really funny things about Pebble Phil being your grandpa. So I can't wait to dive in. But to start just in the nature of wo, that's good. I always ask, what's the best piece of advice you've ever been given? I thought it'd be sweet if we all gave the best piece of advice either Peppa Phil gave you directly or that you just kind of learned from his life. So, John Luke, you want to kick us off?

John Luke Robertson (3:25)

Oh, wow. A lot of pressure. Yeah. I mean, there's so many things, like, I could go into talk about advice about things he's shared about, like, life and the gospel and loving your family and, you know, those kind of, like, spiritual things. But the thing I. The advice that he gave me that I think about most often is whenever I was working for him one summer, so I was like, 14, and we were building duck blinds and, like, working out there, and, you know, I'd be working on something, and I'm like, can get. I'm kind of a perfectionist. So I would be, like, trying to make sure the board's straight, trying to make sure the screw is right, trying to, like, doing all the stuff. And he would always say, hey, good enough for duck mine. Let's move on. And I think about that a lot in the sense of, like, sometimes you're working on something and you gotta, like, keep the most important thing the most important thing. Like, it's just a duck vine. Like, don't spend all your time working on something that is not going to matter in the end. Keep the big picture and just keep moving on.

Christian Huff (4:31)

That's good. I like that. You know, it's funny that I just thought about this because I haven't asked you a best piece of advice in a long time when you were first on the podcast, you remember when you said, if you have to eat a frog, eat it first thing in the morning? Yeah, I think about that all the time, actually. So sometimes those little one liners, like, hey, it's just a dope line, like, keep going, actually stick with you the most, you know, I love that. All right, Cole, you got some good advice from old Pebble Phil?

Cole Robertson (4:59)

Yeah, I think so. I was trying to think of, like, some one liners or different things like that, and there's so many that he had. But I think the biggest thing was just the way that he led. By example, the way he led his life. I mean, one of his one liners was, let me show you how to do this. You know, you're getting food, there's a bunch of people in line. He just cuts right in front of you and says, let me show you.

Sadie Robertson (5:24)

How to do this.

Cole Robertson (5:25)

He'll show you how to do it. But I think to his larger life, and just for me, it's been so convicting. When I look at my own life, I look at the life that he led and the amazing man that he was, and then I look at my own life, I'm like, oh, my goodness, I am so short of the man that he was. But, you know, it's such a large burden that legacy can be that we carry on. But what an amazing legacy that it is. I think that we have the opportunity to walk in his footsteps.

Christian Huff (6:03)

So that's good.

Cole Robertson (6:04)

I think a lot of times he did not lead with his words. He led by just getting up and showing you how to do it.

Christian Huff (6:11)

Yeah, it's great. That's so true, actually. So true. And I feel that I've thought about that a lot. Christian and I have both talked about that, like, so much of what we were inspired by, by the way he lived. And looking at our own life, being like, man, we don't do that. We don't live like that. Like, we were a little bit off from that. And then it's so cool how much of how he lived that's really actually tied to the Bible. Like, he just laid it out there. What was the verse? It's like, first Thessalonians, where it's like it says, make it your ambition to live a quiet life. And then it talks about working with your hands and not depending on someone else. And then it says, for then it will gain the respect of the outside world. And he quoted that, and he lived like that, you know, And I'm like, okay, how do I start implementing more of that in my life. So it's so true. We've been having those same conversations.

Sadie Robertson (7:04)

That's one of my favorite things that he is. Realtree did a video probably like six or seven years ago, and he's talking about that. He's quoting that verse and just the way he says it, he says, make it your ambition. And he says, make it your ambition like three or four times in a row. And to live a quiet life to mind, he leans in, he goes, mind your own business and to work with your hands so that you may not be dependent on anyone. And there's not a human being on this planet, I think, that lived that more than him. And when we talk about advice, it's not, it's not so much of, hey, he sat you down and he said this. You know, he lived that way. And he was a man of few words when it was just you and him most of the time. And so. But you did get these one liners from him and then it was backed up by his actions. And, and so even stuff where I'll watch him on a, on a video from, you know, before I was born or, or like the video that Realtree did where it's showing a day in the life of his work day, essentially, and then he's preaching the gospel at the end of it. That backs up watching him and taking that in. It backs up those little one liners that he said. And on a more humorous note, I guess I just started dating Brighton and we've been dating a couple years and we were in high school and it was me and him and we were riding back from a duck hunt. And he said, he said, reed, you having sex? And I said, no, sir. And he said, all right, well, you keep that thing in your pocket, you'll be all right, you know, but it's like, hey, that's short. Quick, to the point. Makes a lot of sense and I'll never forget it.

Christian Huff (8:55)

That's so real.

Sadie Robertson (8:57)

So, I mean, he, he did have those. He had some one liners.

Christian Huff (9:00)

He had a lot of. A lot of one liners. Some may live on and some, we hope, do not resurface on the Internet. He was very straight to the point. And it's so funny. I think about one time, this was so funny. It was like in the midst of the Dancing with the Stars era, me and Derek came back for your Mary Kate's engagement and we, Memo K and Pell Phil were going to cook him dinner, which that is like the thing. And that is something I just love to do whenever I. You know, there's been so many different emotions this week, and some laughing, some crying, and I think a lot of the tears come from, like, oh, I'm gonna just miss that. You know, like, that. We would always bring our guests down to his house because they. That was the place to have dinner. It's like, where's the best place to have dinner in town? Mama Camel Phil's house. So we brought Derek down there, and they were like, you should go show Pebble Phil the dance y' all been working on. I was like, okay. And he was intimidating. Okay. He was not like the grandpa. Okay. He kind of changed with the younger generation. He did, like, all set in his lap. We would never. I would never even consider that as an option. And so I was like, okay. So I walk over to him. I'm like, hey, Peppa Phil, do you want to see me and Derek's dance we've been working on this week? He said, nope. I said, okay. He wasn't kidding. I was like, okay. And then he goes, I saw it on the tv, and I was like, oh, you did? So he was, like, actually watching. He said, yes. It was strangely cute. Like. Like, that was a complimen. So he did have this funny way of saying stuff, and he's very honest. He did not care to see the. Our practice run, and that was totally fine. But the thing that, for me, like, y' all have said it, he was. He wasn't necessarily a man of a lot of words. Like, he wasn't sitting you down and just always saying, hey, here's all the advice. But he lived it so loud and so largely. 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John Luke Robertson (14:12)

That has been interesting seeing, seeing the response from people and I mean, basically every news outlet has posted an article or done, you know, a bid on it at night and seeing it all over social media and everything. First off, just interesting to think about. If he was still alive, he would not know any of that.

Christian Huff (14:32)

He would not know, like he would.

John Luke Robertson (14:33)

He didn't even really have a concept of social media or what it is. And the total outpouring of response, he wouldn't have even seen it or even really cared about it. You know, like if you told him, he'd be like, okay, yeah, even the.

Sadie Robertson (14:48)

Political stuff, he never, he never cared until later in life, you know, he started to really care. But before, I would say, I mean, I would say before the show, remember when he had the big. They had the big box tv, you know, with the big speakers on the bottom, like really old school. And I don't know what type of screen they used to be or anything like that, but the Weather Channel was burned in to the bottom corner of the screen. So you would change the channel and it still had the Weather Channel emblem. You know, it's like he literally just watched the Weather Channel. That was the only connection to the outside world, right? The outside world was the Weather Channel, you know, because he had to know the weather. And so, and even in, even in when he started to decline and, and I was down in January, down here duck hunting, and he just, you know, he didn't want to say much, but he just, he wanted to know where we went, what we saw, what the weather was like. You know, he just, he wanted to know the stories and, and he just, that's just, that's what he cared about.

Christian Huff (15:48)

That's what he loved.

Sadie Robertson (15:49)

My favorite thing that was ever said about him was when Aunt Jan told who baptized him again? Bill Smith. Bill Smith told Bill Smith, if you convert Phil, he'll convert thousands. And that was 60 years ago. You know, it's just, it really is incredible to see just how many people. I mean, we've all gotten hundreds and hundreds of texts, you know, over this week. And it's just, everyone is, is texting me and, you know, they say, you know, so sorry for your loss. But, you know, he's in heaven. Titan, you know, Heaven got a titan this week. You know, is, is, is what I've, I've gotten a lot. And everyone sharing their own personal stories of how even if they never met him, how he impacted Their life and their faith and how they grew closer to Jesus and grew in their faith and through by just watching him. And at the end of the day, he cared about preaching the gospel, but he didn't care that they were watching them. He didn't care about any of that.

Christian Huff (16:53)

He's gonna do it no matter who was listening.

Sadie Robertson (16:55)

That's right. Yeah.

Christian Huff (16:56)

It's so true.

John Luke Robertson (16:57)

And that kind of the same thing. It hearing all the stories and especially seeing it in the news. What I think is so awesome is almost every newscaster who talks about it, who's met Phil, talk about eating a meal or riding around side by side or going hunting, they'll say, like, oh, he was an awesome guy. Like, I just remember going down there and we had shrimp in his house, and he was like, saying all this. Or they'll say, we did this podcast. But then we went out, you know, on the boat and drove around. And almost none of them say anything about hearing him speak. It's all about being in his house. Yeah.

Christian Huff (17:36)

Their relationship, it's so cool, too, because thinking about how I would have never went and snuggled up to pebble, feel like Bella and Mia and Merritt and Lily and all them did. Jace was in there the other day when we were kind of all up there visiting with Mama K and sitting with Peppa Phil. And I was sitting there, and I was just holding his hand for a long time. And your dad is so funny. He said, man, I would have never thought I would see some of you grandkids holding Pebble Phil's hand. He said, quality time must be overrated because he didn't spend much time with you and you're still holding his hand. And I was like, you know what's so funny is, like, in some sense, it is funny because we didn't have that relationship always where I would have held his hand or went and gave him a big hug. But I never questioned his love for me. I never questioned his love for our family. I never questioned his. And I think that was it. He was so, so respectable because you knew his priorities. He loved God. He loved them. Okay. Loves our family, loves to duck hunt. And, like, that's what he did. And you didn't take offense. Like, you didn't feel like he wasn't there for you. You didn't feel like he wasn't loving to you, even though that wasn't the way he expressed his love. And so it didn't feel weird to hold his hand and sit with him and talk to him there at the end. Even Though that was something I had never done before because my love for him and respect for him was so great. And I think that' what's cool when you think about other people who have felt so touched by him, who are like, I don't have that relationship with him. But, man, I've been so impacted, man. I have so much respect. And in some ways, I feel like that, like I was telling y' all before this, I. I mentioned to dad and Mom, I was like, oh, just like, my biggest regret is I never went duck hunting with him. And dad said he didn't want you to. It's like, it's true. Not that he didn't love me, but that was his thing. He wasn't just inviting anyone. So I do want to hear from y' all. What was hunting like with Pebble?

John Luke Robertson (19:37)

Okay, let me start, because this is going to be the shortest. So I only. I only went hunting with him twice. Okay. And both times, the first time I went. This is what he said. He. I had all my stuff, I had my gun. And he sat down, he said, john Luke, you're what's called a limit extender. So you just. You sit there, you're going to add to our limit, and you just watch and observe. And then the second time, same thing we got in the boat, he said, you just stay down there on the end there and just. Yeah, I would. I would be in charge of, like, getting the snacks together and stuff. And like, on the second dive, but that was it.

Christian Huff (20:17)

That was like.

John Luke Robertson (20:18)

Because he was so intense. Yeah, he was so intense.

Cole Robertson (20:20)

Yep. Everyone is in terms of hunting. I mean, you were dead weight until you proved yourself for a long time, really show up and carry your part in the hunting world. And then, you know, you maybe would get a thumbs up, but otherwise you're just dead weight.

Christian Huff (20:34)

That would be like, the greatest thing ever, if you got the thumbs up or the approval, as I've heard from Christian, to even blow the duck call. Because, like, Christians out there, trying to hunt with all them and hunt with your dad, and he's like, taking on the serious approach of, like, don't blow that duck call, like, until you get better. And Christian's been actually, like, even if.

Sadie Robertson (20:52)

Even if you. Even if you can. No, there's what. What a lot of people don't realize. And. And this is duck hunting in general. There is a hierarchy inside of the hunting group. So you've got. Usually the landowner is the leader, you know, so then. And then you've got the next best hunter and they Sit on the corners and everyone else is in the middle, you know, and they. You say, put your hands out like this. You don't shoot anywhere. Don't be waving your gun around, you know. So once you get through all that, you're like, okay, well, then you've got just sweat equity grunt guys, and they're picking up the decoys and they're loading up all the gear and stuff like that. So the. The key is, Is one line. Make yourself useful. If you can do that, you're welcome to come do that, and don't kill anybody, and you're fine. So, I mean, he. He. It. It really was an inspiring because, I mean, I love to duck hunt, and I've probably hunted with him the most out of. Out of the grandkids, I guess. And. But I mean, it took a long time to kind of earn that. What you're talking about, the thumbs up, you know, hey, good job, you know, I mean, it's. It's not. It's not an easy thing to. To get into, you know, with in terms of. Terms of our family and that group, you know. So, I mean, it's. It's. It's intimidating for sure, you know? Yeah.

Christian Huff (22:13)

People always be like, you. You don't go duck hunting with them. Like, when I would say, I've never been duck hunting, my. It's not like, for fun. Like, I mean, it is fun, but it's not like just a hobby to them. It's. They spend all year long. And that Benelli thing you were talking about, that was actually really cool for me to see, and just some of the clips I've seen of, like, what he was actually doing out there, because y' all would work all summer out there, like you said, and. And cut boards and build the blinds and kill how many snakes? I don't even know. But that always freaked me out. That would have made me tap out before I got out there anyways. But, yeah, it was a serious job.

Sadie Robertson (22:51)

He taught me how to kill a snake, that's for sure. We were driving through, and there's. There's a little levee and there's all these crawfish holes because we catch crawfish and stuff. And. And, well, that's where all the snakes like to get to. And so we're driving, and I see one. I'm like, there's. There's one. And we get out, and he's like, all right, here you go. Hands me the 22. And I'm like, pow. Nothing I miss, you know, And I'm trying to get back on him. He said, let me show you how to do this. And he grabbed him, and he's like, you empty your bullet, son. That's it. You know, you empty the clip. And it's like, okay. He's like, all right, let's go find another one. You know, it's just like, all right, cool. Sweet.

John Luke Robertson (23:28)

Now, I know I was gonna say that earlier. He would say that all the time. He'd say, like, let me show you how to do this. Or he'd say, I'm gonna show you this one time. And he'd say that. And like, you gotta be. You gotta be watching. But that's like. Goes to, like, the teaching moment. It's like, it. He wants to teach you, and he expects you to pay attention and to listen.

Sadie Robertson (23:48)

Yeah.

John Luke Robertson (23:48)

And that's like, that, like, respect there. He's like, I'm gonna show you this one time, but he's going to really show you. He's going to make sure, like, you're seeing all the process. You're going to know what to do, and then he's going to then trust you to do it.

Sadie Robertson (24:00)

His personality made him a great teacher because he was all about shock factor. Like, when he preached, when he spoke, he was. It's all about shock factor. And he just. He liked that, you know? And so, like, just like, with killing the snake, like, he wants to. He wants to make a point, you know? And so then it's like, you know, that compared to, you know, we got this little teaching moment, and then it's like this shock factor of, like. I'm like, you know, PTSD here. Just, like, what just happened? It's like, well, I'll never forget that. Okay. I know. Like, you just empty it till it's dead.

John Luke Robertson (24:33)

Yeah.

Sadie Robertson (24:34)

And move on to the next one, you know? Got it.

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John Luke Robertson (26:46)

There was this other guy in the church who he was like. I mean, probably like 40 years old when we were kids and he was single. And that didn't have anything to do with it.

Christian Huff (26:58)

Oh, yeah. Do you remember this one, too?

John Luke Robertson (27:00)

Anytime this guy would come up and Phil would pray for him or say anything about him, he'd be like, you know, oh, we'll call him Jim. You know, old Jim. He's a eunuch. He's not a eunuch. He's just single. There's nothing about being single.

Cole Robertson (27:17)

If you got too old and you weren't married yet, you were just immediately unic.

John Luke Robertson (27:20)

You were the eunuch.

Sadie Robertson (27:21)

Look, I mean, the guy that has worked with him for a long time, his name is Dan. Everyone knows him. Dan has always been single. And he has called him the Eunuch, basically since the time he met him. Yeah, he was. He had absolutely no filter, that's for sure.

Christian Huff (27:39)

Unfiltered.

Sadie Robertson (27:40)

That's for sure. Him and Jay walked in, and MLK had this group that she would. They would all come over and they would have a Bible study, and they. They would make muffins. And he walks in, and him and Jay walk in together, and they walk past the table of ladies, and he. He looks down at a lady. Awesome lady. Looks over at Jay and right. I mean, he's right here. And he goes, Jay, Ms. K's running with some ladies that are heavy. The whole room got signed, he said. And by heavy, I mean heavy, you know, and it's like, you can't. You can't blame them. You know, lady was a little overweight. You know, it's not. It's. Some people just stay.

John Luke Robertson (28:26)

Like, most people.

Sadie Robertson (28:27)

99.999 of people never say a word. But he just said, hey, it's good for that. She knows.

Christian Huff (28:33)

You know, one thing about Memo K and Pella Phil is like, they laugh so much at themselves that, like, other people laugh, too, when they. Like. There was no. People online get so caught up in all this stuff, and people get mad about it, but people thought it was funny. Like, part. He was so unapologetically himself. Again, you knew he loved you. Actually, yesterday, another guy who came in town from la, he is. He's an artist, and he looks like an artist. And he said when Pel met him, he goes, you an artist? And, like, the first thing Pel said, and he's like, yes. And he's like. You know, just went on, and he was like. At first, I was like, is this offensive? He's like, no, I think he, like, sees that in me, and it's just. Just funny because I don't know how he did it. It's kind of like Dag does that too, I think. You know, they love you. They laugh at themselves so much that people just laughed with them.

John Luke Robertson (29:27)

Yeah. Because he could take it, too. And that. That was the thing. Like, not a lot of people gave it to him, but he could take it. But it. It. He would look you in the eye and he would just say who you are, and you're like, yeah, that's it. Like, he looks at someone and says, oh, heavy. Or he. He'd call me, oh, string bean. He'd, like, say things like that. But it's like, there's no judgment. There's no, like, it's just he's looking at you and he's like, yep, that's who you are. I'm with it. Let's go eat.

Christian Huff (29:59)

You know, always joke. We're like, does he know our name? Because he would call every grandkid by a description of them.

John Luke Robertson (30:05)

Yeah.

Christian Huff (30:05)

I was little Caraway forever, because was my middle name is Caraway. And then I was the preacher girl. And then Bella was Cheetah Girl forever because she loved Cheetah girls. I think Bella remained Cheetah Girl, me.

John Luke Robertson (30:16)

Fabio, for a little while. That had, like, long hair. Yeah.

Christian Huff (30:20)

The other day, actually, Bella was sitting with him a week ago, and Bella said, pillow Phil said the most pebble filled thing he'd said to me in a long time. He grabbed my face and he said, you have a really pretty face. It's filled out. He said, it's filling out, but that's a good thing. She was like, actually, something about it was very comforting because you're like that too. He just would say things like that.

John Luke Robertson (30:46)

He really looks at you and he doesn't care. He's not making a judgment statement. It's just like. Just. That's who I see you as.

Sadie Robertson (30:53)

Yeah.

Christian Huff (30:54)

And everyone we're referring to loved him so much and felt so loved by him. One of the things I want to talk about was our childhood growing up down there, because I have so many fun memories, memories of all of us spending the night down there. A lot of memories. Scared we were gonna wake him up. You remember the fear I was gonna.

Sadie Robertson (31:12)

Say earlier, I had. I can count with three fingers the physical touch interactions I've had with Papa Phil. And one of them was me holding his hand a few days ago. And then.

John Luke Robertson (31:24)

And all three were. Yes, three days ago.

Sadie Robertson (31:27)

And in January, when I came down and duck hunted, I gave him a hug and he. He kind of pushed me on the chest like that. And he said, love like that. And I'm like, okay. I think he said, I love you just now and then. The first one was the last butt whooping I ever got because. Well, actually, that's not true. I got paddled in high school one time by a football coach, but.

Christian Huff (31:48)

But I remember that. Actually. I remember you, though, getting spit by Pellet Phil. And me being like, that's the most terrifying thing that could ever happen.

Sadie Robertson (31:57)

He had one rule. That was it. It was lawless.

John Luke Robertson (32:00)

Yeah.

Sadie Robertson (32:01)

Completely lawless. But he had one rule. Do not wake me up from my nap. And I came in there one time, hollering and doing whatever, and he came out there. And he said, all right, let's go. I remember, like, it was yesterday, you know, just the anticipation. I was like, I don't even remember if it hurt or not, but I remember the anticipation of. Because he laid me over the bed, and then he walked to the closet to get a belt and came back.

Christian Huff (32:24)

Oh, my God.

Sadie Robertson (32:25)

And he whooped me. And I'm like, okay, I will never. And. But everyone else learned from that, too.

Christian Huff (32:30)

I think anyone else ever got.

Sadie Robertson (32:31)

I think Alex was before me. You and Alex one before me. Yeah, but that was. That was rough.

John Luke Robertson (32:38)

I had one one time, but let me just say, from football, Phil. Yeah.

Christian Huff (32:42)

Really.

John Luke Robertson (32:43)

They set us up for failure on the nap thing because it's a double wide.

Sadie Robertson (32:47)

I know.

John Luke Robertson (32:48)

Playroom is next to the bedroom, right beside the bedroom. The walls are like, just. Just. Just wallpaper. So, like, you were. It was hard to not be loud or wake him up.

Sadie Robertson (32:59)

I know.

John Luke Robertson (33:00)

You just had to be outside.

Christian Huff (33:01)

Speaking of the Sharpie on paper. That was such a thing down there. Like, any message you needed everyone to know you just wrote Sharpie on paper. And I remember this is. This will be funny to people who know who Godwin is, but Godwin's daughter. Do y' all remember Johanna? Yeah, we love Johanna now, but she was our arch nemesis. And do you remember when we wrote on the Sharpie the paper and put it on the playroom like, grandkids only. And we got in so much trouble for doing that. And then we ended up. I think that was around the time we ended up building our fort.

Sadie Robertson (33:35)

Yeah.

Christian Huff (33:35)

Outside. Talk about lawless and reckless. We were, like, very young with hammer and nails.

John Luke Robertson (33:40)

Oh, yeah.

Christian Huff (33:40)

And when we say fort, that was the most epic.

Sadie Robertson (33:43)

Yep.

Christian Huff (33:44)

I mean, in my mind. Yeah.

John Luke Robertson (33:45)

The fort outside, two stores, two story floor. Yeah. The fort was cool, but the thing that was really dangerous was the booby traps we made.

Sadie Robertson (33:53)

Yeah.

John Luke Robertson (33:54)

We, like, dig holes and put nails in there. Like, legitimately, like, this would, like, kill some. Like, definitely maim somebody. And we were doing all that and then running through it.

Sadie Robertson (34:06)

But one time he sent us out. One time he sent us out. It was John Luke and I. And we were. I think John Luke was. I can't remember. We were, like, eight. We were eight years old. And he said. He said, hey, y' all go down there, burn that trash. There's a can of diesel down there. And I was like, well, okay. Well, we get down there. Oh, yeah. Like, we were burning trash. What's like, he sent us down to get the Diesel. Well, there's 15 there's 15 cans full of gas and diesel and all kind of stuff. It's like you picked the wrong one, John. Luke and I are.

John Luke Robertson (34:38)

Yeah.

Sadie Robertson (34:38)

At least maimed forever.

John Luke Robertson (34:41)

Right.

Sadie Robertson (34:42)

And it's like we just, we were just like, well, let's see. You know, and I remember we tested it, you know, we were, we were smart. Yeah, we tested a little bit. And you know, one of them, you know, it's like, okay, that may not be good. He said it wasn't going to blow up if we use diesel. You know, it's like we're trying to figure it out. It's like we're eight years old.

John Luke Robertson (34:58)

Yeah.

Sadie Robertson (34:58)

And that was the time too that Lyle Sinky came down there and he was there and he said, oh yeah, y' all use diesel. Good job. He said, y' all want to see some. Some really cool stuff? And we're like, okay. So we go down to the river house where Lyle was living at the time and he had this giant brush pile. Well, he dumped gas all over the whole thing and then drew a line all the way back to his front door and lit a match. And it was a giant mushroom cloud of just black smoke blowing up everywhere. It's like it was, it was lawless.

John Luke Robertson (35:30)

It was crazy, the burning of the trash. Just to give you all the illustration mental image, this was these like metal can trash cans and we would like haul the trash in and like pile them up and then just dump the diesel in and then light it and run. Was the, the method there.

Sadie Robertson (35:47)

And I will say this, I still do that to this day on job sites and everything. I just throw my stuff in the burn barrel, light it up. Like think of pep off every time.

Christian Huff (35:54)

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John Luke Robertson (38:30)

The hide and seek was so dangerous. Thinking about it, dangerous it would be in the air. We turn the lights off.

Christian Huff (38:35)

Yeah.

John Luke Robertson (38:35)

And then the whole warehouse is fair game. So it'd be pitch black and we're climbing up the ladder. Climb up on the things. Yeah, we're like, I mean, 20 something feet on the air, hiding in boxes. You can't see anything.

Sadie Robertson (38:47)

And too, it was like, you know, we played the version of hide and seek where there was a base. Yeah, you play hide and seek. And if you get found out where you got to run the base. Unless you're out. You know, if you get tagged, you're out.

Christian Huff (38:57)

Out.

Sadie Robertson (38:57)

And I just, I remember like these just panicked, like jumping and running through boxes, and it's just pitch black, you know? And it's like, these were racks. I mean, it was a big metal building, and it was racks that were probably 20ft tall.

John Luke Robertson (39:10)

Yeah.

Sadie Robertson (39:11)

That they would store all the products on. And we would climb up to the very top and get in boxes. And so we're, like, climbing up, trying to climb down. Oh, he's getting close. And we're jumping off from one rack to the other, and, like, the only light is, like.

John Luke Robertson (39:23)

Like, from, like, underneath the doors and, like, the. The big, like, garage door. Like, the light. There's just a stream of light on the ground.

Christian Huff (39:31)

What. What do y' all. Cuz for me, when I think about eating down there, because obviously Mama K always made, like, the best food, but also, I think about honey buns. Like, the snacks they had were pecan swirls. Swirls.

Sadie Robertson (39:45)

I still cannot go. I still do not go duck hunting without at least two honey buns in my blind bag.

Christian Huff (39:50)

That's like nostalgia or memory. It is one thing that is so funny now. Like, us having kids, it's like you can't imagine them doing the things that we did down there, but at the same time, like, that was some of our favorite memories from childhood. And I want them to be like that. Like, the other day, I was looking at Honey, I was like, oh, my gosh, you need to be outside more. You need to get dirty more. She's like, so such a princess. I'm like, you need to go play hide and go seek in a warehouse, you know, and learn what life is really like. And so some of that you really do want to pass down. You want to carry on just that. Even just being a country kid from Louisiana and, like, building forts outside, like, I really want to make sure I pass that down. I wanted to ask you, like, what are some things that y' all see even in your dad? Because there's stuff I see in dad that's so much like football field. Obviously, there's, like, the. The funny, not so good side. We're like, okay, you could say I love you more. You know, you could hug us more. Those things. But, like, there's also so many things. Recently for me, my dad started making, like, mayh jelly. And that has been, like, the coolest, greatest thing, like, carrying on that legacy. And he spent so much time. More recently than ever, I feel like, since we started filming outside, like, doing just projects around the land. And I know he's doing that because I think he learned that. I mean, I know he learned that. From purple Phil. And as his life is getting a little more busy, he's spending, like, more time in the woods. So I appreciate that. What are some things that y' all have seen the legacy pass down to your dad and y' all?

Cole Robertson (41:20)

Yeah, we were talking with him sort of about this the other night. But, I mean, when we look at Phil and see how much he did not care at all about what everyone thought, my dad, out of all the qualities Phil had, I think my dad got that one where he doesn't care what people think. You know, whatever they say about him, he does not care. That's probably the biggest thing, which is a blessing for him.

Christian Huff (41:44)

Such a blessing for him.

Sadie Robertson (41:45)

And there's so many things that they all just do the same, which I don't know about your dad, but, like, the.

Christian Huff (41:48)

The.

Sadie Robertson (41:49)

The coffee that my dad makes is the same nasty coffee that Phil always made, you know, and it's like. It's just. It is the most disgusting thing ever. I mean, they. You know, and I. I really like coffee, and I like strong coffee, and I'll drink it. But there's this hilarious story of. Of the last couple years. Some guys have. As Phil's kind of declined and gotten older, and he couldn't, because he used to just work on that land, I mean, his whole life, every day, all day long, just by himself. He managed all those acres and all that property. And so some guys have come, and. And in exchange for being able to hunt, they help out around the property, and. And, you know, they've got skill sets. One of them's a general contractor, so he's helping build blinds and stuff like that. Well, they were in the blind one time, and. And Phil, he left his coffee cup, and he said, who's got some coffee down there? And one of the guys, he said, oh, I got some. And he said, that was just the one morning. He just kind of said it. And as he said it, he realized that that morning, he didn't make coffee. And he had stopped at the gas station and filled up his coffee mug. So he pours Phil a cup of coffee, and he takes a sip and just spits it out everywhere, dumps it out. He says, hey, don't you ever bring that crap in here again. He said, let me tell you how to do it. He said, you get you a $20 bun coffee maker. You put the filter in. You take Folgers black grounds, and you fill it all the way up to the top, and you let it roll. And he said, yeah, but if you fill it all the way up to the top. It overflows water everywhere. And it gets all over the counter and makes a huge mess. And he goes, hey, you got you a woman, don't you? He was serious about that coffee. But, I mean, I went off on a rabbit trail there, but I love it.

Christian Huff (43:43)

I was actually going to ask you how he made his.

John Luke Robertson (43:45)

Well, that's actually exactly how my dad makes his coffee.

Cole Robertson (43:48)

He.

John Luke Robertson (43:48)

He was showing me how to do it, how he makes it. And he was like, you fill it up and then every couple minutes you turn it off or it'll like overflow. And then sometimes it overflows and gets in there. And I said, well, why don't you just put less coffee? You can't put less coffee. It's not gonna be strong enough. You gotta. It's gotta overflow in there. There gotta be some grind.

Christian Huff (44:07)

Yeah, it's disgusting.

Sadie Robertson (44:10)

It is disgusting. But I will say there, that is a core memory for me of drinking coffee that makes the hair on the back of your neck stand up and the duck blonde. You know, as the sun's coming up and you're hearing wings over your head, you know, it's a spiritual experience for sure.

Christian Huff (44:24)

That is cool.

John Luke Robertson (44:25)

That's actually where I got my start in coffee.

Christian Huff (44:28)

Really?

John Luke Robertson (44:28)

Yeah. So whenever I was 15, 14, 15, and I was working for him in the summer, so I was staying down there and we'd start, you know, before daylight. So we get up at like 4:30. He'd come in the room, he'd turn the light on, he'd walk out, and I was like, when he turns the light on, it's like, you gotta get up.

Sadie Robertson (44:45)

Yeah.

John Luke Robertson (44:46)

So he would go out and get the fuller and stuff ready, whatever we're gonna be doing that day. And my job was to make breakfast and make the coffee. So the coffee was in this. It was like an aluminum. It's called a percolator. And how it works is you put the coffee grounds in this aluminum filter and the water like, bubbles up through it. Well, in his filter, he had taken a. Like a fork and stabbed the holes so that the holes of the filter were bigger, which meant the grounds would just like, get in. So whenever I would make the coffee, it would. There would be just a thick layer of coffee at the bottom of grounds at the bottom. So when you would finish your cup, the whole bottom cup would just be filled with the grounds. And that's what he liked. And that's what I started drinking too, at 15, because it was like, that's what you do. It's all you got.

Christian Huff (45:38)

That is so funny. Gosh, I love it. Y' all have to make me feel special one day.

John Luke Robertson (45:44)

You literally spit it out.

Christian Huff (45:45)

The experience.

John Luke Robertson (45:46)

You will. You will gag before it even gets to your lips from the smell.

Christian Huff (45:51)

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John Luke Robertson (48:05)

Yeah, for me, I mean, just growing up, hearing him talk about the gospel, being in church, seeing his, like, work outside, was, you know, all so impactful. And baptized me at 14. And then later on, seeing him just, like, living his life, really. I mean, I. I kind of. I shared the story the other day, but. But one of the last things I got to do with him in the hospital was a group from church came and we sang a cappella. And he, at this point, couldn't really speak, but he was aware of what was going on. So we were all singing, and we were seeing victory in Jesus. And he was like, you know, you could tell he kind of understood and, you know, singing those words, like, well, now I'm blanking on the words, seeing those words, like, truly thinking, like, he believes with everything he has. He has victory in Jesus. He knows wholeheartedly, like, he's coming to the end and he's going to be in heaven soon. And being able to go in that with that amount of confidence, like me at, you know, 29 years old, been a Christian my whole life. In that moment, I was like, man, this is, like, real.

Christian Huff (49:26)

Yeah.

John Luke Robertson (49:26)

Like, I. I get it. I see the faith. I see what faith can do. I see how God has worked in his life, and I see his. His faith in that. Even, like, in the end, where things like, we would. From our perspective, things are going wrong. He's like, no, this is all part of the plan. Plan.

Christian Huff (49:46)

Great. It's good.

Sadie Robertson (49:47)

Yeah. Kind of bridging the gap with what he passed down to our dads that has gotten into us. Just his. His. How ferocious he was with preaching the gospel. And, I mean, he was trying to baptize everybody. He never had a conversation with anyone that he wasn't trying to work the gospel in or just straight up telling it to him, you know? And, I mean, we watched our parents our whole lives. I mean, they had people sitting in our living room, growing up on the couch, preaching them the gospel and going and finding some water and baptizing them, and, I mean, our whole lives, like, three nights a week, forever, you know, and they would. They would come in, they would sit down. My dad would preach them the gospel, and he'd say, you need to go back and you need to read the Book of John, and then you can come back and we'll have a Bible study. But you Got to start there. And so I was probably, you know, I was 12 or 13, and I said, dad, I want to be baptized. And it was a carbon copy of what I've seen him do. I've said this, like, so many times. I mean, I say this every time I speak and. But it was just a carbon copy of what I'd seen him do hundreds of times before. Go back, read the Book of John, and come back and talk to me, you know, and it just. Just. It made me. It made me realize that now as I've gotten older and I live in Nashville and I have my own family and I'm involved in. In my own church, and we lead a Bible study, and. And I've got people coming in my house now. You know, it's just. I can hold on to that of. There is absolutely nothing that can waver me from. From what I'm doing is right. You know, the thought of, okay, I've seen this done for literally generations. I know how to do this, you know, And I just think that's so valuable because that's something that, you know, you can't really. You can't just have a conversation with someone and teach them how to go preach the gospel. I mean, it. You can. They can say the right words, but it's so much more than that.

Christian Huff (51:50)

Yep.

Sadie Robertson (51:51)

And it's just. It has inspired me so much to. To just be bold in my faith. And. And. And it's inspired me, too, in my study, too, because I'm like, hey, I need to always be prepared to give an answer, you know? And so. So it's. I'm studying more and I'm preparing, and I'm. My faith is growing like that, and it's just. It. It really is amazing to think about, you know, just of just an example. It's great.

Christian Huff (52:15)

It's so true.

Cole Robertson (52:16)

And it was always done in love.

Christian Huff (52:19)

Yep.

Cole Robertson (52:21)

You know, like, I think a lot of times we think of someone going out, you know, trying to convert as many people to Jesus as possible. There are a lot of different strategies people take, and a lot of people will drive fear. But with. And Phil, he. You know, he's known to yell in a lesson, you know, from time to two, but whenever you're sitting with him talking about Jesus, it's always with love, you know, it makes me think of Jesus's words when he says, and by this, you'll know that you're my disciples if you love one another. And we knew that Phil was Jesus's disciple because of the way that he loved everyone. Didn't matter who you were. I mean, the amount of famous people that came down to his house, and he treated them the same as, you know, the homeless people that showed up, too. Just to hear from him was always done with love. And that's something, you know, that has definitely impacted me. And another thing is what you said, John, like, just about how confident he is. Like, I think of the verse in First John 2 where he says, I write these things to you so that you may know you have eternal life. I look at the way Phil lived his life. I mean, there was not a doubt in his mind where he was going and that he had eternal life and where he stood before God Almighty. And in my own life, I've struggled a lot with doubt and uncertainty in my own faith and lots of different things. I've got a degree in philosophy, so lots of questions. Have I wrestled with a lot of questions? I guess so. So when I look at Phil and see the. Throughout his entire life, from the time he was converted to the time he went to be in heaven, he never wavered and always had such a strong confidence in his faith in who he was before God.

Christian Huff (54:12)

That's great. It's so beautiful. It's so real. Like, y' all. I think one of the things Cool, I love you mentioned is that it was always done in love. Because I think sometimes people's perspective of Pebble Phil from the outside who haven't leaned in and learned more about his life or really listen to his sermons is that he's harsh or he's judgmental. And he. That really was not who he is in the heart of what he did. Like, he always said, love God and love your neighbor. And he really did that. It did not matter who showed up at his house. He was going to treat them the same. And to him, the most loving thing he could do was to give them the gospel.

Sadie Robertson (54:47)

Right?

Christian Huff (54:47)

Because he was the first to admit. I mean, to have the humility to make. Let a movie be made about, like, the worst parts of your story. That to me, that I gained so much respect for him because they could have made a movie about a lot of other things about Pebble Phil, and it would have been more of a highlight reel. But he let them share the hardest part of his story when he, you know, was really living in the depths of sin. And then you see his transformation, what the gospel really did, what baptism meant to him, that he really did go from dead to life, that he was old to new. And then that set him on the trajectory he was on for the rest of his life. So to him, the most loving thing he could ever do do is to give people the hope of Jesus. And that's what he did. It was so beautiful and same for us. I'm so grateful that my parents, like, had so many people in our home. Richest of the poorest, didn't matter who they were. And the Bible would often get out and they'd start studying, and a lot of times we'd go down to the pond or to two Mama's pool. I've seen pictures of my dad baptizing people in hot tubs and, like, ice in. What's that pond that, like, cow manure was everywhere and in the pond. And they. They do that. That's what they saw their dad do. They believed it wholeheartedly. And like you said, I remember whenever I asked dad to baptize me and he told me to study more, and then we'd talk about it like, it was so. It's so real. And it's the same thing for us now. Like, that's why baptism is so important to me. You know, when we started our conference, and people are like, oh, baptism's logistical nightmare. I'm like, I don't care. It's not about the logistic. We'll make the whole floor wet. We'll clean it up later, like, because this is going from dead to life. This is, like, our public, public moment. And we've just seen the importance of that passed down from Pep Off Phil. I'm so, so grateful for that. He is a legend. He will always be a legend, and I'm so grateful he was our grandpa. So grateful for the lessons we learned from him and the fun that we get to have as kids. And just want to say thank y' all for. In a. In a, you know, hard week, but also a sweet week for coming on and sharing some stories. This was great.

John Luke Robertson (56:55)

Yeah, for sure. I've been thinking about this, but I really thought about this morning because I saw this article about. It was talking about Phil and, you know, his life and everything, and talked about how he came to Christ at 28. And I was like, 28. Like, I'm 29. And thinking about his legacy. All really. All the videos we have, everything we see from him is from the last 10 years. Like, he was baptized at 28. It took 20ish years for him to get to the point where he was when Duck Dynasty started. And then everything, like, came up, and he was doing all the things in those 20 years prior so it's like for me thinking about like, because I've thought that too of like, oh, there's so much pressure with who he was and who my dad is and who my uncles are. But I'm like, I'm only 28, like I'm just getting started here. It's a lifetime.

Christian Huff (57:54)

Yeah.

John Luke Robertson (57:55)

Also thinking about Phil and how confident he was in the gospel is because of how bad he was like the Blind movie going through his life. I remember when we were making the Blind and I was involved in some of the, some of the early like writing processes and seeing the early scripts and one comment that kind of kept coming up was Phil is so bad, no one wants him to succeed like you had.

Christian Huff (58:24)

You had to actually make it look better than it was.

John Luke Robertson (58:26)

It really was better. Even some of the early cuts of the Blind, everyone was like K should just leave him. No one wants him to get back together. And that's the problem is like he's too bad to even be come back from this. Kay should just leave him. And that is the miracle of the gospel and the miracle of Christ. Christ that he, he was the villain, he was the abuser. And through Jesus he completely changed his life around to where now and even as at as a six year old grandfather, he's involved in our life in this tada stuff that would have never happened if that change wouldn't have happened at 28.

Sadie Robertson (59:09)

Even in that, in that video of him when he was way younger, you know and he's, he's trying to baptize those two guys. You know, he kept calling him two fellers.

John Luke Robertson (59:15)

Yeah.

Sadie Robertson (59:17)

And he's like, he preaches the gospel and he's like, I mean that's good news. You he's looking at him, he's like, I mean at the very least that's good news for me.

Christian Huff (59:26)

I love how he says that.