Stop Chasing Signs and Start Trusting God: 4 Generations of Wisdom

Summary

WHOA That’s Good Podcast

Episode: “Stop Chasing Signs and Start Trusting God: 4 Generations of Wisdom”

Host: Sadie Robertson Huff
Air Date: June 10, 2026

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Episode Overview

This engaging episode of WHOA That’s Good brings together four generations of women from the Robertson family—Sadie, her mother Korie, her grandmother Chrys, and great-grandmother Jo—to answer listener voicemails about motherhood, faith journeys, relationships, and personal growth. Their candid, often humorous conversation illustrates how timeless wisdom and spiritual perspective pass from one generation to another. The episode is warm, practical, and full of encouragement for listeners seeking godly wisdom on real-life challenges.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Generational Wisdom & Changing Times

(03:00–12:00)

• The hosts reminisce about fashion, parenting, and how much has changed over generations—from vintage hairstyles to the advent of social media.
• They reflect on the pressures modern mothers face due to curated trends (like making every milestone a “moment” for Instagram), emphasizing that many experiences were simpler in the past.
• Importance of learning from older generations, who often provide a more balanced and less self-focused perspective on parenting and life.

"I think that is why generations are so important. That is the gift of having generational understanding and wisdom...and seeing like, oh, things do change and go on and it’s not as big of a deal as what you think.”
—Korie (10:51)

The Value of the Church and Spiritual Family

(12:04–12:50)

• Sadie points out that the church is one of the few places where multiple generations come together, providing mentorship even for those who lack close family connections.
• Sharing family wisdom helps to keep perspective during life changes and challenges.

Parenting Biblically When Kids Resist

(14:55–28:18)

• Listener question: How to parent biblically when kids say “no” and how to avoid losing your temper?
• All four generations affirm occasional frustration is normal (“I do lose my temper…” – Sadie, 15:33), but emphasize the importance of being firm and consistent.
• Korie and Sadie share practical stories about discipline, consistency, and setting clear boundaries.
• “Obedience” is reframed as a biblical concept that children learn first in the home, preparing them to respond to God’s authority.
• Confessing mistakes to your kids and apologizing models humility and maintains relationship.

“A haircut is instant ugly… anyone can be ugly with a bad haircut.”
—Chrys (05:31, humorous aside)

“It is on you to be the one that’s self-controlled and to teach them what self-control looks like.”
—Korie (26:01)

• Memaw Jo offers the generational wisdom: "You can stay, but that behavior’s gotta go. And I meant it.” (28:18)

Moving on After a Situationship/Ghosting

(30:21–37:04)

• Listener question: How do you get closure and move on after being “ghosted” in a four-year situationship?
• Sadie reassures listeners that heartbreak will heal and that “one day you will not think about it”—perspective that only time can give.
• Korie references Garth Brooks’s “Unanswered Prayers” and the gratitude that often comes later for things that didn’t work out.
• The panel stresses self-worth: “Say, ‘There is something better for me, and I deserve better than that…’” (D, 35:28) and “It’s a good thing this happened now” before more people were involved (C, 36:54).

Hearing God’s Voice vs. Chasing Signs

(37:08–49:06)

• Listener question: How can I be sure I’m hearing from God, and not just my own thoughts?
• Korie invokes the famous Mother Teresa quote: “I’ve never had clarity. What I’ve had is faith.”
• The conversation critiques “chasing signs” and over-spiritualizing every decision, advocating instead for a day-to-day relationship and trust in God’s character.
• Sadie and Korie note it’s easy to confuse our own biases (“white car syndrome”) with God’s direction.
• Chrys keeps it simple: “All the goodness in this world is from God. The bad stuff is the world. God is there to get you through it…” (48:19)

"You are not powerful enough to mess it up… Love God, love people. That’s what Jesus said.”
—Sadie (45:49–46:37)

Sharing Your Faith as an Introvert

(52:18–61:10)

• Listener question: How can a shy, introverted person speak about their faith confidently?
• Chrys and her daughter (D) encourage “doing it afraid”—the more you try, the more confident you become.
• Apologizing for shyness can become self-fulfilling; instead, speak positively over yourself.
• The Bible is full of people who felt unqualified but stepped up anyway (Moses, Esther, Peter).
• Authenticity is valuable, but so is discernment: “There’s an aspect to authenticity and vulnerability that’s powerful. But there’s also a point where it goes, that’s just too much.”

—Sadie (61:04)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Vintage Fashion & Mom Humor:
  “I used to say, haircut is instant ugly. Anyone can be ugly with a bad haircut!”
  —Chrys (05:31)

• On Parenting Consistency:
  “Consistency is like the major word in parenting from about ages 2 to 9 or 10, and by then they should have it down.”
  —D (20:31)

• On Chasing Spiritual Signs:
  “I see that a lot with this generation… trying to figure out all the signs or what he said or what the Lord said… it leads to more confusion.”
  —Korie (39:11)

• God’s Will & Trust:
  “God wants you to love him and love others. That’s pretty much it… There’s not a specific thing or way that God wants you to go and if you don’t go that, oh, whoops, sorry. God’s up there like, man, I really wanted her to take that path. He’s not doing that.”
  —D (44:14)

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Segment Timestamps

• Generational Wisdom & Fashion Stories: 03:00–12:00
• Role of the Church & Mentorship: 12:04–12:50
• Parenting Disciplines & Losing Your Temper: 14:55–28:18
• Moving on from a Situationship: 30:21–37:04
• Hearing God’s Voice vs. Chasing Signs: 37:08–49:06
• Introversion & Sharing Faith Boldly: 52:18–61:10

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Takeaways

• Every generation faces its own challenges, but wisdom and perspective from older generations can provide immense reassurance and clarity.
• Be firm, loving, and consistent as a parent. Mistakes happen—apologize when you lose your temper, but don’t shy from discipline.
• You are worthy of healthy, loving relationships—let go of those who do not value you.
• Stop chasing signs or obsessing over clarity; trust in God and walk daily with Him.
• God’s core desire is that we love Him and others; you can’t “miss” His will by accident.
• Shyness doesn’t disqualify you from making an impact—take small steps, speak truth, and don’t apologize for how God made you.
• Authenticity matters, but so does discernment in what you choose to share.

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Final Words

This heartfelt, multi-generational episode leaves listeners with practical wisdom, deep encouragement, and the reminder that life doesn’t have to be figured out all at once. Trust, faith, and the support of family and church are constants that help believers navigate every phase and challenge.

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Transcript

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[C]

Thank you.

[B]

Thanks for having us. Always fun.

[D]

It's always fun. And it's crazy to say that that's. They're in the top 10 with us.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Wow.

[A]

Y' all are. Y' all are.

[B]

It's Mamaw Jo. That's right, the queen.

[A]

I have to tell this story on air because we were just talking about. But it's pretty funny. So recently I was looking for a picture of Mamaw Jo on my phone and Mamaw has all these Iconic older pictures of her, you know, because how. What year were you a teenager?

[C]

Like, 1944.

[A]

See? I mean, just 19.

[B]

I will say Memo's always been a fashion icon. Always, Always.

[A]

He's an icon living. We gotta put some.

[B]

Would have saved some of your clothes. Like, we definitely should have had some of that.

[D]

You have that one suit that you have.

[B]

I do have a suit. Yes. That is fabulous suit.

[C]

Which you could wear today.

[B]

Yeah, for sure.

[A]

And I have your cheerleading jacket that is so cute. That I've worn before.

[D]

And I have her wedding dress that she made herself.

[B]

So cool. She sewed herself her wedding dress.

[A]

That's crazy. But you have some epic pictures that are very vintage. And so I was looking for one on my phone because you know how many pictures. 80,000 pictures on my phone. So I type in vintage, and I actually didn't get any of your pictures. I got you in fifth grade. Mom in fifth grade with her perm. With my. Was that a. Was that a perm or was that your hair?

[B]

That was a perm. I had naturally curly hair. Somehow Mom's hairdresser convinced her that if I got a perm, it would kind of like, tame my natural curls. Instead, I look like a poodle.

[A]

You look like Abe in fifth grade. You got a perm.

[D]

Well, it wasn't so bad until she decided that she wanted bangs. And I kept telling her, bangs and curly hair do not go together. Like, have you ever seen somebody with curly hair and bangs? Mom, please.

[B]

Lauren Daigle.

[A]

Curly hair and bangs of the dots,

[D]

she's got, like, the big Y. But so then when the bangs were cut, then it was game over.

[B]

But so the fact that it came up when you searched vintage. My picture came up. That is hilarious.

[A]

Fifth grade, it was.

[B]

Why did you even think desert vintage for memo?

[A]

Because it was vintage. Like. Like, it looked like a vintage photo. It was like 1940s.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

I don't even think it was black and white. Was it the. The.

[D]

There was no such thing as color.

[A]

Yeah. Okay. Well, in the 40s, my mind, there was color. Yeah, I guess. I don't know. I just was, like, trying to think of how I could find this photo in 80,000 photos. And I don't even know when it was taken or when. You know what I mean? And so I just like vintage. And then there's poodle mom in fifth

[B]

grade, which led to a good post.

[A]

It led to a really funny post. There's a REBA trend going on that

[C]

mom, your mom had naturally big hair. When everybody Else teased theirs to make it big.

[B]

That's true.

[A]

I did.

[B]

It did work for me. It did work for me in high school, because the big hair was all the rage then.

[A]

So I was just thinking about you telling her, like, don't get phased with curly hair.

[B]

That never works.

[A]

And you say, Lauren Daigle. That's such a classic. Like, you go to the hairstyle, and you're like, I want to like Lauren Daigle. And then you're like, oh, shoot.

[B]

Mom was also, like, an honest mom. I remember mom used to be like, a haircut can make or break you. Like, a haircut, it can make all the difference.

[D]

I used to say, haircut is instant ugly. Yeah. Like, you got to get the right.

[B]

Anyone can be ugly with a bad haircut.

[D]

And you have to think about, like, in the 80s, we didn't have, like, the curling tools. Like, today, people have all this information on how to make curls do. And, like. But in those days, like, if you ran a brush through curly hair, you just have, like, a mound of.

[B]

And that's what we did. We just run a brush through.

[D]

We didn't have that little diffuser. We didn't have any of those.

[A]

Did you. Did you really, like, what. What do you say, like, roll your hair with orange.

[D]

With orange juice cans?

[A]

Did you really do that?

[D]

My ears was super straight. Yeah. Hers was super curly, so our ears were super straight. So we saved those orange juice cans that mom would make orange juice in the morning and was like, put those aside. Then we would roll them and sleep in them.

[A]

Wow.

[D]

Sleeping them. Like, hard to sleep. Oh, you just. It was worth it, you know, you just.

[C]

Let me tell you how they dried it.

[D]

Yes.

[C]

She and her sister would go out to the air conditioning unit outside.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

That was blowing off this hot air from cooling the inside. And stand by the air conditioner, because we didn't have.

[D]

We didn't have blow dryers.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[D]

The first blow dryer I saw was my senior trip to Florida, and Pam Prevost had a hair dryer, a blow dryer. We were like, what is that? Yes.

[A]

Whoa.

[D]

So we just had those little bubble things you'd put over your curlers. But we didn't wear our hair like that anymore. We wore it straight. So we set out in the air conditioner vent, you know.

[A]

Oh, my gosh.

[D]

Hey, if we were anything, we were creative.

[A]

Yeah, sure we did.

[D]

We figured it out.

[B]

Okay. Also, like, how times have changed in our lifetime. But, mama, in your lifetime. That's crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So how did you do your hair when you didn't have all that pin curls.

[C]

We had. We had perms, you know, that would make your hair naturally curly.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And rollers.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So we had rollers. We did it. We managed.

[A]

Why did you use orange cans if you had rollers?

[D]

Because they weren't big rollers that had. For some reason that had not been invented. Like, that's a hard thing. We could send someone to the moon, but nobody had a big roller on the market yet, so we just.

[C]

That was all about control.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Curl, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Straightened it.

[D]

But it's funny because one mission trip I took, like, 10 or 15 years ago, 10 or 12 years ago, I took. There's no electricity, so I took bobby pins, and one night I just put my hair in bobby pins, and the next day I just had all these curls. And the girls were like, how did you do that? There's no. I said, well, it pays to be old, because there was a time when that's how you got your hair to curl.

[A]

Yeah. That's so cool. I love it. You always send me those, like, retro videos on Instagram, and I'm like, is this real life? Like, she sent me one of your childhood, and we would never do that as parents. Like, the things that y' all did and survived. And it's good to be reminded that it's okay to let loose a little bit, I think. Yeah. I think social media these days put so much pressure on motherhood. That it is. I know that's not even what we're talking about today, but it's true. And it helps whenever on my social media, I get videos from you back in the day parenting. Because it's like, okay, this is good perspective.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, I was even telling. Even since I had honey, like, five years ago ago to today, I was telling my friends who just became moms. Like, it's actually changed a lot, even now from five years ago, more intense. It's because, like, trends come, for instance, like, breastfeeding whenever people. It's like a trend right now. And it's like, the last time you're going to breastfeed your baby. And so it's like, this is the last day or this is the last time. And then it's like you're crying, and it's like this whole thing. Then it's to the music of something really sad that makes you want to cry. And I was like, I don't even know. Like, when I stopped breastfeeding, Haven, I didn't even, like, think about that. And that was only three years ago. But I didn't think about it because it wasn't a trend. And so we just like naturally transitioned off and it was like sweet. But I. It wasn't that deep, you know that like heavy. Yeah. And then with Kit now I've been like thinking about it because I see everything and I'm like, it's hard to like make that a whole moment. Makes it really like deep and sad in this whole big dramatic thing. But I don't know that it would be that if that wasn't like a trend right now. I mean there is that emotional pool as a mom. Yes. And a season changing but it's like you didn't really know it was changing. And now it's like this is the last time I'm going to put it to this song and it's going to be this whole thing. And so anyways, I was just saying it's interesting in five years how much it's even gotten more because of social media because you just see every. See how everybody else.

[D]

Everything today is a moment like everything is such a big deal and some things need to just. It's just life.

[B]

I think that is why generations are so important. I think that is the gift of having generational understanding and wisdom and hearing from y' all and seeing like oh, things do, you know, change and go on and it's not as big of a deal as what you think. And if you are just in it with like your generation and the people that same age as you, you can feel like everything that you're doing is the biggest thing ever. And you know, there are, those are big moments but also there's a lot of life still to live from.

[C]

My generation, I'm looking at this as being so much more self centered, you know, thinking of yourself in these situations where when my generation, we just did it.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[C]

Last day of nursing.

[A]

Yay.

[D]

I don't have to do that. Moving on.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

It is.

[B]

Yes. Well, it's true though it. That is there is a self centered part of it because it's like it's about me. It's about my last day of nursing where nursing really is about your baby. It's about, you know, what's best.

[C]

Feeding your child.

[B]

Your child. But that does kind of make it more about like oh, it's about me. Yeah. That's interesting.

[A]

That is interesting. It's so good to hear yalls perspective and it's so fun to learn from y' all because yeah, we need that. I Think so many people are just learning from who they follow on Instagram, and who you follow on Instagram is all kind of the same person because the algorithm feeds you what you like, and so you don't get other perspectives. You're not getting other generations thoughts. That's why I think the church is so important, you know, because so many people I know don't have this. This is very rare. But in the church, you have that. The church is built to be that. That you have generations to look up to. Mentorship, grandmothers, great grandmothers, mothers. And although they might not be, it can be your spiritual family. And I think that's so important because, yeah, hearing Yalls perspective is. Is so, so helpful. And it. I think y' all have always kept it even, like on the child. And that's helped me, even right now as kids, like weaning off and I'm like, oh, that's so sad. But then I'm also seeing her grow. And with our situation, it was unique and like, we kind of like had to get on formula at that point because she needed to grow more in the surgery. And it's like, oh, okay, she's doing great. You know, it's sad for me, but she's doing great. Y. And so it's just good perspective. The best part about Father's Day, honestly, isn't even the gifts. It's getting dad to actually sit down and relax for five minutes. My dad is constantly working on some project, building something, fixing something. I mean, the man does not stop. And that's why meals together feel extra special this time of year. And Good Ranchers has become such a staple for us. It's meat that you can trust with no added hormones or antibiotics. And 100% of their meat is sourced from local American farms and ranches. And plus it gets delivered straight to your door, which makes life so much easier in busy seasons of life, especially when we're living in right now. And okay, I can't lie, our family is very passionate about the Good Ranchers chicken nuggets. I'm talking very passionate. We. This is the hill we will die on. Christian loves them. The girls love them. They are the MVP of our house. They're quick, they taste amazing, and I love having an easy option that's still made with high quality ingredients and skips the seed oils. Y', all, we just love it. Every order with Good Ranchers is backed by their satisfaction guarantee, so there's no stress. We love coming home and seeing our Good Ranchers box on the doorstep every month. It's so exciting. And if you're thinking about Father's Day gifts right now, Good Ranchers is such a good one because you can actually buy any Father's Day gift box this month and they're going to throw on free Wagyu burgers. What's not to love? And the offer is only for this month. So head over to Good ranchers dot com, grab a Father's Day gift box, get those free wagyu burgers added at checkout, and make summer dinners a little easier and a whole lot better. That's goodranchers.com American meat delivery I know we have some voicemails to get to, so we will hit it. Josh hi Sadie.

[E]

My question is, how do you parent your kids biblically when they tell you no or strictly just not listening to you, how do you not lose your temper? I have slipped quite a few times and regret it and feel absolutely horrible. I truly admire your love for Jesus and I'm so grateful for you and your podcast. I have gained so much from listening and learning about our God. By the way, my daughter and I watch reruns of that Dynasty almost every day, and if it's not every day, she will ask to watch Dynasty if we haven't. She loves you guys and I do, too. Thank you so much.

[A]

That was really sweet. Okay, I want to hear Yalls perspective on this. I know two mamas ready to. Ready to go with this. What do you do when the kid tells you no and how to not lose your temper? Okay. For me, though, I do want to just put this out there in the world. I do lose my temper. I. I mean, I get frustrated and I think that. I don't know if this is right or wrong, but I'm just gonna say it. I think, like, so many moms these days feel like the worst person ever when they lose their temper for some reason, but I actually don't. I mean, there's a. There's. Yes, there's rage and there's energy, all that. But I do think that, like, you do need to show your child when something is wrong. And it's a. It's good to be stern about it. And so I. I don't know, because someone was telling me the other day, they were like, I feel so bad because my kid did this. And then I said to her, you are never gonna. And then I was like, oh, I raised my voice and she's gonna be in counseling. I was like, I think you should have done that. I think that was the right thing. To do. But there's this, you know, whole thing about, like, not raising your voice, not getting too. I don't know. Yes, there's. You don't want to be angry. You don't want to have rage. But also, like, you do need to be stern. So I say that to say I do lose my temper at times. There are times that it's more anger than I would like for it to be, in more of a controlled way. But your kids do push your buttons, and so I want y' all to speak into it. But that's just me saying to every mom, it happens. It's part of being human and raising littles.

[D]

Yes. And you'll find that it may be just one of your kids who can push those buttons more than the others. And then you'll feel guilty, like, oh, I feel like I'm saying no to that one more than I'm saying no to the others. But, yes, truly, that one is. Is doing that and expecting that kind of response. But I don't know. I don't think she said how old her child was. So that makes a difference in your response to the no. Of course, when they're, you know, 18 months to three, they're still learning that, and you're. You're able to just redirect them. Oh, we don't tell Mommy no. Mommy said, go get your clothes, go put your toys in the toy box, whatever, and move on. Now, if they're yelling no and they're nine, then you have a much bigger issue than that. And that's when you're like, excuse me. You know, you can speak to me kindly, or you can go to your room so you can figure out how to talk to your mother respectfully. You just. You. You in that form of a loving leader, you let them know you don't speak to me that way or anybody. That's.

[A]

I actually have a real time example of this. It happened yesterday. Yesterday. There's some disobedience happen. I said, get off the scooter. Didn't get off the scooter. So get off the scooter Again. Didn't get off the scooter. I said, all right, you got to go to your room. You're being disobedient. Well, then it was, ugh. And storming and slammed the door. Then it was, okay, now we're not being respectful. So then I went in, had a full conversation about being disobedient, being disrespectful. We're not going to act like that. So you're Going to be in your room. And. And I let them stay in their room for however old they are. So five. Five minutes. For three or three minutes. And so she'd be in her room and then out. And she said, I'm mad. I said, well, are you mad at yourself for. For being disobedient? No. Well, are you mad because your friend had to go home because you're disobeying? No, I'm mad at you. And I was like, well, you shouldn't be mad at me. I said, because I didn't change the rules. I'm always going to get you in trouble when you're disobedient, and I'm always going to get you in trouble when you're disrespectful. And so I was like, you might be frustrated at yourself for doing that, but just know this is always gonna be the standard, you know, and just trying to, one, stay consistent. That's something you told me, Mom. Like, stay consistent with what you get them in trouble for. Like, if they're disobedient, you can't, like, sometimes get them in trouble for it, and sometimes not. Like that consistency matters. And so for me, like, disobedience is a big thing, and then disrespect is a big thing. And you did both. And so it's like, you shouldn't get mad at me because I'm gonna do that every time, you know, And I feel like I don't always do it right. But yesterday that felt like. Right. But there was a moment where I had to literally walk away from the room because I could feel myself getting so mad about it because she was being so rude. So you do kind of have to, like, step away for a minute and come back so that you can say what you really are trying to say. That was a real time example.

[D]

Did she turn it around eventually? She did.

[A]

Yeah, actually. She did. Yeah. And we moved on. And then, you know, then she's like, me. Then she's like, so sorry. And like, you know, hugging me and loving me and so. It was sweet. I actually felt like that was a good one.

[B]

That was great. Yeah, exactly.

[C]

You handle that well.

[B]

Yeah, very well.

[A]

Don't always do it like that. But since that happened yesterday, I thought I'd share.

[D]

Well, and the key word is consistent. I say consistency is like the major word in parenting from about ages 2 to 9 or 10, and by then they should have it down. If you've done that, you know, even. Even by eight, maybe, you know, you're not that they're not going to do things, but you've consistently not let them get away with being disrespectful, hitting their brothers and sisters, you know, things like that. And so if you can be consistent with that, you're going to have a much easier time through those teenage years.

[B]

Yeah, well, I would say that obedience, because she started the question with like, how do I parent my child biblically through obedience? And obedience is a biblical. That's a biblical thing. You know, like, we need to be obedient to God and his laws and the way he set up the world. And our kids need to be. They learn that obedience through us. Like, if the first. The first way they learn obedience is obedient to a good mother, a good father, someone who loves him. And like, I know what's best for you. And I think that is, you know, establishing that early is like, I'm your mother. I know what's best for you. So I'm. It's my job to. To make you obey so that you can. You can learn what that looks like and feels like, and that's going to set them up to be better. So know that you're doing the right thing as a mom by teaching them obedience. So don't feel bad that you're. You're teaching your children obedience.

[A]

That's a. That's a good.

[B]

That's a gift that you're giving your kids. And also, yes, you do. You lose your temper. They can push some buttons, you know, and that kind of thing and things like that happen. But also try to. One thing I think is, like, try to catch it early. Like, if you let something escalate to where you're like, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. And then they don't stop, then of course you're gonna lose your temper when it gets to that point. But if you can start setting those boundaries for yourself and say, like, I'm going to say it once, and if the obedience doesn't happen, then I'm going to deal with it. I'm going to get up and deal with it then. It's a lot harder in the beginning, but it will be. It will pay off in the end because you'll see yourself losing your temper less because you just don't let it escalate to get to that point. But we all have those times, and we all can. It's. You can apologize, you know, apologize to your kid and just say, hey, I lost my temper and I'm sorry. And, you know, but also, I think it can be detrimental to your child if you're, I guess, too patient. I don't know that that's the word, but it's like if you are the parent that just allows your child to walk all over you and you're too patient in a way, they never learn what the real world looks like and someone else is going to put them in their place if you don't. So I do think it's important to. To have that, like, yeah, there's a limit here. And you can't treat me that way and let your kids see that and know that. I was thinking about the time I lost my temper on you when you were like nine.

[E]

We were.

[B]

I'll never forget this moment because I had not spanked our kids in a long time.

[A]

I remember that I had not spanked

[B]

our kids in a very long time because they were more grown, you know,

[A]

as a whole nine year old.

[B]

And Sadie's like nine years old. And we're outside, I remember specifically, and she sat me, like, said something that was, like, really sassy to me. And I just reacted and I just swatted her on the butt. And she was like.

[A]

Then it got worse. I turned around, she was like, did

[B]

you just spank me? And I was like, yes, I did.

[C]

And then you got her attention.

[B]

I had to get her. Yes. It was just like one of those moments that, like, she said something that I was just, like, so shocked and it just went. And she looked at me like, like, did that just happen? I was like, yes, it did. And you don't sass me. So it does happen sometimes. It wasn't my best moment. I probably could have handled that another way, but, you know, sometimes it stuck. It did stuck.

[A]

I still remember it. And I probably didn't do that again.

[B]

And you didn't go to counseling for it?

[A]

No, I didn't. Never brought that one up again.

[B]

We were fine. We're fine.

[A]

That is hilarious. Or did you.

[B]

I don't know.

[E]

Did you?

[A]

No, that one that had no emotional trouble.

[B]

Didn't really hurt that much.

[A]

No, it didn't. That's why I remember going. That was a little sassy. Limited to cheetah fedora, too.

[B]

Oh, you were working it, I'm sure. And then there's another moment I remember I've told this story before, but that y' all were just. It was just one of those days that the kids were just fighting and just. Just annoying each other, annoying me and everything. And I remember Willie comes in and I'm like, like, these kids are driving me crazy. Like, they were just. It was just one of those days. And I was like, everybody's yelling, everybody's fighting, all this kind of stuff. And the TV was on. And Willie just walked over and like, turned the TV off, like, super calmly. And everybody just got quiet. And it was like. And he was like, y' all aren't gonna act that way. And it was just calm and no stress, no drama. And it was so perfect. I was like, why didn't I think of that? You know, it's just like sometimes the simple things, if you. You think about, turn the TV off, settle the room, calm things down, go outside, you know. Yeah. Turn the radio off, Think about. Yeah. Just try to calm things down. And remember that they are little. They are 2, 3, 4. They're little and they're learning and they're trying to figure things out. And it really is not on.

[A]

It's.

[B]

It is on you to control your temper because they're trying to figure it out. They're trying to learn. They're. They're not trying to, you know, like, push all your buttons, but they are. But it is on you to be the one that's self controlled and to teach them what self control looks like.

[A]

No, that's so good. I think that is so good. I echo everything you said. And when I'm talking about people feeling bad, is what you said, like being too patient to where it's like they're. They feel bad to discipline and it's like. Yes. Feel bad if you're getting too angry or rage or like out of control. Yes, absolutely. That's something to be dealt with for sure. In your own heart. But do not feel bad for disciplining and being stern and being, you know, because that is being the leader and being a leader, like you said, like, you're. You're going to. Either they're gonna learn it from you or they're gonna learn it from somebody.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And. Yeah, you gotta be a good leader. That just made me think Emma.

[B]

I feel like I want to hear from Emma on this.

[C]

So first of all, getting. Getting fed up and losing your temper, it's not generational, that's gone on forever. But you just have to always remember that you are rearing adults and rules turn into laws and behaviors that are not acceptable. And that's just, that's. That's the importance of making your children follow the rules when they are young, because it's. It's their life setting pattern that you're establishing there.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And it, it takes a lot of patience, a Lot of kindness, a lot of discipline. I had the original strong willed child, first one that really liked to push my buttons. And it, I lost my temper a lot, but I was also very firm. And she's, of course, has always been a, a beautiful adult. And you can't always do it to satisfy them. You have to satisfy the situation and do what's right for that. I had a phrase in my house that you can stay, but that behavior's gotta go.

[A]

That's good.

[C]

And I meant it.

[A]

And I meant it. I love the addition and I meant it. That's really good.

[B]

I'm pretty sure I used that too.

[A]

Yeah, I've heard that one. And I read it in Strong and Kind. Yeah, y' all wrote about it.

[D]

We've used that a time or two. And I, I see, I see y' all doing that too. I, you know, I see Mary Kate with the kids too. She'll, she'll say, look, you can stay here with us or you can just go back in your room.

[A]

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[E]

Hello, ladies. My name is Faith and I'm currently a college freshman. As crazy as this important sound, I would love to hear some advice over what to do when you've been ghosted by a four year situationship. And how do you move on knowing that there's a chance that I may never get closure from the guy who decided to go ghost. Thank you so much.

[B]

Wow, a four year situation.

[A]

Have you ever heard of situationship?

[D]

Have you ever heard of ghost?

[C]

Never heard that phrase, but I think it all means the same thing.

[A]

Yeah, ghosted situationship. Oh, man. Memo. It was funny before we started this, this, you listen to some of the voicemails and mama said I'm going to have to really go back in time to try to remember. And I said, well, one encouraging thing is you could tell people you won't remember, you know, after some of these things that feel so big in the moment, you know, once you do begin to move forward in life. Because I think, I mean, I'll, I'll go first just because I feel like I'm a little bit closer to the time gap of where you're at. And your life friend who sent in this voicemail, I think like those things feel so hard and you think, how am I ever going to get over it? How am I ever going to not think about it? And there are some things in life that happen, like with a guy or you dated somebody and you think, there's never going to be a day where I don't think of this person. There's never going to be a day when I'm not thinking about this. And it's so crazy that there will be a day that you won't think about it. I mean, I think about those things in my life that I thought I'll never get over. I'll never not think about it every day. And I haven't thought about it in 10 years because, you know, life goes on and you know, that relationship, that situationship, I mean, it clearly wasn't a good thing. It was someone who didn't guard your heart, treasure your heart. It was someone who wasn't putting you first. They weren't caring about your emotional state. It wasn't even a thing you call a relationship, it was a situationship and so it was certainly not worth staying in. And so although, so yeah, it's gonna play on replay because it's someone you thought about every day and you probably spent a lot of like emotional toll waiting for him to text you or waiting for him to call you. And you'll probably had some really good moments too. It pales in comparison to hopefully the person that you're really waiting for that you know, is a godly relationship that's going to commit to you, that's going to pursue you, that's going to leave you with clarity and not confusion. And once you, you meet that person, you will not be thinking about the four year situationship and you'll be able to move forward with that. But I do encourage you before you even meet that person, try to just give those thoughts to the Lord. One of the things that I think about a lot is they say if a song stuck in your head to like get through the whole song, like sing the song all the way to the end. So that way it's not just on a pattern in your head. And whenever I did my brain scan with Dr. Amen, he said, your mind is on a lone, like it just loops and loops and loops and seeing that was really helpful because I thought, oh, this is kind of like a song being stuck in my head. It's just going to loop until I kind of like get to the end of it. And so for me, if I find myself in a loop pattern in my mind, it's like, okay, Lord, help me get to the end of this. And sometimes the end of it is saying, okay, I might never get the closure in him, but I want to get that closure in you, Lord. So God, right here, right now, would you meet me with peace? Fill me with everything that I need to move forward. You know, help me to see the things that are right in front of my eyes and actually like take the thought captive and turn it into something new. That's very helpful. But yeah, you might never get that clarity from him. And that's okay. You just have to keep moving forward. He doesn't seem like the guy that's going to give clarity.

[B]

Yeah, if I could sing, I would sing that Garth Brooks song. Sometimes I thank God for unanswered prayers. I think about that song all the time because I think that is, it's such a. The lyrics to that are so good. It's like, come on, one day. No, you don't want that for real. One day you will look back. But if you could just have that perspective now and say, like, God, I know that one day I'm going to thank you for the prayers that I didn't answer, that you didn't answer in the way that I thought, you know, that I thought they should be answered. Because that truly. And it's about real relationship. It's like he comes back and he sees, like his old girlfriend that he thought was like the one or something like that. And then he's married and happy and he's like, oh, thank God that he didn't answer the prayers in the way that I want him to answer them. So I think that perspective of trusting, just trusting God, that he's got this and that he's in control of this and you. And I think closure sometimes can be. Yeah, it's, it's. It sounds really nice, but generally it. If when the relationship ends that way, it's not. It's not going to be what you thought. Like, you, you might go have that conversation and then you're more upset, you might be more upset, you might hear things that you wish you didn't even know. And then you got resolve, all those things. So if you can just find that closure within yourself between you and the Lord, you're going to be better off.

[A]

I think that's great.

[C]

That's right. Exactly.

[A]

It's good.

[D]

Well, I think Sadie gave such a great answer, there really is hardly anything left to say. Although Corey found some things, and then I'm going to find some things. But here's a thought. Because I was a super shy child growing up, super shy, went through those middle school years like a lot of kids with not thinking that highly of myself, that kind of thing. But I had a mom who was that loving leader that taught us to think, to respect ourselves and think more highly of ourselves. So I think in a situation like this, too, you need to say, okay, wait, there's something better for me, and I am better. I deserve better than that. And so that person really shouldn't have any, any bearing on you. Whatever they're going through, whatever they've done, even though, yes, it affects you because you wanted that relationship, but at the same time, think of yourself more high than that. No, there's something out there, way better than whatever that situation was going on. And be strong in who you are and who you're going to let into your life and to be a part of your life.

[A]

That's really good.

[B]

Good.

[A]

That is so good. More people need to find that confidence in themselves to Go. I am worth so much more than a four year situationship. Like, right. Somebody is going to commit to a relationship with me because that's what you're worth. So I love that. That's great.

[C]

And it's good to think that it's a good thing this happened now.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Rather than when we had children and many more people involved in the situation. So this is a good thing to think about before.

[A]

Yeah, that's really good. Love it. All right, next.

[E]

Hi, Sadie. My name's Gabrielle. It's kind of a heavy hitter. I was just wondering how you are sure that you have heard God. I just had an experience that I really attributed to God and I was really kind of sure that I had seen him work in my life and come to find out it was not. I've been a Christian for a really long time. I am going to a great Bible believing Bible preaching tribe, church. And I feel like I know it in my head, but I don't get it yet in my heart about how to really, really hear from him about day to day life stuff that's not necessarily in the Bible, even though it is in the Bible, but it's a gray area. I would love to hear your advice on that. Thank you.

[A]

It's good. I feel like we're all gonna have such different answers probably. I mean, not really like it's the same, but I would be interested to hear everybody's perspective on this.

[B]

Initially. I just think about that Mother Teresa quote that I. She says, like I've never had clarity. What I've had is faith. And it's that like I just, I trust in God. I know he's good, I know his promises are true. I may not have the clarity of understanding everything about how he works or how he speaks to me or how. But I trust him and I want his will for my life, not mine. And so if what I thought was his will for my life didn't come, then I trust him that his will is different. And I. And I trust him in that. So I think for me that's kind of how I try to live is, is yes, you know, listen to the Lord and have relationship with him and walk in in him, but just live with trust rather than trying to always figure out the signs or the clarity or the that. Because that can make you actually crazy. And I think I see that a lot with this generation. It's like, like trying to figure out all the signs or what he said or what the Lord said or what he's trying to do or he told me this or it, it leads to kind of more confusion, I think.

[A]

So I agree. I, I'll say this is interesting because I'm going to kind of go around this for a second, but I was talking to a friend this week because she, you know, had a crush on this guy. And this has kind of been a pattern where it's like, like, it's like all these signs happen and it's like this happened and that happened and then. And this is how I know. And this is. And then, and then it ends up not being a good thing, you know, and then it's like so devastating because all these signs were saying that like this is going to be her husband. And then it's like that he's just not a good person, period. You know, Whereas there's this other guy in her life who's been a friend to her for a very, very long time. And I said, you know, what about him? And she's like, oh, no, no, no, no. And I said, why you. All of the qualities for like a good husband, you know, and it's like, well, there's this and there's that and it's really just day to day stuff. And I said, oh, that'd be something I'd get mad at Christian for. That'd be something Christian would get mad at me for. That's just life as. I really think this would be a good option. But I was thinking about that at our faith, that a lot of times we see God like that exciting boy. It's like, I want all the signs, I want all this blah, blah, blah. And it's like you start chasing the signs and you get away from the relationship. Whereas the, the day to day relationship might not be as giddy and as exciting, but like, that's just life. And that, that's who you have like years with, that's who you've walked with. That's who you know, who knows you, who you can trust. So yeah, there's highs and lows, there's ups and downs, there's frustrations, but it's just life. And I think with God, it's not just signs. Like, he's your father, he's your friend, he's your savior. Like it's, it's a relationship. And so there are going to be really good times and they're going to be really hard times. And it doesn't mean God's not good. In the really good times and the really hard times, he's faithful and his characteristics stay the same. Although your life Changes, you know, And I just think about, like, the past couple months we've been through, and we've had, like, so many ups and downs. Like, two. Alma said your life is like feast or famine right now. It's either like, the most exciting thing or, like, the hardest thing. But, like, God's been faithful, you know, through it all. And do I say, like, oh, God's not in it because it's bad? No, like, God's still in it even though it's bad and he's still good. So I think, look at it like that. Like, don't get too lost in the signs of things, because that will make you confused. Because I used to do that, like, kind of chase the signs and it brings you confusion instead of just like, literally just walking with him day to day. 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[D]

that makes sense because I think sometimes it's none of those, like I'm. One of the very amazing cool things that we're seeing in this Y generation is this relationship with God. And we in our generation didn't grow up with that verbiage. Like we didn't say I have a relationship with God. We were Christians and we acted that out every day and how we, how we lived our life and we were good people and we went to church and we took care of the sick and the poor and all, all of those kind of things. But I think in some of this newer seeking this relationship, which is awesome, and we are doing that too now we've learned from you guys, is that that worry that am I pleasing him all the time? Is this the way he wants me to go? Am I taking this step right? Is that the college I should go? Should I move here? Where does God want me? And my answer to all that is God wants you to love him and love others. And that's pretty much it. Where you go to college, do that, the job you decide to do, do that. You know, are you a stay at home mom? Do that. You know, act like God wants you to act. And don't worry so much that there's a specific thing because there's not. There's not a specific thing or way that God wants you to go. And if you don't go that, oh, whoops, sorry. God's up there. Like, man, I really wanted her to take that path. He's not doing that.

[A]

You're not gonna mess it up.

[D]

He wants you to love him, love others.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

You're not gonna mess it up and you're not gonna miss it.

[D]

You're not gonna miss it.

[A]

I love that you said. I was just telling a friend that she has a fear of flying. And she was like, literally to the point of like, what if I get on the wrong plane? And God wanted me. And I was like, God won't let.

[B]

Let you.

[A]

Like, he won't let you. Like, there have been so many times I've shown up to the airport fully intending to go somewhere and the flight's just canceled and I'm like, well, not going. And it's like, I don't know that it's God telling me or anything. It's just like, I can't go, you know, so it's like, I just don't go. And so you just have to trust that he really is going to lead you and that he's got you and that you are not powerful enough to mess it up and really do take it back to the simplicity of love God, love people. That's what Jesus said. Can sum up the entire law of all the to dos is you love God and you love people and you're going to be doing it right.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

One of the things that you said to Katie, I don't know, it's Katie been on this podcast? No. That's why Katie needs to be on the podcast. Anyway, one time she said that she was like asking a bunch of questions about, about why, why, you know, why did this happen? Why? And mom said, we don't know all the whys. And it was so good for her. She needed to hear that. And so we say that somet now if like you start doing it, we're like, we don't know all the wise. Like, we don't. Like, we don't. We're not gonna know them. And the more we try to. Sometimes the more we try to like, search them and know all the whys, the more anxiety it can produce, the more anger at God it can produce. Because we're like, God, why? Why, why? And you know, we're not always meant to know all the whys. The other thing I was thinking about, just like our brains, if you notice this, about like, if you decide you want to buy a white minivan you will see white minivans everywhere. Like, notice those things. Like, if you think, okay, I want to. Like, I'm kind of thinking about, like, you know, getting some Adidas shoes. Everyone will. All the center, which they do, but you'll notice them. And that's part of my Bob.

[A]

Everyone all of a sudden. All of a sudden.

[B]

But then you're like, well, not actually everyone has a Bob, but you notice everyone with a Bob. And so that is part of our brains are kind of just meant to be notice patterns or things that we want. And so I think if you can think about that, that in a small thing, you can realize like, oh, I might just be doing that in a big thing as well. Like, I might be looking for all the signs that I want, that I want, that I think are the signs that are leading me to the thing that I want rather than truly the thing that is what's best for me.

[A]

Really good.

[C]

Yep. Well, it's. It's so simple to me because it's. All the goodness in this world is from God. The bad stuff is the world. God is there to get you through it and to take you through making it help you making good decisions based on your love and faith in Him. And that's just what guides me.

[D]

It's not.

[C]

Not signs that I might look for because my brain tells me to check out all those white vans and which one I look good in that kind of thing.

[A]

That's really good.

[C]

You just have to remember that he's there for you to get you through what you're facing and whatever that is in the world.

[A]

It's really good. It makes me think of, we're reading the Bible recap right now. Said the Bible recap. Last time I said it wrong on the podcast, Terry, they were like, you said it wrong every single time. I said the Bible project was our. And Bible project is good too. We're on this day. We're literally.

[B]

We're on time.

[A]

I'm proud of us and for anyone else doing it.

[B]

And we're still, still dragging, but we're

[A]

going through David's life. And one of the coolest things about how they did the plan is you're reading, you know, 1st and 2nd Samuel alongside of the psalms that he was like, writing when he was going through these things. And it's very helpful in. In this question, really, like, how to go about your day to day with the Lord. Because David's prayer life was like, so intentional and intense and like he was asking the Lord to just do the Impossible, but also just the, the simple. He was just asking the Lord for everything.

[B]

And sometimes he was high. He was like, lord, I'm doing the right thing. I'm following you. And the other towns are like, I'm the worst of the worst.

[A]

I can't stop sinning, I can't. How do I do this? And, and then God just had him and got him through it. And he was just so faithful in the life of David. And like you just really get to see that mirrored through the prayer life and through his actions. And so that's a good study if you're, if you're just kind of learning how to walk with God, go read David's psalms and his life. And that's a really good example. I think that's why we have that. The Lord showing us, this is how, how you walk with me. This is a man after my heart, you know. And so that's been really helpful. Next. Starting a new business can be so exciting, but it can also be legit scary because suddenly you're trying to figure out all the things. But thankfully I had people in my corner who made me feel super supported, encouraged and a little less overwhelmed. And that's the thing. Having the right partners helping carry the load can be such a game changer when you're starting out. For millions of businesses, that partner is Shopify. With Shopify, you can build a beautiful online store with ready to use templates that match your brand. Plus Shopify's AI tools can help with product descriptions, website content and polished looking photos. Shopify keeps all the important stuff in one place. Inventory, payments, shipping, returns so you're not bouncing between a million different tools trying to figure out what's next and when you need help. Shopify has award winning 24. 7 customer support support. So you never have to do it alone. When you're starting a business, there's a million things that you probably haven't thought about until you're in the game. They have so many helpful tools as far as 24. 7 help. They have all of these things with AI. Like this is definitely the way to go to feel a little less overwhelmed. We use this with Ello, which is such a win. So start your business today with the industry's best business partner, Shopify and start hearing. Sign up for your $1 per month trial today at shopify.com Whoa. Go to shopify.com Whoa again, that's shopify.com shop/whoa.

[E]

Hey, Sadie and June. My name is Krista. First of all, I just want to say I adore this podcast, and I'm absolutely obsessed. But my question is, as someone who is highly introverted and is super shy and can be really socially awkward, how could someone like me use the right words and talk about their faith and their relationship with God? I've been craving to grow closer with him and really want to talk to someone other than my immediate family, but I'm so intimidated by not saying the right thing. Thank you for listening, and may the Lord be with you.

[A]

God bless Sweet, too. Mama, this is you.

[D]

That's kind of right up my alley with the shy personality. But here's what I tell myself. There are introverted people in the acting world world. Introverted people who are doctors, introverted people who are tellers at a bank, and. And all of them learn how to operate inside their giftedness and then also outside of it. So those people who have an introverted personality like me, and they're a bank teller, they get. They do their job. They get it all done. At the end of the day, they just probably collapse and don't want to talk to anybody. They've talked to everybody they want to talk to in a day. But if you were wanting to share your faith with people and you have that introverted personality, I think you just have to do it. I mean, one of my favorite sayings is, do the thing you fear, and the fear of death is certain. Wait, the death of fear is certain? I'm sorry. Do the thing you fear, and the death of fear is certain.

[B]

That's good.

[D]

Yes. And so it is that example of the first time you jumped off a diving board and you were terrified, and you're like, I can't do it. And I think about Sweet honey, how she's so brave about things like that, but she'll be terrified for 30 minutes, and then she'll get there, and she's like, I'm gonna do it. You know? Well, when you do it one time, then you can do it again and again and again. So that's the same thing with our brains and our personality. We just have to do it one time, do it in front of two people, do it in front of a mirror, write it out, then have a little Bible study in your heart, home, have a few people over, keep doing it. For me, I wanted to be a school teacher, so I knew I had to figure that out to be able to speak in front of people. And so I did that. I did. I started small, worked my way up, and you can do it.

[A]

It's really good. Does that sound like, so good. And I think just knowing that everybody's scared, you know, like, someone said to me the other day, oh, I'm not doing that because I get really nervous to do it. I said, I get nervous to do everything I do.

[D]

Right?

[A]

But. And then people are like, you do? And. And I remember thinking that when other people who I thought would never get scared told me they get nervous, I'm like, you do? But everybody's human. And yes, personalities are different. Some people thrive more and, you know, are more extroverted or more confident in those areas. And some people are more introverted. So I'm not discrediting that, but I do think that it's. It's good to think how two Mamas Said Said. Everybody has to just kind of overcome that, you know, and everyone feels those insecurities and those fears. But the more you do it, the more confidence you gain. And so for me, even though I'm still scared to do some of the things that I do, it's. I have enough in the bank to go like, okay, I can do it again, you know, because God always comes through. Because on the other side of it, you always feel a certain way. I was actually just thinking about. I posted a video recently of me, like, crying. Crying in the kitchen a couple days before I spoke. And your comment on Facebook was the sweetest thing ever. It was so sweet, mama. But you were talking about, like, just how no one would ever think that. No one would even imagine, like, me crying in my kitchen on a Thursday. Like, you wouldn't even think about that. And you're like, but thank you for sharing it, because you're showing, like, authenticity and, like, teaching people you can do it. And so I think for you, as an intuition introvert to the listener, it's like, there's power in that. Like, you're gonna be an example to another introverted person one day who feels awkward, who feels like they can never say the right thing, go, well, she did it, and I can do it. And even how you said you only talk about to your immediate family, that's a great place to start. Talk about it to your immediate family. Like, open up with what you have, where you're at, and then start small. Like T Mama said, do a Bible study. Do this, do that. And don't try to act like you're not the introverted, awkward person person. Be the introverted, awkward person while you preach through the gospel, you know, because that's showing someone else they can do it.

[B]

One thing I was thinking about is that And I think it's okay to, like, admit and say that. But also, one thing that you guys, I think, taught me was, you know, accept a compliment. Someone says, like, oh, I like your outfit, just say thank you. You don't have to say like, oh, it's this and this, or I actually don't look good, or, you know, make

[A]

excuses, abuses, accept it.

[B]

And so I think. I guess that doesn't exactly, exactly have

[E]

to do with this.

[B]

But the way I'm thinking about it is this is like, I was just at an event where we accepted everyone. You know, there was like, awards given out, and almost every single person that got up and to accept their award said, I'm not very good at this. And they. They took their first 15 seconds of their time up there talk about how they're not good at this. And I was like, you don't need to say that. Just go. And I think you guys taught me that, like, even though I might feel insecure, I don't have to say that every time. Like, actually, I'm not very good at this. I need to. I don't really know what I'm doing because, you know, you're speaking that over yourself when you're saying that, rather than speaking of yourself like, God's got this. I can do this. I have confidence because of him in me, and I'm gonna go do it. So part of it, I think, is what you speak over yourself. The more you tell yourself, I'm shy, I'm introverted, I'm awkward, I can't do this. I don't know the more you are going to be that way. But if you can kind of shift that in your brain and saying, like, hey, God's got this. I'm going to learn how to do this, or I'm going to do it scared. And then don't make apologies every single time, you know, because honestly, you're kind of making it about yourself when you make apologies. Whenever you just go in and just be like, hey, I'm going to try something. And like I said, it's not about not being authentic or not being vulnerable, but there is something to the word. You speak of yourself over and over and over again. I think you guys kind of taught me that in saying, like, be confident, even if you don't feel it. You know, just accept it and. And move on.

[A]

It's great.

[D]

I love that, everything Corey said so much, because I do think we have a problem with this next generation, with this Instagram, all the social media, because of wanting to Be authentic. So in their effort to be authentic, they are confessing everything every day. And different from, you say, doing that in a one. That's just a one time thing. Just being truly authentic about it. And so I think Corey just really hit on something there. It's not about, be careful that you're not apologizing about who God made you to be, because God made you to be this way. And now when I do something even like the podcast now, now I've learned how to do this. But in my younger years and I did something outside of how I thought God made me, that's when I really knew God was working in me to create something better and different in me. Not that he's saying, oh, I'm gonna make her better, but God's always on this level of. And I was like this with my kids. I probably said it to them, I love you exactly like you are, but I want you to grow and develop and be all that you can be. And God is like that with us. He's made us. He made me an introvert, he made me show. But he loves, I think now that I'm able to lead a camp and do a podcast and do things that I do. So he's up there in heaven saying, go. And he's cheering all of us on. So if you've got that personality, God's up there cheering you on. You can do this. You don't have to apologize for who you are. This is who you are. Go out there and just tell the world what you want to tell them in your personality.

[A]

That's great. It's so good. And that's true throughout all of script scripture. Moses was like, I have a speech impediment. I can't do this. And God's like, but look at the bigger picture. You were raised in the house of Pharaoh. You know, this is not what God said. This is what if you read it, it's like, this is so much bigger than your speech impediment, you know? And then you think about Peter and he's like, I'm just a fisherman, but I'm gonna make you a fisherman. And then it's like, Paul saw it and Paul and all these people, like, they all.

[D]

But it's Esther, I just don't know if I can do that. And God said, hey, you know, for such a time as this, all of it, you're the one who's going to do it.

[A]

And I was telling someone that the other day because they felt called to something bigger than who they Were. Which we all do. And it just was intimidating them. And I said, here's the. Here's the thing. I'm like, every single person in the Bible, like, probably felt how you felt, and they became a story in the Bible because they did it anyways and they trusted the Lord in it. And I was like, but also, it's good to know you don't have to do that. Like, I was like, you can say no to that, and God still loves you and he's still for you, but you get to say yes to it. Like, he's inviting you into it. So I think that goes back to the light. Don't overthink it. Like, God's still with you. He's so patient with us. He's so kind. He gets our humanity, but he invites us into things bigger, you know, and. And he's always going to give you the strength whenever you step into those things. Like, when you are weak, then you are strong. That's really, actually true. And it's an amazing thing to get to experience that. It's hard to experience it because you genuinely feel super weak, but then it's really cool when you actually do feel super strong within your weakness. And no, I totally, totally agree on the Instagram note and the authenticity. It's hard. I mean, even we just had this vulnerable podcast recently, and everybody's, you know, saying, well, you know, you. You were vague on this, and you should have said that. And then this. I'm like, that's not everybody's to know, you know, like, all of us. Like, there's a. There's an aspect to authenticity and vulnerability that's powerful. But then there's also a point where it goes that's just too much, you know, And I think it's just discerning those things that's important. But this has been fantastic, y'. All. I love it. We're going to have to do this way more often. What if y' all take up all the top 10 podcasts of the year? But seriously, thank you for coming back on the podcast and answering so many voicemails and. Well, I think we have a lot more to get to, so we'll have to do a part two. But thank y'.

[B]

All.

[C]

Thank you for having us.

[D]

Absolutely.