What Phil & Miss Kay Robertson Taught All of Us | Korie, Lisa, Missy & Jessica

Summary

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Episode: What Phil & Miss Kay Robertson Taught All of Us | Korie, Lisa, Missy & Jessica

Host: Sadie Robertson Huff
Guests: Korie Robertson, Lisa Robertson, Missy Robertson, Jessica Robertson
Date: September 15, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this heartfelt family roundtable, Sadie Robertson Huff brings together her fellow “Robertson wives”—Korie, Lisa, Missy, and Jessica—for a candid conversation about the life lessons learned from Phil and Miss Kay Robertson, their experiences in parenting and marriage, and the wisdom they hope to pass on. The episode is filled with humor, personal stories, and practical advice, especially on the power of grace, forgiveness, and building authentic family relationships.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Timeless Advice on Marriage & Parenting

(02:00–12:35)

• Forgiveness as a Foundation in Marriage

  • Lisa: “Start with the small things. If you can forgive the small things, the bigger things are easier to forgive. We all make mistakes and we’re all going to hurt one another...” (03:10)
  • Missy: “My thought was grace ...to overlook a lot of the little stuff and just kind of let it roll off your back.” (05:27)
  • Kay: “Once we started loving each other and knowing that we needed Grace just as much as he needs Grace, we learned we were on the same team, and that was a pivotal point in our marriage.” (10:18)

• Building Friendship with Adult Children

  • Lisa: “Work to have a good relationship with your children...so that whenever they are grown... you have that [foundation]... not just a relationship, a friendship that they want to be friends with you, that they want to spend time with you.” (03:43)
  • Missy: “I did not know that [parenting adult children and being a grandparent] could get this good...and it goes back to being friends.” (07:27)

• Grace and Owning Your Mistakes as a Parent

  • Kay: “Being able to say I’m sorry, right, even to your kids...That really helps in life with marriage, friendships, your children...” (11:20)

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2. The Joys and Surprises of Grandparenting

(08:38–11:20)

• All speakers express the unexpected depth of grandparenting joy—something that can't be explained until experienced. Lisa shares she became a grandmother at 39.
• Jessica reflects: “I always, like, knew I’d love being a grandma...but until you experience it, you don’t understand.” (08:45)
• Missy adds: “No one can ever tell you or explain it to you until you actually live it out.” (08:31)

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3. Lisa’s Gift of Practical Love

(15:11–18:27)

• Jessica and Missy share touching personal stories about how Lisa “jumps in” to help in deeply practical ways during life’s tough moments.
  • Missy: “Lisa gets me up out of the hospital bed and takes me into the shower...It was just, let's go do this...That takes a special skill to do that, to just go in, see a need...And I think that's wonderful.” (15:53–17:20)
  • Jessica: “After John Luke was born, you helped me into my first shower...” (17:20)
• Lisa: “That’s what love is. Love just does. You don’t have to have a reason why...you see it and it’s, ‘I’m going to do it because I love this person and they need it.’” (18:13)

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4. Learning from Miss Kay: Marriage, Loyalty, and Flirting

(18:27–24:07)

• Kay’s Loyalty & Advice

  • Jessica: “She was one of the first people I called and said, this Jep’s acting like a turd. This is what he did. And she backed me. Every time she stood up for me, she was in my corner...that was such a comfort...” (18:50)
  • Lisa: “She told me...‘I’m married to a Robertson, so I know what you’re going through, so you can always call me.’” (20:21)

• Modeling Fun & Affection in Marriage

  • Jessica: “They would still tickle each other and pinch each other on the butt and kiss each other in front of us. And that was something we wanted to obviously have in our marriage...” (19:39)

• Valuing Your Spouse’s Strengths

  • Jessica: “One of the things I think Kay was always really good at is valuing what Phil was good at rather than looking at the things he was not good at...she loved that Phil was a good hunter and a good provider...” (22:39)

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5. Handling Different Expectations & “Robertson Wife Mold”

(24:07–36:29)

• Expectations in Marriage

  • Lisa: “When we go into marriage, we go in with these expectations...sometimes those expectations are too high... You just gotta come up with what that is. But you have to ask the question. You have to have communication.” (25:52)

• Asking for What You Need

  • Jessica shares the story of Kay asking Phil for love notes: “She knew she needed something, and so she asked for it...She said, ‘write it for me.’” (27:35)
  • Missy: “Keep all those little notes, too, because she has them...all over her Windowsill and on the refrigerator.” (28:17)

• Breaking the Stereotype: “Robertson Wife Mold”

  • Jessica: “I’m so grateful that Willie values what I’m good at rather than tried to make me fit into a Robertson wife mold. Because that could have gone very wrong.” (30:48)
  • All agree they’re different and it’s important to honor that individuality.
  • Humor about being labeled the “yuppie girls” by Phil, and the differences in upbringing. (33:08–35:07)

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6. Life Updates & Reflections

(37:12–53:35)

Lisa:

• Now a grandmother of seven, splits time between West Monroe and Gulf Shores, sells real estate, and continues to travel with Al speaking on marriage and faith topics.
  • “To me, the best part of that is whenever I come back home and...my grandkids are so excited to see me...That they’re so enthusiastic about Mama Pap...” (38:05)

Missy:

• Children in various seasons, some facing real struggles; emphasis on parenting adult children with transparency, mentoring, and faith.
  • “They’re calling us and they’re being transparent, and they’re saying, what would you do in this situation? ...now we’re friends and mentors, and they feel comfortable calling us.” (42:11)
  • “We grow so much spiritually through difficulty and challenges...” (43:39)
  • “You gotta let them make their own mistakes because it makes them better people.” (46:04)

Jessica:

• Recent new grandmother, still raising younger kids, navigating family changes and unexpected blessings.
  • “I am a new grandma, so that has been probably the biggest life change...We also have a 9 year old still at home, and also River, who is homeschooling through high school. And so I have this huge range…” (47:03)
  • Shares the story of her daughter Priscilla’s unexpected pregnancy and how the family surrounded her with grace and support:
    • “It was really just like, we need some counseling on how to approach this and with grace and mercy and love.” (48:51)
    • “Every child is worth celebrating.” (50:45)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Grace in Marriage:
  • “Once we got on the same team, I felt like it was so much easier. And obviously, we all need grace and we all need forgiveness on the daily...”
    —Kay (10:18)
• On Parenting Adult Children:
  • “If your friends too soon when they're growing up, that was never my goal...But now I've heard Mia say that. I've heard Reed say that ...and so that's amazing...”
    —Missy (07:27)
• On Navigating Expectations:
  • “Expectations are one of the things that can kill a relationship…You have to have communication.”
    —Lisa (25:52)
• On Learning from Miss Kay:
  • “She was always in all of our corners whenever we would call is because she's like, hey, I know. I'm married to one myself.”
    —Lisa (20:21)
• On Life’s Surprises:
  • “If you would have said, I'm going to have three grandbabies in one year, I would have said, you're crazy. But obviously, we're so, so grateful. And God's plan is always the right plan.”
    —Jessica (51:36)
• On Grandparenting:
  • “No one can ever tell you or explain it to you until you actually live it out.”
    —Missy (08:31)

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Important Timestamps

• (02:00–12:35): Each guest shares their best advice for marriage and parenting
• (15:53–18:27): Stories about Lisa’s ways of loving practical help
• (18:50–24:07): Influences from Miss Kay on their marriages
• (25:52–28:17): Navigating expectations and communication
• (30:45–36:29): Breaking the “Robertson Wife Mold”
• (37:12–53:35): Life updates from Lisa, Missy, Jessica
• (45:51–46:40): Missy on Mia’s struggles and spiritual growth (“...she would not be who she is without going through 16 surgeries...”)

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Tone & Takeaways

This episode is candid, warm, and steeped in the faith-first, “real-life” orientation that characterizes the Robertson family. Listeners will find actionable wisdom on how grace, forgiveness, and humility are keys to healthy marriages and parenting. By sharing stories—sometimes humorous, sometimes vulnerable—each guest models how to honor family heritage but remain authentic to one’s own style. The women’s reflections on Miss Kay and Phil’s example reinforce the value of loyalty, affection, and supporting one another through life’s “expected” and totally unexpected turns.

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Recommended For:
Anyone looking for encouragement in marriage, parenting, or embracing their own journey in a faith-filled, family-first way—plus fans of Duck Dynasty curious about the Robertson women’s lives today.

Transcript

[Sadie]

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[Jessica]

Hey there. Welcome to wo. That's good. I hope your week gets off to a great start. We're about to have a really great day. I am so excited to welcome to the podcast my sister in laws, Lisa, Missy Jessica. Welcome to what? It's good. Have we ever done this where we've all been on here?

[Lisa]

No, I don't think so.

[Jessica]

This is so fun. So fun. So I've been really excited about having this conversation and just getting to hear more about everything that's going on in everybody's lives. Getting to share more with the audience. That's been the main question is like what's happening with everyone's lives lately? So we want to get some updates but before we do that on this podcast, one of the things that. The reason Sadie even started this podcast is how much she's learned from other people and women and in her life, just life advice. And so we put out for questions to the audience of, like, what do you want to know? And overwhelmingly, the questions were about parenting and marriage. So I know all of you guys have a lot of experience in both parenting and marriage. There's a lot of kids.

[Missy]

What age does.

[Jessica]

Yeah, there's a lot of kids among us, and there's a lot of years of marriage among us. So let's just first start with that. If you could give this, like, your best piece of advice in marriage and your best piece of advice in parenting. No, no big deal here. But just. Or something. Something that would. Would help the audience in those things. Lisa, do you want to start?

[Lisa]

Sure. So I would say that my best piece of marriage advice would be forgiveness, to start with the small things. Because if you can forgive the small things, then whenever the big things come, it's a lot easier to forgive those. We all make mistakes, and we're all going to hurt one another. And so I just think that forgiveness is probably one of the most important things that Al and I have in our marriage.

[Jessica]

That's good.

[Lisa]

And then parenting advice, I don't know, because I got grandkids now, and now I've got married grandkids. So I would say to that part, probably to work to have a good relationship with your children when they're small, when they're teenagers, when they're young adults, so that whenever they are grown and out of the house, then you have that relationship, that. That godly, but. But not just. Not just a relationship, a friendship that they want to be friends with you, that they want to spend time with you. And whenever we're home, I mean, our kids are at our house, our grandkids are at our house. We gave away our big house to our daughter, and we moved into a small house because we thought, well, all the activity will go on at my daughter's house. Nope, they're all at the small house. But I love that because then we have that relationship with them and not so much to, you know, to teach them anymore, but now just to be an example for them and their relationship with their spouse, but also how to train their children.

[Jessica]

That's so good. I love the way you put that relationship, because I think that, you know, always think about how our relationship with our kids is teaching them about their relationship with God. Like, we're the first example of kind of that father, mother relationship. And if you think about that's what we want, our relationship with God. Is it to be a relationship? It's relational. It's not friendship. Yeah, I love that. So good. All right, missy.

[Missy]

Okay, so a little along the lines of what Lisa said about forgiveness. But my thought was grace to overlook a lot of the little stuff and just kind of let it roll off your back. Because Jace has the big stuff down. He is treating people well. He is treating people with kindness. He is giving forgiveness, he is giving grace, you know, but sometimes those little day to day things, you know, I mean, people know. Jace and I have been told by a very good friend of mine that I'm a no nonsense gal because she says she's total nonsense. So we're like exactly the opposite, but we get along great. So I'm like, okay, I'm kind of looking at myself like that. Like, I don't really put up with a lot of nonsense. Jace can be nonsensical a lot. Really.

[Jessica]

Let's just get real here.

[Missy]

So I think it's just that whole like, grace thing. And there's been a few times that I've had to learn that because he will just say things out loud all of the time and like ask questions all day long. And once a few years ago, I was like, I do not have time to fix all. Answer all of your questions all day long. I do not understand why you're asking me. I'm like a walking Google or something. And he was like, oh, I'm not asking you. I'm just like saying stuff out loud. It's just my thoughts out loud. So I'm like, this is good information.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Missy]

I just don't answer anything. He just starts asking questions. So a lot of that is just grace, you know, because he gives me a lot of grace as well. And. And we. And we've worked that for 35 years. 35 years this year. So. And we have a new season. It's. It's empty. Nesting. You know, Mia's senior year, we had a baby drop from the sky. So that kind of interrupted that. But it's. It's a lot of time alone together. Got to make it work.

[Jessica]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Missy]

And then parenting. I love the stage of parenting. I'm in. I did not know that it could get this good. And it goes back to being friends. What Lisa said, being friends with your adult children and that doesn't just happen. And if your friends too soon when they're growing up, that was Never my goal. I can honestly say that none of my children growing up ever said, my mom is my best friend. No, I was not. And that was never my goal. But now I've heard Mia say that. I've heard Reed say that, and even about their dad as well, and Karina, and so that's amazing, being able to, you know, listen to their questions, give the advice, be friends. Mia calls and vents to me, you know, about girl drama at school, so. And really wants to know my opinion about stuff. So. I love the stage that I'm in and the grandparenting stage. There is nothing better.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Missy]

No one can ever tell you or explain it to you until you actually live it out.

[Jessica]

That's so true.

[Missy]

Awesome.

[Jessica]

Yeah. So true. How great is it that we're all grandparents? That's right. That's crazy.

[Sadie]

We're all grandmas.

[Jessica]

It really is. It's just the best. It really is the best life. And I always, like, knew I'd love being a grandma. I feel the same way, but until you experience it, you don't understand.

[Missy]

We could try to explain it this whole entire hour, and it will not do it justice.

[Lisa]

And I was a grandmother at 39.

[Kay]

Wow.

[Lisa]

Yeah. I mean, you know, a lot of people have babies in their 30s and late 30s and sometimes into the 40s, but nope. I had my. My grandkids at 39, so it's so much fun. It is. I love it.

[Jessica]

I was sitting, talking with my grandmother, who's 94. I had went over and had coffee with her the day and was just thinking about how I'm 51. I have, like, 43 years left to get there. I have so much time and watching. She was there to see Sadie, you know, had Kit just recently, and I was like, that's me getting to see Honey have her baby. But not just that. I think it's Honey's baby.

[Missy]

Having her baby, her third baby.

[Jessica]

Isn't that crazy for a third baby? Yes. I'm like, what a gift. I mean, God, if I get to live that long, how amazing would that be? It just feels like such a gift.

[Lisa]

So I think you will. You've got great genes.

[Missy]

Well, we have eternity anyway.

[Kay]

That's right.

[Lisa]

That's right.

[Missy]

I mean, we're talking last night or yesterday at the shower about, you know, I hope. I just want to remember everything. We will.

[Jessica]

Yeah, we will.

[Missy]

We're going to be able to remember every single funny thing all of our kids said. All of our grandkids said all of that. It's just that's what eternity is. It's going to be amazing.

[Jessica]

That's the best. All right. I love it, Jessica.

[Kay]

So when Lisa started, I was thinking grace and forgiveness, obviously, I feel like that's really a key in marriage. And I think that one time, I mean, I would say people say that the first year is a struggle, but I said the first seven years was a struggle. And Lysa can attest to that because we would to her and Al many times for counseling. But I just remember, you know, there was a moment in our marriage that was really tough. And I remember once we started loving each other and knowing that we needed Grace just as much as he needs Grace, we learned we were on the same team, and that was a pivotal point in our marriage where we were like, I'm on your team. I'm on your side. And once we, you know, at first you're like, oh, you're nitpicking every little thing. But once we got on the same team, I felt like it was so much easier. And obviously, we all need grace and we all need forgiveness on the daily, you know, so that was something I feel like in our marriage that, you know, once we realize my husband is rooting for me. Yeah, that helped me, you know, get through and show grace and show forgiveness when. When there was some tough times, you know, and I think parenting, oh, goodness. I. I know that for me, and I feel like everybody does it differently, and I think for me, it's, you know, know that we're not perfect. And being able to say I'm sorry, right. Even to your kids, raise them to know, like, hey, I. I fall short, too. And so that was something I've always done, is like, if I lose it, my cool with them, like, own up to it and say, look, I'm sorry. And to raise my kids to know, like, it's okay, it's okay, you're going to make mistakes. And when you can get to the point where you could say you're sorry and humble yourself, that really helps in life with marriage, friendships, your children. But, yeah, and just not put too much pressure. There's so many different ways, right? From, are you going to nurse or are you going to, you know, how are you. What shots are you going to give your kids? And, oh, are they on a sleep schedule? It's like encouraging moms, early moms, to be like, don't put too much pressure on yourself. And know there's a lot of ways to do this, and there's not one perfect way. And to just kind of show yourself some grace.

[Sadie]

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[Jessica]

That's so good. That's good. That's so okay. I feel like we could just end there and, like, people would get a lot out of it. That was so good. Everybody's advice. I love it.

[Missy]

And.

[Jessica]

And as you were talking about going to Lisa, I want to say that Lisa has been. Sadie and I were talking about that yesterday. She was like, lisa is such a gift to our family. Like, I know she is as the first. I don't want to say the oldest. I said the first sister in law, the first Robertson wife. You have been. Just meant so much to all of us. I know we've probably all gone to you and Alan for marriage advice and help and times when we were, like, at our lowest and needed something to, like, help get us through. So thank you for that, Lisa.

[Lisa]

Absolutely.

[Jessica]

And here we go. We're going to close.

[Kay]

You started tearing up now.

[Jessica]

You know what?

[Lisa]

The only way that I could do that is having that same struggle, myself and God healing that. That area of my life. And so for me, whenever he heals a certain area of my life, I'm like, okay, that's what I need to share. That's what I need to help other people with. Because, I mean, you just look out there and there's a lot of hopeless people out there. I mean, a lot of people in marriage that are hopeless. Just a lot of young adults that are just hopeless, you know. And so for me, if God's healed this particular area. Okay, let's talk about that. Then I'm going to bring that to the forefront because I know somebody else is struggling with that same thing.

[Jessica]

Yeah, that's so good.

[Missy]

I'm going to pile on a little bit. Lisa. Sorry. But you kind of just have a way of just jumping in when you see a need. And it reminded me when you said that, it reminded me of before. We were pregnant with Mia and I lost two babies, you know, and they had to surgically be removed. And it was devastating. Just emotional and waking up, you know, my mom may have been there once, I think, and another older lady from church. It was almost like deja vu. It was happening. It happened twice in a row within a few days. The next thing I know is Lisa, because I'm covered in blood from internal bleeding. And then it all came out in the surgery. It was just gross. And Lysa gets me up out of the hospital bed and takes me into the shower and just gives me a shower and I'm, you know, butt naked, you know, and it's like there was no inhibition. There was no, oh, do you want me to step it was just like, let's go do this. You need to get cleaned off. And I can't walk. I can't. I don't have any strength, you know? And I thought later, like, that takes a special skill to do that, to just go in, see a need. Because Jase is not thinking that way, you know? And even sometimes our closest relatives, moms are not thinking that way. And you're like, let's just do this. And I was. And you're right. I was so much better after being cleaned and fresh. But you just jump in there and do things like that. And I think that that's wonderful. Thank you. It's been a long time ago, but I will never forget it.

[Jessica]

That's so crazy because that just brought back the memory for me, too. After John Luke was born, you helped me into my first shower. I really knew that was a theme. It doesn't happen with me, but I.

[Missy]

Would feel really comfortable.

[Kay]

It's fine.

[Lisa]

I did it with my kids, too.

[Jessica]

So I remember that we were like us laughing because I looked down at my body and was like, this does not feel like my body. Well, you know, you're like, wait, this.

[Missy]

Is because of that. And because you did that. I was able to do that for Kay recently, in the last couple of years, because no one was doing that around her. I was like, let's just do this, Kay. And I'm like. I told her, I said, I don't care. You don't have to be embarrassed with me. You just need to get clean. And I can do it. I can do it for you.

[Jessica]

That's right.

[Missy]

But it helped me realize I shouldn't be embarrassed. This person needs this. And I'm going to step out of my comfort zone a little bit and help this person physically.

[Lisa]

And that's what love is. Yes, Love just does. It doesn't. You don't have to have a reason why. You know, it's just. You see it and it's. I'm going to do it because I love this person and they need it done.

[Jessica]

So. Yeah. So since you talked about Ms. K, let's go ahead. And that was one of the questions that was asked. It was like, what did Ms. K teach you about marriage within as by example or something that you remember that she said to you or whatever. So how has Ms. K impacted each of your marriages? Whoever wants to go first? Jessica, do you want to go first?

[Kay]

So early on, I realized Kay was on my team. She was somebody that I could go to. Most people were like, oh, don't go to your in laws about if you have marriage trouble. Right. She was one of the first ones besides Alan, Lisa. She was one of the first people I called and said, this Jep's acting like a turd. This is what he did.

[Missy]

Same, same.

[Kay]

And she backed me. Every time she stood up for me, she was in my cor. And it was just such a comfort because I've always said I was like, I have a special bond. I encourage my daughters that are married, and I want them to have that relationship because it is a gift. Like, I have a close relationship with Kay, and she's honestly one of my best friends. She's one I call over anything. And so that was one thing as far as just marriage, that she was always in my corner and I could go to her. And then also the flip side is just seeing her relationship with him, with Phil, just how they would still tickle each other and pinch each other on the butt and kiss each other in front of us. And that was something we wanted to obviously have in our marriage. We want not just to have stay married. Right. We wanted a good marriage. And it takes work, a lot of work. And being intentional. And that's something that Jeff and I, you know, I feel like we took after them. We still tickle and cuddle in front of our kids. And they know we love each other passionately.

[Jessica]

Yeah, that's so good. It's so important. I've heard people say that about that's such a gift you can give your kids for them to see that their mom and dad actually love each other. So good. I love it.

[Lisa]

And, you know, Kay did that. I think, you know, she was just that way because she said, look, she told me, you know, whenever we were first married, she was like, I'm married to a Robertson, so I know what you're going through, so you can always call me. And I think that's why she was always in all of our corners whenever we would call is because she's like, hey, I know. I'm married to one myself.

[Missy]

I mean, let's be honest. Look at Phil and look at all of his siblings. They. They are extremely different.

[Lisa]

Yeah, exactly.

[Missy]

I mean, they are eccentric in so many different ways. You know, I don't know another family like that, which, you know, lightning in a bottle. Hello. But that passes down through the generations, you know, and to hear the cousins talk about their parents, you know, and then Phil and Kay, and that's a gift to me because so many of the cousins are some of my favorite people on this planet. They're amazing. And Phil and Kay were a catalyst for even all of their families as well, being able to forgive Phil what Kay did, but with restrictions, like, I forgive you, but you're not moving back in until you fix things with yourself. I'm not going to put my boys at risk because of your choices.

[Lisa]

But I think she earned that respect because that whole family said, okay, you need to leave him. You need to get away from him. He's never going to change. And she didn't. She stuck with him. So she earned their respect by staying, you know, and so then her and Phil were able to be that example to the rest of them. And so I think that's why, you know, that so many of them look to Kay and Phil as being maybe not their parents, but, you know, just as close as their parents to them.

[Jessica]

I was thinking about as you were talking about them flirting with one another. I remember when I first started, like, you know, being around their family, the family and going to their house, they had like a sign on their bedroom door that was something about like, honeymooning in process or something like that. And I remember being like, they've been. Been married for, like, I don't know, at that point, 30 something years, and they were still honeymooning. And so they really did put a priority on that, but. And just made. Made it fun. And I also was thinking about one of the things I think Kay was always really good at is valuing what Phil was good at rather than looking at the things he was not good at. You know, like, there were. You could. I think you can do that with your spouse. And I've. I remember when I kind of came to that epiphany of, like, I can look at all the things like Willie doesn't do and be like, oh, those are things I want. Or I could look at the things he does really well and be like, oh, really value that. And I think Kay taught me that. She was so good at that. Like, she loved that Phil was a good hunter and a good provider and that he.

[Missy]

All those things that made pioneer man.

[Jessica]

He's a pioneer man. That's right. And rather than look at the things that he wasn't or didn't do, she looked at the things that he did well, and she loved that. And the things that he didn't. Like, he wasn't. He wasn't the guy that went on the beach vacation and laid on the beach with her. He didn't do that.

[Missy]

We're all very grateful for that.

[Jessica]

And she was happy about that. She was too. She was like, great, don't go on our beach vacation. I'll just enjoy it with my kids and love that rather than trying to make him fit into a mold that wasn't him. And I think that that was a, I saw that in her and that was a gift to me to be able to figure that out in our marriage as well.

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[Lisa]

I think that's a great piece of advice for Any young couple out there. Because when we go into marriage, we go in with these expectations, and sometimes those expectations are too high, you know, and you expect something, maybe because it was in your family, or maybe it's. You know, you watched another woman say, this is what it was in her family. But with every couple is its own dynamic, you know? And so we have. That's one of the things we have to do, is we have to figure out what is that dynamic between us. Because not every man like Phil, not every man is going to be the kind that writes you love letters, you know. And, you know, Phil told her one time, he said, I told you I loved you when I married you, and if it changes, I'll let you know. I mean, now he needed to be a little more. And he did.

[Missy]

He did.

[Lisa]

Over the years, he did. You know, But I think it's important whenever we go into marriage to figure out those things, because expectations are one of the things that can kill a relationship, you know, and kill a love that's in a relationship. Because, oh, well, my dad did this. So you're supposed to do this. It's different in everyone. You just gotta come up with what that is. But you have to ask the question. You have to have communication. And, you know, if you talk about it, then, you know, you can get to the bottom of what you're good at and what he's good at. And I just think that's one of the things we gotta do early in a marriage. Or, you know, if you didn't do it early and you're having problems, start there.

[Jessica]

Yeah. It might be expectations.

[Lisa]

That's right.

[Jessica]

Yeah. One of my favorite Phil and Kay stories is whenever Kay said to Phil, like, do you love me? And he said, yeah. And she said, well, write it down. And then he wrote it down, kay, I love you. And he wrote her that note, and she pinned it up. And I just thought, I think it's sweet on a lot of levels. And one, in that she knew she needed something, and so she asked for it. She was like. She didn't just, like, brood in. He never writes it down. He never writes me a letter. She said, write it for me.

[Lisa]

And she taped it to the headboard of their bed.

[Jessica]

You know, she asked for what she needed. And I think that's important as, like, wives and husbands both, like, ask for what you need. Don't just sit there and brood about it.

[Sadie]

You know, I've learned from her to.

[Missy]

Keep all those little notes, too, because she has them, you know, like, over her Windowsill and on the refrigerator. Refrigerator. And everywhere she's moving, they're taking. You know, packing them all up and taking them, because those are important. And when Phil. When Phil crossed over and everyone started coming into town and our houses started filling up with people and Mia. Mia and Karina, kind of their deal when we all get together is washing the dishes. I'll cook and whatever. They wash the dishes and they have their little time together. But the very first night after he died and people started coming in, we had our first meal at the house. And I looked over my kitchen sink, and there was a note from Mia pinned. Just a sticky note. Mom, I want you to be a mom this week and let me do the dishes every night. Just be a mom and a grandma. I was like, oh, my goodness. Because she knows that here we are, all these people. I don't want to cook every night. We're all having to deal with all the arrangements and then just the people. And. And it's a lot.

[Lisa]

It is.

[Missy]

Funeral week is a lot. And I didn't realize that because that's the closest person who's ever passed in my family, you know, crossed over. I'd like to say yeah, but I'm not thinking about the next meal until everyone's starting to look around for something to eat. And it's like, oh, my goodness.

[Lisa]

But, you know, another part of that was, you know, the church really wanted to. Really wanted to just come in and bring us all this stuff. And we had to tell them no, because the Robertsons don't eat other people's food. So it was really tough, and it was really hard to let people know, no, we're good. We all cook. We're all great. We're ready for this. We can handle this. We can handle people.

[Missy]

We let us bring us food.

[Lisa]

That's right.

[Missy]

And they know who they are. And they did do that. People are serving, but just those.

[Kay]

Those little.

[Missy]

I still have that note. Even though it kind of got wet a little bit. I was like, I gotta save this, because the older I get, the more I realize those little moments are really huge, and I want to remember them as long as I can.

[Jessica]

Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Well, since you talked about expectations, there was a question that I thought was a really interesting one and a good one. And it said, did you ever not feel like you fit into the Robertson wife mold?

[Missy]

I thought, what? Is that right?

[Jessica]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Lisa]

What is the Robertson wife mold?

[Jessica]

Thinking about that and, like, what I was talking about K. Valuing what Phil was good At I'm so grateful that Willie values what I'm good at rather than tried to make me fit into a Robertson wife mold. Because that could have gone very wrong. Exactly.

[Missy]

We're all like, they're all so different.

[Jessica]

Yes. And, yeah, I wasn't. Kay cooked three meals a day. And I always joke, my mom cooked three meals.

[Lisa]

Like.

[Jessica]

Like, Kay cooked three a day. Mom cooked three meals. Like, she had three. Three. Three recipes that she made. And it all involved, like, hamburger meat. But Kay cooked every meal. And, like, I didn't grow up that way. I wasn't that person. I wasn't the one, you know, making my husband's tea and giving it to him and all that. And had Willie expected that of me, it would have been very difficult and really hard. And so I definitely. And I do remember having that feeling at times where Phil would kind of like, look at me. I don't know. Did you ever feel that Phil sometimes would have that look at you? That real. He was like, kind of like, understand you. And I was like, okay, I get. I'm a little bit different than Kay, even though there's a lot of ways that we're the same and our back. All of our values were the same. But yeah, Even before he nicknamed all of us.

[Missy]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jessica]

Within the nickname.

[Kay]

Before he nicknamed us.

[Jessica]

Exactly. Yes. I was burnt toast. Yes.

[Missy]

He would make fun of us, like, or what? Well, what he would do is we gather on the kitchen island at their house, you know, for a meal, and he'd say. He'd whistle, you know, woo hoo. I bet old Missy makes it just as good as this. You know, I'm like, actually cook your recipe, you know, so. But he would never, could never admit that we could ever be as good a cook. And that's fine. They had a big pride about that.

[Jessica]

That's right.

[Missy]

But I loved their cooking so much, I wanted to learn what they cooked because it was amazing. And so I told Jace this. And even on the unashamed podcast, if Phil would have known then that he would be waiting for Missy to show up with his dinners the last few weeks of his life, he would have thought, you are slap crazy.

[Jessica]

He was bragging on your cooking at the end of his life.

[Kay]

Yes.

[Missy]

I mean, I'm like, I want to have that conversation with him when we all get together again. How did you like those meals at the end there? Old Phil, I want to get him to admit, was an honor to do all that.

[Jessica]

We were definitely the yuppie girls that he, you know, loved to like, rail against the yuppies. He was like. Like, kind of ironic that all his. His sons married yuppie girls.

[Kay]

Yeah, I feel like I was. I grew up a lot. Like, I grew up in a hunting family. I grew up. My grandparents had a garden. They had raised hogs to, you know, slaughter. They. I mean, I feel like my aunts and my grandma actually hunted. They would get their coveralls on and go hunt in the deer stand. So I remember growing up and being little and waking up with my uncles and my. My dad and grandpa and having coffee with them. More. More milk than. And sugar than coffee, but I love that. So I feel like I grew up a little more like country. Like, I grew up hunting and, you know, going out and riding four wheelers at the, you know, hunting camp. And, you know, I guess seeing my aunt and my grandmother, like, fishing and doing all those things, it made. I wanted to do those things. You know, it's like, you. You grow up, and you. You hopefully admire your grandmother and hopefully out. That's the grandmother I am. And as the kid, the grandkids are like, oh, I just loved all these great memories, you know? So I feel like I grew up a little more. Less yuppie. You know, I feel like I had the best of both worlds. I still loved it, cheerleading and fashion, But I loved also getting dirty, you know?

[Jessica]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Lisa]

I think just Missy and Corey were.

[Jessica]

The yuppies I grew up.

[Missy]

I don't like being dirty, and I.

[Lisa]

Don'T like being done along with, you know, all of them. So, yeah, I wasn't. I wasn't yuppie.

[Missy]

People ask me, now, you don't go hunting. Why don't you go hunting? Like. Like, I don't have to. My husband does it for us. I don't have to do it.

[Lisa]

Why would I?

[Jessica]

That's right. Well, I do always say I did grow up fishing with my grandpa all the time, and he did teach me to skin a squirrel when I was very young. So I definitely.

[Missy]

Maybe it's just me.

[Jessica]

Yeah, I did have that part as well. But I guess I did grow up in a neighborhood. So that's my. Yeah, yeah, that's what that was. Phil's definition of yuppie was like, if you grew up in a neighborhood, you're yuppie. That I don't care.

[Lisa]

We had chickens. We had hogs. We had a garden. Me and my dad went squirrel hunting together. We went fishing together. I mean, that was just. Our vacations were to Toledo Bend, so that my dad and my mom could fish.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Lisa]

And. And so he took us all out in the boat, too, and taught us how to do that. So I still love it now. Now that we have a house in Gulf Shore, we're on the lagoon, and so I have a dock. And so when Corbin and Doc, my grandson, comes out, they always love to come and fish, and I love to go with them, you know, because I don't care if they're still in my bait. I'm still going to be out there just steady putting in a line and, you know, changing bait and all that kind of stuff. So, yeah, I think maybe it was just Missy that was the yuppie.

[Jessica]

I don't know.

[Missy]

I will wear the badge problem.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Lisa]

Yeah. But it's different, though, because you were. I mean, your grandparents lived in Texas, so it wasn't like you were just right there with them. You know, Corey was right with her grandparents, and, you know, Jessica got to spend a lot of time with hers, and I did with mine. So yours was a little bit different.

[Kay]

Your.

[Lisa]

Your bringing up was a little bit different.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

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[Jessica]

Shep actually just filled out a little, like, back to school form about how, you know, things. His favorite things about summer, and his favorite thing he did this summer, and it said fishing with K Mama. Yes, I know. I was, like, maybe very proud.

[Lisa]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

So sweet. So, okay, well, I think let's just do, like, a little life update. Everyone just wants to know, kind of like, where everybody is now. Like I mentioned, we're all grandparents now, and Duck dynasty ended in 2017, which is crazy. We're, like, eight years past that. And I know, you know, everyone keeps up with our lives, you know, and to some extent. But give us a little update on what's happening in your life right now. How many grandkids you have? What's keeping you busy right now? Who wants to go first?

[Lisa]

I'll go first. So I have six that were born to my children, but my oldest granddaughter is married, so I say now that I have seven grandchildren, and my granddaughter married Jersey Joe's son, Joey.

[Jessica]

If you Follow Unashamed podcast. Yeah. You know, Jersey Joe.

[Lisa]

That's right. That's right. And so we also live in Gulf Shores part of the time. I sell real estate and Gulf Shores. And then we also travel. We speak around the country, you know, different. We do pro life, we do marriage. We do women's ministry. We do whatever. You know, if somebody calls and says, can you do this? We're like, yeah, we can do that. So fundraiser. It doesn't matter. Whatever it is they ask, then we usually go and do it. But, you know, to me, the best part of that is whenever I come back home and come to West Monroe, I mean, my grandkids are so excited to see me, you know, and I love that. That. That they're so enthusiastic about Mama Pap. They call us. What time will you be home? It's like, we're driving. So what time will you be home? Because they want to be at the house whenever we get there. And I love that. I love every part of that. I told Carlie, who is my one that's married, I told her a couple of months ago. I was like, now, Carly, you know, I could be a great grandmother by the time I'm 60. You know, because my birthday's not until January. I'll be 60 in January. And I said, I could be a great grandmother by the time I'm 60. And she said, no, I'm sorry, ma', am, you can't. I said, okay, no pressure. Do it whenever you want to. I said, possibly in my 60s, I could be a great grandmother. She said, possibly in your 60s, she'll let you know. Yeah, that's right.

[Jessica]

That's great. Love it.

[Lisa]

But I mean, but that's. That's what we're doing. We're still doing the same thing. We're just going and sharing whatever God has put out there for us to share, from experiences to children, to marriage, to whatever. I feel like God rescued us. And so our response to that rescue is to go out and proclaim. And he doesn't expect perfection out of us. He expects us to be pros prostrate before him. You know, in. In. In my life right now. Prostate and prostrate. I get those a little confused because we hear those words a lot at 60. You know, you're getting there where we are hearing prostate a lot.

[Jessica]

So.

[Lisa]

But he experiences in your 20s podcast.

[Jessica]

Just Google it.

[Lisa]

Just Google what that means. But, you know, and he expects that out of us. But he also expects us to proclaim what he has healed us from and proclaim his goodness and his glory. And so that's what we're going to do, you know, until he comes back and gets us, and then we all go to heaven and worship, you know, worship him together.

[Jessica]

That's so good. If you don't know Lisa and Al's story, they have a book. What's the name of your book?

[Lisa]

A New Season.

[Jessica]

A New Season. And y' all have been on Sadie's podcast before and told your story, and we're going to get to talk again. I'm going to get to interview Lisa again soon. But, yeah, go follow up and just learn more about Aunt Lisa's story. And y' all just do a great job. Such an incredible ministry. And I know you inspire and encourage so many things.

[Sadie]

What you're doing.

[Jessica]

Love you. All right. Life updates so much.

[Missy]

It is a lot. All of my kids, when I look at them, I am so impressed with. I'll even say with Little Man, AKA impressed with the way that they are reacting and living with the circumstances that they're living with. All of them are going through challenges, every single one of them. Coles is awesome. I can talk about his because he's about to get married, and he just. He and his. He and his fiance just bought a house, their first house, and they've been scraping the ceilings of popcorn and painting them themselves. And so they're going through just the normal happ.

[Jessica]

Be.

[Missy]

We're starting our life together this fall, and that's a challenge, but it's a great one. The other ones and other. All the other kids in my life have. Have real struggles that they're going through, but they're calling us and they're being transparent, and they're saying, what would you do in this situation? How can you help me through this? And that goes back to now. We're friends and mentors, and they feel comfortable calling us. Brighton and Reed talk more than me and any of my kids. I mean, I'm sorry. Brighton and Jace. Brighton and Jace are constantly texting each other because they're in Bible study every single day. And last night, I even said, I haven't. Haven't heard you. You and Brighton weren't talking today. And he was like, oh, yeah, we have. We've been texting. I was like, oh, that's great. You know, because she's just learning and growing in scripture, and she wants to know, what does Jace know about this and what can he share? And so this season, again, I don't want to put a downer on it, because this is Life. Life is struggles and it is drama and it is pressure from outside sources and resources. But it's how we respond to that and how we handle that through the Lord and his guidance and his Holy Spirit and other mentors in our life. So now we are able to be that with our family. And I am honored that we've gotten.

[Lisa]

We grow so much spiritually through difficulty.

[Jessica]

Yes.

[Lisa]

And through challenges, you know. You know, you were talking about some of those people who you just look at and it's like, oh, it seems like, you know, at the end of the day they're not going, oh, good Lord, I'm so tired.

[Missy]

Or tomorrow I'm not done. I have all this to even think about all night tonight and in the morning and tomorrow and follow up. And I tell Jessica was like, could we just have like a stress free. And Jessica was leaning in. I was like, here? Oh, no, not possible.

[Jessica]

No.

[Missy]

A week maybe. But you know, that's what vacations are for, you know, if we can get, get on one, you know. But the last place that we went all together as a family, the night before, I was like, I don't want to go home. It's been so good being together with just our family and grandbabies and. But you have to get back to life and you have to handle things around us and the Lord's kingdom is better for it.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Lisa]

And there's people we gotta influence and help and be examples for.

[Jessica]

Well, I think it is. It's so easy. You want for your kids. In a way, you want them to have it all easy. You don't want them to go through the struggle. But then you also know at your own, your own life, like, okay, the struggle is what grows you and the struggle. But it's so hard when you watch your kids go through it because you do just don't want that for them.

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[Missy]

I can say with even with Mia, because she was on this podcast recently, I know her personally and I can see her change. And she would not be who she is without going through 16 surgeries and procedures and years of being bullied and just all of the bad things that she went through. Now you talk about a life.

[Kay]

I don't.

[Missy]

I don't know. I don't remember all of that before because she's just so overwhelmingly glowing now with the spirit of the Lord. It is not fake. It is real. He changed her life.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Missy]

And it is amazing to watch that. And so if I would have paved her way easily or more easily, and even for my boys and now for Karina. No, you gotta let them make their own mistakes because it makes them better people.

[Jessica]

They have to go through it.

[Missy]

Yes, yes. Romans 5, 3, 5. It talks about, you know, the struggles. We rejoice in our sufferings. And it seems so crazy to the world to say those out loud because that gives us perseverance, character, and hope through the Holy Spirit. That's it.

[Lisa]

Yeah.

[Missy]

So why would we want to rob our children of that?

[Jessica]

Right? Yeah.

[Missy]

We can't.

[Jessica]

We can't. So good. If you haven't watched the podcast with Mia as another homework assignment, go back and watch that. You will be so blessed and so encouraged. It's so good. Yeah. I texted Missy last week when I listened to it, because I was just like, so good. She did great. I loved it. So. All right, Jessica, life update.

[Kay]

Well, I am a new grandma, so that has been probably the biggest life change. I'll say the biggest.

[Lisa]

Wait a minute.

[Kay]

The first biggest.

[Lisa]

Have you come up with a name yet, Jessica still cannot figure out a name. All right, everybody send Jessica some ideas of what she can be called.

[Kay]

Likes Goldie. I like Marmee, which is from Little Women, But I keep calling myself Grandma. And I'm like, everybody's like, you don't want to be called grandma. That's so old. And I was like, I wear that with a badge of honor. Like, I am proud to be a grandma. Like, my grandma was my favorite person, you know? And so I would try to stay with her all the time. And so I spent weekends and hunting seasons, and I was always wanting to be there with her. So I was like, what? What's so bad about being a grandma? And so I keep calling. It's probably just going to be grandma because I love it.

[Missy]

I think it's great.

[Jessica]

I love, too.

[Kay]

Yeah, that's been probably the first biggest thing. So we also. We have two married kids. Our oldest has had our first grandbaby and then. But we also have a 9 year old still at home. And. And also river, who is homeschooling through high school. And so I have this huge range. So I have this friendships with my oldest two daughters that are both married. And it is so different now, and such a beautiful blessing. And we love being together, which is another blessing when your kids want to be around you. And then we also have two more grandbabies coming, which is another blessing and a whirlwind that we've been through. The week Lily brought Winston home is the week we found out that Priscilla's pregnant. So I won't cry.

[Jessica]

I'll try not to.

[Kay]

But that was not something we expected. And obviously now we through processing and through calling Lisa and be like, we need to talk to you about something. She probably thought, oh, God, what's going on? Their marriage. But it was really just like, we need. We need some counseling on how to approach this and with grace and mercy and love. And so I remember it was actually Super Bowl Sunday is when they called us in there and told us and. And, you know, obviously you're shocked because she is our. She. At the time, she was not 18, and her senior year, she was homeschooling. But so it's not something you necessarily want to plan for your child. Right? Nobody wants their high school child to get pregnant. Right?

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Kay]

But knowing that God showed us mercy and grace and any child, I mean, mean, God creates all life, so he. He created this child for a purpose. And obviously, we're so excited to have a little girl coming in our lives in October, but that was a long process, a lot longer conversation than we would want to have right now. But Priscilla's doing great, and she knows she's so loved. We had her shower yesterday with y'. All. And just the outpouring of love and support that she's gotten, not the.

[Lisa]

That.

[Kay]

There's no negativity. I just tend to erase those comments, whether it's on social media. And I've tried to teach my kids do the same thing, erase and block people. They're going to be hateful or negative.

[Lisa]

Yeah, they don't know, Grant.

[Jessica]

They don't know you. They don't know.

[Kay]

Yeah, that's right. So she's doing great, and the pregnancy is going great, and she's going to be such a good mama. She starts college in the spring, so we're. We're so excited. Obviously, we've gotten through those stages of, like, shock, you know, and then what are the next steps here?

[Lisa]

Every child is worth celebrating.

[Kay]

That's right. We are so excited. We cannot wait. And she's just going to be so beautiful. We've been pulling out pictures of Priscilla as a little baby, and I just can't wait to meet her. She's going to be great. And then two months later, Merritt came to us out of the blue. Now, Merit, this is my child. Merritt wanted to wait. She's 30. To have kids. She was like, you might have one when I'm 30.

[Jessica]

I remember her. I remember her saying, like, no, not she.

[Missy]

She had her life all.

[Jessica]

Lily always wanted to have babies early. Merit always was like, maybe.

[Kay]

Yeah. Like, she had this whole plan. Her and Tyler had a whole plan. And I was like, well, apparently, that wasn't God's plan.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Kay]

So they came to us out of the blue, and I thought she was lying. I was like, you're lying. You know, this. This can't be.

[Missy]

And y' all know how this works.

[Jessica]

Right, in your family?

[Missy]

Okay.

[Kay]

We did have four, so truly, they knew.

[Missy]

But.

[Kay]

But anyway, obviously, we were shocked, and they've had some adjustments to their future plans, but what a bl. Going to have a little girl. So they're going to have three in less than one year, all in one calendar year. And Winston's now almost seven months, so I can't. No. Like, shocked. If you would have said, I'm going to have three grandbabies in one year, I would have said, you're crazy. But obviously, we're so, so grateful. And God's plan is always the right plan.

[Jessica]

Yes.

[Lisa]

And I was telling your mom yesterday, I said, jessica's going to need some help. She can't carry three kids. And Jessica said, watch me.

[Kay]

Yeah, I'm gonna have a strap on my back, on the front on my hip.

[Jessica]

I know I got practice with Will and Bella because they were just 10 months apart carrying two. And it's been helpful as now that I have grandbabies because they all want Grandma to hold them. And you're like. You want to hold them. You're like, yes, I can hold both of them at the same time. I can hold three at once. You know, that's. That's how you just.

[Lisa]

I now have to sit down on the couch to hold mine because they're just too big. I can't pick them up anymore.

[Jessica]

You can get on your lap, but.

[Lisa]

My youngest, 8, so I have to just. How about you come sit in my lap while we're sitting on the couch?

[Jessica]

Yeah. That's so sweet. Yeah. We got to have a big shower yesterday out at Logtown and celebrate. And it was so fun to get to celebrate Zillow.

[Lisa]

It was beautiful.

[Jessica]

Yeah. She's gonna be the cutest little mama and just gonna be great. And we're so excited.

[Missy]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

And cousins. Little girl. Little girl cousins. Oh, my gosh.

[Lisa]

Is the cutest.

[Jessica]

The cutest thing ever, so that's gonna be so much fun.

[Kay]

Yes. I've already been, like, mapping out out matching outfits for the girls. We've already been thinking about Halloween costumes in the future, how cute they all be together. It's all those little things. I was like, stockings. I got to get all new stockings for them. And. And so it's been.

[Jessica]

Oh, the stocking thing is a real thing. I'm, like, adding stockings every year.

[Missy]

I'm like. I. I just.

[Jessica]

Actually just went and ordered some. Some, like, blanks, because I was like.

[Missy]

I did that four years ago, and I've run out.

[Jessica]

Yeah, exactly. Our mantles are getting really full, which is such a blessing. The greatest blessing ever. Yes. Well, thank y' all so much. This was really fun to just get to catch up, and I always learn things from all of you, and I hope that you guys have too. I hope you've been encouraged and inspired, and I hope you just have a great week. Thanks for listening.

[Scott Hanson]

Sam.