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I like them.
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Sometimes you find a cute one. But when you're traveling with your friends, a hotel room is just not. Not big enough. And I refuse to sit on my bed eating room service just so my friend can have the one chair that's in the room. I like a hotel pool, but I do not like fighting for a lounge chair or getting splashed by strangers. I want a kitchen where I can open a bottle of wine and just yap all night without worrying about getting a noise complaint. That's why, for this trip, finding a home on Airbnb was the only option. We found this amazing, cute spot on a huge property with a private pool, and it meant we could just park, sprawl out and enjoy our time together without being just, like, on top of one another. And if you only want the best, you need to look for their guest favorites. It's a badge on Airbnb that shows the most loved homes based on ratings, reviews, and reliability. It basically takes out all of the guesswork. So if you want to have fun with your friends on your next trip, book your next day on Airbnb.
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We were sitting on the couch, and he was just rubbing my leg and smelling me and stuff. And then all of a sudden, I just hear this. I'm like, what is going on? The man was just releasing himself.
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He was just farting.
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No, he was just coming.
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Oh.
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And then nothing happened. I was like, what? Are you all right? He was like, I don't believe this just happened. I said, what? And then he said, I just came.
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How?
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We ain't even did nothing. Our clothes is on.
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Why won't you date me? Why won't you date me? Why won't you date me? Please tell me why. Ooh, baby. Welcome to another episode of why Won't yout Date Me?
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A podcast where me, Nicole Byer, was
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trying to figure out why I was so single.
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Even though you could. You could come on a desk and tell me it was a keyboard. My guest today is a legendary drag queen. You know, from RuPaul's Drag Race Season
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7 and All Stars 4.
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She's the queen of meme.
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And I'm so excited to have her on the show because cocoon is one of my favorite moments of the entire series. It's Jasmine Masters. Okay. Before we get into dating and whatnot. So my assistant Lindsay, she's very, very. She's very wonderful. She did some research and the cocoon moment, which is truly one of the iconic moments of the show.
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Cocoon. Cause the butterfly is actually in the cocoon. This is the cocoon. Cocoon.
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Uh huh.
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Okay, great.
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She found out you were just eating edibles that day.
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Yes. A lot of them. A lot of them.
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I love that. I love. It's a cocoon, and then I shed the cocoon, and there's a butterfly coming out of the cocoon. You say cocoon so many times, and it makes me laugh so hard.
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Cause I can think I forgot what the challenge was. But, you know, it's like almost like. Almost like an hour to two hours of, you know, you know, the filming and behind the scenes. And they gotta talk to each girl and do it maybe two, three times. So I was like, down the line talking to her, and by that time, everything kicked in. So I was just there. And mind you, I helped. I sold Kennedy's cape. I was helping some of the girls do different things. I was just doing whatever I was doing, and it got to me. I was like, hey, what's up, Rupert? They were like, okay, well, y' all gonna talk about this? Cause I'm talking about back in the day. And they're like, no, we're gonna talk about this. Talk about that. I said, okay, okay. And then when they asked me what was I making for the Runway, I'm thinking Runway, like, oh, shit. What was I making and what was the challenge?
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It is so funny.
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That was my first time ever having edibles too. We was doing really? Yes. So I was very new to him. And I'm like, why it ain't kicking in? Cause I'm used to smoking weed, and it kicks in, and when it kicks in, baby,
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feliz navidas. So on the show, you're not like, you can't have like, a phone or anything?
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No.
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But you had edibles.
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Yes. See, you know, the edibles look like regular, like candy.
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Candy.
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So I had got the gummy worms, and I took all the gummy words out, and I put all the edibles in there. And then I put, like, I broke the real ones. I just put a little slit in them so I can know which one was, you know, the three that was regular and the three that wasn't.
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Uh, huh?
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Yeah.
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I love that so much. How were you high for most of filming?
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Yes,
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absolutely. Girl. I was getting lit. Then I found some weed in my bag and I tried to put that in a coffee and try to get the steam and all that to melt it out. I don't know if it worked, but them edibles kicked in.
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Women in stem. I love that. I love that. You said, I will figure out how to fucking get high.
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I will figure out how to get lit. Yes.
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So, Jasmine, are you single? Are you dating? Do you not want to say I am single?
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Okay.
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Yes.
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Are you looking?
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You know, I'm not looking, but if something happens, then okay, okay, yeah. Cause I'm really scared of heartbreak. I never had the heartbreak. And I've been in four relationships in my gay life. They all lasted two years. The last one was eight years. But I just. I seen people go through that heartache and I ain't built for that.
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You said that's not for me.
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Uh, I went through that.
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I didn't see that for me.
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When I was in high school and me and my girlfriend broke up and you know, like we were together, well, almost three years. So I went through the whole. Can't sleep, can't eat, crying and shit. Can't hear nothing sad. Any song, come on, you boo hooing. I've been through that then. But to be older and to see people go through that, I'm just like, damn, it fucks you up like that.
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It does.
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It fucks people heads up.
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It really does.
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I don't want to be in that love. I don't want to be in love with nobody like that.
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How do you.
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So you've been in relationship, like long term relationships, how do you not get
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to that point where you're letting shit fuck you up?
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Like, how are you just.
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Well, the last relationship I had was, I think I was 26, 27. I'm 49 now, so that's a long time to be single. Playing swords for free, you know, I mean, just freelancing. But to be in love with somebody is great. Cause I'm a loving. I love all of that. But I know I give so much and I just don't wanna just give myself. I'm afraid to give myself to somebody, then they turn around and do something stupid. Yes. Cause if you lie, you cheat, we're done. I don't do that back. And I can't argue with you if you cheat, if something's not right, you know, you could go out, may not come back till the morning. Baby, we broken up. Cause I can't trust you. If I can't trust you anybody, I can't. We would never be.
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I think that's good.
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Sitting down at a table doing nothing.
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Cause you have to trust your partner.
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You can't, like, be going home to
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somebody and you're like, I don't.
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You moving through the world. Funny. And I don't know what you're out there doing.
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Like.
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No, I don't like that either.
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Absolutely. Cause I'm gonna be 1,000 with you. I ain't got nothing to hide from you. You gonna know everything you need to know. And whatever you ask me when you say, I wanna go to the club with you, I'm not gonna say no. Cause I know I'm not. I've never been to.
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You're not doing shady shit.
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Yeah, no, no, no, no, no. But I don't know what they, you know, mindsets are. And, you know, the opportunities. Knocks on all our doors. Some people answer, I don't answer them. I don't answer them. Not then. One of the Jehovah Witnesses, uh, opportunity
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knocks, and I don't answer.
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I don't. Yeah, they knock. I don't answer.
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God, that's so funny.
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So after you were on Drag Race,
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you're, like, put in the spotlight. Are people, like, DMing you?
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Are you getting hit on a lot?
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Yes. And you know what's weird? When we are scheduled. Well, I say we because I know it happened to pretty much all of us. The hoes in the cities know when we come. You know, it's a flyer that advertising. They say, oh, hi, I'm such and such. And I hung out with this person. I hung out with that person. But, baby, I already know what you're doing. You trying to get close to us, and you ready to give up yourself just to say you have. But, baby, you telling me that you hung out with these people, that ain't turning me on. That just doesn't mean nobody used you.
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What would turn you on?
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And they're not even Jesus. You know what? I think I am attracted to older men.
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Okay.
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Meaning like 25 and under or even, like, 27. That's kind of young for me.
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I think so, too.
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Yeah. I'm just like, I want you to grow some more.
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Yes. The frontal lobe is not fully developed. Yes.
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Yes.
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We're still making poor choices.
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Yes. And I need you to have your shit together. Wipe that ass with baby wipes. I need you that good. But you and I don't have. I don't like, it's not a perfect. A certain body type. Body type. A race is not important to me.
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Okay?
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So that stuff is nothing. Looks not. You don't have to be a certain, like, look this certain way. I just like what I like. It could be the smallest thing that I could just get attracted to. Like what a good attitude, nice legs, nice feet. You know, just a good energy.
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Okay.
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It's not about the I'm not gonna date nobody look like favorite Flav, but you know, I like to keep it, you know, but all that. I don't have a type, okay? I just like a good human.
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I'm not a foot person. What is good feet? What's a good foot?
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No corns, no bunions, no calluses, no dry skin, no dead toenails. And I have seen it. I seen some really, really. Oh, Lord, he is fine. But I got down to them feet, baby. Was you kicking down buildings with the. Like, what was going on with as a child? Why does your feet look like they had been playing drums on them on the bricks? Like, what happened?
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Kicking down buildings is maybe the funniest thing I've ever heard about nasty feet.
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Yeah, I just feel like, ooh, baby, just keep your socks on. Like, my last boyfriend, he was in the military and he had like a little dead. His big toe was a little dead.
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Ooh, the big toe was dead, baby.
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It was like a. Like not half, but just a little piece. Oh, we going to target. We got everything to bring that toe back to life. Sure did. Come on, baby. We going to target.
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Resurrecting toenails.
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Sure did got that big toe together.
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I like that you like this person enough to be like, I'm gonna help your foot health.
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Yeah. If I gotta look at them shit. No, we gonna fix that. Cause I'm just gonna be looking at that toe and can't even watch the golden girl. Cause I'm just looking at that damn toe. Like, what the fuck?
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What is the quote? Pop the corn. Pop the corn and feed the children
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so the kids can eat.
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Wait, you grew up in the San Diego area, which is so funny to me. Cause you struck me as somebody from the South.
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Everybody been telling me that, I swear my whole entire life.
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Like, truly, you feel like such like a old southern soul.
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I don't know. Well, I know why. Cause my family is based on in the southern. But I've been getting this since I was like, even in elementary.
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Jasmine, what were you like as a child?
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Like this. I always just like this hyper, fun, happy, cussing Same old shit.
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I get asked this question a lot. People are like, how do you stay positive? I have like ADHD also. I just rather smile than like be upset about shit all the time.
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Right.
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How do you keep so positive? Like you have such a contagious spirit and I just, I love you radiate kindness and happiness. How do you do that?
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Cause it's life. My life is. You know, I always say you gotta be one with yourself. You have to accept yourself. Every flaw, every ash, everything about you. And once you can accept yourself and love yourself, it's easy that way. You know what I mean? To me, I'm not perfect, but I'm perfect. You know, I look in the mirror, I like what I see. If I don't like it, hell, one day I may change it. But I'm so in love with myself and I like who I am. And I know I don't have bad energy for people. I don't want people to, you know, be sad and be hurt. I don't like that for people. And I just love being, you know, alive and shit. Cute.
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I feel the same way.
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Like I genuinely love myself.
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Uh huh.
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And it did take a minute, but I would look in the mirror sometimes and be like, oh, I don't like that. And I'd be like, well what do you like?
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Right?
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I'd be like, ooh, this I have. I like my eye shape, I like, I. I love how big my cheeks are.
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I think I look like a cherub.
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And like after I was like physically, I like me, I was like, do. I like myself like inside. And I'm like, yeah, I'm a very giving person. I like making people laugh. I like to move through this world
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leaving like a nice imprint a night.
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Yes, it's so much easier to be. Cause you wake up pretty much happy.
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Yes.
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Cause for someone to make you mad or you get angry, that takes a lot of energy. I ain't got that much energy.
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Nope, sure don't.
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Now I cut your ass out.
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But I'm gonna be happy.
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I'm still gonna be happy.
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I'll be happy about it.
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Yeah.
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And that's your hate. And I hate that.
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I really do hate when I have to argue with someone and we start going back and forth and we saying stuff. Cause I know my mouth is vicious and if I go there, you gonna probably go home, have nightmares. Cause I know how to say. Call you things and say things to make it stick in your head. I know how to keep. So when every time you hear Mary J. BLIGE you gonna say that bitch called me a pro Down. Mary J. Blige. You know what I mean? So I know how to get there. And I hate that. I hate. Cause I'm like, I don't wanna make this person sad, but, bitch, don't try me.
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God, that's so funny.
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You look like a Brooke down there. You blush.
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I was on a flight.
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I was coming back from Chicago and
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there was snow and then the plane had wrong with it. And I was like talking to the gate agent and I was being so rude and I stopped and I was like, I am so sorry. None of this is your fault. And I am being nasty. And she was like, oh, thank you.
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Huh.
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I understand why you're mad. It's. And I was like, oh, yeah, nobody ever does that. Nobody ever takes a moment to go, this is not this person's fault.
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Right.
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Why am I being such an asshole? And I feel like if we just did that, sometimes we can all just be happier.
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I've done that a couple of times. And I said, baby, this ain't for you. This is about the people above you. I just got to get this out. And they say, okay because I was in customer service field, so I know how it is. Because sometimes people just want to vent.
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Yes.
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And even though it's not they venting to me, they're not talking to me.
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Yes.
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They're not like, it's your fault, your fault, your fault. They mean it's the company or whoever, but they just need to get it out to somebody who's in that field, you know, just to voice it. Then you say, thank you for listening. Now pay your bill.
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No. What jobs have you had?
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Well, I worked at KFC in high school. I was a paper boy, like at maybe 11, 12. That lasted for one day.
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You said, I simply can't be doing this. I can't. Riding around, throwing papers at the door.
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They want to wake me up at 4 in the morning and then wanted me to fold the paper, put the rubber band around it, be on my bike, driving it, riding my bike in the cold, tossing papers. Baby, I didn't go to bed till 3 o'. Clock. Watch. I was watching Paint Labelle all night. I'm not getting up. My mama told that man, baby, he ain't getting up. Just go on and deliver these papers.
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I love that your mother had your back.
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She wasn't like, get up, do the job.
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She was like, no, I'm so sorry, that's just too early. He won't be doing that.
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And she was sleepy too. She was like, uh, he ain't doing it.
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I get that. She's like, I don't want to get up with my child. No. We're going to sleep. Jasmine, real quick. We gotta take a break. Oh boy.
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I have to ask, how are those resolutions going?
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And we're back. Jasmine?
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Yes?
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What's one of your worst hookups?
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Oh, it was one where this. Okay. I was. Well, I couldn't even say we hooked up. I went over to this guy house. It was like, oh, years ago. We were sitting on the couch and he was just like rubbing my leg and smelling me and stuff. And then all of a sudden I just hear this. I'm like, what is going on? The man was just releasing himself.
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He was just farting.
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No, it was just coming.
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Oh.
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And then nothing happened. I was like, what? Are you all right? He was like, I don't believe this just happened. I said, what? And then he said, I just came. How? We ain't even did nothing. Our clothes is on your legs.
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Your legs were too much for him.
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But he'd been after me for years. And I was like, I had one where.
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Wait, did you give him another chance? No, he'd been after me three years. Blew his load and his shot and you said goodbye.
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That's it, baby. That was it. I didn't even let boyfriend take me out to dinner and give me a steak. So now I'm good. And we watched. I think it was the Terminator that we. I think we watched that.
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I don't know why that's such a funny detail.
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Yeah. Cause I remember Arnold Schwarzenegger.
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He's got fucked up feet in that movie.
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Ooh, Jesus.
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There's one shot of those feet that I said, why did you leave that in?
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That was me.
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It don't look good at all.
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Oh, I see now. You know, kicking down buildings.
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What's another one?
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It was one where I was meeting this guy, and he just could not get up. He was just too nervous. Like, overly excited and nervous at the same time. And he was just like, I don't believe this. I said, what? He was like, I just can't. I'm like, what's wrong? He was like, I think I'm just nervous for what? Damn it. Shit. We done talked on the phone. We done went out and everything. Now it's time to get down with the motion. And you just too damn nervous. Get your ass up out of here. Take me home, bitch.
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Jasmine. Take me home, bitch. Wow. You know what? That is interesting that these men are, like. They're too excited.
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Yeah.
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I would be excited, too, if I got to go on a date with you.
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Yeah. And I'm like, well, what is the problem?
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I guess it's hard to contain the excitement and all.
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This is way. This is way before Drag Race.
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That's how magnetic you are.
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Yeah, I guess so.
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You weren't even famous, and they were,
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like, scared of you. Yeah.
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Exciting, you know? Cause in San Diego, I was like one of the younger, popular guys there. Cause I was young, fresh, but I wasn't sleeping around with everybody. Cause I was in a relationship. Right out the back, right out the gate. But some of the older guys, they, like, you know, they want the young ones. And I would never bend. I would never fold. I would never do none of that. Cause I'm like, I'm in a relationship, so I'm not giving you my pager number. I don't want your pager number. This is like 93, 94. It's like we have nothing in common. Like, I get it, but no. So when I did get single and I was like, oh, okay, you know, whatever. They just couldn't believe it, I guess.
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What are some, like, green flags for you in dating?
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Like, what's something that happens when you're dating somebody that you're like, oh, I like this.
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Just the small things, like laughing and, you know, just the whole communication. Communication is so big with me. Conversation is big with me. I love good laughter. I love when a person do the small things and not try to be overly big. My thing is always use this rule if I'm dating somebody. I'm not taking you to go get steaks off the bag. I'm gonna take you somewhere like Harold's Chicken, and we gonna go get us a lemon pepper wing.
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Mm.
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Because we gonna go more to harrows and get some chicken before I take you to get you a $75 one. And the steak is only that big. We not doing that on the regular. But go get some lemon peppers, baby. We gonna be here a lot.
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I think that's smart.
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Yeah. And I don't want them to try to overly oppress me. Just do like, we're normal.
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Yes.
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Don't do the big stuff.
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I think that's really smart to be like, this is what life is gonna be like normally.
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Yes.
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So on that first date, why would we go all out?
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Right.
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Just do something nice, normal.
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Because that's what the life's gonna be.
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Cause if you take me get steaks on the first day, baby, I'm gonna want steaks all the time.
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You know you want steaks three nights a week. Yeah.
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And them little babies are small and they're expensive. That steak was $75. It was like the size of a 50 cent piece.
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You are correct. I remember the first time as an adult, I went to like a steakhouse and I was like, I'm gonna get that filet mignon. And it was like $60. And it came and it was so tiny. I was like, what is this?
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Yes.
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And then all the sides, I have to order them separately.
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Yes. They all ate $12. Yes.
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Why are we doing this is. Yes. It's a potato.
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Yeah. You learn.
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You live and you learn.
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You learn.
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Going back to All Stars, was that hard or were you like, oh, I'll do that.
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Oh, yeah. I was like, okay, I do it. Shit.
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So when you got cast on the show, were you nervous or were you just like, meh, I'm gonna do this?
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I was like, meh, I'm gonna do it. Let me walk through these doors and get a pay raise and I can walk right back out. That was my mindset going into season seven. Cause I already seen the girl that was on the show, and they come work with us, and I hear the stories. I'm like bitch, what? And then some of them go on stage, they not performing, they just pointing.
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Uh huh.
C
And I'm like, well what the hell is that? You know, like they're not even performing. So I'm like, bitch, let me get that stamp. And gave me a pay raise. So I was like, if I could walk in the door and say, hey, I could walk right back out.
B
Uh huh. I mean that is such a good attitude to be like, I'm doing this for my career. Like I just wanna get paid a little bit more.
C
Yeah.
B
And then I'm gonna keep doing what I'm doing. Cause I'm already doing a lot.
C
I'm doing a lot. And I've been doing it for years before that show came around. So now I was like, ooh, now I could really make a good profit on what I'm putting into drag. Cause drag is so expensive.
A
It really is.
C
And people don't like bars, managers or whoever. People that put the shows on, they request, oh, I want beads, I want feathers, I want this. But baby, that shit cost. And the little $50 or $75 you trying to give us ain't covering shit.
B
I didn't know that people requested things.
C
Oh, some of them tried to. It's like, I'm gonna come back. One of the managers that was at Mickey's had sent a message to all the girls. Oh, we open it back up. This is like during COVID we opened it back up. I wanna see rhinestones and beads and this and this and this. Well baby, we wanna see a pay raise. Cause if the pay the same, you gonna get the same.
B
I mean you're not wrong. No, you're not wrong.
C
It's expensive. So then we had did a reverse role where the staff got in dragon. Oh yes, baby gone. Find your wig, Buy all the makeup plus the dress. Learn the song, find your shoes. You wear a size 14 than women and you know you gotta buy all that. And they was like, oh my God, it's so expensive. And you wanna pay us some change?
B
Uh huh.
C
The fuck you may not wanna do drag. We do. But honey, you see how expensive this is? So you have to cough up some because we put a lot into it. So don't give us no slack. You give us them free drinks and that food, bitch.
B
Can I ask you about shake a square?
C
Uh huh. Watch out sisters, I'm the real prima donna hair cheerleader is gonna be me, Laquisha Kiana. That's right.
D
Hey Hogwarts rejects, what's your prediction?
C
If I'M not here. Cheerleader is truly fan fiction.
B
Season 7 is my favorite season. I loved it. Shakesqueer is. It's one of, I think, one of the funniest challenges, because I feel like they didn't give you any guidance on how to do the performances.
C
Well, you know what happened? They told us to learn it. I learned my stuff my way. So I'm like, okay, I got it. But then when we got there, they said, oh, no, we want you to do it with this tempo. So I was like, well, bitch, I done learned it my way. And now you talking about not that tempo. Do it in this tempo. So why you just didn't tell me that before I started doing it my damn way. Yes.
B
I feel like they set everybody up for failure in that challenge.
C
Yeah. I said, you know what? Nevermind. I am not the one for no bullshit, baby. Y' all can't have.
B
Never mind.
C
So my whole rhythm that I got for mine, but it's based off of Shanaynay. That's why I had the braids and everything. Cause I was like, okay, I'm gonna do it in this type of format. And then it'd be funny. It could be good, but not being a Shanae Nae character, but just kind of in her form. And then they was like, oh, no, we want you to do it like this. I'm like, bitch, what? Okay, roll the tape.
B
Honestly, now that you're explaining it, that makes a lot more sense with the wig and everything.
C
Yeah.
B
And honestly, I think it would have been funnier.
C
That's what happened. And I'm like, well, bitch, if y' all would've told me this, I wouldn't have put this wig on. Like, I would've wore something else. But they had us learn it in our way. And then they told us right before we get to, oh, guess what? We want you to do it with this rhythm. What the fuck you mean?
B
That's wild. I feel like they should have told you before.
C
And I'm high, too,
B
and I'm stoned outta my mind.
C
Kicking in. I'm. Roll the tape.
B
Roll the tape.
C
It's like my scale is going. Cause I'm a lemur. So I'm doing this, trying to figure out. And you gonna say, oh, no, we want you to do it in this real. And that's dry. Like, what the fuck? I said, okay, honey, I can't argue with you. I'm not. Whatever, baby. Let's go.
B
Okay. For me, this is very. I have an attitude a lot where I'm like, well this is above me. I can't get mad about it. I'm not gonna fight it. It's above me.
C
It's above me baby.
B
That's what you want. That's do my best.
C
I hey, let me just do whatever it is to get this over with. Cuz before I know it, this would be a memory too.
B
Before I knew it, this is a memory too. Real quick, we have to take a break.
A
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B
We're back.
C
Yay.
B
Yay.
A
Jasmine, what's one of the best dates
B
you've ever been on?
C
Ooh, my ex boyfriend took me on. Ooh, my way. Oh, I got so many good dates. Okay. One was my ex boyfriend. The last one, it was like maybe six, seven o' clock, and we went to the beach. He came and picked me up and. Are you familiar with San Diego? No. Okay. It's this big old beach. Well, it's a bridge called Coronado Bridge. Really high up.
B
I do know that bridge.
C
So over there they have a nice little beach area. He went out there early, set up this whole nice little blanket candle, like set this spot up. Came and picked me up, which I'm like maybe 15 minutes away. Brought me to the beach and all that was still there. Nobody came and bothered it. Nobody didn't touch. He had a basket there and I thought that was one. That was one of my favorite dates that I did was. Well, that somebody did for.
B
That's very sweet. Yeah, I like that.
C
I was like, oh, he loves me.
B
It's one of those things that girl,
C
we did it on the beach. Sand all in my ass and balls.
A
Sand on my ass.
C
Just saying favorite. I was like, oh, Lord. Yes, that was one.
B
What's another?
C
Okay, so there's this guy that's in my life now. We just There.
B
Sure.
C
And it's been about 23, 24 years.
B
Oh, wow.
C
Yeah.
B
That's a long there.
C
Yeah. Okay. Yeah, me. He surprised me one time and did a whole big Airbnb and we went away for like, I think about five days and just went. He got a beach house for us and he just took us away for his. His birthday's in September, mine's October. So we did something together.
B
I like that.
C
That was really sweet. That was sweet.
B
I love how much you like the beach.
C
I love the beach.
B
I love the beach too.
A
I like being on the water.
B
I feel like it's very calming. You don't think so?
C
Well. Oh, on the water. Not being like in the water.
A
I like being in.
B
You hate water, it seems.
C
I hate the beach water.
B
Well, beach water is disgusting here.
C
Yeah. Yes.
A
It's just not nice, girl.
B
Just makes scratches a little itchy. You get out and. I don't know.
C
I don't put nothing of my body in the beach water, but I like
A
being on, like, a boat.
C
Oh, yes, that's very nice.
B
I like that.
C
That's very nice.
A
And then I like being on the
B
sand and like, hearing the ocean crash onto the shore. I think that's so therapeutic and relaxing.
C
It is. And that passes out. Shit, I'm out of there, girl, you
B
can't just be sleeping on the beach.
C
I go right there where the police are at. So I live right by Venice Beach. I'm like, maybe 15 minutes down one street. I'm there. So I went out there one day, I said, I'm going to the beach. Nice day. I'm off. And I was like, let me grab my little, you know, basket and all that stuff. And it was like, the police is, like, over there. And I got close to them as I could, and I walked over there. I said, excuse me, sir? They said, yes. I said, how long are you guys gonna be here? And the guy was like, we'll be here for a minute. My ex wife. I said, yeah. Cause I know I'm finna set up and I'm gonna pass out and I wanna be safe. And they looked at me and he was like, well, you'll be safe. Cause we'll be here. I said, okay, Just in case, I get done eating these sandwiches. And now you see me lean over, I'm asleep. And I went to sleep and woke up, they were still there. And. Yeah, I like the beach. I like the parks.
B
Mm.
C
I like that stuff is romantic to me, especially when you have somebody or something. It's so peaceful and it just. You're just out.
A
I dated this dude where I used to keep.
B
Maybe it's still in there. I used to have a basketball in my car. And we were driving somewhere and we had some time beforehand, and I saw a park. I was like, you wanna go to that park and play basketball? And he was like, yes.
C
Yeah.
B
And then we just, like, played basketball, and it was just, like, fun, and it felt very romantic. Neither of us were good at it, but we just, like, had a nice time.
C
You gotta have a nice time with somebody. It's not always about spending money or. Or doing all that. It's so many things you could do without spending money where you could really connect with somebody and just be like, this is what I need. I need somebody that I can have fun with. And if you can have fun with somebody and not involve money or, you know, stuff like that, it's even better, because, you know, y' all can have fun just doing nothing. Just doing nothing. And I like that.
A
I like that too.
C
Yeah.
A
Can I ask you about.
B
Okay. So you had your birthday at an Olive Garden once, and then your friend posted it on Facebook that y' all were celebrating your birthday at an Olive Garden. Then it became a Jasmine Masters meet and greet at the Olive Garden.
C
Yes. So this is what happened. It was freshly, like, kind of off of. I think it was season seven. And me and my friends that I grew up with, you know, we close, and they just. It's new to them to be so overwhelmed with people when we going into the stores, anywhere people want to take pictures with me, and it just. It happens so much. So my friend was like, bitch, I just want us to go somewhere for your birthday and just try to, you know, I'm like, okay, cool. And that's not. Olive Garden's not my favorite restaurant.
B
What's your favorite restaurant?
C
Mexican food. It's my favorite.
A
Okay.
C
So I was just going there because I like the salad and the breadsticks. So I would get extra salad, and I would take the breadsticks and dip it in the salad. Mm, yum, yum. So he was like, well, we could just go there. Yada, yada, yada. Cause he liked the salads too. So, like, let's go there. You know, we'll find something on the menu. Great. Do not tell nobody and do not post up on your media. We're going here. Okay. We get off the phone. About an hour later, he on Facebook. Oh, we going Olive grind for Jasmine for Martell's birthday or whatever. Yada, yada, yada. Bitch, you just told me not to post it.
A
Mm.
C
Now you tagged me in it, so now everybody's seeing it. Then he turned around and made, like, a little flyer that was out. He did that just to send it to our friends or whatever, and to me, but he also put it on Facebook. Bitch, what are you over there smoking? Because you telling me not to do what you doing.
B
What you're doing. Exactly what you're doing. How many people showed up?
C
It was sold out. I got. And mind you, this is the one that's in Culver City at Fox Hill Mall. So we Go to we at that one and I've been there a few times. Cause we go to the mall, whatever, grab me a little something. I walked in and the guy was like, are you Jasmine Masters? And I was like, uh huh. He was like, Finally I said, why, what's wrong? He said, everybody here is for you. I said, every. I'm like, here go my 20 friends here that I knew that was coming. I said, everybody like who? He said, everybody in here is for you. He said, we are sold out. Said, no y' all not. He said, yes. I walked around, everybody there, they clapping for me, they giving me flowers, they giving me gifts and shit. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. I'm like, what the fuck? It was even people walking by. Cause our table was outside. There was people walking by saying we couldn't get a reservation. So happy birthday. Here go a birthday gift for you. I was like, what? It was so overwhelming. I was in my little corner crying like a little ho.
B
Like a little hoe. I was just, that's so beautiful.
C
It was beautiful.
B
That's so beautiful.
C
And my one friend, he was just like, bitch, everybody came. Hello. Like, thank you. But yeah, it was so sweet. But it was not my idea. I would have never said, let's go there.
B
I love that.
C
It would have been either Italian food or Mexican food. I would say, oh, let's go here.
A
What is your.
C
Not that Italian food.
B
No, I get it, I get it. Do you ever get sick of people saying your own quotes to you? Like when people are like, I'm Jasmine Masters and I got something to say.
C
No, I love it. But sometimes they say them and I don't remember. I'm like, baby, what are you talking about? They said, oh, in your video. Which one? And I said, I said that? And they say, yes. I said, oh shit, okay. Cause I did the videos and I just sent them. I never went back and looked. They're not edited. They just.
B
You just put them out there.
C
They just there. So when they do come up to me and they say, any of my memes that I'm really familiar with, I love them when they come to me anyway. But when I really know what they're talking about, I'm like, wow, you really watch my stuff. But when they come to me with something I don't know, baby, what is wrong with you?
B
You in it too deep. I said it and I don't even know it.
C
I don't even know it. But all them videos, like is 8 years, 10 years old.
B
Uh huh. And that, that's old. Right.
C
Oh, that's old.
B
That's real old. Yeah, that's like probably one of your first videos that went viral. No.
D
Maybe.
C
I don't know.
B
Who knows?
C
I know that's the one where I knew I was going viral. I was like, what is going on? And then it was on a Wednesday. I was in San Diego at Moe's doing Dreamgirls, and my phone was just. I'm like, I'm working. I'll be back. And then I did kind of look at it and see that I had a lot of text messages, missed phone calls, and the Facebook and all that stuff. Had all the numbers that show you. I'm like, what's going on? So I did look, but I didn't really pay attention to what it was. I'm like, oh, okay, whatever. It wasn't until the next day when I woke up that I really took the time to look at everything. And then my friend was like, bitch, you are going viral. I was like, oh, Lord, what happened? Like, what did I do?
B
What did I do?
C
And he was like, bitch. He said they was using this anti oop and it's everywhere. Cause I didn't want to get fucked up and drive knowing, I mean, re driving while I'm already fucked up. So, bitch, I crashed in my back seat for a couple of hours and I. Oh, I just hit my balls. And then I just looked and it was everywhere.
B
What does that feel like?
C
It's amazing.
B
You're like, I fucking loved it. I loved it so much.
C
Yes.
B
I mean, yeah, because for one, it was.
C
It was me just being me. No pretension, not trying to be a character. I was just me. And the fact that it was something good would make people laugh. It was even better because nobody feelings are hurt, you know? But I did something where people could laugh and enjoy, and that made me feel really, really good.
B
I love that sometimes people. I feel like you haven't let that fame or these experiences change you. You seem so grounded and humble, and I fucking love that.
C
That's my. My job is what I do.
B
Yes.
C
That's just my job. That's. That's who I am. Cause it's my job, but it's. I'm no better than anybody. You know, whether I have may have a dollar more or not. I'm no better than anybody. And I don't throw that in anybody's faces. To this day, people say, oh, you don't have to wait in line. I can wait in line. Cause what I'm not finna do is go to the front of the line and thinking that somebody know me. And they don't. And then they say, and I oop your ass to the back. And then everybody's in line laughing at me. Ooh, that bitch got pushed to the back. So I never let that get to me. But if somebody recognized me while I'm in line and say, come on. Okay, thank you. But I just don't assume from the top of my head that everybody know who I am and everybody like me, you know, so that's just my job. I don't. I don't take that to heart and think I'm better than somebody.
B
I like that anytime I start thinking a little too highly of myself, the world will humble me a little bit.
A
I was doing this class, it was a pole dancing class, and I was
B
with my friend Christy, and they were also doing puppy yoga. And this lady was holding a puppy. And I was like, oh, can I hold the puppy? And she was like, sure. And I was holding the puppy, and the lady goes, oh, you're so funny. And I went, oh, thank you. And she went, I meant the dog. And I went, got it.
C
Got it.
B
You have no idea who I am. And that is absolutely fine.
C
And yeah, and that's another thing, too. I don't think everybody that I see know me. Cause I go in stores that people don't say nothing. But the people who do know who I am, yes, I know they know me from somewhere, yes. But I just don't know. Even like in gay clubs, I don't think every gay person know who I am.
B
I truly walk around going, nobody knows who I am. And if they do, that's a nice treat.
C
That's a nice treat. And that's why they. When they come up to me, I'm very nice. Well, I'm just me. I'm very nice. I'm very polite. I don't mind they say, I didn't wanna bother you, baby I could have stayed at home But I'm out in the street and if you see me, say something. Cause I don't know if you know me but if you do know me, it's okay to acknowledge me and say, hey, how you doing? Can I get a picture? I'm gonna tell you. Yeah, Because I look cute. Shit, I got dressed to get a compliment.
A
That's how I am now. Now I don't care. I was on a show called Girl Code. And when that blew up, I.
B
I don't know, I felt a little like,
A
oh, my God, I can't believe you like me, but now I'm like, you
B
put jokes out into the world.
C
Yes.
B
You're putting stuff out. If people like it, that's what you did it for. So if people ask for a picture. Sure, why not? I'll talk to you. You're not bothering me.
C
Not at all.
B
That's fine. If I'm eating dinner, I'll say, do you mind if I finish this real quick? Or if you're pressed for. Yeah, we'll take a paint like. Like now I'm like, that's what I'm doing it for. I do it so people like me. So when they talk to me, it's great, great.
C
I enjoy it.
B
You know, we did it.
C
And my biggest lesson was when I really knew the impact that you could give somebody just being nice and polite to them. Was the first time I met Patti LaBelle. And she was coming out the back of one of the auditoriums, her bus was there and it was like maybe 60, 80 of us outside. That lady took time and talked to every last one of us. She gave every last one of us a hug. She signed anything we needed. If there was a picture or camera there, the little click, click. She did that. Like. So the feeling that I got from her from that moment I said if I could get out to everybody I come encounter with, I would be good. Because that feeling is something you don't get. You know, it's just like, oh my God. Especially when you like someone.
A
Yes.
C
And they so nice and polite to you. That's why I be so. Well, I was born to be nice and polite to people anyway. But I just know the feeling of being a celebrity and how you can really just give somebody the best experience ever.
B
Yeah.
C
And I know for me it was amazing. So if I could do the same for other people, I would want to do that every day, all day.
B
I love that.
C
Cause you never know what somebody is going for.
B
No, you don't. And that was the thing that I had to learn that I'm like, oh, maybe someone seeing me, seeing my show, meeting me after, maybe that's the highlight of their month. Yes, maybe that's the highlight of this, their week, their day, whatever.
C
Absolutely.
B
It's like, sure, I did the performance, I got joy from it. But it's like meeting me brought somebody joy. So like, why, why be weird about it? Like, we're sorry, I have to go.
C
No, baby, I'm here. I'm walking through the airport catching my flight. Baby, let's run and take these pictures. Cause I gotta go I gotta go. But we're walking.
B
We'll have a moment.
C
Yeah, I would give you that. It's okay to give people that.
B
I love that. Jasmine, I find you to be so effervescent and incredible a joy to fucking be around.
A
Do you have any advice for single
B
people out there who are looking?
C
Just go on a date. Just go. Even if they may not be your type, which is fine, but you never really know. If you don't just give a person a try. Cause it's a date. It's not saying you're going to go jump the swords with them. You're going on a date. And they may not be your physical connection, but you can make a friend out of that.
B
Yes.
C
And before you get in a relationship, you got to be friends with the person. And sometimes you may find out this person is giving me everything I'm asking for. The shell may not be what you want, but that heart and that mind is what you want and need. And hey, you gotta go with that if you want what you say you want. Now you say, I just want a guy that look really nice or a woman that look really nice. Okay, well what is she a bad person? What if he a bad person? What if they going upside your head? But you want this certain look. But. But they harden.
A
The inside's not right.
C
The inside's not right. So just go and get that steak.
A
Get that steak.
B
Get that overpriced steak.
C
Yes. And just have fun with it. It's a date.
A
I have another question. I ask all my guests this.
C
Okay.
B
Would you date me?
C
Of course.
B
Yay.
C
We would have so much fun. We would laugh all day.
B
Honestly, we would. I find you so funny and I'm
C
already doing this here something stupid.
A
Same.
B
I be stupid as hell all the damn time. Jasmine, do you have anything you want to promote?
C
You know, shit, I can't think right now. Let me see. I got some shit coming up. Oh, I am. I am in talks of doing. I have something to say.
B
Okay.
C
Again, so be looking out for that. But just look for me on my medias, my Instagram, Facebook and TikTok.
B
What are they? Ms. Jasmine Masters on everything.
C
Yeah, Msjasminmasters on TikTok and Instagram and then Facebook is just Jasmine Masters.
B
Okay.
C
And you would know it's me because I'm there. It ain't none of that. It's a lot of fake accounts out there. But you would say, okay, this is definitely.
B
This is the bitch. This is she right here.
C
This the real account here, here.
B
Okay, Jasmine thank you so much for being here.
C
Thanks for having me.
B
And if you like this episode of
A
why won't you date me?
B
You could like it.
A
You can rate it, subscribe, give me 5 stars on Apple Podcasts, and if you write me something nasty hitting on me to why won't you date me podcast@gmail.com I will read it out loud.
B
Please keep them on the shorter side.
A
This person writes hi Nicole, a fan of both your podcasts. I'll blindfold you and have you on your knees.
B
Oh, I'll drip warm candle wax on your left boob and come on.
C
Uh oh.
B
Once, once. Once the wax and cum has dried, you'll taste both and guess wishes come and wishes wax. Get it right, I'll reward you with a Sizzler dinner. Your random fan, Jason. Thank you, Jason.
C
Okay, Jason, little freak. Goodbye candles and come
B
that was a Headgum Podcast.
D
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C
That's how law works.
D
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C
Apparently.
Episode Title: My Worst Hookup Ever (w/ Jasmine Masters)
Date: February 27, 2026
Host: Nicole Byer
Guest: Jasmine Masters (RuPaul’s Drag Race Queen)
In this lively episode, Nicole Byer welcomes legendary drag queen Jasmine Masters for a hilarious and candid conversation about love, dating, self-acceptance, and, of course, some truly wild hookup stories. The discussion bounces from behind-the-scenes Drag Race tales to honest reflections on relationships, heartbreak, and the realities of life in the queer community. Jasmine brings her signature blend of humor, wisdom, and unfiltered storytelling, making this a memorable entry in the series.
Dating Advice:
"Just go on a date. … The shell may not be what you want, but that heart and that mind is what you want and need." [53:53]
Would Jasmine date Nicole?
"Of course. We would have so much fun. We would laugh all day." [55:02]
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The conversation is candid, raucous, and peppered with Jasmine’s hard-won wisdom and irreverent humor. Both Nicole and Jasmine speak in a lively, affirming tone, balancing wild tales with real talk about vulnerability, happiness, and treating others kindly—on dates, on stage, and in daily life.
For series fans and newcomers alike, this episode is a celebration of queer culture, self-love, hilarious mishaps, and heartfelt realness.