Setting Relationship Boundaries (w/ Trixie Mattel)

Summary

Why Won't You Date Me? with Nicole Byer

Episode: Setting Relationship Boundaries (w/ Trixie Mattel)

Release Date: June 5, 2026
Main Theme: Exploring boundaries in romantic, business, and personal relationships, with candid reflections on fame, authenticity, and the unique dynamics of queer communities.

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Episode Overview

Nicole Byer welcomes drag icon Trixie Mattel for a lively, unfiltered conversation about setting boundaries—romantically, socially, and online. The two dive into nostalgia for Drag Race, the intricacies of queer relationships, the realities of working with loved ones, navigating public attention, and maintaining authenticity as public figures. Amid laughter, drag wisdom, and reality-TV deconstructions, gems of real advice and insider moments shine throughout.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trixie’s Unique Fanbase & Consent Culture

• Trixie laughs about her devoted following of young lesbian fans:

  "If men my age wanted me the way 19 year old lesbians do... Like sapphic girls are like that’s my wife. Trixie and Katya are my lesbian wives." (02:09)

• Respect from female fans:

  "Nobody's gonna respect your boundaries like female fans... They’re still like, can I touch you?" (02:17)

2. Drag Race Season 7: The “Messy” Favorite

• Nicole’s comfort show:

  "I have seen [Season 7] so many times... It's my comfort show; it makes me so happy." (11:36, 11:41)

• Trixie reflects on the oddity and enduring fame from that season:

  "Season seven was so odd and unflinching... But there’s a lot of working drag queens who've had major impact from that season." (12:20, 12:49)

• Memorable moments recalled: the all-acting challenges, infamously bizarre scripts, Kennedy’s “crystallized chicken,” Ms. Fame’s “How’s your head” confusion.
• Nicole’s perspective:

  "After two [actors], you'd think the producers would shift... but they were like, we won’t." (10:17)

3. Working with a Romantic Partner – The Trixie Motel Story

• The joys and stress of building something big together:

  "Creating with someone you love is such a fun, cool feeling... But we were doing all [renovating, reality TV, business] at the same time." (29:11, 29:32)

• Setting boundaries and planning for change:

  "You have to also imagine, what if our relationship changes and this business outlasts us?" (32:43)

• Nicole echoes trust and boundaries with her own best friend/collaborator, Sasheer.

4. Setting Social & Hosting Boundaries

• Trixie’s direct approach as host:

  "If I hadn’t put [an end time], would they still be at my house now?... But Nicole was like, damn, bitch, get in the pool and go home." (45:15, 45:36)

• On the lost art of hospitality:

  "When I go places and there’s not snacks and drinks, I’m like, then why are people over?" (46:57)

• Nicole’s candid confession:

  "But guess what? I never have snacks at my house... I am bad." (47:06)

5. Navigating Fame, Privacy, and Boundaries Online

• Guarding loved ones’ privacy:

  "When everyone knew what David looked like, he could no longer go drink at the bar during a show." (62:13)

• On boundary evolution:

  "I used to have very little boundaries about, like social media... I've gotten a lot more permission-seeking." (63:20)

• On oversharing/performing sadness online:

  "The really good or really bad parts of your life are less fun to have to share." (64:46)

6. Reality TV: Authenticity vs. Performance

• On the importance of being real:

  "Nothing is more interesting than what really happened." (69:19)

• Dangers of self-producing:

  "If you bomb something, just tell me... They don’t want to hear 'I thought I ate.' Because they're going to be like, but you didn’t." (69:22)

• Traitors/Secret Hitler and the “emotional duress” of reality TV games (71:17–74:44)

7. Dating Advice and Red Flags

• Trixie on bad dates:

  "He said, 'This is my first week off my antipsychotics.'... Oh, now I have the guy in my house that I don't know, who is in a disguise." (55:20)

• On dealbreakers and connection:

  "Maybe if I would have connected with him, I bet I would have gotten over it... So I bet there was also just really no connection." (57:39)

• On openness in relationships:

  "I think one of the problems I see in the gay community is that people are really unwilling to accept anything outside of, like, an idea of what they want... People are not open to different types, to dates that don’t go well." (58:06)

• Trixie’s long-term dating tip:

  "You have to kiss a lot of frogs. It is a game of numbers... I do believe in when you know, you know. Every single boyfriend I’ve had, I knew on the first date we were going to be together." (76:13, 77:05)

8. Social Media, Fans, and Boundaries

• Trixie on fan engagement and consent:

  “They could have a tattoo of you and they’re still like, can I touch you?” (82:35)

• Nicole on crossing the line:

  "This is a comment that felt a little too close to home. Little too real. Don’t get that comfortable." (84:12–84:40)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On hospitality:
  Nicole: “When I go to someone’s home and there’s not nary a snack, I say, why did I leave my fucking house?” (47:00)
• On queer/female fan respect:
  Trixie: “Nobody’s gonna respect your boundaries like female fans... even if they have a tattoo of you.” (02:17)
• On reality TV:
  Trixie: “The golden rule of reality tv is that nothing is more interesting than what really happened.” (69:19)
• On “The Traitors”/Secret Hitler:
  Nicole: “It took so much out of me, lying to everybody... it’s too much! How do people do this every single day?” (72:24)
• On open relationships, change, and love:
  Trixie: “You have to also imagine, what if our friendship/relationship changes and the business outlasts us?” (32:43)
• Dating advice:
  Trixie: “Be open to anything—not settle—but open. Not ‘he just has to be 6'5" and named Diego.’” (78:43)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:09] – Trixie on lesbian fans, consent
• [09:53] – Discussion of Drag Race Season 7
• [29:10] – Working with a romantic partner (Trixie Motel)
• [32:43] – Setting expectations when going into business with someone close
• [45:15] – Social boundary-setting (party hosting, Nicole's reactions)
• [62:13] – Fame and protecting a partner's privacy
• [69:19] – Reality TV: authenticity vs. performance
• [76:13] – Trixie’s dating advice

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Tone & Style

The episode is sharp, irreverent, and full of playful banter, with emotional sincerity and warmth. Nicole’s comedic candor pairs perfectly with Trixie’s dry wit and reflective honesty. The conversation moves with the easy rhythm of chosen family, mixing serious insights with in-jokes and drag wisdom throughout.

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Takeaways for Listeners

• Boundaries are essential everywhere: from relationships to creativity, hospitality to social media.
• Be more open in dating—the “checklist” mentality can kill connection before it starts.
• Queer spaces cultivate unique forms of respect and community—especially around consent and boundaries.
• Fame changes what you share, and it’s wise to evolve your boundaries over time.
• Whether hosting or dating: snacks, honesty, and a sense of humor go a long way.
• In both love and life, keep it real—the real story is always more compelling than the manufactured one.

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End of Episode Summary

Transcript

[Nicole Byer]

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[Trixie Mattel]

If men my age wanted me the way 19 year old lesbians do, like

[Nicole Byer]

oh my God, have you ever gotten to the bottom of that?

[Trixie Mattel]

I don't know.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah, your demo is just young 20

[Trixie Mattel]

year old like sapphic girls are like that's my wife Trixie and Katya are my lesbian wives. Yeah, but you know what? It's very loving and nobody's gonna respect your boundaries like female fans. They could have a tattoo of you and they're still like can I touch you?

[Nicole Byer]

That's very, very funny.

[Trixie Mattel]

And like young girls asking old white men for Consent to touch them. Wacky. You know what I mean?

[Nicole Byer]

Flipping the script, diva. Why won't you date me? Why won't you date me? Why won't you date me? Please tell me why. Ooh, baby. Welcome to another episode of why Won't yout Date Me? A podcast where me, Nicole Byer, was trying to figure out why I was so sick single, even though you could come on a desk and tell me that's a keyboard. My guest today is a legendary drag queen who competed on RuPaul's Drag Race Season 7, which is my. Honestly, my favorite season, even though people say it's not a good season, but I'll tell you why in a second. Went on to win All Stars season three. She's the founder of the makeup brand Trixie Cosmetics, hosts her own massively popular YouTube channel. You can hear her co hosting the podcast the Bald and the Beautiful, and you can see her around America on her Solid Pink Disco tour. I'm so excited she's back. She was once on the podcast on the 63rd episode in 2019, before the pandemic. It's Trixie. Mada.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, my God. I feel like I have. Have I only been on this once?

[Nicole Byer]

Only? Yeah, once in my mind.

[Trixie Mattel]

I've done it several times.

[Nicole Byer]

Nope, just one time. But you are more than welcome to come back whenever you want.

[Trixie Mattel]

Do you know what it is? I do listen. And so I think what happens is I think I'm talking to you. I talk to. If I listen to podcasts a lot, I think I'm the other host. I think I'm in it.

[Nicole Byer]

You're not the only one.

[Trixie Mattel]

Okay, good.

[Nicole Byer]

My sister sometimes will get on the phone, and she'll be like, oh. She'll say something that she heard on the podcast, and then I have to go, what? Did I tell you that? And she's like, oh, no, no, no, sorry. I was listening to the podcast, and then I had to tell her to stop listening to it and just call me.

[Trixie Mattel]

Stop listening. Well, somebody told Katy, and I. My friend Vanessa was like, oh, I listen to Bald and Beautiful while I drive. And her friend goes, I watch it while I drive. I was like, okay, I think we need to pull back from the YouTube watching. Yeah, and I love YouTube. I think I love YouTube, but if

[Nicole Byer]

you're gonna drive, just drive. I was in an Uber, and I said, can we listen to some music? And he said, sure. Then he put YouTube on the screen, and as he was driving, was like, oh, that's a good song. And I was like, You. You have to look at the road. What are we doing?

[Trixie Mattel]

I know at this point, the waymos are safer, I think.

[Nicole Byer]

I can't do away, girl.

[Trixie Mattel]

I've never done it. I was biking. I also bike in Hollywood, though, which is like. That's why I know I was biking yesterday, and I was biking next to a Waymo, and I was like, if you got to get sideswiped by a Waymo on a bike, like, they'll be my.

[Nicole Byer]

It's going to happen.

[Trixie Mattel]

That could be, like, my Aaron Brockovich, like, PG&E story. Like, I don't want to get hurt.

[Nicole Byer]

Sure.

[Trixie Mattel]

But I want to angle in a way where it's like, AI targeted me.

[Nicole Byer]

Trixie, you're gonna have to get a little hurt to get the money.

[Trixie Mattel]

What if I just, like, ride next to Waymo, throw myself on the ground, have a neck brace, you know?

[Nicole Byer]

Well, because they have. They have cameras on the sides, I guess.

[Trixie Mattel]

Who's. Who's gonna, like. Don't you think no driver is still better than a gay driver? I'd rather get in a Waymo than, like, a gay person. We were doing the Queerty Awards, and I had this little monologue, and we were talking about my new business venture is gonna be Gay Mo, where it's no driver, but it's the worst music you've ever heard, and it's like a curb shot every couple blocks. The worst driving, worst music.

[Nicole Byer]

Honestly, I think that's really funny. Yeah, I would do that. I would do that.

[Trixie Mattel]

What do you think about. Do you smoke cigarettes?

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

You do? How often?

[Nicole Byer]

Every day.

[Trixie Mattel]

No, you don't.

[Nicole Byer]

I'm a smoker, baby.

[Trixie Mattel]

Shut up. Do you smoke in the car?

[Nicole Byer]

No.

[Trixie Mattel]

Because people love to smoke in the car, and I think that's crazy.

[Nicole Byer]

I used to love smoking in the car.

[Trixie Mattel]

It's a whole thing, right? It's a whole ritual.

[Nicole Byer]

It is, and it's beautiful. And I used to use my ashtray. What? And then just, like, hanging out the wind sometimes. Okay. If I'm in, like, a panic or I haven't had one and I've got a long drive, I'll smoke it in the car, but all the windows are down because I just don't want my car to smell like stale smoke.

[Trixie Mattel]

And it will.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes. Quickly.

[Trixie Mattel]

Quickly.

[Nicole Byer]

One will be.

[Trixie Mattel]

And you won't smell it. No non smokers will.

[Nicole Byer]

You smoke?

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

But. Yeah, I used to love it. My old Honda Civic. Ugh. Stunt.

[Trixie Mattel]

Those are made for smoking stunk. I think when you get a Civic, it comes with a pack of Cigarettes. And you just have to smoke.

[Nicole Byer]

You just gotta light up.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

Why do you ask?

[Trixie Mattel]

I don't know.

[Nicole Byer]

Do you smoke?

[Trixie Mattel]

No. I think I was thinking about. Oh, gays. Smoking and driving. And, like, I've had friends tell me that when they're trying to quit smoking, the driving is. This is the hardest part because they're used to the ritual of the driving and the smoking.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes. Most of smoking is just a ritual. I read this book called the Easy Way to Quit by Allen Carr, and I got to. I don't know, the last, like, four pages, maybe the last chapter. And I was like, ugh, I want to quit. So I closed it, put it away, and didn't quit.

[Trixie Mattel]

So it sounds like you almost quit and then change your mind. When you really think about what that story is, you had quitting in sight and you said four more pages. This is where I draw the line.

[Nicole Byer]

Absolutely.

[Trixie Mattel]

Well, do you feel cool? Like, I've never smoked a cigarette. Do you feel cool or what's it about?

[Nicole Byer]

You never smoked a cigarette?

[Trixie Mattel]

No. What's it about? Because when I'm smoking weed, I don't feel cool.

[Nicole Byer]

Okay. In high school, I was friends with this guy named Dan. Very gay. In high school, I only had gay friends.

[Trixie Mattel]

What's changed?

[Nicole Byer]

Nothing. Nothing. But Dan was like. Dan smoked. Dan drove a white Dodge Shadow, which is just like a boxy sedan, and he would smoke out the window. And I was like, God, he looks so cool. And he was like, do you smoke? And I was like, yeah. And then he gave me one. And then I was like, ooh, I don't smoke. And then I was like, I will learn how to smoke so I can smoke.

[Trixie Mattel]

Right.

[Nicole Byer]

So then I would, like, be in my garage just, like, chain smoking cigarettes, making myself sick until I got addicted.

[Trixie Mattel]

That's really fierce, girl.

[Nicole Byer]

Thank you. I did this to myself.

[Trixie Mattel]

I think it's the tenacity of the human spirit. When I talk about Nicole, we talk about boundless determination.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

We talk about follow through.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes, yes. I followed through. I said I want my lungs to be bad, but I just gave you

[Trixie Mattel]

a hug, and you don't smell like smoke. So what's the secret?

[Nicole Byer]

I haven't had one today. Oh.

[Trixie Mattel]

Because I feel like it's hard when you have long hair, too. It's like, this is my. My smoke, my smoke, my smoke blanket that I wear on my head. Do you know what I mean?

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

Like, hair collects smoke smells.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes. So easily. When you go to a restaurant, sometimes you leave and you're like, oh, my hair Smells like the restaurant.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. Oh, for sure, for sure. I mean, I don't. You can smoke around me. I don't think my scalp is going to pick up the smell.

[Nicole Byer]

How long have you been bald?

[Trixie Mattel]

I mean, I was born bald.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah. Most of us were.

[Trixie Mattel]

I was born bald, but I've been

[Nicole Byer]

shaving to think about that.

[Trixie Mattel]

I was like, yeah, I was. My grandpa used to say I was born at a very young age, which I, like, loved. Stupid. Let's see. I started shaving my head in the summers when I was, like, 22. So then one summer, I just kept doing it. Maybe like 26, 25. I had hair on Drag Race, but then maybe shaved after that.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

Season seven of Drag Race. Why do you like it?

[Nicole Byer]

It is my absolute favorite season.

[Trixie Mattel]

Why?

[Nicole Byer]

I have seen it so many times.

[Trixie Mattel]

Why?

[Nicole Byer]

Because every act or every challenge is an acting challenge.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yes.

[Nicole Byer]

With. And then the group of girls. There are very few actors in the group. So it's like after two actors, it's

[Trixie Mattel]

like just Kennedy and Ginger.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

That's all there is for good acting.

[Nicole Byer]

After two, you'd think the producers would go, oh, we gotta shift to see what these girls strong suits are. And they were like, we won't.

[Trixie Mattel]

It was like exposure therapy for drag queens who've never read a script. They were like, so eight challenges of acting in a row.

[Nicole Byer]

I mean, that's basically what it was.

[Trixie Mattel]

And no tea. They're not gonna be funny.

[Nicole Byer]

No.

[Trixie Mattel]

The writing's shake square bad.

[Nicole Byer]

Shake a. Was it shakesqueer or shake a Squeer? Shake squeer.

[Trixie Mattel]

Girl. I'm, like, so blacked out from it, but I remember reading it and thinking, like, okay, sure. Katya and I did a re on the Bold and the Beautiful. We rewatched season seven last summer, and I hadn't seen it in 10 years. It's 10 years old now. So I was like, wow, this is, like, all acting number one. Yeah. And not altogether funny.

[Nicole Byer]

No.

[Trixie Mattel]

Like, ru. Hollywood stories is weird.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

They're all weird.

[Nicole Byer]

They're all insane challenges. And I love it. I had Jasmine Masters on, and I was telling her how much I loved it, and she was like, girl, I was half of the whole thing. Because one of my favorite moments is a cocoon. So it comes out of a cocoon, and then a butterfly comes out of a cocoon. So is it a cocoon? I just.

[Trixie Mattel]

We lived it.

[Nicole Byer]

I've seen the season no less than maybe 15 times.

[Trixie Mattel]

You're lying.

[Nicole Byer]

I have seen it so many times.

[Trixie Mattel]

Jesus. You know, there is a It's my comfort show.

[Nicole Byer]

It makes me so happy.

[Trixie Mattel]

It's my discomfort show.

[Nicole Byer]

Ms. Fame not understanding how's your head is so deeply funny to me.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, that's pretty awesome. There's a lot to it. I mean, there's. Kennedy's. Great. I'm so happy she's on Drag Race again. They just announced that she's on Drag Race again.

[Nicole Byer]

I know. I'm so excited to see her. That's one of my favorite lip syncs of all time. Kennedy versus Katya. Oh, yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

Roar.

[Nicole Byer]

When she jumps right off that stage. Roar.

[Trixie Mattel]

Great. I love Kennedy's ugly dress when she's the old lady. The church lady.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

I love the. I was. I didn't die. I was a crystallized.

[Nicole Byer]

Crystallized chicken.

[Trixie Mattel]

That's crazy. It really is crazy. Season seven was a different time. And, like, season six was so good, and then season seven was so odd and unflinching. Like, it just stayed weird. It was like, you know, when a joke's funny the third time and the 11th time.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

That season occupied four through 10 the times it wasn't funny and, like, wouldn't give up. Yes.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes. And it was like, no, no, we're gonna keep doing this.

[Trixie Mattel]

But there's a lot of working drag queens who've had major impact from that season.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

Like, a lot of named, like, drag queens of name that people would still know.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

So I don't know what that is. Like, Violet still working. Like, a lot of these people are still be working all the time.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes. Katya and I, because it was a good season, dare I say, you and Katya are maybe the most successful from the franchise.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. We never even. We weren't even friends on Drag Race. We barely spoke.

[Nicole Byer]

That's because Katya was best friends with Ginger.

[Trixie Mattel]

She was best friends with Ginger, and also she was in the old lady brigade. And I was lumped in with the young, skinny, white fashion people, which I wasn't. So I was like, yeah, that's me, too. I'm just like Violet.

[Nicole Byer]

I'm just like everybody else.

[Trixie Mattel]

When you guys think of Fame and Pearl, I want you to think of me as Trixie Mattel. Yes. I'm also stunning, but also when you

[Nicole Byer]

go home and you're like, I didn't get to tap dance. It's.

[Trixie Mattel]

I don't. Girl, It's.

[Nicole Byer]

It's so funny.

[Trixie Mattel]

It's really. I don't know what. I wish I could go back in time and have you be on the season with us as, you know, just another drag queen.

[Nicole Byer]

I would love to have been there. It is like, the divine challenge. The eggs. Eggs. Like, it's all so funny to me.

[Trixie Mattel]

It's crazy. Live piano playing with the. Live singing with the piano accompanist the down water. Shit. It's crazy.

[Nicole Byer]

RuPaul yelling at you guys during Shakesqueer.

[Trixie Mattel]

I wasn't on stage for that, but I remember them coming off stage and being, like, shell shocked. I remember Pearl being like, RuPaul, like, just screamed at us.

[Nicole Byer]

It's perfect because it's like you. You're yelling at the girls, but you had a hand. You knew what the challenge was.

[Trixie Mattel]

Right.

[Nicole Byer]

You know, you probably saw a little bit of it.

[Trixie Mattel]

It's the blonde leading the blonde, for sure.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

And it's a really crazy. And then I think of jazz and masters in the shakes grouping like basic bitches. Not wanted. Like, the most wooden deliveries of, like, heightened language, but heightened language written by, like, a gay pa.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

Like, it's not. This isn't, like, collegiate. This isn't Hamlet. This is. This is, like, some gay guy who Googled Shakespeare.

[Nicole Byer]

Yep. And was like, I don't know. They'll say it like this.

[Trixie Mattel]

And it's like cheerleading tryouts. Shakespeare cheerleading tryouts. And it was like a live. Like a stage with a set.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

There's, like, a castle that we don't use.

[Nicole Byer]

Well, Pearl used it because Pearl pops up.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, yeah. And Pearl hits that tree.

[Nicole Byer]

But nobody told Pearl that. As soon as you pop. If you can see, the camera can see you. So she pops up, steadies herself, and then says her line. That's so funny.

[Trixie Mattel]

It's really something.

[Nicole Byer]

It's my favorite. I love it. I like it more than season six. Season six, to me, is not that fun.

[Trixie Mattel]

Season six is, like, genuinely, really good. Like, genuinely very good characters. And, like, I don't know, Bianca Del

[Nicole Byer]

Rio, from the jump, I was like, well, she's gonna win. And then she won.

[Trixie Mattel]

And, yeah, she kind of does stuff on the hose.

[Nicole Byer]

Like, season five is so fun because you got Roxxxy Andrews hating Jinx Monsoon.

[Trixie Mattel]

That's the best shit ever. Like, I don't even get me started, because obviously we've done Pit Stop together. When I was doing Pit Stop. I love doing Pit Stop, but it's. We are. We need to get the drag queens less afraid of fans.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

Drag queens used to be like Chanel. They used to just be like, I don't fucking care.

[Nicole Byer]

Well, that's why I like Mistress Isabella Brooks so much.

[Trixie Mattel]

She really.

[Nicole Byer]

She doesn't give a fuck she'll start shit with any old person. And I love it.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, plain. Plain.

[Nicole Byer]

I love that. Very, very mean.

[Trixie Mattel]

And she doesn't care.

[Nicole Byer]

Be mean, King. Very funny.

[Trixie Mattel]

Very funny.

[Nicole Byer]

But also very shady.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yes, but also plain and mistress. I think the way their brain works, too, is like, the worst thing I could do is be dishonest with you. Like, I think they actually feel kind of like, what are you gonna do? Be mad at me? Cause I told you I didn't like what you had on. And when you put it that way, it's like, yeah, who cares if some drag queen doesn't like what you had on?

[Nicole Byer]

Who gives a shit? Who cares?

[Trixie Mattel]

You know, as much as, like, Katya and I always joke about as much as drag queens will joke about Katya and I like, you know, the work we get to do or whatever. The drag queens are never like, well, we wish we looked just like you and Katya. It's like, nobody's ever like, Katya that outfit. Wish I had that Trixie. Oh, my God, I w. I could do my make, you know, I wish I looked just like you. Nobody's ever saying that to us.

[Nicole Byer]

I don't know. Don't you have a full time impersonator?

[Trixie Mattel]

She just retired. She just retired. She just retired. And you know what? Nobody understands getting sick of being me more than me. When she announced that she was retiring, I was like, you, you did a great job and you've lasted longer than. Than the second.

[Nicole Byer]

Did she retire from drag as a whole or just impersonating you?

[Trixie Mattel]

I think both. Oh, okay. But I'm not sure. But she did a wonderful job and she was younger and thinner than me, and so I always was like, yes, that's my double. Here she is. But, yeah, she announced on Instagram that she's retiring and she started selling off all the Trixie wigs. I almost bought one of them.

[Nicole Byer]

I was like, that's very funny to buy a Trixie wig from a Trixie impersonator.

[Trixie Mattel]

You need one.

[Nicole Byer]

I would love one.

[Trixie Mattel]

You need an impersonator. You don't even have to show up anymore. Who do we get?

[Nicole Byer]

Who do we get?

[Trixie Mattel]

Meatball. Meatball. Oh, my God. That one time.

[Nicole Byer]

Well, we have been mistaken for one another.

[Trixie Mattel]

You look well, you've kind of done. When I put you in Trixie drag, you kind of looked like Meatball. Yes, but we haven't put Meatball in Nicole drag, so maybe we could get hair like this with, like, the vans and get her in here. If you ever had me. Have you had Meatball in this?

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

Have her back and have her dress like you and have her sit over there.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, and then interview me.

[Trixie Mattel]

Trial run.

[Nicole Byer]

Wait, you said you bike ride around Hollywood?

[Trixie Mattel]

I have a bike. Yeah, I bike. Sometimes I bike. I mean I bike to my studio. So it's like a two mile bike ride across Hollywood, but I take Hollywood Boulevard for like half of it because there's a bike lane.

[Nicole Byer]

Okay.

[Trixie Mattel]

So do you think it's safer to take side streets or be on the streets that are busy enough to have a bike lane? Like, what is the safer?

[Nicole Byer]

I think it's safer to be on the streets that are busy enough to have a bike lane. But you also run too, right?

[Trixie Mattel]

Not so much anymore. My arthritis. I can't really run anymore.

[Nicole Byer]

How did you get into fitness?

[Trixie Mattel]

Covid. I mean, I got really into running during COVID so I started doing marathon stuff.

[Nicole Byer]

Have you ran a marathon?

[Trixie Mattel]

Uh huh.

[Nicole Byer]

26.2 miles.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. But then I just started doing smaller distances and then when I got my inflammatory arthritis, I had to pull back on really any exercise that was like high impact. Because I'm always trying to get my nervous system like de escalated for my. For me to feel the healthiest, I have to keep berries in.

[Nicole Byer]

Interesting. I do low impact exercising with a nice man on the Internet named Daniel.

[Trixie Mattel]

On Zoom?

[Nicole Byer]

No. I just look at his videos on YouTube.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh.

[Nicole Byer]

And I just like follow along. It's like I tried to do Taebo. I did Taebo for two days. Do you know Taebo with Billy Blanks?

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

It is not low impact and it's really hard and it killed me.

[Trixie Mattel]

He does not have a low impact body. He has a high impact body.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes. And he wants you to do high impact in your living room and be hopping and stepping and kicking. And I was like, well, I simply can't do that.

[Trixie Mattel]

Right.

[Nicole Byer]

So we're gonna do these nice videos where this man goes, I do low impact. Cause I have bad knees and I go, me too. And they're a half hour and they're really nice.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, I. I really loved running it just now. I'm at a point where if I push my system too much for like extended discomfort like that, my body starts to attack itself, inflame itself like a fever. Oh, it's horrible.

[Nicole Byer]

I'm so sorry.

[Trixie Mattel]

I got, I'm kind of getting one now. Do you feel it? Feel my skin?

[Nicole Byer]

Oh yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

You're kind of warm. Yeah. So it's not like contagious, but basically my body thinks that it needs to it auto attack itself.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, no. Maybe take your hat off. It is warm in here. Sorry. It is warm.

[Trixie Mattel]

We don't run head gum. We don't run air conditioning down at the head gum.

[Nicole Byer]

Isn't it rude?

[Trixie Mattel]

Can you believe you've been at head gum for.

[Nicole Byer]

I've been at head. So I started at head gum, then I went to Team Coco, and then I came home to head gum.

[Trixie Mattel]

Head Goom Head game. Remember I was thinking the other day, do you remember when you and I were doing the belly flop competition? We were. We were hosting on Jimmy Kimmel. You and I were hosting the belly flop competition with Shaun White.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, my God, yes. I absolutely forgot. That's who the third person was.

[Trixie Mattel]

Me, you and Shaun. Love that you only remember us. Shaun White.

[Nicole Byer]

I was like, me and my best friend. Drexing.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yep. Me, you. And then I remember the first person to do. You were in full glam. I think you had, like, a braided updo with glam. You had a glam. You were in glam. And the first belly flop, the splash, was so severe that the wave of water hit you in the face, just knock. Knocked out your contacts.

[Nicole Byer]

Just me.

[Trixie Mattel]

Just you?

[Nicole Byer]

Just me. My contact was knocked out and I was like, well, all right, you can't do anything. I didn't have another contact. So then I just, like, couldn't see. And then I remember the car ride home, I was, like, kind of vaguely wet and, like, with one eye closed.

[Trixie Mattel]

And it was the first beginning of the segment, so Jimmy was like, all right, first belly flop, immediately drowns her. And then you were the first. So then they go, all right, first step. Nicole, what did you think? And you were, like, choking.

[Nicole Byer]

Sorry. I think it was really. It was really good.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. And I remember it was Shaun White. I'd never seen. I mean, I didn't realize in person, he was so handsome. And he.

[Nicole Byer]

He's very handsome.

[Trixie Mattel]

Very handsome with his beautiful short red hair. And I remember he was like, oh, he watched Drag Race, I think, and he was like, congratulations on Drag Race. I was like, thank you. Congratulations on your four Olympic gold medals. But thank you for saying that about Drag Race.

[Nicole Byer]

It is really funny when you meet someone who's, like, really done a thing, and they're like, you've done things, too. And you're like, no, not really.

[Trixie Mattel]

No, you not like.

[Nicole Byer]

You Olympic.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

Like, that's wild. Imagine being so good at a sport that you, like, win medals and compete with other people.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, I know. I just did the Queerties and we gave an award to Gus Kenworthy and I was like, God, you're an Olympian. You're an Olympian.

[Nicole Byer]

It's wild.

[Trixie Mattel]

I find that type of, like, to me, it's because sports, being good at sports is so beyond my reach and my comprehension.

[Nicole Byer]

Correct.

[Trixie Mattel]

That I'm like, you have done something that has blown my mind.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

I can't imagine being you for a

[Nicole Byer]

minute, and you've done it so consistently for such a long time. And, like, when you wanted to give up, you didn't.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

I mean, there is an ice cream shop. There's a Foster's Freeze that's like a mile away from my house. I have tried to walk there three times, and I have given up each time.

[Trixie Mattel]

What do you do, just lay down or do you turn around and go home?

[Nicole Byer]

I just lay down right in the middle of the street and I go, somebody take me to the ice cream. No, I turn around and go home.

[Trixie Mattel]

You call one of those Uber helicopters, come get me. The Waymo. The Waymo.

[Nicole Byer]

I could. I could call a Waymo. No, I'll just turn around and walk home. I usually get about, like, 10 minutes down, and then I go, you don't even like walking?

[Trixie Mattel]

No. Little power walk. No. Okay. Okay.

[Nicole Byer]

I don't really like exercise.

[Trixie Mattel]

Okay.

[Nicole Byer]

And I've lost, like, some weight, and now I'm just trying to maintain it and I'm like, oh. And now I actually do understand how I gained the weight in the first place. It's cause you munch, munch, munch, and then you don't walk around.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. I mean, walking is really a magic trick for a lot of things.

[Nicole Byer]

It's annoying.

[Trixie Mattel]

It's really helpful. Like, it's good for your mood, it helps with back pain.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah. It solves a lot of fucking problems.

[Trixie Mattel]

It solves a lot of problems.

[Nicole Byer]

It's so annoying.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, I know.

[Nicole Byer]

Trixie, we have to take a break.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, okay. Well, fuck me then.

[Nicole Byer]

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[Trixie Mattel]

Oh my God. At least you're calling for breaks. Katya and I never do that. And then the ad just like starts in the middle. It'll be like, girl, I was at lax. Today's episode of Bald and the Beautiful is brought to you.

[Nicole Byer]

Whatever, who cares? People like it. Can I ask a question?

[Trixie Mattel]

No. Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

About working with someone that you're romantic with on a business venture.

[Trixie Mattel]

Uh huh.

[Nicole Byer]

Was that hard?

[Trixie Mattel]

Um, I would say in some ways it was the best, most magical. It was a very magical time. Like it was. Creating with someone you love is like such a fun, cool feeling. And I get that feeling with Katya. I get that feeling with, you know, when you get to work with anybody. But because the Trixie Motel was like, I would have never done that on my own. So, like, you know, David and I really put both our like, brains and blood and sweat into it. I would say renovating is stressful. Reality TV is stressful. And so like opening a business is stressful. Renovating is stressful. And making a reality TV show stressful. And we were doing all three at the same time. So I would say, if anything, I know you know what this is like. Cameras being around usually just brings out what's really going on.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

So I'd say, all things considered, there's that moment sometimes where you feel like it's been a long day, whatever, and you feel the camera lens and you want to almost look at it and be like, please go away. You want to do that housewives thing where you're like, don't film me right now.

[Nicole Byer]

Don't film me. I'm done.

[Trixie Mattel]

But I would say, honestly, to keep it some pretty positive. It's probably the most. It was like the most magical to be making something. I remember the day we revealed the first room, the Pink Flamingo Suite. I remember seeing it finished for the first time and being like, oh, my God. The power of creating with someone you love and trust. Cause you have to have a lot of trust to do something that big.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

So when you think about doing a project that big with just a business partner, that seems crazy. I know you're not supposed to work with people you are in family with or anything, but to me, it almost felt like making such a big life decision with somebody you genuinely trust outside of business felt safer.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

You know, we could be more ambitious because we always were just like, we always knew that we were making something really cool that was, like, bigger than our relationship.

[Nicole Byer]

I love that. And I work with Sasheer, who's like my best, best friend in the whole wide world. Your wife and your wife. She is my wife. My work wife.

[Trixie Mattel]

Are you guys gonna do a motel?

[Nicole Byer]

We are.

[Trixie Mattel]

Are you really?

[Nicole Byer]

No.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, Monet just did a prank call. She called Katya and said, like, do you think I'm thinking of opening the Mo Motel in Palm Springs? She asked Katya, do you think Trixie would be mad? And Katya was like, I don't know, girl. I would give her, like, a heads up. I mean, I wouldn't be mad, but

[Nicole Byer]

I would be interesting.

[Trixie Mattel]

Interesting. Of all the cities in the world. Yeah. Could have done Burbank. Okay. But could have done Studio City, Pasadena, something.

[Nicole Byer]

I'm dying. I would love for there to be a drag, like a drag themed hotel in Burbank.

[Trixie Mattel]

The Momotel.

[Nicole Byer]

The Momotel right by the Burbank Airport.

[Trixie Mattel]

But would you ever do. Is that like.

[Nicole Byer]

Well, we haven't talked about, like, a business venture together or we'll be, like, lightly talked about it. We've just never, like, followed through on it. But there is nobody I trust more than her. So it feels like we have a strong enough relationship that, like, if, like, nothing could happen in a business venture that would, like, make us not want to work together. And I know that, like, I know we would always figure it out. So, like, I do think it'd be fun. But we're not romantic. That's like, the only thing where I'd be like, oh, like the nice man in my life. I don't know if we'd ever go into business together. No, maybe we would. Cause he usually just says yes to the things I want.

[Trixie Mattel]

Right.

[Nicole Byer]

I mean, that's healthy, right?

[Trixie Mattel]

I guess, like, I feel comfortable with you. So I'll just tell you, like, when you open a business with somebody who's your. In your life that you care about, you have to also imagine, what if our friendship relationship changes and this business outlasts us? What do we do? So I will say I think it's important to think about that stuff. Like, could. It's kind of like, could you co parent if you weren't together?

[Nicole Byer]

Yes. Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

You know, and we always knew, like, the Motel and what we. Like, we believed in it, we love it. And we always knew, like, whatever our shit was the Motel. The Motel and what it stands for and what it means to people. And like, our co. Love and pride. We have so much pride in the Motel was gonna probably outlive our. Like, we were gonna die being proud of that Motel. So it was like, in a way, I hate to say, it's like a. It's an art and business venture that felt bigger than our. Bigger than a personal relationship.

[Nicole Byer]

I don't think that's something you should hate saying. I think that's really incredible to build

[Trixie Mattel]

something unconditional, like our relationship to each other becomes unconditional because of this link.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes. And honestly, what a lovely thing to create with a partner. Like, the Motel is so cool.

[Trixie Mattel]

It's so. You've been several times. Amazing.

[Nicole Byer]

It's incredible. It's. It really is fun to, like, I don't know, see something that was, like, dreamt up in somebody's brain, like, be actualized.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, my God, Like, I can't even tell you. I mean, we made that maybe four years ago now, maybe five years. I can't even tell. When was the first season? 2021. When we recorded it. Maybe long time ago now.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah, it was a while. It was after the pandemic, maybe five years ago now.

[Trixie Mattel]

But, like, I remember seeing it come together for the first time, seeing, like, the first finished suite and being like, oh, my God, we did it. We're doing it. Like, if we could finish one of these suites and have it be amazing, I was like, this is actually gonna work. And I mean, Again, so much of what made that motel good was like being deeply entrusting with another co creator. So I don't know, like, if you. If some random business guy was like, do you wanna open a motel? You just wouldn't have the same approach. Because it's not a labor of love.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

The motel was like, such a labor of love. And so when you go there, you're like, wow, this is not a chain hotel. This is like, no.

[Nicole Byer]

And that's what I love the most about it. Because I was honest ashir about this recently. I was like, we went to this hotel. It was definitely a sex hotel in New Jersey, but they had a champagne fluted tub. And I was like, why, why don't. Why don't more hotels have fun things in them?

[Trixie Mattel]

Because it's like, what's a champagne fluted tub?

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, so it's a tub in the shape of a champagne flute. You've never seen one?

[Trixie Mattel]

What? So it's like you climb into a champagne glass.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

You're lying.

[Nicole Byer]

No.

[Trixie Mattel]

Did you get in it?

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

Was it awesome?

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

Wow.

[Nicole Byer]

I loved it so much.

[Trixie Mattel]

How do they clean it?

[Nicole Byer]

I cleaned it. Well, I'm sure they clean it, but

[Trixie Mattel]

you also cleaned it.

[Nicole Byer]

I was like, yeah, I don't. It's a sex hotel. I don't. I don't know. So I. I carry Lysol with me when I travel. So I just, you know, sprayed it, rinsed it out, wiped it down.

[Trixie Mattel]

I follow this Instagram where people clean up crime scenes. Oh. And a lot of like, pig. They show. They post pictures of like before and after of like, clean up crime scenes. And usually it's like, if it. If it's ever a hot tub, it's like a body that was in there for days. And like, how do you clean out the jets and stuff of the dead body juices? Sorry. I don't know. I just been. I can't unfollow because it'll be like, oh, this was a deep composition. It'll be like a person's shape of a body. Like a wet spot in a bed with like the oils and the blood and the secretions and like that in like hot tubs can happen. Cause people, like, are alone and.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah, people die in hot tubs all the time. I think what you would do is probably like, vinegar. Run the jets with water and vinegar so the vinegar gets into the jets.

[Trixie Mattel]

Or dawn dish soap bubbles. Bubbles everywhere.

[Nicole Byer]

Bubbles, Bubbles.

[Trixie Mattel]

I don't know. I just.

[Nicole Byer]

How do you get into crime scene cleanup?

[Trixie Mattel]

Like one of the Things I read on the Instagram was like, one time they posted that they were hiring. It was like fierce.

[Nicole Byer]

And then another time a career change.

[Trixie Mattel]

But they said like, it's a. It is a job that exists everywhere. There's crime and bodies need to be cleaned up. So, like, it is a job people are doing. They just maybe are not having billboards about it. It's not Adriana Fuentes Accidente in la. There's like a few. Very cool.

[Nicole Byer]

Is she the one with the dog? No, that's Veronica.

[Trixie Mattel]

Adriana Fuentes is like a very glamour shot. She kind of looks like Adrienne Malouf or something. She's like just very glammed out. Just says like, Accidente Adriana Fuentes. And she's always in like, she's in the full glam. Are you still watching 90 Day?

[Nicole Byer]

Of course.

[Trixie Mattel]

I just watched, I think season 10 with the gentleman who was dating the now trans woman. So when they started dating, the person hadn't transitioned. The guy from LA with the hair. Blonde hair, blown out.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, yes, yes. I call him Chaz Dean.

[Trixie Mattel]

Okay. So maybe that's why I'm like linking into that. Right, so he was dating this girl, this trans girl. Yes. And when they started dating, she hadn't transitioned. So that was like a really interesting thing to watch play out that I haven't been able to talk to anybody about because I was like, oh my God. Like this is all the drama of a 90 day fiance with the distance and leaving your family and your culture and. And somebody wrestling with like the. The person I fell in love with is changing dramatically.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

And they still get married.

[Nicole Byer]

They do. He's very mean to her.

[Trixie Mattel]

And she's two hours late for her wedding dress.

[Nicole Byer]

She's two hours late and one of. And she's wearing one of the most questionable dresses I've ever fucking seen.

[Trixie Mattel]

I made a TikTok about it and didn't post it because I was like, you know what, it's 2026. I don't need to come for anybody's wedding dress online, you know.

[Nicole Byer]

But it is a wild choice.

[Trixie Mattel]

See through with the bikini. With the visible bikini.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

And she took so long on the hair and makeup.

[Nicole Byer]

Two hours.

[Trixie Mattel]

The same.

[Nicole Byer]

The same.

[Trixie Mattel]

She looks beautiful, but she doesn't look.

[Nicole Byer]

The wig.

[Trixie Mattel]

And if you have a wig, what are you doing for two hours? The hair's been pre done, right?

[Nicole Byer]

Exactly. Chaz Dean pre did that wig, Right, right.

[Trixie Mattel]

I was like, he did have the

[Nicole Byer]

work, but my whole thing. And it's a very touchy thing. I think you're allowed to be sad, grieved, that your partner's changing or isn't the person that you fell in love with. But I think you either have to accept it or move on.

[Trixie Mattel]

I know. And I don't know. I've never been in that scenario. I don't know what I would do.

[Nicole Byer]

Me either.

[Trixie Mattel]

I don't know what I would do. That was a crazy season. You also had that French lady.

[Nicole Byer]

Manon.

[Trixie Mattel]

What's really crazy is the number of people who lead.

[Nicole Byer]

There's a French lady. The black French lady.

[Trixie Mattel]

Black French lady. With the old white guy who flies planes.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes. With that adorable little baby that was raising itself.

[Trixie Mattel]

That's the thing is, as the seasons have gone on, there's a lot of leaving your children.

[Nicole Byer]

Yup.

[Trixie Mattel]

Which I just like. Again, never been in that scenario. And I'm watching it almost as a supporter of all parties. I'm watching it, like, not pretending I know what I would do, but I'm like, the amount of leaving the children has escalated.

[Nicole Byer]

It's wild.

[Trixie Mattel]

Where it's like, oh, and if the kid can't come, then they just never see them again.

[Nicole Byer]

I need to. It's because therapy speak and therapy's on the rise and people are like, well, I have to put me first. Where it's like, well, if you have children. No, you kind of have to put the child first. Right.

[Trixie Mattel]

I guess. But are parents famous for always doing the right thing? I don't think so. Otherwise therapy wouldn't exist.

[Nicole Byer]

No, you're absolutely right.

[Trixie Mattel]

They're keeping therapy going by traumatizing more people from their parents. Right. I mean, if you. Have you ever. You've done therapy.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

So much of it is about your earliest relationships.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

You can't help it.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

Your brain is just like hitting record at all times before you even are aware. So I don't know. I'm watching it. I'm just keep thinking of these complicated things with these leaving the children in other countries. And I'm like, that is. So who else did that? Gino and Jasmine. Jasmine and Gino.

[Nicole Byer]

Gino and Jasmine. Gino. No. Jasmine left her two children.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

But now she's got another child here in Florida with a new guy. With a new guy. Matt. Because she wanted an open relationship and Gino didn't quite want it, but ended up agreeing to it. Then she got pregnant. Then they broke up.

[Trixie Mattel]

I know. Are you watching? Do you watch Gypsy Rose Blanchard? Life After Lockup?

[Nicole Byer]

No.

[Trixie Mattel]

Love that. You act like that's not exactly the type of shit you would like. I don't know what this performance is. No, you're like, no, I watch premium cable cinema. Like, no, it's 90 day vibes. Because she, at the end of the first season, leaves the guy she marries in the first season, leaves him, and like, four weeks later is pregnant with her ex's baby.

[Nicole Byer]

I love that.

[Trixie Mattel]

By the second season, she's in a whole new relationship. Pregnant.

[Nicole Byer]

She. Okay. I think the reason why I don't watch her is because I'm like, is this ethical? This is a girl who's abused for most of her life by this. This woman. Her mother.

[Trixie Mattel]

Sure.

[Nicole Byer]

And then she arranges to have her mother murdered. And then she goes to jail. And I'm like, did they help her in jail or was she just in jail? Do you know what I mean? And then you let her out. Now she's just on reality television.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, the first season, the first time we see her is her getting picked up from jail or prison. Not jail, prison. Picked up from jail. And the next day they go to shoe carnival to get her a pair of shoes. She hasn't owned shoes in eight years. Or they have the little. The prison slides. But, like, the show is about as real as you can get. If you think that, oh, she gets out of jail and then has this whole period where she fabricates reality. No, it's cameras in the prison. In the prison parking lot immediately. And they take her to, like, the hotel and they get her McDonald's. And the first episode is like, her. Her first night out of prison.

[Nicole Byer]

That's wild.

[Trixie Mattel]

But I.

[Nicole Byer]

Maybe I will watch it. I mean, I.

[Trixie Mattel]

It is complicated.

[Nicole Byer]

You've really sold it to me, though.

[Trixie Mattel]

It's complicated because I guess the way I watch the show is I've never had a parent abused me in that way on that level so long. So again, I don't ever watch these shows with any sort of moral. I would have never done that. Here's what I would do. Even the leaving your kids thing, I'm like, I've never done it. I don't. But, like, I'm not saying. I'm not judging. Yes, I'm learning. The human experience is on parade.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes. I also do think of it, like, from the kids perspective. I'm like, maybe they don't wanna learn another language. Maybe they're happy living with whoever they're living with. Maybe they're okay. I don't know. I.

[Trixie Mattel]

We don't know.

[Nicole Byer]

We. I should be watching these shows from, like, your point of view, where it's like. I don't know. I'm just, like, observing something. But it. I guess I watch. I like Love on the Spectrum, and I watch that with no thoughts other than they're very honest with one another. Everybody on the show.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

And that's nice.

[Trixie Mattel]

Do you watch the new season? I did as well. I just. I. I gobbled it up too fast. I blinked, and it was over. Truly love the new gentleman, the new dater.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes. What is his name?

[Trixie Mattel]

He kept calling the interviewer Sean.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes. And he'd be like, Kenan.

[Trixie Mattel]

He'd be like, sorry, sorry, Keon.

[Nicole Byer]

And then I was like, well, your name's now Kenan.

[Trixie Mattel]

Love him. And then I loved him. The redhead gal. I'm sorry. Their names aren't all sticking yet.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

Plus, we get Connor and Georgie back.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

We get. We do get some. Abby and David. They're broken up now.

[Nicole Byer]

I know. It bummed me out.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

But, you know,

[Trixie Mattel]

I got a feeling watching it, though. I got a feeling watching it. What I like about Love on the Spectrum is these people. In a lot of ways, I'm always bombarded with the similarities of the feeling of a first date. Neurotypical people worry about what to talk about. What if I don't know what to say? What if I don't know what to do? So I don't know. I get a lot of. Again, learning. Not that I'm. Obviously some part of me watches because I love to watch interesting things happen.

[Nicole Byer]

Sure.

[Trixie Mattel]

It's not like some part of me isn't like, I want the. The wild situations, too.

[Nicole Byer]

I like Love on the Spectrum because I have adhd. I'm a little bit on the spectrum, and I fully identify when someone's like, now it's time for me to show you all my dolls. Because I've done that with the nice man in my life. I said, now is the time. I'm gonna show you all my salt and pepper shakers.

[Trixie Mattel]

Okay. Well, I get made fun of because, as you know. Remember when I had that pool party and I had a. It was like two to five.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

And you said, damn, bitch, get in the water and go home. I sometimes feel like maybe I have weird boundaries about, like, I'm having a pool party. This is when it's over and it's on the paper. It was 2 to 5. There was still someone at my house at 10pm so what do you do? Like, am I rude for being like, here's when you leave. Cause no one leaves. If I hadn't put five, would they still be at my house now.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

But Nicole was like, damn, bitch, get in the pool and go home. I was like, I guess that is kind of rude.

[Nicole Byer]

It is.

[Trixie Mattel]

Everyone was like, it's kind of crazy. You put a cause Bob the Dragoon will be like, I'll invite Bob over. And I'll be like, do you want to come over for two hours? And Bob, like, makes fun of that. And I'm like, well, at least, you know, Bob said, I guess I have my marching papers, huh? And I was like, I don't know. The tricksy quality over quantity.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes. And I think more people should have boundaries, because I sometimes will find myself hanging out being like, I'm done. I don't want to anymore. And now I've gotten better at being like, hey, I'm done. I don't want to do this anymore.

[Trixie Mattel]

It's okay.

[Nicole Byer]

But if you give. Cause it's like, yes, I want to party. But it's like, I also want you to leave my house.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. And I didn't have guests when I was younger. We lived so remote, and my home life was not something I was willing to show to other children.

[Nicole Byer]

Sure.

[Trixie Mattel]

So. But we lived so far remote, too, from other neighbors. Like, I did not have a childhood full of people coming over. So as an adult, was most of my people coming over at all. So I think sometimes I get a little bit overly interesting. What will they eat when they get here? What will happen? How will I let them know I want them to leave? Which bathroom will I tell them to use? I'm like, wendy Williams, what wig am I gonna wear? Am I gonna cry? But I also think the art of hosting is a little bit lost. When I go places and there's not snacks and drinks, I'm like, then why are people over?

[Nicole Byer]

Trixie, When I go to someone's home and there's not nary a snack, I say, why did I leave my fucking house? But guess what? I never have snacks at my house.

[Trixie Mattel]

So you're an offender.

[Nicole Byer]

I am bad.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

We went to. But I'll order shit.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

Once you get here, I'll go order it. What does anybody want? I'll order it.

[Trixie Mattel]

Pizza or something. Yes. We went to Monet's house for a game night.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

And she had put a Trader Joe's appetizers in the oven, and she made margaritas. I was like, this is. This is showing. You don't have to do a million things, but you have guests now, and

[Nicole Byer]

you have snacks, and you're just doing. It's Simple, Simple.

[Trixie Mattel]

But like.

[Nicole Byer]

Very, very simple. But nice.

[Trixie Mattel]

Nice.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

And she. It wasn't theatrical. We saw the Trader Joe's box.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

We saw her pull it out of the freezer. It wasn't. It wasn't Martha Stewart.

[Nicole Byer]

No. And I was so delighted to eat.

[Trixie Mattel]

Delighted. It was like. It was like, roll up. Chiquitos, Taquito.

[Nicole Byer]

Taquitos.

[Trixie Mattel]

I don't know. Chiquitos, chipita. I don't know.

[Nicole Byer]

Taquitos. T. Taquito.

[Trixie Mattel]

A little Lupita Nyong'. Oh, yes.

[Nicole Byer]

That's what I meant to say. I'm sorry. Yes. Lupita.

[Trixie Mattel]

Lupita. Have you seen. I just rewatched a movie that she was in. Have you watched that movie, Little Monsters?

[Nicole Byer]

No.

[Trixie Mattel]

Where she play. I think it's called Little Monsters. She plays a kindergarten teacher who's taking kindergarteners on a field trip to, like, the zoo during. And then the zombie outbreak happens. It's a comedy where she's trying to, like.

[Nicole Byer]

Wait, when did you not let the

[Trixie Mattel]

kids find out they're zombies? It's very sweet. She plays ukulele.

[Nicole Byer]

When did it come out?

[Trixie Mattel]

A while ago, but it's great.

[Nicole Byer]

I'll watch that. That sounds like fun.

[Trixie Mattel]

I watched just about anything with her in it.

[Nicole Byer]

And I like her a lot.

[Trixie Mattel]

She's so funny and. Oh, I loved her in Quiet Place.

[Nicole Byer]

The one I won't. I'm not interested in a quiet place.

[Trixie Mattel]

Too scary.

[Nicole Byer]

No, Everyone has to be quiet. No.

[Trixie Mattel]

When I saw the Quiet Place. Is it a quiet place? The quiet Place.

[Nicole Byer]

I think it's a quiet place.

[Trixie Mattel]

Touch me in my quiet place. I saw.

[Nicole Byer]

Touch me where you can't hear it.

[Trixie Mattel]

I saw that at the movie theater. And at the time I was really into Tamagotchis. I was on tour and I kept getting Tamagotchis as gifts. And I. So I had like a. I had one in my pocket and it. Tamagotchi went off during the quiet Place.

[Nicole Byer]

That's really funny. What was it? Beep me?

[Trixie Mattel]

No, it's like. And I was like, oh, I would be dead.

[Nicole Byer]

I didn't have a Tamagotchi growing up. I had a gigapet.

[Trixie Mattel]

Which animal did you have?

[Nicole Byer]

Cat. Okay, I remember that it was a yellow cat. Gigapet.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yes, I remember that.

[Nicole Byer]

I was so upset that my mother wouldn't get me a Tamagotchi. But they were like, slightly more expensive.

[Trixie Mattel]

They're so similar. It's really a non event. It's crazy to think that we love the non event. What a dumb toy.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes. It's A little. A little? Yeah. It's just like a little thing that you have to take care of.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. And it's just. I mean, it's like a stopwatch, really, that just, like, won't stop beeping. That you have to. Every time this beeps, you gotta touch a button.

[Nicole Byer]

You have to feed it. What do you have to do? You have to feed it.

[Trixie Mattel]

You feed it. You play with it. You discipline it. You have to administer medicine. If it gets sick, I think it poops as well.

[Nicole Byer]

You have to clean up.

[Trixie Mattel]

Poop. It pooped.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh.

[Trixie Mattel]

For a while, I was trying to develop a trixie, like, virtual pet, like, as a merch item.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh.

[Trixie Mattel]

Where you would, like, feed me a cocktail or, like.

[Nicole Byer]

And then. You never did it.

[Trixie Mattel]

I never did it. I talked to some companies in China and it was like, to design, like, a. They were like, we can make one and put your face on the packaging, but the thing won't look like you. I really wanted the little character to look like me.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The technology's not there yet.

[Trixie Mattel]

It's just not there. It hasn't caught up.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

Now with A1, I could probably do

[Nicole Byer]

it, but with what?

[Trixie Mattel]

A1.

[Nicole Byer]

A1.

[Trixie Mattel]

AI.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh.

[Trixie Mattel]

Linda McMahon, Secretary of Education. She called it A1 in its speech. She was like.

[Nicole Byer]

Like the steak sauce.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yes. She was like, what we really need to get on top of is the A1. Isn't that fierce?

[Nicole Byer]

We're living in the wildest of times.

[Trixie Mattel]

We're living in, like, a community theater production where everyone got sick and every.

[Nicole Byer]

Everyone's in.

[Trixie Mattel]

Every understudy is on, and they never had a proper run through.

[Nicole Byer]

That's what it. Honestly, that is a perfect way to describe it. I just saw a video of our president just sleeping.

[Trixie Mattel]

Fierce. During the meeting, during hearing.

[Nicole Byer]

Just sleeping.

[Trixie Mattel]

Sleepy Joe Biden.

[Nicole Byer]

I was like, okay, maybe he was sleepy. But, sir, you are asleep.

[Trixie Mattel]

REM cycle.

[Nicole Byer]

Truly.

[Trixie Mattel]

Like the Sims. Like a dream bubble above your head.

[Nicole Byer]

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[Nicole Byer]

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[Trixie Mattel]

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[Trixie Mattel]

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[Trixie Mattel]

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[Nicole Byer]

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[Trixie Mattel]

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[Nicole Byer]

Oh, let's come up with a domain right now.

[Trixie Mattel]

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[Nicole Byer]

Wait, Trixie, this is a dating podcast.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, yeah. Should we talk about dating?

[Nicole Byer]

Just a little carbon dating. So you went on a date and the first thing a guy said to you was he was off his antipsychotics.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yes. I was very young. I was like maybe 20. And I was dating and this guy. I was going through this phase where I didn't want to spend money. So I was inviting guys over to my house not for sex, but for, like to meet them, which is fucking weird. Like, I don't know, I was like, not hooking up yet. Not hooking up. Age. I thought I was like dating. But inviting people to your house is weird. For the first date, I don't know what I was doing, but he came over and he had blue hair, which was fine. And just like, I just feel like if your hair is maybe a totally different color. I was like, oh, wow. Different person. I like, didn't recognize him even when he was.

[Nicole Byer]

One of your pictures should have you with colorful hair.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yes. He had different body type and blue hair. And I remember being when they knocked on the door, it took me a whole second to be like, this is you. Okay, I don't care. Whatever. He was still cute, but he at the time was like, I'm a little nervous. This is my first week off my antipsychotics. And I knew and still know so little about antipsychotics. I've never been on them. I don't know. But I remember thinking like, oh, now I have the guy in my house that I don't know who is in a disguise and is experimenting with different medicine regimens.

[Nicole Byer]

That is a little scary. I do appreciate the honesty.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

But also it's like, well, now I have follow ups. Why Are you on antipsychotic? Why did you go off of it?

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, it was.

[Nicole Byer]

You having a good time?

[Trixie Mattel]

A big swing?

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

One time I went on a date with the guy. A few dates, actually. He cleared his throat constantly. I didn't even know that something like that would annoy me until it was happening.

[Nicole Byer]

What does it sound like at the

[Trixie Mattel]

end of every sentence? Like, then we talk a little more, like almost every sentence. And I.

[Nicole Byer]

Maybe that would get me.

[Trixie Mattel]

Maybe he had phlegm. Maybe he was nervous. Maybe it was a tic. But it made it hard for me to connect with him because it sort of like. It sort of like disrupted the flow of just trying to talk a little bit. I feel like that sounds almost ableist because what if it was a tic? Now I'm like, I don't know. But it made it hard for me to connect. That's all.

[Nicole Byer]

Here's the thing. It might be ableist, but it's not a thing that you can meet them halfway on. So it's.

[Trixie Mattel]

I know. I was like, should I start doing it or do like you're so. And I didn't want to. And I didn't know him, so I wasn't like. I was sort of like, are you okay? I didn't want, you know.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah. You can't just be like, what's wrong with you?

[Trixie Mattel]

Are you okay? Is everything okay? Do you need water? But then as it went on, I was like, oh, he's doing it all the time.

[Nicole Byer]

It's just a thing he does.

[Trixie Mattel]

But you know what? Maybe if I. But you know what, though? If I would have connected with him, I bet I would have gotten over it. So I bet there was also just really no connection.

[Nicole Byer]

But also maybe you wouldn't have. Maybe you would have been like, I love almost everything about this man, except for he has to clear his throat every 10 seconds. It might be a thing that you get hung up on.

[Trixie Mattel]

Sometimes you can get like inside the actor studio on yourself and you can be like, why does that bother me? And then you can kind of let it go.

[Nicole Byer]

Hmm.

[Trixie Mattel]

Because I do think. I don't know, I think a big. We're talking about why this pod should really be. Why won't people date others? Because you and I are not single. So. Yeah, I think one of the problems I see in the gay community is that people are really unwilling to accept anything outside of, like an idea of what they want. People are very closed minded to connections if they're not exactly what they think thought it would be. Yes, People are not open to different types. People are not open to dates that don't go well. Or like being open to the idea that you might like someone in a way you never liked anyone else. But I don't know, I just. I just feel like people need to stay open. I've always had boyfriends and maybe I'm a serial monogamist, but.

[Nicole Byer]

What's the longest you've been single?

[Trixie Mattel]

Maybe a year.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

And I don't think I'm that awesome. I think I just am open. He was open to things, open to experiences.

[Nicole Byer]

Does your current partner. Obviously they knew who you were, but were they like a fan of Drag Race or.

[Trixie Mattel]

No, no, they'd never even seen Drag Race.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, really?

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

So did they know who you were?

[Trixie Mattel]

Yes, yes. Yeah, they knew who I was. Cause their roommate at the time was like, knew who I was.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, okay.

[Trixie Mattel]

But for me, what works best for me typically is somebody really not knowing anything about me in drag. Somebody who has an idling amount of respect for it. But. And maybe, maybe, but my mom doesn't watch my content. Like, I don't need people in my life close to me to like be involved in my work.

[Nicole Byer]

I agree. The nice man in my life.

[Trixie Mattel]

I like that. You know, I don't say my boyfriend's name. Cause I just, you know, you did. Trixie Motel. I was so front facing with my relationships before and I've changed gears where I feel a little more protective of my personal space about it. And I've recently been wanting to start calling him Blanket, like Michael Jackson, because I'm like. So if you're saying the special man in my life, I'm like, Blanket.

[Nicole Byer]

Or you know, yeah, Blanket did this.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, I need to come up with like a code name.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah. He's not in entertainment. He didn't ask to be spoken about. And we did have a conversation where he was like, I trust you. He's like, I don't think you would say anything that would make me feel uncomfortable. And I was like, okay. So I always just try to like think before I say anything, you know, because that's just being respectful to him. But he knew I was a comedian, was not familiar with my work, and when we started dating, I was like, oh, do you wanna like come to this show? Or whatever. And he'd always be like, oh, no, I have other plans. This, that and the other. And I was like, okay, so he doesn't wanna watch me perform. And then I was like, oh, do you. Should I stop inviting you to think like, what is it? And he was like, oh, well, I've seen you perform. It just feels weird to be in the audience when you say something funny where I, like, wanna respond to you, but, like, I can't. But I can at home, so I'd rather just spend time with you at home.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, I get it.

[Nicole Byer]

I was like, oh, that makes a lot of sense. And I was, like, happy he was able to articulate that to me. But, like, I have friends who just don't get it. They're like, it's weird he doesn't wanna see you. And I'm like, it's not a want. He wants me. He just. He doesn't want to just watch me perform. Do you think your partner's the same way? Does. Does your partner watch you perform out

[Trixie Mattel]

of, like, what else is he gonna do? Like, he goes on tour with me, so, like, he'll watch from the sidelines, like, play on his phone. But, like, sometimes he'll. I mean, I've had boyfriends where I travel with them, and, like, sometimes they sit in the dressing room and watch movies on their iPad. Like, it's like having an iPad, baby. When you're on tour, or let's say your mom jumps on the tour bus, they're the only person who has nothing to do that day. They feel underfoot. They feel like they have nowhere to go and nothing to do. And so they are there to spend time with you.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

So I don't know. I like to. Again, I feel like I never told anybody who David was until we did Trixie Motel. Because, again, they are not in entertainment. They don't agree. If I had a partner who was on TV or something, I think I would be like, whatever.

[Nicole Byer]

I don't care. They're on television. Whatever.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. Also something you need to protect is, like, when everyone knew what David looked like, he could no longer, like, go drink at the bar during a show. Oh, so something you can protect now is you're the man in your life, can go to your show and no one's staring at him.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah. Nobody ever looks at him. Cause I don't post.

[Trixie Mattel]

Once that genie's out of the bottle, you know?

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

You become one of those people who blurs out celebrities who put an emoji on their kid's face. Right. But you know what? I used to think that was weird. And I used to be like, just don't post the picture. And now I'm like, no, do it because.

[Nicole Byer]

And just, you know, their face is

[Trixie Mattel]

not what this picture is about. You're sharing your love for your child.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

And you're just having. You're actually saying the only boundary I need is a sticker.

[Nicole Byer]

Just that I just don't want you to know their face. Yeah. And I think that's honestly sweet. Yeah, I think it's really sweet. I have a couple friends who do that. And anytime I've posted like, like Lauren Lapkitz's children, I'm like, you want me to cover their faces? She's like, yes, please. And I'm like, yeah, I have no problem doing that.

[Trixie Mattel]

I post her kids all the time, as often as I can.

[Nicole Byer]

Just as often as you can. I. For a hot second I was like,

[Trixie Mattel]

trixie, no, no, no, no.

[Nicole Byer]

I was like, oh my God.

[Trixie Mattel]

No. I used to think it was. But I used to have very little boundaries about, like social media and stuff. I just would post anything. I wouldn't, wouldn't ask people if they were in the background of a story I took. And I've gotten a lot more permissed. Was that permissive? Seeking permission?

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah. Well, I think the older you get, the more you're like, well, I don't have to share everything. Right. Other people have boundaries. Like, I take poll classes. And they had to start saying, you need to ask the people who might be in focus if they're okay with you posting it. Because people would just like post stuff willy nilly. And it's like, you don't know somebody's life. You don't know where they work. You don't know if they're going to be penalized for this or whatever.

[Trixie Mattel]

There are just like, things, like life things, a birthday, a funeral, a baby that you as an artist, even though you share big chunks of your life, I've learned the value in being just a little bit protective of like, your mom's birthday you're gonna go to, just might make it about your mom. And don't.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah, you don't need to post it.

[Trixie Mattel]

You don't need to post it. Yeah. And so I guess I understand more now. Whereas like before, I think I just operated from a place I felt the most comfortable operating from a place of the audience just knows every single thing. And I've learned the value of like, again, separation sucks. Separating, when I had done multiple seasons of a show with the person was extra. Extra. It was just extra.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

So I've learned like, oh, the really good or really bad parts of your life are less fun to have to share. Do you know what I mean?

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah, well, yeah. Cause it's like, in the relationship, it's like. Like, we're in this. This is fine. Whatever. But then, like, when it ends, it's like, well, how much do I share? I don't want. It's like, I do comedy. I'm a clown. I don't want to be like, I'm sad. Like, I'm devastated. Like, Right. It. It. Then it just. I don't know, it feels like you have to, like, break off pieces of yourself in a. In a stranger way than, like, just sharing everything.

[Trixie Mattel]

Well, because it's autobiographical. Like, when you do what you and I do, which is basically share our real lives.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

We basically leave out home addresses and Social Security numbers. But, like, we be saying names, we'd be saying where we were. We'd be saying, the grocery store on my corner. We'd be saying where we live.

[Nicole Byer]

Yep.

[Trixie Mattel]

So I feel like if you're like, you know Marie Bamford, who I love.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

Like, Lady Dynamite. She cast, like, somebody to play her boyfriend. Like, she's building a world that's, like, her life so she can have more freedom. When you're actually explicitly talking about my mother's name is this. I went to this high school. It's just a little more. I don't know. You open yourself up to more.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah, I agree.

[Trixie Mattel]

And when I was younger, I think I was so stupid that I actually. Not stupid, but I didn't even really realize. Realize how much I was just like, whatever. Everyone knows everything. And that didn't make me feel exposed in any way.

[Nicole Byer]

No. Because.

[Trixie Mattel]

And now it kind of does.

[Nicole Byer]

You're young, and you're like, whatever. But then it's like, you build relationships with people and you're like, well, I don't care to share that. That should just be for us. I think it's the older you get, the more things you have to hold close to you and be precious about, because you don't know when that might end.

[Trixie Mattel]

Right.

[Nicole Byer]

I don't know. The nice man in my life. I'm like, well, you know, I hope it doesn't end, but, like, if it does, it hasn't been so public that it's like, that I have to then share how publicly devastated I am.

[Trixie Mattel]

Right, Right. And, like, I mean, David and I separated before the second season came out, so I, like, had to go do that press tour and stuff, and that sucked.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

But I also was like, well, I want people to experience the show the way we experienced it when we were making it, which was, like, joyous and fun and loving. So it's not like it was a bummer that I was, like, withholding because I wanted to represent that time in my life. It was a year. It was like over a year ago.

[Nicole Byer]

I get that you're like, I want them to experience it the way that it was shot. But then it's like, not performative. You kind of have to act.

[Trixie Mattel]

You kind of put yourself in the

[Nicole Byer]

mindset of, yeah, you can act in your own life. And then that's like. It's kind of a mind fuck.

[Trixie Mattel]

It is. It's sort of like in reality when, like on Drag Race, when you're doing your interviews and they go like, all right, it's the top of the day. You walk into the workroom, give us a sound bite, and you. You talk in the present. You go, I'm feeling good. I'm putting on my blue gown, whatever. You aren't lying, but you are having to rewind and replay it in your mind for reality. For reality. And that's also a mind fuck on reality television, which is like, I heard producers say this, and it always tripped me out. They'd be like, okay, yeah, reality's up in 15. Like, cameras start. Like, reality starts reality. Realities are up at 11. So whatever you need to do before, like, cameras are on. Reality's up at 11. Now, some shows like Housewives, they shoot, like three eight hour camera crews. They shoot, like, on a girls trip all day, 24 hours a day, basically. Like, while the girls are all sleeping, there's people with cameras in case someone wakes up, because we had them at Trixie Motel for Salt Lake City.

[Nicole Byer]

That would make me crazy.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. And it was so educational because. Not invasive in a bad way, but, like, these women basically sleep with body mics on. They are surveilled.

[Nicole Byer]

I mean, that is wild. But I guess that's why they sign up for it. So.

[Trixie Mattel]

And I will say, as a purveyor of reality, what I can always appreciate is, like, realness and candidness.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

And, like, I don't like performing and lying and, like, self producing.

[Nicole Byer]

It doesn't feel good.

[Trixie Mattel]

It's insulting to the audience. The audience goes, do you think I'm stupid? I can tell you're trying to shift this. Which is why on Drag Race, for example, if you ever bomb a challenge, do not go in that chair and try to rewrite American history.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

Because then it's gonna cut to you going, I was incredible. And then you look crazy. The best thing, the golden rule of reality tv, is that nothing is more interesting than what really Happened.

[Nicole Byer]

I agree.

[Trixie Mattel]

And the audience, if you bomb something, just tell me. If you're in the chair and you go, it was the most humiliating moment of my life. They will be like, girl, been there. But they don't want to hear is, I thought I ate. Because they're going to be like, but you didn't.

[Nicole Byer]

That was like Lexi Love for her Snatch Game. She was like, it was bad. I did a bad job. And I was like, you did. And it was funny, though. Oh, wait, you were in the Comeback.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yes.

[Nicole Byer]

In a. Just a short clip of Trixie on Traitors. Would you do Traitors?

[Trixie Mattel]

It's just not for me. They have asked. It's just not for me. And I get that. The people I think would win are like, Bob. So I'm like, if Bob couldn't win, I would never win.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

Like, I. I remember thinking, like, people like Bob Monet, like, there are people who are better for it. That I'm like, if they couldn't win, what do they do? Just shoot me? Cause they are.

[Nicole Byer]

They just take you out back and Alan Cummings shoots you.

[Trixie Mattel]

Right. And you know, Peppermint, who I think is maybe one of the most beloved people, if she can't win, like, you know, I. I could never. And there's an appreciation I have for. And I'm gonna tell you this too. Straight people, like drag queens are famous for their talent.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

Straight people from reality shows are just like that fucking crazy person from your hometown who's like kind of good looking, but it's like, it's a shame.

[Nicole Byer]

She's crazy, psychotic. Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

That person found their niche and you're gonna go live in a castle with that person. Are you out of your fucking mind?

[Nicole Byer]

That's really funny.

[Trixie Mattel]

Like, to be a good reality star, you have to be a little bit disconnected from the tether of reality.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

And as much as that is fun to watch, it's not fun to live when you live with that person.

[Nicole Byer]

No.

[Trixie Mattel]

And I've done Drag Race a couple times with people like that. And it is like being in the room with Dr. Jekyll Mrs. Like, where the camera turns on and they amp it up. So you're like, what is going on?

[Nicole Byer]

What is happening? Why are you acting like that?

[Trixie Mattel]

Like, what are doing you? What are we doing?

[Nicole Byer]

I used to think I could do it until. Have you. You played the game Secret Hitler, right?

[Trixie Mattel]

We played it at Monet's. I was kind of in shock that that's what we were playing, but I wasn't going to be like, abstaining the

[Nicole Byer]

name of the game is a little regrettable, but I. I played it, like, a couple days ago, and I was the president who had to give the tiles to somebody.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yes.

[Nicole Byer]

And I was also a fascist. I'm not explaining this game well, but. So you, like, give them two tiles. They have to choose. Usually it's like you give them two fascist tiles if you're a fascist, because you want to pass that. That bill or whatever. So I, like, handed them two fascist bills. And this is a person I met maybe an hour ago. And I was like, I've given you a choice. I had not given them a choice. I had given them two fascist tiles. And I was like, I've given you a choice to pass a liberal bill, and that's on you. And we'll see what you. What your party affiliation is when you put that tile down. And they were like, like, what? No, you didn't give me a. And I was just, like, lying to this person.

[Trixie Mattel]

I mean, it is traitors, right? Like, it is.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

But they wouldn't make a TV show called Secret Hitler.

[Nicole Byer]

No, they simply couldn't. That's bad. But then the next round, I was a fascist again. And I was like, it took so much out of me the first time, lying to everybody, and it's too much. I was like, I. How do people do this every single

[Trixie Mattel]

day for 12 hours a day with, like, Doritos? Like, I'm not doing that.

[Nicole Byer]

I don't think I could.

[Trixie Mattel]

I'm not doing that. And the people who I thought would be like, I thought Bob would dog walk those bitches.

[Nicole Byer]

I thought Bob was gonna do that.

[Trixie Mattel]

And so I was like, if Bob wouldn't do good, I don't know who does, because to me, Bob is such a force who makes everyone love him. How would he not literally host the show afterwards?

[Nicole Byer]

Walking away, I was like, what's going on?

[Trixie Mattel]

So I don't know. Part of why I would never do it is because I do not underestimate how difficult it looks. And I was talking to Michael Pector King about this. And so that's how I think he got the idea for that scene. Cause I met him at a St. Patrick's Day party where I got too drunk. I got too drunk. And I met him at a St. Patrick's Day party. And, girl, I was talking to another artist there, an actor who was on the Comeback. And I was like, oh, my God, I love the Comeback. And I had not met Michael, didn't know who he was. And I go, oh, my God. I love you on the Comeback. And he goes, oh, my friend Michael. I said, oh, do you love the Comeback, too? I was talking to your friend Tim. He was on the Comeback. And he goes, yeah, we love doing it. I go, oh, were you on it? He goes, I'm Michael Patrick King, fierce. Love it.

[Nicole Byer]

I love that.

[Trixie Mattel]

It's very Valerie Cherish to, like, just.

[Nicole Byer]

It really is. But then you ended up on the show, so, like.

[Trixie Mattel]

So they called and said, we have a part for you on the Comeback. Cause I did, you know. I love the Comeback.

[Nicole Byer]

It's so funny.

[Trixie Mattel]

And I love Lisa, and I love Malin Aukerman. I mean, that's such a good show.

[Nicole Byer]

So fucking funny.

[Trixie Mattel]

And so when I got to be on it, they sent me this scene, and it was, like, basically an improvised scene where we're on the Traitors. And I was like, oh, that's fierce. And so I love it. We had these stupid little tartan outfits on. And she was cracking my shit up because she was just like, you know, Valerie wouldn't be good at the Traitors.

[Nicole Byer]

No.

[Trixie Mattel]

So it's like, Valerie would be bad at Secret Word. Or like, you know, so Valerie just being like, don't you guys wish you knew who the traitors were? I know. I do.

[Nicole Byer]

Like Valerie would say, so funny.

[Trixie Mattel]

And it was hot, though. But I was just so excited to be there. And, I mean, I love Lisa. And she was like. I was like. She was like, would you ever do the Traders? And I said, they have asked. I just don't think it's right for me. She was like. She was like, yeah, that's crazy. I mean, we both were marveling at, like, the emotional. I think, like, the mental duress of that.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

I think Traders looks fucking hard.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

And whatever they pay you, I don't think it's enough.

[Nicole Byer]

It's not enough.

[Trixie Mattel]

It looks.

[Nicole Byer]

They don't seem to eat. They don't seem to get food.

[Trixie Mattel]

You lay in bed and, like, worry.

[Nicole Byer]

Worry that you're gonna get murdered.

[Trixie Mattel]

Murdered.

[Nicole Byer]

You're gonna have to hop into a casket.

[Trixie Mattel]

And then the next morning, like, seeing who's gone, knock, knock, knock. I don't. It just.

[Nicole Byer]

It's too much anxiety again.

[Trixie Mattel]

I think it looks out of respect. I think it looks too hard and too crazy.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah. I really thought I could do it until I literally played a game with no cameras on me where I was like, oh, I've lied for so long. I can't do it.

[Trixie Mattel]

I can't even handle Secret Hitler at Monet's. Do you Remember there was a girl playing Secret Hitler with us who said. Remember she couldn't read her card? And she goes, well, I can't see. Really? Yes, I say that all the time.

[Nicole Byer]

It was really funny.

[Trixie Mattel]

It was so funny. She goes, well, I can't see.

[Nicole Byer]

Really. I can't see this card. I can't see. Really.

[Trixie Mattel]

Oh, yeah. Cause she didn't have good vision. She'd have her glasses on. She's like, well, I can't read it anyway.

[Nicole Byer]

I can't read it.

[Trixie Mattel]

Well, we're playing a card game, so I love that. You're just like, whatever that says, do that.

[Nicole Byer]

Well, I can't see really well.

[Trixie Mattel]

It's different. I mean, Secret Hitler is a shocking name, but it's different than America, which is public Hitler.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

You know, people not so secret about their fascist.

[Nicole Byer]

I was so confused. I was like, what do you mean? America. There's a game called America.

[Trixie Mattel]

No, no, no, no.

[Nicole Byer]

We're in America now.

[Trixie Mattel]

We're in America.

[Nicole Byer]

Wait, Trixie, we do have to wrap up.

[Trixie Mattel]

I know. I. You know what I get. They get me on the pods and I talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, and they have to carry me out of these fucking things.

[Nicole Byer]

It's okay. Here's the thing. Do you have advice for single people?

[Trixie Mattel]

I do.

[Nicole Byer]

What is it I do.

[Trixie Mattel]

You have to kiss a lot of frogs. It is a game of numbers. I know. Nobody wants to hear that because everybody hates. I love TikTok, and I follow a lot of young people, Gen Z women, and it's just horror stories of these dates.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

And it's hard. And I know it's hard. And I watch these girls be like, guys just want someone who sits there and asks them about them.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

Like, I. I have feedback from my single female friends being like, it's so hard. He was so cool. Then I found out he loved drunk driving. You know, it's like. It's always this, like, he's awesome, but. And I know it's hard. I know it's a game of numbers, but I do believe in when you know. You know. Sorry. I do believe in when you know. You know, every single boyfriend I've ever had, I knew on the first date we were going to be together. Really immediately, at least. Like, oh, there's a second and third date. Like, I always knew.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

And I just. People out there, I know. I know that. What's the word? Not negativity. Like, pessimism. As far as, like, love is kind of, like, rampant. And I know that I'M a cringe millennial who, like, believes in love. Like, we're the. What's that movie? 500 Days of Summer or whatever. Like, we're that people. And so I know, I just. Because I'm happy in a bliss. I am now at a point where I'm trying to make everyone have a boyfriend and girlfriend. I keep being like, are you dating? Ooh, he sounds nice. Are you gonna go out with them? Like, I'm the date pusher now. So if anybody out there needs encouragement, reach out to me and I'll be like, well, is there anyone in your life you kind of a feeling for anybody who makes you feel a tickle inside.

[Nicole Byer]

Like a tickle inside.

[Trixie Mattel]

But it is a game of numbers. And as much as I. I know that Tinder and all that is exhausting. I think you got to flip through the Rolodex. There's a lot of humans on this planet and you gotta pick everything up at the store. And you gotta try the jeans on.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

You will know when you put them on.

[Nicole Byer]

I think you're right about that. Because you can order 10 jeans, you know, to your house, but you gotta put them each on.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

To know if they actually fit.

[Trixie Mattel]

And I'm not saying, you know, it's not like I went on one date with David and was like, we're opening a motel. I'm not crazy. But there is a. You gotta let your, like, satellite dish of what you can be open to be really big and wide. And you gotta really put your ear to the railroad tracks and feel the vibration and be like, yes. Because in your mind, or what you saw in a movie or what you've told yourself you want. Yes. But you also gotta, like, look at who's in front of you. I really think people have to be more open. Not settle.

[Nicole Byer]

No standards. Not settle. But, like, just be open.

[Trixie Mattel]

It's like, I'm open to anything. He just has to be 6, 5 and name Diego. It's like, okay, well, then you're not like. So I just encourage people to be open, Diego.

[Nicole Byer]

I get that. Well, do you have anything you want to promote?

[Trixie Mattel]

I do. If you want to come see my new show, super disco, I'm DJing Bonnaroo Lalapara. I almost said Lollaparuza. Like they say on Drag Race, lollaparuza. And I'm DJing a bunch of pride gigs. I love to play, I love to tour. You ever see that clip of Michael Jackson saying, I love to tour.

[Nicole Byer]

I love to tour.

[Trixie Mattel]

I love to tour. I go through hell touring. And you can come see Katya and I do bald and beautiful live. Check out our pod ball and beautiful. And pick up some Trixie cosmetics. Why not? You are worth investing in.

[Nicole Byer]

You are. Honestly, your makeup is really good.

[Trixie Mattel]

Thank you. I just think it's one of the last things that we can do for ourselves in this world that's on fire is buy yourself a lip.

[Nicole Byer]

It's nice. I have so many, like, eyeshadow palettes that I've, like, recently just, like, gotten back into, and I'm like, oh, my God. This is. It's very pigmented.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, it's nice. Do you do. Do you wear individuals or these strips?

[Nicole Byer]

Strips.

[Trixie Mattel]

Do you take them off at night

[Nicole Byer]

or do you take them off at night? These are Arzell's 3 or 1 13s.

[Trixie Mattel]

Because when you do, like, the semi permanent, you do kind of, like, you kind of have to stay away from shadow or they get that cast.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes. And they look disgusting unless you, like, wash. They have, like, eye shampoo.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. I watched the tick tocks of people, like, shampooing their lashes.

[Nicole Byer]

I'm like, girl, just can't do it.

[Trixie Mattel]

How long do they take to go on? A minute. Like when you.

[Nicole Byer]

Not even. I would say, like 30 seconds each.

[Trixie Mattel]

And you. And girl, if you have lashes, you better sleep like this.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes. Because if you sleep on them, they get all crunchy and disgusting.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah. And if they look like that before, you can't wet them or they get straight too. I don't know. I don't know why people sleep in

[Nicole Byer]

them, but I don't know. Trixie, would you date me?

[Trixie Mattel]

Of course.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

Who wouldn't? A lot of people shout out to Blanket, a special man in your life.

[Nicole Byer]

I love that you want to call him Blanket. It's so funny.

[Trixie Mattel]

Well, I was like, we.

[Nicole Byer]

Blanket made me dinner last night.

[Trixie Mattel]

Blanket fucked me in a way that I was not ready for. Happy Valentine's Day, honey.

[Nicole Byer]

I'm dying. Fine. Well, no, if you like this episode of why won't you date me, you can like it, you can follow it, you can rate it. 5 stars on Spotify and Apple podcasts. And if you write me something nasty, hitting on me to why won't you date me? Podcastmail.com. i'll read it. This person writes, Hi, Nicole, I want to dress you as a baby with a bonnet. Diaper. Binky in the whole shebang. I'll have you ride me while you suck on a bottle of milk. Your choice of milk. Ew and ugh. And moan baby Wants milk when I'm ready to come.

[Trixie Mattel]

What the fuck? Are these real?

[Nicole Byer]

Yup. Yeah. Jason sent this. When I'm ready to come, you'll take off your diaper and hold it out like Oliver Twist asking for porridge. I'll splooge all over the diaper and you'll say, milk. Thank you. I love the show. Also a cum joke for you to use. You could come on my face and tell me it's face wash. Keep lotioning best, Jason.

[Trixie Mattel]

Okay.

[Nicole Byer]

Rather disturbing.

[Trixie Mattel]

You know what though? You want impassioned fans?

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

Okay.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

Do you know many teenage girls write me letters like that?

[Nicole Byer]

Really? That you haven't asked for that are just horny.

[Trixie Mattel]

If men my age wanted me the way 19 year old lesbians do, like, oh my God.

[Nicole Byer]

Have you ever gotten to the bottom of that?

[Trixie Mattel]

No. No.

[Nicole Byer]

That's a wild question. Have you gone to the bottom of why young girls like you?

[Trixie Mattel]

I don't know.

[Nicole Byer]

But yeah, young, I don't know. Yeah, your demo is just young.

[Trixie Mattel]

20 year old, like Sapphic girls are like, that's my wife. And lesbian Trixie and Katya are my lesbian wives. Yeah. But you know what? It's very loving and nobody's going to respect your boundaries. Like female fans, they're. They could have a tattoo of you and they're still like, can I touch you?

[Nicole Byer]

That's very, very funny.

[Trixie Mattel]

And like young girls asking old white men for consent to touch them. Wacky. You know what I mean?

[Nicole Byer]

Wacky. Flipping the script. Diva.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, but you know what? Gay. I love gay fans. But like slight, like any amount of gay female fans. They will. If you guys were like, anyway, we're doing a show in a volcano next week. We're all just going to jump in. They'll be like, yeah, let's do it.

[Nicole Byer]

Let's do it. We're going to go. I have a question before we go. Have you ever read a comment where you went, not too much. You're really actually saying something true.

[Trixie Mattel]

Katya and I struggle with people talking to us the way we talk to each other.

[Nicole Byer]

Oh, hi, old bald.

[Trixie Mattel]

Like that type of shit where I'm like, oh, like the way she and I talk to each other and rip into each other.

[Nicole Byer]

Yeah.

[Trixie Mattel]

The audience. I'm glad we make them feel like they're sparring with us. But in real life when they're like, hi, old bald. It's like, damn, girl, we're at the shoe carnival.

[Nicole Byer]

Why would you say that? That's not nice.

[Trixie Mattel]

Yeah, so. But it's okay.

[Nicole Byer]

I had A clip go viral where I talked about how I only lotion the parts that you can see of my body.

[Trixie Mattel]

Okay.

[Nicole Byer]

I have since changed that. Now I lotion the whole body huge.

[Trixie Mattel]

If true.

[Nicole Byer]

But it is true. Every day I lotion my whole fucking body.

[Trixie Mattel]

And so because of a comment?

[Nicole Byer]

No, because this went viral. And then all of the comments were very mean. And then this man said, hey, she used to be over £300. She's just getting to the point where she can touch different parts of her body. And I was like, not too much. Not too much.

[Trixie Mattel]

Cause that's beyond too much. That's like. That's. That's like your family doctor. That's a private note they would write about you that you would never see.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes.

[Trixie Mattel]

That's because I was like.

[Nicole Byer]

I had to think about it, and I was like, that might have been one of the reasons I was like. I was bigger. So it was like some places were harder to reach. But also it was like adhd, where I was like, well, just slap some on the ankle. But I was like, who? This is a comment that felt a little too close to home.

[Trixie Mattel]

Little real.

[Nicole Byer]

Little too real.

[Trixie Mattel]

Don't get that comfortable.

[Nicole Byer]

No.

[Trixie Mattel]

Why don't you just comment? Work.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes. Work. Yes. Diva. Good job.

[Trixie Mattel]

Love you, Nicole. Love the pod.

[Nicole Byer]

Yes. That's nice. Well, Trixie, we did it.

[Trixie Mattel]

We did it.

[Nicole Byer]

Bye. That was a Hitgum podcast. Hi, I am Mandy Moore. Sterling K. Brown.

[Trixie Mattel]

And I'm Chris Sullivan. And we host the podcast. That was us now on Headgum.

[Nicole Byer]

Each episode, we're gonna go into a deep dive from our show. This is us. That's right.

[Trixie Mattel]

We're gonna go episode by ep.

[Nicole Byer]

Also gonna pepper in episodes with different guest stars and writers and casting directors.

[Headgum Ad Host (Beck Bennett/Kyle Mooney)]

Yeah.

[Nicole Byer]

Are we gonna cry?

[Trixie Mattel]

Yes. A little bit. Are we gonna laugh a lot. A whole lot. That's what I'm hoping, man.

[Nicole Byer]

Listen to. That was us on your favorite podcast app.

[Trixie Mattel]

Or watch full video episodes on YouTube or Spotify. New episodes every Tuesday.