Why Won't You Date Me? with Nicole Byer

Episode: The Funny Guy Trap (w/ Wayne Brady)
Release Date: April 4, 2025
Guest: Wayne Brady – actor, comedian, singer, improv legend

Episode Overview

Nicole Byer welcomes the multi-talented Wayne Brady to unpack the realities of dating while being “the funny guy.” They share candid stories about relationships, public personas versus private personalities, the pressures of fame, co-parenting as friends, and the role of performance in both dating and self-discovery. The conversation flows from laugh-out-loud anecdotes about being "trapped" by expectations to more vulnerable admissions about introversion, parenting, race, and the serendipity of career detours.

Key Topics & Insights

1. The Perils of Being “The Funny Guy” in Dating

• Wayne on Dating Expectations: Wayne discusses how people expect him to always be the outgoing, funny persona they see on TV:

  “I've actually had that conversation. And then I've also been told, 'You know, you're not as much fun as you are on TV.' I go, no. 'Cause that's my job. Well, your job is to make me happy.' Like, oh, well, then I quit.”
  (07:48) — Wayne Brady

• The challenge of managing public expectations versus private needs:

  “When I meet someone you try to date, I kind of have to put the Wayne Brady character on to even meet them...and then later, I'm like, 'Oh, fuck this. Here comes the mask.'”
  (09:25) — Wayne Brady

2. Nicole and Wayne Get Real: Authenticity in Relationships

• Nicole on Being Herself: Nicole owns her bold personality:

  “I'm a lot, and I come on strong. I wear my heart on my sleeve. I'll tell you all of my feelings.”
  (11:36) — Nicole Byer

• They reflect on the importance of accepting your partner’s quirks, not trying to change them:

  “You should be free to be you. You don't need me or anybody policing you, because I don't want that.”
  (15:05) — Wayne Brady

3. Navigating Fame & the Apps

• Wayne’s App Ambivalence: Wayne admits he’s never used dating apps, partly out of laziness and partly because of mixed feelings about dating people "in the industry" or outside of it:

  “It's been cool until they do the thing of, 'Oh, you're on TV...do something to make me laugh.'...I've also been told, 'You're not as much fun as you are on TV.'”
  (07:24) — Wayne Brady

• Nicole jokes about her own app experience and being waitlisted on Raya for two years.

4. Parenting & the Evolution of Criteria

• Fatherhood Across Decades: Wayne shares the joys and challenges of parenting a 22-year-old and a 2-year-old:

  “I'm definitely a different person at my age now than I was at 30 when Miley was born. So chasing around a two-year-old...I can keep up but I don't want to.”
  (18:41) — Wayne Brady

• Parenting and busy schedules redefine relationship criteria and force more self-reflection.

5. Friendship After Romance & Co-Parenting

• Wayne’s Co-Parenting Success: He explains the journey from marriage to best friends with his ex-wife Mandy:

  “We reached a point where after we had our child, we were not meant to be together...but there was always love. And then we said, no matter what, we're going to be family.”
  (23:01) — Wayne Brady

• Emphasizes therapy, growth, and the importance of putting their child first—a rare, healthy take on co-parenting after divorce.

6. Falling in Love with Performance & Musical Theater

• Origin Story: Wayne recounts overcoming a childhood stutter and shyness through musical theater:

  “I had a really bad stutter, so that made me not want to communicate...it wasn't until I was 16...my life changed. I was in the theater class...I got one of the leads in Oklahoma. And I did end up being Sandy’s boyfriend. But the best part...I went, oh, I guess I can do this.”
  (26:06; 28:44) — Wayne Brady

• Both Nicole and Wayne geek out over their shared love for musical theater, swapping memories of school shows and roles.

7. The “Kinky Boots” Experience

• On Dancing in Heels: Wayne shares “the pain and the power” of playing Lola:

  “After the first day of rehearsal...I called my agent, I said, 'Kevin, I don't think I can do this.' ...Luckily, I stuck it through. But kudos to women.”
  (38:24) — Wayne Brady

• The surprising empowerment of femininity in performance:

  “I've never felt like more of a man than when I was in those heels and I'm in a dress and wig...I felt super powerful.”
  (39:22) — Wayne Brady

8. Gender, Masculinity & Social Norms

• The evolution of gender norms; why men should don heels, wigs, or a man-purse without fear.

  “Men, in the days of yore, men had purses...Men, royalty wore high heels...Men wore wigs...We wore things to adorn ourselves...”
  (40:21) — Wayne Brady

• The harmful policing of gender norms in dating and friendship.

9. Race & Early Lessons on Navigating the World

• Race & Relationships: Wayne recounts his first girlfriend, Sandy, and her racist father, which forced “very early lessons” about negotiating race and relationships in Florida.

  “Sandy was my first kiss. Whose father was incredibly racist...it's always cool when somebody's parent is like, 'Come on over,' but as soon as you express some interest...then they're like, 'Not in my house.'”
  (46:11; 47:19) — Wayne Brady

• Nicole on Race and Identity: Nicole shares her parents' decision to name her “Nicole” so “on paper, my name looks white.”
  (48:11) — Nicole Byer

• Discussion of "Make America Great Again" and Black generational experience.

10. Career Detours: Disney, Universal, and the Magic of Being Fired

• The Disney Firing Story: Wayne hilariously tells how he was fired from Disney for a supposed Tigger tail infraction in “the most Florida story ever.”

  • “That story is the equivalent of the police captain about to retire: 'I'll cover you just this one time. What could happen?' And then I get shot. That’s what happened to me.”
    (54:37) — Wayne Brady

• How Getting Fired Opened Doors: That firing led to work at Universal, further honing his improv and performance skills—serendipitous turns Nicole relates to her own experience with getting fired from Lane Bryant:

  “I love a story that, like...you could have been like, well, I guess that's it for me...But then it was like, no, there's another theme park here. I will work at the...there are multiple theme parks.”
  (64:05) — Nicole Byer

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Quirky Love:

  “I like when you say things like that. It's nice to know how your brain works.”
  (14:28) — Nicole’s boyfriend (as recalled by Nicole)

• On Dating App Fatigue:

  “I'm too lazy to make the profile. First off, let's start there.”
  (05:19) — Wayne Brady

• On Gender Policing:

  “Why did you have that word primed?” (in response to racism in online gaming)
  (33:54) — Wayne Brady

• On Self-Love (RuPaul wisdom):

  “How the hell you gonna love somebody else if you don't love yourself?”
  (67:22) — Wayne Brady

• Nicole’s Classic Question:

  “Would you date me?”
  (68:10) — Nicole Byer
  Wayne: “Yes. Hell yeah.”
  (68:14)

• On “Lame Giant” and Retail Jobs:

  “I wrote ‘Lame Giant’ in the payee...they sent it back with a letter saying, ‘That’s not funny.’”
  (66:00) — Nicole Byer

Timestamps for Key Segments

• Public Persona vs. Real Self, Dating as “The Funny Guy”: 03:25–11:06
• Authenticity in Relationships & Being Yourself: 11:20–16:31
• Parenting, Evolving Relationship Criteria: 18:12–20:54
• Co-Parenting with an Ex & Therapy: 21:06–24:10
• Overcoming Shyness with Performance, Theater Stories: 25:55–32:23
• Kinky Boots and Masculinity, Women’s Labor Power: 35:29–39:41
• Gender, Fashion, and Dating Norms: 40:21–43:10
• Race, First Love, and Navigating Racism: 43:24–48:00
• Disney Firing Story & Finding a New Path: 51:23–64:05
• Advice for Singles & Wrap-up: 67:22–68:27

Closing Thoughts & Takeaways

• Dating as a public figure comes with unique challenges—managing assumptions and boundaries is tough.
• Authenticity and self-acceptance are crucial; performative relationships inevitably collapse.
• Sometimes setbacks (like getting fired) are necessary course corrections toward greater self-fulfillment.
• Healthy co-parenting and friendship after love require humility, therapy, and mutual commitment.
• Gender norms and expectations hurt everybody; true confidence (even in heels!) comes from embracing the full range of self-expression.
• Self-love is the foundation for all healthy relationships. The right person will prefer the real you, quirks and all.

Guest & Host Plugs

• Wayne Brady:
  • Listen to his new Headgum podcast, What If, an improvised show with surprise twists and musical moments.
  • Catch Wayne and Jonathan Mangum on “Let’s Make a Deal,” “Whose Line Is It Anyway?,” and live improv shows (“Making Shit Up”).
• Nicole Byer:
  • Subscribe to the podcast, rate and review!
  • Watch Nicole in Newcomers (with Lauren Lapkus) and her many other shows.
  • Submit your best (or worst) dirty messages for a chance to be read on the podcast.

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