Presenting: Julia on Conan O'Brien Needs A Friend

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Presenting: Julia on Conan O'Brien Needs A Friend"

Podcast: Wiser Than Me with Julia Louis-Dreyfus (via Conan O'Brien Needs A Friend)
Host: Conan O'Brien
Guest: Julia Louis-Dreyfus
Date: December 21, 2025

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Main Theme and Purpose

This episode features Julia Louis-Dreyfus guesting on "Conan O'Brien Needs A Friend" for a candid, witty, and thoughtful conversation about aging, wisdom, comedy, and the inspiration behind Julia's acclaimed podcast, "Wiser Than Me." The episode blends comedic banter with genuine reflections on the value of learning from elders, the shifting landscape of show business, and embracing new personal and professional chapters.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Genesis of "Wiser Than Me"

• Julia shares her motivation for interviewing iconic older women (13:38, 14:06):
  • Inspired by Jane Fonda’s documentary and the lack of platforms for older women’s voices.
  • Sees the show as a way to learn “tips from the front lines of life.”
• Julia highlights notable guests: Jane Fonda, Isabel Allende, Fran Lebowitz, Carol Burnett, Darlene Love (14:06-15:08).

Quote:

“Why are we not hearing from older women?... That was really the genesis of this.” — Julia Louis-Dreyfus [14:06]

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2. Society’s Relationship with Aging

• Discussion on the shift from revering elders to glorifying youth post-1960s (15:54-16:16).
• Julia underscores ageism, especially toward women:
  • “Older women are particularly discarded, more so than men. So, you know, let's change that narrative.” — Julia Louis-Dreyfus [17:08]

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3. Aging, Self-Reflection, and Learning

• Jane Fonda’s “three acts of life” concept: examining one’s past and embracing the third act (38:39-40:12).
• Ruth Reichl’s advice: keep doing things that frighten you; stay physically fit.
• Conan and Julia both reflect on entering new life stages, confronting milestones, and how gratitude is central to aging well (40:12-42:11).

Quote:

“I've been doing a lot of inventorying... 20-year cycles... keeping score, adding it up, and for the most part feeling content about it.” — Conan O'Brien [41:20]

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4. Comedy, Creativity, and Evolution

• Both discuss freedom in show business today: less pressure for fame, more focus on meaningful work (17:58-18:35).
• Julia’s career transitions (Seinfeld, Veep, Marvel) – making choices suited to her family and evolving interests (18:35-19:47).
• Conan and Julia praise continually trying new things and not resting on previous achievements (44:25-45:30).

Quote:

“You have to keep trying things that you are challenged by and that are not in your muscle memory.” — Conan O'Brien [44:25]

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5. Parenting, Family, and Upbringing

• Both reminisce about their comedic roots and how family humor shaped them:
  • Julia’s childhood play “Serendipity” led to her first big laugh (29:57-30:28).
• Shared experiences of raising children with a blend of ethics and light religious exposure, contrasted by their own upbringings (31:27-36:45).

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6. Physical Comedy and Aging on Screen

• Conan, Julia, and the team riff on how TV and societal depictions of age have changed.
• Lighthearted moments about physical comedy, with Conan joking about cosmetic surgery and aging in the public eye (64:02-67:54).

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7. Reflections on Wisdom from Podcast Guests

• Insights gained from guests like Jane Fonda and Isabel Allende: letting go, prioritizing happiness, and the freedom of age (51:47-54:17).
• The importance of mindfulness, being less neurotic, and focusing on what matters as you age.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On starting "Wiser Than Me":
  “It's been kind of mind-expanding to do it... daunting because I'm talking to some hyper intelligent people.”— Julia Louis-Dreyfus [14:06]

• On women's voices with age:
  “Older women are particularly discarded, you know, more so than men. So, you know, let's change that narrative.” — Julia Louis-Dreyfus [17:08]

• Jane Fonda’s impact:
  “She’s done what she calls a life review… I’m in my third act, right? And so I’m starting to think about… it was mind expanding talking to her and so many other people.”— Julia Louis-Dreyfus [38:39]

• On professional evolution:
  “You have to keep trying things that you are challenged by and that are not in your muscle memory.” — Conan O’Brien [44:25]

• On gratitude and aging:
  “I keep coming back to the same general feeling of gratitude and just happy to be here.” — Conan O’Brien [41:20]

• On physical comedy and self-care:
  “You are exactly the same, at least to me, in terms of your physicality and the things that you do from when I first started working for you.” — Sona Movsesian [65:21]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Julia Introduces the Episode & Why “Wiser Than Me” Exists: [00:51]–[01:51]
• Banter and Comic Opening (Peacocks, Bobcats, Lipstick): [02:32]–[13:14]
• Julia’s Podcast Inspiration, Guest Highlights, & Ageism: [13:14]–[17:08]
• Society’s View of Aging & Elders: [15:54]–[16:16]
• Comedy and The Evolving Career Path: [17:58]–[19:11]
• Marvel Crossover—Julia’s New Roles: [19:08]–[21:55]
• First Comedic Instincts, Family Humor Roots: [29:36]–[31:09]
• Raising Kids, Blended Upbringings: [31:27]–[36:45]
• Talking to Kamala Harris About Veep: [36:48]–[37:47]
• Lessons from Podcast Guests: [38:39]–[42:11]
• Conan and Julia on Embracing the Next Chapter: [42:11]–[45:30]
• Wisdom and Freedom of Age, Jane Fonda Story: [49:15]–[54:34]
• Goofy Birthday Segment—Comedy and Aging: [61:05]–[70:46]
• Heartfelt Closing Statements: [70:14]–[71:10]

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Tone and Energy

The episode is spirited, familiar, and playful, marked by quick comic interplay and mutual respect. Julia and Conan balance zany tangents (lipstick, bobcats, birthday gags) with vulnerability about confronting change, legacy, and what it means to “get wise.” The humor is sharp but often self-deprecating, and both hosts are open and unguarded about their journeys.

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This episode is both a reflection on the importance of learning from others—especially older women—and a meta-comic meditation on change, creativity, and aging with humor and heart.

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For listeners new to both shows, it’s an ideal primer on what makes both Julia and Conan enduring figures in comedy: their curiosity, fearlessness in conversation, and ability to be silly and wise at once.

Transcript

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Hearing a voice can change everything. So AT&T wants everyone to gift their voice to loved ones this holiday season because that conversation is a chance to say something they'll hear forever. AT&T connecting changes everything. Hey, it's me, Julia Louis Dreyfus. We are officially back with a brand new season of Wiser Than Me. To celebrate your out of this world support for our show, we've been brewing up something special. A Wiser Than Me Mirror Traveler. It's a versatile, sustainable travel mug to keep your coffee hot and your tea cozy all year round. It's perfect for wise women on the go. Head over to wiserthanmeshop.com to grab yours now. Okay, here's the show.

[Conan O'Brien]

Lemonade.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Hi, Wiser Than Me listeners. It's Julia. We're taking a little holiday break, but while we're away, I wanted to share a conversation I had with my good friend Conan o' Brien on his podcast, Conan o' Brien Needs a Friend. We talked about what inspired me to start this podcast, my very first first grade school play where I realized I might have a knack for comedy and a few other things. I think you're really gonna enjoy it. And after you listen, check out Conan o' Brien Needs a Friend. Wherever you get your podcasts, to hear Conan's conversations with folks like Jeff Goldblum, Bill Hader, Amy Poehler, and many more. Happy holidays from all of us here at Wiser Than Me. Uh, my name is Julia Louis Dreyfuss. Hi. And I feel, you know, not much okay about being Conan's friend.

[Conan O'Brien]

So it's like a. It's a dead feeling. It's a really? You just feel alive?

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

No, it's not dead. I mean, I feel very much alive, personally, but.

[Conan O'Brien]

Fall is here. Hear the yell Back to school, Ring the bell Brand new shoes Walking loose Climb the fence Books and pens I can tell that we are gonna be friends Yes, I can tell that we are gonna be friends hello and welcome to Conan o' Brien Needs a Friend. I put a tiny pause in there after hello and welcome and then the title of the podcast, just to create drama, dramatic tension, incredible tension.

[Matt Gourley]

Anything could happen. This episode now, I don't think anybody.

[Sona Movsesian]

Knew what we were listening to.

[Conan O'Brien]

Anything could happen and anything will.

[Matt Gourley]

Oh, my God. I don't feel safe.

[Conan O'Brien]

I've triggered you with my silences. How's everybody doing? How are you, Mr. Goarly?

[Matt Gourley]

I'm doing pretty good. We haven't seen each other in a while because you've been Galavantin and Globe Trotting.

[Conan O'Brien]

I've been globetrotting, gallivanting out there, doing my thing. Yeah, I've covered a lot of ground, but I'm back.

[Sona Movsesian]

You got sick?

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, I got a little sick. Yeah. It's all right. It's just what happens when I travel a lot. I always catch a cold when I'm in the plane a lot. And some people say it's the selfies. I love to. I will offer a selfie if someone doesn't even want one.

[Sona Movsesian]

Oh, no.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. I'll be like, hey, you. You want a selfie? What? Don't you want a selfie? I was a late night king. What? I really.

[Matt Gourley]

There goes all the dramatic tension.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, I was a late night king there. That's their tension for you, anyway. Yeah. So if someone has a cold in any of the places I've been, I will catch it.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

And how about you, Sona? How are you?

[Sona Movsesian]

I'm good. I feel like. I don't want to say this because it makes me sound really stupid, but, you know, I live in Aladina, and there's a lot of animals there. And we have friends down the street, these guys, Jeff and Amanda, and they're wonderful. And they always warn us if there's animals.

[Conan O'Brien]

When you say animals, mean, like. When you mean like peacocks.

[Sona Movsesian]

Coyotes. Like legit animals.

[Conan O'Brien]

Peacocks.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yeah. There's peacocks just chilling on our street.

[Matt Gourley]

In our neighborhood, too.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yeah. What is that about?

[Matt Gourley]

I think they're all from Arcadia in the arboretum. They all escaped.

[Sona Movsesian]

You know what?

[Matt Gourley]

What? I.

[Sona Movsesian]

You mad at me because you have the answer.

[Conan O'Brien]

Is that true? Did they escape? They escaped peacocks.

[Matt Gourley]

I don't know if they. I think they are escaped from. Yeah, the arboretum.

[Conan O'Brien]

You know, it's funny.

[Matt Gourley]

We have a daughter there and it stole her grilled cheese. Well.

[Conan O'Brien]

Could have been anyone. Don't you. You know, to immediately accuse a peacock.

[Matt Gourley]

We saw it happen.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, you saw. You saw the peacock do it. I have to say, LA is a very strange place because these animals get loose. There's a whole bunch of parrots that live in our neighborhood that clearly they escaped. And they're up in the trees and they all know Filthy Limeric. Once was a lady from Nantucket. She really knew how to suck it, you know? And you're like, I'm trying to raise my children. Caw, caw.

[Sona Movsesian]

Ca. Gah.

[Conan O'Brien]

And it's awful. It's terrible. But, yeah, these. There's very strange animals roaming around LA and Altadena. It's a little out there.

[Sona Movsesian]

It's up there.

[Conan O'Brien]

It's up there. It's at elevation. You live up the mountains.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yeah. So our neighbor Jeff texted us and was like, bobcat headed towards your backyard.

[Conan O'Brien]

I love it. I love it.

[Sona Movsesian]

I immediately thought he meant the machine and not the animal.

[Matt Gourley]

Oh, I thought you were gonna say bobcat Goldthwait.

[Sona Movsesian]

So this is why. This is stupid.

[Conan O'Brien]

But wait a minute. You thought bobcat meaning this. This. The snowmobile?

[Matt Gourley]

What, like a pool excavator?

[Conan O'Brien]

Wait, what are we talking about?

[Sona Movsesian]

This is so stupid. What? This is why I didn't want to sell this.

[Conan O'Brien]

Bobcat is a. Yeah, that's.

[Sona Movsesian]

I thought that's what he meant.

[Conan O'Brien]

It's a. It's just like a snowmobile.

[Matt Gourley]

I thought someone rented a little mini tractor. Yeah.

[Sona Movsesian]

And then was driving it into her backyard.

[Matt Gourley]

Oh, my God.

[Conan O'Brien]

Sona, that's.

[Sona Movsesian]

But then I have to pull this up. It's very quick and it's very easy because it's so stupid. But this is what I thought he was talking about. I thought he was talking about the machine. I'm just gonna search bobcat, because that's the only.

[Conan O'Brien]

When I heard bobcat, I thought, it's the thing that races around on the snow. Bobcat. Is that not what bobcat is?

[Matt Gourley]

No, you're talking about a bobsled.

[Sona Movsesian]

I'm thinking about the machine.

[Conan O'Brien]

The tractor.

[Sona Movsesian]

The tractor, yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Should we clean this up, then? Cause my thing might be too confusing.

[Matt Gourley]

No, it's. We're talking about it.

[Conan O'Brien]

All right. All right.

[Matt Gourley]

It's nice for people to see your flaws and foibles.

[Sona Movsesian]

So he tells us that. And then he just went. Bobcat just went towards your backyard. And I go, a real one?

[Matt Gourley]

You still mean a real tractor?

[Sona Movsesian]

I thought he was.

[Conan O'Brien]

What if it was a bobcat riding one of those little vehicles? That would be great.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

And he looked at you and he winked right at the camera and went, get it.

[Sona Movsesian]

It was so stupid. So this whole time, he's texting me, warning me about this animal. I think he's talking about the machine. So he goes, no, bobcat Goldthwaite. Yes, a bobcat.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, wow.

[Sona Movsesian]

And I go, why?

[Conan O'Brien]

Why?

[Matt Gourley]

Oh, Jesus.

[Conan O'Brien]

So all this time, you could have been rescuing your twins in the backyard from a murdering wild animal, and instead you're going back and forth like, bobcat, real one. What do you mean? Bobcat Vultwait.

[Sona Movsesian]

Cuckoo.

[Conan O'Brien]

And meanwhile, in the background, he's, like, wrapping them up in tortillas.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yeah. Yeah. So it just. It went on. And then he goes. And then I go, why? And he goes, maybe Steve Guttenberg was running, so we're just having two different conversations. It's so stupid. And then it hit me, and I go, I thought you meant the machine. And I was like. Like someone rented a bobcat and was going to do work in our backyard. And then it hit me, and I was like, fuck. A bobcat.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, my children are back there. And I just covered them in ham gravy, as is an old Armenian tradition when children go out to play alone in the backyard.

[Matt Gourley]

Yeah, this is serious business. When we moved into our house, we inherited two bunnies, and they were killed by a bobcat.

[Sona Movsesian]

Oh, you. Yeah, I think you. And then didn't you make a thing for them so they would be saved?

[Matt Gourley]

Well, the. This is sad, but the bobcat took one of them, and we thought it was a coyote, so I coyote proofed their pen. By the way, the people that gave us this were the people that lived there prior and said, oh, there's never been an issue. Well, they had three large dogs, so they were keeping the. We didn't have those. And so I coyote proofed it, and then the next day, the other one was gone.

[Conan O'Brien]

Wait, what? So when you coyote proof something, it doesn't bobcat proof?

[Matt Gourley]

No, because bobcats are actually small. They're not much bigger than a house cat. So I made, like, a mesh fence that a bobcat could still get through. I didn't know there were bobcats.

[Conan O'Brien]

I got a call not too long ago that there was a ram in my backyard, and I was so excited. It was a Dodge Ram, and it was doing figure eights.

[Sona Movsesian]

It was.

[Conan O'Brien]

It was the Realtor, and we could just keep doing this on and on and on.

[Matt Gourley]

I got a call that there was a Segway in my backyard, and I said, the scooter? And they said, no, just the transit between speech and.

[Conan O'Brien]

Our guest today. My guest today.

[Matt Gourley]

Hold on, there's more. Oh, no, there's not.

[Conan O'Brien]

You. I had the perfect way in, and you fucked it up. Speaking of segues, my guest today played one of the most iconic sitcom characters of all time, Elaine Bennis on Seinfeld. She also won six consecutive Emmys for her role as Selina Meyer on the HBO series Veep. God, that's a funny show. Now she has a new podcast, Wiser Than Me, available wherever you get your podcasts. I'm thrilled, delighted she's here today. Julia Louis Dreyfus, welcome. Thank you so much for being here.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Well, thank you for including me in your fancy situ. Oh, are we being videotaped?

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Oh, God. I should have gotten proper hair and makeup.

[Conan O'Brien]

You look amazing.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

No, I don't.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, you do. You do.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

All right.

[Conan O'Brien]

There you go.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Thank you.

[Conan O'Brien]

Assuming.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

But I should put lipstick on.

[Conan O'Brien]

I'd put lipstick on.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

You want some of mine? I'm gonna give you my lipstick.

[Matt Gourley]

Please, please wear lipstick for this episode.

[Sona Movsesian]

Put some lipstick on.

[Conan O'Brien]

But then my germs will be on. Is it okay if I really use that?

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

I don't care.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, wow.

[Matt Gourley]

It's your color, too. It's kind of a copper.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. Okay, Copper. All right. Because you should know, I have.

[Matt Gourley]

I don't know anything about this.

[Sona Movsesian]

Okay?

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

You put it on like an idiot.

[Sona Movsesian]

Look at this.

[Conan O'Brien]

Cause I haven't done it before.

[Sona Movsesian]

Oh, my God.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Oh, look at.

[Matt Gourley]

You look like a drunk clown.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Oh, my God.

[Sona Movsesian]

How does it look so good on her and so awful on you?

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Well, first of all, I have to say the color's not bad on him.

[Matt Gourley]

That's what I'm saying.

[Conan O'Brien]

Right?

[Matt Gourley]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

This would be my color. What color is this?

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

So I know it's made by Mac Cosmetics, and it's faux.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay, well, we know what my color is, is faux. And I'm committing to this.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Good.

[Conan O'Brien]

Now, at some point, I might wipe it off. If we start talking about something really heavy, I don't know, I might wipe it off.

[Sona Movsesian]

This is so much of it.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

The only issue, really, honestly, it does look good. Is that it's out. Yeah, it's out of bounds. Which is. Which is. Does have sort of an insane asylum look to it.

[Conan O'Brien]

Do you know what I mean?

[Matt Gourley]

Real joker thing going on.

[Conan O'Brien]

But isn't that the classic thing when a.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Can I fix your lips?

[Conan O'Brien]

Yes.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Okay. Does this fuck up the podcast?

[Conan O'Brien]

No, not at all. This is dynamic. It enhances.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, I had this dream once.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Okay, quiet.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay, quiet. Yeah. Wow, that's good.

[Matt Gourley]

This is special.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Does anybody have makeup remover? This man has done a number. Look here at me. Yeah, it's better.

[Matt Gourley]

Okay, now mascara.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay, now listen, we'll leave your fantasies out of this, Matt. Damn hose pantyhose. Sona will tell you that I am a serial over applier.

[Sona Movsesian]

Oh, my God.

[Conan O'Brien]

Like, when I put sunblock on or anything on, it's angry. Like, it's an angry kind of Irish caffeine.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

But that's good about sunscreen.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. But when I brush my teeth, I brush them real hard and my gums bleed. And I've had dentists say, stop it. Your skull coming apart because of the way you brush your teeth. And I'll say, I just hate myself. And they go, yeah, you just gotta. You gotta try and just chill when you brush your teeth. But listen back to me and then.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

And then back to you again and.

[Conan O'Brien]

Then back to me a third time and then getting to me.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Wow. I think, yeah, we're running out of time.

[Conan O'Brien]

Pretty much done. You were right to really not feel anything when you came in here. You were right. Your instincts were on target. This is your second appearance on the podcast.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Okay. Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Uh huh. And so clearly you were delighted or your team was delighted. So they had you come back against your wishes.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Yes.

[Conan O'Brien]

I just love having you here. You are adored. You know that people.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Well, that's very nice of you to say. I actually did have a good time when I was on your podcast last time. It was one of the first podcasts I'd ever done, I think.

[Conan O'Brien]

And now you have a podcast.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Oh yeah, and now I have a podcast.

[Conan O'Brien]

You have a podcast now. And I listened to your interview with Jane Fonda and I thought it was great. Thank you. You have a terrific podcast voice. I'm not a fan of my voice, but I think your voice is really good.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Thank you.

[Conan O'Brien]

It's a great idea for podcast to. Wiser than me.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Wiser than me, yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Which is you're talking to older women, getting their wisdom.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

That's the plan.

[Conan O'Brien]

When I first heard you had a podcast and that you had done a bunch, my initial thought was I was hurt that I wasn't invited. And then I heard that the premise was I'm talking to older women. And then I thought again, I still think I could qualify. I could come on as just, you know, a guy who's right on the edge maybe. But it's a terrific idea. It's really good.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Thank you. Yeah, it's been kind of mind expanding to do it. And also daunting because I'm talking to some hyper intelligent people. And so. But I got the idea. Cause I saw. Did you see Jane Fonda's the documentary about her? Yeah, Jane Fonda in five acts. And I was so blown away by the scope of her life and everything that she's done and. And thought and been. And then I started thinking, well, why are we not hearing from older women? I mean, for real, why are we not hearing from older women? And so that was really the genesis of this. And it's been just pretty mind blowing that I talked to Isabel Allende and Fran Leibowitz. Please. So fabulous. But lots of. But all walks of life and it's been Darlene Love and I'm talking to Carol Burnett tomorrow.

[Conan O'Brien]

That's amazing.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Yeah, I know.

[Conan O'Brien]

She's. People throw around national treasure and you think, yeah, Carol Burnett. She should be in there. Sometimes they throw that term around and you think, no, not national treasure, but yes. My God.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

My God.

[Conan O'Brien]

Carol Burnett.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

My God. And she's, like, gonna be 90. Yes. Isn't that remarkable? Yeah. She's gonna be 90 years old. God love her. She's great.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yeah.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

What an extraordinary life she's had. Anyway, so it's been interesting just to do it through the lens of, you know, give me tips from the front lines of life, which is where you are.

[Conan O'Brien]

Right.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

And tell us. Tell me what I should know. What do you wish you had known now that you know it and you know. And it's been pretty fantastic?

[Conan O'Brien]

Something happened. I think for most of human history, we revered old people.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

That's right.

[Conan O'Brien]

They were the elders.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

We made them the keepers of all the wisdom. And then sometime around 1966, we decided that anyone over 40 was an idiot and shouldn't be listened to. And I think that was a mistake.

[Matt Gourley]

I'm sorry. This is the serious moment where you forget you're wearing lipstick.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, I don't forget it. I don't forget it. Trust me. I think especially women need to be heard at this moment. And this lipstick is helping me. This is gonna undertake. It's gonna undercut. Like, what if I start really talking about how racism is a problem? I really start talking about very serious stuff or genocide in some foreign country. And the video comes out of me with this makeup on.

[Matt Gourley]

It looks like you just had a fudgesicle.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

I gotta say, I don't think it's bad. I think it's a subtle color, so I'm not. I think it works for you.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. It's gonna smush it around a little. It feels good, too.

[Sona Movsesian]

Why are you smooshing it? Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

What's that?

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Here's a Kleenex.

[Conan O'Brien]

What does that do?

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

I don't know if you wanted to take it off because you're trying to make a serious point about aging.

[Conan O'Brien]

Gracefully.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

But I also think. Actually, I think that. Oh, I was supposed. Oh, no, there's the belly button. Mark. Sorry. I actually think that older women are particularly discarded, you know, more so than men.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yes.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

No doubt.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

So, you know, let's change that narrative.

[Conan O'Brien]

How many are you going to do a year? Do you know how many of these.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Well, I just did 10.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay. That's a lot.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

I listened to your one with Jane Fonda and it looked like you'd Put a lot of thought into it. And it felt very well constructed, especially the first part. And I thought, huh, that's different than my approach. We go in half assed and start babbling and maybe some lipstick is exchanged. But yours was. I felt beautifully put together.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Thanks. That's really nice for you to say. And yeah, I worked hard on it.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

I kind of feel. Tell me how you feel about this, but I feel like we're in this nice place. This was something I think about all the time in show business where there's so many different ways to put yourself out there. And I know that there used to be a time when the goal was get a TV show, get on a TV show and then get into movies. And I'm thinking, especially when you were on Seinfeld, it's probably like, okay, I was on snl, now I'm on Seinfeld, then I gotta get into movies, and then I become a movie star. Because that has to be the trajectory. And what we see now, no one cares. They just care about good work.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

I know what you mean about the television to movie thing. And back when I was doing Seinfeld, that's when I had both of my kids, you know, so the idea. And we were making 22 episodes. Remember those days when it was 22 episodes a season or 24 or whatever? So the idea of going off during the hiatus and making movies was just no bueno for me. I couldn't bear the idea of it. And the irony of all of this is that, like, in the last year and a half, I've made a ton of movies. Yeah, it's so weird.

[Conan O'Brien]

And you're in the Marvel universe now.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

I know I am.

[Conan O'Brien]

That's nuts. Tell me about that. Because let me tell you something, Once you're in that club, forget about it.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

I don't know if that's the case, but I'm really doing this to impress my kids. And I'm not shitting you. I really am. I mean, they wanted, you know, they both would say, mom, come on, why can't you be in whatever the hell it is? And I, And I said, yeah. And so I met with these guys and I said, you know, I could be. I mean, I could do something. You know, I could punch somebody and, you know, fly around or whatever. Anyway, cut to.

[Conan O'Brien]

That was all it took.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

That's all it took. Wait a minute.

[Conan O'Brien]

Why don't.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

By the way, that was my pitch. That was the actual pitch I made.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay, well, guess what? I think I could punch somebody and.

[Matt Gourley]

Fly around a little bit, maybe take a punch.

[Conan O'Brien]

I could be punched and people could fly over me, but I don't see why I can't be part of it.

[Matt Gourley]

It's dc, but Plastic man feels like you.

[Conan O'Brien]

I mean, my. Okay, I'm very.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Get your reps to get a meeting for you with Kevin Feige and all those people and pitch yourself.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yes, I'm going to. Well, this is my pitch right now. I don't get out a lot, so I'm just gonna send them this segment of the podcast. But Kevin Feige and the Marvel gang, Come on. You know I've got a fan base. Why are you making noises?

[Sona Movsesian]

I don't know. I think maybe you'd be like an extra. Is that mean to say?

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, but I think not. Nice to say.

[Sona Movsesian]

I'm sorry, but I think that a distracting extra. Yeah. But.

[Conan O'Brien]

Hey, who's that handsome? He could drink a water in the background.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

He could be like a snarky.

[Sona Movsesian]

What? Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

What? Yes. Yeah, that's my. My superpower is snark.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Now, first of all, you're not going to have a superpower.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yes, thank you. Thank you. That's what I was trying to say. You're not going to be one of the hero.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay, so I'll be the. I'll be a guy who is. I'm working. I'm cooking the books in the background.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Yeah, you might be like a corporate snarky guy that I could see.

[Sona Movsesian]

That's true.

[Conan O'Brien]

This is fantastic. Yeah, maybe I'm not sending this to Marvel.

[Matt Gourley]

It's too late. Your cast.

[Conan O'Brien]

But, but I mean, so your kids now.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

My kids. My kids. My grown men children.

[Conan O'Brien]

Right, your 45 year old children.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Seriously.

[Conan O'Brien]

No, they. But now they must want to come to the set because they want to see like, oh, you know, you're shooting Falcon and the Winter Soldier. I want to be there. I want to meet Falcon. I want to see all this cool stuff.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

They haven't asked me to come to the set. Maybe they'll come. I'm going down. I'm going to be shooting starting in June for many months, so I suspect that they may want to come then. And there's going to be lots of fancy people in it, and so they'll get to meet. If they come, they would get to meet. I don't know. We'll see. Maybe they'll come.

[Conan O'Brien]

I have to say, my kids never ask to meet people. They're very polite. They've never bothered to meet anyone. And then every now and then, when they do really want to meet someone. I don't have the clout to make it happen.

[Sona Movsesian]

Right.

[Conan O'Brien]

So, like, you know. Yeah. My daughter would flip if I could say, hey, you know Taylor Swift? Do you want to meet her? And that's not happening. Taylor Swift's team has told me. No, I haven't even approached. But she's just.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

But you're pretty sure you're going to get a pass?

[Conan O'Brien]

I'm pretty sure that I'm not even going to try, so I'm not going to try.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Okay, well, fine. I can't help you.

[Conan O'Brien]

I think you could.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

No, I can't.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yes, you could. You have more clout than I have. You could call Taylor Swift's people and.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Say, look, Conan's kids want to meet her.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, Conan wants to meet her with one of his kids.

[Matt Gourley]

Oh, that's what this is.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

But I want to go in first.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Yeah.

[Sona Movsesian]

Your daughter.

[Conan O'Brien]

And have like a lunch. And then my daughter can come in at the end. Yeah.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Why don't you fabricate a pitch? I mean, you've got this company now, so why don't you come up with a story idea or something you were pitching her?

[Conan O'Brien]

That's it?

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

That's how you're gonna do it?

[Conan O'Brien]

That's how I do it, yeah.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

And you say you need to pitch it to her just like over lunch and then you have your kids come by.

[Conan O'Brien]

Right.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Okay, we figured it out.

[Conan O'Brien]

This is perfect.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Now we gotta figure out the pitch.

[Conan O'Brien]

You play Flailer Snitch.

[Matt Gourley]

That's your marvel name.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, exactly. I don't have a good pitch for her.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

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[Conan O'Brien]

Who are the people that you've met over the years? Because you probably have just had the chance to meet everybody at this point.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

No.

[Conan O'Brien]

Have you met everybody?

[Sona Movsesian]

No.

[Conan O'Brien]

What are you talking about?

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

You. First of all, I don't know what you're talking about. Why would I have met everybody? I mean, honestly, I don't. I'm kind of private, and I don't go out there and try to meet everybody.

[Conan O'Brien]

What is that your. The word on the street. Yeah. Is that you're desperately trying to meet everyone. That's what it says in my notes. Desperate to be met. It says, wants to be seen. I think you're reading your own bio. Oh, shit. This is Conan. I'm sorry. Where's yours? Here it is. I was going to just ask you what was it like growing up with freckles? I was gonna compliment you on. You're such a great comedian in every way. But I think one of the hardest things to do is physical comedy. When did you figure out, oh, I can do physical comedy and I can do it very well. Was that something you figure out when you're a kid?

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

I don't. There wasn't a moment. I just think I'm, you know, just trying to get the laugh.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yep.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

And so if a physical movement can.

[Conan O'Brien]

Is called for.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Is called For I'm all in.

[Conan O'Brien]

I always think these things reveal themselves when you're third grade. Fourth grade is when I think people start around. Then is when people start to figure out if they're funny or not.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Well, to that end, there was a play I was in in fourth grade called Serendipity. And I was the queen, and I was a queen character. And at some point in the play, somebody was supposed to say something to me and it was gonna make me faint. And I did it, and it got a huge laugh. But I didn't mean it to get a laugh.

[Conan O'Brien]

Right, right.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

And I don't even think it was a particularly funny scene. It wasn't meant to be funny. It was just the queen fainted.

[Conan O'Brien]

Right.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

But I got the laugh and I was very pleased.

[Conan O'Brien]

You got that dopamine hit.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

I got that hit.

[Conan O'Brien]

And then you're thinking, how do I get more of this?

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yes.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Now, was your family funny?

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Yeah, in a. Yes. I mean, not like it wasn't like, crack a joke every second kind of a thing, but, yeah, there was a sort of a black humor that was in place that was very, what shall we say, life saving.

[Conan O'Brien]

That it is. Yeah, it can be.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Is your family funny?

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, they're very funny. But it also. It's this theory I have that comedy is this way to address things that are not supposed to be spoken about.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Yes.

[Conan O'Brien]

So if there's any tension in the family because we're rigidly Catholic or we are, there's certain areas that are not to be spoken of that you get around that by being funny. And that's a way to sort of talk about things but not really mean it.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Are you a practicing Catholic now?

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, that's a very personal question.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Yeah, but I'm curious.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, then you have a right to know. I would say I'm in the. I think it's in my bones. I would say somewhat lapsed, let's put it that way.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Did you raise your children in a religious way?

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, this is gonna upset people, but no, mom, dad, they're not listening. Oh, thanks. Not because they're too old, but because they just isn't really. They don't like my stuff.

[Sona Movsesian]

No.

[Conan O'Brien]

I would say we raise them to be highly ethical and moral.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

But start quizzing them on details from the New Testament and they will not do. Well, how about you?

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

The same. For real. I mean, I wasn't raised Catholic. I was raised nothing.

[Conan O'Brien]

But it'd be funny if you were raised nothing and then raised your kids very rigidly Catholic.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

That would be funny.

[Conan O'Brien]

No one ever does that.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

No, you never.

[Conan O'Brien]

No one ever says, you know what? Yeah, exactly. You can't get the toothpaste into the tube. No.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Right.

[Conan O'Brien]

That never happens.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Right. There was a period of time that my mother took us to the Unitarian Church. But then the minister, I think he killed himself. Oh, yeah. I'm sorry.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, no, no, it's okay.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

But he did and so didn't feel like the right fit anymore.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. If the guy who's leading you on your spiritual journey takes himself out of the picture.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

I mean, yeah, that's not good.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

God love him. But anyway, so. Yeah, so I did not have. But my husband's was raised big time Episcopal and his dad was a minister. So he grew up in the church. Yeah, yeah. Actually in Santa Barbara. By the way, that church on San. Or it's actually on Eucalyptus Lane.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. They have beautiful churches up there. There are these Spanish style churches.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Well, this one's Craftsmen. It's called All Saints by the Sea.

[Conan O'Brien]

Craftsman's church. Gorla. You'd go in even if you didn't wanna worship.

[Matt Gourley]

I'm ready to convert.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

No, it's a beautiful church. Yeah, it's nuts.

[Matt Gourley]

That's the problem is, like, church gets a lot of the best architecture and it just doesn't seem fair, you know?

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Yeah, it does. Right?

[Sona Movsesian]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

There are churches where it's known that celebrities go there. There was a church in Santa Monica where I think Arnold Schwarzenegger used to go. And people who went to the church used to say he'd, like when he marched down the aisle for communion, like practically with a cigar in his mouth.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

You go to that Catholic church at like 7th Street.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

That's a pretty church too. Yeah, I've gone in there to look at the church.

[Conan O'Brien]

I like to go to churches if a celebrity's gonna be there. And then I try and get them, then I get him for the podcast. Like, they're in line for communion and I'm like, stay.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Arnold.

[Matt Gourley]

Arnold.

[Conan O'Brien]

What is it? I'm about to take communion.

[Matt Gourley]

All the guests lately have been so religious.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, all. Every. Every guest that came in had ashes on Ash Wednesday. They're all hyper Catholic. Mark Wahlberg is back for the ninth time in a row.

[Matt Gourley]

Kelsey Grammer.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

There wasn't. You weren't raised in a strong religion. That would be very different. I can't imagine that.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

No, I was not. I was definitely not my dad's side of the family. His father was Jewish and with the last name Louis. Dreyfus people assumed I was Jewish, so I sort of. I am very proud of that heritage, but I wasn't raised Jewish either.

[Conan O'Brien]

So you're a mix. There was a blend.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Yeah, totally.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay. I'm so in favor of. Oh, yeah, yeah. And I've talked about this, but I am a pure. Pure dose of Irish Catholic. And there's nothing else in there. And I think that's where leads to madness. And I very much envy my wife, who's a blend of, like, some Welsh and some Scottish and some English and some Irish. And she's much more intelligent and much saner than I am. And I think that's a better way to go. And I'm happy that my kids are a blender.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Yeah, that's good. And plus, you didn't. I mean, they're. And they're sort of nothing, too, right?

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, I wouldn't say they're nothing.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

I think they're nothing. And my kids are nothing, too.

[Conan O'Brien]

I'm have to pull my kids aside and say, you're nothing. You're that woman you adore. Because I've told you this before. But we talked about this last time. But my wife. It was a tough call, but my wife made the decision. Our kids are watching Veep, and at a fairly young age. And she would make a motion to cover their ears, but not really. And anyway, the point being that.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

And they were really young.

[Conan O'Brien]

Because they were young. Yeah. And I would be. I mean, I don't need to tell you, but some of the writing on that show. Not some of the writing. A lot of the writing, I think brilliant writing. Such great comedy, such great performances. One of the great shows. Downright filthy and very descriptive when people are going after each other. Very descriptive. And the male anatomy comes up a lot. My wife just made the call, like, this is really funny, and I think our kids should see it. And they started watching it. So now I'm gonna go home and tell them. You know that woman that you love, she just described you as nothing. Nothing.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Were they too young to get it? Did they like it?

[Conan O'Brien]

They. I think funny is funny. I really do got it. They got a lot of it, and they really loved it. I'm just curious about something. Cause we're on the subject of Veep. You got to talk to Kamala Harris about Veep.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

And what's her perspective on the show?

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

She loves the show. She said. I saw her actually recently, believe it or not. I'd never met her until, like, two months ago. And she said, I love. She said, to me, I love the show. It's incredible. And it's really like. It's like real life. And I said, I know it is. I said, you want me to get you out of here? But she had a sense of humor about it.

[Conan O'Brien]

It'd be great if just then someone had come in to tell her something and she had been as filthy as you are. Why don't you take your dick and shove it up your own, you know? Like what?

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Right. Exactly.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, my God. It really is. That's incredible.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Yeah, I think probably not quite as sweary, but. Yeah, they're just people trying to get.

[Conan O'Brien]

The job done, you know, I hear what you're saying. Yeah, I hear what you're saying.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Now she would be. Well, she can't be on the podcast because you have to talk to older women.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Yes, that's right.

[Conan O'Brien]

What happens if you really admire a woman and you think she's done amazing work, but she's. You don't want to call her older. Can you have her on the podcast?

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Well, what do you mean?

[Conan O'Brien]

Can you age her?

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Uh, no, but if you had the.

[Conan O'Brien]

Chance to have Taylor Swift on.

[Matt Gourley]

Oh, God, you're not gonna get to her, man. You gotta let it go.

[Conan O'Brien]

I'm gonna let it go.

[Matt Gourley]

Yeah.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

If I do get her, I'll let you know and you can help me out.

[Conan O'Brien]

You're not gonna let me know?

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

No, I'm not.

[Conan O'Brien]

I'm just curious if. What are you learning then so far in the podcast? That's what is informing you? Cause you're talking to these amazing women about what are they. Are they teaching you stuff that's inspiring you?

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

You know, Jane Fonda, particularly, she talks about the different acts of life. The first, the second, and the third act. She's in her own mind. She's sort of broken down the aging process into three acts. And so now she's in her third act, and she's done. She's done what she calls a life review, in which she really went back over her life and tried to understand where it is she has been, which is an interesting thing to consider personally. You know, so I'm in my third act, right? And so I'm starting to think about, wow, it was mind expanding to me talking to her and so many other people. Ruth Reichl, for example, the former editor of Gourmet magazine and the New York Times food critic. And she also. She's like 75, I think, and she was talking about how important it is to keep doing things that frighten you, which is an interesting Thing to consider and basic things like really, honestly, staying physically fit. She didn't say this. This is very much Jane. And also Isabel Allende. Staying physically fit and healthy is hugely meaningful as you get older. I mean, it's so obvious. But then when you really start to consider it, I think to a certain extent you don't think about getting. I mean, you do think about getting older, but it creeps up on you. I mean, how old are you? Do you mind my asking?

[Conan O'Brien]

Not at all. And this is a frequent topic of discussion, much to the delight of my compatriots here.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Yes.

[Conan O'Brien]

I don't know exactly when this drops. Okay, this drops on April 17th. On April 18th, I turned 60. And so everything you're talking about is stuff I've been thinking about because there was so much in my career where I was the youngest guy in the room.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Tell me about it.

[Conan O'Brien]

And people would say, you know, I was in college, like the young guy that ran the magazine, the comedy magazine. Then, you know, when I got a late night show, I had just turned 30. And so you're this young whippersnake, like way too young. You know, people were like, what's snow and green? And then there was just years and years and years where, well, there's the hosts at 11:30 and then there's that kooky rooster guy over there in late night. And then what happens is suddenly it felt to me like it suddenly flipped to give us your wisdom, old man. I'm like, what are you talking about? But it happens. It does happen. And now I interview a lot of younger people in comedy and they're like, well, I grew up, I know.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Watching you, watching you.

[Conan O'Brien]

I was in diapers as you were hitting 50. And I'm like, jesus Christ, what happened? But I keep coming back to the same general feeling of gratitude and just happy to be here. But I will tell you, I've been doing a lot of inventorying. I've been thinking of it in 20 year cycles, like, okay, one to age one to 20 got me to this point in my life. Age 20 to 40 got me to this other part. And then 40 to 60 got me here. And so that's how I'm kind of thinking about it. It's got me keeping score, adding it up and for the most part feeling content about.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Which is fantastic because, I mean, what else is the point? Are you pivoting in any way? Like as you move into this next sort of, what do you want to call it? Your next 20 or section?

[Conan O'Brien]

I call it my dotage into your dotage?

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

No, but for real, like, are you making adjustments? Are you thinking about it like that in any way?

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, no, to be. I mean, there's all these jokes that come to mind that I think. No, just.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Yeah, just tell.

[Conan O'Brien]

Just tell. But first, the jokes. Yeah. Yeah, I'm getting a lot of work done, Shane. Yeah, I'm getting an eye job, Shane. No, the reality of it is, I love. I mean, we started talking about this and we address it already, but how this technology has changed. There's a way now that I can be. Practice my craft, whatever you want to call it, without being highfalutin, try and get my personality across, which is, in essence, all I've been trying to do since I was a kid. And then when I got into broadcasting, it's just trying to do that on a bigger scale. But this podcast has been a real revelation to me that I can. You know, you came on the late night show several times, and we had some really great moments. You did some great stuff. One of my favorites is when Tina Fey came on.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Oh, that was fun.

[Conan O'Brien]

And it was really fun. But we.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

That was a fun bit.

[Conan O'Brien]

We had worked out a whole bit where you were on my show and you wanted to steal Tina's Emmy and you knew Tina was upstairs at Saturday Night Live or in the building.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

That's right. And I. And joined you to come with me, and we were gonna go steal it.

[Conan O'Brien]

We ran up a stairwell.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

We ran up a stairwell. It was so much fun. That bit came out well.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yes.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

And we did it live.

[Conan O'Brien]

We did it live. Stole her Emmy, came back down. And then there's a great moment where we go on with things, and then she shows up in the doorway. And so I guess the point I was making is there were things that you could do comedy bits, and we could have a short conversation. And I loved that. I adored that. And I'm glad that I got to do it. But now the fact that there's a way that I can talk to you in this way, in this manner, in.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

A more sort of genuine.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, genuine. And it feels different to me. And to me, the whole key is just keep trying new things. And that's the thing.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Keep trying new things.

[Conan O'Brien]

Don't just keep. As much as there are people that would say, oh, my God, I just wish Seinfeld had kept going. No, Seinfeld needed to stop, you know, and then you needed to do sitcoms, and then you needed to do single camera, and then you needed to. You know, you're just like, you need to do movie work. And then you have to do. You have to keep trying things that you are challenged by. Challenged by, and they're not in your muscle memory. So to me, that's the thing is I just want to keep putting myself out there in different ways and then be honest about it. If something doesn't work, it didn't work.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Yeah. Well, I mean, something will eventually not work, but that's okay.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, not for me. I'm just.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

No, no. Everything you do is perfect.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, that's the subtext of the whole interview.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Yes.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yes.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Pardon me. Yes, of course, I'm stating the obvious.

[Conan O'Brien]

But Never a stumble. The Conan o' Brien story.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

But I think. But that is actually never a Stumble.

[Conan O'Brien]

That's my bio title that I'm going with Never a stumble to come to Brian's story. But yeah, I think that trying new.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Things, keeping it sort of fresh that way is, I think. Well, first of all, it's a great way to live life. And also I think it's a great way to have longevity. I think. I think.

[Conan O'Brien]

I also think one of the things I like a lot is that I work with some people that are older than me. But. But in this business, I'm constantly meeting young talent, and an intern can walk in here with a point of view that will inform me, just keep your mouth shut. Which I have a trouble.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

I was about to say. I don't think you're taking your own advice.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, I can hear them as I'm.

[Sona Movsesian]

Talking, as I'm speaking.

[Conan O'Brien]

I can hear. No, no.

[Matt Gourley]

About everything.

[Conan O'Brien]

But these guys are going through big birthdays as well, and I don't know if you're doing the same thing. Are you taking. You're going to hit 50?

[Matt Gourley]

I. I very much have tried to keep. Take a new look at physicality and be healthier, too. So I feel like I just have a. I have a very new daughter. And I feel like I've got to. I've got to be fit. I got to be around. I want to be around. I want to feel good.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. And Sona had twins.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Yeah.

[Sona Movsesian]

Twin boys.

[Conan O'Brien]

A year and a half ago.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

A year and a half ago.

[Sona Movsesian]

Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. And I turned 40 in October.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Wow.

[Sona Movsesian]

And it's funny you bring up learning things from older people because my grandma was such a big figure in my life and she was just always happy just being around the people that she loved. And I. I feel like I've taken that from her. And so turning 40 wasn't like. It wasn't. It didn't weigh on me too much because I just, you know, I. I try to just take the joy, just like she did in everything.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

There's also the perspective about. I went home recently to Brookline, Mass. And I was up visiting my parents, and I went up and I was sitting in my dad's study, and he's sitting at his desk. My dad's 94. And we were chatting and I said, dad, my 60th birthday is coming up. And he looked at me and he was like, you're a kid.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

And I thought, oh, he's right.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

By kazuharrison. Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

You know, I'm around so many young people who probably look at me and think, you're 94. Well, no, it is funny. Okay, I'll reveal something. I know that you are a Mark Twain recipient. Mark Twain Award recipient, and deservedly so. And recently I've been asked to present. Help Present. You know, whatever it's called when you show up for your. When you speak on behalf of someone who's getting a Mark Twain prize. So I did it for Lorne Michaels and did it for Will Ferrell. And then this year, Adam Sandler asked me to come and speak on his behalf, and I did, and I had a really good time. And then briefly, there was a big text exchange that everybody was on. All these people that presented and are friends with Adam who are very famous or on this huge text chain. And I'm on it, too. And everyone's talking about what a great time they had, and things are going back and forth. And then someone mentioned someone who was really old, and I think it was Adam said, yeah, I mean, he's older than Conan. And I thought, oh, shit. I think all of these guys are younger than me because they were all a little behind me at snl. And so I got on the chain and I said, wait a minute. Is the new definition of old in comedy older than Conan? Is that like. No, no, it was. It was. No, it was funny.

[Sona Movsesian]

It is funny. I think the age gap that you're talking about makes more. It hits more when you're younger.

[Conan O'Brien]

When David Spade is asking, can he help you to the toilet? You know, you have a problem.

[Matt Gourley]

Just a fetish of his.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Take his help.

[Conan O'Brien]

David. I did notice he's always asking everyone if he can take them to the toilet.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

When I was doing Veep, I had the same experience when I realized, oh, Jesus Christ, I'm the oldest one here, right? And I had not been the oldest one. I'd also. I'd been the young. Cause when I was hired on SNL, I was 20 fucking one. I mean, I was young.

[Conan O'Brien]

Just watch the language.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

I'm sorry. I am so sorry.

[Conan O'Brien]

Let's learn from our elders here, okay? You don't hear that kind of language from a Jane Fonda.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Oh, yes, you do.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, yes, you do. You know what I loved? I got to talk to Jane Fonda. And of course, I was just blown away. And when the interview was over, we get a picture. And I don't know if you remember this, but we're getting a picture with her. And I'm being so deferential. And also in this era where you just want to be very hyper respectful of women's boundaries, like, I'm always making sure that, like, my hand is maybe sometimes not even. And so my hand was, like, not even touching her. You know, I was touching her.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Is that what you're about to say? Was not even touching her breasts?

[Conan O'Brien]

Both feet were on both. Cause I think the feet don't count. Yeah. I can dislocate my legs from my pelvis. So both legs were like Slim Jims up in the air. No, what I mean is that I kind of had my arm behind her, but I was being like, it's Jane Fonda.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Yes, of course.

[Conan O'Brien]

And she. It was so great. She went, oh, come on. And she took my hand and she placed it on, like, I guess where an appendix scar would be and held it down.

[Matt Gourley]

And you ought to know now.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. And she placed my hand there. And what I loved about it was I just was like, God damn, she's sexy. And it's all. I mean, first of all, she looks amazing.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

She looks amazing.

[Conan O'Brien]

But it's also not about that. It is about her attitude. And I was just so enthralled with her. Her age, like 85, just disappeared.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

No, she has a unique.

[Conan O'Brien]

Like an Etch A Sketch. Like, if you shake it, it just went away. And I thought. And I think whatever she's doing. And there's so many. You know, there are other people like this, whatever they're doing, I want to be playing that game.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Totally.

[Conan O'Brien]

I want to be making people touch my lower abdomen against their will. Is that what I did? I take the wrong thing away from this?

[Matt Gourley]

My guess would be yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, that was.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Isabel Allende is another person that I. The novelist, extraordinary writer, Pulitzer Prize winning writer, and she is 80, 82. I am telling you, the way she was talking about being in her 80s, it made me want to be 80 for real.

[Matt Gourley]

Like, what?

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Well, because she's let go of so much. She's relaxed and. And her priorities have gotten, shall we say, hyper focused.

[Sona Movsesian]

That's nice.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Yeah, it's really nice.

[Conan O'Brien]

It's funny you say that. Cause I was driving with my dad a bunch of years, a couple years ago. Not that long ago, but like five years ago. I'm driving with my dad and he's a very smart guy and scientist and a doctor. And I'm driving and he's sitting next to me. And I just said, you know, it's a truism that older people tend to drive slower. And I said, now is that because of changes in the synapses where you process information a little more slowly, so you go more slowly? And my father said, partially that and partially when you get older, you realize there's no hurry. And I thought, shit, that's very profound. You have to. There are things you understand as you start to understand. I mean, I'm just starting to understand them now, but, I mean, having kids really helps. But that was a huge moment for me of. It's really not about me.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

This is what life is about.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. But then that went away and the career came back into focus.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Sure.

[Conan O'Brien]

I called my son career for a couple of years.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Jesus.

[Conan O'Brien]

I did. He has a name. I still haven't remembered it, but people would say, your career is flourishing. And I said, I love him too. Career, get over here.

[Matt Gourley]

Oh, God.

[Conan O'Brien]

Career. You've got to flush the toilet. Career. But no, but I do think there's stuff that you pick up that has to. It just has to drip into you slowly over time. But you start to understand.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Now, again, there's a lot of older people out there that don't. I've known some very neurotic, impatient, worried older people. So it's not like all people do it, but if you can figure it out, you do let go of a lot of things that drive you crazy when you're in your teens and twenties and thirties.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Right. If you're lucky, there's more of a. You know, I know this word is used a lot, but a more mindful approach to living life that you can adopt, that can be hugely meaningful. I think.

[Conan O'Brien]

I think you started to cry. Or else some water went down the wrong way.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

I'm very choked up by what I'm talking about.

[Matt Gourley]

Let's get your lipstick back on.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Yeah, exactly.

[Conan O'Brien]

I know you're a very busy person and you've been very generous with your time.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

I really have been. And I.

[Conan O'Brien]

Your people made it very clear to me that this was not high on your list of things to do and.

[Matt Gourley]

The rate you charged. My God.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Thanks for coming up to the number.

[Conan O'Brien]

150,000 for a 45 minute chat conversation. That's incredible.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

And that's at a discount, by the way.

[Conan O'Brien]

And a private jet. And you drove here. You just charged us the amount of a private jet. But I don't know. Time with you is time very well spent. I adore you. And back at you. Well, back at ya doesn't really count as a compliment.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Oh God, then I'm taking it back completely.

[Matt Gourley]

Smart.

[Conan O'Brien]

Keep making the podcast. Cause I really like it.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Thank you.

[Conan O'Brien]

And it is. You've done all 10 for this season?

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Yes, I've done all 10.

[Conan O'Brien]

Wiser than me. These are really great conversations and I love that you're out there having those conversations. I think it's a very cool project.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

So fun. Thank you. Keep going. And I will one day put on a wig and some lipstick and I will come in and you will interview me as an older woman. Julia Louis Dreyfus, I love you. Thank you for being here. I really do.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Back.

[Conan O'Brien]

No, don't say back at ya.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

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[Matt Gourley]

I think we have something we need to address.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay.

[Matt Gourley]

As of when this episode comes out tomorrow, big boy, it's your 60th birthday.

[Conan O'Brien]

You are obsessed with talking about my age. What do you mean he is obsessed with talking about.

[Matt Gourley]

He said milestone birthday.

[Conan O'Brien]

You bring it up.

[Matt Gourley]

What's this got to do with me?

[Conan O'Brien]

Because you have brought it up on the podcast easily seven times. Easily seven times. You said, well, I'm gonna be turning 50, but that means Conan's turning 60. I wanna keep this on the down low. Comedy's all about being young.

[Sona Movsesian]

Oh, gosh.

[Conan O'Brien]

And I'm putting it out there that I'm in my late 40s and you every single time we get on mic are like, well, in three more months someone's going to be 60 and then it's just a hop, skip and a jump to 70. How are you, big boy? Wow, this is you left, right and center lately, baby.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

What is happening?

[Sona Movsesian]

You seem very.

[Conan O'Brien]

Wow.

[Sona Movsesian]

You seem.

[Conan O'Brien]

I don't want to die touchy.

[Sona Movsesian]

Why?

[Conan O'Brien]

It's the grave. The grave beckons.

[Matt Gourley]

But it's just a number, man.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, yeah, it's a number that you keep bringing up again and again and again.

[Matt Gourley]

Six, zero.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, six zero. Yeah, I'll be 60 by the time this thing drops tomorrow.

[Sona Movsesian]

Oh, right, you're turning 50 in May.

[Matt Gourley]

That's right.

[Sona Movsesian]

Okay.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Matt Gourley]

And you just turned 40. And then Adam's also turned 40 recently. This is. We work in decades here. Yeah, it's crazy.

[Conan O'Brien]

Eduardo, how old are you?

[Matt Gourley]

35.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yeah.

[Matt Gourley]

Okay, well, you're going to need to age five, get on sync with us.

[Conan O'Brien]

You need to get on sync.

[Matt Gourley]

Yeah, get in phase.

[Conan O'Brien]

We're like women that are all in the same menstrual cycle. We need to sync up. So you are now almost to turn 40. You're almost turning 40.

[Matt Gourley]

Can I go backwards. No.

[Conan O'Brien]

Okay, fine. You can only go forward.

[Sona Movsesian]

You compared it to women being on their same menstrual cycle. Like, how do you even know what that is?

[Conan O'Brien]

I read about it once in Glamour magazine.

[Sona Movsesian]

Okay.

[Conan O'Brien]

I was reading an article called 7 Ways to Keep youp Man Happy, and.

[Matt Gourley]

That was to menstruate with other women.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, men love it. Men love it when women sync up.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yeah, men love it.

[Conan O'Brien]

That was number six on the seven ways to keep your man happy.

[Matt Gourley]

Are you sure you're not 70?

[Conan O'Brien]

I'm 80. Yes. Let's address it. I realize I came down on you a little hard, but I will be honest. You've seemed a little obsessed with my birthday.

[Matt Gourley]

I just want to wish you happy birthday. I think it's a milestone birthday.

[Conan O'Brien]

I just think. Here's the thing. Two things you're saying. You're saying it's just a number and it's a milestone, but that's a good thing. Take a side, dude. Which one is it?

[Matt Gourley]

This one's exciting. It's a big one.

[Conan O'Brien]

You just want to see me in my grave.

[Matt Gourley]

Oh, well, that's true. And I want to put you there.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, you're doing it. Hey, buddy. Big one coming. Big six O, buddy. You started, like, a year ago. A year from now. The big six, zero, buddy board.

[Matt Gourley]

Really just interesting that we all turn our decades.

[Conan O'Brien]

So interesting it is that a guy like you would get so old. Oh, God.

[Matt Gourley]

This guy.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, this guy over here. This pistol. Yes, I. I'm fine with it, as you can tell. But I do. It's something I think about sometimes, which is, you know, I'm a. I've been such a foolish physical comic in my life, and then I think I just want someone to tap me on the shoulder when they say, it's looking sad. Now, you know.

[Matt Gourley]

Well, now, you could do pratfalls, but they'll be real.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, yeah, but I won't get up afterwards. You'll hear a shattering sound, and a hip will go rolling into the gutter.

[Matt Gourley]

Be honest.

[Sona Movsesian]

No.

[Matt Gourley]

If we had said nothing and just let your birthday go by, you wouldn't have liked that, right?

[Conan O'Brien]

I would have had something to be bitter about, which, as Sona will tell you, is the greatest gift. The greatest gift you can give me is something a little. A little hatred, a little.

[Sona Movsesian]

You know what the best is? If he gives you a gift and you never acknowledge it. Never say things.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum.

[Sona Movsesian]

Or you just like you.

[Conan O'Brien]

Or.

[Sona Movsesian]

Or you. You get a gift and you're just kind of like, I, I have this already. And then you just kind of set it aside.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. A good gift would have been to forget my birthday, and then I could have hated you for it. But I also get to hate you for bringing it up that you're 60. Yeah. Okay, there you go. One more time. 60. Exactly.

[Sona Movsesian]

Can I say something, though? You take good care of yourself.

[Conan O'Brien]

I do.

[Sona Movsesian]

You are exactly the same, at least to me, in terms of your physicality and the things that you do from when I first started working for you.

[Matt Gourley]

That's why I don't think you'd be upset, because you look good, you sound good.

[Conan O'Brien]

Listen, I'm thinking of having a lot of work done, and I know that that's not necessary for a podcast.

[Sona Movsesian]

What are you gonna get done? Oh, boobs.

[Conan O'Brien]

I want big boobs. I want huge boobs. And I also want those butt implants. What I would get done is butt implants, because I have no ass. You know, that's.

[Sona Movsesian]

You're gonna go for, like, a Kardashian body.

[Conan O'Brien]

I would like. What do they do? How does a butt implant work? What's in there? What do they put in there?

[Sona Movsesian]

I thought that from other parts of your body. I'm looking around.

[Matt Gourley]

Not in that magazine you read.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yeah.

[Conan O'Brien]

Seven ways to keep your man happy. No, it had very. I think it was written by a maniac because it said, like, sync up your menstrual cycle with other women.

[Sona Movsesian]

Yeah.

[Matt Gourley]

I think Kardashians are so rich. They just get, like, butt transplants. Someone else's butt is given to them after bitcoin.

[Conan O'Brien]

They get a bitcoin put in there.

[Sona Movsesian]

You could donate your butt for his birthday.

[Matt Gourley]

I need all the butt I can get, too.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. This guy isn't, you know.

[Matt Gourley]

Okay, so it says for a bbl, which I think is what. What you're talking about.

[Sona Movsesian]

Resilient butt lift.

[Matt Gourley]

Correct. It's just fat is removed from the hips, lower back, thighs, abdomen, and. Or other areas with liposuction.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Ugh. You don't have.

[Conan O'Brien]

I don't have. I don't have. But I don't. I. I don't think I have a lot of fat in other areas of my body. I think if I do, it's in my head. Yeah. It'd be really funny if I suddenly had a really skinny head.

[Matt Gourley]

Oh.

[Conan O'Brien]

Like a really, really skinny head. And then a giant ass. And I literally had fat from my cheeks put into my bottom, you know, and my big, fat Irish paper mache head suddenly became really Skinny.

[Sona Movsesian]

Okay.

[Conan O'Brien]

But I had this fat ass I was carting around.

[Sona Movsesian]

Your hair is the same size?

[Conan O'Brien]

Yes. The hair is still a big puff pastry.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Okay.

[Sona Movsesian]

They don't put silicone in the boobs.

[Conan O'Brien]

I mean, in the butt.

[Matt Gourley]

No, it says they inject the fat into specific points in the buttocks. How does it not fall? Like, sagged down like saddlebags? Sounds like a remote for Conan.

[Conan O'Brien]

No, I'm gonna get it done. I will say I do a lot of sort of mental gymnastics in my head. So turning 60, I start to do the math in my head of, well, wait a minute. When was my dad 60? And he's 94 now and still doing well. But you do the math in your head and go, wait a minute. That wasn't that long ago. It doesn't feel that long ago that he was my age.

[Matt Gourley]

But he seemed older, right?

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. And then you start to realize that. You start to hear things. Like people that you thought when you were a kid were really old when they played that character in a movie were your age, and you think, oh, my God, really? I've done that at 40. Have you done that?

[Matt Gourley]

Because Brando played the godfather at 47.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yes.

[Matt Gourley]

And that was so.

[Conan O'Brien]

But he was playing someone who was older.

[Matt Gourley]

Yeah, but still.

[Sona Movsesian]

Well, also in, like, 40. I think Norm from Cheers was 40. I think Cliff was 40. I think Homer Simpson is supposed to be around 40. I mean, I think they make it like you've given up.

[Conan O'Brien]

What?

[Sona Movsesian]

Like, at that age, it's sort of like, all right, well, I'm just gonna be like a big fatso and just sit at the bar. Not that I. No, I don't want to say that about Norm and Cliff, but you know what I mean, like, they made the character seem older back then, Right?

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. Right.

[Sona Movsesian]

You're gonna probably live a long time.

[Conan O'Brien]

That's a terrible thing to say. Oh, I'm sure that's gonna be play. And ironic.

[Matt Gourley]

I'm sure you'll survive at least the.

[Conan O'Brien]

Day that I'll take. Okay, well, thank you. You know, I'm sorry I jumped down your throat, Gorly.

[Matt Gourley]

It's all right. Just try to wish a guy a happy birthday.

[Conan O'Brien]

And which birthday is it?

[Matt Gourley]

1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Six decades of human life on this planet.

[Conan O'Brien]

Adam, are you right? He brings it up a lot. I actually think you're both right. I think it is a milestone, and so it is, like, something to acknowledge. It's a big birthday. Sure. But you're right that he's brought it up so many times. But I also think that you are. I think that you are. Are sensitive about it, though.

[Sona Movsesian]

You are sensitive.

[Conan O'Brien]

I shouldn't be. I shouldn't be.

[Matt Gourley]

Can we talk about my original ideas? I wanted to get him a gift and just make this about giving you a gift. And it was that cardboard aircraft carrier you always talked about that you had as a kid. Whoever's responsible for that just didn't do it.

[Conan O'Brien]

So didn't we look for it and we couldn't find it?

[Matt Gourley]

Yeah, something like that.

[Conan O'Brien]

Anyway, happy guys look like you really tried hard. So your choices were get Conan a joyous gift from his youth, basically give Charles Foster Kane his rosebud sled or just grind it into his ear that he's getting old. Which one should we do?

[Sona Movsesian]

Also tell him you were going to.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Get it and then not actually.

[Conan O'Brien]

And then not get it. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. Couldn't be bothered.

[Sona Movsesian]

Someone dropped the ball.

[Conan O'Brien]

Well, I still got it. I'm a podcaster now.

[Matt Gourley]

See, that's the real gift.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah, the real gift is that people listening think I'm a real hipster, a real cool cat. Anyway, well, thank you. Thank you. And I am sincerely, if I can be sincere for one second, just great. Seriously, just grateful that to be around. So that's nice. I really am.

[Julia Louis-Dreyfus]

Okay.

[Conan O'Brien]

No, literally, I am.

[Sona Movsesian]

I'm like, you've done a lot. You shouldn't be so hard on this. No, I'm not. I'm not. I think, I mean, no.

[Conan O'Brien]

But I am grateful to. I'm grateful to have this birthday so.

[Matt Gourley]

Though, here's to another 60 more.

[Conan O'Brien]

Oh, my God. That would be. My God. Ah, so painful. All right, well, thank you. Thank you very much. And happy birthday.

[Matt Gourley]

Happy.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah. And I'm sure the gifts are. Huh. I don't see anything. Oh, we googled it.

[Matt Gourley]

Show notes.

[Conan O'Brien]

You could have gotten me something else.

[Sona Movsesian]

We. We had such a good idea for a gift.

[Conan O'Brien]

Watches are nice.

[Sona Movsesian]

Oh, my God. You would have just.

[Conan O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Sona Movsesian]

Loved it. You would have loved it.

[Conan O'Brien]

All right. Thank you. Happy birthday to me.

[Matt Gourley]

Conan o' Brien needs a friend. With Conan o', Brien, Sonam of session and Matt Gourley produced by me, Matt Gourley executive produced by Adam Sachs, Nick Clough and Jeff Ross at Team Coco and Colin Anderson and Cody Fisher at Earwolf. Theme song by the White Stripes. Incidental music by Jimmy Vivino. Take it away, Jimmy. Our supervising producer is Aaron Blair and our associate talent producer is Jennifer. Samples engineering by Eduardo Perez. Additional production support by Mars Melnick. Talent booking by Paula Davis, Gina Bautista and Brit Kahn. You can rate and review this show on Apple Podcasts and you might find your review read on a future episode. Got a question for Conan? Call the Team Coco hotline at 323-451-2821 and leave a message. It too, could be featured on a future episode. And if you haven't already, please subscribe to Conan o' Brien Needs a Friend on Apple Podcasts, Stitcher or wherever fine podcasts are downloaded. This has been a Team Coco production in association with Earwolf.