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Women at Work
Hosted by Harvard Business Review · EN
Women face gender discrimination throughout our careers. It doesn't have to derail our ambitions — but how do we prepare to deal with it? There's no workplace orientation session about narrowing the wage gap, standing up to interrupting male colleagues, or taking on many other issues we encounter at work. So HBR staffers Amy Bernstein, Amy Gallo, and Emily Caulfield are untangling some of the knottiest problems. They interview experts on gender, tell stories about their own experiences, and give lots of practical advice to help you succeed in spite of the obstacles.
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We’re Asking for (and Getting) What We Want
Dec 9, 202400:43:19Tap to summarizeWhat’s on your work wish list? A conference or training? A higher performance rating or salary or job title? Feedback from someone you respect? A project you’d like to lead? Clearer communication from your boss? Or maybe an extension on a deadline? These are the sorts of things that Amy Gallo and four listeners asked for (and mostly got) when they did Alison Fragale’s “nos challenge” from our episode “To Get What You Want, Be Both Assertive and Warm.” These were the rules: ask different colleagues for something they have the power to give you and that you’d value having. Keep track of the requests and responses until you’ve gotten 10 nos. Also keep track of the yeses and how each response made you feel. In doing the challenge, they tested their assumptions about people’s willingness to meet their wants and needs. They also crossed off lots of items on their wish lists, learned to fear rejection less, and gained status. Now, your turn? Guest expert: Alison Fragale is a professor of organizational behavior at the University of North Carolina’s business school. She’s the author of the book Likeable Badass: How Women Get the Success They Deserve. Resources: “All the Help We Can Get,” from Women at Work “3 Negotiation Myths Still Harming Women’s Careers,” by Kathryn Valentine and Hannah Riley Bowles “How to Get the Help You Need,” by Heidi Grant “Ask for What You Need at Work,” by Deborah Grayson Riegel “Saying No at Work: Our Favorite Reads,” by Rakshitha Arni Ravishankar Act Like a Leader, Think Like a Leader, by Herminia Ibarra Sign up for the Women at Work newsletter. Email us: womenatwork@hbr.org
Transcribe →How to Leap Mid-Career from One Industry to Another
Dec 2, 202400:54:30Tap to summarizeChanging jobs is hard. Changing sectors is daunting. You’ve built a network, a reputation, skills, expertise, a firm grasp of how that industry operates. Maybe you even got a related degree or two! And to just leave all that behind…except that, you really are stuck or unfulfilled or simply underpaid. When it comes to shifting your career, the stakes are high, but so is your potential to succeed. Executive coach Nina Bowman regularly guides people through the process, with all of its uncertainty, time commitment, strategizing, and storytelling. Amy B speaks with her about making a bold mid-career leap, including how to identify a new path, build connections to land interviews, and tell the story of how you’ll find success in a completely different role. Then, two listeners who made bold leaps themselves—one from academia to tech, the other from government to consulting—share their experiences and insights. Guest expert: Nina Bowman is an executive coach and managing partner of the consultancy Paravis Partners. Resources: “4 Questions to Help Women Navigate the Second Half of Their Careers,” by Palena Neale “The Right Way to Make a Big Career Transition,” Utkarsh Amitabh “Are You at Risk of a Mid-Career Rut?” by Laurence Minsky and Julia Tang Peters “Starting a New Job as a Mid-Career Professional,” by Marlo Lyons “Reinventing Your Career — When It’s Not Just About You,” by Herminia Ibarra “4 Questions to Ask Yourself Before Changing Careers,” by Dorie Clark “Do You Really Need a Big Career Change?” by Irina Cozma Taking Charge of Your Career, from the HBR Women at Work Series HBR Guide to Changing Your Career, by Harvard Business Review Sign up for the Women at Work newsletter Email us: womenatwork@hbr.org
Transcribe →Consumed by Caregiving
Nov 25, 202400:40:39Tap to summarizeMarti Bledsoe, a past guest of the show, recounts how she burned out, quit her job, intended to get a new job after taking a breather, and then wasn’t able to for over a year. That’s because someone in her family kept getting sick or hurt, she had to move twice, and all of the logistics and emotional support fell to her (because who else was going to do it?!). These ever-expanding, relentless set of responsibilities is the norm for lots of women in the U.S., especially mothers. Sociologist Jessica Calarco joins Marti and Amy B to help make sense of Marti’s exhausting year of unpaid work and the forces that put her and other women into the position of being people’s default, unpaid caregiver. Guest expert: Jessica Calarco is a sociologist at the University of Wisconsin and the author of the book Holding It Together: How Women Became America’s Safety Net. Resources: “Your Employees Are Also Caregivers. Here’s How to Support Them,” by Gretchen Gavett “Working While Managing Your Child’s Mental Health,” from Women at Work “When You’re Responsible for Eldercare,” from Women at Work Sign up for the Women at Work newsletter. Email us: womenatwork@hbr.org
Transcribe →Working While Parenting a Teen: Not What I Expected
Nov 18, 202400:52:33Tap to summarizeDo you expect and hope that you’ll have more time for yourself and for your career as your kids become teens and young adults? Amy G did. However, she didn’t fully anticipate the emotional intensity of being a working mom of a teenager. Responding to seemingly urgent texts, keeping track of an ever-changing after-school schedule, and being an on-call problem-solver would affect anyone’s ability to focus, including hers. There’s little research on or conversation about this phase of working motherhood, and Amy wants to help other working moms not not only get through it but enjoy it as much as possible. She’s joined by Babson College professor Danna Greenberg, who’s the co-author of Maternal Optimism and a mother of three twenty-somethings. Amy and Danna talk though questions like, How do I recover my focus after my kid calls to unload? How might I counter people’s judgy comments about how involved (or not) I am in my teen’s life? How can I avoid becoming my kid’s de facto boss? Guest expert: Danna Greenberg is a professor of organizational behavior at Babson College and the co-author of the book Maternal Optimism: Forging Positive Paths through Work and Motherhood. Resources: “The Upside of Working Motherhood,” from Women at Work “How Being a Working Parent Changes as Children Grow Up,” by Danna Greenberg and Jamie Ladge “How Working Parents Can Manage the Demands of School-Age Kids,” by Daisy Dowling The HBR Working Parents Series Collection, by Harvard Business Review Sign up for the Women at Work newsletter. Email us: womenatwork@hbr.org
Transcribe →Chats, Bots, and Prompts: Make GenAI Work for You
Nov 11, 202400:56:17Tap to summarizeHow much are you using ChatGPT or Claude or one of the other LLMs in your job? Have you, like the Amys, largely avoided it because you haven’t been impressed with what you’ve seen it do? Or you haven’t thought of a compelling use case? Or maybe you feel professionally threatened? The Amys have gone from being skeptical dabblers to skeptical enthusiasts. Why? They heard several listeners describe how they’ve gotten surprisingly good results, not to mention mental relief, greater agency at work, and imaginative business leads. If you haven’t yet tried your hand at GenAI, we hope these power users, along with our guest expert, data journalist Alexandra Samuel, inspire you to finally do that; and if you’re already using the technology, that you come away with new ideas. Guest expert: Alexandra Samuel is a tech speaker and data journalist who creates data-driven reports and workshops for companies around the world. Resources: “How the Next Generation of Managers Is Using Gen AI,” by Gabriele Rosani and Elisa Farri “Using ChatGPT to Make Better Decisions,” by Thomas Ramge and Viktor Mayer-Schönberger “The AI Skills You Should Be Building Now,” from the HBR IdeaCast “A Toolkit to Help You Manage Uncertainty Around AI,” by Oguz A. Acar and Bob Bastian “Embracing Gen AI at Work,” by H. James Wilson and Paul R. Daugherty Sign up for the Women at Work newsletter. Email us: womenatwork@hbr.org
Transcribe →When Anxiety Interferes with Work
Nov 4, 202400:41:15Tap to summarizeWorrying is a fact of life; it comes and goes—usually. But what do you do when it doesn’t go away? And starts to disrupt your work? Women are twice as likely as men to develop an anxiety disorder, which can show up as physical symptoms like dizziness and nausea and as mental symptoms like repetitive and catastrophic thinking. If you’ve been worried for a while, wondering if you should see a therapist, take time off, tell your boss, or even quit your job, clinical psychologist Michelle Drapkin has advice. She and the Amys discuss the differences between run-of-the-mill anxiety and a disorder. They also get into practical advice, like how to keep yourself from spiraling after a mistake, what to say when you wake up too anxious to do your job that day, and how managers can sensitively approach an employee who appears to need help. Guest: Michelle Drapkin is a clinical psychologist and behavioral scientist who specializes in anxiety and panic disorders. Resources: “Women @ Work 2024: A Global Outlook,” from Deloitte “How High Achievers Overcome Their Anxiety,” by Morra Aarons-Mele “Managing Anxiety When There’s No Room for Error,” by Alice Boyes “How to Talk About Your Mental Health with Your Employer,” by Kelly Greenwood Sign up for the Women at Work newsletter. Email us: womenatwork@hbr.org
Transcribe →To Get What You Want, Be Both Assertive and Warm
Oct 28, 202400:37:30Tap to summarizeWhen you’ve gone after something you want, like a promotion or less boring work, did you follow the typical advice to lean hard into your confident, forceful side? When you’re interacting with people at work, how often do you find yourself deflecting praise, downplaying your accomplishments, or responding “busy!” when someone asks how you’re doing? We often make a tradeoff between being likable and being strong, but is it possible to be both assertive and warm? Alison Fragale, a professor of organizational behavior, says yes. She argues that women can—and should—embrace warmth and assertiveness to build respect, elevate their status, and gain power. Alison shares practical ways to show up as strong and personable and offers advice on how to approach negotiations, networking, and other everyday interactions, including your out-of-office message. Guest: Alison Fragale is a professor of organizational behavior at the University of North Carolina’s business school. She’s the author of the book Likeable Badass: How Women Get the Success They Deserve. Sign up for the Women at Work newsletter. Email us: womenatwork@hbr.org
Transcribe →What a Woman in the White House Could Mean for Us
Oct 21, 202400:39:51Tap to summarizeHow would having a woman in the most powerful position in the United States affect how Americans perceive women as leaders? What changes have resulted from this type of representation in other countries, like Pakistan, Brazil, and New Zealand? Political scientist Farida Jalalzai and organizational psychologist Laura Morgan Roberts unpack the symbolic and practical effects of having a woman in a top leadership position. They explore how Kamala Harris’s potential presidency could challenge and shift our notions of leadership and change the way that women understand what’s possible for themselves. They also dive into the realities Harris might face if elected—like juggling high expectations and navigating the complexities of representation. Guests: Farida Jalalzai is a political scientist and professor at Virginia Tech. Laura Morgan Roberts is an organizational psychologist and professor at the University of Virginia’s Darden School of Business. Sign up for the Women at Work newsletter. Email us: womenatwork@hbr.org
Transcribe →Season 10 of Women at Work Starts October 21
Oct 14, 202400:04:57Tap to summarizeWe’re back with another season! How are women using GenAI to transform their work? What can we learn from the listeners who identify as “AI power users” about how to boost our productivity, creativity, and confidence?  Why is working while parenting a teenager so much harder than Amy Gallo expected, and how can she and other moms navigate this emotionally demanding phase of motherhood? If you’re mid-career and thinking about switching industries, what should you know before making the leap? These questions are at the heart of some of the conversations the Amys are having this season. As always, they’ll bring you expertise, stories, and advice. Sign up for the Women at Work newsletter. Email us: womenatwork@hbr.org
Transcribe →Ground Your DEI Efforts in Data
Aug 12, 202400:42:12Tap to summarizeDo you know how your company’s DEI efforts are going? What data does your company collect  to track and shape these efforts? In this episode, DEI strategist and consultant Lily Zheng explains why data-driven efforts are everything. The way people make lasting progress on diversity, equity, and inclusion is to measure outcomes. During this year’s Women at Work Live event, DEI strategist Lily explained the opportunities that data can create for DEI. They give examples from different companies, including one that was able to discern where exactly their recruiting efforts became inequitable and how the company fixed it. Lily also has advice for making a difference with data even when your company is tiny or you’re starting from scratch or there’s no budget. Guest experts: Lily Zheng is a diversity, equity, and inclusion strategist, consultant, and speaker who works with organizations to achieve the DEI impact and outcomes they need. They are the author of DEI Deconstructed: Your No-Nonsense Guide to Doing the Work and Doing it Right. Resources: “What Needs to Change About DEI — and What Doesn’t,” by Lily Zheng “To Make Lasting Progress on DEI, Measure Outcomes,” by Lily Zheng “The Failure of the DEI-Industrial Complex,” by Lily Zheng “To Avoid DEI Backlash, Focus on Changing Systems — Not People,” by Lily Zheng “To Build a DEI Program That Works, You Need Metrics,” by Joan C. Williams et al. “How to Push for Policy Changes at Your Company,” from Women at Work Sign up for the Women at Work newsletter. Email us: womenatwork@hbr.org
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