Anna-Sigga Nicolazzi: Reading A Criminal

Summary

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Woo Woo with Rachel Dratch: “Anna-Sigga Nicolazzi: Reading A Criminal”

Date: July 29, 2026
Host: Rachel Dratch
Co-Host: Irene Bremis
Guest: Anna-Sigga Nicolazzi
Podcast: Woo Woo with Rachel Dratch (Daylight Media / QCode)

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode, comedian Rachel Dratch and co-host Irene Bremis dive into “woo woo” territory with Anna-Sigga Nicolazzi, former New York City Homicide Prosecutor and co-host of the Homicide360 podcast. The conversation blends the mystical with the criminal, exploring everything from prophetic dreams, animal symbolism, and Icelandic elf folklore to the realities and psychological underpinnings of prosecuting homicide cases. The trio examines the role of intuition, humor as a coping mechanism, and whether there’s room for the supernatural—or just “the unknown”—within the hard facts of criminal justice.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Prophetic Dreams and Woo Woo Moments (01:30–14:40)

• Irene’s Prophetic Blue Jay Dream (01:30–14:40)
  • Irene recounts a vivid, lucid dream involving a luminous blue jay acting as a messenger, giving her a feeling of “closure and love” amidst grief over losing her mother.
  • The dream segues into a vision of her mother as a bird breaking free—signifying vitality and joy after loss.
  • The kicker: Irene wakes up the next morning to find an actual blue jay feather on her doorstep, taking it as “confirmation from the beyond.”
  • Memorable Quotes:
    • “This blue jay was a visitor. There was love. There was nothing ominous about the blue jay … it felt like closure. It actually felt like loving closure.” – Irene (04:11)
    • “You just said, ‘I’m holding on to her death.’ … Sometimes the wording is where the answers are.” – Rachel (07:27)
    • “If there was any part of me that was not accepting the dream, was not receiving the message—here is the message. I’m holding it in my hand. A blue jay feather.” – Irene (10:08)
    • “I like looking at things as meaningful and not mere coincidence. That’s when you tap into the magic.” – Rachel (12:14)
• The group discusses the importance of nature and animals as messengers, tying into Jungian archetypes and the primal, spiritual connection between humans and the natural world.

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2. Introducing Anna-Sigga Nicolazzi & The World of Crime (22:49–33:33)

• Guest Background
  • Anna-Sigga details her path from law school to the Brooklyn DA’s Office, her subsequent years as a homicide prosecutor, and her move into true-crime media and podcasting.
  • Her podcast Homicide360 (and prior podcasts) aims to offer not just entertainment, but a nuanced, respectful approach to real-life cases, collaborating with Scott Weinberger (investigative journalist/former deputy sheriff).
  • “It’s always about seriousness in my world … to get to talk with ladies that are all about light and fun—win, win.” – Anna-Sigga (23:31)
  • Anna-Sigga and Rachel compare finding one's calling (prosecutor vs. comedy), the weight of confronting darkness, and the role of laughter as medicine for dealing with intensely difficult material.

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3. Reading People, Intuition & “Woo Woo” in the Courtroom (36:44–41:42)

• The Subtle Art of Reading a Criminal
  • Irene asks if Anna-Sigga ever “reads” people intuitively in court—body language, nervous tics, etc.—beyond concrete evidence.
  • Anna-Sigga confirms she’s always looking for tells, though emphasizes not all nervousness indicates guilt; repeated behaviors give insight over time.
  • “You can look nervous, but … you can almost tell when someone’s nervous … 100%. I think you can read people’s body language.” – Anna-Sigga (37:50)
• Has a Case Ever Flipped Mid-Trial? (39:46–41:42)
  • Rachel wonders if Anna-Sigga has ever realized, mid-trial, a defendant’s innocence. Anna-Sigga describes two cases where she had strong doubts “in her bones,” opting for alternative outcomes but stresses never having that happen during a trial.

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4. Psychics, Supernatural, and the Police (46:43–50:36)

• Do Psychics Help Solve Crime?
  • Anna-Sigga shares that, though she’s been contacted by psychics and some departments have employed “intuitive consultants” for cold cases, admitting such evidence in court is problematic—“we are like the boring squad.”
  • “When there’s been no answers and a family is desperate … how do you say no to at least try?” – Scott Weinberger (quoted by Anna-Sigga) (49:16)
• The hosts and Anna-Sigga explore the balance between skepticism and hope for families of victims.

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5. Icelandic Elves, Gnomes, and Other Woo Woo (50:57–56:57)

• Anna-Sigga’s Icelandic Roots
  • Anna-Sigga describes her Icelandic heritage and the widespread local belief in elves, gnomes, and spirit folklore (“Ask any Icelander if elves are real and they’ll say, ‘Yes.’“).
  • They discuss “elf crossing” signs and the multifaceted personalities attributed to elves in Icelandic lore.
• Other Woo Woo Experiences
  • Anna-Sigga recounts a memorable childhood experience of seeing socks move across the floor, attributing it to one of her parents’ “spirit dolls”—a story she swears by to this day. (57:06)
  • “My mom is the biggest believer. She feels things, sees things … she thinks it’s part of her aura.” – Anna-Sigga (58:40)

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6. Crime, Intelligence, and Comedy as Coping (58:58–74:09)

• Are Criminals Dumb?
  • Anna-Sigga addresses the common belief (popular among Irene’s comedian/detective friends) that “criminals are stupid,” countering that while some aren’t bright, many are “brilliant but still get caught—no matter how smart, something always slips.”
  • “The truth surfaces, some way, somehow.” – Anna-Sigga (61:20)
• Evil and the Nature of Killers
  • Anna-Sigga discusses prosecuting defendants who killed for “the thrill,” noting the chilling lack of humanity in their behavior yet refusing to label them simply as evil for the sake of holding on to her own principles.
  • “When you are doing something you shouldn’t, more often than not it leaves a trail.” – Anna-Sigga (60:14)
• Comedy as Survival
  • The hosts reflect on comedy as a means of managing grief, fear, and darkness:
    • “Without humor, I don’t think I’d be here. It literally saved my life.” – Irene (70:08)
    • “It’s a way of dealing without dealing.” – Rachel (68:48)

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7. The Woo Woo Lightning Round (Pendulum Reading) (74:25–76:40)

• Pendulum Ritual
  • Anna-Sigga participates in the show’s pendulum ritual, asking if her career will shift again (gets a “yes”) and if she’ll manage to take two weeks off to disconnect (also “yes”).
  • “I just want … a couple weeks that I could just do nothing but fun stuff or just nothing.” – Anna-Sigga (75:47)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “[The blue jay dream] felt like closure. It actually felt like loving closure.” – Irene (04:33)
• “If you look at things as meaningful, that’s when you tap into the magic.” – Rachel (12:14)
• “I think we all are built for something … for me, it’s the only thing I ever wanted to do.” – Anna-Sigga (30:25)
• “I didn’t trust the media … but eventually I did. And boy, was I right.” – Anna-Sigga on her move to media (26:38)
• “We need to laugh during terrible things for the right reasons, at the right moments.” – Anna-Sigga (43:24)
• “You can’t think of everything, no matter how smart you are … the truth surfaces, some way, somehow.” – Anna-Sigga (61:20)
• “We all have covers over our heads … so thank goodness for the stuff that you ladies do … don’t you need to laugh to deal with the rest?” – Anna-Sigga (68:16, 71:25)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Irene’s Blue Jay Dream / Grief & Signs: 01:30–14:40
• Guest Anna-Sigga’s Background / From Prosecutor to Podcaster: 22:49–33:33
• Reading People in Court / Intuition in Justice: 36:44–41:42
• Psychics in Police Work: 46:43–50:36
• Icelandic Elves, Gnomes, and Lore: 50:57–56:57
• Comedians & Crime / Are Criminals Dumb?: 58:58–74:09
• Woo Woo Pendulum Ritual: 74:25–76:40

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Tone & Style

• Conversational, humorous, candid, and lightly irreverent—even while tackling dark or serious topics.
• The discussion effortlessly weaves between comedy, genuine curiosity, and profound moments of vulnerability.

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Summary

This episode is equal parts catharsis, curiosity, and comic relief. From revelations about how criminal prosecutors cope with the darkness—using intuition, ritual, and humor—to stories of mystical birds and Icelandic elves, Dratch and Bremis approach the unexplained as both believers and skeptics. Anna-Sigga Nicolazzi brings gravity, empathy, and self-awareness to the intersection of crime and the woo woo, while the hosts remind us that a little laughter and a sense of wonder are vital tools for the living—no matter which side of the veil you’re on.

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Find Anna-Sigga Nicolazzi:

• Podcast: Homicide360 (available everywhere)
• Instagram & Patreon: @homicide360
• Law and Order: Criminal Justice System podcast

Find the Hosts:

• Rachel Dratch: @raedratch
• Irene Bremis: @irenebremis

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Transcript

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[Rachel Dratch]

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[Rachel Dratch]

So, Irene, we had a dream when we first started this pod that we were going to talk about whatever woo woo things happened to us that week. Now, as luck would have it, woo woo things don't happen every week, do they? So we. So we sort of did away with that idea. But occasionally we do have some woo woo occurring. And you just reported to me of a really cool woo woo incident that happened to you, and I figured we'd just kick off the show with a little bit of magic. So, Irene, tell me about what happened. You had a very vivid dream. That's where it all begins, right?

[Irene Bremis]

That's right. Now take it away. I will, sweetie. So, as you know, Rachi, you know, I have dreams. That's how I get my woo on. You know, we all have our things, and for me, my woo is in my. My dreams. I can always trust my dreams. They come with prophetic messages, and sometimes they're about the way that I'M feeling. They're more. You know, like, you can read into it psychologically, and sometimes it feels more prophetic, like there's something a little bit more there that I really need to pay attention to. This. That this could be, if you will, Supernatural, sweetie. So last night, you know, I wanted to call the show Supernatural.

[Rachel Dratch]

Supernatural. I love that.

[Irene Bremis]

Supernatural Dratch. Okay. That's gonna be the. The sister show. Any. So what happened was last night I went to sleep and I had a very lucid dream where I was in a dark cavern, if you will. And in the midst of the darkness, I couldn't see even my hand in front of me. But in the midst of the darkness came out the brightest, most beautiful blue jay. The most beautiful blue jay I've ever seen in my life. It was luminous, and it was flying straight toward me. It was. It was very apparent that this blue jay was a messenger for me. And it was coming to me. It wasn't flying close to me, or it wasn't flying by me. It was flying to me. And it was. Dare I say I had snake eyes with the blue jay, sweetie. I mean, we had.

[Rachel Dratch]

I'm picturing it like a movie, like, almost comedy. I know it was a comic, but I'm picturing the blue jay looking directly at you, like in a movie, coming towards you. And.

[Irene Bremis]

And it was kind of like a. It was exactly like that. And you should picture it in a movie kind of setting because we both locked eyes. We locked eyes, sweetie. Like, we were madly in love. But it had, like, a message, and then that was it.

[Rachel Dratch]

I have a question.

[Irene Bremis]

Yes?

[Rachel Dratch]

What was the feeling you had when this.

[Podcast Announcer/Host]

About this blue jay?

[Irene Bremis]

I love that question. It's so important. Okay. The feeling was that this was a messenger. This is love. This blue jay was a visitor. There was love. There was nothing ominous about the blue jay. I mean, it just felt like this was a gift.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

Love.

[Irene Bremis]

It felt like closure. It actually felt like loving closure. It's insane. I'm so glad you asked that question, sweetie. I really am. That's what it felt like. And all dreams don't feel that way. Go ahead. You have a question?

[Rachel Dratch]

Well, one thing. I have two things. One thing is I've noticed when talking about dreams and interpreting them, it's a really important question to ask what the feeling was about this thing. And I'm wondering what gave you the feeling of closure. Like, that's an interesting thing because it's not really an emotion. It's like almost like a value or a plot point. Almost so what gave you the feeling that the blue jay was closure?

[Irene Bremis]

Sweetie, when are you going to become doctor? Doctor, Sweetie? Okay, when are we going to put that plaque up on your door? Okay, that is such an important question. Okay. The reason I felt like it was closure is because the bird, when it was flying to me as a messenger, it was giving me this feeling of solace. It's okay. Let go and everything's fine. Now, I had another portion of the dream that supports exactly what I'm saying with this part, because in the second part of the dream, I was holding a little bird, okay, in my hand all night. After the blue jay. After snake eyes. With the blue jay.

[Rachel Dratch]

This is after the. After snake eyes. Wait, let me just. Let me interject for a second, listeners, there's something very fascinating that's coming after this dream description. I know some people don't like talking about dreams, but this has a payoff. I love it because this has a payoff. Okay? Now, so the second part of the

[Irene Bremis]

dream, I'm holding a little bird, and I'm sleeping on the little bird, and I'm thinking, I killed the little. And I'm kind of sleeping with it. I'm not letting go. Okay, this. This why it's so pertinent to the first part of the dream. Okay? I'm not letting go. I'm sleeping with this little bird.

[Rachel Dratch]

And.

[Irene Bremis]

And I'm holding it tightly in my hands. And in the morning, the little bird breaks out of my hand, is an alive, and starts flying all over the house and spreading joy. Now, it's no surprise that I recently lost my mother. This is the thing. You know, we've talked about it on the show, and I've been struggling with that. And if anybody's struggling with grief, I'm sending you so much love. Okay? So this little bird that I was holding onto, to me symbolizes my mother, you know, But I was so shocked that she was alive the next day because to me, I'm holding on to her death. But what she really was showing me is when she broke out with such power and ferocity and flew all over the house with this energetic love and. And. And spirit, she was very much alive, which is what I was. The feeling evoked. I know we're freaking ourselves out right now.

[Podcast Announcer/Host]

Oh,

[Irene Bremis]

I'm getting.

[Rachel Dratch]

Because there's a phrase you just said that I think is so. I have chills. You just said. You just said I'm holding on to her death.

[Irene Bremis]

I'm sorry. There was silence there because we're just staring at Each other, holding our foreheads.

[Rachel Dratch]

I'm sorry.

[Irene Bremis]

Oh, my.

[Rachel Dratch]

That's what I mean about sometimes when you have someone describe a dream, the phrases, the wording of it is where the answers are, like, if. If I just said, well, that bird is your career, and blah, blah, blah. But no, it has to come from the dreamer. And you had the feeling that the bird was your mother. You had that feeling. No one else could tell you what that bird represents. And you said. In describing it, I was holding.

[Irene Bremis]

I'm sorry. I'm getting a lot of chills. Because even sometimes when you say something, you just kind of don't even listen to your own words sometimes. And the fact that you called that out and pulled out that quote and made me sit with that quote and feel that quote is just shocking right now because I just kind of went right. Skipped right over that.

[Rachel Dratch]

And then it was so affirming because the bird was still very happy, spreading joy. The bird was happy. The bird broke free and was happy.

[Irene Bremis]

It was. There was so much joy and the

[Rachel Dratch]

joy and the house.

[Irene Bremis]

And then another bird was there, and two birds were playing with each other. My father. That's what I think that was. Both of them playing with each other in pure joy. And that was the end of the dream. That was it. That was the dream. The two birds. It ended with the two birds playing with each other. Okay, now.

[Rachel Dratch]

Now, listeners, here comes the payoff.

[Irene Bremis]

Here comes the punchline, people. Are you sitting? Are you strapped?

[Rachel Dratch]

Sitting down? Are you sitting down? If you're driving, please pull over to the side of the road. Irene, go ahead.

[Irene Bremis]

Okay. So after having that. That dream, you know, I was like, I woke up, and I'm like, what does this mean? I go outside, and I knew what it kind of meant, but it just stuck with me. There's certain dreams that stick with you, and you can't stop thinking about them. Like, the minute I woke up, all I wanted to do was write this dream down and start thinking about it and start analyzing it to see what it meant in my life. And I knew it was a significant meaning. I go, I get, you know, coffee. I go to check the mail. I go outside to check the mail. I open up my door. And on my doorstep, the minute I open up the door and I'm holding up what is a blue jay feather?

[Rachel Dratch]

I'm looking at it right now.

[Irene Bremis]

And that was it for me. That was all the confirmation I needed. If there was any part of me that was not accepting the dream, was not receiving the message, here is the message. I'm holding it in my hand. A blue jay feather.

[Rachel Dratch]

Okay. What I love. Mic drop, feather, drop onto your doorstep. Bird dropping, feather sign from beyond. Okay, here's what I love about this. When you first told me this, you didn't tell me the second part.

[Irene Bremis]

No, but the other bird and your mom. That's right.

[Rachel Dratch]

I thought it was just, like, a positive, like one of those, like, pat on the back from the uni. I'm calling it the uni right now.

[Irene Bremis]

The uni. That's what we call it.

[Rachel Dratch]

On the back from universe. I thought it was a little, like, affirming, we got you kind of thing, but then you throw in the second part of the dream, and then it takes on to me even more meaning to me. It's like, sign from mom or. Or just. Or a pat on the back from universe, whatever you want to interpret it, but I think that's astounding. How. How many times in your life do you step outside and there's a feather on your doorstep where you can't miss it. You can't never happen.

[Irene Bremis]

It never happens. It never happens. And the. The bird being in darkness is also very symbolic for me because I'm sort of in that grieving process where everything's dark and dismal for me, and. And in the midst of this darkness is this radiant, luminous, beautiful, igniting bird flying toward me.

[Rachel Dratch]

One more thing. You dreamed of a blue jay. The feather on your doorstep did not belong to a robin or whatever. Even if you found any old feather, it still would have probably knocked your socks off. Yeah, but to find the actual blue jay feather, I'm getting angry about it now. Blue jay feather.

[Irene Bremis]

I like it when you get angry.

[Rachel Dratch]

Sweetie, this is insane.

[Irene Bremis]

Come on. Come on. I mean, blue jay.

[Rachel Dratch]

I like looking at things as meaningful and not mere coincidence. Because if you look at things as meaningful, that's when you tap into the magic.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

Mm.

[Irene Bremis]

Mm. And, you know, if I found this blue jay feather, Rachel, like, a week or two later, I may even explain it away. But the fact that it was waiting outside my doorstep, literally the next morning after my dream, it could have been even in the morning that I dreamt this, woke up, and found the blue jay feather. The timing of it is not coincidence. It is affirming. That's it. I have a feather in my hand, and I woke up feeling, you know what? Let go.

[Rachel Dratch]

And even if you wanted to look at this as a more, like, scientific viewpoint, even if you wanted to be like, well, it doesn't mean anything, whatever, you still had A dream about a bird that was like, in the vicinity. Like you. I don't know. That's still like even that. Like, that's like there's a psychic connection that happened to me, you know, and

[Irene Bremis]

why a blue jay? Everybody always talks. Even I joke about cardinals. I had a cardinal show up at my window and I took a picture of it, and it was the day my father died. And I was like, is he visiting? Always a cardinal. It's never a blue jay. It's never a blue jay. The blue jay was very specific, as is this blue jay feather that I'm holding in my hand right now.

[Rachel Dratch]

It's also a rare find. Like, you don't. You don't see those on the ground.

[Irene Bremis]

I was going to look up. Look up the stats. Chances.

[Podcast Announcer/Host]

Oh, look up the stats.

[Irene Bremis]

What are the chances?

[Rachel Dratch]

I love this. I love it also. I like the idea. I mean, I feel like we lose so much. I mean, here we are, we live in the city, so we're more bound to do this. But, like, it's easy to lose touch with the natural world living in the city. I mean, I live near a park where there's like all manner of really cool birds, but. But it's like, you know, we're walking on asphalt most of the time and all that. Like, I mean, people who are fortunate to live out in nature don't have as much. But I love the reminder that animals and the natural world are so connected to higher consciousness and not even higher consciousness, even just grounding, rooting. Like, this is where we started being in much more contact with animals and nature and trees and it's so important.

[Irene Bremis]

Mm.

[Christine Schieffer]

Oh.

[Rachel Dratch]

I mean, don't get me off on a political rant.

[Irene Bremis]

No, but we should. Yeah.

[Rachel Dratch]

I mean, that's what infuriates me about current everything. But I don't want to get my blood pressure up. But. Well, nature and animals, I mean, it's. So I want to do more reading about Jung and Jungian psychology and archetypes. Like animals are archetypes and they're.

[Podcast Announcer/Host]

They are connected in our consciousness.

[Rachel Dratch]

They're primal connection in our human brains. So anyway, I need to take more psych courses to talk.

[Irene Bremis]

No, me too. We. We need to. But it makes sense.

[Rachel Dratch]

But connection to animals is very connected to woo woo in terms of symbolism and.

[Irene Bremis]

Right.

[Rachel Dratch]

Spirituality.

[Irene Bremis]

And spirituality and just being. Serving as messengers. And I'm going to tell you, I just want to add one more thing about this blue jay feather, because some of you may be thinking this. The blue jay was not Attacked. Usually we see attacked birds on my sidewalk. And it's obvious when somebody like another vulture attacked a bird or whatever, you see the bird and there's remnants. I'm sorry, I'm taking this to a downward spiral.

[Rachel Dratch]

I was gonna say Irene.

[Irene Bremis]

I just cross my mind.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

Irene.

[Irene Bremis]

Okay, but it might cross somebody's mind.

[Rachel Dratch]

But blue jays are often the attackers, by the way.

[Irene Bremis]

Yes, okay. Blue jays might be.

[Rachel Dratch]

The attack can be dicks. I'm not gonna lie.

[Irene Bremis]

They can be dicks. Okay? But we're not even gonna go there, okay? Because this blue jay was not a dick.

[Rachel Dratch]

All right?

[Irene Bremis]

So we're not even going to.

[Rachel Dratch]

Blue jays are dick. I gotta look up what Young said about blue jays being.

[Irene Bremis]

Okay, put up your. Your Jungian hat now and look it up as a producer. Okay, here's the thing. Now this feather is unscathed. It's like a very beautiful pristine feather that was almost like plucked out as a gift and left for me. The blue jay's just fine. Okay? The blue jay is still flying, possibly, you know, adhering to different dreams, different messages. I have my one feather. What does Jungian say about this?

[Rachel Dratch]

Wait a second. I'm going to interrupt for a second. No, it's not an uhoh. It's a. It's a yay. Oh, okay, let me just. I'm going to take a little tangent here.

[Irene Bremis]

Okay, go.

[Rachel Dratch]

When I told this. I've told. I'm going rogue, as Irene go rogue does. I'm going to go rogue. Okay, Now I've told this story before, but when John, my co parenting partner. How do I say that? Baby daddy.

[Irene Bremis]

Baby daddy. Just cut to the chase.

[Rachel Dratch]

John and I were first dating. We saw pigs everywhere. Like, we just started dating and we would see pig symbolism everywhere. There was a pig across the street. The bar where we met. There was.

[Irene Bremis]

Yeah, we were.

[Rachel Dratch]

We ended up at this restaurant bar called the Bourgeois. We were seeing pigs everywhere. To the point when I looked it up, like I'm doing right now. And just what is the symbolism of a pig? Well, it said fertility.

[Irene Bremis]

Fertility, Fertility. I'll never forget it.

[Rachel Dratch]

Now. We weren't even dating it long. It was almost like embarrassing. I was like, ha ha ha. Plus, I was 43, so I didn't want to be like, yeah, that's not gonna be concern. But anyway, cut to, you know, my son, whatever the prophecy of the fertility was something very, very real. Anyway, Blue jays symbolize, according to this thing. I just looked up fearless communication, loyalty, and sharp intelligence. Now check this out. Fearless protection. Because blue Jays are fiercely protective of their nests and will aggressively defend their territory. Bold communication, loyalty, folklore and encounters. Anyway, but I just saw in bold letters fearless protection.

[Irene Bremis]

Wow. That's, that's it. And what was my mother but a fearless protector.

[Rachel Dratch]

Yes. For real, for real.

[Irene Bremis]

She was mama bear to the.

[Rachel Dratch]

For you and your brother.

[Irene Bremis]

For everyone. Just a, just, just, just fear. She was a fearless protector.

[Rachel Dratch]

Yeah.

[Irene Bremis]

Unbelievable. Wow.

[Rachel Dratch]

This has been feather drop.

[Irene Bremis]

So amazing. Feather drop. Feather drop.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

Feather drop.

[Podcast Announcer/Host]

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[Podcast Announcer/Host]

With Rachel Dratch, the podcast that explores the unexplained with humor and curiosity.

[Rachel Dratch]

Hello and welcome to Woo Woo with Rachel Drudge, here with my pal and co host, Irene Bremis. Hi, Irene.

[Irene Bremis]

Hello, sweetie.

[Podcast Announcer/Host]

Hello, sweetie.

[Rachel Dratch]

Sweetie, Irene. Today we have an interesting guest in a topic we've definitely never explored. She has her own podcast called Homicide360 and she's a former New York City Homicide prosecutor too. And also, I know she's done other podcasts as well and other media involving crime. Basically, let's just call it what it is, sweetie. Anyways, please welcome Anna Sega Nicolasi to the show. Hi, Anna Sega.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

Hello and thank you ladies for having me. And I mean, as I thought about this morning, I was like, how much fun for me, who is everything is like all about seriousness in my world to get to talk with ladies that are all about light and fun and it just right there. Win. Win.

[Rachel Dratch]

Yay. We try. We try to be light and fun. Although sometimes we do cross to the dark side, right, Irene?

[Irene Bremis]

Well, we do the dark side.

[Rachel Dratch]

We have scary ghosts and death and what lies beyond.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

I know all about that.

[Rachel Dratch]

Yes, you do. So, Anna Seaga, that's your full name, right? Anna Seaga, Yes.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

We can thank my mom.

[Rachel Dratch]

Is that Swedish in orange?

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

It's Icelandic. My mom's Icelandic.

[Rachel Dratch]

Icelandic.

[Irene Bremis]

I must come to Iceland.

[Podcast Announcer/Host]

Cool.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

You must.

[Rachel Dratch]

Wow. Oh, maybe we can talk about Icelandic fairies.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

By the way, right there, you just gave me the topic, the woo woo and the gnomes and done.

[Rachel Dratch]

Done perfection. We've only. We've only done a little, like, glyphs on Icelandic myths and lore and all that, so that would be epic.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

Is it myths or is it.

[Rachel Dratch]

Well, no. Is it reality? There's elves crossing signs and all that. Okay, we'll definitely get to that. So I know you have this podcast right now called Homicide360 where you basically unpack cases, right? Do you want to tell us a little bit about that? Oh, also, since just in the getting to know you phase, getting to know you, how did you come to the path of being a homicide prosecutor of homicide cases? How did that roll out?

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

So I went to law school, and I already, like, didn't like any of my first year classes and didn't see myself sitting there and looking at contracts. But the class that I loved was criminal laws. Like, this is really exciting, but I just wanted to be a prosecutor. I think the other side is super. But for me, I was like, it's in my veins. I just feel it. So of course, my professor put me in every defense organization they could find, specifically legal aid. And I was like, great, I've learned like it, but I want to be a prosecutor. So my professor was the Brooklyn DA for one of my trial classes. He gave me 24 hours to make a decision to go to his office. And I, on a whim, talk about, like, whether we do things because they're predestined or for some reason. But I took it. And once I got into the courtroom, hooked, Loved it. And in the DA's office, if you love trial work, it's kind of the latter. To get to homicide, at least it was for me. And once I got there, I was there for 16 of my 21 years. And even crossing over into media, it's always about that. Like, I was just tired, physically and mentally, more importantly, from the cases, but still wanted to talk about them. And I was like, wait, someone will pay me or wants to hear me talk about them, and I can do that. You Know to pay the bills. And that's how I shifted over. But that was it.

[Rachel Dratch]

Wow. And you had so your first shift. I know Homicide 360 is your current pod, but you've had others. And tell us about how you hopped over into the media world. That was your first.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

People used to come to interview me about my own cases. Cause being a homicide prosecutor in New York City, after a while there was quite a few that would be in the papers. And I used to always say, no, nope, nope, didn't trust the media, didn't know the point of view. But eventually I did. Actually, my now partner for the podcast, Scott Weinber, an investigative journalist at the time, and he is one of the first people that convinced me to do an interview, quite honestly, because I just, there was something about him that I was like, I trust this guy. And boy, was I right. Because we're good friends and now business partners, decades later. But then I started to do legal analysis. You ladies are New York City, you know, it's all right there. And my DA said, you know what? I'd rather have someone that knows these things talk about them than people from the outside that are want to say what we do, but they don't really do it. And I loved it. But I'm always more comfortable asking the questions than answering them. And one thing led to the other. And that's really. I was like, you know what? I thought I would retire being a prosecutor. And I just got mentally tired. And you can't be tired every case. You must be on your game for every reason, as you can imagine, both for the victims and the defendant to make sure you get it right, hopefully. And I was like, wait, this might be it. I can talk about the thing I care about. And I do have a perspective that I want people to understand our system and these cases and think about them the way I do. And then you can agree or disagree. And I just got really lucky that, you know, first it was with television and then true conviction I had for four seasons investigation discovery. Then Scott and I were very fortunate. We decided to do a podcast together. Cause we worked in TV and the cameras would turn off and we were still talking about these cases. He's a former deputy sheriff and then an investigative journalist and actually covered some of my cases when I was a prosecutor. So it's just, there's some woo woo there maybe that things just were meant to be. And he said, let's try a podcast. And I was like, a podcast? What is a podcast? I think I'd only listen to Serial in the gym. At that point, it was Covid. I was already recording my television show in my closet because there's great sound absorption. For anyone out there that thinks you need a studio, you don't. You just need sweaters around you and you're good to go. And we got really fortunate in success with Anatomy of murder for five seasons, five years, I should say over 200 million downloads. But then we decided we were going to start something new and that we wanted to own the thing we created, which is Homicide360. And we started in June or July, and it's the baby that is all ours. And so it's very exciting times for us. A little scary, right? But isn't that part of the fun?

[Rachel Dratch]

Yeah.

[Irene Bremis]

Yeah. Also, it's fairly new then, right?

[Rachel Dratch]

I was wondering just to go back to being a prosecutor, Like, I mean. Cause a lot of people are love true crime and they like Law and Order and all this stuff. But to actually be living it. I even talk about this, like I'm doing this very pretty light show right now. Rocky Horror. Didn't mean to plug it. This is germane to the conversation.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

Tickets are available now. Yes.

[Rachel Dratch]

I always say, like, whenever I'm going to, like, our second show of the day, I'm like, at least I'm not doing Death of the Salesman. Because, like, the heaviness of doing a show, just even doing a show, like a heavy show, like that would change my body feeling everything. So I'm just wondering in terms of the real deal, like, having to go deep onto grisly crimes, like, how did I mean. And a lot of people want to go in, like, whatever college students, like, I want to go into criminal. It sounds like kind of sexy and mysterious and fun. But, like, how was that to live with and to be in?

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

I think we're all built for something. I really do. And I think for each one of us, hopefully some of us earlier in life, sometimes later, you just. There's this that we can wake up doing and go to bed doing. And for me, I didn't think about being a prosecutor when I was a kid. I didn't know what I was gonna do. When I was in college, I thought law or teach, who knew? But once I was in there, it's the only thing I've ever wanted to do. You know, there is something about homicide that I particularly, that I really. I mean, I care about it, I feel good about being involved in it, but I also am challenged by it, you know, putting those pieces together. And I love having to now hopefully take that and can I let 12 people from all different walks of life, that they walk out seeing things exactly the way I'm presenting it. Like, that's a challenge. That's a puzzle. Like, that's a jigsaw thing, except with stakes that really matter, right? So you've got to get it right. So I think, like, I remember a friend of mine who was doing, you know, making a lot more money than me doing corporate law, came to my office in, like, my seedy New York City office and having lunch, and just in the middle of our sandwiches, she's like, can you put those away? I'm looking around, like, what? She's like, there are pictures of dead people on your desk. Crime scene photos.

[Rachel Dratch]

Right?

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

Again, certainly. I was like, oh, my gosh, of course. Again, it's my second nature. It's my job. Like, I was probably poring over them looking for something before and didn't realize it. And so I think you don't think sometimes the thing that you're dealing with all the time until afterwards. And I think after I left being a prosecutor, that's when the weight of it, to a degree, hit me a bit differently. Now, again, I talk about this every single day, whether it's on the podcast. Scott and I do our own interviews because I wanna be the one talking to the loved ones or to the prosecutors or the detectives versus someone else doing it before we talk about it on the show. But it's like, I can't get enough of it, you know, I really can't. But I also need to disengage. Like, I will tell you, every detective, every homicide prosecutor I've ever known, like, we have so much fun together in our lunchrooms, and I would not want almost anyone outside of that to ever hear us. Right? I just wouldn't. But I'm telling you, it is never the jokes and the way that we talk. It is never meant to denigrate anybody or anything. It is because you need to let off that steam because you are working in such the underbelly of life, and to kind of get back in and do it again, you just need to laugh. And I know I'm talking to the converted here, because this is what ladies do, not only professionally, but I'm sure, naturally. Naturally, which is how you started doing it in the first place, which is a whole nother conversation would be amazing how you ended up doing that, like, as for life. But I think that's it. It's like, for us, for me, it was always like having other people that can make me laugh. And again, like, yes, exercise, yoga, all those other things, you know, as friends might say, like the hippie dippy stuff, right? But you need that too, to just relax. But I think laughter to me is the best medicine for so many ails in life. Like every hard time I ever had in life, I think it's like those people that could make me laugh that I needed to surround myself with.

[Irene Bremis]

Amen, sister.

[Podcast Announcer/Host]

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[Rachel Dratch]

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[Rachel Dratch]

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[Podcast Announcer/Host]

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[Rachel Dratch]

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[Christine Schieffer]

You have questions, They've got answers.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

Hey, Meta, what's the capital of Peru?

[Meta Voice]

Lima.

[Irene Bremis]

How do you say where's the restroom in Spanish?

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

Donde esta Alvano?

[Rachel Dratch]

Hey, Meta, is a hot dog a sandwich?

[Podcast Announcer/Host]

Technically, no. Spiritually, yes.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

Hey, Meta, what should I do with my life?

[Podcast Announcer/Host]

That's one of life's biggest questions. What do you think?

[Christine Schieffer]

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[Podcast Announcer/Host]

With the new Meta glasses,

[Irene Bremis]

I've always found this very fascinating. As a prosecuting attorney, obviously you need tangible evidence to like, you know, to prosecute somebody. But also, do you ever like, go into the courtroom and just read somebody and not in the obvious ways and, you know, in, you know, affectations, whether they're posturing a certain way or their inflections are off. Do you ever do something that you can read something? Cause I had a friend, a very dear friend, in fact, he's an FBI agent, and he told me, he gave me this one trick that have actually applied to certain people and it actually worked. I was. I couldn't believe it. He said, if you look. If somebody looks to the left, they're thinking up a story, they're lying. If they look to the right, they're recalling the story. So I thought, like, you know, aside of obviously having to have like, again, tangible evidence to prosecute somebody, is there something that you do and which is kind of woo in itself. When you read somebody, you're connected to somebody. Is there something that you do that can. Can, you know, give you an indication whether a person is full of shit or uncomfortable or something, or lying or 100%.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

I mean, I think I'm reading people all the time. I'm not an expert. I never take took a course in it, but I've spent decades doing it and from watching it. And I think first, if I think about witnesses, defendants, right, Someone taking the stand in a trial, like, you can look nervous, but you look at someone when you're speaking to them, or if you look away, you can almost tell when someone's nervous. Someone that looks down only at certain questions. Again, everyone's different. So you can't prejudice just because someone's nervous or has anxiety. Like, then you have to factor that in, like, whatever it is. But 100%. I think you can read people's body language. I always talk about it. So I teach trial advocacy. And then when I was. Had my. When I was supervising in homicide, there are tells that we all have. And they're different, right? And we should all, like, figure out yours. Cause people can see them, right? Or maybe not always, but it's like the person that just looks down when they're not telling the truth or starts to wring their hands and. And not out of nerves, right? You have to watch someone a little bit to figure it out. I was always. Was huge on my summations when I had. Because we videotaped a lot of the defendant's statements. Like, after someone's arrested, they would speak to the police. A lot of that's on videotape. And then we as prosecutors, if they were willing to speak with us, we would talk to them too. And then if I'm showing that to a jury, whether there is something that they're saying that I was like, this is so bogus what this person is saying right now. And not only. Don't list just what he or she is saying, what they are saying. Watch them. Watch them, right? And sometimes it's because all of a sudden they're tugging on their sleeve or their body just starts to move in a way. And I said, and if you. And I used to tell them, like, watch it as they speak, and you're gonna see it every time they say this thing. Almost like a tick.

[Podcast Announcer/Host]

Like, wild.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

And again, it's not one size fits.

[Rachel Dratch]

All, right?

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

Because we're human beings. But I'm a huge believer in being able to read people by watching them. Wow.

[Irene Bremis]

Amazing.

[Podcast Announcer/Host]

Wow.

[Rachel Dratch]

I have a. This is like a dumb layperson question, but have you ever had, like, a big moment in a courtroom as the prosecutor, and then you're like, oh, wait. Everything's shifting in my mind, like, during this trial. Like, I'm making this very dramatic. Like, I'm making this a big, like, mic drop moment. But does that ever happen where you've been, like, wait a minute, maybe they didn't do it. That's so dumb.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

100%. I can say I have never, ever had that happen in the courtroom. In the courtroom. I say that because I've definitely had two cases that I could think about that actually got to a stage that was way too far down the lane than they should have. When one. I just felt it in my bones. There wasn't Another thing. But I was like, this person didn't do it. And I said, I can't dismiss a case because of what's in my bones, but I can offer you a plea or you can go to trial, right? Because if you're innocent. But again, there's never any guarantees. And in the end, that person took a plea to something I was able to offer, but said they were innocent. I always felt it, but I didn't have a thing to go with. And one, we had proof that one of the arresting officers had lied later on. And then it was like, game changer. So again, very happy to say. Again, very few and far between in my experience and the NYPD that I worked with so fondly. They know I'm big believers in them, but you gotta call it out when you see it for any of us, right? When there's a problem, you gotta call it out. But we had the luxury of being able to make those decisions as we went. I would, I could never. I can't even imagine being in a courtroom and trying to convince someone of someone's guilt if I didn't believe they were guilty or if the evidence wasn't collected in a way that was like, buy the book. You know, like, buy the book.

[Rachel Dratch]

I'm turning it into a movie in front of her head. Your Honor, I must, I must. I don't know what I'm using here. Whatever. I'll write this up later for my.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

Make it a skit, make it a skip.

[Podcast Announcer/Host]

Yeah.

[Christine Schieffer]

Okay.

[Rachel Dratch]

I have another question. Back to your. The pod. So I listened to the first. The two parter, first episode with Kanya. That's how I say her name. Kanye.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

Yep, Kanye.

[Rachel Dratch]

And I was wondering, how did you. I mean, I don't know if you kept in touch with her over the years, but how did you ask her or have, like, convince her? Whatever it took to get her to be interviewed for the pod.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

So it's interesting because, you know, a lot of people don't wanna talk about these things afterwards, and we sure can understand why and some don't. Kanye never talked about that case publicly until I interviewed her. And actually it was. I knew the detective, Michelle Amicone, that's on with her, who was the detective she worked with. And she is the one who put me in touch with Kania. Fortunately, Michelle and I have a good relationship and she trusts, trusted the way that I told the other story that I did with her. And she's like, you know what? I think this would be good for her. And I think she wants to do it. And she had trust that we would handle her with care, which is. That means everything to me. You know, I want my podcast to be successful for every reason. But more importantly, I want the cases that I tell, like, the people involved to say, like, you handled us with care. Like, that's it. Right. This is real life stuff that I'm dealing with. And what's normally when I do those interviews, it's normally about like two hours. I spoke to her for well over three and thought about her. I didn't use it right away. Cause I kept thinking about it. And that's how we decided making it two parts. Like, she just. You needed to let her tell her story and she did. And that's why, you know, I sent it. It is obviously there is nothing light about her story other than when you think about it. Like, that is a woman who can smile and laugh. Like, she had me laughing and crying, like during half the interview.

[Podcast Announcer/Host]

Right.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

It's like we're talking about the worst thing ever and she's talking about it, but then she says something so light or lovely or just. Which is why I say we need to laugh. It's okay to laugh during terrible things for the right reasons, at the right moments. I always said that to a jury if something funny, like, because they'd look at me like someone said something funny. But can we laugh? We're talking about death. I was like, you 100% can and should to just release and then let's get back to work. But anyway, that was how I ended up speaking to her. She last I heard, she has not listened to that episode, which was really interesting. But when I told her we were airing it first through Michelle, she said, you know what? I haven't listened to it because I lived it. I told you my story, which is what I needed to do.

[Irene Bremis]

Wow.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

But then I directed to her on social media, like on our Instagram and Patreon, like, all the things that people were saying, because I wanted her to feel that care and support. And so she looked at all that and she said that she was gonna get together with Michelle one day, likely with a glass of wine and be ate when she could and listen to it. But it just. That said, that was a good reminder to me. Right. Of what we're dealing with. Like, she gave it to all of us to hear her story, to hopefully let someone feel whatever they needed in their dark moments. But that was enough for her.

[Irene Bremis]

That's really sweet that you did that. You know, like, that's extending flowers to her so that she did this, you know, because she was reliving it, and you're just letting her know that she was supporting it. Look at what you've done.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

It was important Others, right. What others feel having you given them your story. Right. Very.

[Irene Bremis]

Yeah.

[Rachel Dratch]

Also, I feel like you could feel that. You could feel that vibe in the whole pod. Like, you could feel that you were caring and on her side. And you and Scott are really good together. I don't know. You're a really good duo. And, like, I just liked how the whole pod. I don't listen to a lot of true crime, but I liked that you kind of built up suspense while at the same time maintaining that you really cared about this person who was a victim. So I thought you really walked the line on that really well.

[Irene Bremis]

Thank you.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

Thank you. And that's. Look, it's storytelling. We all know that. When you look under these podcasts, they all say entertainment. Right? And so it's always that, like, this is what we know. And so you have to be able to tell a compelling story. But I do it for very different reasons. Scott does it for different reasons. So it's like, hopefully we build it in so that it's a story, but also a story with meaning that we're talking about the right things in the right way. And he and I. I mean, look, as you. When working together, I love that having the back and forth. I'm always like, if someone's annoyed by my voice or what I'm saying, then they get him for a little bit to kind of come into it. And it's just a good balance and it's natural. And we love working together. Obviously, we have in all different mediums for a while now, but it's also because I think we both view it the same way, and I think that's really important to us.

[Irene Bremis]

Yeah, you definitely have a great rhythm, the two of you.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

Thank you.

[Irene Bremis]

And it's almost like you both have your. Each individual part, you know?

[Rachel Dratch]

Yeah.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

Cause anybody's different. I always think, like, he has one of the coolest backgrounds. Like, that's a guy who was a deputy sheriff investigative reporter, worked with Muhammad Ali. Like, just like, I was like, all these things. I was like, how have you lived, like, nine lives already, you know, at your age? So cool to me. And then for me, it's like homicide prosecutor. Like, I could do that stuff in my sleep. So between the two of us, hopefully we do it.

[Podcast Announcer/Host]

Okay.

[Rachel Dratch]

Okay. So I'm gonna shift it into the woo woo of it all. I mean there's woo woo in there too. Yeah, definitely reading faces and all that. But I had a couple questions. First of all, we're gonna get to the Icelandic elves and gnomes and fairies

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

that really just came out of nowhere. But how did that not come out first when I thought about this?

[Rachel Dratch]

I mean, we gotta go there. But also we were first wondering, but I don't know if you have ever experienced this, maybe you haven't. But one of the first things we're wondering is have you ever or have you known anyone who's worked with a psychic or self proclaiming psychic or whatever, someone that calls up to try to solve a case or be like, I know where this body is or anything like that? Have you heard anything anecdotal or in your own path on that topic?

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

Yes, I have not worked with a psychic on a case. I have been contacted by them. I have worked on cases. You get this mostly in the high profile cases because people hear about them, they're on the news and sometimes by us, you know, police, prosecutors going out to the public looking for help and then they come in. I've also had family members that have come to us with it. And I'll tell you, like this is where I come out and it's. But it happens, right? I mean, actually when I was thinking about this, it just so happens I saw right now in Florida, which I didn't practice in, I was always in Brooklyn, but I think it was the Fort Lauderdale Police Department just hired a psychic to work on a cold case there because they just heard a dead end. And as a consultant and it's called something. Oh, I wrote it down. Intuitive consultant, I. E. Psychic is what she calls herself. But to see what they could help. And I thought that actually when I was reading that article, she, the woman who they're working with described it pretty well. She's like, the police are doing the work, but I'm there to see if I can provide breadcrumbs to help them. Which I thought was kind of cool.

[Irene Bremis]

I love that.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

I never have. It's very rare. I will tell you that law enforcement prosecutors actually work with psychic. I can't bring it into a courtroom. None of it's admissible, any of it. So we're always, you know, like, we are like the boring squad, right? When you think about it, because you have to do it a certain way. And we're always thinking, is this going to be admissible? Can I get it in? And we're like, I'm a fact based person I'm a skeptic. I mean, that is my true nature when I think about it. I think I've been called the fun.

[Rachel Dratch]

Except for the elves.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

Except for the elves. And I think I'm a lot of fun. You know, the five friends I have think I'm fun. Everyone else don't really care. But, you know, fun police, I've been called.

[Rachel Dratch]

That's all you need.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

Yeah, that's really all you need. But. So I haven't. But we've definitely had them. And it's, you know, it can be do. I think there's something to it myself. And I will say this, like, I think I've always been a skeptic, even though I've had my own experiences that I will say to this day are real. My mom is the biggest believer. I can't even tell you the conversations we've had that she feels things, sees things, who knows what comes out? But I do think that it's hard in our game changers. But just like getting back to that for one second, the one thing, and speaking of my partner Scott in the podcast was a conversation we were having on a case that we had covered at some point that they used one. And I thought that he phrased it really well, which is that when there's been no answers and a family is desperate for them, how do you say no? How do you say no to at least try? Right? And I think we all know, like, believe in this, don't believe in it. Who knows, right? None of us really know. And so if it's someone that's like out there and doesn't have a sixth sense in the world, but they want to put it in their pocket. Great. No harm, no foul, maybe as long as they don't screw up the case. But maybe there's something to it and they can just give the breadcrumbs, as this woman that I was reading about today says. And then I think it's kind of interesting. So, no, I haven't. I'd be very hard pressed to probably do it for that reason. But that's when I think it's come up.

[Irene Bremis]

It offers hope to some degree for the family, you know, who doesn't come at all.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

I say no to that. How.

[Irene Bremis]

Right.

[Rachel Dratch]

Okay.

[Christine Schieffer]

So no.

[Rachel Dratch]

No psychic. No psychics have found a body for you. I know that's not you. You're not on the body finding squad, though. Okay. So do you want to talk a little about your own. If you've had any woo woo stuff or. Let's definitely Your mom and the Icelandic of it all.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

Yeah. So I think like with start with Iceland, since it came there and I didn't even think of it till we were chatting before. Is that so? In Iceland, they will say, they would just say like, it's not woo woo. It's real. It's real. There are elves, there are gnomes. We grew up, my mom's Icelandic, but we always lived here. I grew up in New York. And we would always go. And she still, you know, she loves to go down memory lane with me and my brothers, if we're still five. But she always talks about my brother always, you know, lifting up every rock looking for the elves and the gnomes, because again, they're real. When you're in Iceland, maybe they don't live anywhere else, but they do. And I think if you spoke to many Icelanders, you know, I don't care what their degree is, I don't care what they do, they will tell you they are real. So if you want woo woo, you go to Reykjavik, Iceland, and you ask them and maybe you will find them for yourselves. But yes, there are, as you said, there are crossings. There is a lot of talk about the lore and I think certainly to some extent still, people that are absolute believers in the elves.

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[Irene Bremis]

I have a question. Now, when I went to Ireland, it was, it was very, you know, I was warned multiple times not to go into the forest and bring anything out of the forest because I would like something about it belongs to the fairies and it's bad luck. And of course, I didn't listen. I brought out a branch. This is a true story. And I, I wish I could get my friend on, on the show to corroborate my story. So I picked a piece of wood up and they really are, they're, they're very adamant about this. They're like, do not bring anything out of the forest. So I leave with like a piece of, like a sticker.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

Did you tuck it into your pocket? Like, I'm bringing this thing home, like, boldly.

[Irene Bremis]

I was a brazen bitch. I walked out with like a piece of, you know, a twig. And I'm walking out and we go visit this guy in long, this bogman that was like, related to my ex boyfriend at the time. And we stayed with him. And after we left like two days later. He died of an asthma attack. I mean, I mean, could it be coincidence or was this.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

I mean, I feel like transferred the badness to the guy because you brought out the stick.

[Irene Bremis]

I hope not.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

But the timing are supposed to be for good, aren't they?

[Irene Bremis]

Not if you take something out of their forest apparently. Okay. Anna six.

[Rachel Dratch]

Did you. Have you gone to Iceland a lot?

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

I have, I was actually, yeah, I have again a lot more. When I was a kid I used to go there. I think it's also because I could go to the clubs before I was 21. That was always a lot of fun, but I did a lot as a kid.

[Rachel Dratch]

And have you ever had a brush with an elf in the club or otherwise?

[Podcast Announcer/Host]

Yes.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

No. But I was like, there's a lot of elves in the club.

[Irene Bremis]

There's a lot of elves in the clubs.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

Exactly.

[Rachel Dratch]

Have you, I take it you've seen the little signs that say elf crossing and stuff like that.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

Oh yeah, they're everywhere. And like.

[Rachel Dratch]

And what are they?

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

Oh, and there's like, there's things with elves on them and. No, it's, it's. It's not uncommon to see them. It's not like one place for the tourists.

[Rachel Dratch]

Are they like benevolent or are they pranksters or what's their. What's their general reputation?

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

All of them. I think it's. My mom's gonna get mad. I don't really remember this, but I think there's 13 days of Christmas in Iceland. And so you get like the good elf, the bad elf, the trickster elf. So they've got all of them, they have all sorts of personalities.

[Podcast Announcer/Host]

Oh, that's cool.

[Meta Voice]

Yeah.

[Rachel Dratch]

And then have you ever had any growing up or otherwise as an adult? Have you ever had any woo woo things happen in your life?

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

I have but one myself, but I think so I grew up in a house that my parents, they collected a lot of tribal art and there's a lot of figures and people involved in it. So at night I would be like. Because they were people in these carvings and stuff. I was like, they're gonna come alive, you know, so they'd have to run from whatever. But there was spir that they had some of the spirit dolls in the house. And I'll never forget and I don't know If I was 7, 8, 9 or what it was, but my parents were away so we had a babysitter staying with us and it was, you know, evening and I remember used to look from my room to the. It was like A bathroom connected to the laundry room. And I just started to see socks go across. Like, socks. I know it's the most bizarre thing, but I was like, this is weird. Maybe my brother would. Five and a half years younger than me. So I was like, I don't think this toddler ran out and did this. Maybe the babysitter's up. Even though everyone. The house was quiet, I was too afraid to go and check. But I think, like, I finally crawled and there was nobody there. Went back into my room, sock. To this day, that's all I could say about it. But it's like I'll swear forever that that happened. That there was nothing there. And I was like, is it like one of these spirits playing a trick? You know, just having fun? I don't know. Or just trying to get me scared. So even though I've always been. I would say, like, I've been a skeptic overall. Cause I haven't experienced or don't really think that way. I had that experience that I'll swear happened and it did. And my mom will say yes, of course. Because there are other things we can't see. That's why. Right. There are other things out there.

[Rachel Dratch]

So your mom is a full Woo Woo believer.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

She's a believer. She is a believer. She will tell you that she has had, you know, different. That she can feel things and nothing, you know, not enough that she would call her anything specific, but that she's a believer and thinks that it is part of her aura, so to speak. I'll give it to her. I just don't get it.

[Podcast Announcer/Host]

Wow.

[Irene Bremis]

I might have a question about the crime world now. A lot of it's ironic that a lot of lawyers and a lot of cops and detectives become standup comedians. I don't know why, but I know a lot of standup comedians that were lawyers and detectives. And one of my best, like, friends that was doing standup, he was a detective. And he always used to say to me that criminals are really stupid. People think that they're smart, but they're really dumb because they always do something to. And they become. And they get caught. Either it's bragging or they do something stupid. Have you ever found that? I'm just curious.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

I have two things. First, about them coming standup comedians. It is this bizarre phenomenon. Like one of my best, best friends. And I don't know if I'm allowed to say his name on here or not, but Mitch Benson, he was a chief in homicide before me. And that's what he, when he left, he ran for DA somewhere and then he became a standup comedian. It's like people are like, how does one do the other? I will tell you, he's one of the funniest people I know. So it made sense to me. Like it made, you know. But it is a phenomenon that is absolutely accurate.

[Irene Bremis]

Yeah, it's true.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

So when you said it, I was like one of my best friends did that. But I think, no, I don't think that all criminals are stupid. I think some of them are, but it's like anyone else, I think.

[Irene Bremis]

Yeah, right.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

And I think some are incredibly bright. But I also think that they get caught because I am a believer that when you are doing something that you shouldn't, more often than not it leaves a trail and that it comes out in some way. Whether you slip and say something to someone, there is, you know, you can't think of everything no matter how smart you are. And so there is a piece of something that gets uncovered. And I think for those that are less intelligent or educated or whatever the case may be, maybe they're less savvy and maybe the slip ups are a little more obvious sometimes. But I've seen people that are, some of whom I would say are brilliant that, you know, they left evidence trails all over the place and just thought that or the ones that left almost nothing. But then when you found the one the thread and you pulled just keeps showing itself. So that's really what I think. I think that it's just like, I think like if you lie while, you know, a lot of times they kind of go off cause they don't matter enough. But that's the truth surfaces some way somehow.

[Irene Bremis]

It does always.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

And I think it's the same thing with crime. And again, when you have a crime like homicide or a more serious crime that is going to be investigated, people are going to find it eventually. That's right. And I just think that that is, it's more, it's unbelievable to me that people don't realize it, you know, or, you know, there's a case that I had that unfortunately it was a very young police officer that was murdered during a car stop. Only child parents brought him to this country to get a better life. He became a New York City police officer, did a car stop for a bad license plate, which was a bad license plate. And they killed him because they didn't want to go to jail for the guns in their car, which he didn't even know they had guns in their car. But when you talk about the fact that they thought that that was a slicker move to get away with that. You don't think that if you kill a police officer, you are going to have law enforcement from every corner of the United States looking for you. It's just so there. We can talk about maybe not the most cells in the intelligence department, unfortunately, at the expense of someone's life. But then I've had. I mean, I have had killers that are just. Just brilliant. Brilliant. Like, you know, you see these psych reports at times and just. But it also can make them more devious sometimes and all the scarier. But they still get caught. They still get caught, which I'm thankful for, you know, I think for all our sakes and certainly as a prosecutor. But I don't think it's fair to say, like, you know, I always. I was. I was someone. I'm really careful on the podcast that I'll never, like, call people evil or anything, because even though I've seen things that are evil, I don't know, I guess I don't want to be the thing that I am so against other people when they do these things that we're still human beings. And I have a lot to say about their actions, but I still think as human beings, I don't want to be as brazen as I think sometimes people are that leads them not to care. Because I think people that kill a lot of it, the Rupert, they don't understand the quality or the preciousness of human life.

[Rachel Dratch]

I think that's very deep and real.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

Sorry, sorry. Not a comedy podcast. What am I doing?

[Rachel Dratch]

In a good one way. In a good way, like, that's very true.

[Podcast Announcer/Host]

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[Rachel Dratch]

I've thought that.

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[Rachel Dratch]

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[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

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[Irene Bremis]

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[Rachel Dratch]

Have you ever had someone that you're prosecuting that you really do feel like is, I don't know, like a psychopath or sociopath or someone. I mean, I guess you must have over the years. So have you ever prosecuted someone who's just like in it for the thrill of killing?

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

Oh yeah.

[Rachel Dratch]

I mean, yes, quite a few.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

Yeah. Again, I did it for a long time. I was prosecuting 16 of 21 years. I have had certain again luckily on, you know, probably, you know, on a handful one or two hands that killed just for the thrill of it. But that have literally there's just one case I'm thinking of. They killed a young woman and had a second one being held. Fortunately, she escaped and survived, which is how we caught them. But they talked about whatever they were watching on the news that day that she heard while she was tied up in the next room, saying, look at these guys getting this attention. Wait till they see what we're gonna do. We are gonna get so much more attention, like, just giddy, having fun. And I will say that what they did to the first one, I won't get into the specifics, but unbelievably cruel torture. And just for the fun of it. And I remember during the trial, which was, like, the most serious, I mean, besides the fact that they tried to escape from the courtroom and take us with them by taking a gun, that they just were having fun. They were jumping up and down, giving the jury the finger until they were taken out of the courtroom. And there are certain people like that that you just can't get past the eyes. You can just see it. You see it? Yeah.

[Irene Bremis]

You're looking into an abyss of evil. Now, see, I have a hard time not calling that not fucking evil. You know, by the way, I really do.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

I'm saying that I don't feel it.

[Rachel Dratch]

Right.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

But I just think it's important. I don't know, like, if I want things to be different, which I really do, which is a much deeper problem than I'll ever solve, you know? But I think we all kind of, as like, a community, have to conduct ourselves a certain way, you know, I really do believe that. So. But I think, gosh, it's like you go down this serious world, but I think it comes back to, like you said, like, you're dealing in this world, and you need to have those lighter moments, or else we'd all, like, have covers over our heads, like, all day long.

[Irene Bremis]

Absolutely. 100.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

Thank goodness for the stuff that you ladies do. 100%. Because this is what I was thinking about when I lost the first part of your question, Rachel, is that, like, so obviously this is. You've both been funny. You're funny for work, you're funny. But in your own life, was it coping or just kind of what you did as kids? I'm so curious. Right. Cause there's some people that are just funny, or there's some people that use that for some other reason, and then it became your everything.

[Rachel Dratch]

Yeah, that's a great question.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

See, I'm more comfortable asking questions.

[Rachel Dratch]

I mean, I feel like I was kind of surrounded by funny people, so sort of in the air. Like, my dad was very funny, and then my friends were funny, and then I was watching snl, and comedy was kind of revered in my family. Sort of like they would watch Carol Burnett and snl, all this stuff. So I sort of was steeped in it. But I don't know. I guess I also look at comedy as a way of, like, deflecting the heavy stuff that's going on, or, like, it's a way of, like, dealing without dealing, you know, so we probably grew up, you know, not having a lot of. Whatever. I don't want to say deep conversations, because I don't mean like that, but, like, if there was a problem, it's not like we're like, hey, family, let's everyone sit down and discuss it. Like, you see on tv, it's like someone makes a joke or something. I don't know. Irene, what do you say to them

[Irene Bremis]

to make light of it?

[Rachel Dratch]

That's me, like, sort of talking off the cuff about it. I don't know. What do you think, Irene?

[Irene Bremis]

I think, yeah. Similarly, you know, I had a very funny mother and a very funny father. But I do believe that our comedy was rooted in pain. Absolutely. It came from, like, a place of hurt. And it was definitely used as a coping mechanism because. And I feel like it was almost, like, hereditary and passed on, like, in every dark moment. So, yes, I was surrounded by funny people, but the humor was always dark. And it was used as a coping mechanism for me because without humor, I don't even think I would be here. It literally saved my life. And then doing the show, I think. And Rachel and I will text each other, and I'll always be like, we're doing God's work, sweetie. And she'll be like, God's work. But I feel like even now, just infusing the love, like, you know, we really love each other when we have such a good time. Our guests on the show are so fun. And we, no matter how dark the subjects can get, because Rachel mentioned that some of the subjects get dark just talking about ghosts, because ghosts are dead people. So we have to address that. Okay, they're dead, which is never a fun subject. So. But just infusing comedy and just throwing that into the ether just, again, is like a coping mechanism, but also a way of deflecting, like Rachel said, and just a way of carrying on without what you said, putting the shades over our heads.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

You know, it's so interesting to me because I do think, like, it's a vital thing to laugh. And so for people like both of you and all those in your profession, it's such an important thing. You know, like, people talk about, like,

[Rachel Dratch]

the doctors, the nurses, like, do we

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

have the comedians in there, like, people

[Christine Schieffer]

are like, what is.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

Like, I don't know. But don't you need to laugh to deal with the rest?

[Rachel Dratch]

I don't know what to do with that.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

But when I'm thinking about it, like,

[Rachel Dratch]

how, how important is it, you know what's so funny? Okay. And not to plug Rocky Horror again, but tickets available. So I'm doing this show that people like, have a lot of fun at. And so I do feel good being involved in this thing where people are laughing. But literally last night, like I was scrolling before I went on stage looking at, you know, what's happening, like, are we going to have a fair election? And I'm having this panic, you know, these rising panics off the news and backstage. And then I walk out, like, so I don't know where I'm going with this other than tickets available for Rocky Hart. But I guess I'm saying, like, it is important, like, for me to not only perform but also to consume. Like right now I don't. I'm not watching anything that's making me tense. Like, I like to watch light hearted fare right now.

[Irene Bremis]

Me too, sweetie. Me too.

[Rachel Dratch]

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[Rachel Dratch]

Okay. Yes, of course it's available everywhere. When you want to balance out the light hearted laughs, check out Anna Sega at Homicide360.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

Please do it.

[Rachel Dratch]

And also, oh, one other thing I really did like about to be sincere here is I like doing this pod. Sometimes we get these sort of assignments, you know, like, go listen to this podcast or go read this book or whatever. And I like, it's something that's off my usual thing. Like, it was really interesting hearing how cases get solved, how, you know, the police procedure, all this stuff. Maybe people that watch these shows all the time.

[Irene Bremis]

I know I'm a junkie.

[Rachel Dratch]

I like delving into a topic that's not my world. So I really enjoyed it.

[Irene Bremis]

It is.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

Thank you.

[Irene Bremis]

I mean, I was obsessed with those shows. In fact, you know, I love that they can be murder tutorials on how to kill your husband with an untraceable substance too.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

But I think about that sometimes when we're talking about that. I was like, are we giving someone an idea? But I was like, no, it's out there. It's out there. We're just talking about how to get caught, so don't do it.

[Rachel Dratch]

How'd they get caught exactly?

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

Yeah, I was a crime junkie too, though. But only, like, I was a Law and Order junkie, which. So I do the Law and Order podcast, too, which for me was a very fan girl moment, quite honestly, because I was like, oh, like, this is the thing. I've watched every night when I got home from the DA's office. And now I get to partner with them and talk through these same cases for their podcast, Criminal Justice System. But otherwise, I don't watch this stuff. I don't listen to it.

[Irene Bremis]

Why don't you blame it?

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

Because it comes at me from all sides. The cases I worked and the cases I'm now doing. And I care about them. I'm thinking about them. But then it's like, you know, like, I wanna watch. Well, maybe, like, only Murders in the Building. Right. But it's gonna make me laugh while I'm watching it. I love that.

[Irene Bremis]

That makes sense, right?

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

Like, I just. I need to laugh. Like, I need to not think and laugh. Same thing with books. I want, like, lighter things so that I can get down to my work. Cause my work is heavy, you know?

[Irene Bremis]

Exactly. 100%.

[Rachel Dratch]

Wow.

[Irene Bremis]

Yeah.

[Rachel Dratch]

Well, I don't have any other. Do you have any other questions, Irene? No, but I don't go to the Pendulum.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

I'm ready.

[Rachel Dratch]

You know, about that.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

And I even. I wrote down questions to make sure I'd be true to what I was saying. Cause I, of course, like, I read it, but then I listened to some of the podcasts, which is also just fun. You have such a variety of guests. You really do. Whether it's, like, people you know and friends, the famous, the not famous, the people that are in this for, like, the real deal versus. I thought it was actually very interesting, just the different guests. And then I think it was last week you had a castmate from Rocky Horror. Like, it was just. It's all over the place. Those kind of interesting, like, bopping around, listening to them.

[Rachel Dratch]

All right, so the Pendulum.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

Yep.

[Rachel Dratch]

Are you thinking of a yes or no question? Okay. Okay, here we go.

[Irene Bremis]

Okay, I'm getting a yes on this.

[Rachel Dratch]

I got a yes. What was your question?

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

Will my career shift again? Oh, interesting.

[Rachel Dratch]

Interesting shift out of right now.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

But. But can you ask. Can you do it one more time? Because I have another one that I really want the answer to. I really want the answer to this one.

[Rachel Dratch]

Okay.

[Irene Bremis]

Okay. I got another yes.

[Rachel Dratch]

I did, too. I got another yes.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

Okay, so this one was. Will I be able to take two weeks and really disconnect sometime in the next two years?

[Irene Bremis]

Wow. Wow.

[Rachel Dratch]

Oh, I mean, I would hope that you can do that regardless of the pendulum. That was very exciting.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

I just feel like, especially when you have your own business and you're doing things, there's always something. Or it's like I'm worried about missing something. And there's always something. And I always say, like, I want. I'm a worker bee, so I want to always be working, but I just want to be like one of those people who just has a couple weeks that I could just do nothing but fun stuff or just nothing.

[Rachel Dratch]

Oh, yes, you are going to have two weeks free, but I hope you get more than two weeks free.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

I'm gonna take two.

[Rachel Dratch]

All right. Oh, and where can people find you besides? I'm gonna say homicide 360 again, but, like, is there anywhere else do you want to plug or have people find you or whatever?

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

Let me just say at Homicide360, you can find it wherever you get your podcast. New episodes drop on Tuesdays. I also do Law and Order, criminal justice system. You can get the last two seasons out now, but you can also find me on Instagram and also Homicide360, which is the best place, and our Patreon page. And being that now we are starting out brand new, we would appreciate the support. Listen to one episode and see what you think. And maybe we start with that first one that we talked about with Footsteps on the Stairs with Kanya Lofton.

[Rachel Dratch]

Yeah. All right, well, thank you so much, Anasega.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

Thank you, ladies. Thank you. Pleasure, Rachel and Irene. This was a lot of fun for me.

[Rachel Dratch]

Yeah, this is really off our. Off our usual path, but we like to go off the path and explore new worlds like we said. Great.

[Podcast Announcer/Host]

Thank you so much.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

Thank you both. Thanks.

[Irene Bremis]

Bye, sweetie.

[Anna Seaga Nicolasi]

Bye.

[Rachel Dratch]

And you can find me on. On Instagram at Raydratch. That's R A E Dratch. And you can find Irene at IreneBremis. That's B R E M I S Bremes. And thanks for listening. Thanks for joining me on this journey

[Podcast Announcer/Host]

into the world of Woo Woo.

[Rachel Dratch]

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[Podcast Announcer/Host]

Henning and Steve Wilson.

[Rachel Dratch]

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