Craig Bierko: The Last Will and Testament of an Extremely Distinguished Dog

Summary

Podcast Summary: Woo Woo with Rachel Dratch – “Craig Bierko: The Last Will and Testament of an Extremely Distinguished Dog”

Host: Rachel Dratch
Co-host: Irene Bremis
Guest: Craig Bierko
Date: September 17, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this heartfelt and humorous episode, Rachel Dratch and Irene Bremis welcome actor and Broadway star Craig Bierko to explore questions of loss, connection, and the uncanny moments that make life feel “woo woo.” Craig shares personal stories about his late dog Boo, synchronicities that comforted him during grief, and unexpected spiritual experiences, blending honest emotion with comedic wit. The conversation meanders through stories about Broadway, celebrity encounters, grief rituals, channelers, past lives, and the healing journey of pet ownership—showcasing how laughter and the unexplainable go hand in hand.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Craig’s Broadway Past & Rachel’s Fangirling

• Rachel opens with admiration for Craig’s Tony-nominated role in The Music Man (02:20).
• Craig does an impromptu patter of “Ya Got Trouble” from The Music Man (03:01).
• Nostalgic banter about memories from Celebrity Autobiography and meeting Rosie O’Donnell, including offhand showbiz advice (“You can’t be heavy. I can be heavy, you can’t be heavy.” —Rosie, 06:55).

2. Grief, Love, and the Woo Woo of Dogs

• Craig recounts the deep loss of his dog Boo post-pandemic, describing the transformative love and the pain of letting go (08:12).

• He shares a vivid “woo woo” moment: At the peak of his grief, a distant acquaintance, Peter Chatsky, sent him Eugene O’Neill’s Last Will and Testament of an Incredible Dog, which arrived at the exact moment he was about to break down in tears (10:11).

  “It was the will written by the dog… the only thing I can leave you is that raincoat… It would be a shame if the love we had didn’t transfer onto another dog.” – Craig, paraphrasing Eugene O’Neill (12:09)

• Craig describes lingering moments with Boo’s presence (“I’d get up to use the bathroom and say ‘I’ll be right back’—but there’s nobody there, no dog.”) (14:05)

• Minutes before the episode, he met a woman at an Apple Store with a dog, who worked for a foster organization—another synchronistic moment encouraging him to adopt again (15:41).

  “That literally happened. That happened an hour ago.” – Craig (15:45)

• Reflection on how caring for Boo made Craig “the best [he] had ever been as a person” (21:09).

3. Audience Connection & Pet Adoption

• Hopeful shout-out to listeners grieving pets, wishing them healing and encouraging future adoptions (23:31).

  “My wish is that this podcast leads them to that when they're ready for it.” – Craig (23:31)

4. Craig’s Brush with the Mystical: Channelers in Sedona

• Craig describes visiting Sedona and meeting renowned channeler Robert Shapiro, who enters a trance and channels “Zosh” (28:10).
• In the reading, Craig is told he was a “fisherman poet” in ancient Greece: “You used to get up in the bistros and read your poetry to the other fishermen…and as you got older you would read your poems to the fishes.” (30:13)

  “Karma is like a big record album… if you don’t solve something in one life, it’s going to come around again in the next.” – Craig via “Zosh” (31:18)

• Years later, while filming in Malta, Craig has a profound “past-life” moment: looking out over the Mediterranean, he sees a lone fisherman in a boat, and it feels “sacred,” linking to his Sedona experience (33:19).

5. Open-Minded Skepticism & Creative Discipline

• Conversation about the balance between healthy skepticism and openness to the mystical, especially in moments of creative or personal need (24:33, 39:32).
• Reflections on writing, discipline, and how pain is necessary for creative output (writing “is how much pain you can take.” —31:38).

6. The Pendulum Segment: Seeking Guidance

• The group engages in a “pendulum” ritual, using it to ask yes/no questions—mostly about future dogs, and Rachel’s career awards (40:09).
• Light teasing about showbiz anxieties and dreams—Rachel jokes about the pendulum denying her Tony dreams (40:45).

7. Mutual Support and Comic Relief

• Craig expresses deep gratitude for the joy and solace he finds in comedy, especially Rachel’s iconic “Debbie Downer” sketch.

  “It is something. That’s one of those go-to little pills you can take to make you feel better.” – Craig (43:41)

• Rachel shares that filming “Debbie Downer” was as fun in real life as it looked, despite “trying so hard not to laugh.” (43:19)

8. Woo Woo Zodiac: Nailing Craig’s Sign

• In a rare moment of triumph, Rachel and Irene both correctly guess Craig’s zodiac sign—Leo—eliciting laughter and surprise (44:05).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On spiritual openness:

  “I wasn’t sure how woo woo I was. I’m very open to… We don’t know what’s going on.” – Craig (08:12)

• On grief and comfort:

  “It was exactly, perfectly timed. The cry did come… It was the last big cry, but it was… for the crying section, for the raw emotion.” – Craig (14:05)

• On synchronicity:

  “That literally happened. That happened an hour ago.” – Craig, after describing a woman encouraging him to adopt a dog, as he headed to the podcast (15:45)

• On life with his dog Boo:

  “I was the best that I had ever been as a person… when I had to, you know, there’s no giving in because you feel sad or depressed… you gotta take the dog out…” – Craig (21:09)

• On past lives & karma:

  “Karma is like a big record album… if you don’t solve something in one life, it’s going to come around again in the next life.” – “Zosh” via Craig’s channeling experience (31:18)

• On writing:

  “Any writer who tells you it’s anything other than how much pain you can take, they’re lying to you.” – Wisdom relayed by Craig (31:38)

• On “Debbie Downer:”

  “That is such a joyous moment… one of those go-to little pills you can take to feel better.” – Craig (43:40)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [02:20] Rachel discusses Craig’s role in The Music Man
• [03:01] Craig performs “Ya Got Trouble” patter
• [06:55] Showbiz advice from Rosie O’Donnell
• [08:12] Craig’s woo woo openness and the story of losing his dog Boo
• [10:11] The “Last Will and Testament of an Incredible Dog” arrives at a pivotal moment
• [14:05] Describing the timing and emotional impact of receiving the book
• [15:41] Fresh synchronistic event: Apple Store, dog foster woman
• [21:09] How caring for Boo made Craig a better person
• [23:31] Wishing healing for other grieving pet owners
• [28:10] Sedona, channeler Robert Shapiro, and meeting “Zosh”
• [30:13] Fisherman poet past life reading
• [31:18] Karma and unfinished lessons in life
• [33:19] Malta moment: seeing the fisherman, resonance with past life
• [39:32] Rachel and Irene discuss skepticism and openness in psychic encounters
• [40:09] Pendulum section: asking about future dogs and Tony awards
• [43:19] Behind the scenes of “Debbie Downer”
• [44:05] Both correctly guess Craig’s zodiac sign as Leo

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Episode Tone and Vibe

The episode is a signature blend of humor, warmth, and vulnerability—true to the Woo Woo brand of “curiosity with comedy.” Craig’s emotional honesty is met with empathy and playful irreverence from Rachel and Irene. The storytelling is both poignant and absurd; synchronicity, psychic readings, and the mysteries of loss and creativity are treated with open-minded skepticism and genuine wonder. The episode ends on a buoyant note, reflecting the healing power of laughter, friendship, and, of course, dogs.

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For Listeners

If you’ve ever grieved a pet, wrestled with creative blocks, or just wondered whether that meaningful coincidence was “woo woo,” this episode is for you. You’ll laugh, maybe cry a bit, and definitely feel less alone in those blurry spaces between the explainable and the magical.

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Transcript

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[C]

Hello, sweetie.

[B]

Irene, we are in person coming to you from the esteemed Players Club. Today this guy said he wanted to meet in person and we said, sure. Please welcome. He trekked it on down from the Upper west side. Please welcome actor man about town and New Yorker extraordinaire, Craig Bierko.

[A]

Extraordinaire. Hello. I'm happy to be here. Do you resent being here?

[B]

No.

[A]

If you guys want to go home, I'll solo this.

[C]

I love you.

[B]

No, I said that because it's a special event. It's like a special event presentation.

[A]

I just thought it's always better to be in the room. And then the first episode I listened to was Will fetch Daryl, who's like calling in from an igloo.

[B]

Like, you know, that was back before we had refined our technical. We had a lot of technical difficulties. Poor Will had to sit through.

[C]

He had to sit through those. Yeah, that was hard for him.

[B]

We changed our system anyway, but here we are. This is the old fashioned system.

[C]

That's right.

[B]

Live and in person.

[A]

That's right. Fantastic.

[B]

So, Craig, hello. Now, Craig, I first of all saw you in the Music Man. We were starring as Professor Harold Hill. What year was this?

[A]

The year 2000. Which still sounds like the future.

[C]

I know. Yeah, right. It does.

[B]

I love the Music man so much and your performance was amazing. And the Music man often brings me to tears. Does that happen to you?

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Because it's like the musical.

[A]

I think it's the musical. I think it's the great American musical.

[B]

It's so good. Anyways, you were fantastic in it.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

We're going to have you do trouble in River City right here, just as a kickoff. Well, you got trouble, my friends don't wait. By the way, question.

[A]

If you're closing your eyes to a situation you do not wish to acknowledge, you are not aware of the caliber of disaster indicated by the presence of a pool table in your community. Well, you got trouble, my friend, right here. Say trouble right here in River City. Why, Shore, I'm a big player, certainly mighty proud to say it. I'm always mighty proud to say it. I consider that the hours I spend with a cue in my hand are golden. Help cultivate a horse sense with a cool head and keen eye. Did you ever take and try to give an ironclad leave to yourself from a three rail billiard shot? I'm not going to keep doing it.

[C]

No wonder you got nominated for a Tony for that right.

[A]

For speed alone. Yeah, we go with speed alone.

[C]

That is no Adderall I'm not worried about.

[B]

I'm not worried about your Shakespeare memorization. Now, Craig was just telling us that he's about to go to Chicago to do what you do about nothing. There's a lot of Shakespeare memorization, which is different from pool hall memorization. But anyways, I think if you can remember all that. And that was from 2000?

[A]

It was 2000. But I was good to go with the music when I was 8 because I used to do that for Nana with the record.

[B]

You used to do that for Nana?

[A]

Oh, yeah. My mom had all the musicals and my grandfather was a very talented pianist and they would go and see all the musicals and he could just sit down at the piano and just. They'd go see Oklahoma and he'd just go. He was a businessman. He had nothing to do with music. He was just a great businessman. Yeah, he was one of those guys. It's like, I happen to be great at this too. If I gave you a million guesses, you could never guess his last name. My mother's maiden name.

[C]

What is it?

[B]

Wait a second, wait a second. We could never guess your mother's maiden name is what you're saying, right? Because it's so.

[A]

It's just crazy.

[B]

Is it a noun?

[A]

It is a noun.

[C]

Ooh, buffalo.

[A]

No.

[B]

What if I got it? What if I guess I think that.

[C]

You'Re like a psycho.

[A]

If you got it, I wouldn't have a million dollars would be in trouble.

[B]

I would be amaz. I.

[A]

But I. But it is. It's a. It's a appliance, I suppose. App. A machine or an appliance. Close.

[C]

Oh, really?

[B]

Refrigerator.

[C]

Oh, now I'm getting competitive.

[A]

It's almost the combination of the two.

[C]

Okay, hold on a second.

[B]

Dryer.

[A]

The objects. But the sound of it.

[B]

The sound of it.

[C]

Dishwasher. Sorry, I'm.

[B]

It's something ater.

[A]

Oh, my God. If you pull this up.

[C]

Oh, if you pull this up, I'm going to be very jealous.

[B]

50S appliance or is it a car? That's a good question.

[A]

You said dishwasher and then you said. Said.

[B]

Ate her a Frigidaire.

[A]

No, no, but that's. My other Nana would always go. Go to the Frigidaire and get yourself a ginger ale. No, this was. Should I tell you?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Distillator.

[C]

I would have never gotten that.

[B]

Wait a minute.

[A]

Distillator.

[B]

Distillator.

[C]

You wouldn't have gotten that. Sweet.

[A]

We were like, what the hell is that? And. And I just thought, were we like, on the boat and they were like criminals from Hungary, like, we need a name. And then just saw, like, Distillator, you know, company or something. Distillator. We'll be the distillators.

[B]

So you were singing Music man to Nana. Nana Distillator or no different.

[A]

Well, that was Francis Distillator. But also. But. But also Nana. Stephanie Bierko. Yeah, I would do it. Anybody. Anybody who asked. Literally to this day, obviously.

[B]

So I saw you the Music man in 2000. We also did Celebrity Autobiography together. That's how I met you.

[A]

I think I was intimidated. I was always intimidated when I went there.

[B]

I did. With Celebrity Autobiography.

[A]

Well, kind of. Yeah.

[C]

You know, I missed that one.

[B]

Oh, you did?

[C]

I came to one that you were on with Ryan Reynolds, though.

[B]

Oh, okay. So then you saw. Oh, you missed the credit show.

[C]

I missed.

[A]

Oh, yeah, no, we did a few together and then there was one down in Miami.

[B]

Oh, Rosie o'. Donnell's. We met Rosie o'. Donnell.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

We went to her pool.

[A]

We went to her pool and she. And she was very nice. She invited us over to her house and she kind of swam over to me and she got right in my face and she. And now I happened to. I thought she was very nice to us, but she said, you can't be heavy. I was a little heavier. She said, you can't be heavy. I can be heavy. You can't be heavy. And then she kind of swam away.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. It was a little show business advice.

[B]

You told us this at the time.

[A]

I may have, because it was striking. It was a little striking, too.

[B]

A little striking. You Know what she said? So I was there with my then baby and John baby daddy and John's mom. Cause she had come down to meet up with us and I believe that we were in the pool and Rosie o' Donnell says to John's mom, like it was Rosie and her then either wife or girlfriend, and says to John, like they were just chatting. Says to John's mom, Catholic lady living up in Michigan. So you've ever been with a woman, like to John's mom who like just, I mean. Yeah, that's a question you could ask maybe not to like, you know.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Anyway, it was pretty funny.

[A]

Not an opener.

[B]

It was pretty funny. But now that I know that about the. What she said, getting just a vibe.

[C]

That's the standup in her.

[B]

Okay. So anyway, at this rate, we're going through the resume very. We really are. But anyway, but it's not about the resume. So, Craig, you live in the city. We don't know your woo woo. You know, we don't know how woo woo you are.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

How woo woo are you?

[A]

Well, I wasn't sure how woo woo I was. I mean, I'm very open to. We don't know what's going on. Yeah. I was trying to think, do I have a woo woo? But then I started thinking, you know, I had lost my dog about three years ago and the experience of having a dog and how life changing that was and then the period of time afterwards. And that was sort of, I was kind of saying at the beginning, right after the pandemic, her name was Boo. Boo died. I had to get out of my apartment. There was a breakup. And I just thought, I'm a skeleton. I've got to get some flesh. I got to build my whole life up again. Was in debt. Everything, you know, was just horrible. And I know a lot of people the same story, but the main thing was the loss of this creature who I, you know, was my heart. And it was, it was very hard. It's still, it's, it's three years later. So I feel ready now to start, you know, you know, I'm better with a dog. But I did have an experience where it was. I'd gotten past the explosive crying period. The operatic stand back, big man crying. This isn't gonna be easy on anybody, you know, I was on 79th and Columbus Avenue. It was Christmas. And some guy was walking his dog, had a sweater, Christmas music playing. And I thought. And I went, oh, this is gonna be a bad one. I just felt it. And I was like, I gotta find, like a little corner. And my phone rang, felt a little vibration and picked up. And it was. It was a name that I recognized from, like an online. Do you ever hear a group called the Stump? From years ago? Bunch of people, bunch of writers. The name I knew for years and years. But if I'd met him, I'd met him once, this guy, Peter Chatsky. And I said, hi. And he goes, craig? And I said, yes. He goes, did you check your mail? And I went, there was something. I had just walked out of my apartment. I took a walk, and I'm just heading back there because I'm about to lose complete control. He goes, I sent you something. Call me after you open it.

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[C]

That happened an hour ago.

[B]

So on your way to tell your.

[A]

Dog story, I wasn't sure what I was going to say. I was coming down here going, I think I'm going to be wasting these people's time.

[B]

That's kind of cool.

[A]

And then I, I, when I went and got my coffee, because I got here early, I thought, jericho, you gotta come up with a woo woo.

[B]

Well, it's not really required, by the way. I know, but like, already you've provided enough woo woo.

[C]

You're funny.

[A]

And that's.

[B]

You've really packed a wallet. But wait, you're about to say. Wait, you're about to say something else. No, it's not.

[A]

There was one that I realized, I think.

[B]

But I have another question, though, about the dog. If you're gonna move off from the dog, I have another question about the dog. So wait, the guy that sent you this thing, Peter Chadsky, who is running.

[A]

For Congress, by the way, and I'm voting for him just based on that.

[B]

Okay. Did you hear that? Peter Chadsky. But you'd never met him.

[A]

Never met him. I think he saw on Facebook. And then it took me about. It took me like six months before I could even say that she'd passed away. I couldn't even talk about it. And then once he heard about it, he had that kind of heart.

[B]

Okay, gotcha.

[A]

It's also why I'm going to vote for him, because I think we need more of that.

[C]

Right, Good point.

[A]

A guy who'd literally go, somebody who has a heart. There's nothing in this for me.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's not a cheap book. I looked it up. It's a rare book. And he didn't send me like I send people the PDF if I hear their dog died, I send them the PDF because I think it's. But he sent me the book, you.

[B]

Know, and what's it called again? Or you don't.

[A]

I can send you the exact title, but it's. It's the Last Will and Testament of a Truly Miraculous Dog or something like that.

[B]

Wow. Wow. It sounds.

[A]

It's almost as if the dog is bragging about it.

[B]

Yeah, that's.

[C]

That's amazing. But also the timing of it, let's face it though, is a little woo woo. Because it happened when you were about to start wailing in tears. Literally.

[A]

Literally.

[C]

So time that came through right at that time, right?

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Wow.

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[C]

Don't chew on that, Max.

[A]

Cooper loves that chew too.

[C]

Oh, now he's into Cooper's food. Wow, he is loving it. What do you feed Cooper?

[A]

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[C]

Looks like we're switching to blue.

[B]

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[A]

I want to. And I was like, I don't. I didn't know how to. I didn't know how to phrase that because I know there's a pendulum question coming.

[C]

Yes, exactly. I was going to say save it for the pen.

[B]

Okay, Save it for the penny. But is your intention to get another do?

[A]

My intention is to get another dog. And I know that I have to set aside what is only human nature, which is you can't replace what you have.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It will never be the. It can't be the same. But you have to open yourself up to fall in love again.

[C]

Yes, yes.

[A]

And you know, it's like, it's like, it's that way with humans too, but with this. It was so pure. And I know that, you know, I met plenty of people said, I'm never going to go through that again. It was too much. And I understand it. But I was a. I look back at who I was during those 14 years and I was the best that I had ever been as a, as a person. I was, you know, when, when I had to, you know, just. There's no, there's no giving in because you feel sad or depressed or you, whatever, you gotta take the dog out.

[C]

Or the dog is right.

[A]

And when she got sick, I was doing a play at the time and God, the only hospital that would take her during these hours was so ridiculously expensive. It's like literally like every day I'd be like, that's a month's rent right there. Yeah, that was ridiculous. And I was like, I would have paid three times this. I would have paid, you know, when you. That kind of love.

[C]

Right. And you also had that healing time. You know, it's not awkward. Like my neighbor, when his dog Schultz died. I hate that name. Schultz, Schultz.

[A]

I'm just laughing at the dog dying.

[C]

He got another dog? Yeah, he got another dog like two weeks later, the same dog. It was Doberman and he named it Schultz.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

And I just felt that was like a little weird. Like you're not dealing.

[A]

There's a story that I heard that I find really creepy because. Yeah, you'd think. Cause I did. I do remember thinking, why did I have her fixed? I could have had a whole family of her. But I did it. Cause Bob Barker told me I had to get her fixed.

[C]

Oh, Bob Barker.

[B]

What kind of dog was she?

[A]

She was a mix. Kind of rhod. I'll show you a picture. But kind of. She looked like a miniature Rhodesian, a mini roadie.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

Just making that up.

[B]

Miniature Rhodesian. Because Rhodesians are huge, right?

[A]

Rhodesians are like horses and they're like Hamlet dogs. They're always. If you go to the park, they're the ones in the corner going, I don't. Cuz. But. But she wasn't like that. She was a. She was a cheerful dog. And, and. And I would have these experiences all the time. Somebody crossed the street to pet her. This would happen all the time. You're the mayor of whatever street you're on if you've got a cute dog. But some guy crossed the street and said, is your dog kind of red, orange? And I said, kind of. I'm colorblind. And she's glowing.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

Okay. That's.

[B]

Woo.

[C]

Woo.

[A]

Yeah. Woo.

[B]

Woo.

[A]

Woo. Yeah. Yeah. No, she was very. She was very special. And the idea that, you know, I sometimes say, just lead me to the right great dog, you know, because I. I miss you. That's all. And I'm putting my faith in that.

[B]

I'd like to think this podcast episode is going to lead you to the dog. We talk about dogs a lot on here.

[A]

Can I just say, anybody out here who's listening to this and going through the same thing, I totally get it. And my wish is that this podcast leads them to that when they're ready for it.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

We could get so many dogs adopted just from this episode.

[A]

Right?

[C]

I love it.

[B]

Whether or not you decide right now.

[A]

But anyways, it's like, I got to get back to you. Yeah. I have to wait till after this thing after I'm back from Chicago, which won't be too long. And then.

[C]

But your heart is open right now.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Right. So.

[B]

Well, I got ruffles from Muddy Paws. Shout out. Shout out to Muddy Paws.

[A]

Is that in New York?

[B]

Yeah, it's in New York. And they have adoption events every week pretty much in the Union Square area and beyond. I love it.

[C]

I need a dog myself.

[B]

But what else was I going to ask about? The. Okay, so. Oh, I was going to ask you a left field question and then we can get to the Pengie. But I was going ask you if you've ever done anything like going to psychic or hatting or reading or anything like that or have you. Have you never? No. We find some very hit or miss. So we're not necessarily like I've been.

[A]

Tempted to do it, but usually in periods where I was in a lot of pain and I thought, right, I someone in a storefront right now who just wants gonna tell me something for five bucks. Like I got afraid of it. I've had people. I'm trying to think. I know I've had an experience where? Oh, I went to Sedona.

[B]

Oh, okay, okay. Have you been to Sedona?

[C]

No, I haven't.

[B]

But we have so many field trips. I have not.

[A]

Well, what I was told was when the first time you go to Sedona, you're called there. It doesn't matter. You could literally decide to go. That's the time that you're supposed to. That's supposed to be your first time. And it's a blessed time. But I was also told this by someone who was in a steam room and who said, have you seen the craft in the clouds?

[B]

Have you seen the what craft?

[A]

The aircraft, the spaceships.

[B]

Okay, okay. Lately on the show we've had quite a few episodes talking about the self care aspect of woo Woo. Well, if you don't want to rub crystals on your face or drink moon water, I don't know. Are those things? I'm not even sure. But anyway, all I do know is an easy self care move is to invest in you with a blissy silk pillowcase. I use them now and not only do they feel luxurious, they somehow miraculously stay cool because silk is naturally breathable. And not only that, silk fibers are naturally hydrating, so they keep skin moisturized all night. I know it sounds crazy, but that's not woo woo talk. Dermatologists actually recommend silk pillowcases. Also. Wait, what's this? They're good for your hair too. And you know what? I got a little extra boost on this fact because the other day I was going to a fancy event like I do sometimes and my hairstylist was telling me, well, if you want your hair to last into the next day, sleep on a silk pillowcase. And I said, what? Wait a minute, I have one. I have a Blissey silk pillowcase. I mean, these are the important things, right, people? Anyway, I swear, I do sleep better on the Blissey silk pillowcase. It stays cool, like I said, and makes me feel like I'm doing something, anything for myself. Am I right, ladies? Come on, you deserve this. Oh, also, P.S. they're machine washable and come in over 99 colors, including a new Wicked and Harry Potter line. Also, Blissey's pillowcases are made to pair with the new Blissey adjustable pillow. The pillow comes in classic and crescent shape. It's made with memory foam. Filling contours to the body, improves posture and relieves joint pain. And because you're a listener, Blissey is offering 60 nights risk free, plus an additional 30% off when you [e-mail] Woopod that's B L-I-S-S-Y.com Woopod and use code WOOPOD to get an additional 30% off. Your skin and hair will thank you. Experience a membership that backs what you're building with American Express Business platinum. Unlock over $3,500 in business and travel value annually with statement credits on select purchases from brands like Dell, Hilton and Adobe and other benefits. American Express Business Platinum. There's nothing like it. Based on total potential value of statement credits on select purchases and other benefits, enrollments required monthly and other limits and terms apply. Learn [e-mail] Business Platinum okay, so we're in Sedona.

[A]

I'm in Sedona and I decide I don't want to do all the Red Rock tours. I don't want to go.

[B]

You're gonna want to do something I want to do.

[A]

I want to. Yeah, I want to speak to a channeler. Because I've never done that.

[B]

I've done that. Go ahead.

[A]

Right. And I thought. And I. I thought, I'm open to anything, but probably not. Yeah, but I'm open to anything.

[B]

Did Richard kind just come out of you for a second?

[C]

He did.

[A]

Sometimes he comes out, say, probably not Richard Kine. Probably not.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Okay. So. So it's. It was just a little one bedroom apartment. This guy, his name is Robert Shapiro. And what I learned was he's quite renowned. Not the guy who defended O.J.

[C]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

Another Robert Shapiro. And he was fairly renowned.

[B]

He's renowned.

[A]

Okay, well, he's got books out. Do you remember that there was that bookstore on Melrose that had all the crystals and all The New Age stuff. I can't remember the name of the book, but he had, like. There was a section of him.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

But he had this little place in Sedona. And so I paid my 40 or whatever. He said, okay, so I'm going to have two bottles of Evian. I'm going to drink them both during the hour. I'm going to heat up and turn red. Don't get afraid. I said, I'm already afraid. We're past afraid. You know, terrified. Yeah. No, I was just like, whatever. The show. I was like, this is a medicine show. Whatever. He said, okay, just give me a minute. And he kind of closed his eyes. He turned beet red, and he started drinking the water. And he did by the end of the hour. And he spoke to me in a voice that sounded like this.

[B]

No, thank you.

[C]

No, thank you. But Kendra did stuff like that.

[B]

Kendra didn't talk in a scary.

[C]

No, not in a scary voice.

[B]

Okay. Yeah, do the voice again.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I said. He said, my name is Zosh. And I'm like, all right.

[B]

It always starts with a Z. I was like, yeah.

[A]

I was like, 45 bucks. What else? What I could have. What was I gonna buy? Like a bag, you know, 45 bucks. This is fine. I get social. He goes, and I'm a he, he. Now I'm just some guy. And I was careful not to say anything that would indicate even a sense of humor or a point of view.

[C]

Right, Exactly. To lead.

[A]

I am. I. I'm in. What was it? And I. I'm a spirit that has never inhabited human form. But I'm naturally attracted to artistic sensibilities. And in truth, I've always felt like I'm an actor. But I've always felt more like a writer who happens to act like that's where things took off, and I'm just too lazy to be an actual writer. Yeah, but that's what I feel. And he goes, you're a poet. I said, well, that's a waste of $45. Cause it was like a monitor. But the more he started talking to me, he said, do you want to ask me any questions? I said, can you tell me about a past life? He goes, I can't. He said, 700 years ago, you were a fisherman in Greece. You used to get up in the bistros and read your poetry to the other fishermen, and they would laugh at you. So you. You. As you got older, you would go out and you would read your poems to the fishes. To the fish. And I said, I was the fisherman poet. He goes, you were the fisherman poet. And I said, well, why is that significant? He said, karma is like a big record album. He came back and became Caucasian, you know, and he said, karma is like a record album. It goes around so that if you don't solve something in one life, it's going to come around again in the next life. And I've never forgotten that. And I realized, and I have written, but it's like memorization. It's like anything else. And it is very much hooked up to that add thing of like. It's pure discipline. And anytime I've ever spoken to a writer and said, what's the secret? They said, I could tell you a lot of things. But any writer who tells you it's anything other than how much pain you can take, they're lying to you. Most of it is how much pain you can take. And talent is involved and all that stuff is important, but the writers who make it are. And the writers who can take that agony of, you know, I think as actors, we do that when we memorize lines, even though that's not what we want to be doing. It's another form of that. And years later, I was just. I was in Malta, of all places. I was filming something, and the day I left, I hadn't thought of this for years. This was maybe 20 years later. I was in Malta, just finished shooting this thing, and I look out my hotel room window, just one last look at the Mediterranean, which I'd never seen before. And I didn't have one day off. It was all work. I didn't get to look at anything historic. I just felt like I was in a hotel. And I looked out, and it was the only time I ever saw anything on the water was one guy in a sailboat, and he was sailing right below my window. And I was like, I just want. Fisherman, poet. For some reason, that was the connection I made. And I went to take a picture. I'm not taking a picture of it. It felt sacred. So it wasn't so much like getting a reading done. Suppose. But that resonated with me. And every time I think, you know, writing is hard. I think, yeah, it's. And I can get up and I can read to the fishes, or I can actually get it done.

[C]

I have a question. Can you fish? I'm sorry?

[B]

I have a question.

[A]

Well, let's see how I do after we're done.

[B]

Ladies, I have a question. Were there really bistros 700 years ago?

[A]

Bistros, I think bistro is probably the wrong word.

[C]

That sounds a little. Yeah.

[A]

What would you call it? What would you call it? A little hole in a cafe? I don't. Oh, no.

[C]

But we're in.

[B]

We're in Greece.

[A]

Ancient Greece. So what would it be?

[C]

I'm Greek. I'm Greek. A little cafe.

[B]

Okay. Sorry, I was just really hung on the word bistros.

[A]

All right. And I'll discuss this moment with my therapist.

[B]

So wait, so the fisherman poet. So when you. When you're. Have. Yes. Have you like, tried to write by the ocean?

[A]

Okay, I write it down. I'm one of those guys. I get an idea, I write it down, and then I call owner. Right.

[C]

And then owner writes and owner spins a whole. He spins it into one of his films.

[A]

I did actually learn how to co write with. He was the person. Because I did try to co write with people.

[C]

Oh, I did. Yes.

[A]

I didn't realize. Oh. All I'm trying to do is control the situation and do less work, you know? And then it was. I learned, no, give someone, like owner, give him the idea. If it resonates, let him take the first draft. Cause he really knows that's his wheelhouse. And then work on it. I think that's it. It's more of a collaborative, you know.

[C]

What I want you to do and what your homework is. First of all, if we've learned to answer anything on this show is that you have blazing add. Okay, let's just start with that. No, and I love you for it because I think it's a form of being creative. But I think maybe at some point in time it would be really cool if you did get on a boat, grab a notepad and read to the fish, see what fishes I dropped and like get out there, you know what I mean? And see what comes to you.

[A]

Yeah, I'm open to all of that.

[B]

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[A]

Go ahead.

[B]

Did anything else come out of that reading? Like, yeah, because you said does he. Does he channel a different soul for everyone? Because you said I'm drawn to artistic people. Was that like a certain. Was. Was Zosh Is Zosh his go to or was.

[A]

I think I had said because I looked through. I was like, he writes books. I was like, and I think Zoe should. I think Zosh appears in some of these.

[B]

Okay. I don't know. I don't know if he always channels Zosh. Like the person I went to always channels Kendra.

[C]

Oh, please. I know I've had Kendra, but I.

[B]

Don'T know if your guy.

[A]

And did you find. Was it helpful? Is it a helpful. Was it an ongoing thing or was it.

[B]

No, it was a. Well, it was a one or two time thing. But she did predict a lot of stuff that came true. So that was. That's my one. That's my one like channel.

[C]

But she was accurate.

[B]

I went one time. Yeah, she predicted I was gonna have a kid.

[A]

Really?

[B]

43. I was. I was 43. I wasn't asking. She just said, you're gonna meet someone in four months and have one child.

[C]

That was stunning. I thought that was stunning.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Isn't that weird? I know. I see that in my very. The very first episode of Woo Woo, the Kevin Coon episode. Episode one. For you who want to. That one.

[C]

Yes. And I love that story. And she was dead. I mean, just spot on accurate with you.

[B]

But then I and Irene had a little less.

[C]

I didn't really have that same powerful, you know, accuracy in my reading. I'm very suspicious, though. You know what I mean? I like to scrutinize a lot. Like, I was online. It was just the beginning of being online with Rachel. There was. I mean, literally, it came to pass she had a child. It was unexpected, you know, and she had a kid. So, yes, her reading was accurate for me. I didn't feel like she. I was always a little suspicious. Maybe if I opened up. You have to be a little open, too. And I feel like maybe I was a little closed off with Kendra.

[B]

I don't know.

[C]

Yeah, maybe.

[B]

Well, I don't have any. No further questions. The. The defense rests. No. Do you have. No. Do you have. Should we do the panji?

[C]

I think we need to find out.

[B]

Unless we let you get a dog.

[C]

Okay. You're not gonna ask if, like, if you're gonna, you know, win a Tony or like, don't ask anything career where you're always nervous about, like.

[B]

Yeah, some people have asked. Yes, they're going to win an award.

[A]

I'm going to ask if Rachel's going to win a.

[B]

Okay. I think I asked if I would ever be nominated again. It said I. It said I would be, but it said I'm not going to win. Yes. Sorry, I didn't mean to do this.

[A]

No, no, no. But that's fantastic.

[B]

I asked if I'd ever be nominated. It said I would, but it said I would not win. Okay. Anyway, wait. So you think of your question, yes or no.

[A]

Okay. Okay, let me go and put that.

[B]

And then you're going to reveal it afterwards. So you have to be willing to reveal it.

[A]

So the dog thing is in my mind, but I'm open to other questions.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Oh, I know. You know what?

[C]

You're gonna get a dog. It says yes to the dog. You're definitely.

[A]

The next one. A bonus question.

[B]

Yeah, the next one's a bonus.

[C]

Okay. The bonus.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Oh, that's terrific.

[B]

Okay. Look, he's focusing hard. Okay, go, Irene. Okay, he's getting a no. What? What was this question?

[A]

Look, is Rachel gonna want to. Tony.

[B]

Oh, okay. Well, that's okay because I, I, I know I'm not.

[C]

Not the pension.

[A]

How do you know you're not. Did you already ask once?

[B]

I asked if I was ever going to win, it said no, and I was cool with that.

[A]

That's a bogus question. I've got a. I asked a used question.

[C]

But then you didn't see that happen. You both got the same. She's gonna be nominated.

[B]

Winning the toady and I haven't.

[A]

But you've written in a book. You've written a book, right?

[B]

I did, yeah.

[C]

Very funny. And it's actually a lover book.

[B]

The channeler thing is all in there. That's all in it. It's about my surprise.

[A]

Look forward to that. I love her, but to sit. But that's you. Because you were nodding when I was saying the thing about writing.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You are a writer.

[B]

Well, I, Okay, I did manage to write that book, but I was in like a creative burst. Like, for me to sit down and write is, it's very daunting. Like every writer. You know what I mean? For some reason, because I think I had a thing to say. I've tried to sit down for other ones, but you are an author.

[C]

Stalling.

[B]

But I don't have that. Same, like, here's my story. So then I just hit.

[A]

Have you ever. A friend of mine told me about this thing, he just calls it mobile mind, which is like, you don't have to sit at a desk and write. You can walk around and write. That's where most of your ideas come from. And when you do that, you're using a different part of your brain.

[B]

That's a good point. Like, I get better ideas when I'm just like, first wake up or whatever.

[A]

Sitting there going, yeah, that's true. Study Carol. Yeah.

[C]

Basically, when you're.

[B]

That's a good old term, too.

[A]

I also. Just before you close.

[C]

Yeah, you can cut this out. Oh, I'm sorry.

[B]

No. What were you going to say?

[A]

I was just going to say this because I, I want to, because I, when somebody, like, there have been moments certainly in my life where they're bad and so. And I'm so thankful for something like YouTube. And I'm so thankful, like there I have my. Go to comics, you know, who can, even if it's 10%, lift me. And one of the absolute lift me has always been the Debbie Downer but in particular, the one where you guys totally give in to it's magic. I don't know what. I'd love to know what that was like in the moment if it felt like the exact opposite. But it was an. I mean, and I'm not the. It's like a commonly held thing that. That is such a joyous moment.

[B]

You. I know. No, people have said that because of all the laughing and everything. And at the time it was joyous even though we were like, that's good. Yeah. Even though we weren't like, I. You try not to laugh on the show, but that moment, it was just so out of control. And so like, that was my. Probably my favorite moment on the show. Even though.

[A]

Is that right?

[B]

Yeah. Just because it was like people always like, is the show really live? Like, I like when things would happen that are just like, cruise is live and the train's leaving the station. So it makes me laugh too. Especially because I was trying so hard not to laugh. You know, like, that's.

[A]

Of course. That's what every. That's what everybody. That was just like a happy fever that everybody got. But.

[B]

But thank you, though. Thank you.

[A]

But I really love that. And it is something. That's one of those go to little pills you can take to make you feel better. Yeah. And the character itself, I think is.

[C]

The joy that you have given through that character.

[B]

Thank you, everybody.

[C]

Sweetie.

[B]

And for my Tony, I'd like to thank Craig and Irene who got me to the. This non Tony award. Thank you.

[C]

Okay, I'm going to guess and I'm going to say you're a Leo.

[B]

That's what I was going to say.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Look back.

[B]

We nailed it. We nailed it.

[A]

Do you never get them?

[B]

No, we never. No, we. You should have seen our last episode. You really good.

[A]

Can I tell you something?

[B]

He's lying.

[A]

I'm totally lying. No, I'm. I'm not lying.

[B]

You're so. Happiness.

[A]

Two versions of happiness.

[B]

Wait a minute.

[A]

Two person happy. No, I'm not lying. I'm a Leo. No. August 18th. August 18th.

[B]

Literally.

[C]

We never get it.

[B]

We never get it. And especially both of us. I really never get it. I can't believe that's funny. I just got the gift, my friend. I just got a vibe. I was like, Leo.

[C]

Yeah, Leo. Me too.

[B]

Wait, Irene. This is a banner moment.

[C]

This is really.

[A]

That's fantastic. Congratulations.

[C]

We both guessed the right thing together. We never do this. You should see our Cynthia Rawley.

[B]

My part is rich. We're horrifying. Cynthia Raleigh. We got eight Wrong. We're gonna wrap this up now.

[C]

With love.

[B]

With love. And we're gonna not. We're gonna. Okay, we both got Leo. We got Leo. Let me turn this off. Greg, thank you so much for joining us.

[C]

You're the best.

[B]

Right away. The music man with the music man patter. I was already, you know, we were in 100, 100%.

[A]

Call me anytime, I'll sing it to you.

[B]

Okay? Okay.

[A]

Because you've given me so much. Anytime you need that, you give me a call and I'll sing that to you. And I won't do that for just anybody, but. Because.

[B]

Amazing.

[A]

Quid. Quid. Is it? Quid pro quo.

[C]

Quid pro. Yeah.

[A]

I'm telling you, there have been a number of times I've gone to that just because I've needed that, you know, the Debbie Downer thing. So quid pro quo. Anytime you need it.

[B]

Thank you. All right. Thank you so much, Craig.

[A]

My pleasure. Thank you for having me here.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

And you can find me on Instagram at that's R A E Dratch. And you can find Irene at Irenebremis. That's B R E M I S Bremis. And thanks for listening. Thanks for joining me on this journey into the world of woo woo. Don't forget to rate, review and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Woo Woo with Rachel Dratch is a Q Code production executive produced by David Henry Henning and Steve Wilson. Produced by Alexa Gabriel Ramirez Edited by Will Tendi Limu Cable.

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