Cynthia Rowley: The Woman in the Gray Veil

Summary

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Woo Woo with Rachel Dratch

Episode: Cynthia Rowley: The Woman in the Gray Veil

Host: Rachel Dratch
Guests: Cynthia Rowley (fashion designer), Irene Bremis (co-host)
Release Date: September 3, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this episode of "Woo Woo with Rachel Dratch," Rachel and co-host Irene Bremis welcome renowned fashion designer Cynthia Rowley for a lively, eerie, and genuinely compelling conversation about real-life ghost stories, psychic moments, and intuition. Cynthia shares her extraordinary haunted house experience involving the infamous "Woman in the Gray Veil," brush-ins with spirits in Marfa, Texas, séances gone awry, and her beliefs about intuition and the power of being open to “woo woo” possibilities. The episode glides between true-life chills, laughter, and heartfelt moments about love, loss, and serendipity.

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Key Discussion Points

Cynthia Rowley: Creativity & "Witchy" Reputation

[03:32]

• Cynthia admits friends and colleagues call her "the witch" because of frequent psychic phenomena in her life.
  • “People at work and friends of mine do call me the witch. Only because I have a lot of psychic phenomenon occasions that happen to me and really sometimes really kind of freaky.” (Cynthia Rowley, 03:32)
• Discusses growing up in a small town, relying on her imagination, openness, and visualization as formative traits for both creativity and “woo woo” experiences.

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The Haunted House & The Woman in the Gray Veil

Cynthia’s Ghost Story

[05:28 – 17:22]

• Cynthia describes moving to an old house in upstate New York built by “the heiress to the diamond match fortune,” a woman badly burned and disfigured in a factory fire, who subsequently lived in seclusion.
• During the first few weeks, Cynthia experiences a terrifying fire:
  • “I light the candle. I watch the flame jump straight across up to the wreath. The wreath goes into a giant, like, ring of fire.” (Cynthia Rowley, 08:28)
• The fire department is matter-of-fact:
  • "Well, we're not surprised about this because this house was built by the heiress to the diamond match fortune..." (Cynthia relaying fireman’s words, 10:51)
• Strange occurrences escalate: lights popping, unexplained touches, both she and her husband seemingly seeing a “woman in a gray veil.”
  • “I would walk down that hall, and I would feel something, like, brush my arm, like I was passing someone.” (Cynthia Rowley, 13:23)
• Confirms ghostly activity with the fire department, who recall the woman was never seen without her veil.
  • “The only time we ever got a glimpse of her, she had a gray veil on...” (Fire department story relayed by Cynthia, 16:01)
• Story corroborated by a letter from the woman’s real-life niece after Cynthia recounted it on TV.

Memorable Quotes

• “That’s 100% true story. And I actually told this story on the Biography Channel. Ghost Stories. And I got a letter from this woman’s niece… So it’s real and she still lives there.” (Cynthia Rowley, 16:51)

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Other Paranormal Experiences

Ghosts in Marfa, Texas

[27:39 – 31:00]

• In Marfa, Cynthia visits a historic museum house, encounters unexplained banging, and is told by the staff, “oh, that’s our ghost.”
• Introduces the idea of ghosts attaching themselves to objects, particularly antique beds brought from Europe.

Tabletop Séance Gone Wrong

[22:13 – 24:29]

• Cynthia recounts participating in a DIY Ouija-style séance:
  • Correct, personal answers from the glass, then it flies across the room after provoking the spirit.
  • “The glass goes flying across the table and smashes into the wall. We gathered up all the letters and numbers and like ran out of the house and left.” (Cynthia Rowley, 24:00)

Notable Quotes

• “Apparently ghosts can travel in furniture. Yes, yes. Especially beds. And so I guess this woman kept experiencing this, like, feeling that someone was on top of her in her bed. And I was kind of like, could I get one of those beds? Because it's been a while for me.” (Cynthia Rowley, 30:02)

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Intuition, Psychic Phenomena, and Signs

[34:29 – 39:41]

• Cynthia describes herself as “extra intuitive” and discusses her belief in signs, especially after the loss of her first husband.
  • “I made a pact. I said, I'm going to live my life for both of us. And he said, I'm going to watch out for you. And I feel like I have a guardian angel.” (Cynthia Rowley, 35:13)
• The significance of a red cardinal frequently visiting her backyard is discussed as a possible sign from her late husband, matched by her mother's research on the symbolism.
• Rachel and Irene discuss the philosophy that being open to signs attracts more positivity, and that “looking for what’s right” shifts perspective.

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Astrology Guessing Game

[39:46 – 41:54]

• Irene and Rachel attempt to guess Cynthia’s zodiac sign, cycling humorously through nearly the entire zodiac before she reveals she's a Leo.

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Closing Ritual: The Pendulum

[42:39 – 44:56]

• Rachel and Irene perform their show-closing “pendulum reading,” with Cynthia playfully testing the pendulum’s accuracy with questions she knows the answers to.
• Cynthia avoids answering a final, more personal question, escaping when Rachel’s dog disrupts the session.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “The first one was about being honored. Okay, well, you are going to be on my industry.” (Cynthia Rowley, 44:44)
• “I think if you see a ton of ghosts, that kind of wrecks your credibility a little. So the one ghost per customer is probably good.” (Rachel Dratch, 27:13)
• “I'm a pathological optimist, I would say.” (Cynthia Rowley, 39:41)

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Timestamps for Main Segments

• 03:32 – Cynthia’s early life, reputation for intuition
• 05:28 – 17:22 – Haunted house story: The woman in the gray veil
• 22:13 – 24:29 – Tabletop séance with flying glass
• 27:39 – 31:00 – Ghostly encounter in Marfa, Texas and haunted furniture
• 34:29 – 39:41 – Intuitive moments, guardian angel stories, sign from red cardinal
• 39:46 – 41:54 – The great Leo reveal: astrological guessing game
• 42:39 – 44:56 – The pendulum reading (show finale, playful closure)

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Tone and Style

• Light, conversational, witty, and self-deprecating, even during the scariest stories.
• Genuine curiosity blended with humor as befits both Rachel Dratch and Cynthia Rowley’s personalities.
• Includes heartfelt reflections on love, loss, resilience, and gratitude, as well as zippy comic banter and playful skepticism about psychic phenomena.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

If you’re interested in chilling yet charming tales of the unexplained, amusing failed astrology, or want to hear one of fashion’s most creative minds recount her brush with a legendary ghost, this episode is for you. Cynthia Rowley is candid, funny, and offers just the right mix of spooky and sweet. The interview not only entertains but also explores the power of staying open—to the uncanny, to intuition, and to life’s wondrous unpredictabilities.

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Transcript

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[Rachel Dratch]

Welcome to Woo Woo with Rachel Dratch, the podcast that.

[Alexa Gabriel Ramirez]

Explores the unexplained with humor and curiosity.

[Rachel Dratch]

Hello and welcome to Woo Woo with Rachel Dratch, here with my pal and co host, Irene Bremis. Hi, Irene.

[Irene Bremis]

Hello, sweetie.

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Hi.

[Rachel Dratch]

Well, Irene, today we have somebody big in the fashion world, a renowned New Yorker and beyond. But I've run into her at various events over the years and she had the misfortune of bumping into me at an art opening. Oh, it was Lisa Juskovich who was a previous guest actually. Oh, see, Lisa. Oh, we were the. Please welcome Cynthia Rowley. Hi, Cynthia.

[Alexa Gabriel Ramirez]

Hi. Hi.

[Cynthia Rowley]

What's up, witches?

[Irene Bremis]

Hello.

[Rachel Dratch]

Yes, we bumped into at the Lisa Escovich opening because we.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Who I love. I love her. Me too. I love everything about her. I love her personality. I obviously love her work, but I just. She's funny and smart and irreverent and she's the best. And she makes a fucking mean ass hot sauce. Oh, Secrets. Which I've traded various items of clothing.

[Alexa Gabriel Ramirez]

Oh, wow.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Just for a small bottle.

[Rachel Dratch]

All right, well, good to know. Hit her up next time. Well, Cynthia, you are a designer extraordinaire and also I was looking at your dossier or as I like to call it, Wikipedia, but also. Cause I don't know from fashion, but what I saw was.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Or in my case, witchipedia.

[Rachel Dratch]

Witchipedia.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Witchipedia. We're just going with the theme.

[Rachel Dratch]

Go with the theme.

[Alexa Gabriel Ramirez]

That we are.

[Rachel Dratch]

Yeah, but I saw that you started in art school as an artist and veered into fashion and. And now you're huge name in fashion as you have been for years and years. And I run into at various New York events here and there. And that's how we've.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Fabulous.

[Rachel Dratch]

We've known each other, we've Met a little bit. Yes, exactly. And I don't know how woo woo you are or how you adhere to any of the woo woo arts or whatever. But I don't know if you want to talk about your artistic beginnings and that's been influenced your creativity by any sort of woo woo imagination type topics or how you want to kick it off. But where do you want to start?

[Cynthia Rowley]

Yes, well, just keeping with the theme. People at work and friends of mine do call me the witch. Only because I have a lot of psychic phenomenon occasions that happen to me and really sometimes really kind of freaky. But that's almost like another story.

[Rachel Dratch]

Okay.

[Cynthia Rowley]

I grew up in a small town and there wasn't anything to do. So you know, the most exciting place to hang out was my imagination. So, you know, I grew up being very like open minded and fertile creativity and that whole thing and visualization. And now I'm sounding really woo woo like this. This is way more woo woo than I usually speak. But no, I grew up like, you know, like trying to imagine, you know, things and with a lot of curiosity. And so I think I've always been kind of open to, you know, if there are other realms out there in the world. I've always been like, don't they say you're. You're like you have to be sort of a receptor or something or you have to be open to it and then you receive it in. And not only, you know, do I have these like premonitions, I guess you could call them or like psychic, I guess. People's birthdays occasionally. That's about as far as I go.

[Rachel Dratch]

In that Irene likes to guess signs. Irene.

[Irene Bremis]

Oh, we're going to put you to the test.

[Rachel Dratch]

I have to guess for you. Yeah, but, but go on, go on.

[Cynthia Rowley]

I feel like. I feel like the witchypedia might have blown that. Yes.

[Rachel Dratch]

But Irene didn't look. Only I. And I don't even remember. But Irene didn't look. So anyway, that's for later. That's for later.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Okay. This is really kind of my. This is my ghost story. This is my haunted house ghost story. And this is real as shit. I thought that it would be a good idea with my new husband. This is many years ago, husband number two. I thought it would be a good idea to move out of the city, which was the most absurd idea I've ever had. That I could work 10 hours a day and then get on a train and go upstate New York. It was insane. But I sort of got talked into it because he wanted to live Outside the city, and. And we went to go look at houses, and we found this amazing, beautiful, amazing house. And I was like, okay, this is kind of too good to pass up. Let's buy it. So we buy this house. It's 17 acres, and there's two houses on it. There's a small farmhouse, which was, like, the original house, and then this sort of 1920s Tudor that was built, you know, much later. And going in the house, it was perfect because we were just the two of us, no kids or anything, and going in the house, it was gorgeous and, like, grand, but it was very small. I think it was two or three bedrooms. Three bedrooms. But it had this giant great room with, like, wood paneling. And when. Actually, when we went to go see it, it had, like, a bunch of taxidermy, like, African wild game and tusks around this gigantic car, beautiful fireplace. And it just, like, had such a, like, elegant, old world, old kind of money vibe. But it was small, so it was not, like, super outrageously expensive and kind of perfect for just two people. And there were paths all around these 17 acres. So we were like, this is amazing, you know, and so we got it. We moved in. We're in the house, I would say about three weeks. And now it's like, a week before Christmas, I think. So I'm like, I want to get this giant wreath to hang over this gigantic fireplace in this beautiful great room. So I get a big wreath, hang it. Friends are coming over. I have two candles, you know, on the fireplace, but far on either end of the wreath, and they're coming over, and they're like, okay, we're almost there. So I get some matches, and I light the candle, which is about, I would say, at least two feet. I would say about two feet away from the edge of the wreath. I light the candle. I watch the flame jump straight across up to the wreath. The wreath goes into a giant, like, ring of fire. Like, just goes up, like, into a giant ring of fire. I am, like, screaming for my husband, like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. And it just goes up, and the room starts filling with smoke. The wall is on fire. Now. I open a side door, and we, like, get it off the wall and try to roll it, but, like, it's burning through the living room, burning everything along the way out the door and, like, into the snow.

[Rachel Dratch]

Oh, my God.

[Cynthia Rowley]

In the meantime, the whole house, the. This room was filled with smoke. Like, I had to do the crawl on the ground, you know, below the smoke. Like, you have, like, a foot of clear ish air to crawl out like army crawl out. Get out of there. Run out, run out of the house. Call the fire department. Everything. Like the walls on fire. The attic now is on fire. What curtain's on fire? The fire department comes and they're like, you know, they put it all out and then they're like, oh my God. Well, we're not surprised about this because this house was built by the heiress to the diamond match fortune.

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[Cynthia Rowley]

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[Cynthia Rowley]

So diamond matches, you know, the box matches with the diamond on it. The wood matches, yes. This house was built by the daughter who was badly burned and disfigured in a fire in her father's match factory as a teenager. So she would never be seen, you know, in public. And that's why there were all these paths around the property so that she could take walks and never be seen. So they were almost, like, you know, not even surprised that she would start this huge fire the second we moved in. And we were the third people to ever. She built it, and then this other guy lived there for something like 50 years or something. And then we bought it. And so now we're like, oh, my God, you know, is this gonna happen all the time? But we fix everything up. We had everything. Had to remove everything and rebuild and everything like that. But then things kept happening. So, like, I would turn on a light in the bedroom, and it would go, like, pop, poof. And the light would burn out and be, like, black, you know, like, short circuit. And then it started to get weirder. Like, there was a long hall from the living room to the bedroom, the main bedroom, and it was narrow. And I would walk down that hall, and I would feel something, like, brush my arm, like I was passing someone, and I would feel. Brush my arm. And so I would ask my husband, like, do you ever have this weird feeling like there's, like, there's someone else in the house? And, like, do you ever, you know, like, feel like someone touch you or something? And he's like, yeah, I kind of do. And then it went on, like, months and months. And I swear to God, I was like, I saw a woman dressed in a gray veil and a, like, gray dress. And I was like, I swear to God, I saw her. And he's like, I feel like I've been seeing a woman, too.

[Alexa Gabriel Ramirez]

Oh, my God.

[Cynthia Rowley]

So then we go to the fire department, and we go, like, can we just ask you about this woman that built this house? I said, did you ever see her? Did you know her, anything? He goes, yeah, well, when we were kids, we used to try to go trick or treating there so that we could see her, you know? And he goes, but the only time we ever got A glimpse of her. She had a gray veil on, put the house up for sale, moved out. And I don't know who lives there now, but that is 100% true story. And I actually told this story on the Biography channel. Ghost stories.

[Rachel Dratch]

Oh, like celebrity ghost stories.

[Cynthia Rowley]

And I got a letter from this woman's niece.

[Alexa Gabriel Ramirez]

No.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Who said, yeah, that was my aunt, so. And so. And yes, she was burned in a fire in the factory. And no, she never did marry. But that's. She lived in that house and we used to go visit her. So it's real and she still lives there.

[Irene Bremis]

And it makes sense that she would be wearing shrouded in a veil because she didn't want to be seen. This sounds like a classic ghost store, like, horror movie. This is insane.

[Rachel Dratch]

I'm stunned.

[Irene Bremis]

Me too. Stunned.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Yeah. Isn't that crazy?

[Rachel Dratch]

Oh, my God. That's such a good.

[Cynthia Rowley]

So that's story.

[Irene Bremis]

That's a whopper.

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[Rachel Dratch]

So wait, when you first saw her, like, where. Where did you see her? And did your husband see her at the same spot? Or, like, were you asleep?

[Cynthia Rowley]

Like, she was all always in this hallway, sort of like wandering back and forth, wandering, wandering back and forth, back and forth. But when I had a baby, I was like, we gotta get the fly out of here. I don't want some, like, burning, you know, situation. Yeah, I mean, it seemed things kept happening. Like the lights, like, plugs would short out and there'd be like a big black thing on the wall, you know, where it would short out. And, you know, you'd have a barbecue and like, the. As soon as you'd start the grill, there'd be like a flash of flames shooting up.

[Irene Bremis]

Wow.

[Rachel Dratch]

I think it's funny that the fire department was just like, oh, yeah, like that. They were kind of just whatever, like, almost not surprised or like she was keeping them busy. Yeah. I wonder if anything happened with the resident before you, the person in between.

[Cynthia Rowley]

I kind of wanted to find out, but I guess I could have pressed the fire chief more, but the guy I bought it from is this guy, Gino Churchiello, who used to own a restaurant called Gino's on the Upper east side that was, like, Italian old. Like, old New York. Like, 80s New York. Stylish, like, zebra wallpaper and stuff. Super cool guy. And he was like, 97 or something when I bought the house, so I think he wasn't around much longer.

[Irene Bremis]

I mean, first of all, there's so much corroboration with this story that, you know, this seems like an insipid question, but when you said that the candle jumped, like, the flame jumped where? No, I believe you.

[Cynthia Rowley]

I saw it. I saw it jump at an angle. Because also, my husband was like. We used to call him Mr. Safety because he was so careful about everything. Yeah. And, like, he'd always be like, oh, you know, watch that. Don't trip on that. You know, like, things like that. So he was like, make sure that candle is far away. Like, how did that flame go from there to there? Like, he thought I lit the wreath on fire. He was like. Cause you could see where the candle was, and you could see the wreath on fire. Like, no, somebody, like, carried that spark, that flame over to the wreath. Wow.

[Irene Bremis]

That's crazy. I don't even know what to say. This is. Sounds like Bram Stoker's Dracula. This sounds like a classic horror movie.

[Cynthia Rowley]

With a black ring outside in the snow. The wreath burned black in the snow. Just like, as a.

[Rachel Dratch]

It's like cinematic vibes. Did you get creepy vibes from her, or were you just, like. It was just creepy to know that you were seeing this thing. But did you get like. I guess the fact that she lit your new house on fire is kind of malicious. But, I mean, did you feel scared? Or was it just like, I'm not enjoying sharing my home with the veiled lady?

[Cynthia Rowley]

I mean, I always, like, I had friends we would go to visit in Pennsylvania, like, in the woods, and they would be like, it's seance night. And they would do the Ouija board. Ouija board. But not, like, the kind you buy. They would make letters in a table. I know this sounding really scary.

[Rachel Dratch]

That's more primitive horror movie stuff. Yeah, yeah, go on, go on.

[Cynthia Rowley]

And I was always. I mean, I would never do any of this on my own, but, like, if somebody's like, hey, this is. You want to try this cool thing? So one time, I think we did it twice, but the last time we had it all set up, and you turn a wine glass upside down. Have you ever seen this?

[Irene Bremis]

No, I've seen the wine. Oh, the. The glass turned up upside down. Yes.

[Cynthia Rowley]

And then. Yeah. As like, the Ouija board thing. And you. Everyone can only put. So say you have like six people you can only put one finger on. So there's no way you're pushing or pulling or anything. Right. And the letters and numbers are all around the table in a big circle.

[Alexa Gabriel Ramirez]

Oh, wow.

[Cynthia Rowley]

And so we're asking, somebody's like the leader. This one friend of mine who was very woo woo was the leader. And he was like, okay, ask a question. And you could ask a question. Like I asked a question about my grandfather who had recently passed. Passed away. And I was like, does he miss my grandmother? They were madly in love. Y, E, S. Yes. Then to test it, I said, you know, what are the first initials of your kids names? And it went in order of the three kids first initials. So we were like, this is really real. Then other people start asking and someone asked a question about the spirit that we were talking to. And I swear to God, the glass goes flying across the table and smashes into the wall. We gathered up all the letters and numbers and like ran out of the house and left. And we were like scared shitless and never went like, never did it again.

[Irene Bremis]

A classic movie scene again. Wow.

[Cynthia Rowley]

My friend was like, you can't upset the spirit. You know, I didn't do it, thank God.

[Rachel Dratch]

Right?

[Cynthia Rowley]

Wow. But that was before. So that was before.

[Rachel Dratch]

Okay.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Before the house. So I think I was like, oh, you know, I feel like there's good spirits and bad spirits and this probably, you know, maybe she's okay and let's give her a second chance and you know, maybe she won't like burn us up in an inferno in our house.

[Irene Bremis]

Wow.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Wow. But it was. Yeah, it was short lived. I have to say.

[Irene Bremis]

I was gonna ask, like, what about the tenants that are living in the house now? Have you ever had contact with them to see if they've had any unusual occurrences?

[Cynthia Rowley]

I don't even know who bought it. Like you do the, you know, the lawyers close the sale. So I don't even know who it was.

[Rachel Dratch]

Cause I feel like you kind of.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Want them to know that I sold them a haunted house.

[Rachel Dratch]

We had a real estate agent on here who talked about like selling a haunted house and the, the sort of like rules and all that. But it's. Yeah, I was like, if that were me, I would just be like, bye. Like.

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[Rachel Dratch]

So since then, though, no ghosts? No ghosts have crossed your path? I mean, I. I've only had one experience my whole life, so I think if you see a ton of ghosts, that kind of wrecks your credibility a little. So the one ghost per customer is probably good.

[Irene Bremis]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Yeah. One was a spirit, right? One was a ghost, I guess. Anna spirit. One time I was like, not so long ago, I was in Marfa, Texas.

[Rachel Dratch]

Oh, yeah, I've been there.

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Yeah.

[Cynthia Rowley]

And there's a historical, like a museum in the town that's an old house. And I knocked on the door and it was closed. It was locked. And I was like, I was like, I guess the museum's closed. And then I'm walking off the porch and this woman comes to the door and she's like, yes. And I was like, oh, I just thought I might come in and take a look at the, you know, history of Marfa. I've never been here before. I go in, there's nobody in the place. She's like, I see her in the front, you know, whatever. And I'm walking around in the rooms and I hear bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. And I was like, oh, that's weird. But I keep looking and go in another room and I hear bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. And then the woman comes in, and she goes, oh, that's our ghost. Sorry. And I was like, really? And it seemed really ghostly and kind of creepy in there anyway. And she said that this is just another story. You guys don't have to use three stories. Oh, we want three.

[Rachel Dratch]

We'll eat them up.

[Irene Bremis]

We eat them up.

[Cynthia Rowley]

This one. The women working there said that the house was built, like, in the early 1900s in Marfa, and the woman had come from Europe and wanted to have her bed brought from Europe, this special bed. And so they shipped her bed from, like, somewhere in Europe to New York to eventually to Marfa. It gets to Marfa, and they install it in the house. She's sleeping in the bed and, like, wakes up, and there's, like, somebody, like, pressing on her chest. And she's like, you know, wakes up, like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. Wait, this is not my ghost story, by the way. I'm just re. Yeah. I'm just recounting someone else's. But I did experience, like, the aftermath of this with the knocking. But apparently ghosts can travel in furniture. Yes, yes.

[Irene Bremis]

Haunted items. Absolutely.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Especially beds. And so I guess this woman kept experiencing this, like, feeling that someone was on top of her in her bed. And I was kind of like, could I get one of those beds? Because it's been a while for me.

[Rachel Dratch]

Don't get Irene started on that. Don't even get started of Irene's experience. But that's a whole other story. Anyway, continue. So.

[Cynthia Rowley]

So I guess that's it really is that.

[Rachel Dratch]

But she's still rattling around.

[Cynthia Rowley]

There's a ghost that she's rattling around this museum, and that the ghost came in the bed, so they had to dispose of the bed.

[Rachel Dratch]

So you heard the ghost knocking around in the museum? Knocking around the ghost that traveled in the bed. Yeah. Okay.

[Cynthia Rowley]

That traveled in the bed.

[Irene Bremis]

Wow. You know, there's a thing that, you know, these entities can attach themselves to objects, you know, and so that. That's frightful. But also, I guess it's. My mother always said to be careful when you go into a secondhand store or get, like, reuse things. Because she vehemently believed that entities or whatever spirits can attach themselves to certain objects, even clothing.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Beds especially.

[Irene Bremis]

Yes.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Even if it's, like, on the real real. Don't they do something for that?

[Rachel Dratch]

The real real?

[Maytag Laundry Advertiser]

I don't know.

[Rachel Dratch]

This is just a spinach. They fumigate for ghosts. For the real real.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Yeah.

[Irene Bremis]

This is just been.

[Rachel Dratch]

You know, this is Irene's Greek mom.

[Irene Bremis]

Yeah.

[Rachel Dratch]

Who has A lot of old school.

[Cynthia Rowley]

I feel like furniture for sure. I don't know about clothes, but only because, you know, I want to sell clothes.

[Rachel Dratch]

But Cynthia's clothes are all ghost free. No, Cynthia. Cynthia's clothes are all ghost free. Whether they're new or vintage, they're ghost free. We can guarantee that.

[Alexa Gabriel Ramirez]

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[Rachel Dratch]

How are you going to travel to.

[Alexa Gabriel Ramirez]

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[Rachel Dratch]

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[Rachel Dratch]

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[Rachel Dratch]

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[Rachel Dratch]

And then you said also that you had some like, sort of. Have you had like prophetic experiences or you said you have had some psychic things happen or you're just like extra intuitive?

[Cynthia Rowley]

I feel like I'm extra intuitive. Well, in a nice. This is probably why I wasn't so afraid of that ghost. Because I was married. My first husband, the love of my life, that we were friends for years before we got married. Then we had like three dates and we were like, let's get married. Why are we waiting? Madly in love. And he died after four years of U.S. being together.

[Alexa Gabriel Ramirez]

And.

[Cynthia Rowley]

And I made a pact. I said, I'm going to live my life for both of us. And he said, I'm going to watch out for you. And I feel like I have a guardian angel. And I feel like someone is watching over me and like literally taking care of when I'm really, you know, things could go either way. You know, I feel like somehow it goes the right way and I feel like he is sort of watching out for me.

[Irene Bremis]

Wow.

[Rachel Dratch]

So that's sweet.

[Cynthia Rowley]

That's beautiful. That's my good. Yeah, he's a good ghost. Sweet.

[Irene Bremis]

He's your guardian angel.

[Cynthia Rowley]

That's beautiful. He is my guardian angel. He is 100% my guardian angel.

[Rachel Dratch]

Do you believe in sort of like signs or that kind of thing? Or is it just more like a feeling that you have, like a connected feeling?

[Cynthia Rowley]

It's weird because yeah, I do have signs.

[Alexa Gabriel Ramirez]

Yeah.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Like I have this. This is the weirdest thing. I live in New York City. Yes. I have a backyard. And so like there's nature back there, but there is a red cardinal that comes and visits me like all the time. And so I told my mom, my mom sends me a whole thing about like red cardinals represent like, and it's male and it's like represent, you know, somebody who's passed away, like coming back to visit. So I thought that was pretty interesting. And I've had it a lot this year and in the last, I would say like six months, which I needed a lot of protection in my personal life. And then that got resolved and immediately like all these super exciting great work things started happening. Like this is sounding really woo woo. But I also work my fucking ass off every day, five days a week. No summer Fridays. You know what I mean? It's not like I'm waiting around for the cardinal to Bring me.

[Irene Bremis]

Of course you're not.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Yes. But, you know, it's just like. I think it's all like, you know, am I grateful for him being in my life for that amount of time? Yes, 100%. Can I look at something and just makes me happy to reflect on that and our time together and think about him and what he would be like right now or what he would do. Yes. Like, do I really believe the cardinal is Tom Sullivan dressed in a little red suit, you know? No, But I do think that it's like, sometimes these things are just, like, meant to make you reflect and be grateful.

[Rachel Dratch]

I like that.

[Irene Bremis]

I love that.

[Cynthia Rowley]

And on that note. No, no, I'm just kidding. That's a good button, though, right?

[Rachel Dratch]

That's a good button. Yes.

[Cynthia Rowley]

I didn't even plan that.

[Rachel Dratch]

No, it's. But I think that's a really great way of looking at it also. I do feel like, you know, like, I didn't really used to believe that stuff, but then when. Then when you've lost someone, you're like, sign me up. You know, like. And then also I do believe everything is a sign. I. I believe the more open you are, you know, you start seeing more. I notice when I'm consciously sort of trying to be more aware, that's when there's more kind of presented to you, whether it's that kind of thing or manifesting or just even noticing gratitude, little things. Like, you can go through looking for everything that's, like, going wrong, but if you go through looking for everything that's going right, you'd be surprised at how much you see. Like, I just think it's important to be open to all the good stuff. And, like, you said, signs as they appear.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Yeah, yeah.

[Irene Bremis]

And also when you. When you pay attention to those good signs and the positive things, then that opens your world in a positive direction too, because you're not so focused on negativity, so you're drawing in more positivity.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Yes, I agree. I'm a pathological optimist, I would say.

[Irene Bremis]

Oh, that just gave me a hint for your sign. Fantastic. Thank you for that. Nuggets again, is.

[Rachel Dratch]

I mean, gonna guess your sign now?

[Cynthia Rowley]

Let's hear it.

[Rachel Dratch]

Well, I know what she's gonna say for an optimist, but let's see.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Okay.

[Rachel Dratch]

And I don't remember when he knows. Okay.

[Irene Bremis]

Okay. So I would have to say I'm gonna have. I always have two tries because I'm. I'm hit or miss.

[Progressive Insurance Announcer]

Okay.

[Irene Bremis]

I would have to say for the optimism, I Would say Sagittarius.

[Rachel Dratch]

Okay.

[Irene Bremis]

And the other one, I would say Virgo.

[Rachel Dratch]

And.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Oh, shit.

[Irene Bremis]

I knew it.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Give you a third try. A third try.

[Irene Bremis]

Oh, I love you.

[Alexa Gabriel Ramirez]

Okay.

[Irene Bremis]

Thank you for that. Okay, there's a third try. Thank you, Cynthia. The third try.

[Cynthia Rowley]

This better.

[Alexa Gabriel Ramirez]

I don't even know the answer, bitch.

[Irene Bremis]

And I'm pointing at myself. All right, here we go. You're a hard worker. You're incredibly talented. I'm gonna go with Taurus.

[Cynthia Rowley]

No, wait.

[Rachel Dratch]

Okay, okay. Now let me keep working. Let me do it when you said hard work.

[Cynthia Rowley]

There's only nine more left.

[Irene Bremis]

There's only nine more left.

[Alexa Gabriel Ramirez]

Okay.

[Rachel Dratch]

Hard. I'm gonna guess Capricorn. No.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Okay, now there's only eight left.

[Irene Bremis]

I got one.

[Cynthia Rowley]

I got one.

[Rachel Dratch]

Okay.

[Irene Bremis]

Gemini.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Am I right?

[Alexa Gabriel Ramirez]

Oh.

[Cynthia Rowley]

I will say I don't present as my sign necessarily.

[Rachel Dratch]

I have no idea.

[Irene Bremis]

Aries.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Sex.

[Rachel Dratch]

Oh, my God. Okay, Irene, this is your worst ever.

[Irene Bremis]

Okay. This is the worst. You've also joined in.

[Rachel Dratch]

I don't know enough about the signs, though. I don't. Okay, that's true.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Pisces 5.

[Rachel Dratch]

Oh, my God, Irene.

[Irene Bremis]

But you know what? I. You know, sometimes I work, I eliminate all of them. And the last one standing. No, guys, it's like a weird kind of thing. So we're gonna just keep going with this.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Building the thing, building the anticipation. I gotta go with you.

[Irene Bremis]

Scorpio.

[Rachel Dratch]

Oh, did we already say Leo Scorpio?

[Cynthia Rowley]

Yeah. Now there's four.

[Rachel Dratch]

Oh, my God. What about Leo?

[Irene Bremis]

She said Leo.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Oh, Leo it is.

[Rachel Dratch]

Oh, now, Irene, remember last time we had an optimist.

[Irene Bremis]

Optimism.

[Rachel Dratch]

Last time we had an optim. Guess Leo first.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Right.

[Rachel Dratch]

But I forgot about. I forgot because I don't. I don't know. So that means you just had a birthday.

[Irene Bremis]

Happy birthday.

[Cynthia Rowley]

I don't have those anymore.

[Rachel Dratch]

Yeah, okay.

[Irene Bremis]

I know.

[Rachel Dratch]

Neither do I. I hear you. Okay, well, anyway, happy non. Birthday.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Yeah. Thank you.

[Rachel Dratch]

All right. Well, I think.

[Alexa Gabriel Ramirez]

I mean, I think we have so much here. The haunted house.

[Rachel Dratch]

I didn't know you were going to have, like, a real haunted house story. So that was.

[Irene Bremis]

It was amazing.

[Rachel Dratch]

That was a amazing one.

[Cynthia Rowley]

I told you. Including. I said yes.

[Rachel Dratch]

I went.

[Cynthia Rowley]

I was like, oh, I got a story.

[Rachel Dratch]

Love it.

[Alexa Gabriel Ramirez]

Thank you.

[Irene Bremis]

It was amazing. And I was gonna say, Rachel, you might be right about the Capricorn Moon. We didn't do the full chart, Cynthia. So we could have gotten nailed a couple of things.

[Rachel Dratch]

We probably covered your whole chart. You just don't know it.

[Irene Bremis]

We covered your whole chart.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Yeah.

[Irene Bremis]

You don't know It.

[Cynthia Rowley]

So it's on you, Cynthia. Could be true. I'm lucky. I know. I'm a Leo. That's about as far as I go.

[Rachel Dratch]

Well, Cynthia, thank you so much. But before we let you go, did you know we do a pendulum reading? Did you know about this part of things? Okay. Okay. So I have to grab my pendulum.

[Irene Bremis]

This is why she did the show, sweetie.

[Cynthia Rowley]

You know that.

[Irene Bremis]

Okay, hold on.

[Rachel Dratch]

The pendulum.

[Irene Bremis]

Let's not even pretend I'm afraid to.

[Rachel Dratch]

Ask, like, the thing you really care about. Yeah, yeah, no, I know. Well, it's sometimes wrong if you want to take a risk.

[Cynthia Rowley]

I'm saying, what if I ask something that I already know? The.

[Rachel Dratch]

Oh, yeah. To test it out.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Yeah, just to test it out.

[Rachel Dratch]

That's a great idea, Irene.

[Irene Bremis]

I think it's a terrible idea.

[Rachel Dratch]

I know Irene doesn't like when the pendulum's wrong. It.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Yeah, we already. We already blew it on the zodiac.

[Rachel Dratch]

Sign, so, like, this might not be your day, Irene. Okay, so why don't you think of. I'm gonna test the. Okay, why don't you think of the qu. The answer that you know and think on that.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Okay.

[Rachel Dratch]

Okay. Ready? Okay. Okay. Okay, I got my answer, Irene. Did you get yours?

[Irene Bremis]

Yes, I got a yes.

[Rachel Dratch]

I got a yes, too. What was your answer?

[Cynthia Rowley]

That is right.

[Rachel Dratch]

Okay. Okay. So now. Now you can think of the next question.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Oh, I'm too afraid to think of it.

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[Rachel Dratch]

You can ask if it's less high stakes.

[Progressive Insurance Announcer]

Okay.

[Rachel Dratch]

Yeah. Okay. You ready? Okay, here I go. Okay, I got my answer. Did you get.

[Irene Bremis]

Oh, I got my answer.

[Rachel Dratch]

I got a yes.

[Irene Bremis]

I got a no.

[Alexa Gabriel Ramirez]

What?

[Rachel Dratch]

See, you got a no.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Well, this one. I don't know the answer, so.

[Rachel Dratch]

Oh, well, what is. What was your question?

[Cynthia Rowley]

I don't know if I could say.

[Rachel Dratch]

My dog's about to throw up. Hold on.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Oh.

[Irene Bremis]

Oh, okay.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Okay, that's my cue. See?

[Irene Bremis]

Oh, my gosh. And she's out. This is awful. The dog's gonna throw up. I get a no. You get a yes.

[Rachel Dratch]

I don't know what that means. That might be the dog throw up.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Saved me from having to out myself with my question. The first one was about being honored. Okay, well, you are going to be on my industry.

[Rachel Dratch]

Okay, well, apparently that's gonna happen.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Yes.

[Rachel Dratch]

So I guess.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Well deserved. Thank you. Well deserved.

[Rachel Dratch]

I guess we can leave it at that if you want. And then the other one, you got mixed response and a dog puking, so.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Rachel Dratch]

I don't know how you want to interpret the dog bomb.

[Cynthia Rowley]

I don't know. Yeah, I feel like. Is that me?

[Rachel Dratch]

No, she was actually. She was throwing up last night, too. It was just a very auspicious timing that it was at your. Anyway, I'll leave that. Well, Cynthia, thank you so much for all of your tales, including.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Thank you so much.

[Alexa Gabriel Ramirez]

The Woman with the Gray Veil.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Yes. Well, thanks, guys for having me on.

[Irene Bremis]

This was amazing. Thank you very much. This is incredible.

[Rachel Dratch]

Thank you, Cynthia.

[Cynthia Rowley]

Thank you. Thanks, guys.

[Alexa Gabriel Ramirez]

And you can find me on Instagram @ that's r a e Dratch. And you can find Irene at IreneBremis. That's B R E M I S Bremis.

[Rachel Dratch]

And thanks for listening.

[Alexa Gabriel Ramirez]

Thanks for joining me on this journey into the world of Woo Woo. Don't forget to rate, review and subscribe.

[Rachel Dratch]

Wherever you get your podcasts. Woo Woo with Rachel Dratch is a Q Code production executive produced by David.

[Alexa Gabriel Ramirez]

Henning and Steve Wilson. Produced by Alexa Gabriel Ramirez, edited by Will Tendi.