Jeff Hiller: Astral Projecting to Visit the Fam

Summary

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Woo Woo with Rachel Dratch

Episode: Jeff Hiller: Astral Projecting to Visit the Fam

Release Date: May 20, 2026
Host: Rachel Dratch
Co-host: Irene Bremis
Guest: Jeff Hiller

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Episode Overview

This episode blends humor, heartfelt moments, and a healthy dose of "woo woo" as comedian and actor Jeff Hiller joins Rachel and Irene for stories of the unexplained and otherworldly. From spiritual signs and Human Design charts, to tales of astral projection and hilarious showbiz tales, Jeff's warmth and wit shine through as he and the hosts riff on all things mystical—with several memorable tangents and laughs along the way.

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Key Themes and Discussion Points

Recounting Their Friendship and Showbiz Journey

• Backstage Memories (03:28–09:20)

  • Rachel and Jeff reminisce about meeting during "Love’s Labor’s Lost" at Shakespeare in the Park, highlighting the comedic contrast of their heights (Rachel, 5'1", Jeff, 6'5") as an on-stage duo.
  • “A short person yelling at a tall person...come on!” – Rachel Dratch (05:24)
  • Their bonding time included pretending to start a book club and latch hook rug kits, leading to genuine friendship and mutual admiration.

• Jeff’s Career Milestones

  • Discussion of Jeff's rising profile via "Somebody Somewhere" on HBO/Max, his acclaimed one-man shows ("Grief Bacon", "Middle-Aged Don Juan"), and receiving a Peabody Award (09:27–09:44).
  • Rachel jokes about manifesting Jeff into her "Power Gays" circle, a nod to LGBTQ+ visibility in entertainment (08:10–08:14).

Woo Woo Groundwork: Spiritual Upbringings, Signs, and Manifesting

• Spiritual Curiosity and Family Signs (10:17–13:19)
  • Jeff shares growing up Christian, later seeking other sources of meaning and fun in astrology, psychics, and “woo woo” topics.
  • Touching story of finding a Ziploc bag of memorabilia connected to his late mother—including a Stonewall newspaper and a Playbill—which Jeff reads as a sign of her continued presence:
    • “I felt like that was my sign from my mom.” – Jeff Hiller (13:02)
  • The trio discuss openness to signs and the comfort offered by these beliefs.

Introducing Human Design and Personality Types

• Human Design Chat (16:57–22:28)
  • Jeff explains Human Design as "kind of like astrology... a way to live your life...by finding your type and then following the rules for your type". His friend Nadia acts as his guide (17:00–17:08).
  • Jeff’s "projector" type advises him “to wait for the invitation instead of trying to make things happen”—he credits this approach for landing his role on "Somebody Somewhere" (17:28–17:56).
  • Comic banter over type descriptions (“projector” as a psychological term), celebrity examples (Barack Obama as a projector, George W. Bush as manifesto), and their desire to take the test.
  • “I learned that my type is not supposed to work for more than four hours in a day.” – Jeff Hiller (19:07–19:13)
  • “That’s convenient!” – Rachel (19:13)

Astrology Banter: Guessing Signs and Drag Name Tangents

• Guess the Sign Game (24:30–29:04)
  • Irene tries (and fails) to guess Jeff’s sun sign, landing on Leo before correctly arriving at Sagittarius, which they all share or are close to (25:31–25:41).
  • Spirited riffing on the word “perished” (Debbie Downer story) as a “lighter” alternative, leading to gag about “Parrish” as a great drag name (27:12–29:13).

Main Woo Woo Story: Astral Projection on the Plane

• The Astral Projecting Assistant (31:21–39:33)
  • Jeff relates meeting a talkative woman on a plane who claims to regularly astral project to visit her family in San Antonio, and sometimes astral projects with her boss—revealed as singer Suzanne Vega (31:21–33:00).
  • The woman says anyone who lucid dreams can "declare" they are on the astral plane to travel anywhere (34:13–34:14).
  • Rachel and Irene express intrigue and skepticism:
    • “That’s the only story we’ve had on here about it. I'm fascinated by it...” – Rachel (33:25)
  • They riff about the possibility of collective astral family visits and the logistics of meeting on the astral plane (38:38–39:15).
  • “The family that projects together stays together.” – Irene (38:55)

Tarot, Spiritual Synchronicity, and Meaningful Messages

• Tarot and Giraffe Symbolism (43:43–45:59)

  • Jeff describes having a tarot reading with Rebecca Allman, who drew a giraffe card—the favorite animal of Jeff’s late mom and a recurring symbol in his life (44:00–45:06).
  • The intended message: “...basically loving yourself and stop being mean to yourself and to love yourself, which was, like, something that my mom said all the time.” – Jeff (45:07).

• Manifesting Success (47:01–49:00)

  • While writing his book, Jeff discovered a journal entry wishing for "a prestige dramedy on HBO"—which he later landed (“Somebody Somewhere”).
    • “I did find a journal where I said if I could manifest anything, it would be a prestige drama comedy on HBO.” – Jeff Hiller (47:43)
    • Rachel’s reaction: “I’m frozen...my jaw is agape.” (47:46)
  • Discussion of the practical/delusional line in manifesting and celebration of the ways it sometimes works out.

Light-Hearted Closer: Pendulum Readings and Show Plugs

• Pendulum Reading Segment (50:06–52:12)

  • Jeff asks: “Will I get health insurance next year?”—the pendulum says yes!
  • Discussion of SAG insurance, the realities of actor life, and more breathing jokes.

• Plugs and Goodbyes (52:24–end)

  • Jeff plugs his new book “Actress of a Certain Age” (June 10, 2025) and his Instagram @boomboomhiller.
  • Rachel: “Thank you so much. This was so fun.” (52:33)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “And you know where you haven’t seen me? In the closet.” – Jeff Hiller (08:21)
• “If I want to manifest something, I need to do it really specifically... like, if I want a hotel room, I want a window overlooking water. You know, that sort of thing.” – Jeff Hiller on his Human Design recommendations (19:21)
• “But I have to also warn you that there were other things I also wanted that didn’t come true.” – Jeff Hiller (48:46)
• “The family that projects together stays together.” – Irene Bremis (38:55)
• “I started off saying I don’t believe, and now at this point I’m like, I believe it all.” – Rachel Dratch (37:10)
• [On the astral projection story:] “Chance encounter on a plane leads to lesson in astral projecting.” – Rachel Dratch (40:35)
• “I love also hearing you say, like, I wanted to choose a lighter word, so I went with ‘perish.’” – Jeff Hiller (28:53)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:28] – Meeting in Shakespeare in the Park, Backstage Adventures
• [10:17] – Spiritual Upbringing, Mother's Signs, and Family Stories
• [16:57] – Human Design, Personality Types, and Manifesting
• [24:30] – Astrology Guessing Game and Drag Name Tangents
• [31:21] – Astral Projection on the Plane (with Suzanne Vega’s Assistant)
• [43:43] – Tarot Reading, Giraffe Symbolism, Messages from Mom
• [47:01] – Manifestation Journal Entry
• [50:06] – Pendulum Reading and Outro

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Tone and Style

The episode is marked by a warm, comedic tone—friendly ribbing, quick-witted banter, and an inviting sense of curiosity. Jeff Hiller’s self-deprecating humor and openness about both the “ups and downs” of showbiz, and his “woo woo” interests, blend with Rachel’s dry, curious approach and Irene’s playful interjections. The group manages to balance skepticism, wonder, and laughter—making the "woo woo" less about hard belief and more about community, openness, and finding signs wherever they may appear.

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Summary Takeaway

This fun, meandering conversation spotlights how beliefs in signs, manifestation, and the unexplained often intersect with real emotional needs and creative lives. Whether or not you believe, the stories—about longing for connection, honoring loved ones, and saying yes to possibility—make “Woo Woo” both hilarious and unexpectedly poignant.

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Transcript

[Jeff Hiller]

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[Rachel Dratch]

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Rachel Dratch, here with Irene Bremes. Hi, Irene.

[Irene Bremes]

Hello, Rachel.

[Rachel Dratch]

Irene, we have an old pal of mine. And, you know, I always like when I'm a young, old pal of mine.

Actually.

Yes, in this demographic, you count as young Jeff. Now please welcome Jeff Hiller.

[Irene Bremes]

Hello. Hi, Jeff.

[Jeff Hiller]

Or should I say hello?

[Rachel Dratch]

You're a youth. Beautiful gentleman. Jeff, I'm so happy to see you.

[Jeff Hiller]

I'm happy to see you too.

[Rachel Dratch]

Thanks for doing this.

[Jeff Hiller]

Yeah, this'll be fun.

[Rachel Dratch]

This'll be fun.

[Jeff Hiller]

Well, I really like woo stuff. That's why I say that.

[Rachel Dratch]

Okay, good. No, I was really excited. Cause when I asked you, I was very. I was, like, delighted to know that you actually had a few stories up your belt. No, not up your belt. Sorry. Up your sleeve. I'm gonna leave your belt out of this. Jeff and I met Irene. I don't even know if you know this, but we met.

[Irene Bremes]

I don't.

[Rachel Dratch]

Well, I'm gonna say it was. For me, it was a bucket list moment. And I hate the word bucket list so much. I don't know how you feel about it, Jeff, but we both. I can assume we both were achieving checking something off our bucket list, because we both got to do Shakespeare in the park together.

[Irene Bremes]

Ooh, nice.

[Rachel Dratch]

And that's how. For sure, that's how we really met.

[Jeff Hiller]

Met.

[Rachel Dratch]

Right. I think.

[Jeff Hiller]

Yeah. I think that's.

[Rachel Dratch]

Yeah.

[Jeff Hiller]

That's the only story of how we met.

[Rachel Dratch]

Yeah.

[Irene Bremes]

Okay.

[Rachel Dratch]

That's the only story how we met. And not only were we in this play, we were in Love's Labor's Lost for you Shakespeare aficionados. And we were not only in the play together, but we were paired together as a duo, which was very funny already even before we uttered a word, because I'm only five one. And, Jeff, how tall are You.

[Jeff Hiller]

Six, Five.

[Rachel Dratch]

Six, five. Wow. Wow. So we came on as this duo all the time, and I was this professor who. This arrogant professor. And I would boss Jeff around all the time. So right away, there's comedy there. A short person yelling at a tall person.

Come on.

[Jeff Hiller]

That's what we call juxtaposition.

[Rachel Dratch]

Yes. But we had a lot of fun in that play.

[Jeff Hiller]

We did.

[Rachel Dratch]

And it was a musical, actually. It was a musical version of Love's Labor's Lost. Jeff.

[Jeff Hiller]

And we came in on page 52.

[Rachel Dratch]

I don't know. I was gonna say. Jeff, do you wanna talk about our backstage antics before we go into things?

[Jeff Hiller]

Yeah. There was a full play before we even came on. There was, like, a whole arc of a show before we even were on the stage. And so we. We had, like, hours.

[Rachel Dratch]

Feel like we had an hour.

[Jeff Hiller]

At least a full hour backstage.

[Rachel Dratch]

Yeah.

[Jeff Hiller]

And we joked that we would do

[Rachel Dratch]

latch key, latch hook rug kits and a book club.

[Jeff Hiller]

We did have a book club.

[Rachel Dratch]

To have a book club together. And then I started joking about latch hook rug kits. And then, of course, I had to actually buy one for you, but I accidentally bought one that was, like, a real expert. It wasn't even fun. It was, like, very. It was a lot of, like, handy. It was like. It was one that, like, old Italian ladies would do. It wasn't one that, like, you did when you were in seventh grade that you got at a craft store.

[Jeff Hiller]

Right.

[Rachel Dratch]

So we never really even started the Latch and Grow, but we did have a lot of bonding time backstage.

[Jeff Hiller]

We did. We did.

[Rachel Dratch]

Since then, Jeff has gone on to great stardom. And by the way, Jeff, you might know Jeff from the show Somebody Somewhere.

[Irene Bremes]

Oh, yeah. I love you on that show, Jeff.

[Jeff Hiller]

Fantastic show.

[Rachel Dratch]

Wait, it's on hbo, right?

[Jeff Hiller]

Yeah, it is.

[Irene Bremes]

Okay.

[Rachel Dratch]

Do we call that Max now or what? I don't know.

[Jeff Hiller]

Well, it's on both.

[Rachel Dratch]

Okay.

[Jeff Hiller]

I'm not gonna be able to.

[Rachel Dratch]

Somewhere around HBO and Max lies Somebody Somewhere that Jeff is on with Bridget Everett and Murray Hill, among others.

[Jeff Hiller]

Oh, my God. Let's see.

[Rachel Dratch]

Such a great show. Great show, Jeff. You're so good in it.

[Jeff Hiller]

Thank you.

[Rachel Dratch]

And I also want to say, Jeff, I don't know if you remember this. I'm pretty sure that I'm not remembering this wrong, but I think back when we were hanging out backstage, so I thought you were so talented. Right. And you'd come up through ucb, and I just thought you were so funny. And you know how hard it is to break into the biz. And I used to joke that within five years I was going to make you one of the power gays in the business. Okay. And I just thought of this today because I was friends with. Not to name job, Harry. Let me just. Let me name job to my fan base here. I was already friends with Jesse Tyler Ferguson, Michael Urie and Cheyenne Jackson, what I called the tranvert of power gays in the business. So anyway, I was like, jeff, within five years I'm gonna make you one of the power gays. And I'd like to say, okay, maybe it took a little more than five years, but you are now a power gay.

[Irene Bremes]

You are.

[Jeff Hiller]

You are.

[Rachel Dratch]

I've seen you on talk shows, I've seen you in the press. I've seen you living in your moment here.

[Jeff Hiller]

And you know where you haven't seen me? In the closet.

[Rachel Dratch]

That's right, sweetie. So true, so true. Oh my gosh. Also, Jeff does these fantastic one man shows.

[Irene Bremes]

I saw your one man show with Amazing.

[Rachel Dratch]

You came. That's so nice. I thought you guys had met then.

[Jeff Hiller]

Yes, yes.

[Rachel Dratch]

We saw you. Well, we've seen two of your shows. I know. We saw Grief Bacon, which I loved. And then I think I saw middle aged Donjanou.

[Jeff Hiller]

Maybe you came to that one. I've seen a few.

[Rachel Dratch]

Anyway, if you have a chance to see Jeff perform. I don't. Do you take these around the land or are they just in New York, Louisiana?

[Jeff Hiller]

Well, I'm not gonna lie to you. I tried to take them around the land and they didn't sell so well.

[Rachel Dratch]

What? This is an outrage.

[Jeff Hiller]

So by power gay, we sort of like a. It's sort of a soft.

[Rachel Dratch]

Oh, my God.

Well, I like your honesty though because we discuss showbiz a lot in here. We talk about the ups and downs, kid.

[Jeff Hiller]

I'm not afraid to talk about the downs, baby.

[Rachel Dratch]

Right. It's not all a bed of roses, but somebody somewhere. You guys got a Peabody Award, I believe, right?

[Irene Bremes]

Such a challenge.

[Rachel Dratch]

Among other awards.

Right. And were you nominated?

[Jeff Hiller]

That's the only one. It's a big one.

[Rachel Dratch]

You're gonna get one on one. Make it to Peabody.

[Jeff Hiller]

That's what I say.

[Rachel Dratch]

Wait, were you nominated for an Emmy, by the way?

[Jeff Hiller]

No.

[Rachel Dratch]

Okay, well, you know what? On this show, that's gonna be our

[Irene Bremes]

vision board on this show.

[Rachel Dratch]

That's my next. I've never been to the Emmys myself.

[Jeff Hiller]

I'm gonna do manifest.

[Irene Bremes]

Manifest.

[Jeff Hiller]

I'm gonna woo woo Manifest it.

[Rachel Dratch]

Oh my God, I love it. Well, Jeff, speaking of manifesting in woo woo, you said you're Kind of a w. Woo Woo guy.

[Jeff Hiller]

Yeah. Because, you know, I think it's. Cause I grew up real, like, Christian, and like, you know, you. When you grow up that way, you sort of are like, oh, God has a plan. And there's all this, like, destiny or whatever. And then when you start to be like, oh, wait, I'm seeing some cracks. I'm seeing some cracks in the. In the world here in the Sistine Chapel ceiling. And so I started looking for other things. So I'm just really into it. And also, I just. I don't know. It's just fun, right?

[Rachel Dratch]

It's fun, right?

[Jeff Hiller]

Sit around and talk about it. Like, I'm totally into. I love reading a horoscope. I do love talking about ghosts and stuff. My sister is really big into talk. Our mom is dead. And she's really big into, like, talking about how our mom, like, for instance, my sister always. She always. Whenever she flies, she always has a seat next to her. It's like, really bizarrely consistent. And she's like. She always sends me a picture and says, like, mama left a seat for me. Because, like, when they would travel here, they would often buy a seat on the. And the window and not in the middle. And the hope would be no one would show up and they would have room. And so. But here's the thing, is that my mom doesn't do that for me. And I find that a little harsh because I'm taller than my sister.

[Rachel Dratch]

You need the leg room.

[Irene Bremes]

You need the emergency aisle for you, baby. First class.

[Jeff Hiller]

That's right. Anyway, but yeah, she's. We're really. We're really into that stuff. My sister and I will always talk about signs from our mother.

[Rachel Dratch]

Have you had any signs or.

[Jeff Hiller]

I did get a sign from my mom. I pretty sure my. My mom had died. And my dad, he was in going into, like, a rehab thing. And it was this weird thing where, like, these vultures were attacking our house.

[Rachel Dratch]

The prophecy. Yeah, exactly.

[Jeff Hiller]

I think I say this in grief. Bacon. I'm like, is it still a metaphor when it's that obvious? Like, the death word is on your house? But anyway, we had to go in and clear some stuff out. Cause we were gonna have a family friend stay there so that the vultures would get scared away. And I found this Ziploc bag. And in it was all of these things from our trip to New York City in 1989. And it was this big thing. It was like a. It was a playbill of the first show we saw on Broadway. And then it was like a gay newspaper that was celebrating the 20th anniversary of Stonewall. And I found it right before the 50th anniversary of Stonewall. And it was all about gay marriage. And my mom really loves my husband and threw us a little wedding reception. And it was, there was an article in it about moms who love their gay sons.

[Rachel Dratch]

Sweet.

[Jeff Hiller]

And I felt like that was my sign from my mom.

[Rachel Dratch]

Nice.

[Jeff Hiller]

I mean, also like maybe not. I don't know.

[Rachel Dratch]

Well, we're always willing to go with the sign.

[Jeff Hiller]

With the sign. Okay, good.

[Rachel Dratch]

I was willing to go on the side that it was a sign.

[Jeff Hiller]

Yeah, but that's the big sign that I got. But then, you know, I don't know. I'm always into all sorts of stuff. I love everything. Woo woo.

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[Jeff Hiller]

Do you know Human Design? Are you. Do you know?

[Irene Bremes]

No?

[Jeff Hiller]

Okay, well, I have a Human Design guide which is really just my friend Nadia.

[Irene Bremes]

What does that mean?

[Jeff Hiller]

She's just my friend. I don't know, she read a book or something.

[Rachel Dratch]

Yeah.

[Jeff Hiller]

Anyway, it's like this. It's kind of like astrology where it's like your personality type and it's like a way to live your life or whatever is by finding out your type and then following the rules for your type.

[Rachel Dratch]

Oh yeah. Wait, is this the enneagram? Is it another word for the enneagram?

[Jeff Hiller]

It has like enneagram stuff in it as well as. Because you find out your type by your birth time, it has like something about the I Ching in it. I don't exactly know what that is, but anyway, so I'm really into that because it said I should wait for the invitation instead of trying to make things happen. And I had been trying to make things happen for so long. And then I waited for the invitation and I got somebody somewhere.

[Rachel Dratch]

Wow, I like that.

[Jeff Hiller]

But also, like, the Facebook group about human design, I had to get out of it. Cause it was like, all these people saying really wild things about, like, you know, aliens and Hitler and.

[Rachel Dratch]

Yeah, well, they're both very in right now.

[Irene Bremes]

Yes, yes, they really are. In case you haven't noticed.

[Rachel Dratch]

So corrupt. Aliens and Hitler, they're in the zeitgeist.

[Jeff Hiller]

They've got their finger on the pulse. It's not their fault.

[Rachel Dratch]

God, give me strength.

Give us both strength.

I've never heard of human design. Is it a book? Is it, like, where does one take the deep dive that we're all gonna take?

[Jeff Hiller]

It's a woman named Jenna Zoe. Human Design with Jenna Zoe.

[Rachel Dratch]

Jenna Zoey.

[Jeff Hiller]

And she has an app, but there's also, like, you can just go to humandesign.com and figure out your chart if you know your birth. But you have to know your birth time.

[Irene Bremes]

I've done your chart, haven't I? Yeah, you can do that online. I've done that. But the human design takes it a step further. It sounds like.

[Rachel Dratch]

So wait, so what else did you learn about yourself?

[Jeff Hiller]

Oh, I learned that my type is not supposed to work for more than four hours in a day.

[Rachel Dratch]

Wasn't that convenient? Sorry, it's just my type. I'm gonna. I'm gonna stop now.

[Jeff Hiller]

And I do. I just fall over. But also, I learned that what was the thing that, like, really made me feel like it was really impressive and powerful. It was like, if. If I wanna manifest something, I need to do it really specifically, so I need to be like. Like, if I want to have, like, a really beautiful trip, then I wanna, like. I want to say, like. And I want a hotel room that has a window overlooking water. You know, like that sort of thing. Like, I'm supposed to really manifest it. I guess. A trip you have more control over than.

[Rachel Dratch]

Right.

[Jeff Hiller]

You don't really need to manifest that. You could just request a room with water.

[Rachel Dratch]

No, but I could see trying to manifest a trip. Yeah. Okay, now, is there a name of, like, your type? Are they numbers? Are they, like, the falcon? The vulture.

[Jeff Hiller]

Cardinal. That's better.

[Rachel Dratch]

Actually, the parrot. I don't know why I'm picking words.

[Jeff Hiller]

Ra Uruhu is the one who came up with it. But his real name was, like, Alan or something, but he changed it to a Rah.

[Rachel Dratch]

It's always Alan changing to Ra Uhuru.

[Jeff Hiller]

He should have said eagles, but it's like there are people who Are manifesters, people who are generators, people who are reflectors. And then I have a name. My type is projector, which feels, it has a little. The projector sounds a little like, you know, because it sounds like what's, you know, like the people who are projectors, like who are projecting onto other people.

[Rachel Dratch]

It sounds like a bad psychiatric. Yeah, exactly.

[Jeff Hiller]

It's not that. No.

[Rachel Dratch]

I guess. Well, now I want to. Now we should take this test and

see what we are.

Irene.

[Irene Bremes]

Yeah, I would love to.

[Rachel Dratch]

Yeah. This is interesting, listeners. I know you're on the edge of your seats to hear what types Irene and I are. Yeah, don't worry, we're going to do some, some serious research and get back to you.

[Jeff Hiller]

Well, the, the most rare type is the reflector.

[Irene Bremes]

Ooh.

[Rachel Dratch]

And what does the reflector do?

[Jeff Hiller]

So for them, that's my dad as a reflector, I found out, which I thought was so interesting. But they basically like, I know Sandra Bullock is one.

[Irene Bremes]

They always have that one celebrity. Exactly, exactly.

[Jeff Hiller]

To be clear, I do not know Sandy Bullock.

[Rachel Dratch]

But.

[Irene Bremes]

But you just called her Stephen Sandy. Exactly.

[Jeff Hiller]

I guess I kind of know her because I know she's a reflect. They have to. They reflect back the world. So if you don't like a reflector, it probably means you don't like yourself because they're really like reflecting back you to them to you or whatever. And for a projector, we are leaders. Like Barack Obama is a projector, whereas George W. Bush was a manifestor. But a manifestor can basically be like, I want this to happen and then that will happen. Whereas a projector has to wait for an invitation and they are often very. I have to make a decision by talking it through. And I don't even need to listen to anybody coming back. I just need to speak it out loud or something like that.

[Rachel Dratch]

Maybe I'm a projector. I need to do that.

[Irene Bremes]

Yeah, you do, actually.

[Rachel Dratch]

I really do. I get paralyzed by decisions.

[Jeff Hiller]

I do too.

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[Rachel Dratch]

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Do you want to guess his sign? I know your sign.

[Irene Bremes]

Oh yeah. Oh you do? We usually do this later, but so out going. Sweetie, you're delightful.

[Rachel Dratch]

I mean.

[Irene Bremes]

Okay, let me guess.

[Rachel Dratch]

Okay, I think you're going to get it.

[Irene Bremes]

Okay, you think I'm going to get it?

[Rachel Dratch]

I'm thinking about this one.

[Irene Bremes]

I hope I get it. I hate not getting it.

[Rachel Dratch]

What you just said. You just said you're outgoing and delightful.

[Irene Bremes]

You're outgoing and delightful. So I'm going to have to go with.

[Rachel Dratch]

Come on.

[Irene Bremes]

Can I have three?

[Rachel Dratch]

Three? I want you to get this one on the first try.

[Irene Bremes]

Okay. I think you can do it. Rachel makes. She's putting the pressure on.

[Rachel Dratch]

You can do it. I feel good about this one.

[Irene Bremes]

Okay, you do feel good about this. You're outgoing and delightful. I'm going to go with Leo. Fuck me.

[Rachel Dratch]

Damn it.

Fuck me.

God damn it. God damn it. I failed. What I said. I've never heard you say Leo. They're not even delightful. They're not even delightful. They're outgoing. They're outgoing and delightful.

[Irene Bremes]

Oh my gosh, you're right.

[Rachel Dratch]

It's like I heard you say this before.

[Irene Bremes]

You're outgoing into like Libra.

[Rachel Dratch]

Oh God. God dammit. Okay. Oh.

[Irene Bremes]

Okay. I got It. I do get. I'm gonna. Please, Rachel. I can save myself. I know I can.

[Rachel Dratch]

Sweetie.

[Irene Bremes]

You're undoubtedly. You are a Sagittarius.

[Rachel Dratch]

Yes. Oh. Oh, shit. I should have led with that.

[Irene Bremes]

I'm never gonna forgive myself for this one.

[Rachel Dratch]

I've heard you say many times, Sagittarius are outgoing. And by the way, Irene is a Sagittarius. Cut that other part off. No, we're gonna go with honesty.

But Irene is a Sagittarius.

[Irene Bremes]

I am a goddamn Sagittarius.

[Rachel Dratch]

She's outgoing and delightful.

[Jeff Hiller]

Wait, is your birthday coming up really quickly? When is your birthday?

[Irene Bremes]

December 13th. Me and Swifty. Sweetie, I'm a tay tay girl.

[Rachel Dratch]

When's yours, Jeff? I forget.

[Jeff Hiller]

December 7th. Pearl Harbor Day. Do you remember when. Do you remember when our friend Lucas in the play asked you, oh, God,

[Rachel Dratch]

my Debbie Connor, if you had any.

[Jeff Hiller]

If you had any family left in Europe?

[Rachel Dratch]

And you said, okay, this is so funny. Okay, there was a guy. There was a guy. This has nothing to do with. Woo woo. But we're just gonna share this. There was a guy on a plane named Lucas. I didn't know him very well. One night we were in la, we gathered, and we were just making conversation. I fucking Debbie Downer'd the whole night. So Lucas said, we were talking about, like, ancestry and stuff. And Lucas says. And I said, oh, well, I'm from. I don't know if I had said the area yet. I think I did. I'm from Eastern Europe. Everyone's from Eastern Europe. And he goes, oh, do you have any relatives there? And I was like. I didn't know what to say. There was like two roads diverge at this conversation. And I was like, well, they probably all.

[Jeff Hiller]

Here's what I said.

[Rachel Dratch]

Here's what I said. They probably all perished. I wasn't trying to be funny, but I was also trying to be real.

[Jeff Hiller]

Words of all the words to choose parish.

[Rachel Dratch]

It's like, I didn't want to say killed, so I chose a more light heart. Like parish could be. Like. It almost sounds like garnish. It's like, would you care for some parish on the side? So it sounds more like a. A sweet word. And so I said, they all perished. And then the conversation drove to a screeching halt. I'm like, I didn't know. I didn't know Lucas enough to like. To be like, yeah, it was just kind of like, well, I guess that's the last time I'll ever hang out with that guy. And it was. Anyway, that's A good memory. Speaking of Hitler. Okay. Anyway, getting back on track here.

[Jeff Hiller]

But you know what? I am a Sagittarius. And also my rising sign is Sagittarius.

[Irene Bremes]

Well, that's not surprising at all, Rachel. You're right. I don't know what I was thinking with Leo.

[Rachel Dratch]

I was trying to give you the Spidey. I was trying to ESP you.

[Irene Bremes]

Right. It's not you, sweetie. To me, I'm closed off.

[Rachel Dratch]

You say outgoing for sag, and you say bright and bright and happy and happy and optimistic.

[Irene Bremes]

And that's so you.

[Jeff Hiller]

I am pretty optimistic.

[Rachel Dratch]

Sweetie.

[Irene Bremes]

Sweetie. I'm so mad about that.

[Rachel Dratch]

My parents are sag.

[Jeff Hiller]

Oh, really?

[Rachel Dratch]

I'm used to Sagittarius energy. Guys, we love.

[Irene Bremes]

We love the Pisces.

[Rachel Dratch]

Okay.

[Irene Bremes]

So sorry about that.

[Jeff Hiller]

My sister's a Pisces.

[Rachel Dratch]

Oh, really? All right.

[Jeff Hiller]

No, my mom was a pisces.

[Rachel Dratch]

Oh, right.

[Jeff Hiller]

February 2nd.

[Rachel Dratch]

Okay. My sister's March 5th. That's Aquarius.

[Jeff Hiller]

Oh, my sister's March 5th.

[Rachel Dratch]

Okay. Your sister's a Pisces. Yeah, my sister's a Pisces.

[Jeff Hiller]

Yeah.

[Rachel Dratch]

I love it that you brought up the parish story. So funny.

[Jeff Hiller]

I love also hearing you say, like, I wanted to choose a lighter words, so I went with Parrish.

[Rachel Dratch]

Yes.

[Irene Bremes]

Parrish is so comforting.

[Rachel Dratch]

Anyway, keep it light and light. Please welcome to the stage Parrish.

[Irene Bremes]

Parrish.

[Jeff Hiller]

That's a good drag name.

[Rachel Dratch]

It is.

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[Rachel Dratch]

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[Rachel Dratch]

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[Rachel Dratch]

Okay, so Jeff, I think you said that you had had some sort of astral projection story.

[Jeff Hiller]

Oh, well, I've never astral projected, but one time I was on a plane with this woman and she, you know how like when you're on a plane and you and people want to talk to you and normally I don't like to talk on a plane. Are you into people talking to you?

[Rachel Dratch]

Not, not generally on a plane.

[Jeff Hiller]

Me neither. I don't like it at all. And she just wouldn't let me. Not engaged. And I'm polite too. I don't like to have a lot of conflict. But we were flying home to San Antonio. That's where I grew up. And that's where I guess she grew up too. And. But she lived in New York now. And then I said, oh, when's the last time you've been home? So I guess, I mean, I asked her questions. So I guess this is on me too, that she talked to me. But she said I haven't been physically home in over a year, but I astral project there all the time. And I was like, okay, what is that? And then she told me that she's a really good dreamer and she's able to astral project in her dreams to go visit her family because it's just like a nice way to, I don't know, visit home for cheap. Is this an economic thing? I don't know. But then she was like, and I work for someone famous. And I was like, oh, okay, Sandra Bullock. And she was like, I can't tell you who it is. And I was like, okay. And then she goes, it's Suzanne Vega. And I was like, oh. And she said sometimes Suzanne and I astral project as well.

[Rachel Dratch]

Oh, oh, I wish. I used to love Suzanne Vega. I mean her, her era, like is Right when I was in college, when she hit it big. So, like, ooh, maybe I'll try to

track her down on the astral plane.

On the astral plane. Wow. Literally. So, wait, did she tell you? Cause we did have one guest. I don't know if you heard our Craig Chester episode.

[Jeff Hiller]

Oh, I know who Craig Chester is, but I didn't hear that episode.

[Rachel Dratch]

Oh, my God. It's about astral projection, and he didn't do it, but this guy that he knew did. And it's an amazing story, so I'm fascinated. That's the only story we've had on here about it. I'm fascinated by it. But did she tell you anything?

More like, did she go to other places?

[Jeff Hiller]

Yes. She says she goes everywhere, but that's, like, how she travels. And she said that this is, like, a long time ago. This is, like, before we even did love. Isabel's loss. It was, like, maybe even 20 years ago. Okay, but she. She said that. Let's just say I was flying coach. Okay? But she said that you have to. You can teach yourself to do it. She said if you ever have a lucid dream or whatever, you just have to say, I'm on the astral plane and I can travel anywhere I want. You just have to consciously say it.

[Irene Bremes]

Really?

[Jeff Hiller]

That's what she told me.

[Irene Bremes]

I'm gonna try that. Cause I. Lucid dream.

[Rachel Dratch]

Do you?

[Irene Bremes]

Yes.

[Jeff Hiller]

How do you know if it's lucid?

[Rachel Dratch]

Because you're aware you're dreaming.

[Irene Bremes]

Like, you're half awake and half asleep.

[Jeff Hiller]

Oh, you're aware you're dreaming?

[Rachel Dratch]

Yes.

I've only had that happen, like, once or twice, but never enough to be able to. Like, it was before I was into all this stuff, so I've never thought, like, of trying that. Me neither. I don't know if I would have the capabilities, but I don't think I

[Jeff Hiller]

have it in me either. But I would love to.

[Rachel Dratch]

So when Craig and I. Craig told me this story a long, long time ago. And then he actually got me this book called Mastering the Art of Astral Projection. And so I looked in it, and I.

[Jeff Hiller]

Have you mastered it?

[Rachel Dratch]

No, I have not. As a matter of fact, I gave up because I was telling on this episode that the very first chapter is about breathing exercises. And then I was like, that's boring. So then I was like, you think breathing's gonna get me to Mars? You know? No. So I. I love that the one

[Jeff Hiller]

thing that you're like, oh, I can't do. That is literally the thing that Your body just does on its own, but

[Rachel Dratch]

it's too boring for me. And then I also.

[Jeff Hiller]

Listen, I get it. I can only work four hours a day.

[Rachel Dratch]

Yeah. Callback. Callback.

[Irene Bremes]

That's a callback, people.

[Rachel Dratch]

No, but I was sort of like,

I was also, I gotta say, a cynic. That breathing could lead to astral projection. So maybe that's on me like you said, but. Oh, this is kind of a funny side story though. The first time John came over here, the book was on the bookshelf and it's like, it's like you might as well have a sign that say I'm crazy. Cause like that is a book to hide when a new potential lover is coming over. You don't want. Mastering the Art of Astral projection prominently featured.

[Jeff Hiller]

Makes me feel like a red flag for it to be right by the bed.

[Rachel Dratch]

I had to get rid of it immediately. But so anyway, I never did master the art. But where, where were we in this? Hold on.

[Irene Bremes]

Sorry.

[Jeff Hiller]

That wasn't a very good story. A third hand story about Suzanne Vega's personal assistant.

[Rachel Dratch]

No. Are you kidding me?

[Irene Bremes]

Are you kidding me? Did she have a conversation? It opened up.

[Rachel Dratch]

Did she have any other stories about like where she went? Like, would she go to like, I'm going to go to France today or whatever?

[Jeff Hiller]

I don't remember France. I think she was.

[Irene Bremes]

She.

[Jeff Hiller]

It was more like she could meet spirits and stuff, like ancestors, but not ones that she knew, but ones that were just, I don't know.

[Rachel Dratch]

Oh, like spirit masters kind of thing.

[Jeff Hiller]

Yeah, kind of like I'm totally putting

[Rachel Dratch]

words in your mouth.

[Jeff Hiller]

I don't know exactly. Because like I say, I was trying to not talk that much.

[Rachel Dratch]

Oh my gosh.

[Jeff Hiller]

Now I feel like I've really identified her in a way that anybody. I know who she was, but I got the vibe that she was able to talk to like teachers.

[Rachel Dratch]

Yes.

[Jeff Hiller]

And they could help her with her life.

[Rachel Dratch]

Yes, that's right. Yes, Grasshopper.

[Jeff Hiller]

I think that's what's great about Woo Woo is you can kind of make it work for you, you know?

[Rachel Dratch]

Exactly. And at this point, you know, I started off saying I don't believe, and now at this point I'm like, I believe it all. Human design. Sure. Talking to spirit masters in the sky while you're.

[Jeff Hiller]

What the hell?

[Rachel Dratch]

In your dream stories, we're. Why not third hand?

[Irene Bremes]

Third. We'll take fifth hand.

[Rachel Dratch]

What if it's on the bottom? Let's just make it up as we go. Oh my gosh.

[Jeff Hiller]

Oh, also I said, oh yeah, my Name is Luca. Right? And she was like, suzanne is so much more than that song.

[Rachel Dratch]

Well, you picked the hit. You picked the. You did pick the hit. I would have gone with a deep cut, like cracking Suzanne, if you're listening. I used to listen to Cracking on repeat on cassette tape 10,000 times when I was around 20 years old.

[Jeff Hiller]

She's also. I'm sitting at the.

[Rachel Dratch]

Just.

[Jeff Hiller]

I'm sitting on the.

[Rachel Dratch]

Oh, yeah, Tom Steiner.

[Jeff Hiller]

Yeah, Tom Steiner.

[Rachel Dratch]

That's the mega hit.

[Jeff Hiller]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Rachel Dratch]

All right, well, maybe now that I've plugged Suzanne Vega's work, she'll. Come on. Tell me about her direction with astral projection.

[Irene Bremes]

Yes.

[Rachel Dratch]

Oh, my God. Okay. Is there anything else you remember about the convo? Wait, I just thought of an interesting question as I just asked you one. She said she went home to visit San Antonio a lot. This is interesting. So you're home, but I guess you're watching people sleep. You don't get to sit down and have a meal with someone.

[Jeff Hiller]

But she said you just unlocked. You unlocked a memory. Because I said that too. I was like, so aren't they just sleeping if you're also sleeping? And she said, no, they project too. And so they meet on, like, I guess you can't sleep.

[Rachel Dratch]

She got the family pack.

[Irene Bremes]

The family that projects together stays together.

[Rachel Dratch]

She got the family pack, and they all meet on the astral plane.

[Jeff Hiller]

They have t mobile astral projection circles. Yeah. Cause I think both people have to be projecting in order to meet on the plane.

[Rachel Dratch]

Wow.

[Jeff Hiller]

I could be wrong about that. But I kind of get the feeling, you know what?

[Rachel Dratch]

No one's gonna fact check you on here. Whatever you say is true here. It's a safe space. We're holding space for astral projecting.

[Jeff Hiller]

Okay, good. I don't want legal to come after me.

[Rachel Dratch]

You know what I wonder, though? I wonder, like, is her family aware that they also astral project, or is it just like this? Like, are they conscious that they're astro projecting? Yeah. Are they rising up? Cause, like, she has. I don't know.

[Jeff Hiller]

And then I kept asking her questions about this, kind of like you're asking me. And she was really impatient with my questions at that point.

[Rachel Dratch]

She's like, I don't like talking to people on planes. Yeah. The tables turned. No, wait.

[Jeff Hiller]

I'm gonna teach you a lesson, and I'm gonna ask you some serious questions right now.

[Rachel Dratch]

Wait, she was getting impatient? Cause it was like, oh, ye mortal. Was it like, don't you know? Or was it like, okay, I remember

[Jeff Hiller]

being like, no, I Believe you? I'm just curious, but I got the vibe that she thought I didn't believe her.

[Rachel Dratch]

Okay, okay, maybe. Interesting.

[Irene Bremes]

Wow. She just wanted you to buy into that story, huh?

[Rachel Dratch]

I love the story though.

[Irene Bremes]

I do love the story even though it can't be corroborated at all.

[Rachel Dratch]

But I love chance encounter on a plane leads to lesson and astral projecting.

[Jeff Hiller]

Yeah.

[Rachel Dratch]

Story at 11.

[Jeff Hiller]

Suzanne Vega Appreciation Susan Vega Appreciation Club.

[Rachel Dratch]

It's a one time thing.

[Jeff Hiller]

I'm gonna go listen to Cracker Cracking.

[Irene Bremes]

Oh, you're cracker, sweetie.

[Rachel Dratch]

Cracking is a deep cut acoustic.

[Jeff Hiller]

I gotta say, like I did get a Suzanne Vega CD right after that, so. God, it must have been a really

[Rachel Dratch]

long time ago because it was a cd, right? Right. At least you know, CD I had a cassette tape, so that was even longer ago.

Well, we're talking a lot about astral projection on this episode. And how are you going to astral project if you can't fall asleep? I mean, it's really one of my top reasons why I want to get a good night's sleep so that I can visit family in other states.

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[Irene Bremes]

I want it to be true.

[Rachel Dratch]

Like, we haven't had much astro projection on here, so.

[Jeff Hiller]

Oh, yeah. Well, the two power gays brought it to you.

[Irene Bremes]

Oh, Rochester brought it, sweetie.

[Jeff Hiller]

Right?

[Rachel Dratch]

Two power gays brought us astral projection. And den. Did you. Not that you need to, because we have plenty, but did you have. Do you have some other story that you mentioned or.

[Jeff Hiller]

No, I just recently did a. What do you call it? Tarot reading.

[Rachel Dratch]

Oh, okay. I've had mixed results with that, with

[Jeff Hiller]

this woman who is really. I love her voice. She has a podcast. Her name is Rebecca Allman, and she calls it tarot.

[Rachel Dratch]

Oh, okay.

[Irene Bremes]

The real deal.

[Jeff Hiller]

I've heard some say tarot, but she said, I believe. Other people say tarot. I say tarot. And she's just this really cool woman from North Carolina, and she read my chart because I heard her on a podcast. And then I started listening to her podcast, which is, like. It's called, like, dawn by the river with Rebecca Allman. And it's really great. And so we just did a zoom reading, and she picked this card that was, like, meant to, like. It was just a card that was, like, meant to say what the session would be all about or whatever the general vibe of the session. And she picked it, and it had an animal on it, and the animal was a giraffe. And my mom's favorite animal was a giraffe. And she painted a giraffe on my nursery. And then I always wear giraffes as, like, homage to my mom. And then the card she picked was a giraffe, and it felt very, I don't know. Perfect. Yeah.

[Rachel Dratch]

Meaningful. Meaningful.

[Jeff Hiller]

And then the. She sent me the card and it was all about, like, basically loving yourself and stop being mean to yourself and to love yourself, which was, like, something that my mom said all the time. I guess that's pretty generic. I guess a lot of moms say that, but that was the other big.

[Rachel Dratch]

Well, most moms do.

[Jeff Hiller]

Yeah.

[Irene Bremes]

No, not all the mothers.

[Rachel Dratch]

It's true.

[Jeff Hiller]

That's true. That's true. She didn't know if I had a nice mom. She didn't even know if I had a mom. I mean, I guess everybody has a mom.

[Rachel Dratch]

I think that's pretty amazing. I've seen you with the giraffes on your clothes and stuff like that. Are you wearing geranimals? Jeff is always seen and matching giraffe. No, I've seen you, like, I think you were on a talk show and you had a giraffe.

[Jeff Hiller]

I did, yeah.

[Rachel Dratch]

But that's really kind of amazing.

[Jeff Hiller]

I know.

[Irene Bremes]

That's specific.

[Rachel Dratch]

I love that.

[Jeff Hiller]

Yeah, I thought that was really nice. And then the whole reading was like. Like, your shoulders are too high. Breathe more. Because I was breathing. Yeah, Bre, we can all use that breathing again.

[Rachel Dratch]

Working breathing.

[Jeff Hiller]

We get it.

[Rachel Dratch]

Listen, the breathing oxygen is important. We get it. We know. Oh, my God, I love it. Was there anything else to that?

[Irene Bremes]

Not that.

[Rachel Dratch]

That was. That was surely enough of a big moment. But were there any, like. Did she do. Does she do, like, predictions, or is it more like telling you where you're at at the time?

[Jeff Hiller]

Well, the prediction. It's more like something good will happen kind of a thing than like, you're gonna. On the 25th, you're gonna get whatever.

[Rachel Dratch]

Right.

Did she predict your show or. This was after the show.

[Jeff Hiller]

This is after the show.

[Rachel Dratch]

Okay. Okay.

[Jeff Hiller]

But I just read a book.

[Rachel Dratch]

Ooh, we're here to plug, baby, plug away, sweetie. What is your book and when does it come out?

[Jeff Hiller]

It comes out June. June 10, 2025.

[Rachel Dratch]

Oh, my gosh. Congratulations.

[Jeff Hiller]

Thank you. It's called Actress of a Certain Age.

[Rachel Dratch]

I love the title.

[Jeff Hiller]

My. That has a subtitle. It's like my 20 year journey to overnight success or something like that.

[Rachel Dratch]

I love it.

[Irene Bremes]

Oh, I love that.

[Jeff Hiller]

But I read my journals, my old journals, to help me remember what was happening in my life and stuff, because I was. I wrote like, different essays about different times in my life. And I did find a journal where I said if I could manifest anything, it would be a prestige drama comedy on hbo.

[Irene Bremes]

Whoa.

[Jeff Hiller]

That's kind of impressive, right?

[Rachel Dratch]

I'm frozen in case. Because I'm not speaking right now. My jaw is a gape, and I'm frozen. I literally froze with a hand in mid gesture.

[Jeff Hiller]

And I think that was in 2016 or 17. And then we booked the pilot. I booked the pilot in 2019, so it took a minute.

[Irene Bremes]

Oh, wow. That is manifesting.

[Rachel Dratch]

Let's just say this again. You wrote you wanted, like, a dramedy. What did you.

[Jeff Hiller]

Drama. Yeah, dramedy. I said a prestige dramedy. Prestige dramedy on hbo. But I specifically said hbo. Wow.

[Irene Bremes]

Okay. That's magic.

[Rachel Dratch]

I'm letting that land. I'm letting that land. Listeners, pull your cars over. Put it in park. Let it land. Take some breaths. Yes, I said it. Do some breathing. Take this in. This is what can happen to you, listeners. Write it down. Be specifically. You'll all be on a prestige dramedy on hbo. It's gonna happen for all of you. Everyone listening gets a dramedy on hbo.

[Jeff Hiller]

But I have to also warn you that there were other things that I also wanted that didn't come true.

[Irene Bremes]

We don't mention those.

[Rachel Dratch]

We don't need to hear about those.

[Jeff Hiller]

We don't talk about that.

[Rachel Dratch]

We talk about the ones that come true, Drew.

[Jeff Hiller]

Okay, that one did.

[Rachel Dratch]

I think that's amazing.

[Jeff Hiller]

Yeah, that one did.

[Rachel Dratch]

Very uplifting and affirming.

[Irene Bremes]

It is.

[Rachel Dratch]

And we.

[Irene Bremes]

We might have just not even talked about this had you not brought up your book, Jeff.

[Jeff Hiller]

Oh, yeah, my book is very important.

[Rachel Dratch]

Yeah, so your book. So everybody get Jeff's book. Are you going to read the audio version? I'm sure.

[Jeff Hiller]

Yes, I am.

[Rachel Dratch]

Fun. Okay, so in June, and then somebody somewhere. Where are we in that? Like that? That's out now. In the Is.

[Jeff Hiller]

Yeah, that's out now.

[Rachel Dratch]

But, you know, filming.

[Jeff Hiller]

It's. Yeah, we're done filming, and it's done. This is the last season. I know it's a bummer, but what are you going to do?

[Rachel Dratch]

Well, but you hit hard and you're.

[Jeff Hiller]

I'm going to go in. I'm going to go write in my journal right now.

[Rachel Dratch]

Put it in your next order. And now you are on the Mount Rushmore of Power Gaze. You're the fourth Mount Rushmore head on the Power Gaze. Yes, I've been.

[Jeff Hiller]

Zach Quinto might be more of a power gay than me. What about Neil Patrick Harris? Oh, I'm way not even in the top four.

[Rachel Dratch]

Well, in my Mount Rushmore, you're in the top four, honey. Okay, I'll take it. Well, Jeff, we do this pendulum reading, so think of a question. Yes or no?

[Jeff Hiller]

Is it okay if it's a little basic?

[Rachel Dratch]

Oh, yes, it's okay, because we don't want people to get sad.

[Jeff Hiller]

I get good.

[Irene Bremes]

Well, let me see something. I have.

[Rachel Dratch]

This is weird, but I have to tell you something weird, but the. The circles for Irene have changed directions. It was that a yes was clockwise and a no was counter. But we're testing. We're testing the waters.

[Irene Bremes]

What's a no? It's official.

[Rachel Dratch]

It's so weird.

[Irene Bremes]

I Don't know if counterclockwise is yes.

[Rachel Dratch]

This is so weird, but everything changed.

[Jeff Hiller]

Okay, what do you think that is?

[Rachel Dratch]

We don't know.

[Jeff Hiller]

Is it about the election?

[Irene Bremes]

Oh, how did you know? My Crystal's losing her fucking mind.

[Rachel Dratch]

Okay, no, we don't know. We don't know what happened.

[Jeff Hiller]

The world turned upside down.

[Rachel Dratch]

We're in Australia. That was a horrible accident.

[Jeff Hiller]

That's true. In the southern hemisphere, the. The toilets flush the other way too.

[Rachel Dratch]

I know. I don't know what it is, but it somehow it changed direction. Okay, so what's your question? Think on your question. Okay, let me know when you're ready to up.

[Jeff Hiller]

Okay, I'm ready.

[Irene Bremes]

Okay, here we go, Jeff. That's a yes.

[Rachel Dratch]

What did you ask?

[Irene Bremes]

Let's do a safety. Sorry? Rachel wants to abolish the safety, but I say the safety is a must. And that is a resounding yes, sweet boy. What is it?

[Rachel Dratch]

What was it? Will you astral project tonight?

[Jeff Hiller]

It's will I get health insurance next year?

[Rachel Dratch]

Okay, valid. There you go. Valid question. Valid question. Well, the answer is yes. Okay, good. Because in acting world, you have to have a certain. Is that why you're asking or just general. General government.

[Jeff Hiller]

Yeah, like SAG insurance is what I meant.

[Rachel Dratch]

Okay, Right. Okay. All right, well, that's good. Good news is Jeff has insurance for this.

[Jeff Hiller]

Because if I get a sinus infection,

[Rachel Dratch]

I know we need. But we need help.

[Irene Bremes]

It'll really fuck up your breathing, won't it, sweetie? And you need those exercises.

[Jeff Hiller]

I need to breathe. That's every. I mean, I hate it, but I do it.

[Rachel Dratch]

You do it. Well, Jeff, what about. And then what are your. What are your socials? Ew, no. No. What's your Instagram? You're not on TikTok, are you?

[Jeff Hiller]

My Instagram is Boom Boomhiller.

[Rachel Dratch]

All right, so Boom Boomhiller on Instagram. And there we have it.

[Jeff Hiller]

I think that's it.

[Rachel Dratch]

All right. Thank you so much. This was so fun.

[Irene Bremes]

Thank you so much.

[Jeff Hiller]

Thank you for having me. And thank you for the pendulum read.

[Rachel Dratch]

Of course.

And you can find me on Instagram @Ray Dratch. That's R A E Dratch. And you can find Irene at IreneBremis. That's B R E M I S Bremis. And thanks for listening. Thanks for joining me on this journey into the world of Woo Woo. Don't forget to rate, review and subscribe wherever you get your your podcasts. Woo Woo with Rachel Dratch is a Q Code production executive produced by David Henning. And Steve Wilson PRODUCED BY Alexa Gabriel Ramirez EDITED BY BEN MILCHEV.

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