Tom Coleman: The Vanishing Girl

Summary

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Woo Woo with Rachel Dratch

Episode Title: Tom Coleman: The Vanishing Girl
Release Date: July 1, 2026
Host: Rachel Dratch
Co-host: Irene Bremis
Guest: Tom Coleman (Writer, Filmmaker)

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Episode Overview

In this episode, comedian and host Rachel Dratch welcomes writer and filmmaker Tom Coleman to share his personal tale of the paranormal—a vivid encounter with a vanishing girl on a road in Virginia, and his subsequent investigation that took him all the way to the famous Duke Parapsychology Lab. The trio discusses haunted house etiquette, psychics, tarot readings, and the skepticism and wonder surrounding all things "woo woo." The conversation blends humor and curiosity, making for an engaging deep dive into one of the most memorable ghost stories the show has hosted.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Tom Coleman's Background and Approach to "Woo Woo"

(10:18 – 12:52)

• Tom introduces his upbringing in Buffalo, New York, and his career path: advertising, magazine editorial, commercial writing, and authorship.
• He’s a "skeptical, but open" personality—someone attracted to the idea of aliens and the supernatural, but who likes facts and explanations.
• Tom humorously describes his new book in progress—a “comedy of manners” novel, and references his previous works:
  • Guestiquette: A Handbook for Horrible House Guests
  • I Actually Wore This: Clothes I Can’t Believe I Bought

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2. Haunted House Etiquette

(03:44 – 05:22)

• Tom’s book Guestiquette includes a section on staying as a guest in a haunted house.

• Tom’s advice:

  “Never be a haunted house naysayer… If they say, ‘oh, if you see a girl in a diaphanous gown at the foot of your bed, that’s just Arabella,’ lean into it. Don’t tell them, ‘that’s ridiculous, you don’t have a ghost.’” (04:49)

• Rachel and Tom discuss the social contract of playing along and how the “ghost story” is often part of a host's pride.

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3. Personal Haunted Experiences

(05:32 – 08:20)

• Tom shares humorous ghost stories related to haunted locations in London and West Hampton (the former home of Addams Family cartoonist Charles Adams).
• Anecdote about thinking he saw a ghost in a shadow, only to realize it was a “coat and hat” in the dark—a nod to classic misidentifications in paranormal lore.

  “It was just like a raincoat and a hat, but it had the perfect shadow of a person.” (08:20)

• Rachel: “The old raincoat and hat ghost, that combo. That’s a category!” (08:20)

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4. On Psychics and Tarot Readers

(14:25 – 18:59 & 21:29 – 23:23)

• Tom describes going to a renowned NYC psychic who reads from photographs, not palms—she skips over "fake" photos of people Tom doesn't know.

  “She would zero in on someone in one of my photos, and she’s like, ‘Oh, this one’s trouble.’ And she’s right.” (15:38, Tom Coleman)

• Both Tom and Irene recall trips to “Zena,” the tarot reader at Raoul’s in SoHo.

  Irene: “She told me...if I wanted my career to skyrocket, I should move to LA. And I completely moved to Staten Island instead, sweetie. The most tragic mistake of my life.” (17:17, Irene Bremis)

• Rachel recounts her own bad tarot experience:

  “She told me...I was not going to get SNL, and she was right. I didn’t get it. I got it the next year.” (22:09, Rachel Dratch)

• Conversation about fear and skepticism of tarot, and upcoming show guests who are tarot readers.

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5. Tom's Main Story: The Vanishing Girl Ghost Sighting

(23:25 – 32:40)

Setting

• After a night out, Tom (hungover) and a friend are driving near Charlottesville, Virginia.
• They’d just seen "The Abyss" (James Cameron’s submarine-based sci-fi film)—water themes abound.

The Incident

• Tom sees a translucent girl in a white blouse and black skirt appear suddenly in front of the car as they’re driving, so vividly that he yells for his friend to stop, thinking they’ve hit someone.
• The apparition is described as “Marc Jacobs-y, well put together,” but no face is visible, and the car passes right through her:

  “She was like, smoked, and she flew over the top of the car.” (26:27, Tom Coleman)

Aftermath and Investigation

• No one else sees the girl, but Tom's shaken reaction disturbs his friend.

• Back in DC, Tom consults with colleagues at the Washingtonian magazine and is encouraged to call the Duke Parapsychology Lab to discuss the experience.

• The lab’s representative (a woman) conducts a methodical phone interview:

  “She suddenly went into, like, clinical mode…‘Did it take place near water or a bridge?’—it was—and then, ‘Are you the only or youngest child?’—I’m the youngest. ‘Did you have any chronic illnesses?’—I had asthma. And then she laughed and said, for some reason, they really like the youngest kid.” (27:19–28:30, Tom Coleman)

  “She said: ‘She was probably riding with you, and that was her getting out.’” (29:10, Tom Coleman)

• Rachel and Irene are delighted by the seriousness and detail of the parapsychology researchers, and by the idea of “rider ghosts.”

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6. The Science and Culture of Paranormal Experiences

(31:49 – 44:04)

• Tom tells the group about Duke’s parapsychology history and its rebranding as the Rhine Research Center.
• The group muses on how such institutions can approach these stories with a scientific process, yet are open to experiences without judgment.
• Discussion on the emotional reality of seeing something so vivid—you “feel it” in your body, which, as Rachel says, “makes it more real, for sure.” (43:55)
• Reflection on who is likely to believe (or dismiss) such stories, and how believers and doubters often self-sort in social settings.

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7. Pets & the Paranormal

(40:07 – 41:12)

• Tom asks if anyone has had stories of pets being possessed or involved with ghosts.
• Rachel: Only stories of dogs barking at invisible presences—nothing demonic or “Pet Sematary”-style.

Irene’s Pet Fear:

“The top reason why Irene doesn’t want a dog is because they [dogs] detect the supernatural and that’s what’s keeping her from having a dog.” (41:01, Rachel Dratch)

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8. Manifestation and Loved Ones Passed

(41:12 – 42:04)

• Tom shares a touching personal ritual:

  “My mother, who died probably like 15 years ago, I will…put her in charge of manifesting…somehow make it happen.” (41:26, Tom Coleman)

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9. The Pendulum Reading

(45:46 – 48:38)

• Rachel and Irene conduct their signature “pendulum reading” for Tom.
  • First question: Will Tom get a dog within the next year?

    Pendulum says yes! “Maybe one is going to cross your path.” (47:02, Rachel Dratch)

  • Second question: Will he go to Denmark to the beach this summer?

    Pendulum says no. “Maybe I can’t go because I get the dog and then I can’t.” (48:00, Tom Coleman)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Haunted House Host Etiquette:

  “Never be a haunted house naysayer.”
  (04:49, Tom Coleman)

• On Ghostly Misidentification:

  “It was just like a raincoat and a hat, but it had the perfect shadow of a person.”
  (08:20, Tom Coleman)

• On Seeing the Apparition:

  “She was, like, smoked, and she flew over the top of the car...well put together. And she flew over the car.”
  (26:27, Tom Coleman)

• Duke Parapsychology Lab’s Take:

  “She’s like, ‘Tell me exactly what happened.’ And I told her...and she started, sort of, like, side laughing…‘She was probably riding with you. And that was her getting out.’”
  (29:10, Tom Coleman)

• On the Validation of Paranormal Witnesses:

  “When you tell people a story like that you can instantly tell if they think you’re, like, an idiot or not.”
  (42:24, Tom Coleman)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 02:18: Show and guest introduction
• 03:44: Haunted house etiquette and Woo Woo guest rules
• 05:32: Haunted house experiences and the "coat and hat shadow"
• 10:18: Tom’s personal and professional background
• 12:52: Skepticism, openness, and beliefs about aliens
• 14:25: Visiting psychics (including Raoul’s Zena)
• 21:29: Rachel’s tarot story and tarot skepticism
• 23:25: Tom’s main ghost story setup
• 26:27: The vanishing girl appears
• 27:19: Consulting Duke Parapsychology
• 31:49: Reflections on the reality and science of woo woo
• 40:07: Discussion about pets and the paranormal
• 41:12: Manifestation and asking for help from the departed
• 45:46: Pendulum reading for Tom

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Tone & Style

The episode maintains a playful, curious tone—balancing skepticism and belief with comedic flair. Rachel and Irene foster an open, non-judgmental environment—welcoming all stories wholeheartedly. Tom’s dry wit and storytelling keep the conversation lively and self-aware.

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Summary for New Listeners

If you’ve never listened to Woo Woo, this episode is a perfect entry point: it features a blend of humor, introspection, and genuine curiosity about the paranormal. Tom Coleman’s chilling and intriguing “vanishing girl” story anchors the episode, but listeners are also treated to practical advice on haunted house etiquette, psychic tales, discussions of belief vs. doubt, and the comfort of sharing one’s strangest experiences with a friendly, nonjudgmental crowd. Fans of both comedy and ghost stories will find much to enjoy.

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Transcript

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[Tom Coleman]

Hello, Susan.

[Rachel Dratch]

Today we're joined by writer and filmmaker Tom Coleman and he has a Woo Woo story. He is a writer of a couple books. One of them is called Guestiquette, a Handbook for Horrible House Guests, in which I understand there's a bit of Woo Woo Etiquette rules. And then another book before that called I actually Wore this Clothes. I can't believe I Bought and working on a new book now, as I understand. Please say hello to Tom Coleman. Hi, Tom.

[Tom Coleman]

Hello, Irene. Hello, Rachel. Thank you for having me.

[Rachel Dratch]

Hi. Thanks for being here.

[Tom Coleman]

And, yes, I'm doing well. I'm here in very hot London, where this morning I thought it was like 96, and I thought I was going insane because I couldn't hear the birds. There were no birds. And that's normally a loud chatter of birds. And so then I googled, do birds react to hot weather? And they do. They go silent in the heat.

[Rachel Dratch]

We're starting with a doubter.

[Irene Bramis]

Wow.

[Tom Coleman]

Because. No, they're saving energy. They're saving energy because they don't sweat.

[Rachel Dratch]

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[Tom Coleman]

Yes, it'll work. Yeah. So my book, Guestiquette, which is a funny book, but also useful in terms of how to navigate being a houseguest, whether you're in the country or in the city, or how to deal with fellow houseguests you don't particularly like, or how to deal with kids and dogs, or how to, if you have bad behavior on your own end, how to recover from that. If you break something or start a fight, it sort of gives you practical but fun advice. And so part of that I go into if you're staying at someone's house that happens to be haunted, which is woo woo related.

[Rachel Dratch]

Yes. And I know you have like a woo woo story story, but also regarding this guest ticket. So I know it's kind of a humorous book, but maybe based in actual advice. So do you actually have haunted house advice for people staying in haunted house?

[Tom Coleman]

The thing is, with haunted houses, if people bring it up, they obviously are into the fact that their house is haunted.

[Rachel Dratch]

Right.

[Tom Coleman]

So never be a haunted house naysayer.

[Rachel Dratch]

That's good.

[Tom Coleman]

Because if they're like, oh, if you see a girl in a diapolis gown at the foot of your bed, you know, that's just Arabella, you know, our ghost Arabella. And so they obviously want. So you can decide how much you want to lean into it. You can be like, oh, yeah, I heard something. Or if at breakfast you can sort of like, give a full woo woo experience that you've encountered in the night. So it's up to you, but never tell them, you know, that's ridiculous. You don't have a ghost.

[Rachel Dratch]

Well, I feel like our listeners would buy into the ghost and probably maybe even want the experience. But before your story, have you ever been in a haunted house situation?

[Tom Coleman]

Really haunted? Well, I was at a pub in London, and I asked the barmaid where the bathroom was, and she said, I was right down there, down the stairs. And as I was walking away, she said, oh, be careful, love. And there's a ghost who likes to push people down the stairs.

[Rachel Dratch]

Okay. So we had Leah DeLaria on, and she tells a story of being pushed at a bar in Provincetown. There's a ghost in this bar in Provincetown. And Leah swears she was pushed down the stairs. Now, I asked how much she had been drinking that night, but Leah insists a ghost pushed her down the stairs.

[Tom Coleman]

So maybe the British goes summers in province. Maybe that's how it's the same ghost who travels.

[Rachel Dratch]

But that must be a thing. Ghosts who push people downstairs.

[Tom Coleman]

It's kind of easy, too, I guess. Yeah. So that's my. In terms of haunted house factor.

[Rachel Dratch]

Right.

[Tom Coleman]

I've had it where I thought there was, and then it turned out to be nothing. I was staying. Friends of mine had rented this big, dilapidated old house in West Hampton, and it turned out to be Charles Adams house. The cartoonist.

[Rachel Dratch]

Oh, yeah.

[Tom Coleman]

Which, of course, we went up and went through the attic and found, like, old cartoons of his that, like, he hadn't. It was really, really. And like, they just left them, like, big old sketch pads. And he had, like. Like, the drawing. And then he would have, like, four possible lines. And there was. There was one which I loved, which was the. It was like Yankee Stadium, and flying saucers were landing on the field, and everyone in the stadium was fleeing. And the caption was just, that's the ball game, folks.

[Rachel Dratch]

That's so cool that you've just found those things.

[Tom Coleman]

Yeah. So because of that, we were sort of prone to thinking maybe there's. He had, like, a huge mural drawn, too, like, on a wall of all of his characters. Really cool. But the house was kind of, you know, in disrepair, but the drawings were still there. I was staying in, like, this very large room, and a friend was on one end in a bed, and I was on the other end on the other side of the room. And I thought I saw something behind the door. So I was going back and forth, like, is it. Could it be anything? And I didn't want to, like, wake up someone if they. If there was nothing there. So I was like, calm down. Look. His name was Tom, my friend. And he looked, and he was like, agreed, like, there's something there. So he was like. We had, like, sign language coordinating what we would do. I would flick on the light and then he would react and throw the door. And we did and I flicked on the light. He flew the door and it was just like a raincoat and a hat, but it had the perfect shadow of a person.

[Rachel Dratch]

The old raincoat and hat ghost, that combo. That is a combo, a common combo, off and off. And so it makes us stout doubt Ghost Stories was it just a coat is a whole category. Yeah.

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[Rachel Dratch]

So Tom, so tell us just a little bit about your background, like where did you grow up and how did you get into the whole writing thing?

[Tom Coleman]

I grew up in Buffalo, New York.

[Rachel Dratch]

Okay. And then nothing to say about Buffalo. I've never been. I've been maybe once. I have no associations to share on Buffalo, but go ahead.

[Tom Coleman]

It has snow, but it's not that cold. Yes, Go Bills. People now say Go Bills instead of saying hello. It's a thing. It's a greeting anyhow, so then I First worked in advertising, but my first job, which comes into play in my Woo Woo story was at the City Magazine of Washington D.C. the Washingtonian, which is like New York magazine but for Washington D.C. things. And then I worked in advertising in Chicago at a big scary agency and big scary agency in New York and made commercials and did that for a number of years and then worked with MTV and then started writing books. And now I'm here with you.

[Rachel Dratch]

Okay. And can you talk about what book you're working on now?

[Tom Coleman]

I'm working on a novel now.

[Rachel Dratch]

Oh, wow.

[Tom Coleman]

Because I've never done that before, which is scary. Scarier than. Because the first two books. The. The first book took a long time because it was portraits of. Well, the title was I actually wore this clothes I can't believe I bought. So it was portraits of 80 famous and not famous people wearing the worst thing in their closet.

[Rachel Dratch]

Ooh.

[Tom Coleman]

And then there were stories that accompany it. So Molly Shannon was one of the people in the book. And John Delaney was in the book too, which is. He wore a jazz T shirt that he. He said he never understood why he had it. So I did that. And then the book now is a funny novel. A comedy of manners, as my book agent lady called it that.

[Rachel Dratch]

And that's why you have to be in London to write this. Of course you had to read research.

[Tom Coleman]

It's all about research. It's all about research.

[Rachel Dratch]

Yes. You wouldn't be able to write that here.

[Tom Coleman]

And you're absolutely.

[Rachel Dratch]

Regular old apartment.

[Tom Coleman]

Exactly.

[Rachel Dratch]

We have to take these advantages when they present themselves. So tell us about your. Your Woo story. Your story back in the day. Let me just preface also, like, how are you as a person before this?

[Tom Coleman]

Interesting. I like, I'm open to it, but I don't necessarily think that it's like, you know, everything is real. I would like. I think aliens would be really good. I'm very in the versus the standard supernatural. I would like aliens, but nice aliens. Like the aliens in the Amy Adams arrival movie who came to help us remember the pods? I love the pods that come down. And then we all have to learn to get to work together.

[Rachel Dratch]

Isn't it weird how. How like we've been talking about aliens for so long, like since, you know, whatever. When you're little, you see all the movies and all this stuff and now like the actual government is saying they exist.

[Irene Bramis]

Exactly.

[Rachel Dratch]

There's all this supposed footage, but I just feel so overwhelmed by everything else that I'm just. I'm shelving any alien interest. Like we're so numb that then we see that there's aliens and no one's even talking about it.

[Irene Bramis]

We don't care.

[Tom Coleman]

I know I've sort of Googled, but I can't really find what kind of aliens they are.

[Rachel Dratch]

Yeah. It's all very vague, and yet.

[Tom Coleman]

Is it just lights in the sky or are they, like.

[Rachel Dratch]

Yeah, I have no idea.

[Irene Bramis]

There's lights in Duane Reed with you.

[Tom Coleman]

Yeah, I don't.

[Irene Bramis]

There's lights in the skies and there's also, like, artifacts that they found about it. But anyway, you're right. We're numb, sweetie. Bottom line. I mean, we're having congressional hearings and we don't care. People testify.

[Rachel Dratch]

Exactly.

[Irene Bramis]

Any.

[Rachel Dratch]

We don't have the bandwidth for aliens. But anyway. Okay. Sorry. That was my diatribe.

[Tom Coleman]

So. Yeah. But I. I have. I've been to a psychic.

[Rachel Dratch]

Oh.

[Tom Coleman]

I got that as. I got this as a present. Someone gave me going to a psychic as a present. And she was in this, like, high rise on the. In the 90s by Second Avenue. And it was real. It was all, like, pink velour apartment. I just remember it was really hot. And she had, like, a receptionist in her apartment. I was. It was. Yeah. I was very. I didn't understand that. And she had her, like, scrapbook on the table so you could look through and see. And she. Because Vanity Fair had done an article on her because she was. She was Klaus von Bulow's, like. Which I was impressed by.

[Rachel Dratch]

Wait, do we know her name or do you remember?

[Tom Coleman]

No, I forget her name.

[Rachel Dratch]

Okay.

[Tom Coleman]

But the thing. Her thing is her way of reading, which was sort of. I've never saw before. You were instructed to bring photographs before you went. So you brought a bunch of photographs, and then you put them in front of her. And then she would comment on the people and to try and test her. I brought people kind of a few ringers I didn't know and put them in the mix to see what she was saying, and she skipped over them.

[Irene Bramis]

Whoa.

[Rachel Dratch]

That's pretty cool.

[Tom Coleman]

And she was like, sort of. She would zero like if it was a group picture. And, like, she zeroed in on someone in one of my photos, and she's like, oh, this one's trouble. And she's right. Yeah. So I didn't know if she was just good at picking up, like, you

[Rachel Dratch]

know, face reading, whatever you're.

[Tom Coleman]

Exactly. But she was. She was pretty good at that kind of stuff.

[Rachel Dratch]

Did she predict anything, or was she not that kind of person?

[Tom Coleman]

Like, she wasn't really a predictor she was more sort of like. It was. It seemed more like she. If you had questions, she would answer those about people in the photos. But she wasn't. But she was good. I liked her. She didn't. And the thing is, when we left, the receptionist lady who was out there said she was like, you two were laughing. She's like, most people are always crying in there. But you two were laughing, which I thought was a good thing.

[Rachel Dratch]

That's good. Yeah.

[Tom Coleman]

Yeah.

[Rachel Dratch]

And then did you say you also went to some other.

[Tom Coleman]

Oh, I said, I like the. Did you ever go to the psychic at Raul's?

[Rachel Dratch]

No. So Raul's.

[Tom Coleman]

Xena. She's at the top of the stairs.

[Irene Bramis]

I did. Yep.

[Rachel Dratch]

I did.

Raul's is the restaurant in soho, right?

[Tom Coleman]

Right. Yes.

[Rachel Dratch]

Am I getting that right? Okay. And they have a psychic at the top of the stairs.

[Irene Bramis]

Yes. Yeah.

[Tom Coleman]

She's always sitting there, right by the bathroom. So I think she's maybe only like their Friday, Saturday, Sunday. And she's. But it was great because you could, like, while you're waiting for the bathroom, you're like, all right, I can. I think she did tarot cards. There's a tarot card.

[Irene Bramis]

It was tarot cards. Yep. I can't believe you're bringing her up.

[Rachel Dratch]

Tell us about. Tell us about your experience. Did you remember it?

[Irene Bramis]

I can't believe, Tom, that you're bringing up Xena. Because I went for my birthday party and I got a reading from her, and she told me that if I wanted my career to skyrocket, I should move to la. And I completely moved to Staten island instead. Sweetie. The most tragic mistake of my life. Yeah. And she was telling me that I was going to get married, which I didn't think I was at the time, so she was accurate. But the only thing. Everything was. I remember everything was spot on, except for she really heavily encouraged me to move to LA for my career, and I didn't do that.

[Rachel Dratch]

Do you remember other things she said besides the married thing, or was it a long time ago?

[Irene Bramis]

Well, no, it was a very long time ago. She said that I was gonna get married. She also told me that I was having problems at home with a male family member. I mean, it seems vague, but at the time, I was having a lot of problems with my brother, who's autistic. There was a lot of issues with him, behavioral problems and stuff that we were very concerned about. And what else did she tell me?

[Tom Coleman]

Oh.

[Irene Bramis]

Oh. And at the time, I was with a guy that I didn't marry. And she told me he was not good for me at all. And she was absolutely right about that one, sweetie. She nailed that. He was a destructive and he had a good heart, but he. He was an alcoholic, so she brought that up. Yeah. So that's all I remember. Yeah, she brought all that stuff up.

[Rachel Dratch]

Now, Tom, I'll ask you your story in a sec, but is she still there? Do we know?

[Tom Coleman]

I think she is, yeah. And she had this little corner and she would bring her own food and I remember would eat a Lean Cuisine

[Rachel Dratch]

while she didn't get the staff meal.

[Tom Coleman]

They wouldn't eat a Lean Cuisine while she did your reading, which I always enjoy.

[Rachel Dratch]

Raul is a very tough reservation to get in this town. So I'm just letting you know that. But.

[Tom Coleman]

But bring your own lame cuisine.

[Rachel Dratch]

You bring your own Lean Cuisine. Sit outside and go up the stairs if you dare. Wait, so tell me. Did you have a reading with her? Tom too?

[Tom Coleman]

I did, but I can't really remember. I was more. I was more anxious to get to the bathroom. I don't really don't remember what she was telling me. But yeah, everybody seemed to have. They've gone to Raul's. Has gone to Xena.

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So little sidebar about tarot. I haven't done tarot very much. Irene knows this. I got like a bad prediction in tarot, but so I'm a little scared of tarot. But I do remember as now that we're telling the story, I went to there was like a little psychic fair in Chicago when I was living there and and I was about to audition for SNL and it was a young reader. And anyway, she told me that was my question. Am I gonna get snl? She told me, no, I'm not gonna get it. But so of course that was a bummer. Cause I was about to go to the audition next week and that's a lesson. Don't ask anything you really care about. Don't do it. That's what we tell our Pendulum people.

[Irene Bramis]

Oh my gosh.

[Rachel Dratch]

But here's the thing. She was right. I didn't get it. I got it the next year. So on this audition, I did not get it. So.

[Irene Bramis]

But did she plant a seed though? We don't know, sweetie.

[Rachel Dratch]

No, I think I did a really good audition. Like the second year was a lesser. I didn't like my audition as much anyway. I thought I did the best I could, but she was right. I didn't get it. So anyway, that's a little sidebar.

[Tom Coleman]

Tarot card readers sort of scare me because it seems like ancient and mystical. Kind of. That's why. Yeah, right. Because it seems like the cards are sort of spooky looking.

[Rachel Dratch]

But then it's so much is up to interpretation. Cause you're like at the mercy of the interpreter sort of, you know, like they have to kind of turn those things into facts. That's what I Don't understand about tarot. I think we're gonna have a tarot person on soon, though, right, Irene?

[Irene Bramis]

Yes, we actually got another one too. We have Audrey. And then I went to see a show with Craig Chester yesterday and he hooked me up with a tarot reader as well.

[Rachel Dratch]

Okay, we have tarot on deck. No pun intended. Good luck, sweetie. Okay. All right. So, Tom, so those were your psychic sort of run ins. Yes, Gotcha. And then tell us about this ghostly.

[Tom Coleman]

My ghostly woo woo experience. Yeah, Well, I was visiting. I was living in Washington, D.C. after college, and I went down to visit a friend who lived outside of Charlottesville, Virginia.

[Rachel Dratch]

And Very haunted. Very haunted location.

[Tom Coleman]

Yes, yes. And well known. And the. And we had gone out the night before, so I was. So that's part of the asterisk to this story is that I was severely hungover during this sighting. So that could explain how this all happened.

[Rachel Dratch]

We'll allow it. We'll allow it.

[Tom Coleman]

So we decided after having the big night where we'll just go to the movies, so we went to see James Cameron's the Abyss. Do you remember the Abyss?

[Irene Bramis]

Yes, yes.

[Tom Coleman]

That was with Ed Harris. And they're in a submarine and then they get stuck and then there's kind of water beings that are sort of like thwarting them. There's like a water based lady. You remember that?

[Irene Bramis]

Yes, I do.

[Rachel Dratch]

Sidebar. Sidebar. I'm a person that hasn't seen every movie you should have seen, and this is a sidebar. People get. People get angry at me when I tell them the movies I haven't seen. So no, I have not seen the Abyss, nor did I see the movie you mentioned earlier. But I tried to fake my way through that part. The Amy Adams, the Arrival. Haven't seen that.

[Tom Coleman]

Oh, that's a great one. Yeah. See that?

[Rachel Dratch]

People get freaking angry when they hear the classics I have not seen. So anyway, that's a sidebar for future guests. But so the Abyss.

[Tom Coleman]

I will not mention any more movies.

[Rachel Dratch]

No, please do. But is that the one with Nicole Kidman?

[Tom Coleman]

No, no, no, that's the. What's her name? Mary Elizabeth Mastriantonia.

[Rachel Dratch]

Okay.

[Irene Bramis]

Yes, exactly. That name is a hand as a mouthful. Yeah, she was very good.

[Rachel Dratch]

Okay. All right.

[Tom Coleman]

And so they were stuck at the bottom of the ocean and they couldn't get back up. And they were like. And because these water creatures were messing with the wires. But then they make friends, I think, with the wire. We saw that.

[Rachel Dratch]

So wait, one. One little. Sorry, One little thing. So you're Hungover. And you just saw a movie with water creatures in it, right?

[Tom Coleman]

Yeah.

[Rachel Dratch]

And. Go on.

[Tom Coleman]

Yeah.

[Rachel Dratch]

Prone to visions. Okay.

[Tom Coleman]

Yes. Asterisk. Asterisk. So we're driving back, and as we're driving, you know how if there's something out your peripheral vision, you see, and, like, you're like, but we're driving. So I'm like, how can something be out the window? So I was. It happened like, two or three times. And as my friend was talking, and I looked over him, and then I looked up in front and in front of the car, maybe, like, was a girl, and the car. But she was, like, translucent, and the car, like, went shoom through her, and she was, like, smoked. And she flew over the top of the car, and she was, like, in, like, a white blouse and black skirt and had hair. I couldn't see a face. She was sort of a Marc Jacobs Y ghost, sort of, like, well put together. And she flew over the car. And then I freaked. I was like, you hit the girl?

[Irene Bramis]

The girl.

[Rachel Dratch]

You hit the girl?

[Tom Coleman]

And so he slammed on the brakes, and he's like, what are you talking about? I'm like, no. And I was like, not making sense. And I was like, the girl on the road. And so he stopped, and we stopped, and it was looked and there was no girl. But I was, like, overreacting for what had just happened. So then I was like, all right, this is sort of plays into the hangover and water. Water things maybe. So then we went back to his family's house, and I started telling the story again, and I started getting all worked up, like, it was, like, staying with me. So I was like, this is strange. So then I was like, I needed to know more. So when I went back to Washington, I was working, as I said, at the City magazine there, and I was, like, an editorial assistant, and I was telling the people at the magazine. And there was one writer said, well, why don't you call the Duke parapsychology lab?

[Rachel Dratch]

Ooh.

[Tom Coleman]

And I was like, what? And he was like, yeah, Duke has a parapsychology lab. They've had it forever. So in 1930s, Duke started this, like, serious exploration of parapsychology and paranormal phenomena. So they had had it within, under the university, but then it had moved, like, in a building outside. But it was still adjacent and still part of the whole community. So I wanted to talk to them, but I was like, how do I just call and want to, you know, get information? So I was like, all right, I'll pretend I'm A serious journalist who's doing a story about White House ghosts. And then I'll wiggle my way into my story. So I called and they gave me to a couple people and I got this very lovely woman who started talking to me and I was asking, I did the White House ghost thing and she was saying, oh, she gave me sustain a thing. And then I said, well, I had sort of an experience of my own. And she suddenly changed. She suddenly went into like clinical mode and she started asking questions. She's like where did this take place? Did it take place near a water or a bridge? And I was like actually yeah, it was near a bridge. And she's like. Then she started asking about myself. She's like are you the only or youngest child? And I'm like actually I'm the youngest. And she said, did you ever have any chronic illnesses as a child? And I was like well actually I had asthma. And she was like. And she started laughing. She's like that. For some reason they really liked the youngest kid. She said, and little kids who sort of like had like not you know, horrible illness but illnesses that. She said that they're more like open and vulnerable. And I was like. And so she said, tell me exactly what happened. And I told her how I had the peripheral thing. And she started sort of like side laughing. And I'm like why, why is that funny? She said oh she was probably riding with you. And that was her getting out. When you saw her at the. Which totally freaked me out. She was like oh yeah, she was probably. She's like. And then she got out and that's when you saw her in the car. And I was like that's insane. But she was really like serious into the, you know, like listening to the story and then the. I then looked at the Duke parasite and they're really like, they were like pioneers in terms of the whole serious exploration of anything paranormal.

[Irene Bramis]

Wow.

[Rachel Dratch]

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So you talk to this woman from Duke and there was no sort of like, doubt. There was no, she was. They're just accepting, yes, this is a thing.

[Tom Coleman]

Yes. Yeah, there was no, you know, it was like, yeah, all right. It was like no big deal. And she was more in terms of like trying to find out the specifics of, of what transpired. And then I tried to look into the location where it actually happened to see if there was any like, like any disturbances. And there was because you were saying before how Virginia was a big, the colonial world was very big into the whole supernatural. And there were things near in that area where there were people who were investigated for being witches and stuff like that, which could explain the outfit. But it was very interesting and I was glad I did call.

[Rachel Dratch]

Wow.

[Irene Bramis]

Yes. I love when Rachel. Yes. Irene.

[Rachel Dratch]

The chair. The chair.

[Irene Bramis]

The chair recognizes Irene. Okay, first of all, did your friend see this at all like you said he was driving?

[Tom Coleman]

No, no, he didn't see it because he was like driving and talking to me. But he did react because I freaked out so much that it wasn't like normal behavior, so that he did pay attention when I freaked. But no, he didn't see anything. And there was no marks on the car or anything. And it was really quick. It wasn't like she was like walking and waving or anything. She was just in front and then zoom over the top and like. And was like. If you put your hand through smoke, that kind of thing.

[Irene Bramis]

Wow.

[Tom Coleman]

But then that, like, to the point that I just seen a scary movie and so if you had to poke holes. Yes.

[Rachel Dratch]

We never do.

[Irene Bramis]

We never do. Your story is as real as I.

[Rachel Dratch]

We believe it. All for the same.

[Tom Coleman]

If there was another explanation for it. I was totally open.

[Rachel Dratch]

Right.

[Tom Coleman]

It was just very strange. And then I felt validated by the. The lady.

[Irene Bramis]

Right.

[Rachel Dratch]

I was gonna say that's interesting. The whole thing about, like, were you the youngest? That's like such. She just sort of has her checklist. Very matter of fact, I didn't. I've never heard that. Youngest are more prone.

[Tom Coleman]

Youngest and only exciting. It's. Yeah.

[Rachel Dratch]

Only.

Wow.

[Tom Coleman]

Yeah. Well, that's like in the Sixth Sense, remember? Like.

[Irene Bramis]

Yes.

[Rachel Dratch]

Oh, yeah. Yes.

[Tom Coleman]

Little. I see dead people. Yeah.

[Rachel Dratch]

Yes.

[Tom Coleman]

He was an only. Yeah. And sickly. Wasn't he sickly?

[Irene Bramis]

I don't know if he was sickly, but you're right. Oh, maybe he was, actually.

[Rachel Dratch]

I mean, I did see that movie.

[Tom Coleman]

See, There you go.

[Rachel Dratch]

See the Sixth Sense. Everybody get off my case.

[Irene Bramis]

I could see that.

[Rachel Dratch]

I've seen it.

[Irene Bramis]

You're chiming in with some serious facts, sweetie. We're acknowledging this. We're acknowledging this. If anything, you put the fear of God in me that there could be a carjacking ghost. Because I drive a lot at night and you tell yourself, like, oh, my gosh, you know, like, did I see something? Did I not see something? You know? But if you see something that specific and you seem quite sane, sweetie, I'm going to say we 100% believe your story. And it wasn't just.

[Rachel Dratch]

We always do. That's a guarantee when you come on the show, we are going to believe your story. There's times when someone says something, and I'm like, thinking like, that sounds like it could have been the wind. But I'm like, yeah. For the. Like, they've come on the show. I. I'm gonna be like, huh. That was definitely.

[Tom Coleman]

And if you said that was the wind, it would be over real fast.

[Rachel Dratch]

We need to indulge the. The possibilities here.

[Tom Coleman]

That was the win. Otherwise, there's no.

[Rachel Dratch]

That was a coat with a hat on top of it. Moving on. Yeah.

[Tom Coleman]

Yeah. Can you now say, am I gonna hear another coat with a hat story?

[Irene Bramis]

Yeah.

[Rachel Dratch]

We can't have more of those. No, that was. That was a good one. I like that you called the Parapsychology department.

[Tom Coleman]

Yeah, it's now called. I actually looked it up. It's now got a. Oh, yeah. Oh, they gave it a new name. It's now called the Rhine Research Center.

[Rachel Dratch]

All right.

[Irene Bramis]

We love a little science.

[Rachel Dratch]

Yeah, we gotta get on the case, talk to someone from there. That'd be a good person to hunt down. Do you have any other. That was a great story, by the way.

[Irene Bramis]

That was great.

[Rachel Dratch]

This is just grab bagging, but do you have any other, like, experiences or like. But like, did you ever go, like a weird massage? I mean, sometimes we have like someone who went to Reiki and went to another dimension or whatever, but that's not required.

[Tom Coleman]

I sort of fade clear with one dimension. Yeah, yeah. That's how I like to have a joke dimension.

[Rachel Dratch]

You ever get a weird massage? That's how I start the show.

[Tom Coleman]

That and then doubting people and saying it's the win. That's all you go to. Right.

[Rachel Dratch]

And those are my two lines of questions.

[Tom Coleman]

And I think it was the wind.

[Rachel Dratch]

Yeah. Oh, my gosh.

[Irene Bramis]

The.

[Rachel Dratch]

Yeah.

[Tom Coleman]

In terms of, like, spooky. No, but I do love the. The spooky podcast. I am like a fan of spooky podcast. Like the. I like the. Have you ever listened to Rainn Wilson's podcast?

[Rachel Dratch]

Oh, the one where he makes the. Oh, he takes a real life story and then kind of like.

[Tom Coleman]

Yeah, but the stories. What's great about it is that real people tell the story.

[Rachel Dratch]

Yes, actually, I did. I did a voice, a voice one. Because he had like a substitute. The video store person.

[Tom Coleman]

Radio rental. It's called Radio rental.

[Rachel Dratch]

That is a good one, actually. Yeah, yeah. The.

[Tom Coleman]

The stories. Some of the stories are really good and creepy. Yeah. Yes. And the. And hearing the actual people tell the story.

[Rachel Dratch]

Yes, exactly.

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[Tom Coleman]

we had any people with pets of Pat? Yeah, like that. The Pats have been not possessed. But wait, I just wondered if that.

[Rachel Dratch]

No, we haven't. Is that a thing too?

[Irene Bramis]

Not pets that have seen like ghosts though, but not possessed? God, no. God no.

[Tom Coleman]

Yeah.

[Rachel Dratch]

Oh yeah. The only thing we had, our very first episode with Kevin Cahoon, there was a ghost and the dog, the dog would bark in the corner like where. Where they saw the ghost. That's our only thing. We didn't have possessed pet though. No, never Heard of a story of a possessed?

[Tom Coleman]

No, I was just wondering. I felt like pets, Pet cemetery kind of thing.

[Rachel Dratch]

Right, right, right, right.

[Irene Bramis]

Oh, I see. Where. Going scary? No, thank God. We have not had that.

[Rachel Dratch]

But Irene is scared. This is. In our first episode. Irene admitted the reason. The top reason why Irene doesn't want a dog is because they detect the supernatural and that's what's keeping her from having a dog. Right, Irene?

[Irene Bramis]

That's right. Some people like having their head buried in the sand and not seeing a ghost. Okay. And I don't need a little dog or a baby pointing it out to me, so I'm terrified. So, yes, terrified.

[Rachel Dratch]

Oh, here's another question. Did you ever have something that you manifested, like something that you. I don't know if you believe in, you know, putting it out in the universe and then the thing happens or whatever? Have you? Because sometimes as a creative person, this is sort of.

[Tom Coleman]

I know this seems. My mother, who died probably like 15 years ago, I will, like, put her in charge of manifesting.

[Rachel Dratch]

Oh, I like that.

[Tom Coleman]

I'll be like, oh, hey, Mom, I want this act, you know, like, I need to do this and have something happen. And then I'll tell her to go, somehow make it happen.

[Rachel Dratch]

Wow.

[Tom Coleman]

And she's. She's done pretty well. Coming through. But it's like, yeah, I'm like, I don't say it's going to happen. It's going to happen. I'll put it in her hands and say, see what you can do.

[Rachel Dratch]

Oh, I like that.

[Irene Bramis]

I love that.

[Tom Coleman]

And then you get a little surprise, too. And it's like, oh, thanks. See?

[Rachel Dratch]

Yeah. Oh, that's nice.

[Tom Coleman]

Mom is still looking out for you.

[Rachel Dratch]

Yeah, that's. That's sweet.

[Irene Bramis]

Very sweet.

[Rachel Dratch]

Irene, do you have any other questions? You know we do a pendulum reading, right?

[Irene Bramis]

We do a pendulum reading.

[Rachel Dratch]

But, Irene, do you have any other questions?

[Irene Bramis]

Well, I'm trying to think. My only question was, did your friend see the ghost?

[Tom Coleman]

No, there was no. I was the only one. But you also, when you tell people a story like that kind of thing, you can instantly tell if they think you're, like, an idiot or not.

[Rachel Dratch]

Totally.

[Irene Bramis]

Right.

[Rachel Dratch]

See the skepticism, the doubters, you know?

[Tom Coleman]

Yeah. That's why. And you sort of quickly abbreviate the story because, you know, they have no interest in it.

[Rachel Dratch]

That's a great point. And actually, because I've had some weird things happen, and I'm kind of selective about who I tell because. Except for, of course, being on this podcast now, I tell everybody, everyone before that. But I'm selective because, like, it's not fun to tell someone who's like a brick wall and just like, yucks your yum about this great, cool thing that happened. Like, it's fun to tell someone who goes, like, no way. You know, so you got to look out for the true non believers. Yeah.

[Tom Coleman]

Or else you can just quickly just say, oh, yeah, maybe it was the win.

[Irene Bramis]

Maybe it was the win.

[Rachel Dratch]

Yeah, totally. That you back off your own fun and beliefs.

Yeah.

Yeah. But.

[Irene Bramis]

But also, I think the visceral reaction that you had, you were, like, really shaken up. I think that in itself. I mean.

[Rachel Dratch]

Yeah, Irene, that's a good point, because the body will keep the score, as we know. But, like, if you feel something in your body, like, even chills, like, when you have a good idea and you get chills, I think that's like, very telling. Like, if you're telling someone an idea and you get chills during it, I feel like that's some sort of, like, I don't know, Spidey sense. Reinforcement of good stuff for a chill.

[Tom Coleman]

Yeah, I agree. It's, like, involuntary. So. Yes.

[Rachel Dratch]

And so just as, like, the fear of seeing something, I feel like that that makes it more real, for sure.

[Irene Bramis]

Oh, it makes. It definitely makes it real.

[Rachel Dratch]

There. We've. We've. We've solved the case. I mean, no, I've added science into it because I'm attaching it to a physical reaction.

[Irene Bramis]

Yeah.

[Rachel Dratch]

Get me to Duke immediately.

[Tom Coleman]

You could be. Maybe be in residence there.

[Rachel Dratch]

I'll be in residence, yeah. Summer residency, Irene.

[Irene Bramis]

Yes, yes, we're doing a residency.

[Rachel Dratch]

When you were talking, was there any discussion of White House ghosts or did that just get through the door?

[Tom Coleman]

He was like, really? Sort of like, yeah, this one. It was like the Lincoln Bedroom, I think she said is supposedly haunted. But she wasn't really. She was just giving, like, the press release, sort of like what you're supposed to say, and she sort of came alive when we got to talking about a specific personal.

[Rachel Dratch]

Okay. And I'm going to jump on the gun of what Irene's about to say. And we know it's haunted now, sweeties. With an evil, evil demon. There's a demon.

[Tom Coleman]

I wondered that. I wondered that maybe it could be related.

[Irene Bramis]

We know.

[Rachel Dratch]

I'm not going to back off the statement. There is a demon in the White House.

[Irene Bramis]

A very real demon in the White House. Sweeties, there's no.

[Rachel Dratch]

I'm not going to cut this. I'm going to stand tall. That's right, sweetie. Mountaintops.

[Irene Bramis]

That's right. That's right. I'm going to.

[Rachel Dratch]

I'm going to assume MAGA is not woo woo, by the way.

[Tom Coleman]

Yeah, I would think. Yeah. Because they're all. No, it's all. They're just. It's the same. And like Jesus.

[Rachel Dratch]

Yes. I don't know.

[Tom Coleman]

Like Halloween is. You can't have Halloween because of Halloween. Because it's pagan. Yeah.

[Rachel Dratch]

Okay. Anyway, I am going to stand firm on my statement.

[Irene Bramis]

Good, good, sweetie, I'm proud of you.

[Tom Coleman]

We're going to need a. I support it.

[Rachel Dratch]

There's a demon from hell living in the White House.

[Irene Bramis]

That's right.

[Rachel Dratch]

Anyway, moving on from him, I just raised my own blood pressure. Talk about the body keeping the score. Now I'm in a state of anxiety. Okay, I'm gonna grab the pendulum. Hold on.

[Irene Bramis]

That's right. That's right.

[Tom Coleman]

My Benji question is actually coming out.

[Rachel Dratch]

Oh, don't tell us, though. Don't tell us.

[Tom Coleman]

Oh, I'm not. I'm not gonna tell you.

[Irene Bramis]

Oh, okay.

[Tom Coleman]

But I was gonna say that it was something we had just been talking about, which was even more peculiar that

[Rachel Dratch]

it was like, okay, all right.

[Tom Coleman]

It's waiting to come out. Yeah.

[Rachel Dratch]

Okay, good. And also, we always say, don't ask anything that's gonna make you sad if it's an answer you don't like. Okay, okay.

[Tom Coleman]

No.

[Rachel Dratch]

And then.

[Tom Coleman]

But then I was thinking. I was thinking about this last night. At first I was like. I was like, wait, is it supposed to be a is this gonna happen? Or advice? I was like, am I asking a should? So I think it should be. I think I should go with the will. Yes or no?

[Rachel Dratch]

Okay.

[Tom Coleman]

Don't you think?

[Rachel Dratch]

I mean, whatever. You can even do two if you want.

[Irene Bramis]

But we're gifting you two readings, sweetie. Okay. You're worth it. Remember that.

[Rachel Dratch]

So think on your first question.

[Tom Coleman]

Okay, I have my first. Ready.

[Rachel Dratch]

Okay.

[Tom Coleman]

Yes. I'm concentrating.

[Rachel Dratch]

Okay.

[Irene Bramis]

Oh, I got a resounding yes.

[Rachel Dratch]

Instant yes.

[Irene Bramis]

Yes. I love it when we're in sync.

[Rachel Dratch]

Oh, you didn't want the yes. Okay.

[Tom Coleman]

No, I did, but I was surprised.

[Rachel Dratch]

What was the question?

[Irene Bramis]

What was the question?

[Tom Coleman]

Would I get a dog within the next year?

[Rachel Dratch]

Wow.

Well, maybe one is going to cross your path.

[Tom Coleman]

But I wanted one, but I just didn't know with traveling and stuff it would be doable. That was the thing. I haven't had one for a while.

[Irene Bramis]

Your mother's going to be sending one along, sweetie. Okay. Start manifesting, Mom.

[Tom Coleman]

There'll be a puppy that I see in the road instead of the woman and jump out of the car and get it. Yes.

[Rachel Dratch]

All right. And then did you have another question, too, or do you want to freeze it with that?

[Tom Coleman]

This is just a little one that I wanted to know.

[Rachel Dratch]

Okay, well, it's like a.

[Tom Coleman]

This would be a. Like a easy one. Okay, I have the question.

[Rachel Dratch]

Oh, okay, here we go.

[Irene Bramis]

Oh, I got an answer here.

[Rachel Dratch]

I got a no for this.

[Irene Bramis]

I got to know. I got to know. I got to know if I was

[Tom Coleman]

going to go to Denmark to the beach later this summer.

[Irene Bramis]

So I. I'm sorry, sweetie, but you're getting. You're getting the puppy, and that's a

[Tom Coleman]

maybe I can't go because I get the dog and then I can't.

[Rachel Dratch]

Maybe that's what.

[Tom Coleman]

Yes, it's all related.

[Rachel Dratch]

But you do have to report to us if you go to Denmark, because Irene doesn't like when I say this, but sometimes the pendulum isn't right. Sweet. But let me know if you go to Denmark.

[Tom Coleman]

I will. You should have a pendulum report where you sort of go through and.

[Rachel Dratch]

I know. We should. We should, right?

[Irene Bramis]

We really should do Penji updates. We really have to.

[Rachel Dratch]

We notice when it's right. We probably forget when it's wrong.

[Irene Bramis]

Well, we don't want to report when it's wrong, which is very infrequently. But look, Drachi and I just got a no and a yes, so I like this, you know, synchronicity. Yeah.

[Rachel Dratch]

All right. Well, Tom, thank you so much for joining us. Check out Tom's book, Guesticate, A Handbook for Horrible House Guests, wherever you get your books. And Tom, good luck on your next book, and thanks for sharing your story.

[Irene Bramis]

Thank you.

[Tom Coleman]

Thank you. Thanks for having me. It was very fun.

[Rachel Dratch]

And you can can find me on Instagram at Ray Dratch. That's R A E Dratch. And you can find Irene at IreneBremis. That's B R E M I S Bremes. And thanks for listening. Thanks for joining me on this journey into the world of Woo Woo. Don't forget to rate, review and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Woo Woo with Rachel Dratch is a Q Code product production executive produced by

David Henning and Steve Wilson. Produced by Alexa Gabriel Ramirez, edited by Will Tendi.