The Trouble with Tickling…Yourself (6/23/25)

Summary

Wow in the World: The Trouble with Tickling…Yourself (June 23, 2025)

Hosts: Mindy Thomas and Guy Raz

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1. Introduction to the Tickle Trouble

The episode kicks off with Mindy Thomas and Guy Raz introducing a peculiar problem plaguing their town—a mysterious tiny masked tickling bandit causing unexpected tickle attacks. This whimsical scenario sets the stage for an engaging exploration of the science behind tickling and personal boundaries.

2. The Mysterious Tickling Incidents

Guy Raz discovers an odd advertisement for "Tickle Training" in his quarterly bean catalog at [02:40]. Shortly after, at [03:20], Guy experiences an unexpected tickle attack:

Guy Raz [03:32]: "It's gone. What was that? It just came out of nowhere and tickled me behind the knees."

Alarmed by this incident, Guy reaches out to Mindy, who quickly becomes aware of the situation through the news. The duo learns that the tickling attacks are widespread, affecting various townsfolk, including Grandma G Force and Bob.

Mindy Thomas explains the severity of the situation during the emergency neighborhood meeting:

Mindy Thomas [09:00]: "There is a tiny masked tickling bandit on the loose, and it's wreaking havoc on the town."

3. Delving into the Science of Tickling

To understand the phenomenon, Mindy introduces the scientific aspect of tickling. She discusses why it's impossible to tickle oneself, referencing a study from the Bernstein Center for Computational Neuroscience in Berlin at [11:00]:

Mindy Thomas [11:00]: "Science says it's basically impossible to tickle yourself."

The hosts break down the brain's response to tickling, highlighting the roles of the somatosensory cortex and the anterior cingulate cortex:

Mindy Thomas [13:30]: "When someone else is tickling us, these two parts of the brain work together and our body begins to react."

In contrast, self-tickling lacks the unpredictability that triggers the ticklish response, as explained by:

Mindy Thomas [14:26]: "Our brains can predict when we're going to tickle ourselves, so it doesn't react the same way."

Guy Raz adds insights from a study published in Biology Letters, which differentiates between tickle-induced laughter and laughter from humor:

Guy Raz [18:12]: "The laughter we produce when we're being tickled is special and different from all of the other types of laughter."

4. Unraveling the Tickling Bandit Mystery

Through deductive reasoning, Mindy identifies the culprit behind the tickle attacks:

Mindy Thomas [10:30]: "I figured it out. I know who the Tiny Masked Tickling Bandit is."

It turns out that Baby Dennis, a ventriloquist dummy previously known as "Baby Poops His Pants," became the tickle bandit out of a desire to make people laugh, akin to the popular "Tickle Time Tammy" doll. The transformation of Baby Dennis is both humorous and poignant, emphasizing themes of loneliness and the longing for connection.

Dennis [16:14]: "Baby Dennis wasn't always Baby Dennis. He was a simple but experimental doll known as Baby Poops His Pants."

5. Establishing Tickle Ground Rules

To restore peace, Mindy and Guy convene a town meeting to set clear boundaries regarding tickling. They introduce three essential ground rules:

1. Consent is Key: "There will be no tickling of any sort without getting consent or permission from the other person." [20:41]
2. Immediate Stop: "If the person being tickled yells stop, the tickler must immediately stop." [20:41]
3. Keep it Fun: "Tickling should be happy laughs, not tears." [21:19]

These rules aim to ensure that tickling remains a joyful and consensual activity, preventing future unwanted tickle attacks.

6. Conclusion and Community Healing

With the ground rules in place and Baby Dennis understanding the importance of consent, the town begins to heal from the tickle turmoil. The episode wraps up by reinforcing the value of personal boundaries and the scientific insights that help explain human behavior.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Guy Raz [03:32]: "It's gone. What was that? It just came out of nowhere and tickled me behind the knees."
• Mindy Thomas [11:00]: "Science says it's basically impossible to tickle yourself."
• Guy Raz [18:12]: "The laughter we produce when we're being tickled is special and different from all of the other types of laughter."
• Mindy Thomas [10:30]: "I figured it out. I know who the Tiny Masked Tickling Bandit is."
• Dennis [16:14]: "Baby Dennis wasn't always Baby Dennis. He was a simple but experimental doll known as Baby Poops His Pants."
• Mindy Thomas [21:19]: "Tickling should be happy laughs, not tears."

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Final Thoughts

This episode of Wow in the World masterfully blends a playful narrative with educational content, offering listeners both entertainment and valuable scientific knowledge. By addressing a whimsical problem, the hosts engage young minds in understanding complex neurological responses, all while emphasizing the importance of consent and personal boundaries.

Transcript

[Guy Raz]

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[Mindy Thomas]

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[Guy Raz]

I'm going to get the mayo. Mayo. Mayo. Going to get the mayo. Okay, let's see what we've got here. My quarterly bean catalog. Ooh, an invitation to an elevator concert downtown. That looks interesting. Let's see an advertisement for Tickle your self training. Tickle Training. What was that? What's happening?

[Dennis]

Who's there?

[Guy Raz]

It's gone. What was that? It just came out of nowhere and tickled me behind the knees. And now it's gone. I need to tell Mindy about this.

[Dennis]

Mindy? Mindy?

[Guy Raz]

Mindy, Are you home?

[Grandma G Force]

Mindy?

[Mindy Thomas]

Guy.

[Guy Raz]

Raz, you're never gonna believe this.

[Mindy Thomas]

Are you okay? Did the tiny mask. Did Tickling Bandit get you?

[Guy Raz]

What? How did you know?

[Mindy Thomas]

Here. Quick, get inside. It's on the news.

[Guy Raz]

I didn't know you watched the news.

[Mindy Thomas]

Yeah, of course I watched the news. Guy. Raz. Gayle. Richard Simmons and I both wear the same shoe size.

[Guy Raz]

What?

[Mindy Thomas]

Anywho, the news is on a commercial break, but it'll be back in a sec.

[Bob]

Have you or someone you love been.

[Dennis]

The victim of a tickle attack?

[Mindy Thomas]

Yes.

[Bob]

Tickled without consent.

[Guy Raz]

Yes.

[Mindy Thomas]

Yes.

[Bob]

Well, unwanted tickling is a violation of your personal rights. Call the law offices of Tammy Tickman today because tickling should be fun, not forced.

[Guy Raz]

Wow. Glad someone's out there fighting for our personal space and justice.

[Grandma G Force]

I'll say.

[Dennis]

It's time to tickle. It's time to play Tickle Time. Tammy tickles all day.

[Mindy Thomas]

Wah. She really can't stop giggling.

[Bob]

That's right. Tickle Time Tammy is the doll that just won't stop gigg. And when she giggles, so do you.

[Mindy Thomas]

I'm giggling, I'm giggling.

[Bob]

Get your Tickle Time Tammy doll today. Giggle sold separately.

[Mindy Thomas]

Huh? Man, that doll's been around forever. Ooh, turn it up, guy. Raz.

[Guy Raz]

No. Sure.

[Mindy Thomas]

Welcome back to wow News. I'm Gayle. Richard Simmons. And tonight's top story. A tiny masked tickling bandit wreaking havoc upon the town. I wonder who the Tiny Masked Tickling Bandit is.

[Guy Raz]

Well, I guess it's somebody tiny.

[Mindy Thomas]

We now go live to our reporter in the field, Bob. Ralph Macchio. Bob, what are you seeing out there?

[Bob]

Thanks, gal. I'm standing here with two of the latest victims of this tiny town Tickler. Thomas Fingerling and Grandma G Force. Is that really your name?

[Guy Raz]

Oh, no.

[Bob]

Can you tell us what you think might be going on?

[Grandma G Force]

Well, I'll take that microphone in. Listen up everybody. There's a tricky fingered little baby on the loose and somebody better catch it before it tickles the whole town to death.

[Bob]

Yeah, I was just minding my own business on account of I'm an entrepreneur when some weird little baby wearing a brown bag over its head pops up right up out of the nowheres.

[Grandma G Force]

Yep, right out of the nowhere.

[Bob]

And then it's all coochie coochie coo right here in the old armpit.

[Grandma G Force]

Hey, camera boy, get a close up of the pet.

[Bob]

Oh, good idea. You zooming in. Wow, fascinating. Let me just ask you.

[Grandma G Force]

Listen here, you little baby. If you're out there, you better quit tickling everybody or else Grandma G Force, that's me, is gonna snatch you up by those little curled canned shrimps. You and I'm gonna.

[Mindy Thomas]

Okay, I think that's all the time we have.

[Guy Raz]

Thanks, Bob.

[Mindy Thomas]

When we come back, hot tubs. Are they or aren't they just human soup?

[Guy Raz]

What in the.

[Mindy Thomas]

A baby on the Loose. Launching tickle attacks on everybody in the town, including me.

[Guy Raz]

I didn't even see it coming or going.

[Mindy Thomas]

That Tiny Tickler has really mastered the art of the sneak attack.

[Guy Raz]

I think we need to call Neighborhood meeting Mindy. The only way we're gonna stop this town Tickler is if we all work together to find this individual and get them to stop.

[Mindy Thomas]

Good idea, Guy Raz. I'll call the meeting. Opening the window. Man, it's jammed.

[Guy Raz]

That's because you installed it with jam.

[Mindy Thomas]

Okay, gonna have to punch it out. So much for my sugar glass window. Hey, excuse. Emergency. Neighborhood meeting Mindy's Gingerbread mansion. Now. A clock?

[Grandma G Force]

Okay, fine.

[Mindy Thomas]

There we go. Guy Raz.

[Guy Raz]

All right.

[Mindy Thomas]

Upcoming. Walk, walk, walk, walk, walk, walk, walk. Welcome. Please, everyone, single file, one at a time. Hi, Dennis.

[Dennis]

Hi, Mindy. Hi, guys.

[Mindy Thomas]

Baby Dennis.

[Dennis]

Hi, Big Mindy.

[Mindy Thomas]

Hi, Big Guy.

[Guy Raz]

No, no, it's just Guy Reggie.

[Mindy Thomas]

How are you? Grandma G Force.

[Grandma G Force]

What?

[Guy Raz]

Oh, we just saw you on the news.

[Grandma G Force]

No autographs. Respect my privacy. I'm a public figure now.

[Bob]

Yeah, stand back. We're famous.

[Mindy Thomas]

Okay, well, go ahead and sit down.

[Grandma G Force]

Okay, whatever.

[Guy Raz]

All right, let's start this meeting.

[Dennis]

What's this meeting about, you two?

[Mindy Thomas]

Well, as some of you may have heard or experienced, there is a tiny mass tickling bandit on the loose, and it's wreaking havoc on the town.

[Dennis]

Havoc? Wreaking?

[Guy Raz]

Yeah, it got me. When I was out getting my mail, something snuck up and tickled me right behind the knees.

[Grandma G Force]

Yeah, that little stinker got me, too. Right here under my little chin muffin.

[Mindy Thomas]

And you didn't even see it coming, Reg.

[Bob]

It got me twice. The first time I was attacked, I was just eating my soup in the pool at my water aerobics class, and then this nubby little hand came up through the water and booped me right in the belly button. I laughed so hard, I peed right there in my swim trunks.

[Grandma G Force]

It's true. He did. I saw it. It was right there in the pool.

[Guy Raz]

Oh. What about you, Dennis? Did you get tickled?

[Mindy Thomas]

Yeah, Dennis, what about you?

[Dennis]

Well, I said I saw the Tiny, Masked Tickling Bandit, and it tried to tickle me, but it didn't make me laugh, so technically, no, it didn't tickle me.

[Guy Raz]

Really? You didn't laugh?

[Dennis]

No, it was like I couldn't laugh, you know?

[Guy Raz]

Huh. Interesting. This is starting to sound like a job for Detective Mindy and Inspector Guy. Private Eye Detective Mindy.

[Mindy Thomas]

No, I figured it out.

[Guy Raz]

What?

[Mindy Thomas]

I know who. The Tiny Mask Tickling Band.

[Grandma G Force]

You do?

[Mindy Thomas]

Yep. It's Baby Dennis.

[Dennis]

No, that can't be true. Say it's not true, Baby Dennis. It's true, Big Dennis. Baby Dennis is the tiny toe tickler.

[Guy Raz]

How did you know, Mindy?

[Bob]

Yeah, Mandy. How'd you correct the case?

[Grandma G Force]

What'd you use to uncover the truth, Mandy? Spill it.

[Mindy Thomas]

Well, science.

[Bob]

Science?

[Mindy Thomas]

Yep. So hear me out. Science says it's basically impossible to tickle yourself.

[Guy Raz]

Aha. And since Dennis got tickled but couldn't laugh, Baby Dennis must be the culprit.

[Mindy Thomas]

That's right, because baby Dennis is a dummy. A ventriloquist dummy. Whoa.

[Dennis]

Oh, yeah, no, right.

[Guy Raz]

I think what Mindy is trying to say is that baby Dennis is just a doll puppet, and his voice and movements are all controlled by big Dennis.

[Mindy Thomas]

So if baby Dennis tried to tickle Big Dennis, he'd basically just be trying to tickle himself.

[Bob]

How about that? Busted. By scientific logic, Baby Dennis is a little stinker.

[Dennis]

You certainly are.

[Guy Raz]

I mean, I've always known that you can't tickle yourself, but, Mindy, you're saying science can explain why?

[Mindy Thomas]

Yeah. In fact, a group of scientists from the BUR at the Bernstein center for Computational Neuroscience in Berlin, they did a whole study on it.

[Guy Raz]

A study on why we can't tickle ourselves?

[Mindy Thomas]

Yep. They wanted to find out once and for all why it doesn't work.

[Guy Raz]

So what did they find out?

[Mindy Thomas]

Well, first of all, they did what any good scientist would do, Guy Raz. They conducted an experiment.

[Guy Raz]

Yay.

[Dennis]

Experiments. Mother says I was an experiment.

[Grandma G Force]

I do not think that was a compliment.

[Mindy Thomas]

So, for this experiment, the first thing they did was gather a group of volunteers.

[Bob]

People volunteering to be tickled? Hell, no. I heard everything.

[Mindy Thomas]

And the researchers did two things. First, they had the volunteers be tickled by another person. Then they asked the volunteers to tickle themselves again while being tickled by another person.

[Guy Raz]

And I'm guessing that afterward, they compared how ticklish people felt in both situations.

[Mindy Thomas]

You got it, Guy Raz.

[Grandma G Force]

And then what happened next? I need to know.

[Mindy Thomas]

Well, it turns out they had a rather surprising result. Yes, the researchers discovered that when people were trying to tickle themselves even while being tickled by another person, they didn't feel ticklish. Or at least not as much.

[Guy Raz]

Amazing. This must have something to do with the signals that a tickling sensation or feeling sends to the brain.

[Mindy Thomas]

Yeah, exactly. So when we get tickled, millions of little, teeny, tiny sensors send messages to two main sections in our brains. First, there's the somatosensory cortex, and that's the part of the Brain that helps us to feel touch.

[Dennis]

Like when someone tickles you.

[Mindy Thomas]

Exactly. And then there's another part of the brain called the anterior cingulated cortex. That's really just a fancy name for the part of the brain that controls how we feel pleasure.

[Guy Raz]

Like when we laugh because it feels good.

[Mindy Thomas]

Exact oritos, Guy Raz. And when someone else is tickling us, these two parts of the brain work together and our body begins to react. In the first 300 milliseconds, we might start to smile or squirm. And after 500 milliseconds, we start giggling.

[Guy Raz]

But when we try to tickle ourselves.

[Mindy Thomas]

Well, when we try to tickle ourselves, we don't really laugh or squirm at all. It all comes down to something called prediction. Our brains can predict when we're going to tickle ourselves, so it doesn't react the same way.

[Guy Raz]

Aha. But when someone else tickles us, it's unpredictable. Our brain gets surprised, which causes our bodies to squirm and laugh and feel ticklish.

[Mindy Thomas]

You got it.

[Grandma G Force]

Well, that's a very nice story, Mandy, but I don't wanna know that. I wanna know why that Talkin baby was running around tickling the whole town silly.

[Guy Raz]

That's. That's a very good question, Grandma. G Force. Baby Dennis, why would you do something like this? For weeks, the whole town's been on high alert.

[Dennis]

Tell them, Baby Dennis. Tell them why you did this. Tell them why you decided to make yourself the town tickler. Well, Baby Dennis supposes.

[Mindy Thomas]

Yes.

[Dennis]

Baby Dennis. Dennis was thinking.

[Guy Raz]

Yes.

[Grandma G Force]

Baby Dennis thinks that lad said. I'm taking the batteries out of you talking baby.

[Dennis]

It's all Tickle Time Tammy's fault.

[Mindy Thomas]

Tickle Time Tammy? You mean that doll from the commercials?

[Grandma G Force]

The one that giggles when you stab her with your finger?

[Guy Raz]

What?

[Dennis]

Yeah, that's the one.

[Mindy Thomas]

I mean, I guess that Tickle Time Tammy is a pretty famous figure in the world of tickling. But how did this doll lead you to become Tickler Baby Dennis?

[Dennis]

Well, Baby Dennis wasn't always Baby Dennis.

[Mindy Thomas]

Huh?

[Dennis]

Tell the story, Big Dennis. Okay. You see, before Baby Dennis was the confident, sassy, handsome. Yes, handsome baby ventriloquist dummy. You know, Today he was a simple but experimental doll known as Baby. Baby Poops His Pants.

[Mindy Thomas]

Little Baby Poops His Pants Poopsie. Huh? I don't remember that toy.

[Dennis]

Of course you don't. Nobody does. Baby Poops Pants sat on the toy shelf right next to Tickle Time Tammy. People would come from far and wide to get their hands on the Tickle Time Tammy doll, they weren't. And poor little Baby Poops Pants just sat there on the shelf with his pants and his poop day after day, month after month, with no child wishing to call him their own.

[Mindy Thomas]

Aw, this is so sad.

[Grandma G Force]

Call me choked up.

[Dennis]

All Baby Poops Pants ever wanted was to laugh with everyone. Like Tickle to Tommy D. And so that's why Baby Dennis tickled the town. Baby Dennis wanted to be like, Tickle Time, Tammy and make people laugh.

[Guy Raz]

Well, there are so many other ways you could make people laugh besides just tickling them.

[Mindy Thomas]

Yeah, Baby Dennis, you could tell jokes.

[Dennis]

But nobody laughs at Baby Dennis jokes. That's true.

[Guy Raz]

Maybe you just need better jokes.

[Mindy Thomas]

No.

[Dennis]

Baby Dennis knows the easiest way to get a laugh is to tickle. Well, I guess a laugh is a laugh.

[Guy Raz]

Not exactly, Dennis. You see, a laugh from tickling is really just a reflex. It's something you can't control.

[Mindy Thomas]

Yeah. Whereas a laugh caused by a reaction to a funny joke is more of a thinking laugh. In other words, your brain has more time to process and respond to what you just experienced.

[Guy Raz]

You know, I actually just read a study about this in the science journal Biology Letters. And according to a new scientific study from research at the University of Amsterdam, the laughter we produce when we're being tickled is special and different from all of the other types of laughter.

[Mindy Thomas]

Whoa. So you're saying that tickling has its own distinct or specific sound? How did they discover this guy, Raz?

[Guy Raz]

Well, these researchers had a group of 200 people listen to recordings of around 900 real life laughs.

[Mindy Thomas]

Laughs for science.

[Guy Raz]

Of course. Anything for science.

[Dennis]

Well, that's really.

[Guy Raz]

Anyway, these 900 laughs were caused by all sorts of things, like people hearing funny jokes or watching funny things, and.

[Mindy Thomas]

Of course, being tickled.

[Guy Raz]

You got it. And what they found was that 60% or more than half of the time, the group was able to correctly recognize the sounds of tickle laughter.

[Mindy Thomas]

Wow. That's bonkerballs.

[Guy Raz]

Right. And this evidence suggests that our brains recognize tickle laughter as something unique. Wow.

[Mindy Thomas]

So laughter from being tickled and laughter from hearing a funny joke are two completely different types of laughter?

[Guy Raz]

That's what the researchers found in studying the laughter. They noticed that laughter caused by being tickled was faster, higher pitched, and generally just more chaotic than the laughter caused by anything else.

[Dennis]

Oh, boy. Baby Dennis wants to recreate the experiment. Baby Dennis, No. Coochie, coochie, coo. Baby Dennis, stop tickling. Reggie.

[Bob]

Bridget, you're tickling me with your feathers.

[Grandma G Force]

Tickle.

[Dennis]

Hey.

[Mindy Thomas]

Everyone is tickling each other. And everyone is laughing, but no one seems to be enjoying it. Guy, Raz, quick, do something.

[Guy Raz]

That's it.

[Dennis]

Everybody stop.

[Guy Raz]

I can't believe that worked. Okay, well, now I think it's time that we put an end to unwanted tickle attacks once and for all.

[Grandma G Force]

Yeah. Cause that baby's been sneaking up on everybody and coochie coochie cooing the daylights out of us, and I'm sick of it.

[Guy Raz]

So from this moment on, these are the tickling ground rules. Number one, there will be no tickling of any sort without getting consent or permission from the other person. Number two, stop means stop. If the person being tickled yells stop. Even if they gave permission to be tickled, the tickler must immediately stop.

[Dennis]

Okay, Baby goodness will stop.

[Guy Raz]

And ground rule number number three, keep it fun. If the tickling is terrorizing the person being tickled, it's too much.

[Bob]

Tickling should be happy laughs, not tears.

[Grandma G Force]

That's what I'm saying. Keep your little curled canned shrimp fingers away from me, baby. D Hee hee.

[Guy Raz]

Well, now that we've laid down the rules of tickling, does anyone have any questions?

[Grandma G Force]

Yeah, I got a question for fingerling.

[Bob]

Well, yeah. What is a G Force?

[Mindy Thomas]

Fingerling?

[Grandma G Force]

May I have the honor of tickling your armpits?

[Bob]

Why, yes, G force, you may.

[Grandma G Force]

Coochie coochie coo.

[Guy Raz]

Okay, anyone else have a question about the science of tickling?

[Dennis]

I have a question.

[Guy Raz]

Yes, Dennis?

[Dennis]

Reggie, I would like to make you laugh. May I please have your permission to. What, Reggie? What do you mean, no? Okay, fine. Grab a G force.

[Grandma G Force]

Don't even think about it, boy.

[Dennis]

Uh, Tommy?

[Bob]

Not a chance, feller.

[Dennis]

Well, who am I supposed to tickle then? Tickle, baby Dennis. Big Dennis. Oh, okay. Coochie tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle. It's time to tickle. It's time to play. Tickle time, baby Dennis giggles all day.

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[Dennis]

That's it.

[N/A]

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[Mindy Thomas]

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[Grandma G Force]

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[Mindy Thomas]

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[Mindy Thomas]

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[Guy Raz]

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[Mindy Thomas]

Once again, that's Tinkercast.com wow in the.

[Guy Raz]

World is written by Mindy Thomas and Tom Van Kalken with contributions from Me Guy Raz.

[Mindy Thomas]

Original sound design and music editing is done by Tyler Thole with help from our senior Production Director Jed Anderson. You can also hear Jed Anderson in the voices of Dennis Thomas, Fingerling, Reggie and many of the other silly characters you hear on our show.

[Guy Raz]

Jessica Bode keeps our facts straight as our fact checker and Meredith Halpern Ranzer Powers the Wow at Tinkercast.

[Mindy Thomas]

Our theme song was composed and performed by three time Grammy nominees. The pop ups. Find [e-mail] Special thanks to our team.

[Guy Raz]

Including Kit Ballenger, Rebecca Caban, Dr. Natasha Crandall, Kenny Curtis, Kristin Yang, Twee Mac, Erica Medina, Henry Moskal, Jody Nussbaum, Ali Paxsima, Linda Rothenberg, Steph Sosa, Anna Zagorski and all of the other tinkerers at Tinkercast hq.

[Mindy Thomas]

Grown Ups. You can follow wow in the World on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter owintheworld, and our email address is hellonkercast.com thanks for listening.

[Guy Raz]

Find episodes of wow. In The World every Monday 2 what's in a wow? Every Friday, and we wow on the weekends with Dennis every Saturday and Sunday right here in the wow in the World podcast feed. Until then, keep on wowing.

[Grandma G Force]

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