WeWow on the Weekend (1/26/25)

Summary

Wow in the World: Episode Summary – "WeWow on the Weekend" (January 26, 2025)

In the January 26, 2025 episode of "Wow in the World" titled "WeWow on the Weekend," hosts Mindy Thomas and Guy Raz delve into the fascinating world of chimpanzees to explore the complexities of cooperation and altruism. This episode not only entertains with engaging banter and interactive segments but also educates listeners about scientific studies that shed light on the evolutionary roots of human social behaviors.

1. Engaging Q&A Segment

The episode kicks off with a lively Q&A segment where listeners, both kids and their grown-up companions, submit intriguing questions about everyday phenomena.

• Perfume Concentration Mystery
  At [03:14], Mindy Thomas asks, "So how do scents get concentrated into containers like perfumes and body sprays?"
  Dennis responds humorously about the mystery of perfumes holding strong scents in tiny bottles, sharing amusing anecdotes like a pizza-scented perfume:

  Dennis [03:19]: "I could smell the cheese and the sauce and everything. How'd they get a whole pizza into a tiny bottle?"
  This light-hearted exchange highlights the wonders of everyday science in a relatable manner.

• Riddle Time Fun
  Later, at [05:18], Mindy introduces a riddle: "I am an ocean with no water. I am a forest with no trees. I am a desert with no sand. What am I?"
  Dennis engages playfully, leading to the revelation:

  Mindy [06:05]: "It's a map."
  Such interactive elements keep the audience engaged while stimulating their critical thinking.

2. Inside Tinkercast Studios: "Sharing Caring Chimpanzees"

Dennis transitions into a special segment called "Inside Tinkercast Studios," where he revisits past episodes to provide deeper insights. In this segment, he references an earlier episode titled "Sharing Caring Chimpanzees," focusing on how humans learn to cooperate—a fundamental theme of this episode.

3. Conversation with Guy Raz: Unpacking Cooperation and Altruism

A significant portion of the episode features a rich dialogue between Mindy Thomas and Guy Raz, where they dissect scientific findings about chimpanzee behavior and its parallels to human cooperation.

• Mindy's Proposal: Living with Chimpanzees
  Mindy humorously suggests moving to Tanzania to live with chimpanzees, sparking a thoughtful discussion:

  Mindy [09:09]: "The more I learn about chimpanzees, the more I just really want one for a best friend. I just feel like we have a lot in common."
  This sets the stage for exploring the deeper connections between humans and our primate relatives.

• Exploring Human-Chimp Similarities
  Guy Raz points out the geographic and cultural challenges of such a move:

  Guy Raz [09:21]: "Tanzania's pretty far away. And besides, there is no way your carrier pigeon Reggie is gonna make it that far without getting lost."
  The conversation gracefully shifts to the scientific investigation of cooperation in chimps and humans.

• Understanding Altruism
  Mindy introduces the concept of altruism in chimpanzees:

  Mindy [12:19]: "It turns out that we're even more alike than we ever thought before."
  She emphasizes the importance of understanding whether chimps can act altruistically—helping others without direct benefits to themselves.

4. Scientific Insights: Experiments on Chimp Cooperation

The hosts delve into two pivotal experiments that illuminate cooperative behavior in chimpanzees, drawing parallels to human societal structures.

• Max Planck Institute Experiment
  Mindy details an experiment by Martin Schmelz and Sebastian Gruneisen:

  Mindy [14:46]: "They took two chimps from the Leipzig zoo and put them in two rooms next to each other with a window dividing them in between."
  The setup involved offering choices that could benefit both chimps or just one, testing the willingness to share.

  Key Findings:
  The female chimpanzee, Ty, often chose to share the banana rather than keep it all, leading the male chimps to reciprocate by also choosing options that benefited both parties.

  Guy Raz [17:05]: "Those boy chimps were totally thinking of their friend Ty."

• Arizona State University Study on Patrol Missions
  The second experiment by Kevin Langergraber explores why chimps undertake patrol missions to protect their group:

  Mindy [18:00]: "So in the second experiment, Kevin Langergraber... studied why chimps go on patrol missions."
  Over 20 years, the study observed that a significant portion of chimps would protect the group even without direct familial ties, suggesting a form of group augmentation—prioritizing the group's survival over individual safety.

  Guy Raz [19:32]: "They were protecting other chimps, even if it meant sacrificing their own safety."

5. Implications for Human Cooperation

Mindy and Guy Raz connect these chimpanzee behaviors to human social structures, pondering how cooperation evolved in humans.

• Foundation of Human Civilization

  Mindy [11:33]: "It's why we Homo sapiens were able to spread all around the world."
  Cooperation is portrayed as the bedrock of societal development, enabling complex structures and advanced inventions.

• Altruism as Evolutionary Clue
  The altruistic tendencies observed in chimps provide clues to understanding human altruism:

  Mindy [14:18]: "Altruism is doing something nice or helpful for someone else without getting anything in return."
  They discuss how such behaviors are beneficial for group survival and cohesion, essential for the thriving of both chimps and humans.

6. Conclusion: Reflecting on Cooperation

Wrapping up the episode, Mindy and Guy Raz reflect on the importance of altruism and cooperation in both chimpanzee societies and human communities.

• Taking a Page from Chimpanzees

  Mindy [20:21]: "When it comes to putting others first, it doesn't hurt to add ourselves. The question is, what would a chimp do?"
  This rhetorical question encourages listeners to emulate altruistic behaviors observed in chimps to enhance human interactions and societal well-being.

• Humorous Banter and Final Thoughts
  The episode concludes with playful interactions between the hosts, reinforcing the episode's themes with humor and warmth.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Dennis on Perfumes [03:19]: "I could smell the cheese and the sauce and everything. How'd they get a whole pizza into a tiny bottle?"
• Mindy on Altruism [12:19]: "It turns out that we're even more alike than we ever thought before."
• Mindy on Cooperation [11:33]: "It's why we Homo sapiens were able to spread all around the world."
• Guy Raz on Chimp Sacrifice [19:32]: "They were protecting other chimps, even if it meant sacrificing their own safety."
• Mindy's Reflection [20:21]: "When it comes to putting others first, it doesn't hurt to add ourselves. The question is, what would a chimp do?"

Conclusion

This episode of "Wow in the World" masterfully intertwines scientific exploration with engaging dialogue, making complex topics accessible and entertaining for both kids and their grown-up listeners. By examining chimpanzee behavior, the hosts provide valuable insights into the fundamental nature of cooperation and altruism, highlighting their crucial role in the development of human society. Listeners are left with a deeper appreciation of the evolutionary ties that bind us to our primate cousins and the enduring importance of working together for the greater good.

Transcript

[Guy Raz]

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[Mindy]

Hey Wowzer fams. Mindy here and before we start the show. Oh, sorry about that. I forgot to put it on silent. Hey, wait a second. It's an email from us. Check it out, Reg. Let's see here. It says we've got episode recommendations, free steps, activities to try out at home, the latest news about what's happening at Tinkercast. Pretty bonker balls, huh? Here, I'll help you sign up. So you and the grown ups will just go to tinkercast.comemail and put in your first and last names and email address. Wait, Reggie, I just realized I don't know your last name. Really? Is that with a silent G or a silent Q? Huh, who knew? Let's see here. Oh, and you're not a robot, right? Sorry, just had to double check. Ok, you are all signed up Grown Ups. You can sign up for our Tinkercast newsletter too. It's full of ideas on how to get some extra wow to your family's life. Visit tinkercast.comemail to sign up today. That's tinkercast.comemail. that's it. And now let's get on with the show.

[Dennis]

We wow on the weekend. We wow on the weekend. We wow on the weekend. Cause this is what we do on the weekend. Talking, laughing, me and Reggie singing, laughing. And then we. Oh wait, no, I said laughing twice. Whatever. We wow on the weekend. Yeah, we wow on the weekend. On the weekend. Cause this is what we do on the weekend. Hello and welcome to Wee Wow on the Weekend. I'm your host, Dennis. And that's Reggie, my co host. And a giant pigeon. Reggie, look. Mother made me pancakes with my name spelled out in chocolate chips. Yeah, they're Dennis cakes. Ah, Reggie. No, these are my Dennis cakes. Besides, you can't have chocolate chips. Those are bad for birds. Mother made your own Reggie cakes? Yeah, they're blueberries. Okay, let's move on to the Q and A segment. The Q and A segment. Alright, let's just get the old answering machine pulled up here. Okay, here we go. Hi, you've reached Dennis from We wow on the Weeknd. That's me. Do you have a question? Well, I do too. Lots of them. And who's gonna answer all my questions? You? Probably not. But I guess I can answer yours. Leave me a message. Hey Janice.

[Mindy]

So how do scents get concentrated into containers like perfumes and body sprays.

[Dennis]

Oh, wow, that's a great question. Because Reggie, think about it. Perfumes smell huge, but their bottles are teeny tiny. How'd they get that huge smell in that tiny bot? I obviously have no idea how they do it, but I have come across some wild perfumes. Yeah, like one time I tried a perfume that smelled like pizza. Yes, exactly like pizza. I could smell the cheese and the sauce and everything. How'd they get a whole pizza into a tiny bottle? And another time I smelled another one that smelled like dirt. No, there was no dirt in the bottle, Reggie. My thoughts exactly. Perfumes are a mystery. Next question.

[Mindy]

Hi, Dennis. My name's Matt and I was wondering, what does Baby Dennis think of skydiving?

[Dennis]

Wow, great question, Matt. What does Baby Dennis, my ventriloquist dummy that looks just like me, think of skydiving? Well, let's ask him. There we go. Hi Baby Dennis. Hi, Big Dennis. Hi, Reggie. Reggie, say hi to Baby Dennis. Tee hee. Okay, Baby Dennis, my friend Matt has a question for you. Oh. Matt wants to know what you think of skydiving. Oh, wow. I can dive into the sky like Reggie. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Skydiving is where you dive out of the sky from a plane. What? Yeah, you fly up in the sky in an airplane and you jump out of it with a parachute. Ah, no thank you. You don't want to skydive. That sounds like sky falling. Yeah, I guess Baby Dennis does not like to skyfall. Next question.

[Mindy]

Hi, Dennis, I was wondering, do you want to hear a riddle?

[Dennis]

Oh boy, do I. Baby Dennis loves Riddler riddles.

[Mindy]

Okay, the riddle is, I am an ocean with no water. I am a forest with no trees. I am a desert with no sand. What am I?

[Dennis]

Oh, it's, it's, it's, it's. Oh, I know, it's. Oh wait, nevermind. Reggie, don't interrupt me. I'm thinking. It's a forest with no trees. It's gotta be a map. What? Baby Dennis thinks it's a map. Nuh. A desert with no sand. Yeah. Maps have desert and no sand. That can't be right. Reggie, play the answer.

[Mindy]

Hey, map.

[Dennis]

Ha ha, Big Dennis. Oh, whatever. Thanks for your calls, everyone. Yeah, thanks for your calls, everyone. If you've got a question for me, or me, call and leave us a message. The number is 1-888-7. I just might answer your question on Wee Wow on the weekend. Okay, bye Baby Dennis. Bye. Okay, now it's time for a little segment I like to call Inside Tinkercast Studios Inside Tinkercast Studios. This is the part where we revisit an episode of one of my favorite Tinkercast shows. And this weekend, we're revisiting episodes from the very first season of wow in the World. Lets see, today's episode is called Sharing Caring Chimpanzees. In this episode, Mindy and Guy talk about how humans learn to cooperate. Yeah, just like us, Reggie. You and me cooperate all the time. Okay, fine, let's do an example. Reggie, can you please hand me that piece of paper over there? No, Reggie, not that one. The other one. The one with my notes on it. Reggie, no, that's not a piece of paper. That's a dirty napkin. I know I said I'd throw the napkin away yesterday, but I forgot. Reggie, would you cooperate, please? You know what? This is a bad example. Let's just play the episode. Okay, here we go. And play.

[Mindy]

Wee. Wow will be right back. Grown ups, this message is for you. That's it. Now back to the show. But mom, it's not gonna be forever dangerous. Mom, they're my relatives. And actually, as a human, they are yours too. They are our clothes. Closest relatives here on Earth. I'm not making this up, Lonely mom. They know how to give hugs and kisses just like a real family. We have a. But I promise you, we have a lot in common. I mean, we both like the outdoors, we both like bananas, and we both don't have tails. Oh, I gotta call you back. Guy Raz just walked in. No, he's not wearing the flamingo suit. We don't talk about it anymore. I know you thought it was adorable. I gotta go. I love you.

[Dennis]

Bye, Mom.

[Guy Raz]

Uh, hey, Mindy. What are you doing over there?

[Mindy]

Hey, Guy Raz. I was just on the phone with my mom, trying to convince her why it's a good idea for me to move to Gombe national park in Tanzania to live with a bunch of wild chimpanzees. Uh, can you believe she thinks that's crazy?

[Guy Raz]

Okay, you know, Tanzania's pretty far away. I mean, all the way in East Africa. And besides, there is no way your carrier pigeon Reggie is gonna make it that far without getting lost. Mindy.

[Mindy]

I know it's far, Guy Raz, but the more I learn about chimpanzees, the more I just really want one for a best friend. Uh, I mean, I just feel like we have a lot in common.

[Guy Raz]

Well, that's true, Mindy. I mean, as you know, chimps are our closest relatives on planet Planet Earth. But I'm not sure it's such a good idea to live with them. I mean, for one thing, you really love to talk, and I don't think you speak chimpanzee.

[Mindy]

Guy Raz chimps can learn to speak sign language. I'll just have them teach me.

[Guy Raz]

I'm not really sure that's how it works. Besides, you'll be living in the middle of the Gombe National Park. No humans to play with, no one to join you in a game of Apples to Apples or Twister. I mean, don't you think you might get bored?

[Mindy]

Bored? Guy Raz chimps know how to organize and make up their own awesome games. They do it all the time.

[Guy Raz]

Okay, well, what about personal hygiene? I mean, you know, they don't have hairbrushes in the wild.

[Mindy]

Mindy, Guy Raz, chimps take grooming very seriously. In fact, they even use grooming as sort of a way to show friendship. So as far as personal hygiene and grooming goes, I'll just let them show how much they love me by picking the bugs and dirt out of my hair.

[Guy Raz]

Ugh. Okay.

[Mindy]

And I hear it's very calming, which is good for someone like me who freaks out all the time.

[Guy Raz]

Mindy, what even brought this on? I mean, I know that chimps and humans share a lot of the same characteristics, but we're still a very different species from them.

[Mindy]

Well, that's the thing, Guy Raz. It turns out that we're even more alike than we ever thought before.

[Dennis]

Really?

[Guy Raz]

More than we ever thought before?

[Mindy]

Yeah. So for a long time, scientists have been looking for clues as to how humans learn to cooperate. You know, working together instead of just looking out for number one.

[Guy Raz]

Well, I think it's safe to say that most of us humans learned how to cooperate from our parents and our teachers.

[Mindy]

Yeah, but how did our parents and teachers learn to cooperate? In other words, how did our earliest ancestors learn to cooperate?

[Guy Raz]

Yeah, that's a good question. I mean, when you think about it, cooperation is sort of the bedrock, the foundation, the basis of our human civilization. It's why we Homo sapiens were able to spread all around the world.

[Mindy]

Yeah, I mean, pretty much everything in our lives is dependent on cooperation, like how our cities and countries work and how we make and follow all of our rules and laws. And even big inventions like computers and spaceships and waffle tacos, they all require cooperation. Because without it, life as we know it would be very different.

[Guy Raz]

Wow. Imagine that kind of world.

[Mindy]

Okay.

[Guy Raz]

Wow, Mindy, sometimes your imagination is so loud, even I can hear it myself.

[Mindy]

Sorry.

[Guy Raz]

Well, I know that chimps also cooperate with each other, but what does that have to do with why we humans cooperate?

[Mindy]

Well, remember how I said that scientists have been looking for clues to explain how we learn cooperation?

[Dennis]

Yeah.

[Mindy]

Well, it looks like chimpanzees might just hold the clue.

[Guy Raz]

Well, if they're holding the clue, can't scientists just, you know, tickle it out of them? Get it? Tickle it out of them?

[Mindy]

Guy Raz, they're not literally holding the clue.

[Guy Raz]

Well, but. Did you like my joke?

[Mindy]

Oh, boy. Here's the deal. So while scientists have known for a long time that chimps could cooperate, they weren't sure about their motive for cooperating.

[Guy Raz]

You mean they thought it was possible that chimps only help other chimps if they get something out of it?

[Mindy]

Exactly. Which would be selfish, right?

[Guy Raz]

I'll say.

[Mindy]

So now the question is, could chimps be altruistic? Could they be willing to help other chimps even if there was nothing in it for them?

[Guy Raz]

So could the chimps be kind and caring and altruistic?

[Mindy]

Yeah, like the time you tripped over my roller skates at the bottom of the stairs and scraped your knee and I offered to perform surgery on you, but you said, no, thanks, just give me a band aid and stop leaving your roller skates all over the place. And I gave you a band aid and didn't even ask for a prize in return.

[Guy Raz]

Uh, I don't know if I'd call that altruistic. I seem to remember that for months after that, you'd go telling people that you saved my life and introduce yourself at parties as Guy Raz's personal hero.

[Mindy]

Hi, I'm Mindy, Guy Raz's personal hero. Now, I don't want to make a big deal out of it, but I did totally save his life from a freak roller skate accident.

[Guy Raz]

Good. My gosh.

[Mindy]

Yeah, it was really scary. Kind of touch and go there for a while, but in the end, and I really pulled through. Ooh, I guess I did okay. So, bad example. But you get it, right? I mean, altruism is doing something nice or helpful for someone else without getting anything in return.

[Guy Raz]

Or even bragging to everyone about the nice thing you did.

[Mindy]

Yeah, sure. So these scientists wondered that if chimps could be altruistic, then maybe this could be a clue as to how humans evolved to be altruistic too.

[Guy Raz]

Well, how did they go about trying to find this out?

[Mindy]

Okay, so there were two big experiments. The first one was conducted by Martin Schmelz and Sebastian Gruneisen at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany.

[Guy Raz]

And what was the experiment?

[Mindy]

Okay, so pay close attention because this can get a little tricky. Okay, so the first thing they did was create a little chimpanzee sharing game.

[Guy Raz]

That sounds like. What was the game?

[Mindy]

Well, they took two chimps from the Leipzig zoo and put them in two rooms next to each other with a window dividing them in between.

[Guy Raz]

Okay, I'm imagining it.

[Mindy]

And the first chimp, a girl chimp named Ty, had four choices of ropes to pull.

[Guy Raz]

Okay.

[Mindy]

Then they had a bunch of partner chimps play one at a time. And these were boy chimps.

[Guy Raz]

Interesting.

[Mindy]

Said the boy chimps knew that Ty had four choices of ropes. If she pulled the first rope, a banana would drop down and Ty would get to eat it all by herself.

[Guy Raz]

Bet she liked that.

[Mindy]

But if she pulled the second rope, the boy chimp would get the treat all to himself.

[Guy Raz]

This is getting really interesting.

[Mindy]

And then if Tai pulled the third rope, she and the boy chimp would get a banana. And can you guess what happened? If she pulled the fourth rope, a.

[Guy Raz]

Pinata full of smashed bananas would explode all over the lab.

[Mindy]

Nope. But that's what I'm planning for your surprise party.

[Guy Raz]

My what?

[Mindy]

Oh, I didn't say anything. Anyhoo, if she pulled the fourth rope, she would pass her turn to the boy chimp, who would then get to choose a rope to pull himself.

[Guy Raz]

So did Tai always pull the first rope and get the banana all for herself and only herself?

[Mindy]

Well, that's what you would think. But there was a twist.

[Guy Raz]

A twist.

[Mindy]

And the twist was that Ty was encouraged by the scientists conducting the experiment to always pull the fourth rope and give the boy chimp the choice.

[Guy Raz]

So did the boy chimps know that the scientists were encouraging Ty to give them the rope?

[Mindy]

Nope. As far as they knew, Ty was just. Just being nice and giving her turn to them.

[Guy Raz]

But Mindy, that meant that if she gave up her turn, the boy chimps could simply pull the first rope and keep all the bananas to themselves.

[Mindy]

Well, they could. But the scientists began to notice that the boy chimps understood that Tai was doing something nice for them.

[Guy Raz]

So did that mean that the boy chimps were nice back to Tai?

[Mindy]

Yes. So in most cases, without even being encouraged, the boy chimps would pull the ropes that gave both them and and Tai a banana.

[Guy Raz]

What a bunch of pals.

[Mindy]

I know, right? And there's more.

[Guy Raz]

What?

[Mindy]

After Ty passed on her turn, the boy chimps had only two choices. They could pull the first rope and get four treats just for Themselves. Or pull the second rope and get three treats. Three for themselves and three for Ty.

[Guy Raz]

And what rope did they pull?

[Mindy]

Well, almost half the time, the boy chimps pulled the second rope, meaning that they would get one less banana for.

[Guy Raz]

Themselves, but enough to share with their friends.

[Mindy]

Yep, those boy chimps were totally thinking of their friend Ty.

[Guy Raz]

Mindy, would you like my last banana?

[Mindy]

Well, it does look appealing. You get it. You get it.

[Guy Raz]

Okay, let's just move on to the second experiment.

[Mindy]

Okay, so in the second experiment, Kevin Langergraber, a scientist from Arizona State University, studied why chimps go on patrol missions.

[Guy Raz]

Patrol missions?

[Mindy]

Yeah. So in the wild, chimps live in big groups, just like we do.

[Guy Raz]

Like in towns or cities or neighborhoods.

[Mindy]

Exactly. And just like in our towns and cities, chimps basically take on the jobs of community helpers. So one may volunteer to be the group's police officer or security guard and.

[Guy Raz]

Then go on a patrol in the wild. Keeping their eyes out for bad guys.

[Mindy]

Yeah, and they walk around the very edge of the group territory and look out for rival chimps who might want to attack the group or steal their food.

[Guy Raz]

Well, that sounds like a pretty risky job. I mean, if predators came along or hunters, those patrol chimps would be the first to get hurt or even killed.

[Mindy]

I know. Crazy, right? So this scientist, Kevin Langergraper, wondered if these patrol chimps would only volunteer if there was something else in it for them.

[Guy Raz]

In it for them? Like if they were only protecting their own family members.

[Mindy]

Yeah, and this is kind of what the scientists expected.

[Guy Raz]

But.

[Mindy]

But it turns out that after 20 years of studying almost 4,000 chimps in Uganda, the researchers discovered that more than 25%, or one in every four patrolled chimps had no relatives in the group they were protecting.

[Guy Raz]

So they were protecting other chimps, even if it meant sacrificing their own safety.

[Mindy]

Yep. The scientists call this idea group augmentation, which is just a fancy way of saying that chimps know that if they have to sacrifice themselves to protect the whole group, then everyone else in the group is better off, too. And that also means that the group has a better chance of growing and surviving because they'll be able to make more baby chimps.

[Guy Raz]

So does any of this help us to better understand how humans learned to cooperate and be altruistic?

[Mindy]

Well, we're still learning exactly how we became a species where millions of us live and work together. But these studies do help us understand the basic ideas behind cooperation and, of course, putting others before ourselves.

[Guy Raz]

And so what does it mean for people who still find it, you know, kind of hard to share or play fair or to be nice.

[Mindy]

Well, I really don't know what that means. And it's safe to say that we all have these moments, but when it comes to putting others first, it doesn't hurt to add ourselves. The question what would a chimp do?

[Guy Raz]

Or more specifically, what would Ty do?

[Mindy]

Yeah, she's my North Star.

[Guy Raz]

So are you still thinking of moving to Tanzania to live with the chimpanzees?

[Mindy]

Well, that depends. I mean, you're basically my best human friend in civilization, so what are the chances you would be willing to altruistically put on this ape suit and pick bugs out of my hair?

[Guy Raz]

Uh, yes, Mindy, the last time you put me in an animal costume, I ended up in the flamingo pond at the zoo. There's no way I'm getting in that ape suit.

[Mindy]

Yeah, that flamingo thing was bananas.

[Dennis]

Yay. That was so nice. Yeah, the chips shared with each other. Hey, Reggie, if we were in the experiment from the episode where you pull ropes to get bananas, what rope would you pull? The first one, Reggie. Oh, you're joking. Okay, yeah, I'd pull the third rope, too. Oh, yeah, I forgot. I don't like bananas because they taste like banana flavor. Baby Dennis likes bananas. No, you don't. You can eat foods. Okay, I think it's time to wrap this up. Thanks to all you listeners out there for tuning in to Wee Wow on the weekend. Remember, if you have a question for me, call and leave me a message at 1-888-7-WOW-WOW. That's 1-888-7-WWOW. I just might answer your question on Wee Wow on the weekend. All right, Reggie, let's go take baby Dennis for a walk. Hooray. Can we go to the park? No. Can we go to the libary? It's pronounced Li. Ba. Ry. No, wait. I mean liberry. Wait, Lyberry. Why can't I say it right? Lyberry. Ah.

[Mindy]

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[Guy Raz]

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[Mindy]

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[Guy Raz]

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[Mindy]

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[Guy Raz]

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[Mindy]

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