Mailbag Friday: Same-Sex Attraction, Marriage in Heaven, Cosmic Child Abuse?

Summary

Wretched Radio with Todd Friel
Mailbag Friday: Same-Sex Attraction, Marriage in Heaven, Cosmic Child Abuse?
April 10, 2026

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Overview

In this Mailbag Friday episode of Wretched Radio, Todd Friel and producer Jimmy Hicks tackle a wide array of listener-submitted theological questions and practical dilemmas facing Christians today. Topics range from how to recommend Bible reading to atheists, to the nuances of same-sex attraction and ministry, understanding baptism and eternal security, and responding to hot-button doctrines like penal substitutionary atonement. The episode delivers a mix of biblical counsel, personal anecdotes, and moments of humor, all in Todd’s signature direct and engaging style.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Which Book of the Bible for an Atheist? (02:19–04:44)

• Question: Which book should an atheist read first in the Bible?
• Todd: Suggests Matthew, as it clearly introduces Jesus.
• Jimmy: Favors Ecclesiastes, arguing its philosophical questions resonate with atheists.
• Todd: Emphasizes no "wrong" book—God has used unexpected books for conversion (mentions Phil Johnson with 1 Corinthians, Jeff Allen with Ecclesiastes).
  • Quote: “I don't think that you can pick a wrong book in the Bible, to be honest, because people have been. Phil Johnson got saved reading First Corinthians… Jeff Allen... the cassette… vanity, vanity, all is vanity. And he goes, that book gets me. And it led to his salvation.” – Todd (03:22)
• Consensus: Start with a book that matches the spiritual questions of the reader; both gospel clarity and existential concerns are valid entry points.

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2. Same-Sex Attraction & Ministry: Is It Disqualifying? Is It Sinful? Where’s the Line? (05:40–10:30)

• Question: A young man asks if struggling with same-sex attraction disqualifies him from ministry, whether it’s inherently sinful, and where the line is drawn with temptation.
• Todd: Encourages long-term discipleship under church elders before pursuing ministry. Same-sex attraction does not uniquely disqualify, any more than any persistent sin—but it must be “mortified” (put to death). The real issue is not fleeting temptation but what you do with it.
  • Quote: “Can we say that that particular sin would disqualify you? No. No more than any other sin would disqualify you. Unless, of course, you don't have that sin under control.” – Todd (06:23)
• On Temptation: Temptation itself isn’t sin; entertaining it is.
• Is It Inherently Sinful? Yes, in the sense that the inclination is a sinful desire, like any other sinful thought or orientation.
  • Quote: “Is same sex attraction in and of itself sinful? Then I would answer definitively, oh, absolutely. Of course. It is just like murderous ideations, thoughts about molesting somebody. Those are simply sinful inclinations that need to be mortified.” – Todd (07:45)
• Practical Line: “You can't stop birds from flying over your head, but you can stop them from making a nest in your hair.” – Martin Luther (09:56)
• Advice: Show consistent victory over sin before entering ministry; be in ongoing discipleship with godly mentors.

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3. Resources on Same-Sex Attraction (14:34–16:24)

• Todd & Jimmy recommend Christopher Yuan’s books:
  • “Out of a Far Country” (testimony)
  • “Holy Sexuality and the Gospel” (theological approach)
• Praise for Yuan’s balanced, biblical stance.
  • Quote: “Everything I've heard about Christopher Yuan has been positive. So I think that that would be a reliable resource for you if… you are struggling with the issue of same sex attraction, especially the young man who wrote in.” – Todd (15:44)

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4. Baptism and Young Children (17:03–20:21)

• Question: Parent worried 7-year-old is too young for baptism.
• Todd: No fixed age; look for “new fruit”—genuine, recent signs of spiritual change, not just natural personality traits or compliance.
  • Quote: “What you are looking for... is new fruit. Not fruit, new fruit... You're looking for new attitudes, not perfection. But they're aimed in a new direction.” – Todd (18:05, 20:21)
• Jimmy: Observe response to correction; is there godly sorrow for sin?
• Advice: Involve other adults who know the child well—teachers, Sunday school, etc.—for discernment.

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5. Reacting to the Use of God’s Name in Vain (20:50–23:42)

• Question: Should Christians say anything when people use God's name in vain?
• Todd: Wisdom issue—depends on the person, timing, relationship, and motive. If it's just personal annoyance, don't bother; if it's an evangelistic or discipleship moment, consider addressing.
• If a believer: Gently correct; if an unbeliever, assess what’s helpful.
• Jimmy: Distinguish between believer and unbeliever in your response.
  • Quote: “[If] they're a believer, I think. Oh, sure, you say that's the name of our king, man. Like you don't use it.” – Jimmy (23:10)

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6. Emergency Workers Missing Church (24:01–26:01)

• Question: Thoughts on jobs that sometimes require missing church.
• Todd: Occasional absence (for legitimate reasons) is not sinful; habitual absence is a problem and may require a job change. Use church wisdom for case-by-case concerns.

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7. Marriage in Heaven (31:30–34:55)

• Question: Why does marriage exist in Eden but not in heaven?
• Todd: Marriage is a “pointer” to a deeper reality—the union with Christ and the church. In heaven, believers will have deeper communion with Christ and each other; marriage’s purpose is fulfilled, not erased.
  • Quote: “It's a pointer. Once we have the object to which it points, we don't need the pointer anymore... your relationship with your Savior and your relationship with others will be at that profound level, even deeper.” – Todd (31:53)
• Memories of marriage remain; relationships are enhanced, not diminished.

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8. Eternal Security: Essential for the Gospel? (34:55–37:51)

• Question: Is believing in eternal security necessary for salvation?
• Todd: Not required for initial conversion, but misunderstanding can signal deeper doctrinal errors if it denies God's power or character. Many genuine Christians are simply misinformed.
  • Quote: “But if it compromises the character and the nature of God, then you are in really dangerous waters.” – Todd (49:54)
• Jimmy: If the gospel isn’t secure, it’s an offer without guarantee.

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9. Penal Substitution & “Cosmic Child Abuse” (49:23–53:13)

• Question: Can someone reject penal substitutionary atonement (the “wrath of God on Jesus”) and be truly saved?
• Todd: No—this doctrine is essential (“cardinal”) to the gospel. If someone, when confronted with clear scripture, persists in rejecting it, they show themselves outside orthodox Christianity.
  • Quote: “The issue of penal substitutionary atonement. Nope, that's cardinal. That's all there is to it. That is a cardinal doctrine. That is the doctrine of justification. That is the doctrine of grace alone. Faith alone in Christ alone.” – Todd (50:01)

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10. Conspiracy Theories and Christian Response (53:13–end)

• Question: What should Christians do about “conspiracy theories” like flat earth or 9/11 being an inside job?
• Todd: Don’t get distracted by non-essentials; these are not doctrinally significant. Focus on what matters and love your brothers and sisters regardless. “It'll get sorted, it’ll come out in the wash.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “You can't stop birds from flying over your head, but you can stop them from making a nest in your hair.” – Jimmy quoting Martin Luther (10:02)
• “Marriage is a pointer. Once we have the object... we don't need the pointer anymore.” – Todd (31:53)
• “No. Now could it be a possibility that your friend is saved and... knows she was wrong? ...But if it compromises the character and the nature of God, then you are in really dangerous waters.” – Todd, on rejecting penal substitution (49:44)

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Useful Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:19] Which Bible book for atheists?
• [05:40] Same-sex attraction, sin, and ministry
• [14:34] Resources on SSA (Christopher Yuan)
• [17:03] Kids and baptism
• [20:50] Using God’s name in vain
• [24:01] Law enforcement/EMS missing church
• [31:30] Marriage in heaven
• [34:55] Eternal security and salvation
• [49:23] Penal substitution & "cosmic child abuse"
• [53:13] Conspiracy theories

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Tone & Style

Todd’s delivery balances seriousness on core doctrines with light-hearted banter and humor, aiming to encourage, exhort, and inform—while always circling back to biblical principles and practical wisdom.

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This summary covers all major content sections, distilling the episode's biblical counsel, key debates, and memorable conversational asides for easy reference—especially for those who haven’t listened in full.

Transcript

[Todd Friel]

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[Jimmy Hicks]

That is a bit above average.

[Todd Friel]

Now here's your host, Todd Freakishly Tall Friel.

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[Jimmy Hicks]

Yes?

[Todd Friel]

You know, when you went. Here's a correction for you. I heard from Gabe Poiro.

[Jimmy Hicks]

Oh, yeah, you heard from him?

[Todd Friel]

Yeah, I heard. I did. He said that you got it wrong, Jimmy.

[Jimmy Hicks]

What? I got it wrong?

[Todd Friel]

He. That he goes to mountain something church and somewhere.

[Jimmy Hicks]

Oh, yeah, that's what I said. He doesn't even go to church. I'm sorry, I got it wrong. You're right.

[Todd Friel]

You. You asked AI where he goes to church and apparently that was pretty dated. He hasn't gone there for a bit. So currently he's attending which church?

[Jimmy Hicks]

The church of no one.

[Todd Friel]

Yeah. So looking for it? Well, it's hard to find a good church in a metropolis like Dallas Fort Worth, don't you know? Yeah. Except for all of the good churches I personally know of in Dallas Fort Worth. Please send corrections. Jimmy needs them. Or whatever you want. 2877282233 7.

[Jimmy Hicks]

All right, we're going to start with a. I'm interested to hear how you answ, Todd. This is from Anonymous. If I could convince an atheist to read the Bible, which book of the Bible should I recommend they read first?

[Todd Friel]

It's kind of hard to go. I mean. Okay, so, Jimmy, I'm going to suggest a book. Go ahead then. Tell me I'm wrong.

[Jimmy Hicks]

Okay.

[Todd Friel]

Matthew.

[Jimmy Hicks]

Yeah.

[Todd Friel]

See, you can't. Romans. See, the only reason that Romans is Kind of hard because it is probably the densest theological letter that we have. I think Ephesians is shorter and it's easier to get. Especially the first several chapters, I think are super helpful. I think people can get that a whole lot betterer. I don't think that you can pick a wrong book in the Bible, to be honest, because people have been. Phil Johnson got saved reading First Corinthians. Okay. Wouldn't have picked that myself, but that's what God used. Okay. I remember that Jeff Allen, the comedian, he gave his testimony and he talked about just being totally down and out doing drugs. His career was totally flatlined. Every wife is leaving him. Basically everything's been repossessed. And he's sitting there wondering what to do with life. He goes to the kitchen cabinet, opens up the junk drawer and there's a cassette that a buddy had given to him and it was titled Ecclesia Klissochus. Ecclesiastic. So he just puts it into the boombox and he begins reading, vanity, Vanity, all his vanity. And he goes, that book gets me. And it led to his salvation.

[Jimmy Hicks]

That's the book I would recommend to an atheist.

[Todd Friel]

Really?

[Jimmy Hicks]

Yeah.

[Todd Friel]

See, I'm not going to argue with you.

[Jimmy Hicks]

Well, I mean, because I mean, think about it.

[Todd Friel]

That's true.

[Jimmy Hicks]

Solomon is asking questions that they're already asking and thinking.

[Todd Friel]

Yeah, but see, I think we immediately, in a question with a question like that, we think, which one is going to give them the clearest understanding of the gospel? Well, Ecclesiastes could cause them to go, whoa, my life is a bummer without God. That's not a bad thing.

[Jimmy Hicks]

But I think they come to the end of Ecclesiastes and that's when you handle Matthew.

[Todd Friel]

Yeah.

Okay.

I do believe the question was one book, Jimmy.

[Jimmy Hicks]

Okay. All right.

[Todd Friel]

Changing the rules. 8, 7, 7, 2, 822337.

[Jimmy Hicks]

All right. This is from Anonymous. This is a three part question, but it's all wrapped up into one.

[Todd Friel]

Do I need to take notes?

[Jimmy Hicks]

Maybe. Maybe he says, you know what?

[Todd Friel]

I'll write it on, Jimmy.

[Jimmy Hicks]

What's that?

[Todd Friel]

My notice that says no retreat. Advancing the gospel together. April through May 2026, a spring matching gift campaign for Fortis Institute.

[Jimmy Hicks]

We have one of those.

[Todd Friel]

Which one? A matching gift campaign? Yeah, I'm just reading the details. Let me read the deets here. Matching every gift given during the spring campaign is matched dollar for dollar, blah, blah, blah. Together, together. There's no retreat. Stand with the mission. Advance the gospel without retreat. Join the spring matching gift campaign. I guess fortisinstitute.org donate I guess I could write it on here.

[Jimmy Hicks]

Okay. All right. All right. You do that. All right. He says that I'm a young man who desires to enter vocational ministry. However, I struggle with same sex attraction. I praise God for his sanctifying grace in me, but the temptation is still present. My questions to you are. Number one, is same sex attraction in itself disqualifying for ministry? Number two, is same sex attraction inherently sinful? I fully recognize it's contrary to the nature as stated in Romans. And number three, where do I draw the line between what's sinful and not regarding the temptations? If I can't control what tempts me?

[Todd Friel]

And this is a young man. Yes, correct. This is what I'd like to start with and end with. You would do well to sit at the feet of your pastor elders in your church for a long season. For a long season. This is something that you need guidance on. It's something that you need a lot of help on. And I think it should be something where, before entering into vocational ministry that you would have to show a great deal of mastery over. Can we say that that particular sin would disqualify you? No. No more than any other sin would disqualify you. Unless, of course, you don't have that sin under control. It's simply not something that you can be losing to, even on occasion. It needs to be something where you have demonstrated this sin is mortified. Now, that does raise questions about the issue of temptation. There is a line, but we also need to understand that temptations that are inside of us and lurking, yes, they can be sinful. It's what you do with them. I think, in fact, was it the Puritan? Yeah, it was like Watson or Boston that we read, I think maybe a week or two ago. The temptation that flares up in your brain, whatever the temptation is, that's on Satan, what you do with it, that's going to be, if you will, on you. If. If you just like, nope, go away, done. Then you haven't sinned. You were tempted and you resisted temptation. If you are entertaining that, as soon as you start entertaining it, you are off to the sin races. So you need to recognize that I don't think that anybody should. And again, it doesn't matter what the sin is. Just because something pops in doesn't mean immediately that you're sinning. It means that you need to reject it, that you need to resist it immediately. Now, I believe that the question was, is same sex Attraction in and of itself sinful, then I would answer definitively, oh, absolutely. Of course. It is just like murderous ideations, thoughts about molesting somebody. Those are simply sinful inclinations that need to be mortified. I think it was the. It was the. What would. Jimmy, what was the name of the organization? They were. I believe they were a group of Presbyterians Revoice.

[Jimmy Hicks]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Todd Friel]

That was kind of the big debate are, hey, you can have those attractions, you just can't act on them. No, you can't have those attractions. Now this fellow writing in would say, but, but they happen again. It's finding that line between those things happening and acting on those things. So I think I hit all three of those points. Jimmy, is there anything that you would add to that?

[Jimmy Hicks]

Yeah, I would just. There's a lot there to.

[Todd Friel]

There was, yeah. So does it automatically disqualify you?

[Jimmy Hicks]

No, no.

[Todd Friel]

Are same sex attraction sinful? Yes. Where is the line of temptation when you start acting on it?

[Jimmy Hicks]

That's exactly right. That's what I would say. I mean, Martin Luther said that. Let me read the. He said, I can't control what tempts me. And he's right. You can't control what tempts you. Martin Luther said that you can't stop birds from flying over your head, but

[Todd Friel]

you can stop them from making a nest in your head.

[Jimmy Hicks]

Yeah, that's right.

[Todd Friel]

Yeah. That's good. Yeah. Yeah, that's good stuff. Now let me end where we began. That's why, young man, I would encourage you get yourself into a discipleship relationship with an older godly man. And if you're thinking about going into ministry, is it vocation? Is that even a word that is necessary? I think you're just. You're going into ministry.

[Jimmy Hicks]

That's right.

[Todd Friel]

Then you. I, I think you would. You would do well to make sure that it is somebody who is in ministry. And if I had. How long do you need to show victory over this sin? It ain't a short season. It's not a short season any more than it would be for any other sin. If somebody said, look, I love lying, but I want to go into ministry, does that sin disqualify me? Well, not necessarily. It could. What are you doing with that sin? And when was the last time that you told a lie? When was the last time that you felt like deceiving or actually went about the business of tricking somebody with your words? So I think the same thing is true with your sexual attraction. Gotta get that under control. And the length and the duration of that, I would leave up to an older godly man. Wanna add to that? 877-282-2337. This is wretched radio.

[Jimmy Hicks]

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[Todd Friel]

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Resources. Get your resources. Well, this one you gotta get somewhere else. This is Wretched Radio. We have resources here. We just give everything [e-mail] those are not the resources about which I am going to speak. Instead, Christopher Yawn. Y A U N Sounds like he's written two books on the subject of same sex attraction. Jimmy. I think the first one was like a bio.

[Jimmy Hicks]

Yeah, it's his story, his testimony out of a far country.

[Todd Friel]

All right. And the second book that he wrote

[Jimmy Hicks]

is Holy Sexuality and the Gospel.

[Todd Friel]

That's the one that I think where he really drills into the issue. It was the revoice issue that came up a few years ago. Same sex attraction. Is it innately sinful? I believe Christopher Yon would say yes. And here's how you go about the business of dealing with it. Reavoice said, no problem, just don't act on it. Well, no, we wouldn't say that about any other sin. You know, I've got a desire to beat up small children and I really like those desires. And those desires are fine. I'm just not going to do it. You go, hold on. First of all, that doesn't make sense. Second of all, no, same thing is true with same sex Attraction. Everything I've heard about Christopher Yawn has been positive. So I think that that would be a reliable resource for you if. And you are struggling with the issue of same sex attraction, especially the young man who wrote in with three points.

[Jimmy Hicks]

Three.

[Todd Friel]

But was that. That couldn't have been a text.

[Jimmy Hicks]

It was a text.

[Todd Friel]

Well, you must have had to be like swiping and swiping and swiping to read that.

[Jimmy Hicks]

No.

[Todd Friel]

All right, well, if you. If you'd be so kind, you can send up to three points, but no, here's why you can't send more than 3 points. You can't do it because on my piece of paper, that reminds me to remind you, no Retreat Advancing the Gospel, our spring matching gift campaign, which you can participate [e-mail] donate. I don't have the room for it. So you got to keep it to just three points. If you'd be so kind. See what I did right there? 8, 7, 7, 2, 8, 2, 2, 3, 3, 7.

[Jimmy Hicks]

All right. This is from Dan. He emailed in Todd. Seven year old, asked me when he could be baptized. And while that's every Christian parent like myself, that's what we want to hear. But if I'm being honest, my concern is that he's too young and may not fully understand what it means.

[Todd Friel]

Oh, man. How many? Every parent who's been in that situation, and they are legion, would say, oh, I feel you, bro. I think if you would ask Justin Peters, I think that he would say, I think he's up to 45 years old. You can't baptize them till they're 45. I think that's where Justin is at. I don't think we should put a number on it. Why? You've got maturation issues. Furthermore, I do believe that we've seen credible testimonies of people who have been saved at a younger age. It can happen. But the concern of the parent is, well, what if. Because we also know that children, for the most part, are compliant, especially regarding religious indoctrination. They kind of go along with mom and dad. They sing the songs. They'll even memorize Bible verses, but that doesn't mean that they're saved. So I wouldn't say that they couldn't be saved. And I would also say you don't want to block the Jacuzzi either. You don't want them to rush into the waters of baptism, but you don't want to keep them out of them either. So what do I recommend to this dad? I can't tell you. Do it. Yes, do it. No, because I don't know the boy. I don't know the testimony. But I would suggest in the context of your local church, would you please enlist the help of others who observe your son? Talk to the Sunday school teacher. How does he behave if he goes to a different school? Talk to the teachers. Have you noticed a change in my son? Because what you are looking for, I believe when it comes to helping to see if somebody's testimony is credible, is new fruit. Not fruit, new fruit. Because kids, they've got fruit. They've got certain propensities that can be quite wonderful. For instance, you've got a child who's really. They love to share. They're always sharing. They say, hey, mom and Dad, I got saved. I want to get baptized. And you go to look for fruit, and you See that they're sharing. Well, that ain't new. They're doing what they've done. You want to look for something different. They used to want to punch their sibling in the nose. Maybe they even did it regularly. But they've stopped. Now you're talking. Look for new fruit. They used to sass mouth mom and dad. Now they're showing respect. Look for new fruit. In keeping with repentance. Enlist others and just exercise wisdom. Jimmy. I can tell.

[Jimmy Hicks]

No, I was just gonna add.

[Todd Friel]

Leaning in.

[Jimmy Hicks]

I was just gonna add to what you were saying. Watch them for a time. You were given the sass mouthing. And I would add to that. Watch how they respond to correction.

[Todd Friel]

Good.

[Jimmy Hicks]

Are they. When they sin and get called, is there sorrow? Or are they just, you know, scared of the consequences?

[Todd Friel]

Sure. Or mad at you for catching them?

[Jimmy Hicks]

Right. That's a good indication. Especially when a kid's 7 years old.

[Todd Friel]

I would add this, though, just to make sure that nobody hears. So they've got to be perfect. No, not saying that. You're just looking for new fruit. You're looking for new attitudes, not perfection. But they're aimed in a new direction. And I think the best way to go about affirming or keeping them back for a season is by enlisting the help of those in your local church who get to observe your child alongside of you. 877-282-2337.

[Jimmy Hicks]

This is from Jonathan Todd. I hear people use God's name in vain fairly often. What should I say to someone misusing his name? Should I say anything at all?

[Todd Friel]

Depends on the setting. Depends on the person, depends on the time. Just wisdom. There's this huge, I don't want to call it a junk drawing Christendom because it seems to minimize its importance. Wisdom. This is a wisdom issue. Do you need to call out somebody every single time? I don't think so. Should you never call them out? I don't think so. I think wisdom needs to be employed and I think the opportunity needs to be considered. Is this appropriate timing? And I think the biggest issue in this is why do you want to correct them? What's the point? If it's just because it bugs you, it's probably not going to be super fruitful. But if it's because it's a demonstration that somebody is at war with God, then you want to help them. Not keep piling up more sins and potentially even lead them to the one that they've been insulting, who is willing to forgive them. Then you can approach them on it. But if it's just because. Hey, hey, hey, hey. What if I use that? Like, what's your God? What if I said that about you? Well, it's really not going to be super productive or helpful. Now let's just. Let's just turn up the heat on this one. That person is your boss. Would that play into it? I think it could, but I don't think that it should. I think the same criteria that you use to talk to just a co worker would apply to your boss just because they might have the authority to fire you. If you've determined this is the right thing to do. I do need to bring this up to this person. Because you've determined the importance of it, then I don't think that should keep you from doing it just because it's somebody who can give you a pink slip. Consider your motives, consider the opportunity, consider your agenda, and then use wisdom and send stuff to ideaetched.org I would add to that.

[Jimmy Hicks]

Of course you would, Jimmy. I would say consider the person too. I think he did say that. But if they're a believer, I think you do address.

[Todd Friel]

Oh, that's a good point. Okay. See, I was thinking just a pagan.

[Jimmy Hicks]

Yeah. I mean. Oh, yeah. But if they're a believer, I think. Oh, sure, you say that's the name of our king, man. Like you don't use it.

[Todd Friel]

And it could. And it could be just that quick.

[Jimmy Hicks]

Yeah.

[Todd Friel]

It doesn't have to be. I need to meet you for lunch.

[Jimmy Hicks]

But what you. Absolutely. What you said, if it's an unbeliever, what are you trying to accomplish? Because honestly, at the end of the day, you're asking somebody to honor a God they don't know. So you just got to take into account the entire situation. How close are they with you? How many. How much time are you going to spend with them? Why?

[Todd Friel]

Just give me a moment. Just. Just give me a moment. This is not going to be easy, huh? Good point, Jimmy. Good, good, Good point. Let's just move on now. Make the distinction between unbeliever and believer. That's an Excellent point. 877-282-2337.

[Jimmy Hicks]

All right, this is from Pete Todd. I know being involved in your local church is very important, and I try to be involved in mine. What are your thoughts on emergency response and law enforcement jobs which don't always allow you to be at church every Sunday morning?

[Todd Friel]

Define don't always. Can your career sometimes take you away and it be a valid reason to not be there on a Sunday morning? I think so. I think that there are sometimes it can be circumstances, but it needs to not be a persistent and consistent thing. If you've got a job that always demands you are elsewhere on Sunday, I think that you need to start looking for another opportunity because you can't have an ongoing neglect of the assembling of the saints. That's to your detriment and it's sinning. But can you sometimes because of, like, if you're an emergency responder and somebody needs you, I don't think the Lord is going to be displeased with you that you, first of all, you were responsible for your job and your calling, but that you went to help somebody. I think of it a couple of different scenarios. Number one, it's 18 and it snows heavily. You live in the Midwest, it snows heavily and you can't get to church. Are you sinning? No. The wagon can't get through. Second scenario, you're a pregnant woman, it's Sunday morning, you're driving to church, you go to labor, you go to the emergency room. Are you sinning? No, you're not. These are exceptions, but nevertheless, I think that there can be some valid exceptions. If you're concerned about is this one valid or not, guess what you need to do. You need to employ the wisdom of your local church. This is Wretched Radio,

[Jimmy Hicks]

And it's now time for your daily Fortis News break, a production of Fortis Institute. A young adult author has been bragging about designing her book cover to hide the content from parents. Rebecca Benheim is her name, and she recently said on Instagram that she wanted her new book to be, quote, gay enough for queer kids to clock it, but for homophobic parents to just think it's a friendship story. And then there's Sybiline, a Good Morning America YA book club pic that reportedly includes graphic scenes involving necrophilia and rape with no content warnings anywhere. An executive editor at Penguin Random House defended the industry's approach by arguing that since teenagers are going to encounter sex anyway through pornography, books offer a healthier medium. The state of Maine has released a draft ballot question for a measure that would limit school bathrooms in athletic teams based on biological sex. The citizen led proposals made the fall ballot after grassroots advocates gathered enough signatures. The Secretary of State, Sheena Bellows, worded the question to ask questions whether voters want to restrict access to bathrooms and sports based on the gender of the child's original birth certificate. Governor Ron DeSantis of Florida signed a bill blocking the state court from applying foreign or religious laws that violate constitutional rights. DeSantis said the state must operate under one legal system. Meanwhile, Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton is demanding documents from an Islamic tribunal that has reportedly been trying to replace legitimate courts with sharia based rulings. California governor Gavin Newsom's wife is out on a speaking tour, and it's not exactly helping his presidential ambitions. Jennifer Newsom told an audience she once spoke with San Quentin inmates about how she accidentally killed her sister with a golf cart as a child. Her point somehow was that violent criminals serving life sentences may have had the same kind of innocent mistake she did did. She also said that if women ran social media, they would never allow bigotry, racism and hate online, which is just abolished way of saying censorship. Minneapolis is moving toward designated parking lots for people living in their cars. The Planning commission voted unanimously to recommend the zoning changes, modeling the idea after similar programs in Denver. In Kansas, the governor, Laura Kelly, vetoed two pro life bills that would strengthen informed consent protection. The Republican legislature will almost certainly override her again, as they've done before. And in Texas, a federal judge dismissed a lawsuit against officials who briefly arrested a woman over a self induced abortion in 2022, ruling that they were protected by qualified immunity. And that wraps up today's Fortis news break. I'm Jimmy Hicks. If you want more, you can download Fortis or subscribe. Sign up to become a Fortis Insider for exclusive daily content. Both of those things can be [e-mail] and don't forget, you can subscribe to Fortis News on your favorite podcast app in order to get these updates daily. And until tomorrow, go serve your king.

[Todd Friel]

Lexicon Providence is the word we use to describe God's preserving, upholding and governing of his creation. God sustains his creation day to day through ordinary means established at the beginning of time, and he intervenes in miraculous ways in all things. God is working for his glory and for the good of those who love Him. This is Wretched Radio with Todd Friel.

Name that Tune. This is Wretched Radio.

[Jimmy Hicks]

Well, I know that's Sanford and Son.

[Todd Friel]

How'd you know that, Jimmy?

[Jimmy Hicks]

I know it, okay?

[Todd Friel]

Unlike you, I haven't seen Sanford and Son for decades. And yet there's the theme song right there. Do you want to know what other what other song was stuck in my oh, this is. This is just flat out humiliating. Would you like to know what was running around in my brain the other day when it made me stop and go? It is amazing how much you retain from childhood, especially when it's set to music.

[Jimmy Hicks]

What's that?

[Todd Friel]

Comet. It makes your teeth turn green. Comet. It takes, like, gasoline. Comet. It makes you vomit. So use Comet and vomit today. Okay. There's something I haven't said in a long time. Somehow, Comet. I don't know. How come I don't know if I saw a comment. I don't know if I was cleaning a bathroom sink, whatever it was, and I can repeat it. Why? Because I memorized it as a child. Make sure your kids, they are being catechized. Make sure your kids are memorizing Scripture. Because when you get to be Jimmy's age, forget about it. You still watch the Sanford and Son, do you?

[Jimmy Hicks]

Yeah, every once in a while. Every once in a while. You don't? You don't?

[Todd Friel]

I couldn't. Was it clean? Dirty? I have no recollection of that.

[Jimmy Hicks]

Oh, it's. It's terrible.

[Todd Friel]

Oh, is that right?

[Jimmy Hicks]

I didn't realize how bad it was until I just watched it.

[Todd Friel]

There was a comedian. I can't remember who. I can't remember who it was, but they said that they went to Las Vegas and they saw Red Fox perform. Oh, they said. And I don't think that this comedian that I was talking to was a believer or was, like, pure in its standup routine. Thought it was the most vulgar, crass, vile, filthy show that he had ever seen in his entire life. 8, 7, 7, 2, 8, 2, 2, 3, 3, 7.

[Jimmy Hicks]

All right. This is from Dylan Todd. Jesus said in Matthew 22 that in heaven we won't be married nor be given in marriage. I've always heard that the first instance of marriage we see is Adam and eve in Genesis 2, prior to the fall. What do you think, or why do you think it is that we're introduced? Marriage in the garden, where everything is perfect, but denied it in heaven.

[Todd Friel]

Because it's a pointer. It's a pointer. It's a pointer. It's a pointer. Once we have the object to which it points, we don't need the pointer anymore. Now, I don't know how you feel about that. I know how I feel about that. I like to think I know how Mrs. Friel feels about that. Like, cut off both of my arms and legs. What? Not be married. I mean, I wouldn't know how to function, frankly. It would be like. The thought of it is horrific. Furthermore, all the memories. How's about making children together and to be in heaven and not to be married to her? Well, let's just start with what the Bible reveals to us. First of all it is a pointer. It's the lesser pointing to the greater. Second of all, when you are in heaven, guess what? You are going to be married in that your relationship with your Savior and your relationship with others will be at that profound level, even deeper. Even deeper. Because it's the marriage supper of the lamb. We are going to experience a deeper relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ than anything we could, even in the best of marriages, could imagine here, because it was merely a pointer. So when we get to heaven, you will have deeper profound relationships than you have even here. But I have begged, and I don't mean in an Alistair kind of way, I have begged the question, what about your actual spouse? From here, will you be married? Well, in the same sense that you'll be married to everybody else, but it's not. You're going to be in that covenant union, that former covenant union. Does that mean then that my relationship somehow is going to be like, hi, how are you? Nice to see you. Good. Another nice day, huh? Wasn't that meal incredible? No, I don't think it's going to be that way at all. Why? Because I don't think that we get memory swiped when we go to heaven, that those experiences are still there. I think we're going to sit around the table and we're going to talk about those, married or not. Hey, do you remember that time we went on the missions trip? Oh, and you remember that when we. All of those things are still going to be there. And they can be lovely reminiscences. Same thing is true with your spouse. It doesn't go away. That special relationship is not going to be diminished. It's actually going to be enhanced. So don't fret. If you're one of those who think that the thought of not being with your spouse is just insufferable, know that you'll first of all have an even greater addition to that. And I don't think that all of the sweet memories that you've stored up together are going to disappear. You have nothing but good to look forward to in heaven. 8, 7, 7, 2, 8, 2, 2, 3, 3, 7.

[Jimmy Hicks]

All right, here's a text from Josiah Todd. Is the doctrine of eternal security essential to understanding the gospel?

[Todd Friel]

Depends. It depends. Well, is it essential, understanding the gospel? No, I don't think it's like I'm just focusing on the point. Let me just focus on the point before you get mad at me for suggesting that it's not important. Regarding. Is it necessary for understanding salvation? I don't think that somebody who's getting saved needs to answer that theological question correctly. They might not even have pondered it or thought of it. I think they can still get saved. Now, is it a doctrine of cardinal importance? Does it rise to the level of essential? And I would say that the answer is it could be. It doesn't necessarily have to. That somebody. Because they don't think that God is strong enough, he's not capable, or I have to maintain my status. That's trouble. That's not good. That's not good at all. But if somebody just doesn't understand, it's like, well, it seems that I was taught when I was a kid that I could lose my salvation. I don't think that they're heretics. Could somebody have a deficient view of God which might indicate they're disqualified from actually being a believer? I think so. But it would have to be something that I think was contemplated and is articulated in a way that denies the infinitude of God, that when he saves, he saves forever. Nobody can snatch anybody from his hand. That people are indeed eternally secure if they're rejecting that because they either don't believe the clarity of the Bible or they don't believe in the omnipotence of God and his ability to save forever. Yeah, yeah, that. That. That would be a problem. Jimmy, anything to add to that?

[Jimmy Hicks]

Yeah, I mean, I just. The only thing that I would add to it. I don't disagree with anything that you're saying, but just the people who would disagree with. With that doctrine. I don't get it. I mean, if the doctrine isn't essential to the gospel, then the gospel is an offer without a guarantee.

[Todd Friel]

But again, for the person who probably hasn't thought that through, they haven't considered it. They're maybe new to the faith. I think that needs to be introduced and taught. I think eternal security is a glorious doctrine. And furthermore, I just think it's super clear. I just know that there's a lot of genuine sweet believers who have just been taught, I think, wrongly on this subject. I wouldn't say that it makes them a heretic if they just got it wrong, but they're not assailing the character and the nature of God.

[Jimmy Hicks]

Right? No, I completely understand what you're saying, and I agree with it. I just wanted to say I agree with you, Todd. I wanted you to know it's okay that I don't always disagree with you.

[Todd Friel]

Just give me a moment. This has been a big day for us, Jimmy. [e-mail] this is from Wade Todd.

[Jimmy Hicks]

Would you suggest, or what would you suggest to a rural non seminarian to do as the next step after. It's not Greek to me.

[Todd Friel]

Oh, you're gonna have to dive in deeper, I'm afraid. You gotta pick yourself, your favorite teacher, your favorite book. There's a number online that you can go check out. I don't think Bill Mounts is the only game in town. I think he's been historically, I think for evangelicals, the Greek go to guy. But I don't think he's the only guy. I think. I think that you can study it online. There's probably. I'll bet there's a ton of YouTube videos that would teach it differently or not differently, but would teach it thoroughly. I think also that there are books that you can get to teach you Greek more formally. I'm trying to remember Crosby Schaeffer was the book Introduction to Biblical Greek that I used. I don't think I'd recommend it. If you do not have a longer history with ancient languages. If you haven't studied, for instance, Latin probably for a number of years, the Crosby Schaeffer book would be like, boing. If I read to you the first sentence in the book and you are uninitiated in ancient languages, you'd be like, what is that dude talking about? So go online, do some research. You can do some YouTube stuff and you can also do online. I'm just thinking the Master's univers. Let's look up Jimmy and just see what classes somebody might be able to take a look at at the Masters University. Masters, Eduardo. You could do some online classes with the Greek language too. I suspect that you could, and they might not insist that you actually have a physical presence on campus. It might just be something that you can do exclusively online. You find it already? I doubt it.

[Jimmy Hicks]

No, I mean, I'm looking.

[Todd Friel]

Yeah. Don't use your AI machine. We'll be here all day waiting for that. Honestly, man, just crank that. You got this. There's a handle on the side. Just crank that thing up a little bit further and keep going, keep going, keep going. Blue Letter Bible can be helpful. There's interlinear translations, but there's also. It's not Greek to me, which is an introductory course which is available for free at say it together, fortisplus.org this is wretched radio.

[Jimmy Hicks]

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[Todd Friel]

Today?

[Jimmy Hicks]

All you have to do is go to fortisinstitute.org right now to find out what it would look like in your life to do just that. Wretched Amazing Grace Amazing Gospel. Well, you can't judge me. You've heard that a thousand times. It's the verse people quote when they don't want to be corrected. Even people who've never opened a Bible. But here's the Is that actually what Scripture teaches, or have we been misreading one of the most misunderstood commands in the entire Bible? Thou Shalt Judge is a 13 lesson series with Todd Friel and Justin Peters that sets the record straight. They demonstrate why failing to discern Truth from error doesn't make you loving, it makes you dangerous. Righteous judgment isn't hateful. It's one of the most loving things you can do because it protects people from the damage of false teaching. This series even includes a free study guide. It's perfect for your family, your youth group, or just working through yourself. If you've ever been told that calling something wrong makes you the problem, this is one you'll want to watch. It's streaming free on Facebook. Download the app where you download apps on your smartphone, your smart TV, or just simply go to fortisplus.org.

[Todd Friel]

Names of God we learn a lot about God from the names given to him in Scripture. One name is Jehovah Sitkinu, the Lord of our righteousness. Second Corinthians, chapter 5, verse 21 tells us that God made Jesus, who knew no sin to be sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. This is Wretched Radio with Todd Friel.

Happy hunting. This is Wretched Radio. Went to the Googler machine to look for Greek online courses. Wow. There's not a few. There's a ton of them listed there. Starting with Take intensive Greek classes. That doesn't sound like fun. Greek language school, the Greek online school, the online Greek tutorial, Free Greek lessons. Somebody at Reddit who made a list of all of the free Greek learning tools that are available online, videos and apps and dictionaries and websites. So in other words, happy hunting. Look for the course that makes the most sense for you. If you started or you just check it out and it's like, I'm not tracking. I don't understand what's happening there, then abandon it and go find a better one. Because you just don't want to be in this haze all the time. And if you've never studied Greek and you want to do something online, I would encourage you and commend to you our resource. It's free, so we're not shilling anything here. It's not Greek to me because I wrote that it's only like seven, nine lessons, something like that. You're not going to become a Greek scholar with that view. Lectures and you're not going to be speaking Koine Greek fluently, but it will help you to understand this is how the language works. If you don't understand ancient languages and how they're structured and there are distinct there's differences between Hebrew, certainly Greek and Latin, but you want to get a grasp because those languages, they simply put together sentences differently and they have a different way of treating verbs and they have a different way of treating even nouns from prefixes to endings and declensions and conjugations. If all of that is just like a what a mystery to you, then scoot to fortisplus.org and look for it is. It's not Greek to me. Then once you're done with that, if you've got a hunger for Greek, go online and find stuff. I do believe that they teach Greek at Mastersu, but we couldn't find it that wasn't inside of a course. In other words, a degree program. So you might have to call up the kids at Master's if you want to just do like a one off course in Greek. I don't know if they do that or not, but I will send an email to Dario and I'll find out and share that with you because you might want to do that at the very least. If you are in pastoral ministry and you've never studied Greek, there's much deeper Greek courses. Believe me, there are much deeper Greek courses that you can take more. But it's not Greek to me. Will at least help you be able to use your Blue Letter Bible. It'll help you to use an interlinear translation. It'll just help you read commentaries. When they say the aorist tense being used in the participular form in the middle voice of the. You're going to at least know what they're talking about. It is just a basics course. Jimmy, you mentioned during the break that you're using what these days?

[Jimmy Hicks]

Logo software.

[Todd Friel]

You rich?

[Jimmy Hicks]

No. You used to have to be. You used to have to be extremely rich. It was thousands of dollars. But now they have subscription levels where you pay monthly.

[Todd Friel]

And do they have Greek courses on it?

[Jimmy Hicks]

I think they do have courses. I haven't looked into the courses, but I think they do have lectures and courses on a bunch of different stuff, including languages. So yeah, far out.

[Todd Friel]

Then that's a different model for them because I remember when it was first introduced this is pretty the sophisticated level that we're at with the Internet and certainly AI it was like, whoa, that's really helpful. All of this assembling of word studies and all this assembling on all of the different commentaries. This is like, whoa. Well, it's less whoa these days because, well, if you know how to look for it, you can probably find it out there. But it's still a helpful tool. You believe the logos?

[Jimmy Hicks]

Oh, absolutely. There's a learning curve for sure.

[Todd Friel]

Then I'm out I mean, they have

[Jimmy Hicks]

training on there though. There is a learning curve, but once you get the hang of it, it. It's some really good.

[Todd Friel]

See, I'm worse than your mom and Sanford and Son when it comes to technology. Yeah, I'd probably struggle. You know I'd struggle with it, don't you?

[Jimmy Hicks]

You would. You would. Because I struggle with it.

[Todd Friel]

Better are the wounds of a friend than the kisses of an enemy. Okay, your mom basically watches Sanford and Son because she can't find any other channel on her sophisticated tv.

[Jimmy Hicks]

That's right.

[Todd Friel]

I'm worse than that. It's true, Jimmy. Am I lying?

[Jimmy Hicks]

No, no, it's. I've said it before and I'll say it again two or three times a week from down the hall I hear help.

[Todd Friel]

It's. It's. It's. You know which one I always need help on. I hit a button and what the. The little screen that was on my screen. The little thing that was open. I don't want to get all technological on you. It suddenly becomes full screen. I don't want it full screen. But there's no buttons to put. How do I get this back? And then Matt just walks into my office, clicks a couple of buttons, shuffles out, muttering underneath his breast. 8, 7, 7, 2, 8, 2, 2, 3, 3, 7. All right.

[Jimmy Hicks]

This is from Theresa Todd. My friend doesn't believe in penal substitutionary atonement and the wrath of God on Jesus at the cross, but rather simply that Jesus willingly gave himself as a sacrifice for our sins. And she believes it would be cosmic child abuse for God otherwise. Can one go to heaven after seeing in scripture these truths and reject them?

[Todd Friel]

No. No. Now could it be a possibility that your friend is saved and after opening up the Bible and showing her all of these verses, she has no other option but to go, I was wrong. I am so. Oh, that I was wrong with this. I need to be instructed better then that would be. Actually we actually. Do we not have a biblical demonstration of that with Apollos? He didn't understand baptism, right? He didn't understand it fully. He was taught and went, nope. Okay, got it. It didn't mean he wasn't saved, it just meant that he wasn't instructed. That could be her case. But this is different than eternal security. Eternal security can be carnal. I don't think that properly placed it is. It's like really close. But I don't think it is an essential doctrine. Which means you'd be damned if you got it wrong. But if it compromises the character and the nature of God, then you are in really dangerous waters. The issue of penal substitutionary atonement. Nope, that's cardinal. That's all there is to it. That is a cardinal doctrine. That is the doctrine of justification. That is the doctrine of grace alone. Faith alone in Christ alone. Show her. Just go. Do you use your logo software? Or you can just use whatever concordance you got. Look up the word propitiation. Look up the word justification, that he died for our sins over and over and over. It's not a one off. It is just a constant repetitious banging of the drum of justification. That what she's. What she's citing, by the way. That's probably James Talarico. These are other versions of penal subs, other versions of the atonement that try to explain away what they call. I remember Greg Boyd was the first one that I heard use that. It's cosmic child abuse. No, it's not. Cosmic child abuse is somebody who's angry and out of control incorrectly and unjustly punishing a child. That's hardly what happened on the cross. When from eternity past Jesus Christ agreed to go to the cross, God wasn't out of control. This wasn't unbridled wrath. No, this was all predetermined. It was settled. It was exactly right. Why? Why? For the payment of sins. If you lose payment of sins, then yeah, you're going to see it as cosmic child abuse because it's pointless. But I would say that also applies to what this young lady that is being written about believes that it was. What did she say, Jimmy? That it's just an example or something of love. She believes it would be cosmic child abuse. All right, then what was the point of it? Ask her. Then what was the point of it? Why would a man who is not crazy march to a cross? He said it himself that he could call down legions of angels and get out of this. But he didn't. Why? And turn this argument around. Put it on them. The burden is on you. The Bible is so clear. The burden is on you. So tell me, if Jesus didn't die for sins, then what was he doing there? You explain it and then open up your Bible and show them. And let the word do the convicting and convincing. 8 7, 7, 2, 8 2, 2, 33 7.

[Jimmy Hicks]

All right. This is a text from Wyatt Todd. Recently I've been seeing the subject of conspiracy theor like crazy ideas like the flat earth or 911 being an inside job. How should Christians respond to these ideas? Should we sincerely look into them for, for the truth or just ignore them completely?

[Todd Friel]

Well, does this person not think 911 was an insight? Oh, sorry. We seem to be in an era of that there's conspiracy theories have always existed and, and, and I think the joke is it's. It's only a conspiracy theory until it's proven to be true. It does happen sometimes. What was esteemed a cons theory. It's like, oh, there it is after all, I think, what do I do with these things? With a brother or sister who believes these things? I'm not being cheeky, I'm not trying to give kind of a let's just move on kind of an answer, but honestly, what do I do about it? Nothing. Nothing. It's just not important. It just isn't. It'll get sorted, it'll come out in the wash. If 9 11, if that happened to have been an inside job, it'll come out someday. And if it doesn't, oh well. And if my brother or sister believes it, I'm trying to. That doesn't even get to the level of tertiary doctrine. It's not a doctrine at all. I've got brothers and sisters, they do believe in flat earth theory. And I don't mean this like my attitude toward them is negative. I don't care. I just. I don't care. It's not that I don't care if I love them, I just don't care that they hold to that. Why? Because it just doesn't make a difference. Until tomorrow. Go serve your king.