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Brandi Denise
Can't I just let it go?
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Margaret Cho
Katerina.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah. Immediate wrong turn was letting Lucia sit on both me and Brandy, who got shedded on.
Margaret Cho
I'm sorry.
Jameela Jamil
So shedding shed worth it. Thank you for joining us today, Margaret. I love you. And we also welcome an actress and comedian who's performed on the Tonight show and acted in Power Power Book 2. Ghost and bets games people play.
Brandi Denise
It's Brandy.
Jameela Jamil
Bloody Denise. Hello.
Margaret Cho
Yeah.
Jameela Jamil
How are you both? Great. Great.
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Margaret Cho
Yeah.
Brandi Denise
Some puppy love.
Margaret Cho
Yeah. She loves you. She's, like, trying to get you.
Brandi Denise
She could come over.
Margaret Cho
She's trying to get to you. She's into you.
Jameela Jamil
Very, very into you. Yeah. So when it comes to disaster, is it something that you are drawn to or is it drawn to you?
Margaret Cho
I don't know if it's drawn to me, but I know that they've happened and then I kind of just absorb them. And it's kind of good if you're a comic, too, because things, you can use them as material.
Brandi Denise
I have sugar on my hand. I don't know. She's just into it. What is going on?
Jameela Jamil
You Are getting fucked by this dog, by the way.
Margaret Cho
Like, I'm watching.
Jameela Jamil
I'm watching something that feels like I should be paying what is on my hand.
Brandi Denise
Yeah, I'm sorry.
Jameela Jamil
And what about you? Do you feel like you're followed around by disaster? Is it hunting you down or are you okay?
Brandi Denise
No, I'm not followed around by it. I rebuke that. No, absolutely not. Disaster. No. I think sometimes I allow situations to continue out because I'm there for the story, baby.
Margaret Cho
Yeah.
Brandi Denise
Yeah.
Margaret Cho
I'm like, that's like. You get like this thing where I'm here for the plot.
Brandi Denise
Right.
Margaret Cho
You know, And I want to know what it means.
Brandi Denise
How does this end?
Margaret Cho
How does this end?
Jameela Jamil
Yeah, 100%. How far would you be willing to take that?
Brandi Denise
I think you'll hear about it in my story.
Jameela Jamil
Okay, do you have any examples of micro humiliations to kind of give us an idea of what your scale of embarrassment is?
Margaret Cho
Well, one was I was at the airport very early and I was really hungry and I ordered a. A breakfast burrito. And I'm on the phone with somebody and I'm talking and the breakfast burrito came up really quickly, like almost instantaneously. So I'll take it. And I took it and I started eating it. And then while I'm eating it, the person at the counter came up and she goes, margaret, your burrito's ready. Margaret. Margaret. And then another person started coming up and going, well, I ordered a burrito a while ago and I don't know where it is. I obviously, I was eating that person's burrito and I was trying to choke it down as fast as I could because it was so embarrassing that I was eating this person's burrito. They were having an argument and still I'm hearing, Margaret, Margaret. And the person I'm on the phone with was a witness. And they're laughing at the fact that I'm trying to eat this burrito while my name is being called.
Jameela Jamil
Just scoffing it down.
Margaret Cho
Yeah. And this other person is yelling about their burrito and where is it? And they've been waiting for a long time. And it was so funny and so embarrassing.
Jameela Jamil
Did they ever find out?
Margaret Cho
No, because I choked it down and I walked out as quickly as possible.
Jameela Jamil
You deep throated a burrito at 8 o' clock in the morning?
Margaret Cho
I took it all the way to the burrito end. Till the wrapped end.
Jameela Jamil
Jesus Christ. Yes. What about you, Brandy? Any micro humiliation stories?
Brandi Denise
Yeah, I was in. It was like early middle school. And, you know, I'm a woman. I identify as a woman. And I had started my menstrual and I can say periods. Well, yeah, okay. I started bleeding, y'.
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Brandi Denise
So I wasn't, you know, I was young. I wasn't.
Jameela Jamil
I started Aunt Flo's monthly visits.
Brandi Denise
I didn't track it and I didn't know and I didn't. I wasn't, you know, used to signs and things like that yet.
Margaret Cho
Yeah.
Brandi Denise
And so it started in the middle of Spanish class. And we were about to take a test. And so I tell my teacher, Mr. Julio. That's his real name, Mr. Julio. Hey, I have a. Hold on.
Margaret Cho
I'm sorry.
Brandi Denise
The licking. So I was like, okay, I have a. I have to go to the bathroom. I go to the bathroom. Don't have any type of products. They didn't have them in the middle school bathroom. So I do what any, you know, 12, 11 year old girl would do. I just get a bunch of tissue. I'm like, yeah, it's the plan. Shove it down my pants.
Jameela Jamil
I still do that.
Brandi Denise
This is me today.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah.
Brandi Denise
And so I do it. And I had on really short shorts that day. And so I go in the class, I take my test, and my crush was in there. His name was Miles Walker. He's sitting in there. I get done with my test, I raise my hand, go to the front. And I don't know if I had a loose underwear or what, but it fell out.
Margaret Cho
Yeah.
Brandi Denise
On the floor. And I go. I didn't know. I didn't.
Jameela Jamil
How big is it? Like fist.
Brandi Denise
It was like, Like. Yeah, like. Like this? Probably like this.
Jameela Jamil
And has it gone, like solid?
Brandi Denise
It was. It was pretty soaked. Oh, so it fell out red.
Jameela Jamil
Like a dead rat?
Brandi Denise
Yeah, like just a red beanbag. Just on the ground. And so my crush. I don't know how, but it fell in front of him. He sees it, he gets up to go turn to his test. He. He goes, ew, what is this? And kicks it to another student. The other student goes, gross. And they kick it to another student. And I'm like, is that me? And they kick it to me. I'm like, gross. And I kick it. I'm like, yeah, that's real nasty. I gotta go to the bathroom again.
Margaret Cho
Well, the liability, so that nobody knew who it came from.
Brandi Denise
I did what you did. I just left that joint.
Margaret Cho
Yeah, completely what it is.
Brandi Denise
I don't know who Margaret is.
Margaret Cho
Plausible deniability. Because it's like you can definitely, if you're asked to kick it where it's Being kicked to you. And then you kick it away. You kicked away the situation, Margaret.
Jameela Jamil
I don't know. You've got to keep control of your puppy because this dog is bathing Brandi. Any part of her skin that is.
Margaret Cho
She's like, can't get enough of you.
Jameela Jamil
You're gonna. I think. I think Lucci is gonna eat Brandy by the end.
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Brandi Denise
I don't think we're compatible, baby girl.
Jameela Jamil
I think that is the opposite of the problem. I think I've never seen. I want you two to get a room. Like, this is.
Brandi Denise
She's sitting there, like, staring.
Jameela Jamil
Like, she's staring. I would like to start the episode this week with one of my micro humiliations. I don't even know if I'd call it micro, which is that I had this memory this morning when I was on my way into work of something really embarrassing that happened with myself and my boyfriend, which is that we had an ant problem in our kitchen. We went and we bought ant spray, ant killer spray. I think it was like Raid or something. We sprayed it all over the kitchen floor. And then we got our dinner and then got on with our night and then went to bed. And then at about 1am, James wakes up and starts projectile vomiting. Something black, like black poison. And his nerves start, like. His whole body starts shaking and his nerves are in agony. And this man never gets sick, like, the whole time of COVID He got Covid one time and it was like this. This is his entire symptoms once. That was it. That was his entire Covid experience. I've never seen him sick. And he's dying right in front of me. And then we're trying to figure it out, trying to look after him. We're not sure if we should take him to the emergency room or not. He just keeps vomiting and vomiting. I'm like, what did he eat? We'd eaten the same thing that night. And it's black. What? He's vomiting. And then within 40 minutes, I start vomiting black. And now. Now I'm like, now, this is serious. We should go to a hospital. We have a problem now? No, but we're now both, like, falling apart and now unable to look after each other. There's no one who can look after him, and there's no one who can look after us. So we're like, fuck, I think we do actually need to get to the hospital. So we barely managed to get ourselves into a cab, go to the emergency room, and are now falling apart. Like, truly, all of our nerves are, like, on fire. It feels like, we have fevers of like 102, 103. We're becoming delirious. We're trying to explain to the doctors what the fuck has happened. And we realize he's bought Outdoor Raid outdoor ant spray, which you are never supposed to ever go near. And we've been walking on it with our fucking bare feet when we went to get our dinner in the kitchen. And it's the most absorbent part of your body is your fucking feet. So we were full of the very ant poison that we had tried to put into those small, innocent ants that were just trying to get a fucking snack. And that was direct karma. And it changed our philosophy for the rest of time towards how we treat insects. Peppermint oil. We will divert. We'll be cleaner people. But we both almost died.
Brandi Denise
Yeah.
Jameela Jamil
That night from fucking ant poison.
Margaret Cho
That's so scary.
Jameela Jamil
So when it says, outside, James, put it outside. Put it the fuck outside. That was his domain, not mine. But yeah, almost died in quite humiliating fashion.
Brandi Denise
That sounds like an episode of Black Mirror. Yeah, like, well, how. Honey, I shrunk the ants. And then they. It's the new version.
Jameela Jamil
Wouldn't it be amazing if I'm actually the ant? And now my antenna comes out and we've fallen laughing at you. Okay, I'm dying to get into your stories. We're gonna be right back after the break.
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Jameela Jamil
So, Margaret, tell me what was your wrong turn?
Margaret Cho
My wrong turn is I had a really bad problem in always going on crazy diets. I'm like, this is the diet that's going to work. This is the thing. This is the thing. And so I came upon one diet where I only ate fruit. And it was an offshoot of another diet that I started that was raw food. And then it was raw, vegan, like nothing processed, nothing. Like.
Jameela Jamil
And what year was this?
Margaret Cho
This was in 2000.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah. No one knew how to cook raw food then at all. It was just ass and like tree bark, basically.
Margaret Cho
Like any, you know, raw, just whatever, produce. I was just eating fruit as it just became easier. And then I was just going to eat one fruit and I went through the Alphabet. I started with apples, then went to bananas. I was on this diet for a long time. So I got to persimmons.
Jameela Jamil
How exciting was your personality at this time?
Margaret Cho
I was not. I was so dry. I was like, you know, we're just dry angry.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah.
Margaret Cho
I didn't have a period at all.
Brandi Denise
Oh, like, like bad.
Margaret Cho
But it wasn't thinner. Yeah, like, I was just like melon. You know, you could be anorexic and not be thin, which is the most horrifying thing. Like, I mean, like, how dare you actually be in anorexia and not even be thin? Like, I was so betrayed by the system.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah.
Brandi Denise
Were you juicing?
Margaret Cho
Juicing.
Jameela Jamil
But like, she's on a full sugar Diet.
Margaret Cho
It's all sugar.
Brandi Denise
It is.
Margaret Cho
It's all fruit. So it is juicing. But mostly just eating the fruit, sometimes drying it, like in a food dehydrator.
Jameela Jamil
More sugar, faster and smaller bites.
Brandi Denise
Just eating that. Good.
Margaret Cho
And I.
Jameela Jamil
And Margaret got diabetes, right.
Margaret Cho
That's what I probably should. That's probably what it should have happened. But I was driving in like rush hour traffic and I didn't think about it. I didn't think about it. I was like, I'm just gonna get in the car. I'm gonna need to drive. And I was in the middle, on the far left, far from the exit, couldn't get off, trapped in traffic and realized, I'm gonna shit my pants right now. I'm gonna shit my pants right now. And then I'm trying to bargain, like with myself. Well, maybe I'll just let out a little bit.
Brandi Denise
What if I just.
Margaret Cho
Honey, Let out a little bit.
Jameela Jamil
So I are trying to bargain with your anus?
Margaret Cho
Yeah, I'm trying to bargain. So I'm trying to pinch my asshole.
Jameela Jamil
Sorry.
Margaret Cho
I'm trying to pinch it so that I'm only letting out the liquid and not the solids.
Brandi Denise
Because I think that's. What do you have two separate entrances?
Jameela Jamil
What is this?
Brandi Denise
That's some control right there.
Margaret Cho
You know when you can just kind of.
Jameela Jamil
No, what do you have, like a strainer?
Margaret Cho
Yeah.
Jameela Jamil
That you can.
Brandi Denise
Yeah.
Jameela Jamil
What's happening here?
Margaret Cho
I think there is like just. I don't know why I was just able to make that bargain for myself. I'm just going to let out the tip. Maybe like if I let out a little bit.
Jameela Jamil
Maybe you're trying to let out the solid, not the liquid.
Margaret Cho
Yeah, well, let out the liquid instead of the solid, but maybe let out a little bit of all of it to. Just. Because it was like build up. Pressure was building.
Brandi Denise
Question was like pulling over, not an option.
Margaret Cho
Well, I was so far in the traffic and so you know how they don't let you in?
Jameela Jamil
Yeah.
Margaret Cho
So they won't let you out. When you're like back to back traffic, LA traffic. Yeah. And you're in the far left lane and you can't get off and it's just. You're gonna try, but it was. The onset of the shit was so sudden.
Brandi Denise
Oh, my God.
Margaret Cho
Because you know when you eat something like that and you're only eating that, like your digestive system is so off.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah. But also you're on like fiber. You're in Fiber city.
Brandi Denise
Yeah.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah.
Margaret Cho
So there's no balance, there's no regulation it's just. It was irrational. Suddenly I'm hit with the shit sweats. Like, it wasn't like I had any time to think, maybe I should go to the bathroom. No, no, none of that. And the whole time and so sorry, just.
Jameela Jamil
So your thinking was this A little bit, for some reason, reminds me of the earthquakes in la where I feel like the reason we haven't had the big quake is because we've had all these little quakes. And I'm like, are they the little farts before the big. You know what I mean? It's like we keep getting these little releases of. Of energy, of tension and forwards. It gives us. It buys us more time. And I feel as though my philosophy with the LA earthquakes is the same as yours with your bum hole. Right. You were just like, give it a bit, delay the bit.
Margaret Cho
That's what I thought. That's what I thought.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah.
Margaret Cho
I thought that I was, you know, saving myself something. I thought I was doing some service to myself by trying to separate it, trying to delay the inevitable.
Jameela Jamil
And.
Margaret Cho
But then I was like, I'm shitting. And then I just had to just let it go. Like, I couldn't because the pressure was so intense and it was so painful. I had to just let it go. And then it all started coming out. And then the whole time.
Jameela Jamil
What were you wearing?
Brandi Denise
Jeans.
Jameela Jamil
Okay.
Brandi Denise
How do you do that sitting down? Did you have to, like, lift up?
Margaret Cho
No, because it was so liquid that it just spread over my whole ass.
Brandi Denise
Oh, my God.
Margaret Cho
So it's like. It's not like a. One solid came out. It was like all of the liquid spread over.
Jameela Jamil
It's like a tsunami. You know what I mean? It just sort of goes all around.
Margaret Cho
And around to the.
Jameela Jamil
You know how, like, at the end of the world movies where, like, the water engulfs the Statue of Liberty?
Brandi Denise
Yeah.
Jameela Jamil
Like Margaret's. The Statue of Liberty, just like washing.
Margaret Cho
Up to her head, coming up the sides, rapidly getting cold. It's like making Greek yogurt. You know when you drain the milk solids through the cheesecloths and you.
Jameela Jamil
Is that what you were trying.
Margaret Cho
That's what I was doing with my shit. I was making like a shit strainer. Like a ricotta, Right? Like a shit. Separating the liquid whey from the milk solids.
Brandi Denise
Chemistry or something.
Jameela Jamil
That's how they make paneer.
Brandi Denise
Just try to separate the elements.
Margaret Cho
But my jeans are holding it in.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah. But thank God. Cause it comes out so hot. Yeah, it's lava.
Margaret Cho
Yeah, it's like lava and acid. And so it's hurting my skin. And, like, kind of just it's starting to leak through. Like, the liquid part of it is leaking through the denim into the fabric of my car seat.
Jameela Jamil
Has it got those little air pockets so that it's going into your.
Margaret Cho
Yeah, it's going into the actual seat the whole time. The song Holiday by Madonna is blasting. So every time I hear that song now, I have, like, a ptsd.
Brandi Denise
Your stomach's like, poo tsd, Poo tsd.
Margaret Cho
It's coming out, and I'm, like, scared. And then I had to deal with. And then I was still in traffic, and then I'm like, what do I do? What do I do? And it took almost an hour to get home. I sat in it for an hour, and I had to. I lived alone, which was great.
Jameela Jamil
So I do.
Margaret Cho
And then I was, like, up in my house, like, with a pants full of shit, trying to figure out, do I wash these clothes? Do I just got in the shower?
Jameela Jamil
You set your house on fire is what you did.
Margaret Cho
I had to relocate to a different city.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah. You blow up the car. That's what happened to that Tesla outside the truck building. Someone shit themselves.
Margaret Cho
I should do that now to test us. Now that would be great to go for a test drive in the cyber truck and just ruin the whole thing. Yeah. I had. It was a crisis of conscious having to deal with the aftermath of getting in the shower and washing every. I threw everything away. It took a couple of showers.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah.
Margaret Cho
I still feel like there should have been.
Jameela Jamil
It's Lady Macbeth. It's out damn spot out, isn't it? You know, it'll never go away.
Margaret Cho
It'll never go away no matter how much I wash. But that kind of cured me permanently from crazy diets.
Brandi Denise
Great.
Margaret Cho
Because it was like, what am I doing to my body?
Jameela Jamil
Right? Yeah.
Margaret Cho
Like, what am I? And to no real benefit, because I'm not even thinner. Like, I'm just suffering.
Jameela Jamil
Had you been thinner, would you be, like, hashtag worth it? Yeah, totally.
Margaret Cho
Because it would have, like, fed into this fantasy. Like, my life will be better if I'm thinner. Which is like, a weird fantasy.
Jameela Jamil
I've had Fucking nightmare.
Brandi Denise
Yeah.
Margaret Cho
But it's like this dumb dream that you think, oh, everything's gonna be better.
Jameela Jamil
No, it's much worse. I had nothing but constant disasters the whole time. I had anorexia and was doing all of these diets, like, passing out on the toilet, all kinds of things. Yeah. Very Elvis. Very Elvis of me. Just, like, the laxative abuse of it. All of it. It was just the worst. It was so humiliating. And then all of it was like. Part of me was thinking, you know, well, if you get thin, then you'll find love. And it's like I was too tired to fuck anyone. Did you fuck anyone during your fruit phase?
Margaret Cho
No. No.
Jameela Jamil
Exactly. Of course you didn't.
Margaret Cho
I can't.
Jameela Jamil
And thank God you would have shat all over them.
Margaret Cho
You would just shit all over everything. There's no way. And all the unpredictability of it. And then also, you can't go out to eat anywhere.
Jameela Jamil
No, no. Just the farmer's market.
Margaret Cho
Yeah.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah. You've actually traumatized me around Madonna's song Holiday.
Margaret Cho
Now I can never listen to.
Jameela Jamil
That's an incredible scene from a movie that is just. It's the happiest song on earth. Sorry that happened to you. And while we all recover, let's go to a quick break.
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Did I talk too much?
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Thank you so much.
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Brandi Denise
Okay, so I wanna preface this with saying I was 19.
Jameela Jamil
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Brandi Denise
Not able to emotionally regulate myself. So I had been dating this guy for about a year in college. He was like my college boyfriend. We were off in this season, and he had hit me up to get back on.
Jameela Jamil
Okay. So I mean, taking a break.
Brandi Denise
Taking a break. But we kind of did this dance.
Jameela Jamil
Okay.
Brandi Denise
So he. It's around that Time he's calling me.
Jameela Jamil
Would you argue and then break up? Or was it just sort of like we're going off to our hometowns for the summer?
Brandi Denise
No, it would be like an argument and then we would like reconnect or, you know, whatever. And we was just. It was kind of an on and off thing. So this was our off time. We were getting back on. We were talking on the phone and stuff. He calls me, he's like, hey, do you wanna go to the movies tomorrow? I'm like, yeah, let's go to the movies. So tomorrow comes and I don't get a call, I don't get a text, I don't get anything. And so I'm kind of trying to play it cool because we're like kind of getting back into it. And then he doesn't call or text. So I call. No answer. I call. No answer. I call. So my girlfriend at the time, there's like college apartments. She lives on the other side of his college apartment. Her name is Grace. She's like, oh, he. He like, do you want me to ride past and see if his car's home? And so I'm like, yeah, go ride past, see if his car.
Jameela Jamil
Are you worried about him or you just think something's up?
Brandi Denise
I don't know, but all I know is we had a movie date and what's going on?
Margaret Cho
Yeah.
Brandi Denise
So she rides back, she's like, oh, his car is there and looks like his like living room light is on. Interesting. She's like, you want to come over and just like hang out? I'm like, yeah. So I go to her house and hang out. We're at her house, we're like eating snacks and stuff. And I'm like, I called again. And I'm like, I can't believe he just like stood me up. Yeah, like, this is not our pattern. Like, what are you doing? We're supposed to get back together. And so she's like, well, you know, we should ride back pass or whatever. So before we get ready to ride back past, we decided to make this.
Jameela Jamil
Like a little game.
Brandi Denise
So we're like, okay, well we're gonna like ride back past maybe and walk past the apartment. So we like put like the little black things under our eyes. We got snacks, we have the pantyhose. Like we're full fledged. Like we're like straight out of high school. We're like, this is a mission. It's mission impossible, right? So it's like eight or nine o'. Clock.
Jameela Jamil
We get over there and teenage Girls are so crazy.
Brandi Denise
No, because at this point it's like we're making a movie. So we gotta get to the bottom of this. So we get over there, we actually see him leaving his house. Oh, he's leaving. I'm looking at my phone, he still ain't calling me. So we start to follow him. I had like the little, like the little handheld camera like this.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Brandi Denise
At this point, my other homegirl joins us. Now we're making a full on episode of Cheaters.
Jameela Jamil
Oh, yeah.
Brandi Denise
So like we follow him, he goes and picks up the girl. So like in the whole time, I'm still not processing this as like a grievance. I'm like, my girlfriend's in the back. She's like, Brandi. So now you see your boyfriend on a date. I'm like, I can't believe he's on a date. Like we were coarse zooming in on them. I'm in the back. Like, I can't believe cheating on me. You know, like we're role playing a.
Jameela Jamil
TV show right now.
Margaret Cho
Yeah, yeah.
Jameela Jamil
Also you're in like hunter mode right now. You know what I mean? You're, you're predator in this mode.
Brandi Denise
Hyped up on Mountain Dew and Cheetos.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Brandi Denise
We're like eating skittles and shit. Like we really don't.
Jameela Jamil
Just bouncing off the walls of the car.
Brandi Denise
And my friends are here for pure chaos and entertainment. So we see them at the gas station. Well, he goes inside, he gets some gas. We see the girl in the car. We see them go into. He took her to the movies. We followed them to the movies.
Jameela Jamil
To the movie he was gonna take you to.
Brandi Denise
To the movie he was gonna take you to.
Margaret Cho
That's so rude. What a terrible person.
Brandi Denise
He's, he's blocked on Facebook. Just good 15 years later, so still blocked.
Jameela Jamil
You're over it.
Brandi Denise
So we go. So we go. I see him in the movies. They go to the movies. Me and my girlfriend's gonna like Applebee's across the street or something. Kind of like waiting for them to leave or whatever. So we late for them to leave. We go back to. We go have dinner. We're like still recording at Applebee's, doing like interviews, breaks or whatever. We go back to her house. We see, we go back to her house and we just kind of like decompress and just laugh and joke about it. And she's like, we should go back over there. So I don't know why this made sense. She's like, we should go See what they're doing? Mind you, we're, like, barely into our sophomore year of college now. This is where it gets crazy and very embarrassing for me. I wanna say that I would never do this now.
Jameela Jamil
I also like that this is the part where it gets crazy. Yeah. It's just that you're. You've got pantyhose over your head.
Margaret Cho
Yeah.
Jameela Jamil
This, you're dressed like you're gonna. Girl.
Brandi Denise
That was. Those were games.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah, those were kitty games.
Brandi Denise
This is where we really escalate.
Ad Voice
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Jameela Jamil
This is gonna stop being normal.
Brandi Denise
Now. We're getting into the PhD of the craziness. She's like, let's go look in his window.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah.
Brandi Denise
Mind you, I'm five one, she's five feet. The other girl is, like, five two. We can't even reach his windows.
Jameela Jamil
No, this sounds like Alvin and the Chipmunks.
Brandi Denise
Yeah.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah.
Brandi Denise
We're literally the Chipmunks.
Jameela Jamil
See, I'm imagining you all standing on each other's shoulders.
Brandi Denise
We completely did a. Cheerleading. Singing in harmony. You have to lock your hands, my friend. You gotta lock your hands. I don't even know how he didn't hear us. We're outside the window.
Jameela Jamil
And now I'm imagining, like, one big raincoat covering all three of you just with your bedding.
Brandi Denise
We're stacked on top of each other, so they're, like, locking hands, mounting. And then it's like a 1, 2, 3, push up. Okay, Push me up. I look inside, like, his window blinds or whatever is cracked. And, like, looking into the window is just like his bed. So I don't see him, per se. I see his ankles, which means he was standing on his bed.
Jameela Jamil
Why is he standing on his bed?
Brandi Denise
That's a weird way to receive head, but that's what.
Jameela Jamil
How tall is she?
Brandi Denise
She was on her knees on the bed. You know what?
Jameela Jamil
She's protecting her knees. And I respect that woman for that. I've never even thought about that.
Brandi Denise
You know what?
Jameela Jamil
I might implement that into my regimen.
Brandi Denise
You're like, let me try something new. You stand on the bed.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah. Why am I on the wood?
Brandi Denise
Actually, she was thinking she was ahead of her time.
Ad Voice
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Margaret Cho
Smart.
Jameela Jamil
That's right. Sorry. Okay, but enough about her.
Brandi Denise
So I see this. I'm like, put me down. Put me down. I just see red. And I don't know what made me do this, but I just, like, didn't even knock. His back door was right there. I just walked in the door.
Jameela Jamil
You should have knocked on the window. He would have been scared.
Brandi Denise
The fucking shit I'm like, put me down. I like. I like, he must have heard something. Cause soon as I walk in the back door, he's coming out the room. He's like, brandi, what are you doing? And I'm like. I didn't know what to say. I was so embarrassed. And I didn't want to seem, like, desperate about the date. So he had one of my monitors for my laptop, and I was like, you need to give me my laptop monitor back. Like, that's all I could think to say. Like, that's. I. Could.
Jameela Jamil
I.
Brandi Denise
Because I couldn't bring the date up. Like, in my mind, it made sense.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah, no, no. I think that was really cool. Yeah. Yeah.
Brandi Denise
It was so crazy because I'm five one. The girl's like, clearly, like, five nine, and she is, like, in the room with a blanket around her, shaking, like, terrified of me, which I was like.
Jameela Jamil
How did he manage to break in the room at 5 foot 1?
Brandi Denise
I didn't break into the room. He came running out of the room. I was in the living room of the back door.
Jameela Jamil
Right, right, right.
Brandi Denise
So I just came in the living room, and he comes out and the door opens.
Jameela Jamil
How did you get into the living room? You just, like, banged your way.
Brandi Denise
That door was always open. Oh, it was in Florida. We didn't lock doors.
Jameela Jamil
Okay, five, five. Five, five, five.
Brandi Denise
Yeah. Like, we don't lock.
Jameela Jamil
No, no. Crime happens in Florida.
Brandi Denise
Yeah, it's all political. It's not like, at the house.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah, yeah. Okay. So, okay, so you get into the living room. He comes running out.
Brandi Denise
She's shaking, scared of me, and she's like, twice my size.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah.
Brandi Denise
And I'm.
Jameela Jamil
But you have pantyhose on your head.
Brandi Denise
No, I had taken those off, but I still had this. I still had on all black. And my homegirl's with me, and she's like, yeah, what the fuck you doing? And so it's like a whole little chipmunk mob come running in. Be like, what's going on? He's like, you know what's going on? And I'm just like, I need my computer back.
Jameela Jamil
So what the fuck? Did he give us his reason? Because he knows he's killed.
Brandi Denise
He literally was like, you can't be doing this. He's like, but I'll explain. I'll explain later.
Jameela Jamil
Like, and what was his explanation?
Brandi Denise
Like, he basically said that he planned on taking me to the movies, but she had hit him up earlier.
Jameela Jamil
But he asked you first.
Brandi Denise
He's a liar. You can't make sense of it. He just. He took her because he wanted to take her.
Margaret Cho
Yeah.
Jameela Jamil
Oh, I'm sorry.
Brandi Denise
And so if anybody's watching this, this is why I'm still traumatized.
Jameela Jamil
Oh, yeah. It's really traumatic.
Margaret Cho
I'm sorry that happened.
Jameela Jamil
I'm sorry that happened.
Brandi Denise
I think it's fine.
Jameela Jamil
I think it's hilarious. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I find every decision you make makes me find you to be a very exciting person.
Brandi Denise
Oh, yeah.
Jameela Jamil
I'm here for the part. I'm so down for your dramatic approach. Like, this is. Do you have the footage still of that?
Brandi Denise
No, and I wish I did, but, you know, it was on one of those, like. It was, like, actually one of the little, small.
Jameela Jamil
Oh, my God. I would give anything to watch that film. I would give anything. If anyone can track it down, please let me know, because we will put it out. But that would be amazing.
Brandi Denise
That would be amazing. And camera phones weren't great back then.
Jameela Jamil
What did you. What did you learn from that time of, like, you know, did it make you more discerning when it came to dating? Did it make you paranoid? And has it made you pull back if you suspect someone's cheating? Does that brandy still exist within you?
Brandi Denise
No. I went to. I've been in therapy, so that's gone. But at that particular time, it turned me into a savage.
Jameela Jamil
What happened?
Brandi Denise
I just had all the boyfriends. Good for you. And I was the player at that point. I was like, what are we doing?
Jameela Jamil
They were lined up outside your bedroom window.
Brandi Denise
None of this is real. We're 19.
Jameela Jamil
Be real.
Margaret Cho
So we'll put you in control, which is better.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah. Yeah. I've probably been cheated on, but I don't know because I don't text anyone or call them, you know, ever. So I would never. I've said all the time that my boyfriend could have, like, a full other family, and I would have no idea because I don't track his movements. I'm never like, where are you? Where have you been? Like, there's, like, he can go a whole week and I have no idea what he's done. Cause I just have object permanence. I just, like. I'm. Whatever's right in front of me is what I focus on. But. But I.
Brandi Denise
You're not an overthinker.
Jameela Jamil
No, no, I'm an underthinker. It's completely empty in here.
Brandi Denise
That's a beautiful place to be.
Jameela Jamil
Nothing's going on. Yeah, no.
Brandi Denise
It's so much money on therapy.
Jameela Jamil
Have you ever listened to a shell on the beach? That's sort of what my brain sounds like. So it never occurs. It never occurs to me. So I've probably been cheated on by everyone for all I know, but as of yet, I just live blissfully unaware. I don't know what I would do in that moment, but I don't think I'd be as cool as you.
Brandi Denise
You know what?
Jameela Jamil
I think it was both highly uncool and cool at the same time. Yeah.
Brandi Denise
I mean, and honestly, like I said, most of the time we were laughing and stuff like that. And I think me and him probably dated a little bit more after that because I do remember.
Jameela Jamil
Wait, what do you mean?
Brandi Denise
I mean. Cause he was like my on and off boyfriend for most of the time. You were like.
Jameela Jamil
I was traumatized afterwards and I became a savage. But yeah, we started dating and he just.
Brandi Denise
He got thrown into the mix with the other guy. So I was like, okay, this isn't serious. But I do think like now I. Because my life is so full and I have so many things going on. Yeah. I probably wouldn't know what was happening. Like, I leave town for like three days. I don't know what you did. I was on the road, you know, but when I was 19, I didn't have anything to do with class.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah.
Brandi Denise
School wasn't important.
Jameela Jamil
Oh, 100%. That story's fucking crazy.
Brandi Denise
It is.
Jameela Jamil
It's so crazy.
Brandi Denise
It's my favorite. It's one of my favorite. And actually in our adulthood, me and him have still been in contact a little bit. And so he's just. We laugh about it now.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah.
Brandi Denise
And he remembers details. I don't. I'm like, oh, damn, you're right.
Jameela Jamil
Did you get your monitor back?
Brandi Denise
Yeah, I did. I did. Yeah.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah. Good. So self righteous.
Brandi Denise
Yeah.
Jameela Jamil
Just walking out of there with your pantyhose.
Brandi Denise
Yeah. My Cheetos.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah. You don't deserve me just covered in Cheeto dust.
Brandi Denise
What are you doing?
Jameela Jamil
Amazing. Okay, so before you go, and thank you both so much for your wonderful stories, both foul and humiliating and perfect in all of their ways. I have a story from a listener who says that one time I was standing in a train station with lots of echoing. And while I was talking to my friends, my vagina very loudly queefed a few times at the rhythm I was talking.
Brandi Denise
Oh, my God.
Jameela Jamil
Oh, God. You know, like sometimes when you laugh and the fart goes like.
Brandi Denise
Yeah.
Jameela Jamil
It's like your asshole's joining the laugh. At the rhythm I was talking. It was very loud and obvious, but everyone just acted like it didn't happen. I didn't know where the queefing comes from, but it happens a lot. Please. Oh, no. Yeah. Please keep this anonymous. I did, and I. I asked her if I could call her Queef Latifah. And she said yes. That's a great name. Oh, that's so humiliating. My. I had a boyfriend who is a singer. Fuck it. It's James. My boyfriend once was. We were, like, early on a date, and he farted in the shower. But it was one of those, like, really fancy marble bathrooms, those huge ones, and like a really, like, elegant, big, echoey hotel room. You know, it's early dating. Trying to impress each other. And I hear the shower, and then I hear. But it's kind of like. It sounds almost like a note. And then I hear him immediately match the note and try and turn it into a song to try and cover for what's happened. So it's so. It's kind of like. And he's not trying to be funny. He's trying to genuinely make me believe that that first note came out of his mouth. Right. And sings such a long, beautiful song that he's improvising in the moment. And it's so angelic. And the echo and the reverb we're getting. And I know what's happened because it was so obviously from his asshole, you know, almost like that. What's that grass that you can use as, like, a tune to find the note. So he comes out, and I'm just looking. I'm just looking down at the bed. I don't know what to do. I don't have to. Like, I've got no poker face whatsoever. So I'm like. I just can't make eye contact with him. And he comes out and he's super defensive immediately. She's like, what? What? Why are you being weird? And I was like, I'm not being weird. He was like, why are you being weird? And then fucking lost it. But it reminded me a little bit of that. And that can happen. And it was a very bonding moment. But we've never farted in front of each other ever. Oh, really? Yeah.
Margaret Cho
Wow.
Jameela Jamil
Eleven years.
Margaret Cho
That's incredible.
Brandi Denise
Yeah, I don't believe in that either.
Jameela Jamil
Well, farting in front of him, the mystery is gone.
Margaret Cho
When you.
Brandi Denise
I just can't.
Margaret Cho
Yeah.
Brandi Denise
Yeah, you can't.
Jameela Jamil
No, it's fine. Some people think it's the height of intimacy. I just think there's certain information. That was one pass. We tried it out. It made it too funny and unsexy. And now we've just left it in that hotel room that day. He's gonna fucking murder me. My wrong turn is telling that story on this episode.
Brandi Denise
I love that he turned it into a song.
Jameela Jamil
It was such a song. So creative. Yeah. That's how James starts all of his songs.
Brandi Denise
Listen to Booth.
Jameela Jamil
Hold on.
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Jameela Jamil
We all have a process, okay? He's a genius. Before you both go, can you please tell me where everyone can find you and anything you want them to listen to or watch?
Margaret Cho
People can find me@margaretcho.com and my new album, Lucky Gift is out streaming everywhere. It's in my first music album in nine years. So very excited.
Jameela Jamil
Congratulations.
Margaret Cho
I didn't start it with a fart, though.
Jameela Jamil
Well, that was your first mistake. That's what happened. Still a success. Success in spite of that. Yeah.
Margaret Cho
Thank you.
Brandi Denise
And Brandy, I'm Brandi Denise. Brandy. Denise Boyd on social media. And you can see my new special out right now on Hulu LOL with Brandy Denise.
Jameela Jamil
Yay. Congratulations. I can't wait to hear that. You've both got so much going on this year. Thank you so much for making time to come and say hi on Wrong Turns and to share your greetings.
Brandi Denise
Thank you. This was fun.
Jameela Jamil
This is so fun. Wrong Turns was created and produced by me, Jameela Jamil and Stuart Bailey. And thank you to consulting producer Colin Anderson. You can email us a voice memo of your own wrong turns. All you have to do is email personal disaster storiesmail.com youm can find full length videos of our episodes on YouTube. And don't forget to subscribe, like review wherever you can get your podcasts and tell your friends about us. And if you are also enjoying me as a person, I have a substack. It's called a low desire to please. That's enough of me. I'm gonna off now. Bye.
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Episode: Margaret Cho and Brandi Denise
Date: October 23, 2025
This episode of Wrong Turns is a riotous celebration of life’s most embarrassing and disastrous moments, where host Jameela Jamil invites the legendary comedian Margaret Cho and the fearless Brandi Denise to revel—without shame—in their personal catastrophes. No silver linings, no inspirational conclusions; just pure commiseration, laughter, and some truly mortifying stories. From highway mishaps to teenage detective missions and viral bodily functions, the conversation is candid, hilarious, and deeply relatable—proving no one’s dignity is safe, not even the hosts.
[02:27 – 03:32]
[03:34 – 07:29]
[07:56 – 10:40]
[13:05 – 21:46]
Margaret recounts her “wrong turn” with punishing diets, escalating to only eating fruit—alphabetically.
[23:47 – 35:56]
Brandi tells her teenage detective saga: after a college boyfriend stands her up for a movie date, she and friends launch a stakeout.
[36:07 – 39:22]
“You deep throated a burrito at 8 o’ clock in the morning?”
— Jameela Jamil [04:55]
“I allow situations to continue out because I’m there for the story, baby.”
— Brandi Denise [03:06]
“I was making a shit strainer. Like a ricotta. Separating the liquid whey from the milk solids.”
— Margaret Cho [18:33]
“At that particular time, it turned me into a savage…I just had all the boyfriends. I was the player at that point.”
— Brandi Denise [33:36]
“My vagina very loudly queefed a few times at the rhythm I was talking.”
— Listener Story [36:31]
“He sings such a long, beautiful song that he’s improvising in the moment…and I know what’s happened because it was so obviously from his asshole.”
— Jameela Jamil [37:50]
Jameela, Margaret, and Brandi maintain infectious, irreverent humor throughout, welcoming embarrassment as a shared human experience, not something to be ashamed of. The show’s vibe is lighthearted and boisterous—the guests riff off each other’s anecdotes, escalations, and colorful metaphors with genuine camaraderie and zero judgment.
Wrong Turns continues its run as the ultimate anti-inspiration comedy confessional. This episode is unmissable for those looking to commiserate, laugh, and feel gloriously less alone in their disasters—no lessons learned, just life as it is, dignity optional.