Penn Badgley, Nava Kavelin and Sophie Ansari

Summary

Podcast Summary: Wrong Turns with Jameela Jamil Episode: Penn Badgley, Nava Kavelin, and Sophie Ansari Date: November 13, 2025

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Overview

In this laugh-out-loud, no-morals episode of Wrong Turns, Jameela Jamil invites the trio behind the Podcrushed podcast—Penn Badgley, Nava Kavelin, and Sophie Ansari—to unleash their most mortifying, embarrassing, or simply disastrous personal stories. The theme: reveling in misfortune, not extracting morals. Each guest candidly shares stories about awkward bodily functions, cringe-inducing social blunders, and near-misses that still haunt them, all with a sharp dose of humor and self-awareness.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Introductions & Setting the Tone (02:32–06:00)

• Jameela sets the ethos: “This is the podcast where dignity goes firmly to die. There is no silver lining, there’s no great lesson learned, no wisdom gained.” (02:32, Jameela)
• Playful ribbing regarding their creative accolades and supposed achievements, with Penn incredulously questioning his status as “award winning.” (03:08–03:23)
• The concept of “micro humiliations”—small, everyday embarrassments that add up over time.

2. General Attitudes Toward Embarrassment (04:45–06:30)

• Penn: Finds it difficult to share truly mortifying stories, admitting, “the things that for me are mortifying ... you’ll never hear me talk about those things anywhere.” (04:45)
• Sophie: Regularly puts her foot in her mouth, especially by strongly voicing opinions before realizing who she’s talking to. “I hate Chihuahuas ... and then someone’s like, 'I have a Chihuahua.'” (05:31)
• Nava: Routinely embarrassed but now more adept at letting things go. “I think I’ve just gotten more adept at like, oh well, this is just what happens in my life.” (05:52)

3. Micro-Humiliation Stories

A. Sophie’s “Fart Cannon” Date (07:05–11:13)

• Sophie describes a date in New York, feeling sophisticated but secretly mortified as a contained fart escapes up her coat just as her older, “chic” boyfriend puts his arm around her:
  • “The fart that was previously contained within this long, puffy coat just shot up through the neck hole ... it was bad.” (10:28–10:45)
• Family legend: Sophie is infamous at home for “the worst farts, poops ... it's just like, I don't know what it is.” (08:55–09:13)
• Generalized mortification over bodily functions and their social reception—especially among women:
  • Pen: “But, see, this is where we have to say properly what something like the patriarchy ... Women can have gas.” (10:11)

B. Jameela’s “Fart Coffin” on The Good Place (11:39–13:55)

• Jameela shares a similar moment while filming, accidentally creating a “fart coffin” on set that possibly ruined an emotional scene for her co-stars. “I was giving dirty looks to other members of the cast to try and gaslight—literal gaslighting—of everyone in there.” (13:39)

C. Pen’s Met Gala Gaffe with Charlotte Gainsbourg (14:06–18:58)

• Seated beside icon Charlotte Gainsbourg, Penn inadvertently insults her film Science of Sleep: “I've been watching The Science of Sleep ... I've fallen asleep every time, and it’s so beautiful.” (17:02)
• Realizing too late what he’s said, he notes: “She definitely doesn’t want to talk to me ... I wouldn’t want to talk to me either.” (16:10–17:30)
• “I literally think she may have, to this day ... not said a word to me.” (18:31, Pen)

D. Nava’s Accidental Ambien Text to Ariana Grande’s Manager (19:07–22:11)

• After mistakenly taking Ambien midday, Nava falls asleep for 17 hours. She wakes to find she has “drunk-texted” Ariana Grande’s manager, asking Ariana to guest-host their podcast while Pen is on leave—an arrangement never previously discussed and a clear overstep.
  • Nava: “When I’m drunk I just do more work. But like, in a damaging way.” (21:14)
  • “The saddest part of the story is that Ariana’s manager told me we were her favorite podcast ... but now they're like, you’re too comfortable with Ariana, so she will not be coming back.” (21:23)

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4. The Main “Wrong Turns” — Full-On Disasters

A. Nava’s Golden Shower Airplane Horror

• Most Embarrassing Moment (26:02–32:18)
  • Setting: Post-breakup, flying to North Carolina, hoping for a rom-com life twist.
  • Flirts with “the hottest guy,” only for disaster to strike during turbulence in the airplane bathroom:
    • "My leg kicks the door, and the door gets jammed ... and I know that what he can see is urine coming out of my vagina facing him." (29:34)
    • “We both make eye contact. And then he immediately closes his eyes and puts his head down.” (29:41)
  • The stranger pretends to sleep for the rest of the flight, never speaks again, and Nava is left reeling:
    • “If this were medieval times and I were a sovereign, I would have him killed. Like you would have someone who witnessed you in such a vulnerable position killed." (31:16, Nava)
  • Jameela and the guests agree—this is true shame in 3D.

B. Pen’s Bike-Intersection Near-Miss (32:43–42:51)

• Young, reckless Penn races his bike across a massive New York intersection, nearly colliding with a pedestrian:
  • “I almost killed somebody, ... or I almost seriously hurt them.” (35:04)
  • Describes his daredevil attire and faulty logic: “I would leave the house with a single credit card and key tucked into my waistband ... I just wanted to be in as few, you know ...” (33:59)
  • In a moment of self-mockery, Sophie ribs him: “I think what’s more embarrassing about this story is you chat GPTing how fast you were going. I really want to see your chat GPT history so bad.” (41:56)
  • The group jokes about making up a more climactic ending via AI tech.

C. Sophie’s Foot-in-Mouth at Mom Group (44:28–46:31)

• In a discussion about her daughter’s hair, Sophie jokes about picturing her bald at her wedding—then realizes a fellow mom has alopecia:
  • “As it’s coming out of my mouth, I’m like, I want to shrivel into my clothing.” (45:46)
  • Navigates the social dilemma: “Do I apologize? Ultimately, no ... If I say, ‘I’m so sorry,’ then I put her in [the] position where she has to say, ‘It’s okay, don’t worry about it, you freak.’” (45:51)

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Bonus Embarrassments & Lightning Rounds

• Nava’s “Brain Damage Cop” Story (49:26–54:00)

  • Details her ineptitude with driving and a traffic stop that became so absurd ("do you want me to blow on something?") that the officer suspected a brain injury:
    • “Have you had a brain injury? ... You understand why I asked, right?” (53:14)
  • Gets out of a ticket through pure confusion rather than persuasion.

• Jameela on Sober Social Fails

  • Shares that her most humiliating moments are 100% her own, stone-cold sober. “The worst thing about me is that everything I’ve ever done wrong, every awful story I’ve told in this podcast, everything was 100% my fault. All me, dead sober.” (54:08)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “This is the podcast where dignity goes firmly to die.” — Jameela (02:32)
• “I put that in one bio and now everybody introduces me as that and I’m like, oh, shoot. It sounds a little pathetic.” — Sophie on “community organizer” label (03:54)
• “You have to realize Sophie’s still new to the world of celebrity ... you want to tell a good embarrassing story, but you’re also actually like, oh, I don't know.” — Pen on Sophie’s hesitation (09:30)
• “Fart on the patriarchy.” — Jameela (10:17)
• “She was wearing it like a Sophie fart.” — Pen describing Charlotte Gainsbourg’s vibe at the Met Gala (16:10)
• “If this were medieval times and I were a sovereign, I would have him killed.” — Nava (31:16)
• “You farted. I knew you killed somebody. That surely is something.” — Pen to Sophie (40:51)
• “The point of the story was to show I’m not just a pretty face. I’m also a cyclist.” — Pen, mocking macho subtext (41:31)
• “Do you want me to blow on something?” — Nava, mortifying herself during a sobriety test (52:19)

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Book Promo & Closing (55:06–56:28)

• Sophie and Nava attempt to promote their book, Crush: Essays on love, loss and coming of age, teasing that it includes even more embarrassing and heartwarming stories. Penn jokes about being “done talking about our book.”
• Jameela: “Everyone go listen to the podcast. Go read the book. Find these people online. You’re a joy. And thank you for coming and sharing today. Love you.” (56:12)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Time | |:----------------------------------------|----------:| | Podcast opens, intros | 02:32 | | Guests’ attitudes to disaster | 04:45 | | Sophie's fart date story | 07:05 | | Jameela’s “fart coffin” | 11:39 | | Pen’s Met Gala mishap | 14:06 | | Nava’s Ambien text | 19:07 | | Nava’s airplane disaster | 26:02 | | Pen’s near-miss bike story | 32:43 | | Sophie’s “wedding day bald” gaffe | 44:28 | | Nava’s “brain damage” traffic stop | 49:26 | | Closing banter/book promo | 55:06 |

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Tone & Takeaway:

All stories are shared with self-deprecation, playful teasing, and a total lack of pretense. The group’s chemistry—especially their willingness to tear down each other’s claims to “embarrassment”—creates an atmosphere where shame becomes communal and, ultimately, hilarious.

For listeners: This episode is for anyone yearning to feel better about their latest cringe moment. The message, in Jameela’s words: “There’s no wisdom here. Only the freedom of knowing no one is alone in their humiliation.”

Transcript

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[Sophie Ansari]

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[Jameela Jamil]

Hello and welcome to Wrong Turns. This is the podcast where dignity goes firmly to die. Where we tell our saddest or funniest and most ridiculous stories. Where there is no silver lining, there's no great lesson learned, no wisdom gained. And I always invite my favourite funny people on to tell me their tales of woe. And this week, I have quite the trio. All guests today are co hosts of the podcast podcrushed. And they are the authors of the brand new book Crush Essays on love, loss and coming of age. Joining me we have an award winning actor, musician and produce known for Gossip Girl. Easy A. And you. It's Pen fucking Badgley. Hello.

[Pen Badgley]

I want to know what awards. Wait, what?

[Sophie Ansari]

That's what I was going to ask ChatGPT.

[Pen Badgley]

All right, so that's.

[Jameela Jamil]

Surely it's something to do with being very sexy.

[Pen Badgley]

It's probably like a teen choice award or something.

[Jameela Jamil]

Yeah, exactly.

[Pen Badgley]

Best sound for Gossip Girl Season 3. Teen Choice Award. We all got one.

[Jameela Jamil]

There should be a great moustache award, surely. This is very good. What you're rocking right now.

[Pen Badgley]

Is this a visual podcast? Are people going to see this?

[Jameela Jamil]

A little bit.

[Pen Badgley]

All right, great. Well, a little bit. I keep not shaving it off. And there it is.

[Jameela Jamil]

We're also thrilled to welcome an illustrator, video creator and community organizer. It's Sophie Ansari.

[Nava Kavilan]

Yay.

[Jameela Jamil]

I love that none of you can join in.

[Pen Badgley]

Community organizer.

[Jameela Jamil]

I know.

[Sophie Ansari]

I put that in one bio and now everybody introduces me as that and I'm like, oh, shoot. It sounds a little pathetic.

[Jameela Jamil]

I think I should take you through one party.

[Pen Badgley]

The Nobel prize winning activist.

[Jameela Jamil]

And we have writer, producer, director, and an award winning documentary filmmaker. She was previously a researcher and writer for the United Nations. It's Nava fucking Kavilan. Hello.

[Sophie Ansari]

Yay.

[Jameela Jamil]

Did you do anything?

[Nava Kavilan]

And my documentary actually did. Yes, all of that. My documentary did win awards.

[Pen Badgley]

That's true. No, I did know that. I did know that. Yeah, you said that. You win. And I'm like, okay, I have to shut up.

[Jameela Jamil]

Everyone's bum holes just went clapped together.

[Pen Badgley]

That is too dignified. We need to make a wrong turn.

[Nava Kavilan]

Don't worry, my story is gonna. Any dignity that we've started with, it'll evaporate by the end of this episode.

[Jameela Jamil]

I can't wait. Do you guys tend to take disaster in your stride or does it cripple you for months and months and months?

[Pen Badgley]

I'm not sure, but I think I might take it in stride because I really struggled to think of a story here, to be honest. I really wasn't like, oh, I've got this. Oh, I've got that. Oh, this is mortifying. Oh, I'm hang it. Cause the things that for me are mortifying. I'm like, I'm telling that one. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not like, like a true mortification. Like I'm saying the things that I lay awake at night thinking about like. You'll never hear me talk about those things anywhere. It's not just here.

[Jameela Jamil]

Thanks for coming on, Pen. That's great. I'll see you.

[Nava Kavilan]

So excited.

[Jameela Jamil]

I have some great stories that you will never hear. What about you, Sophie?

[Sophie Ansari]

Yeah, I mean, I'm constantly putting my foot in my mouth. There's this thing I do where I like get on a soapbox. I don't know what happens to me, but I like decide to really take a stand on something in.

[Pen Badgley]

Because you're a community organizer. Yeah, that's why.

[Sophie Ansari]

I hate Chihuahuas. Chihuahuas are the worst dog. And I will go in and I won't stop. And then finally someone will be like, I have a Chihuahua. And I'm like, I'm so sorry. So that kind of thing is happening to me constantly.

[Jameela Jamil]

I often will shit on someone's film without knowing it's their film. So don't worry. That's very, very bad. Very, very bad. Navajo.

[Nava Kavilan]

I do a lot of embarrassing things or I'm in a lot of embarrassing situations. So I think I've just gotten more adept at like, oh well, this is just what happens in my life. So it doesn't haunt me, but it used to haunt me. I think it's in the last five years that I've more like take things in stride.

[Pen Badgley]

Nava has like a Larry David level kind of. In fact, when. When we were talking Jamila about me being on, I didn't realize it was a multi guest thing. And I was thinking like, I don't know, but like it'd be great if Nava could come on because she has, she has so many. I mean I literally just even thinking like, could I just get her to tell me one and then I could just tell because I'm not sure, you know, so that. So yeah. I hope you've pulled out a good one.

[Nava Kavilan]

I think so.

[Jameela Jamil]

If there are any of Nava's that you remember that she doesn't bring up, feel free to share. Pen. This is a community that we have organized together. One of shame. Yeah. Sophie, why don't you start us off? Given that you claim to have so many humiliations and to be, you know.

[Pen Badgley]

Prize winning.

[Jameela Jamil]

I want a micro humiliation.

[Pen Badgley]

Single handedly saving the world.

[Jameela Jamil]

Well, come on, Greta, give us a. Give us a story.

[Nava Kavilan]

Oh my gosh, I wish.

[Sophie Ansari]

No. So when I was 21, I dated this guy who was 28, quite a bit older than me, and I was head over heels for him. And I was desperate to make myself seem older, more mature, more sophisticated. Than I was at 21. And it came up in so many different ways. Like, I remember. This is so stupid, but I remember we played salad bowl one day, which was like the. That charades game, and he wrote Havarti cheese as one of his. And I was like, I don't even know what Havarti cheese is. It was like, I didn't know enough of anything. I didn't know enough comedians.

[Jameela Jamil]

I still don't know what that is, so don't worry.

[Sophie Ansari]

Oh, yeah, yeah, I'll send you some. It's just a regular cheese. But, yeah, it was coming up all the time, and that was, like, the theme of my feelings in the relationship. And he was visiting me one winter in New York, and we were walking through the West Village, which was perfect for my. What I wanted to portray. You know, it felt very chic, very sophisticated, and it was like a scene from a rom com. He put his arm around me, and I was like, this is exactly how it was written. This is in the script. It's perfect. The brownstones. But what I need you all to know is that I had just farted, and I thought for sure I was wearing a coat that went down to my knees. So I thought for sure, like, this is like Fort Knox. I'm good. Like, this fart is either it's not getting out.

[Jameela Jamil]

Wait, was it audible?

[Sophie Ansari]

No, not audible.

[Jameela Jamil]

Silent, but deadly. Sophie. Far more dangerous.

[Sophie Ansari]

But we're walking. We're outside. I figure, you know, either it's staying in the coat for some time, or I've left in the dust. Like, we're gone. It's back there.

[Nava Kavilan]

But what.

[Sophie Ansari]

I don't know what it was about the aerodynamics of when he popped his arm over my shoulder. Also, what I need you to know is that my family. I'm, like, notorious for. For having the worst farts, poops. It's just like. I don't know what it is.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

I'm.

[Sophie Ansari]

I'm sorry.

[Jameela Jamil]

How did that sort of thing become family legend?

[Sophie Ansari]

Oh, I don't. It was just, you know, the smells.

[Pen Badgley]

You're the baby, right? You're the baby. So they've always known.

[Sophie Ansari]

Exactly.

[Nava Kavilan]

Right?

[Sophie Ansari]

Yeah. It's bad. And so I've always had an insecurity.

[Pen Badgley]

About so much so that I can even see. She's like. She's choosing. She's like, how am I gonna say this right now? Because this is gonna be seen by a lot of people. You have to realize Sophie's. Sophie's still new to the world of celebrity, of being a celebrity. And so I can even see. See her being like, you're. You're like, you want to tell a good embarrassing story, but you're also actually like, oh, I don't know.

[Sophie Ansari]

Yeah, I'm not sure how.

[Pen Badgley]

I don't know how far I can go because I'm now telling everybody that I have gas. You realize that's.

[Advertiser/Announcer]

That's what you.

[Jameela Jamil]

Sophie, I promise I'm gonna share one right after you. Not a fast story. So I'm gonna jump in with you. Don't be shy.

[Sophie Ansari]

It's just so unbecoming of a young lady, you know?

[Pen Badgley]

Oh, no. But see, this is where we have to say properly what something like the patriarchy and women can have gas.

[Jameela Jamil]

Fart on the patriarchy. I don't love it.

[Pen Badgley]

I don't love it. But, you know, you want to have.

[Nava Kavilan]

It, you can have it. 10 or 8 has shirts that say women fart too.

[Sophie Ansari]

I'm going to make one for him. Anyway, I don't know what it was about what happened when he. He put his arm on my shoulder, but the fart that was previously contained within this long, puffy coat just shot straight up through the neck hole.

[Nava Kavilan]

It's a fart cannon through the neck.

[Sophie Ansari]

Hole of my coat and into my face. And it was bad. It was so bad.

[Nava Kavilan]

I just prayed.

[Sophie Ansari]

He was quite a bit taller than me, and I just prayed. Hopefully it has dissipated by the time.

[Nava Kavilan]

It could have gotten to his nose.

[Sophie Ansari]

But I never asked. I never said anything. We just kept walking through the city, and I just live with the hope that he never said and.

[Pen Badgley]

But you never got married, right?

[Sophie Ansari]

No, we never got married.

[Nava Kavilan]

That's what did it. That's probably why he actually broke up with her like two days later.

[Jameela Jamil]

But nothing to do with that. Surely. The good thing is that you're walking through New York, which does notoriously smell like shit quite a lot of the time. So true. I love that.

[Pen Badgley]

But not this particularly iconic corner of the West Village where she was living out her rom com.

[Jameela Jamil]

Walking right past Magnolia Bakery, and suddenly the fellow feces hits him.

[Sophie Ansari]

Something's wrong with the banana pudding to.

[Jameela Jamil]

It's very mortifying. I remember shooting like one of the biggest scenes on the show, the Good Place where we have to kind of jump through this portal. And I hadn't been there for the practice run, so I thought you could just jump through and then it goes all the way through out to the rest of the set. I didn't know it was a closed little box that I was jumping into. And because I was nervous about having to run because I'm not a good moving person. I'm sort of made for the sheets, not the streets. I jump in and I do a little nervous fart midair. That follows me into what is now, I realize, a closed portal, like a fart coffin. And everyone jumping in after me. No. So I'm in there first, and the smell consumes the fart coffin. I mean, I presume so, because then William jumps in right after me, who plays chiddy, and then someone else jumps in, and then the last two to jump in are Ted Danson and Kristen Bell. And Kristen and Ted are having this massive moment where Ted Danson's sacrificing himself for her. And so I can see both of their eyes welling up. And I'm unsure if that's because of emotion or because of what I have, because of the fecal matter in the sky that I have created. No one said anything, but I was the first one in. I was giving dirty looks to other members of the cast to try and gaslight literal gaslighting of everyone in there. But I'm pretty sure they know that it was me. So I feel you, Sophie. It's a difficult thing to tolerate, but it is rough.

[Sophie Ansari]

I mean, there's been plenty of times where I've gone in the bathroom knowing someone I know is coming in after me, like a public bathroom, and have, like, practiced saying, like, I don't know.

[Pen Badgley]

About what's there for the prison before.

[Sophie Ansari]

Me was just really, I don't know what happened.

[Jameela Jamil]

You're like, jim Carrey always makes it worse. Always makes it worse. I stepped outside of a toilet on a train. And I mean, those toilets are horrific because obviously, like, people can't aim at the best of times. And Hugh Grant was coming in after me, and I've wanted to in my entire life. And that's how I met Hugh Grant was coming out of a train toilet, where I'm carrying the responsibility of the day's smells. One of the worst moments in my life. And there's nothing you could say because everything you say makes it worse. So I just told him, I love him.

[Sophie Ansari]

Smile.

[Jameela Jamil]

Which made it weirder. And then I left. That's so funny. Very intense. Pen, can you give me a micro humiliation of your own?

[Pen Badgley]

Yeah. So I was at. I think I've been to the Met Gala or the Met Ball twice. I think the first time I went, I was seated at, like, what felt like the kids table. Like, the. I think it was like the Teen Vogue table. It Was me, probably a few other Gossip Girl cast members. And for some reason, Charlotte Gainsbourg was sat next to me. And I don't know what she was doing at this table because, again, it felt like the kids table. And Charlotte Gainsbourg at this point is, you know, even more obscure, but in the most special way. And I, as a teenager, went through a real Serge Gainsbourg phase. We'll leave commentary about Serge Gainsborough out for now, but. But we're just focusing on Charlotte and. Because. Because, actually, I don't want to sound.

[Jameela Jamil]

Like somebody who loves Sergeant, but she is the coolest woman in the industry.

[Pen Badgley]

I mean, epitome of cool. She's. She's. She's French.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

She.

[Pen Badgley]

She's Serge Gainsbourg's daughter. She's been in, like, every Lars von Trier film, like. And we'll leave commentary about Lars von Trier outside of this podcast for now. But, but, but I. But. But at this point, she represent. And she had, I think, her most. You know, she'd done the Science of Sleep last. Maybe Michel Gondry, when he's at his peak of being Michel Gondry. I'm not sure why I'm putting emphasis on that part of his last name. I think it's probably Gondry, but I don't know.

[Jameela Jamil]

We can now see this Serge Gainsbourg phase you went through. Yeah, yeah.

[Pen Badgley]

It's hard not to comment on Serge Gainsbourg now as a woke white man, but I will not.

[Jameela Jamil]

Oh, no, no. Today we separate the art from the artist.

[Pen Badgley]

We do.

[Jameela Jamil]

Yeah.

[Pen Badgley]

And from his daughter.

[Jameela Jamil]

We have to, because they're all paedophiles. Okay, sorry.

[Nava Kavilan]

Go on. Yeah, exactly.

[Pen Badgley]

She went into the commentary.

[Jameela Jamil]

She did it.

[Advertiser/Announcer]

She did it.

[Jameela Jamil]

Pen, you're like one of the last people that people can actually say they like in the white male space. I could safely go, I like him, and then it's fine. I don't have to say sorry afterwards.

[Pen Badgley]

So we're sat next to each other, and she, to her credit, she wasn't trying to perform it, but she just was cooler than everybody at our table. And she and I seem to be the only two people who were confused as to why she was there. And the way she did that was just. She was quiet and wasn't interested in conversation. And that was very clear. She was wearing it like a Sophie fart. It was like, very. It was in. In the atmosphere. I was like, she definitely doesn't want to talk to me. And I wouldn't. If I was her, I wouldn't want to talk to me either. So I. Some point in the meal, I. I turn to her, I kind of, like, lean over, and she's definitely not facing me. She's sort of got her shoulder up and her elbow on the table, and she's, like, looking away, and. And I say something like, I've been watching the Science of Sleep, and the reason I say it that way is because I had recently, three times tried to finish the Science of Sleep, her film. Her very, you know, very cool, very famous indie film. And I'd fallen asleep every time. And so she was confused as to why I'm saying it like this. And I say, actually, I've fallen asleep every time, and it's. It's been so beautiful. And I. I don't remember at all what, like, really what I said or how she.

[Nava Kavilan]

Oh, my God.

[Pen Badgley]

Like, I realize as I'm saying it, I'm. I'm saying to. To this person who doesn't want to speak to me. At least, I'm assuming. I don't know.

[Sophie Ansari]

I mean, you're spitting in her face.

[Pen Badgley]

Yeah. I'm literally saying, like, I've fallen asleep multiple times to your film, and I wanted to clarify it, too. I made sure I clarified, like, I don't mean that I fell asleep three times while watching it once. Like, I have tried to finish your movie.

[Nava Kavilan]

And I can't dig.

[Pen Badgley]

Finish it.

[Nava Kavilan]

It's so boring. You needed to know that.

[Pen Badgley]

Yeah, no, but the truth is, I meant it as a compliment because I. My experience of it, which I still am unable to articulate, was an amazing one. It was like I was in this, you know, hypnagogic state, and the movie is about that. It's about falling asleep or not being able to fall asleep. And how much more meta could it get for the viewer to be lulled into sleep? Anyway, so it's like that.

[Sophie Ansari]

Stop listening.

[Pen Badgley]

It's like that.

[Nava Kavilan]

Did she say anything?

[Pen Badgley]

I literally. I do not believe she said a word.

[Nava Kavilan]

Did you fall asleep while she was.

[Pen Badgley]

I mean, I'm not kidding. I literally think she may have to this day, in all of the words that I've said to her, I think she may have not said a one to me. She may have smiled and just, you know, like, tried to be gracious.

[Jameela Jamil]

Oh, that's so rude. I love it so much.

[Nava Kavilan]

That's amazing.

[Jameela Jamil]

That really hurt. Thank you for sharing. Thank you for sharing. Nava, do you have a mic humiliation to add to the pot?

[Nava Kavilan]

Yeah, I do. I have a couple, but I'll start with this one. I don't drink at All, I've never done drugs, so I've never been, like, high or drunk. But I would like to assume that I would be, like, a happy. A happy drunk. And in my mind, there's only two kinds, happy or depressive. Anyway, one day, so I have some nerve damage, and there's a picture medication that I take for it that I can take during the day that looks exactly like Ambien. And I don't take Ambien regularly, but when I go on international flights, my doctor prescribes me a few to kick the jet lag. So, anyway, I had a little bottle of Ambien from a previous trip right next to the bottle of the nerve medication, and I grabbed the Ambien bottle by accident.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Took two.

[Nava Kavilan]

You're not supposed to take two Ambien. You're not supposed to take any Ambien in the middle of the day. I took two at 2pm and at 2:30pm I'm, like, having a hard time getting off my couch. I was supposed to, like, meet a friend. It was the anniversary of his dad's death. And my mom. Our parents died on the same day. We were gonna go pray together.

[Pen Badgley]

Oh, my.

[Nava Kavilan]

And I'm just, like, texting, and I'm like, I just feel so weird. I had a weird reaction to my medication. Whatever. Anyway, I wake up the next day at 7am So I have slept from 2:30pm until 7am on my couch, and I look at my phone, and I have text messages from Ariana Grande's manager. And the text messages say, that's an interesting idea. Ariana's pretty busy, but I guess you could, like, write an email to try. And I'm like, what? Like, what is she talking about? I do the booking for our show, so I get people's email addresses.

[Pen Badgley]

And just to be clear, we have had Ariana Grande on our show. I don't know about any other podcasts you listen to, but we have had Ariana Grande on our part.

[Jameela Jamil]

Why don't you go fuck yourself? All right, Pen, she hasn't been on yet.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Okay?

[Jameela Jamil]

She's on the list.

[Nava Kavilan]

So I'm like, why is Ariana's manager texting me? She's not coming on the show. And then I scroll up and I texted Ariana's manager, Soul drunk text. Hey, Pen is on pat leave. Do you think Ariana would want to come host our podcast?

[Pen Badgley]

Which is absolutely.

[Nava Kavilan]

We're, like, the most, like, the easiest person to get. Like, not a big.

[Pen Badgley]

We are so lucky we had her once. And you're Trying to get her like not twice. Right.

[Nava Kavilan]

Come multiple times to work for free while Pen is on. Yeah. And we'd never talked about having a guest host like we were gonna take that time. I just like, I was like, oh, so when I'm drunk I just do more work. But like, in a damaging way. The saddest part of the story is that Ariana's manager told me we were her favorite podcast that she did last year and I think she did want to come back, but I think now they're like, you're too comfortable with Ariana, so she will not be coming back on our show.

[Jameela Jamil]

Do you think Ariana would be willing to clean for us? Yeah.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Right.

[Sophie Ansari]

Wait, so, Nava, were there any other drop? Because you said you fell asleep from 2:30 to 7:00pm but evidently you didn't.

[Nava Kavilan]

I sent emails as well. I sent work emails that I don't remember sending, but those were normal. It was like the appropriate response to things. So I woke up at some point and started working, but I don't remember it.

[Jameela Jamil]

I feel you, dude. I mean, could have maybe been worse, but definitely very embarrassing and out of control. No more Ambien for you.

[Nava Kavilan]

No more Ambien at 2pm yeah.

[Jameela Jamil]

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[Jameela Jamil]

And we are back. Okay, it's time for everyone's true wrong turns. Nava, do you want to go first?

[Nava Kavilan]

I Want to say that I consider this the most embarrassing thing that's ever happened to me. So knowing that they have more embarrassing stories that they're not sharing, I'm like, oh, no, am I taking a wrong turn right now by sharing this one? But okay, so this was a few years ago. I was in New York, and I was flying to North Carolina. I think I had just gotten out of a relationship with someone and was in that stage where you're just like. You just want to start dating someone else, like, right away, you know, to sort of, like, forget about it, get.

[Jameela Jamil]

Under somebody, to get over somebody.

[Nava Kavilan]

Yeah. And I'm like, looking for signs. Whatever. Anyway, so I get on this flight.

[Jameela Jamil]

Sorry, don't gloss over that. What do you mean you're looking for signs?

[Nava Kavilan]

Oh, yeah. I'm like, if, like, the person is, like, sitting next to me or I was, like, looking for signs in the universe. I was kind of in a place where I was like, more looking for signs.

[Pen Badgley]

If a butterfly lands on my knuckles right now, then, like, instead of going.

[Nava Kavilan]

On a dating website, I would be like, the guy in the coffee shop. Like a serendipity type thing is what I mean.

[Jameela Jamil]

Okay. And were you, like, are you, like, one of those numbers people, you know, who are like, if it's 11:11 and he texts me, or 2:22.

[Nava Kavilan]

Not generally that into, like, angel numbers. But I'm really like, she's biting her tongue.

[Pen Badgley]

She's.

[Nava Kavilan]

I. I am superstitious in some ways, but not in all ways, I guess. Yeah, I think in some ways I.

[Pen Badgley]

Feel like because you have a hot take A hot take on. On astrology.

[Nava Kavilan]

On astrology. You're trying to get me canceled on.

[Pen Badgley]

Every podcast that I actually went real long and hard against astrology on another podcast that hasn't come out yet. So we'll see how I do.

[Nava Kavilan]

You're gonna get canceled.

[Pen Badgley]

Yeah.

[Jameela Jamil]

I'm quite similar. But I do know that there are men who now set an alarm to text women they're trying to date at 2:22 and, like, 11:11. So that she'll think it's a sign.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

It is.

[Sophie Ansari]

It wasn't fake before. It is now.

[Pen Badgley]

Serge Gainsbourg level.

[Jameela Jamil]

I know. It's so deeply funny to me, but also absolutely hideous. Anyway, sorry.

[Pen Badgley]

Okay, so you funny and truly hideous. Like, it's just. If it was fake.

[Nava Kavilan]

I'm looking for, like, a serendipity rom com moment. Like, faded, encountered.

[Jameela Jamil]

Love it.

[Nava Kavilan]

And so anyways, I go on this flight to North Carolina and the airplane. It's not that Large. It only has two aisles, and the right aisle is shorter than the left aisle because it ends with a bathroom. And on the left aisle, the last row is across from the bathroom, so you have a direct view of the bathroom. I end up in that row. And the guy next to me is so hot and around my age. And I'm like, this is it. This is the sign that I was looking for that was pricked. Like, he's just right next to me. This is my guy. So I'm, like, super hyped, excited. And I'm like, how do I talk to him? We both had our headphones, and we were watching the tv, and I was like, okay, maybe if I take off my headphones, that will help us initiate conversation. So I take off my headphones, and I turn off the screen, and I, like, pull out a book, and he notices. And he very quickly takes off his headphones, and he says hi to me. And I'm like, oh, my God. And so we start talking. We start flirting. He's really nice. He's really hot. And I'm like, he's definitely gonna ask for my number when we land. Like, I'm sure of it. And I've had a couple guys ask for my number at the end of a flight. And I'm like, this is the same vibe. Like, I know this is gonna happen. So I'm really excited, super excited about this guy. And then I have to go to the bathroom, which is a totally normal thing to have to do. So I go to the bathroom, and as soon as I start peeing, there's, like, crazy turbulence. I literally fly into the air and then land back on the toilet and then slip, but I'm still peeing. So my leg kicks the door, and the door gets jammed. You know how it can be like a triangle when you're opening a plane door?

[Jameela Jamil]

Yeah.

[Nava Kavilan]

It gets jammed in the middle. So it's partially open, partially closed. And because of the sound of my leg hitting the door, the guy turns and looks, and I know that what he can see is urine coming out of my vagina facing him. It's like my legs are swaying. There's nothing I can do to stop it. And we both make eye contact. And then he immediately closes his eyes and puts his head down. And I'm. I'm so mortified. And I'm like, the pee is also going everywhere because I'm no longer, like, quite on the toilet. It's so embarrassing. Anyway, so I finish peeing. I clean up. I'm like, this is so embarrassing. I can't believe I have to go sit next to this guy. But then the door is stuck because it was locked. It was just that, like, the force of my foot kicking it. So I'm stuck in the bathroom. I'm clearly, like, shaking the door. He will not open his eyes and come help me. So I'm like, do I have to scream for a flight attendant? Anyway, I'm able to, like, jam it, and then I finally can, like, close it and then unlock it and open it. And when I go back and sit down, he never opens his eyes. He pretends to be asleep the entire. But he's, like, so stiff. He's, like, barely breathing. Honestly, that's sweet of him. Gets rid of him. He's not going to acknowledge he. There's like, he's not going to.

[Jameela Jamil]

I can't believe you find this. I think this man is a prick. Like, he didn't help and then pretended to die.

[Nava Kavilan]

He was just, like, afterwards. Exactly. So when we land, he still doesn't, like, wake up until I take my bag out of the overhead and start walking away. And then he, like, gets up and stirs. And I was just like, this is so embarrassing. And I don't know why, but I kept thinking, like, if this were, like, medieval times and I were a sovereign, I would have him killed. Like you would have someone who witnessed you in such a vulnerable position killed. So, yeah, that was the most embarrassing.

[Pen Badgley]

I love that just in all of your troubles, you actually thought about killing, like, even though you didn't directly think about killing him.

[Jameela Jamil]

Oh, no.

[Nava Kavilan]

I was like, I would have this person killed. This is so humiliating that he saw it.

[Jameela Jamil]

Well, he knows too much, and he's seen too much. And so I'm fully with Nava there. You know, it's time to go. But I think that's what he pre anticipated. And so he essentially played dead.

[Nava Kavilan]

He did, yeah.

[Jameela Jamil]

Like a full pot.

[Pen Badgley]

He literally just, like the entire rest.

[Nava Kavilan]

Of the flight, like, several hours, just completely may.

[Pen Badgley]

Wow.

[Jameela Jamil]

I did not see the story going that way.

[Sophie Ansari]

The producer on this show called me to, like, check in and, like, help me think of some of my embarrassing stories. And he said, just so you know, Nava has one that's pretty out there.

[Jameela Jamil]

I wonder what it is.

[Nava Kavilan]

I could not have expected this.

[Jameela Jamil]

Yeah.

[Nava Kavilan]

And after it happened, I was like, I'm never gonna tell anyone. I'm never gonna tell anyone. I don't want anyone to ever know. So now I'm telling it on this podcast. I've never told this Story.

[Pen Badgley]

And you have millions of listeners. No.

[Jameela Jamil]

So, yes, this is. Everyone knows now. So this is. This is a real honor and a pleasure, and actually, for whatever it's worth, it's where most people's deepest, darkest secrets have been accidentally or intentionally unearthed for the first time. So that's our sort of. Of usp. So thank you for. Thank you for sharing. Really. That means a lot. Oh, man. Well, Pen, you're up. What was your big wrong turn?

[Pen Badgley]

Well, okay, so this one I kind of like. I haven't really told this story much because it troubles me a lot, but it. I think you'll have to help me unpack it, because, honestly, it's like. It's not. It's brief.

[Jameela Jamil]

You saw a woman trapped in a toilet. You could see her pissing, and you did nothing. And you played dead.

[Nava Kavilan]

I was on a flight to North Carolina.

[Pen Badgley]

Yeah. Weirdly, you've heard this the side, and she's pretty dead on. She's right. So I. So I was like, this was I. I in my 20s. I. I know how old I am based on what season. I remember it being of Gossip Girl, so I must have been 23, 24. I remember exactly what I was wearing. It was like a beautiful, warm spring day. I'm riding my bike. I had become a very aggressive biker. Not, like, aggressive with other people, but, like, at all. That's not in my nature.

[Jameela Jamil]

Competitive with yourself?

[Pen Badgley]

Yes. I was just, like. I was just getting more and more cavalier. Just more and more and more and more cavalier.

[Jameela Jamil]

Like that winter, were you doing, like, sort of that thing where you lift the bike and then you're just cycling on the back wheel?

[Pen Badgley]

You said like a person who truly doesn't know what that's called. Wow.

[Nava Kavilan]

It's a wheelie.

[Pen Badgley]

It's definitely called a wheelie.

[Jameela Jamil]

I've never ridden a bicycle in my life before.

[Sophie Ansari]

No.

[Nava Kavilan]

You're joking. No.

[Jameela Jamil]

I can't ride a bicycle.

[Pen Badgley]

Okay.

[Jameela Jamil]

Well, on my 30th birthday, my boyfriend and all of my friends arranged, like, a bicycle lesson, and I couldn't do it. And it was one of the more humiliating ways to turn 30 because everyone really thought I would get it. And then after an hour, everyone's bored and worried, and I never mastered it.

[Pen Badgley]

So I do believe it because of the way you described, at great length, a wheelie and just pedaling. Okay. So, yes, I had become, like, like, really, really into it. I. I wore, like, a. Just in the winter, I would go full on. You know, I was. I didn't. It wasn't A fixed gear. I wasn't fully there, but it was a single gear. And I just, you know, did. Now, looking back, just kind of asinine stuff, dangerous stuff that I would not do with children. Now, I don't mean on the bike. I mean, because I have children, I wouldn't risk my life unnecessarily just to get some. Somewhere in New York City, there are a lot of biking deaths. Anyway, Pen.

[Nava Kavilan]

Always bringing the fun.

[Pen Badgley]

Yeah, super, super fun. So this is what I mean. It's not really funny. It is a pretty unique event where I shudder sometimes and think because I'm like, I almost killed somebody, like, Or I almost seriously hurt them. And, I mean, I stopped biking very soon after this. So I'm going to meet my friend, and I think at this point, I was in a period of, like. Like, I would leave the house with, like, a single credit card and key tucked into my waistband, and I wouldn't have my phone. I wouldn't have a. I just wanted to be, like, in as few. You know what I'm saying? This was the spirit of it. I was, like, wearing, like, a very thin, like, billowy sleeveless shirt and, like, just a pair of gym shorts. And, like, you know, this is quite an outfit. And I'm biking very fast uptown from the Lower east side, which is kind of far. Like, I'm going. Going to the. To, like, 59th Street. I'm meeting my friend at the lower end of Central park. And because he was like, let's bike. I've just gotten into biking. I'm like, oh, I've just got into biking. We're gonna. We're gonna do this. And. And for me, this was actually casual. I wasn't, like, going crazy. I was just biking the way that I bike. And I remember, I'm on one of the main streets, but crossing Park Avenue. Park Avenue is four total lanes. It's two lanes in each direction, right? So. So it's a wide, wide, wide, wide intersection. And I think I'm on, like, 57th and park, which is like a. If that's an. It's just one of these major intersections where there are so many people and cars, and it's massive. So getting across it is like, you know, so what do I do? Like, the light is turning yellow, and I just start to speed up, like, at my utmost. And again, I'm not thinking in my head. I, like, gonna beat the light. Gonna beat the light. I'm just like, this is just how I bike now. And I had not gotten in Any accidents. And I was, you know, I thought very conscious. I've always hated New York City bikers who are, who act like they're entitled to everything and they yell at pedestrians and, and drivers alike. I fucking hate those people. This. I was. I thought I was conscientious, and this is the moment I realized I wasn't. I'm biking, like, top speed. I actually googled how fast. Like, you know, my chat GPT actually knows like, my weight and stuff like that because I use it for. Anyway, whatever I used, I use it to lose weight for a film. So I know it knows my regimen.

[Advertiser/Announcer]

All right?

[Pen Badgley]

And, and, and I asked it just like, how fast would I be going if I was pedaling my fastest on a, on a, on a single speed bike to, to beat a light? And it said, Anyway, we're about 25 to 30 miles per hour. So 25 to 30 miles per hour is pretty fast. And I'm going that fast to beat a light. I don't beat it enough so that the intersection starts. The pedestrians on either side of the street that I'm on as I cross Park Avenue is starting like the Red Sea to not part. It's like they're coming together. And I fucking like. Because I was going fast enough to beat it. I don't slow down.

[Jameela Jamil]

Well, you can't. You've got too much momentum.

[Pen Badgley]

Right. And I didn't even really think that much of it until, like, I saw one woman who. She's looking down, she's texting, and I also. There's like a bump or something. All I remember is I'm in the air. I'm in the air. So I couldn't even stop if I wanted.

[Jameela Jamil]

Are you in the air like ET Are you on the bike?

[Pen Badgley]

No, no, no. I'm probably like 3 inches off the air. Past the moon? No, I'm probably like inches off the ground. Just enough so that there's absolutely no traction. You know what I mean? Like, I'm sailing through the air between 25.

[Sophie Ansari]

How are you off the ground?

[Pen Badgley]

Because there must have been some little, you know, there must have been some little. I just remember this.

[Jameela Jamil]

Some little body that he went over.

[Pen Badgley]

Yeah, I just. I just ran over a child. And so you really catch air when they're. When they're about under 5 years old, they, they don't present really any resistance. They just give you air. No. And so I'm like going through the air and I remember my. The way I tried to avoid her. I twisted my body so that I'M starting to also do like a little jackknife. So, Jamila, what you do in a jackknife on a bike, it's basically like two wheelies anyway. I'm just like sailing and turning through the air a little bit.

[Nava Kavilan]

Oh, my God.

[Pen Badgley]

And she's close enough to me in a flash. Like, if she had not stopped, guys, I would have hit her.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

You would have killed her.

[Pen Badgley]

I would have hit her and I couldn't.

[Sophie Ansari]

So you don't even hit her in the story.

[Pen Badgley]

Well, Sophie, no, that would not be mortifying. That would be a liability.

[Jameela Jamil]

So.

[Pen Badgley]

But I'm saying. No, but. No, but she stopped.

[Advertiser/Announcer]

She.

[Pen Badgley]

In one second, I heard her gasp. Like, that's how close we were. She goes like that. And she just looked up and like, I'm telling you, it's just burned into my mind, like looking at her. So, I mean, so close, like inches from my handlebars and my body and the metal of the bike. And it's mortifying in a non funny way, which is why I was like, I don't really know about these stories, but, I mean, I really do feel.

[Nava Kavilan]

Like I'll give you another embarrassing story if you need to edit.

[Jameela Jamil]

You know what I did think. Do you remember when I came on your podcast and then it sort of went viral when I snapped at Pen to get to the fucking moment? Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Nava Kavilan]

He was trying to figure it out.

[Jameela Jamil]

There was a point during that story where I was like, is he rage baiting me right now?

[Sophie Ansari]

He's going to draw it out because he knows there's no climax of the story.

[Nava Kavilan]

He never hit her. He never hit her.

[Jameela Jamil]

He's making us.

[Pen Badgley]

Sophie, you fucking farted. Okay?

[Jameela Jamil]

You farted.

[Pen Badgley]

I knew you killed somebody. That surely is something.

[Jameela Jamil]

Nearly. And not at all.

[Pen Badgley]

She also felt a gust of wind and was horrified.

[Jameela Jamil]

So one time I nearly made a mistake was Pen story.

[Sophie Ansari]

But I looked really cool doing it. I was soaring through the air.

[Jameela Jamil]

I was dressed like a Prada campaign. I'm on top of the world at the biggest show. And then I nearly make a mistake. Or don't. Because I'm such a great cyclist. I avert hurting anyone.

[Pen Badgley]

No, no, no.

[Sophie Ansari]

Doing wheelies and jackknifes.

[Nava Kavilan]

What I'm saying is, and I can go 30 miles an hour. That was the point of the story, was to show up.

[Pen Badgley]

I'm just a pretty face.

[Nava Kavilan]

No, you guys, I'm also a cyclist.

[Jameela Jamil]

I'm also a great cyclist. It's true. Yeah.

[Sophie Ansari]

Okay, this is your embarrassing story.

[Pen Badgley]

But it's it's horrendous.

[Nava Kavilan]

Why don't you zoom in on your calf muscles so we can, like, really get the.

[Jameela Jamil]

And just say that you yourself when you land or something.

[Pen Badgley]

I've never.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

My pants.

[Nava Kavilan]

Five years old.

[Pen Badgley]

Guys, I'm sorry.

[Sophie Ansari]

I think what's more embarrassing about this story is you chat gpting how fast you were going. I really want to see your chat GPT history so bad.

[Pen Badgley]

Well, you know, I mean, I just. I did this movie over the summer, and for the first time ever, I've had to lose weight for a role, and I lost 20 pounds, which is a lot pretty quickly. I mean, it's a lot for quickness. I did it in, like, six weeks or something. So my chat gbt for a while was just like, all bro all the time. Just like, what's this? What's this? If I can do this, can I.

[Nava Kavilan]

Do this Protein powder.

[Jameela Jamil]

It's just every 13 year old.

[Pen Badgley]

Oh, my God.

[Jameela Jamil]

Yeah. Input. Oh, man. Well, thank you for sharing that deeply personal story, Pen. Yeah.

[Nava Kavilan]

Deeply personal, private.

[Jameela Jamil]

I do know what you mean about the harrowing terror of nearly killing someone, but I think we're gonna get chatgpt to use your voice and then add something more embarrassing at the end.

[Pen Badgley]

Yeah, and then I said I felt happy.

[Jameela Jamil]

I came all over my face.

[Pen Badgley]

Nice.

[Sophie Ansari]

You don't even need chatgpt. He's done it for you.

[Jameela Jamil]

All right, Sophie, Sophie, you've got to bring it home. Tell me, what is your wrong turn?

[Sophie Ansari]

Oh, man. Okay, well, like, Pen, a lot of my embarrassing stories, they were just too embarrassing to tell because they were. They weren't funny. They were just like, oh, you're just sitting in, like, a feeling at the end of it. So.

[Jameela Jamil]

Thank you for telling me that you withheld your best stories. Great. No, please give me your leftovers. I'm dying to hear.

[Sophie Ansari]

I'm trying to think, like, should I tell you this story? It's just kind of sad. I don't want to do another sad story that Pen just told you.

[Jameela Jamil]

By the way, you did not have a right to. To talk to Pen. You don't even know if the man smelled your fart.

[Pen Badgley]

Yeah. So so far. So far, we literally have a story about a girl farting.

[Jameela Jamil]

Right now, Nara is the only one who's really shame.

[Nava Kavilan]

Okay.

[Pen Badgley]

Shame in 3D gave a stranger a golden shower and.

[Nava Kavilan]

Exactly.

[Jameela Jamil]

She gave an entire plane a golden shower.

[Sophie Ansari]

Should I pivot?

[Nava Kavilan]

Should I tell you the. Really?

[Jameela Jamil]

The one that. Tell me whatever you want to tell me.

[Sophie Ansari]

Okay. I'm gonna tell the Story that I.

[Nava Kavilan]

Wasn'T planning to tell. Tell it.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Tell it.

[Jameela Jamil]

Let's go.

[Sophie Ansari]

Okay. So I have a daughter, and she finally. She's two. She finally has hair, but she didn't for a long time. She was, like. Had very thin, wispy hair until she was about, like, at least one and a half. And I was with a few friends, and we were chatting, and they were saying how cute she was, and they said, do you ever just imagine her in the future on her wedding day? And I was like, actually, I did just. I do imagine her on her wedding day, but when I imagine her in the future, it's really hard for me because she's bald, because she doesn't have any hair. I just imagine this bald girl in a wedding dress. And I have these stories that I feel like they just do. Well, I knew that was a tidbit that people were gonna laugh at, and they did. But what I didn't realize was that one of the girls had cancer. I mean, I. No, she has alopecia. And I. As it's coming out of my mouth, I'm like, I want to shrivel. I want to shrivel into my clothing. Luckily, she's very chill about it. She talks about her alopecia all the time, and she's very comfortable with it. But that kind of thing happens to me constantly where I just.

[Jameela Jamil]

For sure, for sure. It's always. It's always the way I did think.

[Sophie Ansari]

Like, okay, how do. On the fly? I'm like, how do I deal with this? Do I apologize? Do I. Like, ultimately, no. If I say, I'm so sorry, then I put her in a position where she has to be like, it's okay. Don't worry about it, you freak. So, yeah, you just have to let it go.

[Jameela Jamil]

Wait, what did you say? Did you just let it hang and then just commit?

[Sophie Ansari]

You double down, and we changed the topic of conversation for sure. And I've never talked to her about it. I should talk to her about it before this episode comes out.

[Jameela Jamil]

Yeah, exactly. Just send her the link. Say you're sorry.

[Sophie Ansari]

Remember that?

[Nava Kavilan]

My formal apology.

[Jameela Jamil]

Well, that is mortifying. I don't think it's super sad. I'm sure these things happen all the time. I have very much so been in this situation before. Or it's just foot and mouth disease, and I can diagnose you officially with it. All right, we're gonna go to a quick break. We'll be right back.

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[Pen Badgley]

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[Nava Kavilan]

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[Jameela Jamil]

And we are back.

[Nava Kavilan]

Jameela. I have an amazing story about getting a ticket. I don't know if we have time, but this is my favorite embarrassing story to tell.

[Pen Badgley]

She's got a lot of them.

[Nava Kavilan]

Okay. This is my favorite, embarrassing story to tell. I got my license when I was 21 and then immediately moved to a country where I didn't need to drive. Basically didn't drive until I was, like, 28. Moved to Arizona.

[Jameela Jamil]

Still can't drive. Can't ride a bike. Still can't drive. Don't worry.

[Nava Kavilan]

Yeah, not a great driver. Have gotten better. But at that time, worst, worst peak, worst driving experience. I had gotten a ticket in a funny way. This isn't the story I'm gonna tell, but I had just told these friends of mine, a brother and sister, Jose Maria and Leticia. This is also one of their favorite stories. I had just told them the story about getting a ticket in, like, a funny way. And I was driving them home. And basically I had lived in a residential complex where when as soon as you exited the building, there was a red light and you had to drive over a sensor to activate whether or not it would, like, operate. I don't know why. It's just the way that it was because I didn't have a lot of experience. I thought maybe all red lights worked that way where you had to drive over a sensor to activate them. So anyway, I'm driving them home, and we are past a railroad track. There's no train coming.

[Pen Badgley]

Oh, my God.

[Nava Kavilan]

But there's, like, a line where you're not supposed to drive past that line because the train can come. So I'm waiting for a long time, and the light won't change. And I'm like, oh, maybe it's like my building where I have to drive over a sensor. So I drive forward a little bit, and then the light turns green, and I keep going. And then a cop comes behind me. I hear, like, the. The lights, the sirens, and I'm like, I'm not speeding. I didn't go through a stop sign. The light turned green. Like, why is this cop following me? So I pull over, and the cop is like, ma', am, do you know what you did wrong? And I was like, no. And he's like, ma', am, can you think about it? I don't know why they don't just tell you. And I was like, can you think about it? And I was like, no. And I was like, no. Like, I. I wasn't speeding. I didn't go through a stop sign. He's like, but you went over the line at the train tracks. That's really dangerous. And I was like, no, it was to activate the sign sensor. He was like, what? And I was like, yeah, I had to activate the sensor so that the light would change. And Jose Maria and Leticia are just quiet. They're just like, what's going on? So he's like, ma', am, can you show me your license and registration? So I show him, and then he's like, okay, I need to see your proof of insurance. And I had just renewed my insurance, but I hadn't printed out the cards. And I'm like, oh, no. And I'm like, sir, I. I swear that I have insurance, but I just, like, renewed it, and I don't have it. Can we look on my phone together? So he's like, waiting there for me to look on the phone, and then he says, ma', am, have you had something to drink tonight? And I don't drink because I'm a Baha'. I. And I don't know why I said that. I was like, oh, I never drink. I'm a Baha'. I. And I think he thought I told him I was bisexual. I think he. His face was sort of like, why are you giving me this information? He says, ma', am, I'm gonna need you to step out of the vehicle. And I was like, sure. Do you want me to blow on something? He wants me to do a. Like a inhaler.

[Jameela Jamil]

I'm into that. Exactly.

[Nava Kavilan]

As soon as I say, do you want me to blow on something? I'm like, oh, no, no, no, that's not. And then I just start walking in a straight. Like, I start walking away from the vehicle in a straight line.

[Pen Badgley]

Wait, because you're embarrassed.

[Jameela Jamil]

Malfunctioning.

[Sophie Ansari]

To show him.

[Nava Kavilan]

To show him that I get that I'm not drunk, but I was too embarrassed to say, like, the Breathalyzer thing. And so I start walking in a straight line. He's like, ma', am, what are you doing? I said, I'm walking in a straight line to show you that I'm not drunk. And he was like, ma', am, I did not ask you to do that.

[Jameela Jamil]

Please return, because it looks like you're just evading a policeman now. Like, you're making a very slow getaway.

[Sophie Ansari]

Deranged.

[Nava Kavilan]

So I come back to the vehicle, and then he gives me the Breathalyzer, and I breathe into it, and it's completely. It's zero. Like, I haven't had anything to drink. And he looks truly shocked, and he's like, ma', am, have you had a brain injury?

[Pen Badgley]

Oh.

[Nava Kavilan]

Too dumb to function, but she's not drunk. And I look at him and I'm like, excuse me? He's like, were you in some kind of, like, traumatic accident? Like, did you have a head injury? And Jose Maria and Leticia are starting to lose it because they can hear, and they're like, I can see. They're, like, sitting in the back trying not to. And I was like, no. And he said, but you understand why I asked, right? Oh, my God. I was like, no. And then he actually didn't give me a ticket because he felt so bad about me and that I have brain damage. So that's how I got out of it. And, yeah, that was me getting a ticket.

[Sophie Ansari]

That is amazing.

[Pen Badgley]

Wow.

[Nava Kavilan]

You understand for, like, a year, my friend Jose Maria would just walk up to me and be like, you understand why I asked, though, right?

[Jameela Jamil]

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my God. That's amazing.

[Nava Kavilan]

Apparently.

[Jameela Jamil]

Also, that would give you a complex for life. Like, that's just your personality. Everyone's always thought I was sober. Everyone's always thought not only that I was super drunk, but that I had a drinking problem. And I've been sober my whole life, but that's just my natural behavior. So people would always, like, load, load up, like, big drinks. And I turn up and I was like, no, I don't drink. And people have always been sure that my Twitter must have been something that I did drunk, that all of my. My sort of big, public, humiliating moments. The worst thing about me is that everything I've ever done wrong, every awful story I've told in this podcast, everything was 100% my fault. All me, dead sober. It's the worst thing about me. Oh, man. You three are a fucking delight and I adore you. Can you tell us a little bit of. Of just what to expect with your fantastic book so that people can go out and read it?

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Oh, my God.

[Pen Badgley]

I'm so done talking about our book.

[Jameela Jamil]

Okay, fine.

[Nava Kavilan]

Someone else pen at useless today. What's the opposite of an mvp? Least Valuable Player? Lvp. You're going to find me so much.

[Jameela Jamil]

Does anyone want to talk about your fucking brilliant book, Crushmore?

[Sophie Ansari]

Yeah. You're going to find some embarrassing stories, some heartwarming stories. I think each of us were a little bit more revealing than we've been.

[Pen Badgley]

It's a good pitch so far. We're gonna hear Some stories which are partly embarrassing.

[Sophie Ansari]

Penn gave us nothing today. But in our book, Crushmore does not, he actually gives us quite a lot. I remember reading one of Penn's essays before the book came out and I was sitting next to my husband David in bed and I. The whole time I was like, oh my God, he wrote this.

[Nava Kavilan]

Have you read this?

[Sophie Ansari]

And David is like, wow. Yeah, I feel like he was a lot more. He showed us a lot more.

[Pen Badgley]

I don't do it for free than he usually does.

[Nava Kavilan]

Yeah, you gotta buy.

[Jameela Jamil]

If I'd known, I would have paid you for the podcast. No, I'm joking. You guys are fantastic. Everyone go listen to the podcast. Go read the book. Find these people online. You're a joy. And thank you for coming and sharing today. Love you.

[Pen Badgley]

Thanks for having us.

[Nava Kavilan]

Thank you for having us.

[Jameela Jamil]

Bye. Wrong Turns was created and produced by me, Jameela Jamil and Stuart Bailey. And thank you to consulting producer Colin Anderson. You can email us a voice memo of your own Wrong Turns. All you have to do is email personal disaster storiesmail.com youm can find full length videos of our episodes on YouTube. And don't forget to subscribe, like review wherever you get your podcasts and tell your friends about us. And if you are also enjoying me as a person, I have a substack. It's called a low desire to please. That's enough of me. I'm gonna fuck off now.

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[Nava Kavilan]

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