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Jameela Jamil
Hello and welcome to Wrong Turns. This is the podcast that celebrates true abject misery, plaster, fuck and disaster. I can already see two thumbs up. So I see you're on board.
Trey Crowder
One of my favorite things.
Jesse Klein
Yeah, this is where we live, where.
Trey Crowder
I live, where I stay.
Jameela Jamil
Residents listen. The world is ending and we are the Titanic band playing. Everyone out. I've got my cello.
Jesse Klein
I've got all my strings.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah, not everything has to be fucking inspiring these days. All right, let's just enjoy the dumpster while we can.
Trey Crowder
I'm trying to be that cook. Yes, that guy actually lived. So, you know, sometimes getting drunk works.
Jameela Jamil
Yes, perfect. Well, joining me today, we have Emmy winning writer, actress and comedian from shows like Big Mouth Inside, Amy Schumer, Saturday Night Live, and Dead to Me. Her latest book, I'll Show Myself out, became a New York Times bestseller. And she co hosts the podcast here to make friends. It's Jesse bloody Klein.
Jesse Klein
Hello, Jesse bloody Klein.
Jameela Jamil
Hello.
Jesse Klein
Thanks for having me.
Jameela Jamil
So happy to have you here. Such a big fan.
Jesse Klein
Oh, thank you.
Jameela Jamil
And we have a brilliant comedian, producer, and co author of two books, the Liberal Redneck Manifesto, Dragon Dixie, out of the Dark and Round Here and Over Yonder, A front porch travel guide by two progressive hillbillies. Yes, that is a thing. And you can watch his new comedy special, trash Daddy, on YouTube. It's Trey Crowder.
Trey Crowder
Thank you very much. I appreciate it. And sorry about the long subtitles on those books.
Jameela Jamil
I love the titles. I'm so happy that you're both here. How are you both doing today?
Trey Crowder
I mean, you know, I'm all right. I'm hanging in there. Feeling a little bloated, but that's okay.
Jesse Klein
I, you know, in these times, I've, I had a conversation with someone once who was saying that when the fire of the world is happening, it's better to ask, how are you faring other than how are you doing? Because we're all kind of doing bad, right? And our faring's like, how are you coping? Drinking, drinking, drinking.
Trey Crowder
Like me and the cook.
Jesse Klein
Like you and the cook. The survivors.
Trey Crowder
Yes, exactly.
Jameela Jamil
Yes. It's the only way to get through. And it's perfect. That kind of behavior only creates more wrong turns.
Jesse Klein
I mean, Exactly.
Jameela Jamil
I get the immediate sense that, that you are two people that disaster is drawn to because of. Yeah. Okay.
Jesse Klein
Magnets.
Jameela Jamil
Magnets. Give me any small examples?
Trey Crowder
Well, I take a wrong turn every single night of, of my life. So, like I'll. I said feeling I'll try. I, I was a fat kid growing up, I try to do right, you know, like health and fitness wise. So like when I'm at home, because I'm a touring comedian, but when I'm at home all day long, I'll do well, I wake up in the morning, I'll get on the peloton, I'll lift weights or do whatever. I have a protein shake, I'll eat a chicken breast, I'll do all that. Do do every cold plunge. I don't have cold perfectly fine 98% of the day. And at night, my wife and kids are already asleep. I finished watching my, you know, Reacher or whatever the dad shit I'm watching on TV is, and then stand up. Stand up to go to bed. And instead of turning right where my bedroom is, I take the wrong turn left into the kitchen.
Jesse Klein
A literal wrong turn where?
Trey Crowder
A literal wrong turn. Where I stand, eat Girl Scout cookies in the dark, over the sink, alone for 10 minutes.
Jesse Klein
That's how they're meant to be.
Trey Crowder
Just shoving them.
Jesse Klein
No one's ever eaten Girl Scout cookies together.
Trey Crowder
Unhinging my jaw and just dumping them all in there in the. Completely in the abyss where I belong. And then. Then finally make it to the bed and then lay there in, like, the fetal position, like, moaning in pain and wondering why I did that for the next 25 minutes, and then woke up the next morning feeling like I cheated on my wife or something. The night before, like, just I cheated on myself is what I did.
Jesse Klein
Self abandonment.
Trey Crowder
Yes. But I did. That's the term now each and every night. So, yeah, that's my most common wrong.
Jameela Jamil
I don't know if you could name a woman in the 90s who doesn't have exactly the same nighttime routine. To be perfectly honest, I feel you did. Yeah.
Jesse Klein
I'm gonna say, I actually don't think any of that is a wrong turn. I feel like that's every right decision.
Trey Crowder
You think so?
Jameela Jamil
That's self care, not these fucking collagen masks. Yeah, that is self care. Build an industry and a podcast around that. Wait, what?
Trey Crowder
I don't know if my cholesterol agrees. Yeah.
Jesse Klein
What's your Girl Scout cookie flavor? I mean, obviously.
Trey Crowder
Well, as I've gotten older, like, it used to be, like, tagalongs and then, of course, like, some up. But, like, as I'm getting older, like, now I like the lemon ups.
Jesse Klein
The more, like, ooh, controversial.
Trey Crowder
Well, I feel like they're a little more boring and, like, less, like, in your face. But that's what happens, I think, as you get older. I mean, that's what I've been chalking it up to.
Jesse Klein
I was waiting for you to say Thin Mint.
Trey Crowder
And I've never been a big. Like, I don't like mint chocolate chip or mint.
Jameela Jamil
Same.
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Jesse Klein
Yeah.
Trey Crowder
I don't. Wow.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah. Do you want to leave? Why don't you leave?
Jesse Klein
It's not that I want to leave. It's that I'm not sure I should stay.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah.
Jesse Klein
I mean, anyone here?
Jameela Jamil
We're in a very tribal America right now. Okay. So it's just like you're either with us or against us.
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Jesse Klein
I'm trying to keep the vibes up, up, up. I just thought Thin Mint was the most popular one.
Jameela Jamil
Sorry.
Trey Crowder
I've got a son that likes me, so it's okay. So I don't have a problem with you.
Jesse Klein
Okay, okay, okay.
Jameela Jamil
Okay.
Trey Crowder
Everyone in my family, we're back. We're back.
Jesse Klein
Cool, cool, cool.
Jameela Jamil
I know. You're kind. Yeah. What about you, Jesse? When it comes to like micro humiliation.
Jesse Klein
Oh my God. Well, I have. I guess if it's three, it's a pattern. Along the way of my life, I. I've realized that I've had these little mini celebrity encounters where I sort of accidentally discourage people who are going to go on to do great things from doing them. Like. So the first one I can remember. Well, the third one is. Anyway, the first one. So when I was growing up, I was best friends with someone whose little sister was best friends with Claire Danes. Heard of her. And so she was. I was like 15 and she was 12. And it was pre my so called life. And we would hang out, we're like New York City kids. And then one night at a diner, we were all sitting around, it's like me and my friends and Claire's there and we're all talking about what we want to be when we grow up. And Claire says, like, I think I really want to be an actress. And she, by the way, was like a very charming, charismatic, precocious young girl. And I was like, well, that's a really great idea, but I just think you should have like a backup, you know, or like a plan B. Because like, the likeliness of that happening.
Jameela Jamil
Is a brutal industry.
Jesse Klein
It's a brutal industry. And I just was sort of like, cool. But like, what else? And then I think not even six months later, she was already being acclaimed as one of our generation's finest actors.
Jameela Jamil
And then.
Jesse Klein
And I've always just been like, oh my God, what a terrible human being. I. Why did I do that?
Trey Crowder
And then you might have been a motivator. Do you know what I mean?
Jameela Jamil
Like all those people, we all need a hater. I can't believe you're Claire D. First hater. That's crazy. I love her so much.
Jesse Klein
I don't know, I think I just was like, I want her to be okay financially. I don't know. And then in college, I went to Vassar College and freshman year, this sort of music producer who you may know as Mark Ronson.
Trey Crowder
Oh, my God.
Jesse Klein
Was at Vassar for his. For our freshman year. And it was like, very nice and, you know, a very good looking guy. And so everyone sort of knew him, but sweetheart. And then I guess we had a class together. And towards the end of that year, he was like, yeah, I've decided I'm not gonna be back. I'm gonna. I really wanna be Houston dj, a producer. So I'm like, gonna go pursue it. I'm gonna just take off from college and go do that. And I was like, mark, don't you think you should finish your school? Don't you really think you should stay? Oh, my God. You know, like, your lib education is really important. And again, you know, cut to him just really doing pretty great. I'm gonna wait.
Jameela Jamil
I'm sorry that you're on my podcast now. If you're encouraging me, it means it's gonna fail.
Trey Crowder
Could you please shit talk me when.
Jameela Jamil
We get done here?
Jesse Klein
Oh, I know, I know. I don't think. And then the third one's a little different, but also a humiliating celebrity encounter.
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Jameela Jamil
Did you talk Malala out of activism?
Jesse Klein
You know, is the Taliban that bad? Like, just leave it. It'll probably just crumble on its own. Get along to go along or whatever. All of these queens. And then, yeah, many years ago, I told, like my first story for the Moth, which is like a storytelling show that you should check out. And I was put on a lineup with Ethan Hawke, who did not. Was already very famous. I could not discourage him. But I was telling a story about a big breakup I'd gone through. And then he came up after me. And very kindly as he was on stage was like, it's very hard to follow Jesse Klein. Like, he was very complimentary. And then he was like, oh, and I wonder if I could get her number. And so I'm dying. I think he was single at the time. I think this is many, many years ago. Not cheating on his wife. But I was, like, shy, didn't know what to do about it. And then a year later, I was at this big fundraiser for the Moth. And I see him, like at the crudite table or whatever, and I'm like, now is my big chance. Because it usually goes really well with me and people of this caliber. And I went up to him and I think I did like, tap, tap. And he whirls around, slightly terrified. I'm like, hi, it's me, your soulmate. Hey, it's me. And like, you've it was like when a dog is watching the news, like, no understanding or connection to, like. Like, not even a gestalt of a face. He was just like, what? And just my heart, I was like, this is the revenge of Mark Ronson and Claire Danes. Like, he just couldn't understand. And then I was trying to explain, and slowly my whole soul is just Homer Simpson gifing into a bush. Like, yeah, I'm so sorry, Mr. Hall. Yeah. Anyway, so I really shouldn't be out of the house. It's not going well for me.
Jameela Jamil
Listen, I'm not better around celebrities. I was remembering last night, the first time I ever met Whitney Cummings, who, like, you know, 15 years ago, she was just coming up as a standup. Or maybe it was 10 years ago, she was like, really coming up as a standup. And I really enjoyed her work back then. And I thought she was just so funny.
Jesse Klein
So funny.
Jameela Jamil
And when I get, you know, when I really admire someone and I get cold at the same time, if I get nervous and cold at the same time, I lose complete control of my entire body. My entire body decides to go against me and stages a coup against my entire life. Yeah, A full rebellion, right? So there was this, like, weird, like, arctic breeze that had hit California, and it was in November, and so it was full fucking freezing, 52 to 57.
Trey Crowder
No, no, no.
Jameela Jamil
It was actually legitimately fucking freezing. So Whitney walks off stage and I run up to her just to say, like, oh, I just want you to know I'm, like, such a fan. I used to watch you, like, back in England, and I think you're so funny. You were so great on stage. And as I'm about to start speaking to her, this, like, arctic wind hits me. So now I'm nervous and freezing cold, and my entire body starts going into uncontrollable shakes. Like, I'm having, like, a big quake is happening inside of now. I can't get any words out. So I was like, I'm such a big fan. And she was like. And so she immediately stops, right? Because it's Whitney. And she's like, you know, she's a decent human being. She stops and she thinks like, oh, okay, this person needs a little extra time. So she stops immediately. And I was like, I'm Jamila. And she was like, yeah, okay. And so she tells all her friends to go away for a second and give us some space. And I'm like, oh, no, no, no.
Jesse Klein
No, no, no, no.
Jameela Jamil
I was like, there's no.
Jesse Klein
No, no, no.
Jameela Jamil
Nothing wrong with Me. And she was like, no, there is nothing wrong with you. Hey, there is nothing wrong with you. So she starts, like. She starts like Robin Williams in Goodwill hunting of like, it's not your fault. It's not your fault, right? And I was like, no, I'm just cold. And she was like, it is cold. You know what? I'm actually cold as well. Yeah, it is cold. And I was like, oh, no. She's like. So then she's like, do you want to walk? She was like, I'm really late. I have to get to another show, but do you want to walk me to my car? And so she lets me walk her to her car. And, like is just so unbearably kind to me. And the thing is, is that I go there all the time, and now I know I'm going to have to see her again at some other point. So she gives me, like, a huge hug, gives me some, like, free merch and all this stuff. And I keep trying to be like.
Jesse Klein
No, no, no, no, I'm free.
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Jameela Jamil
And she was like, I know you are, honey.
Jesse Klein
You are fine. Can I help you find your way?
Jameela Jamil
She was like, you're amazing.
Jesse Klein
You know what? You're my hero.
Jameela Jamil
So then I walk into her car, she gets in, and I wave away, just feeling like, oh, no, she's gonna think I'm such a manipulator. And then I just, like, avoided her for years.
Jesse Klein
The proper response. The proper response. Avoidance.
Jameela Jamil
The idea that she'll now think that I put that on to manipulate her.
Jesse Klein
She was really worried about you.
Jameela Jamil
So worried. It was a very kind moment, but it was one of those ones where I remember her seeing me two weeks later talking to, like, Neil Brennan, who's a really good friend of mine who's also a friend of hers. And so apparently she was like, oh, who's that girl? Like, oh, she's got.
Jesse Klein
Is this a make a wish?
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Jameela Jamil
And then found out I'm absolutely fine and I'm on the Good Place and so awkward.
Jesse Klein
Well, you're a girl after my own.
Trey Crowder
No joke. A recurring nightmare that I have is having that happen to me, like, talking like that for no reason in, like, a situation like that or on a podcast or on stage or something. Like, having a nightmare about going to school without your pants on or whatever. Like, I do that with talking. The way you really talk to Whitney.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah, because it's just. It's just the fact that, like, that's not how I actually speak. And so she's gonna think I'm A fraud or a psychopath later.
Jesse Klein
Sort of a NETFLIX documentary of a person. Yeah.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah. So it was just. It was a nice way to find out how deeply kind she is. She's like, no, there's. Hey, there's nothing wrong with you. Okay. Square.
Jesse Klein
Yes.
Jameela Jamil
Full sports mom.
Jesse Klein
So, so sweet.
Jameela Jamil
So insane. I'm. I'm very sad and disappointed that Ethan Hawke didn't immediately recognize you and marry you.
Jesse Klein
I mean, we share in the disappointment. You know, there's. It was presumptuous, and I. I think it worked out. I think he's with the person he was meant to be with. That's what I tell myself.
Jameela Jamil
Fine.
Jesse Klein
Fine.
Jameela Jamil
Trey, what about you? Any humiliating.
Trey Crowder
Yeah, very brief one that I could think of when it comes to, like, celebrities is. I remember once I. Friend of mine who's, like, an aspiring actor out here is in Tim Robbins Theater troupe. You know, Tim Robbins, Charles Shake, Redemption and all that. Great actor, big fan. And, like, yeah, I was there with my buddy who's in that theater group, and Tim Robbins was there that night. And I never met him before he was there, and the guy is, like, about to introduce me to him. And in my head, I think about how I know for a fact I've seen Tim Robbins multiple times on Bill Maher's show. And I also had done Bill Maher's show, so I wanted a way to, like, relate to him, find an immediate in. Right.
Jesse Klein
Yeah.
Trey Crowder
But my buddy James goes, hey, Tim, this is Trey. Trey, this is Tim. Whatever. And I was just like. I was on Bill Maher. I just said it. And he goes, okay.
Jesse Klein
Oh.
Trey Crowder
And then just like. And I was like. I meant, like, I said that because you. And then I just, like, fell apart even further.
Jesse Klein
Oh, naked. Okay. Okay.
Trey Crowder
It was. But, yeah, he was like, all right. You know, like, that type of, like, that's cool.
Jesse Klein
Hurts. Yeah.
Trey Crowder
But it was. You know, I just. You know, I tell, like, you. I don't know. It all happened so fast.
Jesse Klein
It happens.
Trey Crowder
So I thought I had a plan, but then half the words just didn't come out. I just skipped to just that part, like, thinking that he would know the reason I was saying.
Jameela Jamil
Version of your brain shitting its own pants.
Trey Crowder
Exactly.
Jameela Jamil
You know, it just comes out of nowhere, just happens, and it's a fucking nightmare.
Jesse Klein
Yeah, well, nightmare.
Trey Crowder
I was also at this premiere for a documentary one of the Coen brothers did, because I'm, like, friends with a T Bone Burnett who works with him all the time. And so, like, there was a bunch of big A list people There and stuff. And there was. I was talking to somebody and they mentioned Gabe, my friend Gabe, who works with T Bone and does music on his movies. He's also in the band the Punch Brothers. And I know Gabe very well. And he's like standing right there and this person mentions Gabe. And I was like, oh, Gabe's my buddy. I was like, hey, Gabe. Gabe. But he, like, didn't hear me. And instead of just like stopping for some reason, I was like, I'm doing this now. So, like five seconds later, I'm just screaming, gabe. Hey, Gabe. Like, and everyone has stopped talking, like, in the area. And it's just like looking at me. And finally he was like, what? And I was like, what, Trey? And I was like, no, she just said that. She just. You know her, right? Yeah, I said, I knew you too.
Jameela Jamil
It's such a horrible. I know exactly how you feel. Yes. We've all been there.
Trey Crowder
And then right after that, it's just like, I don't. What? I don't know why. I literally do not know why I did that.
Jesse Klein
Because you had started it.
Trey Crowder
I started. Yeah, Right.
Jesse Klein
It would be embarrassing not to finish it.
Trey Crowder
Yeah.
Jesse Klein
So better to keep screaming your friends.
Jameela Jamil
Fucking word she says, right? This woman gives terrible advice. You're not allowed to give any of us any advice. She tells you it's okay. I'm going to tell you now, it's not okay.
Jesse Klein
You know what? You've cracked the code. This is exactly right. You're exactly right.
Jameela Jamil
We'll be right back after the break.
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Jameela Jamil
Okay, so we're back. All right.
Jesse Klein
Jessie. Yes.
Jameela Jamil
Tell me your big wrong turn.
Jesse Klein
Okay, so my big wrong turn. Okay, so I. Well I grew up in New York City so I didn't learn how to drive until I was 33 and I failed the test twice before I passed. Anyway, the point is I just don't have like a long driving history at the time that this story is taking place. I'm driving to work one morning in LA and I am going through Griffith Park. I. And you know, it's like a one way road and I'm the only one on the road. And I become aware it's quite a winding road. It's quite, it's quite winding. And I become aware that I'm hearing like a police car behind me with like sirens going and the lights and I'm like, oh shit. Like, who are they? Like who are they chasing? I better get out of the way. And so I kind of speed up and also slightly pull, pull a little to the sides of this car. Police car can pass me to catch this perp. And.
Trey Crowder
And then I cannot imagine but thinking.
Jesse Klein
It'S not, it's like not passing and I just sort of. But the lights are just more insistent and the sirens are louder and I'm.
Jameela Jamil
Like, why better like, God, they really need to catch this guy.
Jesse Klein
They really need to catch this creep.
Trey Crowder
They seem upset.
Jesse Klein
They seem upset. And so I just kind of, I'm like, you're just getting. I guess I better speed up more. So I'm kind of gunning it at this point to end. Like again, trying to stay to the side so this car can find this person.
Trey Crowder
And then why didn't you like, you know why.
Jameela Jamil
There's no way to pull over. It's quite narrow.
Jesse Klein
There was not a world.
Trey Crowder
You're like trying to get out of the world.
Jesse Klein
Somehow I'm in the way. And like he, I don't know why he can't. I think I need to just like.
Trey Crowder
Really keep going till you get out of the way.
Jesse Klein
I just also was in fear. Like, what dangerous person. I better just really.
Trey Crowder
And you're a new driver and everything.
Jesse Klein
So I'm, I'm. Well, I'm not like a new driver typically, but I just, it's not like I've been. The point is I've never been pulled over in my life. I don't know what that looks like or feels like. I'm like, I just anyway.
Jameela Jamil
And then you're dripping in white privilege.
Jesse Klein
I'm basically dripping in white privilege. Yes, yes, 1 million percent. And I am also generally like a very good driver. Like I'm not. I just couldn't imagine a world. And then, then the cop does basically scream into their loudspeaker, pull over. And I'm like, oh my God, moi? And I don't know how to pull over. I just never pulled over before. So I pull over to the left. Left side of the road across the correct. Well, no, it's. Again, it's one way, but still, like, why did I do that? That doesn't.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah.
Jesse Klein
Make sense. And that, as you might imagine, angers the cop further because yeah, they're just like, what the. And also I've now led them on like a two mile police chase.
Trey Crowder
There's helicopters.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah.
Trey Crowder
Like news forest.
Jesse Klein
I don't know if you know, but like cops don't like it when you don't do what they want. And so then I'm like. He's like, right side. And then now I'm like, oh my God. And I pull over to the right. So the cop gets out of his car. And I'm gonna say, me and this cop are starting from a real deficit. Right, right, right, right. In as our relationship. Because I've just really angered him and I rolled out my window and he's so furious. And I guess what I did was at the light before I turned up into the park. It's like a 10 minute light. This is like such a fucking Californian Sally story. But I had briefly touched my phone and I guess if you touch your phone, even if you're at a light not moving, that is a 10 minute. Really? Yes. Let this be a word to the.
Trey Crowder
Come on.
Jameela Jamil
She was literally pulled over.
Trey Crowder
I'm saying that's, you know, it shouldn't be. No, no, no, it shouldn't be. Yeah.
Jesse Klein
Are you on my side?
Trey Crowder
Yes.
Jameela Jamil
Okay.
Trey Crowder
Yes. I'm saying that that feels like a bit much to me.
Jesse Klein
It was a bit much, but I'm just. I didn't know that, like at a red light, sitting there when you're absolutely still. Again, at like an extremely long light. Anyway, I touched my phone and he pounced. And then I did not understand that I was the subject of the chase. And then he's like, license. And I had not changed my license from my New York license to la. Right, right, right. So at that point he does let me know if he wanted to, he like could essentially arrest me. And then we have a long talk. Anyway. Yeah, literal ticket. Oh, I got a ticket. Yeah. And he basically, he was like, if you don't get your license switched to your current address, like in the next week, like there will be like a warrant for your arrest.
Jameela Jamil
Like hell you. I had no idea that driving in this country is this intense. I've never Driven.
Jesse Klein
Very intense.
Trey Crowder
Cops in this country are this intense.
Jameela Jamil
Right.
Jesse Klein
In my opinion, yes. And again, even to a white privilege dripping idiot, like he was just very out of sorts with me. And then even with the firmest of warnings about how just to tag on the story, even with the firmest of warnings about how like change your license to this state right away, it's still. I kind of procrastinated and I think.
Jameela Jamil
It'S a New York license.
Jesse Klein
I got it changed last year.
Jameela Jamil
Oh my God, I love it.
Jesse Klein
I'm throwing the dice. I don't know. I live a very like boring soccer mom life at this point.
Trey Crowder
I'm like, no, fight the power, push back.
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Jesse Klein
It feels there's a way to fight the power by just not going to the dmv. I guess that I'm fighting the power.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah.
Trey Crowder
Then I'm on the front lines, the resistance.
Jameela Jamil
Yes.
Jesse Klein
Risking kind of nothing. But.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah.
Jesse Klein
So that was my wrong turn.
Jameela Jamil
That's a big old wrong turn.
Jesse Klein
That was my rumble.
Trey Crowder
It's funny. It's like, that's a difference between like. So I don't know if you guys have ascertained or not, but I'm from really redneck part of the country. Not white. I'm white trash specifically. And that's like a big difference is like, well now, now rednecks got like thin blue line stickers on their big trucks and stuff. And like love the cops. But when I was a kid, rednecks and cops, like were.
Jesse Klein
Yeah. Dukes of Hazard.
Trey Crowder
Thank you.
Jameela Jamil
My favorite show.
Trey Crowder
Yeah. People have forgotten. Famously famous. Not just that smoking the Bandit, NASCAR got started. Literally was started by rednecks running from the law. Like running from the law is like a national pastime for my people. And I just. It literally is now a sport.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah.
Jesse Klein
Yeah.
Trey Crowder
And like, so I just. It's wild to me. Like it. The minute you see or hear a cop, it's like, oh, he's coming to with us or whatever. It's like what you like, I'm seeing a cop. Right. If I see a cop behind me, my first thought is like, here we go. Like, even if I haven't done anything, and then if it's a pleasant surprise if he continues on, you know, like, I default to this here to do, you know, try some shit or whatever.
Jesse Klein
I get it. I get the fear.
Jameela Jamil
I have no experience whatsoever with the police. Yeah. But it sounds fucking terrifying. I just don't do anything. I don't leave my house.
Jesse Klein
That's the only way to avoid it.
Jameela Jamil
Really is the only way. Well, yeah, Also now the police won't come, even if, like, there was like, all my alarms went off, my burglar alarms. And we. And, like, it was like several alarms went off. So first it was like the parameter had been interfered with. So it's like, okay, someone's on the property. And then it was like the front door. And then it's like, oh, glass. And we were like, holy shit, someone's actually in the house now. And all the alarms are going off. We get the call from the security company and they were like, the police are on their way. We sat there in that locked room for eight hours and no one showed up. This was like. Yeah, it was like, busy shooting people's guns.
Jesse Klein
Yeah, it was.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah, they were just busy chasing people who had turned their phone a fucking light.
Jesse Klein
I touched my.
Jameela Jamil
So, yeah. So I've. So even when I've tried to interact.
Jesse Klein
With the police, they're not interested. Not interested. They're not interested. Yeah.
Jameela Jamil
I can just go fuck myself.
Jesse Klein
Yeah.
Jameela Jamil
And eventually my boyfriend and I went out with a bejeweled baseball bat that someone had given me. So that if I, you know, if I die defending myself, I die fabulously. Yeah.
Trey Crowder
Depending on the jewels that infused powers to the weapon, I think, like, emerald gives it poison damage.
Jesse Klein
Scratchy. Yeah, scratchy hit.
Jameela Jamil
But it was. Yeah. Whoever had gotten in. I have the same shit that they have. They already have this shit. I just don't. I don't spend money on anything apart from food, so. Unless you raid my fridge.
Trey Crowder
Yeah.
Jameela Jamil
There was this crazy thing that happened to my English teacher when I was at school where she went to the local department store for a quick piss. And while she put her bag, you know, on the thing, on the hook to go to the toilet and umbrella hook came, like, from, I guess, like, around the door. No. And picked up the bag. And then, like, the bag was gone. So she runs. She runs out of there, like, still peeing down her legs, like, pulling her pants up. Runs out of the bathroom. It's crowded. It's like the Christmas holidays. She can't see anyone anywhere. You know, everyone. There's just. It's just chaos. And whoever's got a bag is clearly just, like, walking at a normal pace. So she just goes to the security department. She's like, listen, I'm a teacher. I had my A level grading in there. I have all these papers. And that was back before we had laptops, right? Yeah, we were all. It was our handwritten work paper. Yeah, exactly. It's properly our work. So she's like, I don't care about the money. I have no money. I'm an English teacher. She was like, but if you could just make sure that if the bag is dumped somewhere, you return it to me. I have a lot of work to mark. So they were like, fine, you know, we'll call you if anything turns up. So she makes her way home. Her neighbor lets her in downstairs. So then she gets a phone call late at night when the department store closes, and they say to her, listen, we found your bag. Your wallet is obviously gone, and there's nothing of value in here, but there are papers, and there's a Filofax and this, that, and the other. And they name all the contents of her bags. And so she was like, okay, great, I'm gonna come in tomorrow. She was like, I can't come in first thing in the morning because I'm working at school all day. I'll come in at the end of the day at 4pm they were like, fine. So the following day, she gets up, she goes to school, she makes her way through the day. She goes back to the department store. She goes to the security department again at the end of the the day. And they say to her, oh, we never found your bag. And she's like, no, you did. You called me last night. You read me all the contents of my bag. I'm really sorry, but we don't have any recollection. It's not anywhere on the system that we found your bag. So I don't know who called you. We've had a changeover of staff. When they come in for the night shift, we promise that we will phone you and get to the bottom of this. She's like, okay, she's confused. She goes home. And this time when she gets home and her neighbor lets her in, she opens the door and. And realizes all of her belongings are gone. And they've taken every single thing she owns and even emptied her fridge, which is psychotic. So basically, the people who'd stolen her bag had phoned her pretending to be the department store. And she'd remember there'd been, like, a big van outside her apartment. Like when she had walked past it on her way to work first thing in the morning, they were waiting, watching her leave, to then empty all of the contents of her home. But flattering. I mean, silver lining flattering. Nice. Even the stuff in the fridge, they want that. No one took shit from my houses.
Jesse Klein
I mean, can I tell you what's in my fridge right now is like mostly food that should have been thrown away a week ago. Well so if anyone wants to try it.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah, they're going to.
Jesse Klein
Luck.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah.
Jesse Klein
Oh my God, the umbrella.
Jameela Jamil
I know that does feel like a.
Trey Crowder
Very like British type thing.
Jameela Jamil
Very British. Yeah.
Trey Crowder
It's umbrella slips over there. Yeah.
Jameela Jamil
Yes, Sherlock Holmes. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Trey Crowder
Also the long con. It's like back then they put effort in that stuff. Now it's like scammers just text a random number. It's like this is totally the irs. Click this link or we're going to take your house.
Jameela Jamil
Hello, this is the irs. I am calling from Pennsylvania.
Trey Crowder
It's not as elaborate anymore.
Jesse Klein
I do falling for them though I.
Jameela Jamil
Do say, well we'll be right back after the break.
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Jameela Jamil
And we are back. Okay, Trey.
Trey Crowder
Yeah.
Jameela Jamil
You're up. Tell me your wrong turns.
Trey Crowder
Just. Yeah, just a particular humiliation. The type of thing that I will randomly pop into my head, I think for the rest of my life. Like so I said for redneck background. One of the only very few positive stereotypes about my people is that like we can be like handy, you know, you can like fix. You're like good in like an apocalypse scenario. Know how guns work. Your good shot. You know, you're good with tools all. I can't. And I can't do literally any of that. I don't know how to do none of it. And in my. I'm married and my wife does all the like house like handiwork around our house. Like we have a whole wall of tools in our garage and those are my wife's tools. I don't even know what the names of them are. So it's like. But my wife's dad, my father in law is like a man's man also from rural Tennessee who's like strong, silent type, hardly ever speaks and like spends all day looking.
Jameela Jamil
Kevin Costner.
Trey Crowder
Yeah. Yes. He spent all day looking for things to like fix. I think he might break things sometimes so he can just then.
Jameela Jamil
Oh yeah, like firefighters, you start fires.
Trey Crowder
He's got, yeah, he's got it. He's got to have something to fix it. It's like. But he can fix and build any. They could build a whole house, you know, foundation up. He do literally all of that and I can't do any of it. So one time we're at their house, my in laws house and I. So I have two sons at this time when this happens. My sons are probably eight, nine, something like that. And we show up at my in laws house and my father in law had bought them a like little drone, you know, like a little quadcopter drone thing. Fun, fun times, whatever. And we're out in the yard and he's like showing us how it works or whatever. And you know, I'm there. Eight nines Like I'm going to, I'm going to do it first, you know. Really? I was just like, give me that shit. I'm going first. Yeah, you guys go later. I get the toy first. But I was like, I was going to go first. And he was telling me, he's like, listen, try. So you have to stay X far away. If you get too far away from this thing, it will lose connection with the remote.
Jesse Klein
Sure.
Trey Crowder
And it'll just go right or whatever. It's like, so you got a steak. And I was like, yeah, like I got it under.
Jesse Klein
Don't condescend.
Trey Crowder
Yeah, right. We all get that. It's fine. I understand. It's not gonna be a problem. So I turn it on, whatever, push the button and it, as though it had been held captive in a cage and I had just opened the door. This thing shot off towards the horizon, I mean blindingly fast. So I'm now like without getting away from sprinting under it, holding, holding this out like because those extra couple feet will make the difference, you know, holding them out, running as fast as I can while I try to please don't let this happen. But it's just like not respond.
Jameela Jamil
Oh my God. Are the kids just devastated watching this?
Trey Crowder
Yeah, well, no, they're like laughing at me, you know, which, that's the only time they laugh at me. Even though I'm a comedian and everything. But that's, but anyway, just straight into the very top of this massive like oak tree. I mean I, I don't know tree shit either.
Jameela Jamil
That's another thing.
Trey Crowder
I'm not a real man.
Jesse Klein
I was picturing it, I was going oak.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah.
Trey Crowder
I, I have no idea what kind of tree that was.
Jameela Jamil
Well, how big is this tree?
Trey Crowder
Big ass tree. Give me like I'm not good with that either.
Jesse Klein
Probably a thousand, 20,000ft high.
Trey Crowder
1500Ft.
Jameela Jamil
I don't know.
Trey Crowder
I wanted to say 80, but even that might be insane. 50, 60ft for you. Very high. Very, very seemingly to me and it's in the very top of just crashes into it finally comes to a stop and I like, you know, mosey up to the bottom like, you know, like I cannot fucking believe this happened.
Jameela Jamil
And they're expensive and I hear, yeah.
Trey Crowder
And I hear my father in law like walk up behind me and I'm standing there looking at it like this and kind of like with the Tim Robbins thing or whatever earlier, I don't know why I said, but I was like, I was like, what do you think? Maybe try shoot it out. That's What I said like with what? How like I don't. I don't have a gun. What am I gonna do? Individually sever the branches with my like dead eye aim like I'll not. It's not gonna do anything. Even if I had to go like it'd just be like just popping off into the. Just randomly into the sky. Like a Saudi prince at a wedding reception or something. Just like you know, doing nothing. And then I turn around, I like turn out and he's like not there. And I turn back around and I can't find him. And then I hear something rustling and I look and he's already like 20ft under tree.
Jameela Jamil
And how this real man?
Trey Crowder
He's 65 years old for fuck's sake. He's climbing the tree like knife in his mouth, fucking cap turning around backwards, calling me a pussy. Every other branch with she gets up there physically retrieves it, brings it back down. It just like hands it to me and doesn't even say anything. And I was like, it's one of those things like again for I'll be 80 years old and I wake up to pee at 3am and get halfway down the hallway and just be like, you want to try and shoot it?
Jesse Klein
I did Bill Maher too.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah.
Jesse Klein
Your father in law.
Trey Crowder
Because it's like, you know, again he's like redneck dude, whatever. It's like guns mass manly shit. Shoot it. That's how that worked I guess in my head. But it was so as soon as I said I was like, that's and then insult injury him climbing up there while you got it. All right, cool.
Jesse Klein
Okay.
Trey Crowder
I hope so because I'm not coming up there.
Jameela Jamil
Can I say climb trees.
Jesse Klein
I want to rally in your support as someone I have. My son is nine and like people giving my kid gifts that I have to sort of technologically deal with. I'm like, fuck you. Like the things that he has gotten over the years where it's like a box with like 8,000 pieces or it's like a solar charge. Any of that. Yeah. I'm like fuck off.
Trey Crowder
Like right.
Jesse Klein
Can you just have like a skateboard or like a. I don't know. I'm with you on here. I think the drone by it definitely.
Trey Crowder
Was because the part I left out is that they my. My in laws love to go to what I call the like fell off the back of a truck store. There's all these like they're like discount store. I mean they're all over Tennessee. I don't even know if they have them in la. I feel like if they were common, my wife would go to them. Well, this drone came from one of those stores, so it was not like.
Jesse Klein
A high quality drone.
Trey Crowder
But he was flying it just fine though at the same time.
Jameela Jamil
What, the 65 year old?
Trey Crowder
Yeah.
Jameela Jamil
Did he do a really good job at also flying this brand when we got there?
Trey Crowder
Well, he had been messing with. It doesn't matter. I'm like he had time with it, he had time to practice, but it's like it doesn't help. None of that helps.
Jameela Jamil
But I find drones crazy.
Jesse Klein
I find them crazy.
Jameela Jamil
No, because like, you know, the paparazzi use them now to like descend into celebrities home. Really? Especially like if there's a woman there who might be, you know, too scared to sunbathe at the beach because she doesn't wanna be papped. They'll go and fly a drone into her garden and try and get a photograph of her in her swimsuit there. So a friend of mine who was married to like an AAA lister, he was sick of this shit and so he decided to become amazing at flying drones. And so he bought a bigger drone than their drone.
Trey Crowder
He had like dogs.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah. And they would have dog fights, like Top Gun in the middle the of. So he would fly his drone into their drones and obliterate. And because their drone is on his property, it's fine, it's legal. But then he got addicted to it. Then he became too good and he turned into maverick. And so then he started getting bigger and bigger, like ones like specially made for him that are now sort of like drone tanks. And he would not just take down the drone, he would then also send his drone after the paparazzi who were on bikes or in cars. And he would chase them away, like far away from his property, like a mile down the road. Absolutely incredible. Like headsets, goggles, everything where he's now, I mean, it's like he's a musician. He didn't put out like a record for like four years.
Jesse Klein
Just kind of down that drone, living that hashtag drone life. Yeah.
Jameela Jamil
So mad. Well, thank you for that story. And you know what, I appreciate your humility there. I. I still think you're a real man for whatever it's. Whatever it's. Yeah, exactly. And before you both go, you've both been such wonderful guests. I just want to share another wrong turn story from someone else. This will make us feel, you know, just generally less alone. We're a community of clusterfuckers. We call this part Misery Loves Company. The story is from the Florida sun post. A 65 year old millionaire was looking online for a marriage partner. He was twice divorced and estranged from his previous families. He'd also just won the lottery in Florida, so having a pretty good time on a site which specialized in pairing up older men with younger women. Classic. He met a 24 year old exotic dancer. Immediately he just felt a sense of comfort and familiarity. Like him, she was also estranged from her family. But despite immediately hitting it off and getting closer, the couple didn't go into much more detail about their family situations. They got engaged on New Year's Eve and they wed just a few months later. And after getting hitched, the couple decided to look through the groom's family photo albums. But that's when things got slightly awkward as the 24 year old recognized one of her groom's children as her father.
Trey Crowder
What?
Jameela Jamil
Once she recognized the photo, the bride connected the dots and realized she'd married her motherfucking grandfather.
Trey Crowder
Oh, actual Roll Tide.
Jameela Jamil
Yep.
Trey Crowder
That is.
Jesse Klein
Wow, wow, wow, wow.
Trey Crowder
So the assumption there has to be this is Florida exotic dancer, six something year old. But these are not Christians, right? Like hardcore Christians. It's Florida. They can still be Christians. They probably are Christians actually. But like she probably had sex with her grandpa is what I'm saying. They got all the way to the point of getting married.
Jesse Klein
She had sex with her grandpa?
Jameela Jamil
Yeah, like a lot of sex.
Jesse Klein
Grandpa.
Trey Crowder
For me the married part is like.
Jameela Jamil
You know what's amazing is that while this moment cause some despair for the couple, they do not intend to file for divorce.
Jesse Klein
What? Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool.
Trey Crowder
Is that even legal?
Jameela Jamil
To angry.
Trey Crowder
I'm serious. Is that illegal marriage?
Jameela Jamil
You got to hear her quote. She says she told the Florida Sun Post every couple's different.
Jesse Klein
You know what?
Jameela Jamil
Fight every couple different and special in their own ways. And I feel our bond is so strong that even something like this is not enough to make us give up something like this.
Trey Crowder
Wow. Pork in your papa should be a deal breaker.
Jesse Klein
Florida, man. Come on.
Trey Crowder
Even for Florida.
Jameela Jamil
Listen, anyone who's single out there just know love can be where you literally least expect it.
Trey Crowder
Places like Iceland and stuff. Because you know there's only like 200000 people in the whole island or something like that they have to do.
Jesse Klein
It's common to genetic testing.
Trey Crowder
Genetic testing to make sure you're not.
Jesse Klein
About to your grandpa.
Trey Crowder
But to then double down on it.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah.
Trey Crowder
Be like, you know what, we could work this.
Jesse Klein
Every couple's different.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah, every couple's.
Jesse Klein
And by the way. That's true.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah.
Jesse Klein
Can't. Yes. Yes. Correct.
Jameela Jamil
Hey, you know what? That's real. Yeah.
Jesse Klein
And you know what? That's real. And she did that. And she said that.
Jameela Jamil
It's a sleigh.
Jesse Klein
It's a sleigh. She came.
Jameela Jamil
It's an incest sleigh. Incest sleigh.
Jesse Klein
Wow.
Jameela Jamil
And on that note, before you go, please tell everyone where they can find you and where they can watch you, etc.
Trey Crowder
Trey Crowder T R A E Crowder on all the social media sites and trey crowder.com for all my tour dates. Perpetually on tour. And yes, my new special Trash Daddy is on YouTube now. So just use my name and you'll find me.
Jameela Jamil
He's excellent.
Jesse Klein
I am on Instagram at your acquaintance, Jesse Klein, and I have a new podcast with my dear friend Liz Feldman called Here to Make Friends that you can get wherever you get your podcasts. They come out on Fridays and it's basically a celebration of making new friends as an adult and how hard and rewarding that can be. So check her out.
Jameela Jamil
Yeah, check it all out. Thank you, guys.
Jesse Klein
Thank you.
Jameela Jamil
Wrong Turns was created and produced by me, Jameela Jamil and Stuart Bailey. And thank you to consulting producer Colin Anderson. You can email us a voice memo of your own Wrong Turns. All you have to do is email personal disasterstoriesmail.com youm can find full length videos of our episodes on YouTube. And don't forget to subscribe. Like review wherever you get your podcasts and tell your friends about us. And if you are also enjoying me as a person, I have a substack. It's called a low desk. Desire to please. That's enough of me. I'm gonna fuck off now. Bye.
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Date: January 15, 2026
Host: Jameela Jamil
Guests: Trae Crowder, Jessi Klein
This episode of Wrong Turns with Jameela Jamil is a hilarious, self-deprecating celebration of personal disasters and humiliations, featuring comedians Trae Crowder and Jessi Klein. In keeping with the podcast’s premise—reveling in life’s misfortunes with no attempt at extracting silver linings—Jameela and her guests exchange stories of everyday mishaps, celebrity awkwardness, literal wrong turns, and moments where dignity goes to die. The trio commiserate over their embarrassment magnets, with constant wisecracks and mutual support.
Discussion:
Jessi supports Trae: As a mom, she's exasperated whenever her child receives gifts she has to assemble or operate, empathizing with feeling out of depth with technology. (44:50)
Jameela tells a story of a friend who defends his property from paparazzi drones with his own “combat” drones—a “Top Gun dogfight” in her words. (46:42–47:33)
| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote | |-----------|--------------|------------------------------------------------------------| | 02:32 | Jameela | “The world is ending and we are the Titanic band playing.” | | 05:19 | Trae | “I stand, eat Girl Scout cookies in the dark, over the sink, alone for 10 minutes.” | | 08:36 | Jessi | “Cool, but like, what else?” (to Claire Danes) | | 14:24 | Jameela | “She starts like Robin Williams in Good Will Hunting: ‘It’s not your fault.’” | | 18:06 | Trae | “He goes, ‘Okay.’” (Tim Robbins, unimpressed) | | 26:55 | Jessi | “I've now led them on like a two mile police chase.” | | 32:26 | Jameela | “So that if I die defending myself, I die fabulously.” | | 41:24 | Trae | “As though it had been held captive in a cage and I had just opened the door, this thing shot off towards the horizon.” | | 43:53 | Trae | “He’s climbing the tree like knife in his mouth, fucking cap turned around backwards, calling me a pussy every other branch.” | | 50:14 | Trae | “Pork in your papa should be a deal breaker.” | | 51:10 | Jameela | “It’s an incest sleigh. Incest sleigh.” |
Trae Crowder:
Jessi Klein:
The tone is dry, wry, and relentlessly self-mocking. No story is too small or too dark to laugh about; embarrassment and failure are a shared human sport. As Jameela sums up, “We’re a community of clusterfuckers.” The episode is a perfect example of comedy as catharsis, with each guest's anecdote more ridiculous (and relatable) than the last.