We Made It Weird #205

Summary

Podcast Title: You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes
Episode: We Made It Weird #205
Release Date: February 7, 2025
Hosts: Pete Holmes and Valerie Tosi
Description: Exploring the depths of human emotions, relationships, and personal growth, Pete Holmes engages in candid conversations with Valerie Tosi, delving into topics ranging from anger management to the pursuit of happiness.

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Introduction and Personal Updates (00:00 - 06:09)

The episode kicks off with Pete Holmes welcoming Valerie Tosi for a special Friday bonus episode. They exchange lighthearted banter about missed connections and share personal anecdotes. Pete mentions meeting a fan complimenting Valerie’s voice, setting a warm and friendly tone for the conversation.

Notable Quote:
Valerie Tosi [00:16]: "What's happening, weirdos?"
Pete Holmes [00:18]: "What's happening, weirdos?"

Discussing Jerry Maguire and Masculine Energy (06:09 - 13:01)

Pete and Valerie delve into their thoughts on the classic film Jerry Maguire, analyzing its portrayal of masculine energy and romantic relationships. They critique the character Jerry Maguire for his flawed approach to relationships and business, highlighting the movie's iconic romantic moments juxtaposed with problematic behaviors.

Notable Quotes:
Pete Holmes [07:23]: "Guys, girls. In the traditional way. I'm not saying that's how it actually is, but I'm just saying in the breakdown, they were like, it's mostly a Tom Cruise trying to keep his business together."
Valerie Tosi [09:14]: "Valerie, I'm glad we stepped in this. It was. I thought it was a pile of leaves, but there's dog shit under it."

Analogies of Anger and Emotional Expression (13:01 - 22:46)

The conversation shifts to the nature of anger and emotional expression. Pete compares anger to farting—an inevitable and sometimes necessary release that can feel good in the moment but may lead to feelings of shame afterward. They discuss healthy ways to express anger, such as having supportive friends who can act as "anger surrogates," allowing for the release without lasting negative consequences.

Notable Quotes:
Pete Holmes [17:46]: "Picture, how you can give a break yourself and go like. And here we are in this weird oneness and it's okay."
Valerie Tosi [22:29]: "Yeah. That's why you're our rage."

Therapy and Internal Family Systems (22:46 - 39:16)

Pete shares insights from his therapy sessions, specifically focusing on Internal Family Systems (IFS). He describes interacting with different "parts" of himself, such as his "Achiever" and "Plainview" aspects, and how therapy helps him understand and integrate these facets. Valerie adds her experiences with intrusive thoughts and the importance of recognizing them as separate from one's true self.

Notable Quotes:
Pete Holmes [23:21]: "Internal family systems parts work. Therapy has been so amazing."
Valerie Tosi [55:07]: "fear clouds the truth. So, like, if there is fear, you can be like, I don't have to believe my thoughts..."

Oneness, Connectedness, and Universal Intelligence (39:16 - 63:21)

The duo explores philosophical concepts of oneness and connectedness. They discuss how recognizing the inherent connection between all living beings can foster compassion and understanding. Pete uses metaphors like being "a flashlight with nothing to shine the flashlight on" to illustrate the unity of consciousness, while Valerie emphasizes the importance of seeing beyond individual identities to appreciate the shared reality.

Notable Quotes:
Valerie Tosi [60:37]: "It's connected to the point where it's just one."
Pete Holmes [63:21]: "And oneness is a fun concept, but again, it's in the interest of remembering that you love and are with and share reality with everything."

Experiencing Stomp and Performance Arts (63:21 - 78:11)

To conclude the episode, Pete and Valerie discuss their experience attending a Stomp performance. They appreciate the creativity and physicality involved but also humorously critique the show's pacing and longevity. Their conversation highlights the blend of admiration and playful critique that characterizes their dynamic.

Notable Quotes:
Pete Holmes [66:11]: "We're what now? In a post TikTok generation, you're watching videos where a guy throws a ping pong ball into the ocean..."
Valerie Tosi [68:32]: "Yeah, exactly."

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Key Insights and Conclusions

1. Emotional Expression: Healthy expression of emotions, especially anger, is crucial for personal well-being. Having supportive relationships where one can safely express anger can prevent internalized negative feelings.

2. Therapeutic Growth: Engaging in therapies like Internal Family Systems allows individuals to understand and integrate different parts of themselves, fostering personal growth and emotional balance.

3. Philosophical Connectedness: Embracing the concept of oneness and the interconnectedness of all life can lead to greater compassion and reduce feelings of isolation.

4. Cultural Reflections: Analyzing media, such as Jerry Maguire and Stomp, provides insights into societal norms, gender roles, and the evolution of performance arts.

5. Personal Development: Recognizing and challenging intrusive thoughts and fears is essential for mental health, enabling individuals to align more closely with their true selves.

Final Thoughts

In this episode of We Made It Weird #205, Pete Holmes and Valerie Tosi navigate through deep emotional landscapes, philosophical musings, and cultural critiques with humor and honesty. Their conversation offers listeners a blend of introspection and lightheartedness, encouraging personal growth while celebrating the quirks that make each individual unique.

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Note: The timestamps provided are approximate and based on the transcript segments.

Transcript

[Pete Holmes]

You made it with. You made it with. You made it with. Oh, yeah. You made it with. Yes. You made it weird. You made it weird with Pete Holmes.

[Valerie Tosi]

What's happening, weirdos?

[Pete Holmes]

What's happening, weirdos?

[Valerie Tosi]

It's us.

[Pete Holmes]

It's us.

[Valerie Tosi]

It's us again.

[Pete Holmes]

It's the Friday bonus episode. I missed you last week, Val. I'm so glad we're doing one now.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And this was super fun. I know I always say that, but I really loved this one.

[Valerie Tosi]

I loved this one.

[Pete Holmes]

I love all of them. I met a fan this week in Utah that said you have a really pleasant voice.

[Valerie Tosi]

Moi?

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Valerie Tosi]

Wow. Thank you.

[Pete Holmes]

And I think they were a therapist. And. Yeah, I'm remembering. Yeah, I met a fan backstage. Oh, I'd be so clutch if I could remember their name.

[Valerie Tosi]

Well, it's not gonna happen. Move on.

[Pete Holmes]

Okay. Yeah, yeah, you're right. But they said you have a wonderful speaking voice and you're very wise. So I'm glad. I'm glad to have a dose of Val back. For those of you that don't know, on Wednesdays is the guest episode and on Fridays, the bonus episode. And we're so glad.

[Valerie Tosi]

Boner episode.

[Pete Holmes]

More like a boner episode. I'm like, the Washington Monument down there. And it's a warm day. Ooh, it gets small when it's cold.

[Valerie Tosi]

The monument, yeah, it was designed. Washington Monument.

[Pete Holmes]

The Washington Monument shrinks when it's cold.

[Valerie Tosi]

Oh, interesting.

[Pete Holmes]

And the Pentagon is the asshole. And it puckers. Okay, okay, we're here. We're glad you're here. I'm in Phoenix. If you're listening to this the day it comes out, please come out to phoenix peteholmes.com and we have more tour dates on my website. And the show is brought to you by things we actually use and actually love. They're called the Pete's Picks. If you want to support the show, please try one out. Katie, roll that beautiful bean footage.

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[Pete Holmes]

All right everybody, we're so glad you're here.

[Valerie Tosi]

Valerie, get into it.

[Pete Holmes]

Welcome to the show. I'm actually feeling pretty chill, so don't worry. It's not going to be. It's not. I'm not going to do what you all think I'm going to do and just freak Out. Flip out. Flip out. Do you know the ref?

[Valerie Tosi]

No.

[Pete Holmes]

Jerry Maguire. I'm not going to do what you all think I'm going to do and just flip out. It's a great.

[Valerie Tosi]

That's a really good moment.

[Pete Holmes]

Oh, I thought maybe. I thought maybe I accidentally did a great Tom Cruise impression.

[Valerie Tosi]

Oh.

[Pete Holmes]

Nope. I knew I didn't.

[Valerie Tosi]

No.

[Pete Holmes]

But every once in a while, like, accidentally sinking a pool ball and people think, every once in a while I'll just mess around and someone's like, that's an incredible Michael B. Jordan. Like, what?

[Valerie Tosi]

Don't try to do Michael B. Jordan.

[Pete Holmes]

What? No.

[Valerie Tosi]

You know, Jerry Mc. Jerry McGuire. I don't know why I said it that way.

[Pete Holmes]

Great move.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah. I would like to rewatch it because I bet I would like it more now because I think I watched it as a teenager, really hoping it was going to be a little more you complete me and a little less about football.

[Pete Holmes]

No, that movie is a 70. 30.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Guys, girls. In the traditional way. I'm not saying that's how it actually is, but I'm just saying in the breakdown, they were like, it's mostly a. Tom Cruise is trying to, like, keep his business together.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yes.

[Pete Holmes]

And his business is being a sports agent.

[Valerie Tosi]

Right, Exactly. It's such masculine energy.

[Pete Holmes]

Yes.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah. But I. But that's what's weird, is that the romantic moments are iconic. Like, that's what's iconic about those movies.

[Pete Holmes]

Well, I would say, show me the money. Show me the money is the same value.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

In the crypto market, as you complete me.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah. That's.

[Pete Holmes]

You complete me. Might even, like. You can't say, you complete me. If you're dating a guy and he proposes and he says, you complete me, it's like, that's done. But I could still say, show me the money.

[Valerie Tosi]

Could you? No, you couldn't. No.

[Pete Holmes]

But that's the way that argument would go, so I had to finish it.

[Valerie Tosi]

Could you say you had me at hello? No.

[Pete Holmes]

I remember the VHS moment when I saw you had me at hello? Because you really think maybe she's not going to take him back? And in fact, sorry, we're going to. This is not a Jerry Maguire rewatch podcast. But she shouldn't take him back. Really.

[Valerie Tosi]

No.

[Pete Holmes]

That's what makes that movie kind of, I would say, elevates it to an artistic level.

[Valerie Tosi]

Right.

[Pete Holmes]

And what makes it resonate is that Jerry Maguire is a terrible partner for this woman.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And he did shoplift the pootie. He fell in love with her kid.

[Valerie Tosi]

Right.

[Pete Holmes]

Which is what Kuba Gooding says. He says a real man wouldn't shoplift the pootie. And he goes, I did not shoplift the pootie.

[Valerie Tosi]

Is the pooty.

[Pete Holmes]

The kid, actually.

[Valerie Tosi]

And this is known.

[Pete Holmes]

Valerie, I'm glad we stepped in this. It was. I thought it was a pile of leaves, but there's dog shit under it.

[Valerie Tosi]

There's pooty.

[Pete Holmes]

There's pooty under those leaves. I'm just saying, like, most grown up dog shit steps are because of leaves.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

So for all the good parts.

[Valerie Tosi]

90% of the.

[Pete Holmes]

90%. 90% dog steps.

[Valerie Tosi]

Your statistics.

[Pete Holmes]

This is where you get them.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Leela stepped in some ds. Nintendo ds, yeah. Yesterday at the park. And you forget what a plague it is. Oh, you smell it? Sorry, two things. One, you smell it everywhere. Two, all dog smells the same. What's going on?

[Valerie Tosi]

Well, most dog food is similar.

[Pete Holmes]

Disagree.

[Valerie Tosi]

Really?

[Pete Holmes]

Salmon and pee is. What?

[Valerie Tosi]

No, I know, but. But sometimes we've gotten like the salmon and sweet potato. It's the same.

[Pete Holmes]

Well, that's. I'll give you. Well, that's just the side dish. The entree is the same, but then there's chicken. Some dogs are eating lamb. It still goes through and comes out.

[Valerie Tosi]

The way it's processed is so similar. I don't want to talk about this anymore.

[Pete Holmes]

I love.

[Valerie Tosi]

I can't have this argument.

[Pete Holmes]

I love. I love your honesty here. So 90%. This is a sweet riff area. Grownups not don't step in dog shit unless they're running, which is great.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

They kind of slip in it. When you see like a thin.

[Valerie Tosi]

Right.

[Pete Holmes]

Like a thin jogger with the slit up the side on his shorts.

[Valerie Tosi]

Right.

[Pete Holmes]

His legs are very thin, very hairy, and he's bearded. And he looks like he wants you to think that he's chill, but you know, he's not. Like.

[Valerie Tosi]

Well, if he's a runner.

[Pete Holmes]

Exactly. He's definitely not. No one is running.

[Valerie Tosi]

No.

[Pete Holmes]

Unless they are flying ready to kill everybody.

[Valerie Tosi]

That's right.

[Pete Holmes]

It's what we call James Taylor face. He looks like he just wants to party in a log cabin with a guitar, but really he wants you to break into his house because he has like some fucking crossbow with night vision goggles. He can't wait to take you down and then write a song about pumpkins and a three leaf clover can be lucky too and all that bullshit. But he's. He's demon.

[Valerie Tosi]

So wait, is James three leaf clover? Because this is like back to James Taylor.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, this is James Taylor. I'm just saying. That dude skidding on some wet fresh. Yeah, like, on the heel, too. And he kind of slides like he's.

[Valerie Tosi]

Wearing Heelys love to see it, but.

[Pete Holmes]

It'S like a dog shit Healy. And it wasn't under leaves. That makes it less funny. It has to be. We see it. In fact, the way we shoot it is we. We start on the. The light brown. You know, it was light brown and kind of glistening dog shit. And it fans up, and we see this guy who's ready to fucking snap. But he's trying, right? And then he. Healey dog shits and slides a good three feet.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah. What is that guy doing? Is he just running as if it didn't happen? Is the vulnerability too much?

[Pete Holmes]

Oh, does he just keep going?

[Unknown]

Yes, absolutely.

[Pete Holmes]

He. I think he stops and acknowledges it, and he says, God damn it. God damn it is the official most angry. Yeah, maybe, motherfucker. But I think God damn it is up there.

[Valerie Tosi]

I think also God damn it is sort of the. Like the. The fiery. It's fiery exclamation of this type of man.

[Pete Holmes]

I. And using it in, like, a sentence, like, you're God damn. Like, yeah, curb your goddamn. Like, that is. That's top tier. It's, like, way worse than fudgeing. Motherfucking right. It can only be trumped by cock sucking, which is weird.

[Valerie Tosi]

Cocksuck.

[Pete Holmes]

That's like, even he would know he went too far. Yeah, curb your cock sucking dog is.

[Valerie Tosi]

Like, no, that is too much.

[Pete Holmes]

That's the last thing you learn in D, if you're learning English, is when to say cock sucking. Because it's almost never.

[Valerie Tosi]

And. And most native English speakers are still learning that.

[Pete Holmes]

That's right. Yeah. Yeah. They dabble. They dabble, and it's almost always wrong, which means you see a lot of people in, like, the throes of a deeply intense argument, and there's just a flutter in their eye like, I shouldn't have said cock sucking. It wasn't right.

[Valerie Tosi]

I don't think. I. I've never said it.

[Pete Holmes]

Tox.

[Valerie Tosi]

No, never.

[Pete Holmes]

Sucker in Boston is.

[Valerie Tosi]

Well, that's just because they know about their accent. That makes me think they are aware of their accent.

[Pete Holmes]

I'm gonna say Boston is more aware of their accent than any other place.

[Valerie Tosi]

Because, like, my. My Southern aunt. My Aunt Anna famously, in our family, said once to us, I sound like y'all to me.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, we've talked about I sound like y'all to me on this pod before.

[Valerie Tosi]

Okay, so she definitely doesn' it.

[Pete Holmes]

Nobody in Boston is like, I'm aware.

[Valerie Tosi]

I'm aware.

[Pete Holmes]

Sucker. You sucker. Said the cork. Sucker. It's like something you'd call a sommelier.

[Valerie Tosi]

Cork sorcerer.

[Pete Holmes]

Sommelier. Sommelier.

[Valerie Tosi]

Sommelier.

[Pete Holmes]

Prefix. It is. Prefix.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah. What. What else would it be?

[Pete Holmes]

It was pre fee for a while.

[Valerie Tosi]

Oh, pre fee.

[Pete Holmes]

I'll have the pre fee menu.

[Valerie Tosi]

Well, yeah, I mean, you take one look at how to hors d'oeuvres is spelled and you're not trusting anything on that menu.

[Pete Holmes]

Thank you.

[Valerie Tosi]

100%.

[Pete Holmes]

Hors d'oeuvres is too close to horse. Yeah, Horse durer. Which sounds like a horse bath. Now I'm thinking of a giant metal tub and a horse. Isn't it? I'm not hungry anymore.

[Valerie Tosi]

Thanks a lot.

[Pete Holmes]

So God damn it. Is the official angry dad non chill jogging guy.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

They're always so skinny.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah, they're. They're pitta in ayurvedic.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, they're pitta.

[Valerie Tosi]

They're all fire.

[Pete Holmes]

They're all fire. And they're running and they're trying to.

[Valerie Tosi]

Get shit done and they have too much testosterone and they're trying to, you know.

[Pete Holmes]

And God love them.

[Valerie Tosi]

Oh, yeah. I mean, honestly, I think it would feel amazing to be that type of person. I love just like a pitta person. Like a fire. Like somebody whose first reaction is fight instead of flight. Fight, freeze or fawn.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, those are. Those people are really hard for me. My people that want to dig in on everything.

[Valerie Tosi]

Well, no, not. Not necessarily that. That extreme. But like, I would say you. You. You have a little more fight. Let me just do. If I'm uncomfortable when you react that way, like when you're dysregulated and you're sort of reacting with. By being angry, I will be envious of that. Like, I'll think that. That sounds nice.

[Pete Holmes]

That sounds nice. That's a bit of mine that hasn't been released yet. Yes. Okay. It's funny. Yeah. When we were talking about. Well, did we talk about this on the pod? One of our friends that was staying with us wanted to go back to la. This was while the fires were still raging and not contained. And she was like, I'm just gonna go back, put an air purifier in the apartment, and then I'm gonna drive back. And I was like, you didn't know how to tell her? Like that just doesn't sound right. But she was like, kind of. And I understand people want to go to their homes, but like, I. I am useful in the, like, kind of a light roasting of like, you're gonna go turn on like a. Like, my feeling is like, that's not gonna make that much of a difference. Maybe just wait it out. Wait for the fire department to get their hands around this thing before you start driving back to plug in an air purifier. I don't know.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah, it's.

[Pete Holmes]

Maybe. Maybe it was her, I think, but she ended up staying.

[Valerie Tosi]

She did.

[Pete Holmes]

And plugged it in later.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah. That's like a good use of that. Of that fire. But also, like, I actually am interested in what you would say to this. Like, when you feel angry, like, if you feel like you've been wronged and you're dysregulated and you get angry, does that feel bad to you while you're angry?

[Pete Holmes]

No. That's a great question. It feels a fantastic question.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah, isn't it?

[Pete Holmes]

Well, that's why we kind of look down on angry people. Like, if someone's in a sushi restaurant and they're like, motherfuck, the eel is supposed to be cocked. And they're like, spazzing.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

You're not supposed to, but they're really going for it.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah. Yeah. Right, right.

[Pete Holmes]

It's a little bit like farting. It's like this guy couldn't hold it in. And it feels good to let it out.

[Valerie Tosi]

Right. 100%.

[Pete Holmes]

Wow. I didn't realize how good farting was for that analogy. It is. It is kind of rude.

[Valerie Tosi]

Right?

[Pete Holmes]

We all. It's the emotion that's most like a fart.

[Valerie Tosi]

That's right. Because everyone else is going. We're all holding it in and quietly suffering. You're making the rest of us suffer. You're the whoopee cushion and you get to feel good.

[Pete Holmes]

And then even the repair is nice. I think there is some shame, though.

[Valerie Tosi]

Like, There is shame.

[Pete Holmes]

I think I had a meeting yesterday. Here's what's not spoken too much about. And it's a different energy, but confidence or like just sort of. I don't know, it's not quite cockiness, but like, you're. You're really lit up.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

I had a meeting and I went into this meeting and it was about a script. And like, I was like. I had just read it and Pete is never better than if you give him the thing that we're gonna be talking about right before the thing.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

This is why I look at my stand up notes right before I do stand up. The last thing I looked at is how I am.

[Valerie Tosi]

Right. That's so true. I mean, I think that's a Little bit true about everyone, but it's mostly true for me. Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Which is why I can get in horrible moods.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And it's why I'm extra sensitive to things like the news. And like, I'm not saying, I don't know, a general sense of what's going on, but if you flood me, like, if I just had the news on.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah. That's all that would exist.

[Pete Holmes]

That's all that would exist to me.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

I'm not sure. That's not true for a lot of people, even in a way that they might not know.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And you get that becomes very comfortable. Or if I'm preoccupied with something else that's stressing me out, that's not like a global or national issue, that, that'll be my reality. Anyway, so I went into this meeting having just read the script and like, you're going to see why I brought this up. I'm simultaneously being like the shiniest, funniest, most intelligent version of myself. And as soon as I get off the meeting, I go, oh, no. Like, I was so much similar to anger. Like, it feels good. And I was inbound. Like, if you had seen this meeting, you wouldn't have been like, what a dick. At all. But like, there's this thing and it feels good. And I think that's similar to anger. While you're doing it, it feels good. And then almost immediately, immediately afterwards you're just like, yeah. It's like they're eating. Like you and I have a hard time going, don't eat all that pizza. You'll sleep terrible and you'll feel like shit.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And we're like, shut up. That's our rage.

[Valerie Tosi]

Right?

[Pete Holmes]

That's how we deal. And that's also how we deal with unbearable feelings.

[Valerie Tosi]

I know. What is the answer?

[Pete Holmes]

Because is it jogging?

[Valerie Tosi]

Is it jogging? Is it getting it out through jogging? Because I do think there's something so healthy about like my sister in law, for example, is one of these people. Like, she will feel what she's feeling in real time. She'll let it all out. And like that seems incredibly healthy because she's not like storing and suppressing. And like, you know, there's. You can trust that, like how she is feeling. If she seems fine. She is fine. Because if she wasn't, you wouldn't hear about it.

[Pete Holmes]

Right? That's right.

[Valerie Tosi]

And that, and that seems so healthy. And that's like what Leela is.

[Pete Holmes]

That's right. And we love that. And my parents, both my parents were people that you'd Kind of have to be like, how are. What's going on? Like, you wonder what the silence meant.

[Valerie Tosi]

Totally.

[Pete Holmes]

And I'll give you a hint. It never meant equanimity.

[Valerie Tosi]

It never meant, I'm okay.

[Pete Holmes]

It never meant, like, just enjoying the moment.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah. And you're just wondering when the volcano is gonna burst. And, you know, and so, like, I do think it's healthy to express anger in that way.

[Pete Holmes]

And then she's also fun because we've talked about Beth before. She'll get mad for you.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yes.

[Pete Holmes]

You can kind of hire someone to.

[Valerie Tosi]

Be mad for you.

[Pete Holmes]

And that's the second best.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

If you can get mad like a Japanese rage room where you break plates and stuff. If you can do that with no guilt, which is why a rage room is private.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And there's definitely a rage room scandal coming where it's like, this guy put his dick on the plates.

[Valerie Tosi]

What are.

[Pete Holmes]

You know, like, there's a secret camera. If you can get out clean, which I do with you. I get angry with you. Not with you, but I'll be with you and let out anger.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

That's a wonderful thing to know that you have someone safe that can hold your anger.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

That's number one. But number two is a good friend that will just be like, no, I know. That's fucking bullshit, dude.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah, totally.

[Pete Holmes]

And they'll even go too far. And you know they're going too far, but then you just start laughing.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah. 100%.

[Pete Holmes]

Great. It's an anger surrogate.

[Valerie Tosi]

It really feels good. And it feels good, too. I've been trying to do this more. I can do this very easily for my friends, but it's harder for me. But, like, I'll have friends who are getting angry about something, and then they'll sort of do the qualifier where they're like. I mean, I know that, like, they were just trying to do that or whatever. And I'll be like, yeah, we can assume that there is a broader perspective of this, but let's just, like, give voice to just the angry part right now and allow that to just be fully heard.

[Pete Holmes]

I think that's, you know, in therapy, I've been, as I've been very vocal about, because it's really changing my life. But internal family systems parts work. Therapy has been so amazing. And one of the things when you're talking to an aspect of yourself called apart, you don't. You just let them express themselves. For me, it's often like, and I will die. Like, it's like they're. They're telling me, like, if I don't achieve and. Oh, that can I. Sorry, I'm gonna finish this up, but there's something I really wanted to talk about.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

That I just remembered. If I don't achieve, I will die, I will be eaten alive and all this sort of stuff. And you don't. In learning how to deal with yourself, you're actually getting a refresher on how to deal with everybody, which is like, you just respect them, you thank them, you give them space, you're gentle with them. You're very clear. I said to one of my parts this week, I go, I come in peace. Like, literally, like, my hands are up. I'm just coming in. We're going to open with. Thank you. We were talking to my Plainview, which we hadn't talked to in a while, but my Plain view. The problem with my achieving your plain view is the achiever, Daniel Plainview from There Will Be Blood.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

So the reason why I love that movie so much is it's such a clear picture of what a very scared, very angry and actually, I think, very tender and damaged, meaning hurt person who doesn't think people are safe. And all he wants to do is make enough money so he can literally die in a mansion, like a dark mansion, being alone. And it's not what he wants. It's not what makes him happy. And not only does he want to achieve, but he wants to destroy others. And that's what brought me to the thing that I was excited to talk about. Because I'm like, oh, this could be a stand up bit, but I don't think so. I want my next hour to be, I don't know, just a little bit sillier, a little bit lighter. So I'm moving away from some of the heavier topics. And this would be one of those heavier topics where it's like, I think it's very significant that we have life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And it's the pursuit of happiness. And I'm like, americans don't want to be happy. That's insane. We do not want to be happy. Hear me out. A happy person is like some guy in a V neck T shirt in the south of France smoking a cigarette on a Tuesday, sitting at a cafe, nursing an espresso for four hours. We have a word for that. It's a loser. It's. I'm not. I'm joking, by the way.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah, I know.

[Pete Holmes]

I don't think that's true.

[Valerie Tosi]

Right.

[Pete Holmes]

But we could. What we want now putting to One side. We were just talking about how when you're getting angry, you have to put to side subtlety. I know there are some people that are actually pursuing happiness for sure. But a lot of us, and I think you can see this in the media and you can see this in the nation at large. It's like, we want to pursue happiness. We want it to be the next thing.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And the next thing. And we want to chase it until we drop dead. And really what. And this is where it might get into. My plain view aspect is I'm like, what we really want is to crush those we hate. We want to humiliate. We want to be doing better. It's not that we want to be doing well. We want to be doing better than somebody. Does this make sense?

[Valerie Tosi]

Totally. I'm just. I would just add to it. I think it is like the. It's sort of the capitalist plot. Like it is the capitalist plot. That's what they have sold us, is we. I. So I. I wonder how specifically Western this is.

[Pete Holmes]

I think it. I don't know either. But.

[Valerie Tosi]

And I think you're totally right.

[Pete Holmes]

Like there's some island off of Japan where everyone lives to 150.

[Valerie Tosi]

Okinawa.

[Pete Holmes]

Okinawa. And there's a. There's an island off of Greece where everyone lives to 150. And all they do is sing and eat vegetarian food and pray and they actually are deeply happy. And no one's doing that.

[Valerie Tosi]

Well, that's what we're just like.

[Pete Holmes]

But who are you squashing?

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah. But I think that's it. Because it is capitalism depends completely on people wanting to be happy. Thinking that first of all, thinking that like happy all the time is even possible. But you need to have this thing and then this thing and then this thing and this thing. So you're right. Like it sells. The pursuit. That's so smart. Like the, the key word there is the pursuit of happiness and it is.

[Pete Holmes]

Capitalist because when you get something you want, you are briefly happy.

[Valerie Tosi]

Exactly.

[Pete Holmes]

And then it's like, well then let's just keep getting more and more and more.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah. So it needs you to always be pursuing happiness so that you're always buying and buying and climbing and climbing.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Valerie Tosi]

And then the crushing makes sense too because it is sort of this like merit. Like I'm using air quotes, but like meritocracy, which it isn't. We were just talking about how the hardest jobs are the ones that often pay the.

[Pete Holmes]

I was stoned and I was like, isn't it crazy? The worst jobs pay the Worst.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And the best jobs pay the most. Look, I know. That's so obvious.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

But if you go to work in flip flops and you're the CEO of. I'm picking Patagonia because I think that person lives around here. It's a great job. I'm not making fun of it. I'm just saying, like. Like it's pretty chill. No one's gonna fire you.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

You're just kind of like looking at vests and okaying things. Taking a week off. You're making tons and tons of bread. And then the guy whose job it is. Like I always go to slaughterhouse worker. Or the classic stand up comedy example is the person whose job it is to jerk off pigs. Because they get too ornery. Oinkery. They get too oinkre if they're. If they're not. So you're jerking off pigs. And like, I.

[Valerie Tosi]

A real job.

[Pete Holmes]

That's a real job.

[Valerie Tosi]

Wow.

[Pete Holmes]

I think it might not be to make them not oinky. I think it's to make more pigs. But somebody is manually jerking off pigs.

[Valerie Tosi]

Whoa.

[Pete Holmes]

And. Or at least that used to be a job. I don't know. Maybe they have some sort of fleshlight now for the pigs. I'm gonna have to Google this, but I'm gonna put it into a video search because that's because we need to.

[Valerie Tosi]

See exactly how it.

[Pete Holmes]

No, I'm gonna put it in shopping. I'm gonna click the tab shopping to see if anything comes up.

[Valerie Tosi]

Oh, my God.

[Pete Holmes]

It's the most basic stoner lava lamp. Thought. If you're. And this isn't me being anti meat. I'm just saying if you kill chickens all day, you should make a hundred million dollars. They make a hundred million dollars selling chickens.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah, exactly. Is a huge easier thing.

[Pete Holmes]

Huge thing. And the guy that draws a cartoon. Excuse me. A cartoon chicken. And says purdue. It's the right thing to. Purdue makes more money than the guy that's covered in blood and feathers on a kilt floor. And again, I'm not disrespecting that job. I'm saying that's a really hard job.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah. And I think the, like, original idea behind it is that you're supposed to start at the slaughterhouse and then you don't. There's motivation to not want to stay there. So you climb up and up and up.

[Pete Holmes]

Right.

[Valerie Tosi]

But it just doesn't work that way.

[Pete Holmes]

I don't. I don't know. I don't know if There are any CEOs that are like, to Think we all were in the kill floor.

[Valerie Tosi]

I know, I know.

[Pete Holmes]

They were in the mail room. That's the cliche. But then again, this is very basic, like philosophy 101. But, like, the guy that's the CEO, what you don't know is he wants to stay the CEO.

[Valerie Tosi]

Oh, yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And he actually, you know, if he were to give it away, that. That, like, trope I feel like existed. I could be wrong more in the 70s of like, the old man who owns the company who doesn't give it to his shitty son, but gives it to the hard working. Often in like an immigrant, you know, like giving someone a chance.

[Valerie Tosi]

Right.

[Pete Holmes]

Because he understood what that felt like. But now we're like nine generations into, like, cozy gets cozy. Like Nepo babies.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And it's like. So they're just gonna keep. Keep doing that 100. But am I right that it used to be a thing? Like, I feel like in this, like, I'm thinking of people I know that would want to be rascals in that way that are like. And I leave the company.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

To Manuel.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah. Eat.

[Pete Holmes]

Manuel was here every morning while you were out playing squash. And Manuel's just like, I'm sorry. And then Manuel rocks it. But then does Manuel give it to his kids? Like, when does it. But you know.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah. When does it start?

[Pete Holmes]

It's like White Lotus. Nobody. Nobody seeds their privilege.

[Valerie Tosi]

Right.

[Pete Holmes]

That idea.

[Valerie Tosi]

Oh, yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Remember that?

[Valerie Tosi]

Yes. That. That scene is. So I've been wanting to re.

[Pete Holmes]

Watch White light.

[Valerie Tosi]

What are you doing?

[Pete Holmes]

This isn't right.

[Valerie Tosi]

Well, it just.

[Pete Holmes]

It's also how I do a helicopter. That was a good helicopter.

[Valerie Tosi]

That was a good helicopter I was doing.

[Pete Holmes]

It's in the distance, though.

[Valerie Tosi]

Let me hear it. Yeah, it's in the distance, though. It is in the distance. You can do anything that's like, very far away.

[Pete Holmes]

This is my impression of it's a cyber truck, which is a very specific tone. But it's very far away. That is. That is a pretty good cut of cake. You know when you're cutting a cake and there's some pieces that are better, especially if it's like a square cake.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

You want a borderless middle piece.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yep. Now try your Jerry Maguire. But far away.

[Pete Holmes]

Oh, yeah. Now I'm gonna do what you all think I'm gonna do and just flip out. Oh, I lost my headphones. A nuts. A nuts and nards. All right, well, we're at the mid.

[Valerie Tosi]

Let's do it.

[Pete Holmes]

We'll go to the mid. Nuts and nards. Any way to Tease. We talked about the pursuit of happiness. I did want to talk about. God, what a horrible mood I was in yesterday.

[Valerie Tosi]

Oh, yeah. And then the day before, I was in a bad mood. It was the longest lasting bad mood I've had in a long time.

[Pete Holmes]

Really?

[Valerie Tosi]

I was in a bad mood all day.

[Pete Holmes]

To your cred. Sometimes I feel bad that I don't notice that you're in a bad mood. But, like, you're also. You're holding in a big fart all day and you gotta let it out.

[Valerie Tosi]

See, this is why anger sounds nice to me, because I'm not showing it.

[Pete Holmes]

But the angry guy, the bearded James Taylor jogger face, is he living longer? I mean, he explodes eventually. The only way out for that guy is like, changes in attitudes, changes in latitudes. He's got to move to a coastal area. Like, there are some people that just. It's like the only prescription is you have to live in Hawaii.

[Valerie Tosi]

Right.

[Pete Holmes]

But certain levels of tension, I don't.

[Valerie Tosi]

Think it works because then I. I think they have. Those types of. People have to be kind of like workaholics. They have to be.

[Pete Holmes]

He should be in New York and he should just scream and yell and. And love it every day.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

There should be some guy who owns a bodega, and he's playing loud music all day and he screams at him. Then he goes in his apartment, closes the door, and close on his face, just the smallest little smile. We cut to black. He found his home. He loves it. Oh, and I'm sorry, we need to check in with the bodega guy who's secretly in love with him.

[Valerie Tosi]

That was a twist.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah. Yeah, he's in love with him.

[Valerie Tosi]

Oh, that's cute. I watched that.

[Pete Holmes]

Well, he had a very quiet, a taciturn father. And so there's something very appealing, like.

[Valerie Tosi]

Protective about a daddy like that.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, daddy, totally. That's just like. Imagine someone who stands up for themselves.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And when he turns the radio on, sometimes he has it what he thinks is too loud, and the guy doesn't come, he turns it up. It's like the bat signal for his dog. He wants him.

[Valerie Tosi]

He wants him to come yell at him.

[Pete Holmes]

Then one day he's in the hospital and he doesn't come and it's close on the radio and, you know, it's playing like. Like that. Yeah, that rhythm that showed up in like 2003 and then like, never left.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah, like.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, that's good. And what is that one? That's like, oh, I'm not going to Be able to think of it. It's like in the Fast and the Furious. They love it. I don't know who I mean by they, but there's like a whole group that can't get enough of, like, oh, I'm going to look it up.

[Valerie Tosi]

I want to know. I love that beat, by the way.

[Pete Holmes]

Furious. Act a fool. No. See you again. No. Is it see you again?

[Valerie Tosi]

I don't know.

[Pete Holmes]

I think it is see you again with Wiz Khalifa.

[Unknown]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Valerie Tosi]

Okay. What? I know this song, but.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, they love that.

[Valerie Tosi]

Where's the beat?

[Pete Holmes]

Oh, okay. I don't know if this has that. I can't listen to that. I feel like I'm in the Takis aisle. Like, I'm looking at Takis.

[Valerie Tosi]

What's Tucky?

[Pete Holmes]

If you got that rep, It's a very New York bodega. Like, Takis is like a. An extreme. It's like a Dorito for someone who.

[Valerie Tosi]

Needs to wake up a little bit.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, it's a Dorito for someone who's, like, feeling fatigued.

[Valerie Tosi]

Oh, my God. Remember the summer that we were in New York? I think it was the third season of crashing, and I was super pregnant. And we both had songs that summer that we hated that every bodega, every.

[Pete Holmes]

Grocery store was playing in. And what was mine?

[Valerie Tosi]

Yours was. I can remember yours, but I can't remember mine. Yours was Havana Unana. Oh, Havana Manana.

[Pete Holmes]

That's. And I would hear that rhythm everywhere, and I would think of Havana Mamana.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah. And I had one that was basically the same, but just slightly different that I hated.

[Pete Holmes]

Well, I, I. I'd like to think. I don't. But I do need earbuds. Like, sometimes I do these YouTubes where it's like, celebrities tell you the five things that they need.

[Valerie Tosi]

Oh, yeah. All of mine are like.

[Pete Holmes]

Mine are like, I need my hat. And that's to block out my periphery on an airplane because for some reason, no matter what my neighbor is doing infuriates me.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

They could be praying for me. They could be sewing me a sweater, knitting me as me, and I have to not look at them. I just don't like how close they are. Blah, blah. It's. It's earbuds to. And when I went to the grocery store yesterday, they're just playing pop music, and I'm like, this is. This will be the rest of my life if I listen to this song.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah. So I. I know. I was hesitant to even sing it for the reference of this.

[Pete Holmes]

No, I don't know that song well enough for it to relatch.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Like a baby.

[Valerie Tosi]

But there's something specifically about being in New York where your brain already feels completely full.

[Pete Holmes]

Yes.

[Valerie Tosi]

And that. So you're just like, I can't actually have a song in my head right now because I'm so anxious. It will OCD style loop it for days and days and days I'm dead.

[Pete Holmes]

That's what we're gonna talk about when we come back. And because you just really awakened in me a primal urge. We'll be right back.

[Unknown]

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[Pete Holmes]

Would you just wipe it with some.

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[Pete Holmes]

I'm like, I'm gonna eat more veggies and hike.

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[Pete Holmes]

Okay, so what I wanted to say was Leela got a furby.

[Valerie Tosi]

A furbet.

[Pete Holmes]

A furbet which is a small furby. And I didn't know, but furbies were designed by people who have no trauma, no sound sensitivity. They grew up, I'm guessing in Sweden. They were barefoot in like white linen shirts. There were clotheslines. There was a lot of like shuttlecocking, but no net. They're just kind of playing catch with the shuttlecock and very long thin rackets. And it's amazing. And they're so happy and there's fresh lemonade everywhere. And then one of those fucking golden toed children made the furby because they were like, obviously no one would be bothered by this.

[Valerie Tosi]

We like a little thrill.

[Pete Holmes]

What if that was a thrilling toy? Something that was like, wouldn't that be funny? And of course the child will turn it off when it's clear that everyone's hard enough and needs a break. I typed in how to turn. No. I wish I was gonna lie, but let's just say if you google for bets.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

One of the top results is how to turn off a fur bet. Because it's nuts and it's a secret button. You hide the button. The furby is almost as if alive, like another family member. Like, remember when you had another baby and I raised it all myself because I'm just so happy and well adjusted. And I'm always cutting butter, cutting it and serving the butter.

[Valerie Tosi]

It's always smooth, never too hot. Butter and sweet.

[Pete Holmes]

The butter is kind of sweet, almost like a candy.

[Valerie Tosi]

It's a butter candy. But we only have let ourselves have 1/2 inch every day.

[Pete Holmes]

1/2 inch. Totally enough. On my birthday, I have half a stick.

[Valerie Tosi]

And I mean rest of day. Eat celery.

[Pete Holmes]

Eat celery's too full. I'm too full. I'm too satiated. I'm. All of my needs are met. Turn the fur bat on. Now we're jazzing. They have some verb we don't have. Now we're jazzing. Anyway, it sucks. And when I. So I did therapy, and as much as I love therapy, sometimes it does bring things up. I'm talking about my plain view. And instead of talking about it, which I'm very comfortable with, she was just pushing me to. You're gonna love this. A somatic experience. She was like, I don't know what it is. I don't know who it is, but I'm feeling it in my throat. I feel like I'm being choked. And she goes, maybe let it. If you're comfortable, let it increase.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

I was like, what?

[Valerie Tosi]

I know.

[Pete Holmes]

And, dude, it's like this type of therapy is very close friends with psychedelics. There's something about, like, the power of your mind. And you're like, what if I just let this increase? And then it does and your throat. This might freak people out. But I knew I was safe. I was breathing. But you just feel this pressure in your neck, chest area. And I was like, wow, it wanted to talk to me.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

So I'm doing all this unearthing of feelings.

[Valerie Tosi]

So good.

[Pete Holmes]

I know, it's. She's incredible. My therapist is incredible. And internal family systems is incredible. But then I go down and you said it. When you're overwhelmed and there's something your brain. And I really am saying, like, I felt okay thinking about these things, but my brain is like, I don't.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

I'm trying to answer emails. I'm trying to have a life.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

So it would take the Furby song and loop it and fuck me if it's Bruno or some shit.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Like, that's like a coping. It's one of the ways that I get songs out of my head is I go, like, there's something we don't want to think about. That's okay. Let's make a deal. Let's not do any deep thoughts, but you can turn the bodega music off, please.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Not saying it always works, but.

[Valerie Tosi]

Right. Well, that's the thing also, the. Like, when our bodies are dysregulated, it's. I've used this before, but it's. It's like a wind to our brain's windmill. And it'll just make it.

[Pete Holmes]

I'm seeing a pinwheel.

[Valerie Tosi]

Ooh, a pinwheel.

[Pete Holmes]

Like, my brain's more of a pinwheel.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah. And it's so. It's just making it spin and spin and spin, and, you know, that can look all kinds of different ways. Like, I. I was talking about how around this time, winter's just, you know, it is the hardest season for a lot of us.

[Pete Holmes]

Sister Winter.

[Valerie Tosi]

Sister Winter. And generally, if I were a journaler, I think I would notice that, like, around this time every year, I am experiencing a specific sort of, like, obsessive brain. And right now it's on Bob Dylan. But, like, you know, years before, it's been on whatever. You know, like, the. The dream is when I can get it actually on a creative project.

[Pete Holmes]

Yes.

[Valerie Tosi]

But it does feel like a, like, fire hose energy that, like, sometimes I can't wrangle and actually point it at something.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah. Yes. It's an obsessive time.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah. So it's. So I'll even, like, get to the point where I'm reading so much about Bob Dylan that I'm starting to feel, like, sick to my stomach, and I'm like, I need to stop. Like, I don't. This doesn't feel good anymore.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Valerie Tosi]

And I think that there is a. An anxiety that comes with winter, and my brain is responding by obsessing about something because the pinwheel is rolling.

[Pete Holmes]

I just think so much of human history. This is also something that my therapy has pointing me to is like, so your plain view. Is it just your protector, or has he been protecting your people, like, for a long time? Like, generationally?

[Valerie Tosi]

Right.

[Pete Holmes]

And I have a hard time dipping into that. I'm so hesitant to be, like. To try and speak to that. Like, I'll feel insincere. But I do get the sense that winter, traditionally, for humans is just the worst news.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And it comes every year, and you're.

[Valerie Tosi]

Just trying to get through it. That's so smart. I didn't even think about the, like, epigenetics.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

That for thousands of years, when it gets cold and when it starts to get cold and when the leaves are dying and it's like, do we have a silo that's elevated off the ground, that critters won't eat our food? How many are going to die? Again, I'm not trying to be funny. It's like, it's such a rough. Hold your nose. Let's go. Get through it.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And then spring comes and we're so happy. And you're horny, of course, in the spring because you're like, yeah, let's do it now. Although the baby will be born in winter. That's a weird joke. Horny in March, conceiving in or birthing in October. November.

[Valerie Tosi]

December.

[Pete Holmes]

December.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah. Horny in March, birthing in December. That's just like a weird joke.

[Valerie Tosi]

Trapped. I mean, joke trap.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, it's a weird little trap.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah. Well, even just that, like, babies are. I mean, we were at coffee with our. Our friend's baby, and our friend.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, Friend was also there, and I.

[Valerie Tosi]

Was like, boy, they're so cute. At, like, 14 months. This baby is like 14 months. And you're like, that is like the cutest age. And doesn't that make sense that, like, you're. You're rested enough and they're peeking at cute. Where you'll be like, I'll have another one.

[Pete Holmes]

Right. Like, it's a trick, too.

[Valerie Tosi]

All just tricking us.

[Pete Holmes]

It's all tricks. And I have a bit right now, which is what you're referencing, which is like, sex is a trick.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Making more babies is hidden in our favorite thing. That's insane.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And also, like. Like, really talk about lava lamp talk. But who is tricking who? The genes. The genetic intelligence.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Is. Is separate from your private intelligence. You belong to a system. And then there's like, universal intelligence that's going on as well.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah. Which might be it too. Like the force of life, the thing that makes. Makes wind blow so that seeds of plants will spread.

[Pete Holmes]

Right.

[Valerie Tosi]

And create more and more and more. Like, that is the universal intelligence that's sort of behind everything. And then I love thinking about that because it just feels like, thank God I'm a tiny seed that gets blown by the wind and planted in the earth. And I really actually have very little to do with it. I know that that might be. There probably are, you know, mind states that I can get into where that's bad news. But, like, for the most part, that feels so good. Like, what a relief. You just gotta sort of let the wind blow you.

[Pete Holmes]

No, it's true. So Rupert Spira, my favorite boyfriend. Boyfriend. My favorite boyfriend. Teacher. He is a dreamboat. He talks about your thoughts. And sometimes people ask, like, how do I change my thoughts? I certainly feel that way the more I've been with you. And someone who doesn't have the same sort of. I don't know how to say it, but, like, there's such a. People know That I meant a bad thing. There's such a boss Austin 80s and 90s. There's like a toxicity to that. I was talking to Matt about it, Matt McCarthy, and we were talking about. I hope he wouldn't mind me saying that when he met his wife, they're watching TV and she was like, are you going to say something about everything you see? And that is so like, my. A touchdown from my father is like. You'd think New York would have a prettier newscaster. Like, everything is just getting like, like sprayed by judgment.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

It's one of the reasons why I think Boston makes so many great comedians.

[Valerie Tosi]

Right.

[Pete Holmes]

And that's something I think is awesome. But it is like, there's a lot of, like, judging at what cost. But so I spend. Or I used to spend more of my time going, like, how can I know so much religious, spiritual theory and also spend so much time actively trying to soften my heart and also speaking. And I have so many mentors. Father Greg Boyle, Richard Rohr, Rupert, of course, that are like. Like, my heroes are loving, gentle, generous people. And all I do is read their stuff, and all I do is watch them speak. And I think about it, I want it, and I want it, and I want it. And then, like, I see somebody who is somehow. In a. In a 90s kind of way, we would have made fun of this, right? And it's hard to think of an example. But I'm just saying, like, you know, in the nine, in the 80s too.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

If you saw somebody like, I'm without any body shaming. But if somebody was like, very heavy, like a heavy person in the 80s, that was just like, if you were watching a movie.

[Valerie Tosi]

So, yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And there was a character that was very big, you would be like, here comes the joke about how they can't stop eating Jujubes. Like, you'd start salivating, being like, here it comes. I mean, in the 70s, they wore shirts that said no fat chicks. I mean, like, that's just how it. I'm not saying. They also had shirts that said up with miniskirts. It was a fucked up time.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah. The seventies gets a lot of credit for being super groovy, but it was also no fat chicks. They were always like, bro, not saying that, bros. But they were always another energy. It wasn't just peace and love. So anyway, I catch myself having all of these involuntary thoughts, and Rupert has this great quote where he goes, if you want to change your thoughts, you can. You just have to change the entire universe.

[Valerie Tosi]

Wow.

[Pete Holmes]

Meaning I am. I'm not saying I can't work on it, you know, and work with it is maybe a better way to put it. But, like, when it comes to being. I hear your voice in my head, you, Valerie, all the time going like, what a 90s Boston kid thing to say. And I go, yeah. In this beautiful, like, aha. Like I'm part of a thing Again, this doesn't mean green lights to all impulses and feelings, but when it comes to something like feeling shame that you have these knee jerk responses that were ingrained and driven into your brain, have them and go, what a 90s Boston kind of thought. 100%, and just move on.

[Valerie Tosi]

This is what I've always said about Forgive it. Part of you is that it sounds so much like intrusive thoughts to me.

[Pete Holmes]

Right?

[Valerie Tosi]

Especially because it will heighten when you're dysregulated.

[Pete Holmes]

Yes.

[Valerie Tosi]

And I have dealt with intrusive thoughts. It was sort of part of my, like, you know, I had just like a little touch of postpartum ocd, and it came out in intrusive thoughts and just a sprinkle. Just a sprinkle of it. And that was just a.

[Pete Holmes]

Yes. And I wasn't saying you only had a little.

[Valerie Tosi]

No, no, I know. Yeah. No, I do want to. Like, I. I think people have it way worse, but I. I would get to that in times when I was, like, alone with Leela and really dysregulated. And the only thing that ends up working is just going like the. That's just a thought. Like. And I've been teaching Leela that too, because Leela is starting to get to the age where she'll, you know, get. Have a scary thought, and then she'll be like, I can't stop thinking about this. And I'm like, just let yourself think it. And every time you do, you can just be like, oh, that's just a thought. And she.

[Pete Holmes]

Like, when you do that. Yeah.

[Valerie Tosi]

And that's such a good. Remember, like, mem. Such a good reminder to me too. Because thoughts are only harmful when you believe them. When you identify with them, when you think that they're who you are, we start building.

[Pete Holmes]

Jumping to. Building conclusions is better. You go, well, I thought that about these people that I saw at the airport. I'm a piece of. It becomes a belief.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah, exactly.

[Pete Holmes]

And then the beliefs become your seeming identity.

[Valerie Tosi]

It really is so helpful also to think of it as like a radio station. You know, you're like, oh, my gosh.

[Pete Holmes]

I've never heard that.

[Valerie Tosi]

Remember when we used to think we would listen to the radio even if we didn't like the song or the. You know, the DJ was kind of like, not our favorite and being annoying. Like, sometimes you're like, yeah, but this is the radio station. And, like, it'll just be on in the background and I'm just not gonna listen.

[Pete Holmes]

Or they're doing the ads or something, and they're like, if you have erectile dysfunction, you're like, well, this isn't for me.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah, this is.

[Pete Holmes]

But you didn't get mad about it and go like, why do I keep having these erectile dysfunction ads?

[Valerie Tosi]

Right.

[Pete Holmes]

You just go like, it's running an ad. That's the whole interconnected. So many of our issues come from a feeling of separation, feeling like you're this little capsule going through this world, but when you realize that you are saturated and indistinguishable from the world. Like, Michael Gunger has that great point in his book this, which is a great book, great audiobook too. He talks about like. Like, we're basically trees. We're very similar to trees. We're just the wireless version. It's like, we don't have to plug into the earth, but we eat food that grew in the earth, and our. Our leaves don't turn sunlight into glucose. We eat glucose and we breathe air directly into lung. It's the same kind of apparatus.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

In fact, everything is like, in the pitch black, deepest ocean, that thing is also seeking out the same types of. Whatever. I'm gonna sound fancy and be like, carbon based. You know what I mean? I just mean, like, it's in this world, and believe it or not, you and that deep sea fish are merged in this very real way. And like, all of that, like, when. When there's a tragedy, we always say, you know, they were a loner. Like, they were detached. That. That's not always. But often, you know, they kept to themselves. I don't know.

[Valerie Tosi]

Right.

[Pete Holmes]

It's like, yeah, there's something true about that. It's like, we need to remember how much, as Father Boyle says, we belong to each other.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

But then also, like, you belong to the world. And that includes when you lose your temper after you wheelie skid on.

[Valerie Tosi]

You know, bring it back.

[Pete Holmes]

And I was saying this on the podcast. I know that was a deep callback. It's like when Pete is angry, boy, he just thinks he doesn't belong. And I'm like, actually, that's exactly right.

[Valerie Tosi]

Right.

[Pete Holmes]

And that's what a friend will Remind.

[Valerie Tosi]

You, this is what my therapist said. I don't even remember exactly how you're talking about it, but she's like. Basically, she's like, if you open the door to every layer of somebody's fears, the last door is always a fear of abandonment. And I think that's. That seems right. I would just change the language to, like, the last door is fear of separation. Because we. And why do we fear that so much? Because it's the most unnatural thing. And therefore, it actually is the least true thing. Because it, like, you know what I mean? So. And this is also just on that topic. It's like something else that I always say to myself is like, fear clouds the truth. So, like, if there. You can always. You know, if there is fear, you can be like, I don't have to believe my thoughts, especially right now, because there's fear. So I know I'm not seeing it clearly. So if I'm afraid of separation the most, then that is the least true thing.

[Pete Holmes]

Yes.

[Valerie Tosi]

Because I. Some part of me is recognizing that doesn't line up with the nature of reality. The nature of reality is this connectedness. And then, you know, some. You would say oneness. It's like.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Valerie Tosi]

It's connected to the point where it's just one. And I agree with that, too. I'm just saying you love to say that.

[Pete Holmes]

Well, you know when they say that love is the answer, like, oneness being a better definition of love. 1. A shared reality.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

As opposed to, like, a nice feeling. Of course, I'm not the first to point out that often when we say I love you, we mean I really, really like you. But, like, a deep love. And of course I really, really like you. In fact, I say that to you all the time. Yeah, I go, I really like you. But the love, again, Rupert would say, it's not actually relationship. It's the dissolving or the collapsing of relationship. And recognizing that, like, I was actually thinking about this because we went to a. Like a farm. You know, Leela wanted to ride a horse around, and we did that. And then I was walking around the farm, and I saw a pig. Two pigs actually snuggling. And they were sleeping, and the pig was deep asleep. And it's. I swear it was smiling. It looked like the happiest. Just like a pig in. Was so happy. And I was, like, really tripped out on. I was like, that pig in its own experience of itself in deep sleep. And in deep sleep, you have no sense of. I'm a pig in deep Sleep I have no sense of. I'm a human named Pete. You just are, as I say all the time. Consciousness. Without an object. You're a flashlight with nothing to shine the flashlight on. It's just light. So that pig, in its essence, is exactly the same as me, in my essence when I'm asleep. And that's not just like a theory. If you could take a sample of my experience of myself when I'm deep asleep, a sample of this pig, of its experience of itself when it's deep asleep, put them next to each other, it would be spacious, clean, naked, empty. Light.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

It would just be that with which all pigness or peatness, is known. I was like, that's love. That's me going, like, I get it. We're the same. And then as that pig wakes up and sort of reanimates and realizes its pigness and remembers, oh, yeah, this is where my food is and this is where I'm fucking pig. And I wake up and I go, I gotta email that guy. It returns. But in the naked, deep sleep, the same.

[Valerie Tosi]

Same. Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And then. But I was like, that's great for pigs. I'm trying to do that now with difficult people in my life. And it doesn't always. It doesn't mean you're gonna like everybody, but, like, it's nice to hold on. In our most naked form. We're exactly. In our essence, we're exactly the same. And that's love. So oneness is a fun concept, but again, it's in the interest of remembering that you love and are with and share reality with everything.

[Valerie Tosi]

Right. I love that point. It is, you know, oneness is the absolute truth. And then our personalities is the relative truth. The, like, waking and the differentiating.

[Pete Holmes]

Go ahead, hate that and yell at that. Who cares? Like, that's so stupid. It's just entertainment.

[Valerie Tosi]

Right.

[Pete Holmes]

Just theater and of course, be kind and all that. But I'm just saying, like, you don't have to like. And if I could really own that as someone who wants everyone to like him, I could really own that.

[Valerie Tosi]

Right.

[Pete Holmes]

And Pete's grumpy sometimes. Okay, great.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

It's like Rupert has a great analogy too, where he's like. Like, it's like water. And you add tea to water, you add coffee to water, Kool Aid, but it's still in its essence, it's. It's all water.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And we're going around being like, I don't like Kool Aid. And maybe you feel bad about that. It's like, who cares, right?

[Valerie Tosi]

Right.

[Pete Holmes]

I mean, you're, you're both water. And if you can hold on to that, you'll probably be kind to Kool Aid.

[Valerie Tosi]

Well, that's what. You don't like it. Like if you, if you have a little piece of. Have the absolute truth with you, then you, it will sort of change your perspective of the relative truth. Not to the point where you're like, I. I'm in love with everyone, you know?

[Pete Holmes]

No, but that was in my last ketamine trip where it was like, even your least favorite person is doing a flawless version of that person.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Like a Academy Award worthy performance. And they never break character.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And at the end of the day. Burp. At the end of the day, they were the same thing as us. Just playing this role, playing it perfectly. So you can. I was in a shit mood and I went to the grocery store and everybody was just being very small town and just fucking taking their time. And then you're like, you can kind of allow that, like, be the song on the radio and again, not just as a philosophical understanding, but as a break for yourself and go like, like. And here we are in this weird oneness and it's okay.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

I wanted to close with a funny. And we went and saw Stomp and I thought we had some fun.

[Valerie Tosi]

Oh, my God, yes.

[Pete Holmes]

Thoughts about Stomp.

[Valerie Tosi]

Totally.

[Pete Holmes]

And I do it like Valley Heat. We'll talk about that after this promo. This episode is brought to you by Stomp. I don't know if you've ever been to one of those shows where like, I don't know, eight or maybe 12 men and women, more men than when I. You know how men are always tapping on their leg, you know, more theta energy. I think it's like the theta brainwave. Anyway, so it's like a group of men and some women and. And they have brooms and they're banging them. They're banging. And then like a beat sort of emerges, like it kind of presents itself. And then there's a guy with a lighter and he's like. And you're like tapping your toe. It's like, stop. Like, hey, what if we banged on this? I can't do it. No, he's.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah, I know. She's so special.

[Pete Holmes]

It's a thing I can't do.

[Valerie Tosi]

I know. That's what I love about it.

[Pete Holmes]

But I'll never stop trying.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Because it's fun to do it. It's fun to just be like, you know, one of them's wearing overalls, but one of the One of the, one of the straps is undone kind of like a 90s. Like, were they just spray painting something and now they're sweeping in a, in a rhythm?

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah, but that is stump. We went and saw it.

[Pete Holmes]

Hey, what if we banged on this? We loved it. By the way, if anybody that was in that production of Stomp in Utah, what a great job you did. Did. Thank you.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yes, I, I did love it. I do. I do use it as the example of like, you know, we were in a hotel room with a six year old for five days in Salt Lake City, not skiing. It wasn't snowing, but it was cold. So by the last day we went to Benihana and saw Stomp.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Valerie Tosi]

Because like, what else are you gonna do?

[Pete Holmes]

And in that spirit, we're not the perfect audience for Stomp because having a six year old is living with both. Stomp.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And you're the drum, so you're constantly being touched and stimulated. But it was really, really cool. One thing that I noticed that I don't like about myself, Shane Gillis has a funny joke about how you get older, you start getting more conservative. You just feel yourself closing like a fist. So I don't like this, but I was like, worried about these guys. I was like, what are they going to be doing in 10 years?

[Valerie Tosi]

Oh, yeah, right.

[Pete Holmes]

When did I become the dad from that 70s show? I'm in the arc and I'm sitting.

[Valerie Tosi]

There going like, this is not practical.

[Pete Holmes]

This is not practical.

[Valerie Tosi]

This is not sustainable.

[Pete Holmes]

What are you gonna do? Yeah, go to your next job and say, I can get a rhythm going out of a plastic bag.

[Valerie Tosi]

Right.

[Pete Holmes]

But of course you can. Yeah, of course you can. You were in Stomp, right? I'm sure you can be. You'll figure it out in another production of another thing. But that's kind of one of my old man thoughts.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Because I was like, you should be a lawyer. So dumb.

[Valerie Tosi]

I went, I don't believe that. My little Stomp snippet is that.

[Pete Holmes]

Stomp it.

[Valerie Tosi]

For the first 45 minutes, I loved it. I was grooving. I was so impressed. I was like, really moved.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Valerie Tosi]

And then just like a light switch turning off, I went from absolutely loving it to being like, get me out of here. Yeah. Like, oh, let me guess, you're gonna do a drum beat on that. The trash can.

[Pete Holmes]

You do realize sometimes shows want to be a certain length to prevent people from complaining that it was too short, not because the show needed to be that long.

[Valerie Tosi]

It could have been 45 minutes.

[Pete Holmes]

And that's true of a lot of things, even great things. I saw Mitch Hedberg, one of the greats, and it turns out an hour was a little too long for one liners, but he's got to do an hour because that's how it is.

[Valerie Tosi]

Right.

[Pete Holmes]

One of the greats was like, they should just let him do 40. It would have been in my, to my taste. The constant channel change of new premise, new premise, new premise. It just got a little tiring. Yeah, probably for him too. I don't know. So it doesn't mean it's bad.

[Valerie Tosi]

No.

[Pete Holmes]

Mitch Edberg's one of the greatest comedians that ever lived. And maybe it could have been that and this was awesome and maybe it could have been 45 minutes, but they're like, it's got to be an hour and a half because everyone paid $50.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah. And you made the like the excellent point that there, there are ways that it definitely feels 20 years old or 30 years old, however old it is, because that, you know, it is impressive. And I think it was more impressive 30 years ago and no one had.

[Pete Holmes]

Seen that coming 30 years ago.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Someone's like, what?

[Valerie Tosi]

With a broom, you're like, someone comes in with another. What's happening?

[Pete Holmes]

And we're what now? In a post TikTok generation, you're watching videos where a guy throws a ping pong ball into the over the ocean, a seagull eats it, then shits it. It lands on a table at a velocity you can't imagine and a guy misses it and then a crowd erupts because it was the Olympics.

[Valerie Tosi]

Right.

[Pete Holmes]

You see that, right? It's a little less exciting that someone's like, I know. I'm not saying it's just how things age stage. And the thing that will be the next stomp is going to be fucking nuts.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah. And then in 30 years we will.

[Pete Holmes]

Be bored by that.

[Valerie Tosi]

That's just it.

[Pete Holmes]

That goes back to my theory. I want to be on the record as much as I can. I think in 20 years what we consider hardcore pornography now will be considered quaint and old fashioned.

[Valerie Tosi]

That's scary.

[Pete Holmes]

I don't think it's because it's like going to be nine dicks or something. I mean like in the future it's going to be like so much an AI 3D immersive, like, like mountains or boobs. And there's a butt the size of Utah.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

You know what I mean?

[Valerie Tosi]

Right.

[Pete Holmes]

And it's not, it's, it's actually trans. It's like it's beyond sexuality. It's like, it's so erotic that you and I wouldn't recognize it. In the same way that a caveman wouldn't understand Times Square. If you see what's going to be erotic in 20 years, it would look like a screensaver to us.

[Valerie Tosi]

I don't know. I wonder.

[Pete Holmes]

I'm not sure. Just having a hot take though.

[Valerie Tosi]

If we. I wonder if we. Correct.

[Pete Holmes]

If we do too.

[Valerie Tosi]

Like pendulum swing a little bit.

[Pete Holmes]

Oh, I hope we're going into five and dimes and looking in a little projector and there's one photograph in it.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah. Because this is, you know, not to like pull everybody into my Bob Dylan rabbit hole. Like leaving Bob Dylan out of it. We are having the experience of like. Okay, if you, if you're looking at Bob Dylan chronologically, you go to 60s Dylan and it is so, like, so quaint and adorable. Even though he was being like edgy at the time.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Valerie Tosi]

But it's all black and white. He's so young. Anytime he barely flashes a smile. Both of us like clutch our hearts and they're just like, oh my God, he's so dreamy and so cute. And then we tried to watch Rolling Thunder Review yesterday.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Valerie Tosi]

Which is him in the 70s. And it's so 70s and it's so 70s. Because the 60s just kind of kept going in the. The direction.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Valerie Tosi]

That it was going. Which was getting freakier and deakier and more drugs. And more drugs. And then the 70s was a trippy ass nightmare of a decade.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah. I don't know if I like the 70s.

[Valerie Tosi]

I don't think I like the 70s. And he's like in like. He's got like clown. Yeah. He's. He's got a white face and like eyeliner and he's got feathers in his hat and he looks really like bohemian and weird and he's singing the songs all sloppy and you're just like, this is the 70s. Like, this is so. It's making us feel weird. I feel like we're gonna have bad dreams.

[Pete Holmes]

I thought so too, and I think I did. I don't think I slept great.

[Valerie Tosi]

But then if you think about it like, so then. So the 70s kept going like that. And then the 80s, it was like all yuppie capitalists. Like, really tight, uptight, square.

[Pete Holmes]

And even the musicians looked like they were 3D printed. But a computer in the 80s? Yeah, like, it's like we had a 3D printer from the 2020s, but we had a computer from the 80s. Like Apple II. And it was like, here's a rock star. And it's all square and purple and the sleeves are rolled up and sunglasses and big hair, totally sloppy pants.

[Valerie Tosi]

And think about this like if you say a 70s porno, everybody knows, everybody knows what that looks like. If you say an 80s porno, people are like, I don't, I don't know that reference.

[Pete Holmes]

We're in a white modern apartment now.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah, but it's not like in the zeitgeist, but like 70s porn had a huge place in the society, in the culture of the 70s. And in the 80s it was, you know, just a little bit more like on the down low. So I just have this feeling that we're going to like always do that a little bit.

[Pete Holmes]

I hope you're right. I, I, I've certainly cooled on my we're all like the whole world is about to be upside down. AI feelings.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

It seems to be a little more gentle. In fact it is the way the things that I was listening and watching that were predicting what it was predicting those things already didn't come to fruition. It's just, it's different. And didn't I say that not to pat myself? It's never what you think it's going to be.

[Valerie Tosi]

No.

[Pete Holmes]

That doesn't mean it's not going to be life changing and a shift in the world. I'm sure. But it's always surprising. It's always surprising.

[Valerie Tosi]

And I think like the whole thing of, you know, I think we often go, man, if things keep going down this road, it's gonna get monstrous. And that is true. But we know that like, we know that in our deepest DNA that you can't just have more and more and more and more and more down one path. And I think even on, I think it is mostly unconsciously we tend to kind of self correct.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Valerie Tosi]

And I don't think we ever find someone balance.

[Pete Holmes]

Someone unplugs from the Matrix and goes like this isn't, this isn't humanity.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And liberates everyone.

[Valerie Tosi]

Right. And then I, I, I, I do think that often results in over correcting. So I'm not saying that we find perfect balance, but it just seems like it is never what we think because we're all, you know, we're, we're, it's the void, the slippery slope sort of argument where it's like if people, if men can marry men, then soon people are going to be marrying their dogs. And you're just like, this isn't, that's not Actually how things tend to work.

[Pete Holmes]

That's right. And because it's always surprising, too, that even applies there. It's not what your dumb fucking first guess is.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah, okay.

[Pete Holmes]

I'm an Amish guy. You're staying in my house. I put you in the bedroom. There's a candle. And then I go. The password for the WI fi is because it's a secret, but it's just S H, H, H, H. It's a dumb joke to close. Listen, thanks for being here. It was cute, Valerie.

[Valerie Tosi]

Oh, all right.

[Pete Holmes]

Well, it feels too abrupt. Yeah, I feel good.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yep. Feel good.

[Pete Holmes]

Thomas. Joke was fine.

[Valerie Tosi]

It was fine.

[Pete Holmes]

It was fine. What are these stomp guys going to be doing? Also, how many calories does it. The performance of Stomp burn?

[Valerie Tosi]

I mean, just. Just so many. I. I did. I did make also the point that I wish that they would just put on tap shoes and tap dance, because I feel like I could watch good tap dancing for hours and hours. But then my friend Lisa was like, yeah, but this was 30 years ago. They probably didn't do that because that's what most of the musicals and plays were.

[Pete Holmes]

Oh, yeah.

[Valerie Tosi]

And then.

[Pete Holmes]

And they were trying to revolutionize and redefine it for a new generation. Generation. But they are tricking you into liking tap dancing. That's for sure.

[Valerie Tosi]

I mean, who doesn't like tap dancing? But also, who doesn't think that they also could tap dance? Probably.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Valerie Tosi]

Give me the shoes.

[Pete Holmes]

I'm like 30% there.

[Valerie Tosi]

And I think it's, like the hardest kind of dancing I've heard.

[Pete Holmes]

Mother Nature tap dance. I've slept in a barn with a tin roof when it rains.

[Valerie Tosi]

I also said to you at one point, because this. The one of the guys was, like, doing tiny, little fast stomps.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah. And like, pounding is harder than it looks.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah. And I was like, this is one of those things that. That is more impressive than it looks, which is not what you want. You want, like, ballet where you're like, this looks easy, but it. Wait, no, that's the same.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, I know what you mean.

[Valerie Tosi]

You know what I mean? You're like, make it look harder than it actually is.

[Pete Holmes]

Well, the ultimate way to enjoy Stomp is if they brought you on stage one by one and said, try to. Try to step it this fast. And then you did it. And then they were like, I'll show you. And then they did it. And you'd be like, holy. Like you're crying blood, because you did it for two seconds.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah, exactly.

[Pete Holmes]

Right now we can say Bye.

[Valerie Tosi]

All right, everybody, thanks for listening, and keep it crispy.