We Made It Weird #220

Summary

Podcast Summary: You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

Episode: We Made It Weird #220
Date: June 13, 2025
Host: Pete Holmes
Co-host: Valerie (Val) Holmes

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Episode Overview

This episode is a classic, informal "We Made It Weird" installment where Pete and Val Holmes riff about everything from musical impressions to deep, therapeutic breakthroughs. The first half is light, filled with comedic banter, spontaneous jokes, and playful bits. The second half (starting around [28:00]) transitions into a meaningful discussion, with Pete sharing personal therapy breakthroughs, reflections on family obligations, and the power of "found family." Listeners are taken through laughter and vulnerability, exemplifying the signature "weirdness" and depth of the show.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Two Halves of the Episode ([00:30]–[01:29])

• Pete and Val preview the episode's tone: the first half is "a bit dumb...bits, bits, bits," while the second half is "deep, meaningful, therapeutic" ([00:35]–[01:03]).
• Listener tip: For those in a "thoughtful, profound" mood, jump to minute 28 or 29 ([01:03]).

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2. Mood Boosts & Physical Activity ([06:38]–[10:20])

• Rediscovering how exercise and sunshine lift spirits: Val notes, "for the millionth time...I just need to be taking better care of my mind, body, spirit" ([08:54]).
• Seasonal Rhythms: Pete discusses how the cyclical nature of life and mood parallels podcast episodes, encouraging listeners to embrace these patterns ([09:10]).
• Australian Perspective on Seasons: Val shares that some Australians don't think in terms of seasons, highlighting cultural differences in perception ([09:49]).

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3. Classic Riffing & Recurring Jokes ([10:21]–[27:38])

• Musical Parodies and Impressions: The pair dive into a running joke about the State Farm jingle and instrument impressions ([07:20], [07:47]).
• Bob Dylan's Harmonica Skills ([13:24]–[15:09]):
  • Pete asks, "Do we like Bob Dylan's harmonica playing, or is it just like he has a harmonica?" ([13:24]).
  • Val defends Dylan: "If it sounds sloppy, you're doing it right" ([14:51]).
• Impression Olympics: They try Owen & Luke Wilson, Robert Downey Jr., and Bill Murray voices, riffing on their performances ([18:08]–[20:58]).
• Meta Comedy: Jokes about the mechanics of marriage, divorce, and keeping promises playfully surface ([16:40]–[17:50]).
• Podcast = "30 TikToks mashed together" ([15:42]).

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4. Show Business Anecdote ([27:06]–[33:52])

• Singing 'Beulah Land' on Set: Pete describes a recent movie scene where he was excited to sing "Beulah Land," only to discover it was an obscure, atonal Christian hymn he couldn't confidently perform ([27:06]–[33:52]).
  • “You don’t know what it’s like to be in the desert wearing a suit with a camera two inches from your face, singing a song you have little to no confidence in” – Pete ([33:00]).
• Issues with Song Rights & Bizarre Lyrics: He shares frustration with clearing music rights and tortured attempts to remember nonsensical lyrics.

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5. Therapy Breakthrough & Family Dynamics ([38:09]–[62:43])

• Swimming as Meditation ([38:24]–[41:48]):

  • Pete champions swimming as his preferred exercise, finding it meditative, quiet, and life-changing.
  • Credits Mike Birbiglia for the incremental approach: “Incrementally, get to a point where you can swim for 30 minutes” – Mike Birbiglia (as referenced by Pete) ([39:14]).

• Val’s Food & Mood Cycle ([41:56]–[45:28]):

  • Val reflects on sliding into unhealthy habits and getting “less alive,” describing the cycles of letting loose, then recalibrating.
  • “It always hits a certain point for me where I go like, okay, now I can feel that this is making me less alive.” – Val ([42:37]).

• Daily, Not Weekly, Goals:

  • Influenced by a friend’s advice, Pete embraces setting everyday intentions over rigid weekly schedules, especially for folks with ADHD ([47:10]–[48:38]).

• Major Therapy Insight – On Family Obligation & Found Family ([49:56]–[62:43]):

  • Pete discusses his realization that much of his familial obligation is rooted in the desire to “look normal,” referencing “There Will Be Blood” and “American Psycho” as cultural touchpoints ([52:30]–[53:43]).
  • “You have to seem like, even if it’s not true. Like, look like it.” – Pete ([54:19]).
  • He recognizes the difference between performative family relationships and genuine, reciprocal connection, and how “chosen family” can offer the real nourishment he sought.
  • Val emphasizes the science of “reparenting” and the brain’s ability to form nurturing bonds with chosen family: “Science has shown that we can reparent each other, that our brains stay malleable our whole lives.” – Val ([60:38]).
  • They explore the grief of unmet needs from birth family but express deep gratitude for the supportive community they’ve built.
  • Pete’s image of “protector” parts in therapy, updating their job to now guard something truly worthy: “Protect this. Protect something that’s worthy of your protect.” ([56:54]).
  • “Don’t go to the hardware store for milk.” – Pete ([57:09]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “A podcast is like...30 TikToks all mashed together.” – Val ([15:42])
• “Don’t go to the hardware store for milk.” – Pete ([57:09])
• “It always hits a certain point for me where I go like...now I can feel that this is making me less alive.” – Val ([42:37])
• “You don’t know what it’s like to be in the desert wearing a suit with a camera two inches from your face, singing a song you have little to no confidence in.” – Pete ([33:00])
• “Science has shown that we can reparent each other, that our brains stay malleable our whole lives.” – Val ([60:38])
• “Don’t just protect the image—protect something genuinely good.” – Pete’s therapy takeaway ([56:54])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Silly Bits & Impressions: [06:38]–[28:00]
• Movie Anecdote – 'Beulah Land' Story: [27:06]–[33:52]
• Therapy & Family Obligations: [38:09]–[62:43]
• Discussion on Found Family & Neuroplasticity: [55:10]–[61:35]

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Episode Tone

The episode swings from wild, irreverent bits and musical impressions to sincere soul-searching and relatable, hard-won wisdom. Pete and Val’s dynamic remains compassionate, warm, and goofy, playing off each other seamlessly through both the absurd and the profound.

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Summary for Non-Listeners:
If you’re looking for a mix of heartfelt introspection and laugh-out-loud improv, Episode #220 offers both. Pete and Val walk listeners through seasonal self-care epiphanies, the struggle and relief of resetting habits, and the hard but healing work of redefining family. Both stick the landing: “keep it crispy” and weird, together.

Transcript

[A]

You made it weird. You made it weird.

[B]

You made it weird. Oh, yeah, you made it weird. Made it weird. Yes, you did. You made it weird with Pete Holmes. Hey, everybody.

[A]

I mean, what's happening, weirdos? You trying to take my job?

[B]

Do it again.

[A]

What's happening, weirdos?

[B]

I liked it. You can leave all that in, though. That's funny. I am so glad you're here. This is. We made it weird for the ages.

[A]

It sure is. It was freaky. It was dicky. It was kind of weird.

[B]

I always want to say freaky. No, the second half was like a real deep, meaningful, therapeutic breakthrough. It was very emotional and lovely. The first half is a. Is a bit dumb.

[A]

Yeah, it's a bit dumb, but we both. A dump of bits are there. Yeah, it was like.

[B]

Yeah, silly.

[A]

It was a mishmash.

[B]

I will say for me, the part that I would listen to again is the first half because I would love the laughing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The second half, though, if you're like slogging through the first half going, what is this? You could just Skip to the 28 minute, 29 minute mark and just listen to the second half if you're more in the mood for the thoughtful, profound. Because this is a true. We made it weird. Bits, bits, bits. Lots of bits. Then some. Like, as it's happening, I'm like, is this the same podcast? I mean, we were just talking about, you know, and then it got into the heart space and I'm so glad it did because I feel fantastic.

[A]

Well, you did great.

[B]

You did great.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

Thanks for being here.

[A]

Thank you for being here and thank you all for being here.

[B]

If you're hearing this the week it comes out. I am at the Irvine Improv tonight, and Irvine Improv is such a big room. It's so hard to sell.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

Yeah. That's why I'm always a little stressed about Irvine Improv. I'm clicking the link to see if it's sold out.

[A]

Get your friends in that building.

[B]

Wait, wait, wait. What did that say? I think one of the shows is sold out. Yes, Saturday, seven is sold out, but that's it.

[A]

Okay, go, go. Any other time you can go Thursday.

[B]

Thursday, 7:30 and then Saturday you can go at 9:30. Go to PeteHomes.com for tickets to that. And then also just all the. All the shows. All the shows. I'm not even going to list them. Just go to PeteHomes.com I'm going all over the place. Houston, Michigan, DC, Boston, New Hampshire. I guess I am saying them. Cleveland, I'm skipping some of them. Chicago was just announced. Atlantic City.

[A]

Atlantic City.

[B]

And that's going to be right around New York. I don't know why we can't announce New York. It'll be like the night before that.

[A]

It's like a sneaky one. But New York is there.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

In November.

[B]

And Pittsburgh. Well, we should just stay out there. We all got to go now. We're just planning. Go to PeteHomes.com oh, I had chatgpt make an image from my therapy. Isn't that cute?

[A]

Oh, that's cute.

[B]

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[A]

Valerie, get into it.

[B]

Welcome everybody to We Made It Weird. It's it's one of the episodes that starts like this where I'm sort of doing a morning DJ character where I sort of summarize in a playful manner how a typical episode of We Made It Weird goes. It's the summertime Behold, as Valerie and I rediscover for the 15th time that moving in fitness makes a difference in how we feel. Also, listen intently as Pete and Val note that the beautiful weather has been improving their mood.

[A]

That is really what I have to offer today is like. Like a dummy. State Farm is there.

[B]

I was gonna say State Farm is there. It's a musical episode.

[A]

Oh, now. Okay, you keep going. Listen.

[B]

State Farm is there. Oh, yeah, it kind of sounded like it. This is one of those.

[A]

Wait, no, it's. No, that's too low. Well.

[B]

Like a good name. State Farm is there. Yes.

[A]

Listener. Are you picturing a recorder right now? Because that. That sounds exactly like a recorder. But I got news for you. It's not. It's like a wooden.

[B]

It looks like a beetle.

[A]

Yeah, it's like the shape of a beetle.

[B]

Looks like birth control.

[A]

It does. It looks exactly like a birth control case.

[B]

Find a partner that knows what you mean when you say this looks like birth control. Because it doesn't.

[A]

Because then that's a sign that they've taken birth control.

[B]

That's a sign that you can have safe sexual.

[A]

Safe sexuals. But that is what I'm offering today. Is that for the millionth time, probably right on track. I am realizing. And I mean, like today.

[B]

Today.

[A]

Mark the day.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

That I just need to, like, be taking better care of my mind, body, spirit.

[B]

But here's what I want to say. The comfort. And we don't even need to unpack it that much of. We made it weird for you and I. And I'm hoping for the. The listeners.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Is like a calendar.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You go like, exactly. Like, if we were geniuses.

[A]

Huh?

[B]

We might invoke it. Like, lean into the fact that it's circ. Cyclical. Cyclical, Cyclic, Cyclical, cyclical, cyclical.

[A]

Terrifying.

[B]

Death is cyclical. Cyclical. Anyway, what I'm saying is we could be like, okay, guys, we're all in this together.

[A]

Yeah. It's June 11th.

[B]

It's that time of year to go. Like, hey, the sun's out more sun's up like that. And it's time to move our bodies. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like a lot of people.

[A]

Yeah. They're on the same rhythm. Unless they live in Australia. Then you are wintering, aren't you? Actually, somebody from Australia who I know just told me that they never think of things in seasons. And she was like, I don't. I think that's an Australian thing. No, it's a teacher of a dance class that I've been taking. And she was like. So when people say in the fall, she's like, I really have to think about it. I don't think of things in the season. She's like, you guys are obsessed with seasons here.

[B]

Okay, I know. I'm gonna ask you to give me three feet, my man. Give me three feet.

[A]

Give me three feet. What does that mean? What is this? Like, just give me some space.

[B]

I think that's what the more backup.

[A]

Mind your business.

[B]

That's all.

[A]

Just mind your business.

[B]

Mindset it is. What is that from again?

[A]

That's from Fresh Prince of Bel Air.

[B]

When he's trying to teach Ashley how to fight, and it turns out you go up on stage at the Oscars. Listen, welcome to We Made it Weird. The most recent references we'll be making are the Oscars during the pandemic. This is why you tune in. What's happening in our world? What's happening in our hearts? Well, it is what's happening in our hearts. And on Mike Yawn.

[A]

And I. I did such a good job taking that silence.

[B]

Bad job.

[A]

You could hear that. You went, no, I did.

[B]

It was like. It was like the guy that yawns like that is the guy that scrubs his back with a sponge on a stick wearing a bathing cap and goes, no. Like it was a Marmaduke Yawn.

[A]

I did not.

[B]

It was creaky.

[A]

Bored. Tell me for real right now.

[B]

I just saw it.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

You did a fabulous job.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Can I share? Can I share?

[A]

Yeah, sure.

[B]

Can I share?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Just want to disrupt the system of this podcast. I just want to slap it.

[A]

Part of your system.

[B]

I threw it to the ground. These are the references.

[A]

These are the we had. These are old ass references.

[B]

Will Smith at the Oscars. A lonely Island SNL video. Listen, what I did want to share was, I think it was really Beauteous Maximus. Oh, two things. One's more light, and then we'll move into the therapy breakthrough.

[A]

Oh, it seems early for that, though.

[B]

Well, that was amazing. That was something that if. If Napoleon Dynamite did it, it would have made the movie. You know what I mean? It was so I won't be able to do it again, but I'm gonna try. I can't. No.

[A]

But I loved that in a day.

[B]

That was also imagine. Just imagine that sort of you have to poop feeling of a talent show in, like, second grade. You have to poop and it's very quiet and someone comes up and goes, I mean, if you didn't have to poop before that, you put this on. You gotta poop now. Oh, my God. You think about that next time you're having a hard time pooping.

[A]

You hear, you're laughing.

[B]

Do we like Bob Dylan's harmonica playing, or is it just like he has a harmonica?

[A]

No, I. I mean. Well, I guess it in.

[B]

Is he considered to be a good harmonica player or a harmonica player?

[A]

I. Great question. I don't really know. It seems like you either can play the harmonica or you can't. There's no degrees of Noel.

[B]

Harmonica is the fancy sister of the kazoo.

[A]

And don't you think that that is like.

[B]

I'm sorry, are you about to defend this position?

[A]

Yes. And okay, so if it's the fancy.

[B]

Sister of the kazoo, it college the kazoo.

[A]

You can either play the kazoo or you can't. There's no degrees of how well you play it.

[B]

I see.

[A]

So you made my three feet.

[B]

Just mind your business.

[A]

Mind your business.

[B]

Mind your business. I'm just saying. We're saying here, give me three feet. Give me three feet. Chappelle said it in something. He's like, I need you to give me three feet. Give me three feet. All right, we're going to ask the robot. Is Bob Dylan considered a good harmonica player by other harmonica players?

[A]

Yes. Bob Dylan is considered a talented harmonica player by many musicians and harmonica players. His distinctive style and innovative use of the harmonica have influenced countless artists across various genres.

[B]

More like Count Countless Crows.

[A]

I think that's gotta be true.

[B]

You think so? He always just seems to be sucking on it like a fucking.

[A]

No, he's really giving it all he's got. And it sounds the harmonica sloppy. If it sounds sloppy, you're doing it right.

[B]

Yeah. I guess what you're picking up on here is my unconscious belief that harmonica playing is supposed to be a very tight.

[A]

Yeah, it's you. Because you want it to be more like.

[B]

Like, note, note, note, notable note specific. And that it's played by, like, a guy who's very good at a very person. Tight. Like Superman. Like, yeah, like through a straw. And he's playing. When you realize you picked the wrong guide for your ayahuasca. Somebody wants to see. These could be tiktoks, but here you are in a podcast.

[A]

That's right. A podcast is like, what, like, like, like 30 TikToks all mashed together.

[B]

Yes. How many TikToks could you take out of our talking?

[A]

Probably even more than that. I just. I just answered honestly. I didn't even flinch.

[B]

Okay. So I'm glad because he's really like. It seems he plays Bob Dylan plays the harmonica as if he's hungry and the harmonica was buttered.

[A]

Oh, yeah. He.

[B]

You really are just letting what I think are premium riffs just be received. Like intel. Like the dmv. It's like I handed the DMV an application that I printed on a slice of baloney, and you're just like, okay, this isn't another one.

[A]

I'm just gonna be like, right, no.

[B]

That one is functional. I wasn't going for a laugh with that one.

[A]

Okay, I'm sorry. I'm gonna start to laugh at your metaphors.

[B]

No, no, please don't.

[A]

I vowed to. I vowed to do. In our wedding vows, I would always laugh.

[B]

Is it true?

[A]

No.

[B]

As if you could hold you. Can we just say that like when you're getting divorced and you're like. You promised. Is like really funny.

[A]

But you promised spec you wouldn't do this.

[B]

My God, you blew out the mic. And I loved it.

[A]

Sorry.

[B]

That, like, you're a grown man with a lawyer.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And a briefcase in a floor to ceiling windowed skyscraper. Law scene. And the case is. But you promised.

[A]

But you promised.

[B]

And.

[A]

And because you broke a promise, we're all here. Half your money.

[B]

Dan, that is comedy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I'm not even like, I'm not even here to take down the system. I'm just saying it's very funny that we're like, promise to be together.

[A]

Promise forever. No one else.

[B]

And we're all watching. Just say it.

[A]

You guys.

[B]

You're. We're all so full of beans.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

And then on that day, we're like, what you said. Murdered.

[A]

I know.

[B]

You said it in a hopper.

[A]

I know.

[B]

We all learned that from Meet the. Meet the Parents.

[A]

I didn't remember that from Meet the Parents.

[B]

Owen Wilson is like what you guys call a hopa. Wasn't a good Owen.

[A]

He wasn't doing a good Owen.

[B]

He. I actually did it perfectly. He wasn't dialed in that day. I just feel I. No, it's not there. I can tell.

[A]

Wow, wow, wow.

[B]

I'm in a new show called he's in a Golf Show. I'm in a golf.

[A]

I'm in a golf show. That's right. I'm hanging in there.

[B]

Luke, Luke, Luke. It's Owen. Yeah. Isn't it weird that you're more classically handsome? But I'm lapping you.

[A]

Oh, I'm fired.

[B]

I'm sorry. And you know, Luke Wills listens.

[A]

He does Luke Wilson. Both Will listens.

[B]

They love it. But I don't think he's lapping. I mean, I just do think it's funny.

[A]

I think they're.

[B]

Who's famouser?

[A]

Well, I think there was a time when Owen was more famous, but I don't know.

[B]

Shanghai Noon. Was that the time he was more famous?

[A]

Yes. Are you teasing me? Because I used to like that movie.

[B]

No, but I need more from you, Valerie. Was the time Owen Wilson more famous than Luke Wilson? Was that time Shanghai Noon?

[A]

I think so.

[B]

But don't you see how funny that is?

[A]

Oh, because it is the time. Okay. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, yeah. What time was that? This is Luke.

[A]

William.

[B]

What time were you more famous than me? I'm in Royal Tenenbaums. I'll tell you what time. Shanghai Noon. He kind of wins. Yeah, Shanghai Noon was big, but Tenenbaums. But then Luke. But then Owen is like. But I'm in those two. He's in that.

[A]

Oh, right.

[B]

He's in Tenenbaums, and he's not his brother. These two guys that look exactly the.

[A]

Same and they talk the same as each other and not like anyone else.

[B]

Yes, exactly, but in a way that is distinctly Californian.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

I was Philadelphian.

[A]

Yeah. No, it's not the South. Philadelphia is like. Oh.

[B]

Oh, that's Canadian. No, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Why am I Robert Downey Jr. Right now? Don't I sound like Robert? I did for a second. I'm sorry. Oh, I'm sorry. Jarvis. Are you gonna make an iron man, Jarvis?

[A]

Sounded like it. Okay, Jarvis, Jarvis.

[B]

We figured it out. That Robert Downey Jr. Is a guy trying to do a Canadian accent.

[A]

Canadian.

[B]

Canadian accent. But he's from America. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

I really just feels right.

[A]

I want to follow you to the ends of the earth.

[B]

This feels like I'm stoned because I'm like. I feel so strawberry.

[A]

I mean, maybe this is.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Okay, let me close my eyes.

[B]

Let me talk to Captain America right now. Okay, Cap, you need. You're going to need some. His voice is. Okay, so Dr. Strange. Dr. Strange comes in wearing an Oriental rug.

[A]

This is not.

[B]

Now it's turning. No, it's not turning into Dr. Evil kind of. It's a mess. It's a mess. We need to do spring cleaning in this area.

[A]

This.

[B]

Yeah, this riff is a mess.

[A]

It's a hot mess.

[B]

It's actually kind of cold. But can we get the Heat. Why is it so hot in the attic? Because heat rises.

[A]

What the hell just happened?

[B]

No, that was like a real. I'm like, dying. I think I might be dying.

[A]

That was a lot like, I think.

[B]

I might be dying.

[A]

I think I needed to take you to. To get an MRI because it was like you embodied a completely different person for a minute. You folded your arms.

[B]

Why is it so hot in the attic? It was like a Tim Robinson kind of like. Well, I guess we're saying guacamole from the store. Is it. Why is it so hot in the attic? I guess it's Casino was pure insanity. Here's what I've been trying to. Trying Jarvis. Trying to say. Yeah, I feel like it's there.

[A]

It's not, but I love you.

[B]

It kind of sounds like.

[A]

You know what? I'll give you this. It kind of sounds like a Canadian accent.

[B]

What is. Shoot for the moon of a Robert Downey Jr. Impression. And if you miss, you'll land in the Canadian star. Go for Downey. Settle for Canadian for.

[A]

Settle for Jim Downey.

[B]

You know there's a Canadian named Jim Downey. Well, there is a guy named Freaking out. Right?

[A]

Jim Downey. That is, I think, like a Right. Was a writer for snl. I'm just hoping.

[B]

Oh, yeah, Jim Downey. Yeah, that's. That sounds right. I am. I've said this a million on the pod since I've turned 46. The airlock opened. All the papers flew out. I'm confused and I can't hear. A lot of the time, I'm just like, I. I feel like I really up leveled. That's the nice way of saying it. My old man game. I'm very.

[A]

What a positive way.

[B]

Positive men.

[A]

I. I'm not. I'm not remembering anything. My body is getting older. I really up leveled my aging.

[B]

I like that. I like that. Muchos golly. Muchos Muchos golly.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Here's what I want to say. I watched Owning Mahoney. It's Phil Hoffman. Was that good? I just. I. I'm doing a movie. It's called that. Called Wasn't Right, but own it. Owning.

[A]

Owning Mahoney.

[B]

But he does a Canadian accent in it. And he's like, I need to take out a boot. $40.

[A]

Exactly how he talks.

[B]

He goes, I'm Phil. I'm Phil Hoffman. And sorry. It is.

[A]

Yeah. Wow.

[B]

But then you notice that it's a fun accent and there's more to it. I like the movie Oney Mahoney. I liked it.

[A]

You know What? I liked one Mahoney. I didn't think it was a bunch of baloney.

[B]

Here's what I've been wanting to say. Wow, that made me laugh. And we both turned into Jimny Glick. Just briefly.

[A]

So you were in oni.

[B]

Are you sure you don't want to rent him?

[A]

Do you like to own a whole Mahoney?

[B]

I mean, when you own a Mahoney.

[A]

That was good. That was really good.

[B]

You start very high, and then you get really low.

[A]

That's really good. That's the best impression you've done this entire time.

[B]

What about. What about Robert Downer?

[A]

Nope. Never again.

[B]

Canadian poutine, Jarvis. Jarvis. Here's what I've been trying to say. Everybody relax.

[A]

Everybody.

[B]

Everybody relax.

[A]

Take a breath. Let's reset.

[B]

You're driving. You're driving to Fargo, and you need to be alert.

[A]

Oh, Fargo.

[B]

Help us.

[A]

Fargo, why did you have to pick a place with a fun accent if we're trying to move on?

[B]

You remember when you had a puppet and you were doing Larabites, and you didn't even know you were doing Lara Bites? And you're very. Oh, I would like to know that.

[A]

And I was in the middle of a Barnes and Noble. Yeah, because Lila wanted me to do that puppet, and I did.

[B]

Isn't it funny that it used to be Library? If you say library. No, no, no. Here, hear me out. Jarvis, if you said liberry, we knew you were a dingus.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Now, if you say Barnes and Nobles, we know you're a dingus.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Both housed books.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The place where books are.

[A]

If you don't call that correctly, we know you're not reading enough.

[B]

We need you to call the place with the books. Correct.

[A]

I know. We need you to say a nonsense sentence.

[B]

This is what I.

[A]

If you don't call that correctly, you ain't reading very good.

[B]

If I was putting Superman in the escape pod. Okay, Jarvis, in the. In the pod on Krypton. It's blowing up all around us.

[A]

God, I blacked out. What's happening?

[B]

I'm putting my son Khalil, who you know is Superman, into.

[A]

Oh, my God. I'm just. You're trying.

[B]

I know. Your vagina is getting so dry.

[A]

I hate that.

[B]

Kale, if you want to make a woman bone dry, say Superman's name was Cal. Okay.

[A]

Cal.

[B]

Kl.

[A]

Ka. L. I hate that.

[B]

L. Go to Kahl.

[A]

I really. I really don't want to know that.

[B]

I know. And what I probably pushed out was, like, the pin. You know, when something has A PIN that you didn't know how to pin? Yeah, like your cell phone has a pin. Or like our library card had a pin. Oh, okay. I was trying to pay an online library fee and it was like, okay, just give us your pin.

[A]

And I was like, a Vehicle identification Number. Got it.

[B]

What do you. Yeah, exactly. What? Not a vin, not a Vehicle identification Number. But VIN is the kazoo to pins.

[A]

Harmonica. Oh, no, edit that out.

[B]

Here's what I've been trying to say. Then we will get to the therapy breakthrough. I did this movie. I'm not done with it, but it was last week, two weeks ago, and I had to sing a song. And when I say it's this big scene and I'm like, oh, I get to sing in a movie. Great. And when I say that the song that I had to sing was the most atonal nonsense song, like, I was so excited. And there were two. It's like, spoiler. It's called Beulah Land.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So there is a version. If you look for the song Beulah Land on like, tick tock, you'll hear people being like, oh, Beulah Land. And it's fun. You're like, you can kind of do it like Bill Murray. Like, oh, Bueller Land. You know, like fun. That was a great Bill Murray.

[A]

That was really good.

[B]

Okay. Jarvis.

[A]

No, get out of here. Roberts.

[B]

Downey Jr. Jarvis, I need playback on that great Bill Murray. Murray. Murray. No, I can see Robert Downey Jr. Sending back a sandwich, can't you?

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

It's not. It's toasted.

[A]

It's toast.

[B]

Well, it's toasted.

[A]

I know what you mean. There is a toast.

[B]

Totally.

[A]

There is an O. But it's so subtle. It's so much subtler than that. Toasted. It's actually toasted.

[B]

It's actually toasted. Jarvis. Jarvis. Jarvis.

[A]

Jarvis. It's actually twisted and I'm. I'm actually.

[B]

It's actually twisted. Okay, now you're spiking the mic this whole episode.

[A]

Sorry. You pulled me in, though.

[B]

Dracula dead and loving it. So I had to sing the song. So keep in mind, there was oh Bu. Which I was so excited. So when they're shooting the other direction, so I'm not on camera, I sang it like that and I was having so much fun. And then we took lunch, and at lunch, the director's like, we can't afford that version of Beulah Land, which is the only version of Beulah Land.

[A]

That's why it's so expensive, because it's Got a melody.

[B]

I. Well, thank you for bringing this up. I wanted to yell. As someone who grew up in the church, I've never heard of Beulah Land. This is a Christian song.

[A]

Oh, it's supposed to be a Christian song.

[B]

That's what I mean. It's like, oh, I don't know what a Beulah. Nobody does. It sounds. It. It sounds like, you know when you go to Canada and there's stores. I know you do. There's stores called, like, Big three or something. And it looks like Walmart.

[A]

It seems like a Sims.

[B]

You're in a video game.

[A]

Yeah, you're in a video game.

[B]

It's exactly like. Well, this is your observation. It's like you're in Grand Theft Auto, right? Because there'll be a burger place called, like, Bager. And you're like, that's fake Bager. There's probably a mission in the Bager where I go in And Robert Downey Jr. Is okay, but Baker.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, help me make this point. Christian. Oh, it sounds like a Mormon praise song.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Because Mormon music sounds very much like evangelical Christian music. But they'll say something like slightly Bueller Land. And you'll like, what's that?

[A]

When Jesus Christ came to America, he was the best person we've ever seen.

[B]

And draped in an American flag and picking maze, which is what they called corn. He said, come with me to heaven, but it's a different kind of heaven because it's in outer space.

[A]

And so are we.

[B]

And so are we. If you think about it, like, wow, deep.

[A]

That's kind of true.

[B]

Can I say that is the Kalel of.

[A]

Yeah, that's another vaginal dry net.

[B]

It's a dehumidifier. Yeah, it's a vaginal dehumidifier. A vagina. I know. I feel like if Tim Dylan said that, it would go viral. I loved him. I think he's very funny. I don't know all his stances. I'm not vouching for the whole thing. I'm just saying never heard of him. Oh, Tim Dillon. I've seen some very, very funny clips where he cracks me up and I feel like vaginal. Vaginal dehumidifier in his sunglasses. People would love it.

[A]

Cool.

[B]

But here, it'll just be a little footnote.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

Barely enjoyed. And I'm okay with it.

[A]

Yeah, I think that's. It's. I think that's a rightful place, actually. Yeah.

[B]

He's in a studio. He's got effort. We're just blowing it out our butts, aren't we?

[A]

Sure are.

[B]

Okay, so anyway, I had to sing Beulah Land.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And when I tell you it's the worst song I've ever heard, they couldn't find any online recordings of it that weren't in the middle of a sermon. So he's like, here's the clip. I found a clip. There's like 10 minutes of a guy preaching. It's unskippable because it's a Facebook video I can't skip.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

And then he. Sick. I can't even remember. It's like, beulah Land. Sweet Beulah Land. Which sounds exactly like, oh, Christmas tree.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Which threw me the fuck off. And then it goes. And on the highest mount I stand I look out across the deep blue sea where mansions are prepared for me it was.

[A]

It, too. O Christmas tree.

[B]

Val, when I tell you. And this will be a fun little Easter egg for anybody, for all the people that see the wonderful movie. I do think this movie is great. It's called Patel. It's coming out. Who knows? They just shot it. They're shooting it now. But I love it. When you see this scene, if it's not cut out where I'm singing, you'll go, Pete really blended this with O Christmas Tree.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

But when I say my excitement, the blue balls that I experience of being like, oh. I get to do funny singing. I want to belt and be like, oh, Beulah Land. Became like. And on the highest mount I stand maybe it'll come together. Great.

[A]

But that does sound funny.

[B]

You don't know what it's like to be in the desert wearing a suit with a camera two inches from your face, singing a song you have little to no confidence in. And that's my show business anecdote for this episode.

[A]

That's a good one. That's tricky.

[B]

It was tricky. And then I couldn't remember all the words. So at some points, they'd go like, the land of corn and wine. Someone would yell out. And I'd be like, I've seen the land of corn and wine. And they're like, where riches are forever mine. Or something like that. And I'm like, what is this song?

[A]

What is this song? And did it have to specifically be that song? Or could it have been any sort of hymn?

[B]

Well, they had to clear it. And I was like, please let me sing the other version.

[A]

Got it.

[B]

We can't clear that.

[A]

Right?

[B]

And I was like, I'm pretty sure that's like $30. Can I give you my entire fee for this movie? And we can. Let me sing this movie, this better song.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

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[A]

You would think we would use that time to really hone and cue this up, but we're not. We're gonna do that on air.

[B]

Real things, which, you know, whether it's politics or whether it's whatever. A lot of times we, we sort of, we're not ready for that fight. But it's easy to sort of pick the comedian. I called Robert, I said, listen, I need you to play a Mexican. He says, dude, here's the deal. Sure, it sure, why not? It sure, of course, Mexican, whatever. But then he texts back, I think that was okay. Yeah, sure, dude, whatever. I can do it.

[A]

Whatever.

[B]

I'll play a Mexican.

[A]

I think you need to just go like a little lower.

[B]

I'll play a Mexican. Yeah. Jarvis, is it lower? Dude, dude, dude, dude.

[A]

Sure. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

He's like a chicken, dude. Yeah, yeah. Robert Downey, Carl's Jr. I can't. There's a way to do it, but I don't know how to do it down.

[A]

Like something with like down feathers, you know, like down.

[B]

Robert.

[A]

Rob Bach.

[B]

Rob bach. Bach Downey Jr. Hey, where, where's the feed? Okay, I got these talons. I guess I'm a very talent, talented talent. I'm very talented. Talented.

[A]

Anyway, all right. Talk about your therapy.

[B]

I guess I could.

[A]

Don't you want to? Don't you need to.

[B]

I do want to say, because it's the summer. I'm going to do what? I said it's the summer.

[A]

It's the summer.

[B]

And as we've discussed, but I'm going to shout it from the mountaintops.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That there is an Exercise, I think, for everybody. People say there's, like, a soul mate.

[A]

Oh. Like a type of exercise.

[B]

We talked about this, but this is my summary. Yes.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I know this isn't new or fresh, but I'm just saying now that I figured out that if you swim. If you swim, but with a snorkel, and you don't have to turn your head and hurt it every. Like, I tried swimming by turning my head, and it hurt so much. Anyway, getting up and swimming in the morning, I love it.

[A]

I feel like you're really on a roll.

[B]

I know, but I really like it. Swimming is like 30 minutes of. That's right. That's right. You caught that flex.

[A]

30 minutes. 30 minutes swimming for 30 minutes. And you started when you started.

[B]

I would swim for, like, five.

[A]

Five minutes. Yeah.

[B]

And then Mike Verbiglia was like, incrementally, get to a point where you can swim for 30 minutes.

[A]

He said that.

[B]

And I was like, and you look like you're about to die, and you're swimming for 30 minutes. You look like you've been shipwrecked for 30 weeks, but you're swimming for.

[A]

I don't know why you have this thing. Like, that's one of your roast areas.

[B]

Is that he looks unwell. Yeah, he looks unwell.

[A]

He doesn't look unwell to me.

[B]

It's because you're updating him. Like, I can see you like the build, the we character in your head. You made him tanner. No, you fix his posture.

[A]

I think the only thing that you're basing that on is that he's pale and that we know that he eats pizza all the time.

[B]

Yeah, he's pale, but he looks like he hasn't had a cup of water in a few days.

[A]

Well, I guess there is a specific sort of New York style unwellness.

[B]

Yeah, there's a New York. Well, I just talked to Santino. Remember? We were like, New York is like hamster tubes. Like, everything's hamster tubes.

[A]

You're not getting enough sunlight. You're basically being inside all.

[B]

And if you do go outside. Outside, you're gonna be accosted by some guy that's wearing a timeout New York, like, captain's hat. It's a folded timeout New York into a child's captain's house.

[A]

I forgot about newspaper hats.

[B]

Newspaper hats.

[A]

Where'd you pull them from?

[B]

No, it's been a weird portal this time.

[A]

It has been.

[B]

The portal's been.

[A]

I think. I think Mike Braviglia.

[B]

I love Mike.

[A]

Is looking well.

[B]

I Think he's great. And he's the one that said 30 minutes. Anyway, what I didn't know about swimming that I love so much is that, like, it's really quiet. All you hear is the water, and all you hear is your breathing. And I asked the robot, I was like, why is swimming the best exercise? It went on for a really long time. And one of the reasons was because it's meditative. And I was like, this is the.

[A]

Best work and exercise. And it's quiet.

[B]

And you'll process something, too. There's something you're grinding on. And by the end of the swim, because, like. Like every other type of exercise I've done, I was probably watching something, Right. And then it became, like, linked to, well, how good is the thing you're watching? And sometimes it would stink. And what. You know what I mean, right?

[A]

And you're. You're dissociated when you're watching, so you're not really connecting. The whole point of exercising is getting into your body.

[B]

I completely agree for some. And swimming is so great. And I just wanted to say that because it's been changing my life, and people have been going, like, something's weird. Like, they're noticing that I look healthy.

[A]

Nice.

[B]

And it's not necessarily weight loss. It's just kind of like, what's going on? And I'm like. And I know exactly what they mean.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So here we are. It's July. June. I thought it was July. It's June. And I just. Little reminder. It's out there.

[A]

Well. And so I'm sort of having a correction moment because. And I think I go back and forth when I'm feeling really good. Then I'm all of a sudden more social, and I'm a little bit more lenient in, like, what I'm eating.

[B]

And in the summer.

[A]

Well, just when I'm feeling good. And see in seasons when I'm feeling good, so I'm like, all right, I'm going to dinner parties and I'm gonna.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We went to our friend's house last night, and our friend was making pizza. And like, I, you know, I'm gluten free, and I ate a bunch of pizza with gluten and I drink red wine. Like, these things that I know make me feel like shit.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then today was sort of. I've been doing more of that behavior lately. And this. It always hits a certain point for me. This is boring. I know it's almost boring, but it always hits a certain point for me where I Go like, okay, now I can feel that this is making me less alive. It's gone past the point of, like, ooh, I'm, like, living la vida loca. To, like, now. Today was such a sweet, sentimental morning because it's Leela's last day of kindergarten. And I was like. Even I. We took pictures and did all of that. And then I went to my dance class. And all through that, even throughout my dance class, I was like, I feel very numb. Like, I don't feel here.

[B]

This is the second half of life where you just go like, all the things that I. Because they were neutral. Because your body was invincible.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And then you actually get the real data.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You realize you were just so jacked and juiced on being young.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You didn't notice.

[A]

And I do think that those things as treats are great. I think nights under bistro lights where you're eating pizza and drinking red wine with friends is lovely. But, like, I had done was starting to become more of, like, an every weekend thing as opposed to just, like, an everyday look.

[B]

I couldn't relate more obviously. We could call this. Food addicts made it weird.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But, like, it's our thing. And I. One of the things that I feel like Christmas, winter. We go like, well, it's winter and it's Christmas. It's Thanksgiving and it's Christmas and it's New Year's, and it's. It's time to pack it on. It's cold. Even if you live in California, it's like. It's cold. It's gloomy. The fucking eagle flies through the sun. You're just like. It's just. You need to eat.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What I'm saying is like a breakup when you're like, well, I can't break up with them now because it's their birthday in two weeks.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

There's always a. I can't do it around Valentine's Day. Like, it's like in the inverse. There's always some cultural excuse to eat. It's summer, and now it's barbecue time.

[A]

And to drink, which I don't typically drink that much, but I'm finding myself just again, because I usually don't drink very much because I consider my mental health to be not fragile, but just, like, very sensitive and is affected by the things that I put in my body. But then if I go through a long season where I'm feeling really good and really sturdy, I start to be like, well, then I can drink again.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then I hit a wall. Like, I did Today where I'm like, no, it matters. I should be moving my body. I went and like, did the whole opposite. Like, I got green juice and a bunch of supplements. And yeah, I was like, we gotta kick this back in into gear.

[B]

Yeah. And that's just the system we're working.

[A]

And that's balance too. I guess. Like, you know, ideally, I guess balance would be a every single day you're balanced kind of thing. But that never has worked that way for me. And I don't know if it does work that way. I think it's more like, like seasonal cyclical. Cyclical.

[B]

Nice. Thank you, Scytheback. It's funny you mentioned an Australian and I thought you meant our friend Sam. And Sam said something to me and it took me a really long time to figure out that she was absolutely correct. And I think it is an ADD thing. I'm not saying Sam. I don't know. She might have it. I definitely have all of it. But for some reason, doctors couldn't find it. Even my ADD wouldn't hold still long enough for them to be like, there it is. It's like scattering around like a cockroach. And they're like, we don't know what's wrong with you.

[A]

Well, you do have adhd, but you are, are also gifted. Love this high processing.

[B]

Dude, dude, dude, dude.

[A]

That was better. Dude, you're not gifted at everything. But.

[B]

No, that's very good.

[A]

But no. And it makes up for your ADHD anyway.

[B]

Oh, I like that. It's like two. That's like a chocolate vanilla swirl.

[A]

That's what it was. Your ADHD asked. Can't remember what the doctor said, but I'll tell you.

[B]

She.

[A]

She said tests that you took. No, the, the brain scan revealed adhd, but the tests that you took didn't. And that's because your high processing sort of made up for it, compensated for it.

[B]

I don't like that. Well, dude, where were we?

[A]

You are talking about the exercising. Think of it as like a. Oh.

[B]

So Sam said, thank you. Sam said, that's how gifted I am. Sam said, think of everything in 24 hour increment increments. And that really works for add people. Is instead of like, I used to think I was like, okay, I want to exercise three times a week, right? It. That breaks me because then I know I'm not exercising every day, right? And then I just will go, well, well, today is my day off. And then the next day, like, I can't, like there's no time. And then it just goes Away. And now I'm like, I really value what she said. And she said it very offhandedly. It's like, just look at everything you want to do every day. Yeah, I want to eat healthy today, or I want to feel good today, or I want to meditate today, or I want to read today, or I want to create today. I want to write today. And I want to exercise just today. Because I don't like planning. I don't want to go like, well, Friday is my. You know when my cheat day is? Whenever the friends are having the pizza at night. Last night, that's the cheat day. You know what the exercise day is today? Yeah, we had a. Not very much going on today, so it was easy to find that time. I know some people have to be more regimented and that for their brain reasons and for their schedule reasons, but I'm really just going like, the goal is to exercise every day, and the schedule will build in days off. And that is completely true. And the goal is to eat relatively healthy every day, and the schedule will build in cheat days. I don't have to go like, Thursday is my cheat day, right?

[A]

Yeah, it does.

[B]

Here's my little breakthrough. Breakthrough from therapy. And then we'll get out of here.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

This was a lot.

[A]

This was a lot.

[B]

This was ranch hose. Cucamonga, Lake Winnipe. It's like, Pal and I are going to speak in our private language right now. Cucamonga.

[A]

If you know lake, then you are a friend for life.

[B]

What about Bob?

[A]

Yeah. Oh, wow. He came up again.

[B]

Came up again.

[A]

Also, Rancho Cucamonga is a place. But I also. Whenever I hear that, I think of Michael Scott, Steve Carell talking to a kid. It was like, take your daughter to work day. And it's Toby's daughter. And he. It's clearly like a real moment where he's, like, trying to make this kid laugh. And he has a train, and he's like, next up, Rancho Kamonga. And it's very cute.

[B]

And it works, right? The kid left. I hope so. Anyway. I'm trying to think of how to share this. A breakthrough. The therapy has been hard lately.

[A]

Like, you're getting into the meat of.

[B]

It, really for real, and you start dreading it and you want to cancel it and all these things. But then, you know, you have to push through. And that's what we've been doing. And today I was just thinking about, like, so much of this stuff is like, family, obviously, like parents, and what is your obligation to your parents and that. And I Realized that I have this huge feeling of, like, you have to, like, get along with your family, be a close family. Remember when we were listening to Malcolm Gladwell's podcast, and he was saying the two credentials for his assistant. One were like, you know, tenacity, and the other one was, you have to be nice to my parents?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I was like, that's so sweet. We love that in our culture. And, of course, with good reason. We love and trust people that have close relationships with their parents. Like, in the same way. I don't know if trust is quite right, but there's that moment on Mad Men. I talked about this in therapy as well, where, you know, Don meets Betty's parents, or he's with Betty's parents, and Betty Draper's dad is, like, a little senile, and so he's just kind of saying things you shouldn't, and he's yelling at Don Draper. You have no people. I know I've mentioned this before, so I really, for the first time, considered like, oh, it's not just me. I think my parents, too, were kind of going, like, you need to be close with your parents to fit in. Remember I told you I asked my dad, why do you go to church? And he said, to be normal.

[A]

Right.

[B]

That's, like, a pretty big bomb to drop. It's like, I'm trying to be normal.

[A]

Right. And your mom. The same thing. She said that she. She went to church because it was like, what the.

[B]

What are you, a weirdo? Or like.

[A]

No, it was like. It was a class thing. It was like, that's what.

[B]

Right.

[A]

What wealthier people did.

[B]

Belonging and. But even that isn't what they said. They were like, it's what you do.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And all of it was, like, optics. And it was, like, really making me think, like, how much of my relationship with my parents is driven by this obligation protector that's like. Like, you're supposed to look like. I feel, you know, when I do stand up about my parents and it doesn't work, I come back and I'm, like, encased in shame. Like, I'm like, I risked it, and now they know I'm bad, and they're gonna outcast me. So I was uncovering, like, because, like, if you don't vibe with your folks very much, that could be true. Why then do you feel so obligated? And I was going back, I was like, it's because you want to look healthy.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You don't want to be outcast. You want to seem. It's the same reason why you go to church? For my folks. It's like, to fit in. So there's that line in American Psycho where he says, why do you even go to that job? Your father owns the company. And he takes one earphone off and he goes, because I want to fit in. And I was like, why do I relate to these movies so much? My unconscious is always speaking to me in the movies. It's showing me the movies that it chose. I really feel like it chose them. And then it throws them back at me like dreams and goes, I've been screaming this at you this whole time. So the best one is There Will Be Blood. Obviously, my favorite movie in There Will Be Blood, Daniel Plainview pretends to have a son to sell more oil contracts. He lies about having a son because he wants to fit in. He wants to seem normal so he'll be accepted so he can, like, sell his services and then get the fuck away from everybody. That's obviously the heartbreaking reality of that movie. My father's. I'm not saying that's what my dad did, but I'm just saying, like, my dad's oil company was called JJ Holmes and Sons. It's like, look, I have two sons.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So it's this very, like, outward performative thing. Then I was like, the thing that I'm really uncovering that's so tender. And, you know, tender is the right word about my relationship with my folks, is there isn't a lot of reciprocity. There isn't. Like, we've talked about this a million back and forth, like, true relationship vulnerability, sharing, caring, remembering, containing, seeing, beholding. That's sort of lacking. But I have this protector in me that's still going, like, you have to seem like, even if it's not true. Like, look like it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then they. We had this beautiful thing where we were talking to this part of me, and I was, like, thinking about Leela and going to this pizza night last night and hanging out with friends and. And. And. And we were talking about Jay Jordan just did the podcast, and it'll be out in a couple weeks. And he's a gay man. And how I've always related so fiercely to the. To the arc of a lot of gay people's stories, which is finding found family. You know what I mean? It's like coming into their truth, realizing their needs and their identity, and then surrounding themselves with people that nurture and whether or not it's their birth family or not. I was like, I've always been so blown away by that. But I'm also kind of guilty of thinking that. That, like a bandage, like, it's not. It's not real. It's not the same.

[A]

Yeah, I feel like I've seen you feel that way.

[B]

I'm like, yeah, great. Found family. Like, there's a clearly a part of me that's hesitant, and I think I found that part, and it was beautiful. And I started talking to it about just like last night and Lela running around with her friends and swimming in this little pool and all of us laughing and eating pizza together and how supported and seen and celebrated and all of this. All of this reciprocity and like. Like a revelation. I know it's not a revelation to everybody listening because you can see my life as it is. I can't. So I have to go. Like, look, it's been comically corrected. It's been absurdly corrected. You're drowning in it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Everywhere. Everywhere you look. And of course, you're a huge part of this, Val. The biggest part. And Leland playing games at dinner and going for walks or whatever it is. None of it is fancy. It's all just beholding. It's tenderness. And it is this family, obviously. It's literally a family with us. And then the friends are this family. And then I said to this part that we were calling obligation, you have to go and appear. At least appear this way. You can't not visit or you can't not whatever. And it was so old and tired and brittle, this part. It was like a piece of Sheetrock that had started to turn white and flaky. And I was like, you're so, you know, consistent and strong and noble. And I was like, protect this.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

I was like, I see. You can wrap around, like, sheetrock and protect family and relationship and trust and joy. And, like, that's good. We should want that. But, like, don't go to the hardware store for milk. And let's just be honest about this is a up upgrade. I even hesitate to say that because clearly I'm not fully worked out on this.

[A]

Yeah, you're.

[B]

But you're like, you can keep doing what you're doing, but just protect this. Protect something that's worthy of your protect. Not because it's. And it does feel intergenerational. It's like, not because that's just what you do.

[A]

Right.

[B]

It's just what we do. It's just what we do. It's just what we do. It's like, it really feels like a cycle breaking kind of like, no, I'm gonna. I'm gonna flood you with water and clean you and get you up out of the dirt and you can actually protect something that is all of the things that it's supposed to be. Or that. Yeah. That are beautiful.

[A]

That's so. That's so beautiful. I love that. And it is sort of interesting. Like, the obligation, you know, it's like the difference between, like, it's like, obligation isn't inherently bad. It's the difference between having an obligation that you're doing in spite of your own well being.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

Or an obligation towards the things that there is this reciprocity. And it's like, I have an obligation to my family and that feeds me.

[B]

And I don't want to teach Leela how to toe the line and protect things that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Should let them. Let them be what they are.

[A]

Right. Yeah.

[B]

And I was like, we're always really honest with my parts. And I'm like, I just want to acknowledge their family. It's hard to say directly, but it's like, there's family that, like, don't match the credential for a relationship with us. It's like an old program.

[A]

Yeah, that's right.

[B]

Here's what we are looking for. And it doesn't really happen here.

[A]

It doesn't match.

[B]

We don't have to be mad at it. I'm just saying it doesn't. And I was like, I want you to know that I feel like a new computer trying to run software. It barely runs.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

And then like. Like Theranos. Like, that sounds completely random. We pretend.

[A]

I'm thinking about that today.

[B]

We really.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Weird.

[A]

Crazy.

[B]

We pretend that our blood sampling software works. We just need you on the tour to leave the room while the magic blood sampling machine does its thing. And what we're actually doing is taking it into a real lab and doing actual work with full blood samples and then making it look like it came out of the machine. We're faking it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because it's about what it looks like. And I was like, no, just the real. Let's just. And we have it. We have it. And I even use nonviolent communication. I was like. I was feeling sad because my need for relationship wasn't being met. And that really opens it up to go. Like, you can get it from chosen family. Like, what? What? Of course you can. You think every. And we have a lot of unfortunately gay friends that weren't received very well by their families. You think they're like, lives are somehow degraded. Like, they're so broken.

[A]

Right.

[B]

They could never get it from their. From their partners and from their children and from their friends. It's like, that is not. I'm still working on it because it's hard for me to be like, that's not true.

[A]

No, no, truly.

[B]

But it would have to not be true. It could be true.

[A]

No, it's not true. Because, like, science has shown that we can reparent each other, that our brains stay malleable our whole lives. And when it's getting something that it didn't get or doesn't get from our parents, it. It can rewire based on new information of that need being met. So it actually, like, is like, neurologically true that you make new connections of, oh, I can be in a bad mood or I can be too much or I can be too little or whatever, and these people really see me. And that happens over and over, and it creates new pathways. So that's like the less romantic, more scientific, you know, proof. But that is true. That's why, like, chosen family actually works.

[B]

Right, Right, right. And it actually hurts both ways when you think it can only come from birth family because it. Because, like, then I feel like I'm the only one that can give it to them. And that's how this exploration started with nonviolent parent, nonviolent communication. Because it was like. Like when a parent says, I'm only happy when I'm with you, it's like, well, that's. That's accusatory. It's. It's putting all of this power on me. It's like I'm feeling lonely or I'm feeling sad because my need for connection and tenderness and love and kinship and community isn't being met instead of, you're the only one. So it hurts both ways.

[A]

Right?

[B]

And I'm trying to go like, I was like, there's so much about being in my birth family that feels like a show, and it's exhausting and it's sad, and it's like, let's just update the file and protect the goodness that we have growing here. And it's still, as I'm saying this, I'm like, it's a miracle that we have it.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

It's a miracle.

[A]

It's a miracle.

[B]

It's a miracle.

[A]

It's. It's such a. It. Yeah. And that sort of is, you know, where the. The full cycle of processing this stuff always naturally ends up. It's very beautiful where it's, you know, it's Sort of going into the cave, you don't want to go into detangling, pulling out the roots, seeing what the parts are, looking at the parts clearly. Then, like you said, you know, sort of either letting a protector or a part know, like, thank you for your service. You. You don't have to do this anymore. Or re. Rehiring them for a new position. Like, you know, do exactly what you do, but do it here. Protect this, do this. You know, working through all of that and. And sort of getting to. Usually once you realize that a need is there, often when you realize that a need is being met by something else, by someone else, there actually is grief because it's sort of. You now feel safe to grieve that these people didn't meet it.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Because it's met now. You know what I mean? So you can actually really. People are often surprised that it's like. But I'm thinking about how I'm getting this from my friends or I've gotten this from these father figures or whatever, but I feel really sad because I. And I've faced this before too, where I'm like, but it's not the people that I wanted to do it. And the only thing to do with that is to just honor that longing. As my therapist would say, just allow, like. Right, of course. And the needs are met and it's. It's both things are true and we wish it was them. And the needs are met.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know, and you can hold both.

[B]

It can never be. Not the full picture for me to be fully satisfying.

[A]

Exactly. And then almost always the very next thing is like, whoa. And it's being met, and there's just this. You don't even have to force it. It's just this natural gratitude that comes out. It's like, you saw me go through it and we talked about it a little bit on the podcast. When Leela got stung by a wasp and had an allergic reaction, it was like all of these feel. Well, first it was sort of just like not going into the cave because I couldn't yet because I was taking care of her. And then, like, once she was fine having the grief that had pooled of, like, what could have been or how bad it could have gotten, or just the fact that this fragile being is in this world and I care so much that she's okay, you know, and really, really grieving that. And then naturally not forcing it. The very next feeling was like, thank God for modern medicine, for those specific nurses, for cars that drive us to the emergency Room for like. Like just. It just happens. That's why. That's sort of the flaw too, in like toxic positivity, where it's like a type of self help that I think for the most part has been exposed at this point. But that's like people who are, you know, just jump. Trying to jump to the gratitude. And it's like the gratitude will naturally.

[B]

Come emerge 1, 2.

[A]

After you've really, really made a home in the grief for a bit.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And settled into it.

[B]

I had that. It's funny that you brought up the wasp incident because I was talking to these protectors in my psyche and they're all like, they're very decisive and they're very like, scoop up the kid and get out. And they're very, like, strategic and. And fierce. Hyper masculine. Like, like, this is bad. We're getting you out.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's like Terminator. Come with me if you want to live. They grab you and they go and they're. And sometimes they overreact. And that's. That's what the therapy or, you know, they don't know exactly what's going on. And. But I was making peace with an aspect of my protector and. And how fierce and sort of reactive and strong they can be. And I was trying to understand this part of me, and it hit me. I was like, oh, you drove the car when Leela was stung by the bee and I didn't have to look for it. I was like, what are you for? And it was like, I drove the car. And I was like, oh, yeah, you drove the car.

[A]

Oh, thank God for that protector. I know personally feel grateful to me. Too specific.

[B]

And it felt like a different. It was like carved out of stone or something. It was a very stoic. I know stone isn't stoic, but I just mean it sounds similar. It's fun. I like it. I'm gonna go with it. But it was like, yeah, you can't. These parts of you are for something. That's why this. Today's session of going like, here's this weird brittle foundation that says you gotta go back and see him for Christmas. And you're like, ah. And then you realize it. It's trying to help. And then you update it and say, help like this. Or you're going like, I don't know why you're always so fierce. And it's like, well, here's why. And you go, oh, that's good. That's appropriate. You belong on the team. We just need to get everybody facing the same direction.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Therapy.

[A]

Therapy. Hashtag therapy.

[B]

Hashtag therapy. Internal family systems. Do it.

[A]

Great work, baby. Proud of you.

[B]

Thanks, chicken head.

[A]

Nope. Let's play that flute.

[B]

Oh, yeah, let's. Let's end how we began, with me trying to play the State Farm. I'm gonna really try like a gun to my head.

[A]

Just to remind you it's. Wait, wait, wait. I know, I know, but I think it'll be funnier to hear it.

[B]

Okay, go ahead.

[A]

For the people who don't know, maybe.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

It's. Wow.

[B]

How did I do it?

[A]

First try.

[B]

When I say I don't. I don't think I could do it again.

[A]

Well, let's try.

[B]

No, that was. I don't. It was a total.

[A]

That was amazing.

[B]

I don't know how to do it. Yep.

[A]

Wow. Just ended it on a high note.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

All right.

[B]

And if you ever need to poop, think of this. Somebody. It was the wrong riff. Thanks, everybody. We're so glad you were here. Valerie, keep it crispy.