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Hey there, it's Julia Louis Dreyfus. I'm back with a new season of Wiser Than Me, the show where I sit down with remarkable older women and soak up their stories, their humor, and their hard earned wisdom. Every conversation leaves me a little smarter and definitely more inspired. And yes, I'm still calling my 91 year old mom Judy to get her take on it all. Wiser Than Me from Lemonade Media premieres November. Wherever you get your podcasts.

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It'S morning in New York. Hey, everybody, I'm Mandy Patinkin.

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And I'm Kathryn Grody. And we have a new podcast, it's.

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Called don't listen to Us.

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Many of you have asked for our advice.

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Tell me, what is wrong with you people. Don't listen to us. Our take it or leave it advice.

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Show is out every Wednesday, premiering October 15th.

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A Lemonada Media original. Lemonada. You made it weird with Pete Holmes.

A (1:31)

What's happening, weirdos? You stepped on my line.

B (1:34)

What's happening, weirdos?

A (1:36)

I have one job.

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You have one job. And I almost. Well, it's because it's a re release. It's not a. We made it weird with regrets. Yeah, with some serious regrets.

A (1:47)

Sure. You're sure?

B (1:48)

Well, Val and I are traveling. We're going to New York. So if you actually hear this the day it comes out, My show at Town hall is tonight. My show in New Jersey, in Atlantic City at Harrah's Resort is tomorrow. So I'm on these. We are both on the East Coast.

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I'm there.

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You're there, baby.

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I'm there, baby.

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Mama's coming out. Mama doesn't care.

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Summary

Podcast Summary: You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

Episode: We Made It Weird #232

Date: November 14, 2025

Host: Pete Holmes
Co-Host: Valerie (Val)

Main Theme & Purpose

This episode—originally intended as a re-release—becomes a spontaneous, in-the-moment conversation between Pete Holmes and his wife and frequent co-host, Val. The show centers on their relationship dynamic, communication styles, emotional patterns (especially around conflict and sensitivity), how their creative and personal rhythms mesh or clash, and reflections on self-love and creating comedy. As always, the tone is warm, irreverent, deeply personal, and frequently veers into silly riffs, tender admissions, and self-aware humor.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Behind-the-Scenes Relationship Dynamics

Setting the Scene:
Pete and Val explain they're recording late at night, just before a big trip to New York for Pete’s shows, leading to tiredness and stress.
Conflict Deconstruction:
They break down a recent micro-argument about when to record the podcast, using it as a springboard to discuss communication differences, emotional wiring, and the needs of creative/intense personalities.
- Pete describes getting thrown off when his “momentum” is interrupted (especially by logistics or alternative suggestions).
- Val needs cocooning and is sensitive to last-minute plan changes.

"I have a certain special purpose...it's a gift, it's a calling." – Pete, reflecting on having ADD and his creative focus (06:36)

2. ADD, Sensitivity, and Creative Life

Pete’s Sensitivities:
Pete draws analogies to having a “little flickering flame” of mania/motivation that feels easily extinguished by interruptions, logistics, or dissent—a dynamic that both he and Val sometimes struggle with.
Val’s Perspective:
Val emphasizes her need for setup and comfort (“I need to feel like I’m set up...even watching 30 Rock, I need my thing”).
Both are highly sensitive and creative; discussions highlight how these features help and hinder both artistic life and partnership.

"I'm such a finicky bitch...if I'm like 'it's time to make a cake' and you're like, 'let's clean up the car first'—the cake is gone." – Pete (07:27)

3. The Anatomy of Couple Fights ("Lovers' Spit-take")

Why We Provoke Each Other:
Both admit to sometimes poking or guilt-tripping the other during spats—often out of a subconscious desire to have the other person “feel bad” too.
Manipulation & Vulnerability:
Pete jokes about almost deploying tears for effect (but not being that “evil”), while Val analyzes her own motivations around mentioning things like unwashed dishes.
Timing Conflicts:
Val tells a formative story about wanting to rest over spring break and her mom’s last-minute plans (47:03), linking it to adult frustrations over disrupted downtime.

"I want to hurt you, you want to hurt me...my coup de grace was the tears that weren't anywhere near coming, but I could feel they're on deck." – Pete (13:19)

4. Gender, Friendship & Self-Analysis

Friendships Across Genders:
Pete ponders his comfort around women, admitting he feels most at ease with female comedians (as “fellow warriors”).
Family Dynamics:
Pete and Val discuss patterns rooted in their relationships with their mothers—each had a mom who poured everything into the family, which colors their desires to maintain individuality outside parenthood.

"The ones you have the hardest time with are friends that remind you of your mother." – Val (30:06)

5. Thirds in Relationships & Keeping Romance Alive

Romantic Health:
The couple appreciates Esther Perel's idea of the “third” (an outside energy that invigorates a relationship, not necessarily romantic/sexual). Sometimes the “third” is Pete’s career, sometimes a celebrity, sometimes just imagination.
Playfulness:
They riff on sharing crushes, impersonating fantasy lovers, and how these things bring spark, laughter, and intimacy.

"I think it is a real key to keeping our love alive." – Val, on their flirty, role-play dynamic (37:33)

6. Sensitivity as a Feature of Artistry

Creative Temperament:
Pete references Eddie Murphy’s documentary (25:26, 58:55), using Murphy’s sensitivity as evidence that intense feelings power comedy and artistry.
Their Daughter’s Sensitivity:
The couple describes a mini-incident with their daughter getting upset when applauded at the wrong moment, seeing it as a generational throughline for “sensitive artist types.”

7. Self-Love & Nostalgia

Watching Old Vines:
Pete recounts watching a YouTube compilation of his old Vine videos and being overcome with joy and laughter. Val and her brother marvel at Pete’s ability to truly love his own work.
Reflection:
They encourage artists and self-expressive folks to find delight in their creations, not just critical distance.

"I thought I knew what people meant when they said they loved themselves, but I wasn't even scratching the surface." – Val’s brother, after seeing Pete laugh at his own Vines (70:20)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

On ADD and Cooking Metaphors
"If I'm like, it's time to make a cake, and you're like, 'let's clean up the car first.' The cake is gone."
– Pete (07:27)
On Relationship Spats
"I want to hurt you, you want to hurt me...my coup de grace was the tears that weren't anywhere near coming, but I could feel they're on deck."
– Pete (13:19)
On Friendship with Women
"I can't be friends with breasts...I'm telling you, there's something very sleeper-ingrained in me."
– Pete (27:45, self-aware and comedic)
On Keeping Romance Alive
"I think it is a real key to keeping our love alive."
– Val (37:33)
On Parenting & Creative Fulfillment
"There’s no greater burden a parent can put on a child than the unfulfilled dream of the parent."
– Pete (41:58)
Val on Change of Plans Anxiety
"I don’t love a last minute change of plan. Especially when the plan is to relax."
– Val (45:20)
On Sensitivity and Artistic Temperament
"The most sensitive person is the best...Leela, obviously, her whole life is a work of art."
– Pete (59:12)
On Self-Love and Comedy
"I thought I knew what people meant when they said they loved themselves, but I wasn't even scratching the surface."
– Val's brother (70:20)

Timestamps for Key Segments

Opening/Set up – Inside their day & recording context: 01:31–05:15
Relationship conflict & communication differences: 03:44–15:25
ADD, sensitivity, and creative routines: 05:15–12:23
Discussion on spats/manipulation/emotional patterns: 12:09–16:28
Gender & comedic friendships: 27:37–31:34
Parenthood, creativity, and individuality: 41:58–45:44
Val’s spring break story / sensitivity to plan changes: 45:13–48:18
Revelations about 'special needs' and hyper-sensitivity: 55:09–58:10
Parenting, legacy, and creative 'pain bodies': 58:21–61:22
Nostalgia: watching old Vines & discussion of self-love: 66:32–71:16

Final Thoughts

The episode is a masterclass in real-time, good-humored couple’s therapy for creative weirdos. Pete and Val dissect their “spit-take” of a nightly argument, explore what it means to be in love as sensitive, divergent thinkers, and ultimately celebrate the joys of loving oneself, one's craft, and one another—even when sharing a life gets a little weird.

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We Made It Weird #232 (Not a re-release!)