We Made It Weird #247

Summary

You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes
Episode: We Made It Weird #247
Date: April 17, 2026
Host: Pete Holmes
Guest/Co-Host: Nate

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Episode Overview

This episode of "We Made It Weird" explores the quirks of daily life, creative processes, aging, self-reflection, and the ever-unfolding oddities of podcasting culture. Pete Holmes and Nate engage in a freewheeling, comedic, and often philosophical conversation touching on everything from “dirty smoothie blenders” and the representation of podcasts in media, to therapy breakthroughs, creative burnout, and the comedic intricacies of 90’s pop culture.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Secret Weirdness of Podcasting

• Timestamps: [03:37]–[10:13]
• Pete and Nate poke fun at the saturation of the podcast world, likening it to "idiots with microphones."
• They observe how TV fails to authentically represent the podcasting experience, contrasting it with how radio was so effortlessly depicted.
  • Quote: "There's a mystique to it...now we realize you can buy a couple mics on Amazon and you can have a podcast, and now the cat's out of the bag. Podcasting is just idiots. It's microphoned idiots." – Pete [08:56]
• Discussion about parodying podcasts on TV, particularly in “The Comeback,” and how even television struggles to mimic the genuine flow and messiness of actual podcasting.

2. Media Metacommentary: ‘The Comeback’ and AI in TV

• Timestamps: [09:12]–[15:06]
• The hosts analyze "The Comeback" season 3, highlighting its AI writing plot and critiquing the unrealism of AI-driven scripts getting as far as a table read.
  • Pete pushes back on the plausibility, emphasizing how real shows would spot blatant AI hallucinations (“Mario from Mario Brothers is in the room”).
  • Quote: "My boring ass show is someone reads it and goes, this is a mistake. But...storytelling will bend quite a ways to get to the moment." – Pete [18:58]
• Reflection on comedy writing: bending reality for strong comedic scenes, referencing "Curb Your Enthusiasm" and "White Lotus.”

3. Dirty Blenders, Smoothie Rituals, and Irritations

• Timestamps: [16:35]–[24:42]
• The “dirty blender” incident from "White Lotus" triggers a hilarious and self-reflective run about personal cleanliness hypocrisy.
  • Pete identifies with the "dirty blender" complaints but admits he too leaves flaxseed remnants in his blender.
  • Quote: "Now whenever I think I really feel strongly about something...I go, dirty smoothie, dirty blender." – Pete [22:34]
• Comedic riff on how making smoothies becomes annoying to everyone except the maker, and parallels to playing music on the beach.
• The “dirty blender” becomes a metaphor for personal blindspots, with Nate pointing out Pete’s sound sensitivity while being objectively loud himself.

4. Aging, Health, and Daily Rituals

• Timestamps: [29:35]–[33:49]
• Discussion of health routines, Pete’s smoothie ingredients (flaxseed, blueberries, cinnamon), longevity, and supplemental advice.
• Aging anxieties surface: Nate reflects on the age gap between her and Pete, expressing gratitude for his self-care and its impact on their family.
  • Quote: "I don't want to live. I'm not really interested in living a day without you." – Nate [32:30]

5. Family Dynamics, Therapy, and Parts Work

• Timestamps: [33:49]–[41:08]
• Deep dive into emotional healing through “parts work” therapy; moving past talking about parental issues to genuinely processing them.
  • Quote: "Therapy isn’t...just talking about problems. It’s actually, like, clearing stuff." – Pete [33:49]
  • Pete’s insight: Therapy revealed that real healing occurred only after acknowledging and feeling his pain, not just intellectually understanding it.
  • Metaphor: “Those worms are the motherfucking bait you use to catch the fish of forgiveness, bitch.” – Pete [40:08]
• Nate shares the importance of validating childhood feelings before arriving at empathy for parents.

6. Creative Process: Highs, Lows & Staying in the Flow

• Timestamps: [49:46]–[63:15]
• Nate describes directing and acting in a short film: the immediate thrill and post-project crash. Both discuss the “dopamine dip” after creative highs.
  • Quote: "You get a flare up of an idea and then the job becomes, then you do it ... and then comes this dip...of sometimes it's...you're sad and you don't even believe in the thing anymore." – Pete [56:29]
• Affirmation of embracing all phases (highs and lows) of creative work, and advice for “honoring the you that was excited about it.”
• Discussion about their daughter Leela’s creative temperament, comparing her enthusiasm for new ideas to Pete’s process.
• Contrast between Pete’s love for private, introverted creation, and Nate’s collaborative, community-focused flow.

7. Childhood, Loneliness, and Safety

• Timestamps: [69:47]–[77:10]
• Pete and Nate revisit childhood experiences of safety and attachment.
  • Pete describes visceral memories of feeling exposed around others due to his parents’ quirks (“the Bible” reference).
  • Nate recounts being a latchkey kid, alone after school, and how this influenced her extroversion and need for communal safety.
  • Both reflect on their adult relationships with solitude, safety, and self-care.

8. Lighthearted 90s Pop Culture & TV Tangents

• Timestamps: [78:20]–[81:56]
• Milo banter: callbacks to recurring bits ("And I don’t want to see that"), riffing on "The Comeback," Lisa Kudrow’s genius, and a nostalgic run about Dick Tracy and Madonna’s sexual charisma.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Over-intellectualizing Process:
  "Sometimes when you're looking at a script...you have to go...we're honoring that person who wrote the script. They made this map, and now it's my job to follow the map." – Pete [58:42]

• On Personal Hypocrisy:
  "You are the most sound sensitive person in the world. And you are one of the loudest people in the world." – Nate [22:45]

• Therapy Metaphor:
  "Those worms are the motherfucking bait you use to catch the fish of forgiveness, bitch." – Pete [40:12]

• On Embracing All Creative States:
  “I want my life to be seasonal. I want it to be these highs and the crash and the exhaustion after.” – Nate [55:30]
  “It’s yes, thank you to all of it." – Pete [55:33]

• On Healing Family Patterns:
  “I come from a lineage of people who deny what they want just to take care of people in their lives. So...we’re both finding the healthy versions of where we come from.” – Nate [68:09]

• On Pop Culture Nostalgia:
  "Prime Madonna...she's so gorgeous...and Warren Beatty, you can feel it on the screen." – Pete [80:07]

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Important Timestamps

• Podcasting as “Microphoned Idiots” – [08:56]
• Media Misrepresentations: AI Table Read Rant – [13:28]
• The Dirty Blender Discussion – [17:00]
• Smoothie Hypocrisy Realized – [19:45]
• Health and Longevity – [32:30]
• Therapy, Healing, and Parts Work – [36:57]
• Accepting Creative Highs and Lows – [55:00]
• Childhood Solitude and Safety – [73:48]
• Dick Tracy & Madonna Pop Culture Bit – [80:07]

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Episode Tone and Style

Pete and Nate maintain a lively, candid, and frequently silly tone that pivots easily from self-deprecating humor to sincere self-reflection. The interplay of comedic riffs and vulnerable admissions allows listeners to both laugh at everyday weirdness and draw comfort from their honest explorations of relationships, creativity, and the struggle for personal growth.

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Final Thoughts

This episode encapsulates what fans love about Pete Holmes’ podcasting: exuberant tangents, vulnerability, mutual ribbing, and streams of philosophical insight all woven together with quick-witted jokes and pop culture callbacks. Whether you’re here for the jokes about dirty blenders or the hard-won wisdom of therapy, “We Made It Weird #247” delivers an ever-morphing, original slice of the weirdness that makes life (and podcasting) so rich.

"And until next time, keep it crispy." [81:56]

Transcript

[Pete Holmes]

Lemonade. You made it weird with Pete Holmes.

[Nate]

What's happening, weirdos? I almost said, all right, weirdos.

[Pete Holmes]

What's that?

[Nate]

I don't know. I just forgot how we started the podcast.

[Pete Holmes]

All right, weirdos.

[Nate]

All right, weirdos. Here's an episode.

[Pete Holmes]

I am a broken record, but this one's great.

[Nate]

Yeah. Love this one.

[Pete Holmes]

Every. We made a weird starts with me because we just recorded it.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Unlike the Wednesdays, I'm usually recording the intro weeks later.

[Nate]

He can't remember if they're great or not.

[Pete Holmes]

I don't want to see that.

[Nate]

I don't want to see that. We talk about the comeback.

[Pete Holmes]

We talk about a lot about. Talk about blenders.

[Nate]

We talk about blenders.

[Pete Holmes]

Then we get into some good, good valuable stuff, like healing good stuff and some good laughs. It's a great.

[Nate]

And you know what? I'm just realizing this did not get non dual, even for a second.

[Pete Holmes]

Let me see if you're wrong. Let me see if you're wrong.

[Nate]

I really don't think I am because there's a type of glazed over. I'm just kidding.

[Pete Holmes]

I. I know you're not fully kidding and I. No, no, I appreciate that. I. I say this all the time. Being into non duality has to be like being into NASCAR or wrestling. It's just like you meet someone else wearing a Dale Earnhardt Jr. Shirt.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

You're so excited.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

But the rest of the world, you're like, I know you don't really want to hear about this.

[Nate]

Well, David, Nick Turn, our dear friend and spiritual teacher. He says something about how Buddhists are the worst at a cocktail party.

[Pete Holmes]

Why?

[Nate]

Because of this. Because they don't. Nobody wants to talk about what.

[Pete Holmes]

That's why I want to wear a T shirt that says that just says John Wheeler on it.

[Nate]

Yeah. So somebody.

[Pete Holmes]

Somebody can come up to me.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

If I was at a party and there were every interesting celebrity and one regular person, meaning non celebrity, who loves John Wheeler, I would talk to them way before. I talked to Jennifer Lopez way before.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Any who's a woozle. We're glad you're here. It doesn't get non dual and it's really fun. It's a really great epice. It's a. A really great slice. And we're glad you're here. I'm going to go to my own website, which sounds like a euphemism. The tour dates are all on PeteHomes.com. i'm going to be. Well, that'll already have happened if you're hearing this the day it comes out. I'm in Irving, Texas at the Punchline. Then Largo on the 29th and then followed by Denver. I can't believe that's already here. Oh, I have May off. Nice. So June, no, June 11, I'll be at the Denver Comedy Works, which is always such a thrill. And there's North Carolina, there's South Carolina, there's all the things. And thank you to everybody that came out to Tallahassee. What a sleeper. Great show. Meaning I just didn't. I said it to them. I was like, I didn't know I had fans in Tallahassee and I didn't know there were great comedy people in Tallahassee. They were awesome.

[Nate]

Love it.

[Pete Holmes]

So thank you to everybody. My book spells to cast on your parents is out for pre order now. Means a lot if you want to check that out. And then my special silly silly fun boy is on YouTube.com. i'm not going to say it's a website this time. Check it out. I'm very proud of it. So happy people are finding it. And in the meantime, I'm so glad you're here and I'm so glad I got to spend this time with you.

[Nate]

Yeah, it was great. So why don't you guys go ahead and get into it?

[Pete Holmes]

Nice. Amazon Health AI presents Painful Thoughts.

[Amazon Health AI]

Why did I search the Internet for answers to my cold sore problem?

[Nate]

Now I'm stuck down a rabbit hole

[Amazon Health AI]

filled with images of alarmingly graphic source in various stages of ooze. I can clear my search history, but I can never unsee that.

[Pete Holmes]

Don't go down the rabbit hole. Amazon Health AI gets you the right care fast. Health care just got less painful.

[Nate]

You freestyling?

[Pete Holmes]

Freestyling, yeah. Freestyling. Yeah. I'm gonna free freestyle. I don't think you'd be surprised, but if you were in the car with me, yeah, you'd be surprised how often I'm not freestyling. I'm singing about the fact that I'm about to freestyle.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

The number one. Have we talked about this? Where I go, permit me to bust a really quick freestyle.

[Nate]

I don't know that one.

[Pete Holmes]

I go, permit me to buster. Really quick free freestyle. It's like a Paul Simon kind of Afrikaans. Yeah, Afrikaans choir, You know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Nate]

Is that in Call Me Owl or. Which one is that in? There's like literally one where, where one like one of the African singers is being like a car alarm.

[Pete Holmes]

I mean, then. Yeah. Do we cross a line? If you do the Paul Simon Graceland car alarm. That's like. Because there already is, like, a do, do, do, do. How much of it can you do? I need to get going.

[Nate]

Yeah. I need to hear it again to remember.

[Pete Holmes]

I think that's one of the more interesting areas of intelligence, is when you can tell if something is wrong but you can't do it.

[Nate]

Yes, I think that's true. That's one of the. It's like. You know the thing where it's like, there's what you don't know, there's what you don't know, you don't know, and then there's what you know, you don't know, and then there's what you do know, you don't know.

[Pete Holmes]

I need this to go somewhere. I made the mistake of lending what you were saying so much of my focus.

[Nate]

I know. It's so crazy because so often I'm saying really interesting things, and you never give me that much focus.

[Pete Holmes]

I gave you too much.

[Nate]

Don't, don't, don't.

[Pete Holmes]

No. I loved it. Here's the song you didn't know. Ready?

[Nate]

Okay. And I'm gonna turn on a light because I can't handle it in here.

[Pete Holmes]

Audio only. Audio only. She Leads a Lonely. You don't know the song?

[Nate]

No. She Leads a Lonely Life.

[Pete Holmes]

It's a music podcast now. I'm leaning into the mic. If this was on YouTube would be flagged, which is weird because we're listening to the song.

[Nate]

Oh, my God.

[Pete Holmes]

Where's the chorus? I bet it's the most replayed. Why is that the most replayed? Here it is. Where's she going tomorrow?

[Nate]

I think that I.

[Pete Holmes]

Where's she going tomorrow?

[Nate]

I feel like I literally only know that from, like, the Now CD commercials.

[Pete Holmes]

Can I ask a real question?

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

You're an artist. You're ace of bass. You have a song. All that she wants. Are you happy? You're on Now. Not the first now, when your agent's just calling and. Yeah, it's a cool new CD.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

They're giving you $50,000. It's called now after Now became sort of like a. Now is the Las Vegas residency of CDs.

[Nate]

Now. Now.

[Pete Holmes]

Nothing wrong with the Las Vegas residency, by the way. I am available. Give me a little closet. I can do three people at a time.

[Nate]

Okay.

[Pete Holmes]

It's called Seven Minutes in Heaven. I've been getting kind of hard on other pods, and I'm like, I think it's tipping, like, this idea. This isn't coming from a place of. Oh, we're it definitely is. It definitely is. Oh, we're.

[Nate]

We're.

[Pete Holmes]

No, this was us saying we're original formula.

[Nate]

We're original.

[Pete Holmes]

We're the real thing.

[Nate]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And then I do think, and I think everyone that's listening to this podcast will know this is true. There are amazing new podcasts. I've listened to some smart lists with you. I think it's incredible. So I'm not. In fact, I'm not thinking of any specific show. I do think we're flying too close to the sun as a group. When podcasts, it's like, so the delicious secret of podcasting for so long was like, people don't. There's a mystique to it. Like, it seems like now we realize you can buy a couple mics on Amazon and you can have a podcast, and now the cat's out of the bag. Podcasting is just idiots. It's microphoned idiots.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

I don't think you and I are microphone idiots. I don't think the Wednesday episodes are microphones. Microphone idiots. Not always. But I do think there's just too. I've been on some pods recently that

[Nate]

I'm just like, you have no business.

[Pete Holmes]

What do we do? What is this? What do we have? What is it? What is happening right now?

[Nate]

One of the things that I'm enjoying about the new season of the Comeback, which we're watching.

[Pete Holmes]

Strong feelings.

[Nate]

Strong feelings. But one of the things I'm enjoying about it is her struggling to have a podcast, I'm finding very funny.

[Pete Holmes]

I agree. I. Okay. On. On one hand, I think you're absolutely right. On the other hand, I'm like, even parodying podcasts on TV shows is also just wrong. Luckily for the show, it's wrong. This is what they're trying to communicate.

[Nate]

Yes.

[Pete Holmes]

And when she's like, I think we've done a lot. And she's like, you've done 12 minutes.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And you're like, okay, this is good. This is a nice send up of how every celebrity is trying to have a podcast.

[Nate]

Yeah. I don't know why it. It's. I think it's worth talking about. I don't know why it doesn'. To. So far, we have not figured out in any TV that I've seen how to convey what a podcast really is like when it's being recorded. Because. And what doesn't make sense is before that, we nailed radio stations on tv.

[Pete Holmes]

Yes. One of our favorites. I think we nailed it because on radio, the DJ is over there. He's behind. Or she's behind something.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

They're in, like, their own little. Uh. Yeah, you're on the other side and you know what I mean?

[Nate]

Yeah, but I mean, there's a separation

[Pete Holmes]

of DJ and guest and now, like, which one of these people is hosting sometimes? It's unclear.

[Nate]

Yeah. I think maybe people need to look a little more like scrubs, which is a word that you and I just decided yesterday we're gonna start using.

[Pete Holmes]

I wanna. I wanna work scrubs into the rotation.

[Nate]

But people need to look a little more scrubby, I think.

[Pete Holmes]

What do you mean?

[Nate]

Like, people are looking totally done up, perfectly lit with headphones over their perfect hair while they're recording a podcast.

[Pete Holmes]

The problem is their video podcast. So they might. They might do that.

[Nate]

But I don't think what I. Well, I guess hers is a video podcast. Yeah. But I'm thinking of. And just like that, when they did a podcast. Also, I've only watched the pilot, but nobody wants this. That felt like they were doing a podcast. And you're like, these. These women would not be this made up if they were doing a podcast.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, that is a nice little hack. It's like, can we just get everybody Step down And, you know, I feel that way. On Crashing, I used to get really upset when people would get haircuts. We'd cast them and then they'd get a haircut and we're like, but I cast you as this, like, yeasty bro.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And now you look nice.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

I'm glad you're going to call your nana and be like, I'm on the show and I look handsome. But I wanted you to look really shitty because that would look so nice. I was just texting with Pat Walsh, not feeling it. Of not feeling it. Fame about the Comeback. And it's an interesting. It's a needle to thread. They're tackling AI.

[Nate]

Needle to thread. Needle to thread.

[Pete Holmes]

You know, I've been in some E. Smith lately. I've been rolling on E. Smith. Loving Ecstasy Smith.

[Nate]

Yes.

[Pete Holmes]

But talking about, like. So this is no spoiler. You'll still be able to enjoy the Comeback season three. But she's on a multicam sitcom that is being written by AI. And I'm like, this is great. What a great premise. Premise. It's like, why do a third season while they're going to be addressing AI?

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And I understand. I think it's a great show. It's always funny when somebody like me who didn't have the success that the Comeback has is like, giving them notes. So I Just want to acknowledge that.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

But as a fan, not even as a TV person, just as a fan, I'm like, AI is a really tricky thing to try and skewer or even represent. But they go like, the. The thing where they lost me was when she's on the sitcom, it's being written by AI. They get to the table read of the second episode, and there's a character from a video game in the show. It's basically like a character from Uncharted is in the show for some reason, and it's because the AI was hallucinating. Now, I understand that a lot of people don't know that AI hallucinates and can make really outrageous errors, but we're like being asked to consider a show a script that got to table read and no one even glanced at it. And this is their proof of concept. You're gonna have a human being read it.

[Nate]

I hear you.

[Pete Holmes]

And they were building the set. I was just like, I get it. They're trying to increase the drama and the stakes and make something happen. My boring ass show is someone reads it and goes, this is a mistake. But, like, so maybe I could learn from them. But I'm just like, the cat's out of the bag. We know how TVs made, and we can't be doing a table read where we're like. And then Mario from Mario Brothers is in the room. And it's like, someone would have caught that.

[Nate]

I hear you, but I also don't think everybody does know how TV is made. People don't know, like, you do the table days before, and you, you know, And I also think there is something in it.

[Pete Holmes]

Well, they were making the set, which. Which was bugging me too. You don't make the set until like, two days after the table read. That's why you have a table read. And they're like, we're building the set. And it's like, you wouldn't do that.

[Nate]

But also, people don't know that. And now they do.

[Pete Holmes]

People that listen to this podcast and

[Nate]

it is sort of like, yeah, nobody would care to see it.

[Pete Holmes]

I don't care to see that.

[Nate]

I. I mean, maybe, like, curb your enthusiasm would do it.

[Pete Holmes]

And then crazy that you just said that, because, sorry, go ahead, finish.

[Nate]

Just. And that they're dealing behind the scenes with, like, you know, what are we going to do about this script for, you know, with the stakes a little bit lower. But also, I think that the. They're conveying and it's over. What am I saying? It's it's hyper. Not hyper. Oh, whatever. It's not fully realistic. But they are stylized. Yeah, they're stylized in that. It's. It's conveying that like they're letting AI do this. So they're not actually as hands on as they.

[Pete Holmes]

No, I know. And this is sort of a lesson that I could learn. I look at a lot of TV and I'm like, solving problems in my life. I'm solving problems. And a lot of great comedies. Which is why I thought it was interesting that you mentioned Curb youb Enthusiasm are decidedly not solving problems to get to funny scenes.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And I'm the guy that's going. He would have noticed that there was a pair of glasses on his seat. And you're like, yeah, yeah. But it leads to this fight that, like, is iconic. And I'm like.

[Nate]

Which is kind of a. You have been like that lately. But you aren't usually like that. In fact, you. You're sort of. I remember you saying in the Crashing Days, like, anyone can poke holes in any sort of plot thing. Like.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Yeah, within reason.

[Pete Holmes]

Within reason.

[Nate]

It's easy to come in and be like, well, that wouldn't actually happen because blah, blah, blah, you know.

[Pete Holmes]

Right. But I think some shows, Curb being one of them and now the Comeback being one of them, are taking these big swings where like. But you know what's really great, and I'm glad we got to this. If only to get to this. This is going to be so worth it. We re watched White Lotus season three. We watched all three, actually.

[Nate]

Yeah, we love to re. Watch those.

[Pete Holmes]

Well, we did that. We did it once. Don't make it sound like we're.

[Nate]

No, we had rewatched season one and two before, so it was our third time watching those.

[Pete Holmes]

Oh, no.

[Nate]

I love it.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah. At least it's good.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

But in the third season, I'd rather.

[Nate]

I'd rather watch something good that I've seen before than something bad that I've never seen.

[Pete Holmes]

Speed. Agree. But in the third season and there's no major. There a mild. Mild spoil. But I don't think you're going to care. I'm going to keep it vague.

[Nate]

You can just.

[Pete Holmes]

There's a blender that is used even though it's dirty and it's a keeper plot device. Sure. It's important. A lot hinges on this blender that has not been even rinsed out.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Being reused.

[Nate]

But being reused by.

[Pete Holmes]

By somebody who's not familiar. A scrub who's not familiar with making smoothies. That's. Look, this is going to start one place, but it's going to end on its face. I am freestyling.

[Nate]

Wow.

[Pete Holmes]

After all I said to you, this is where Mike White loses me. He's never lost me. I think he's a genius. I don't use that lightly. I just think he's incredible. But you're asking too much of me. When a kid makes a smoothie with a blender that is like, talk about a scrub. This smoothie is. This blender is a scrub. It's the most chunked up, gunked up, disgusting ass. And it's a huge plot thing. It's also not necessary. It does buy us this good moment.

[Nate]

I think it's necessary.

[Pete Holmes]

Okay. Buys is a great moment. Here's the punchline, though. I'm pausing and yelling about, like, not yelling, but, you know, getting all worked up. Like, how could anybody not at least rinse out the blender? Like everyone knows. And he was privy to what was made in the blender the night before, which was disgusting ass. Daiquiris.

[Nate]

No, pina coladas. Which he was trying to get one the whole night.

[Pete Holmes]

Yes. And then his dad spat it out and said, these have gone bad. Everyone put them down. So there's rancid pina. I'm right about this, by the way. But wait for it. Go ahead.

[Nate]

I just think I am correct. I just think a teenage boy who doesn't know what he's doing would just. I think it's matters who is making.

[Pete Holmes]

I'll give you. Wouldn't rinse out a blender because he's lazy and yeasty. I'm not gonna buy. Won't rinse out a blender even though he knows the last thing that was made in it was spat out.

[Nate]

I think he's not thinking of that. That's fair. Okay.

[Pete Holmes]

But this is what a writer's will, by the way. This, what we're doing, is what a writer's room is.

[Nate]

And according to you, everybody knows that.

[Pete Holmes]

That's really funny. According to me, this is why it's sort of insufferable to be in a writer's room. Because there's always some guy like me who's very. Thinks he's really right. But, you know, Mike White just opened a closet, and every Emmy just fell out. So I really do need to check myself long after I wrecked myself that like people. It's not just that people, like, idiot people don't care. It's like storytelling will bend quite a ways to get to the moment that the Dirty blender leads to. But the real reason I brought this up, and I was thrilled. Dirty blender has become a symbol in my life. Because I was like, who wouldn't rinse out a blender? Who would use a dirty planner? No one would use a dirty blender. And then you said, pete, every morning you use a dirty blender.

[Nate]

You have.

[Pete Holmes]

I put flaxseeds in my blend in my smoothie every morning. And they're very hard to wash out. So there's like seeds stuck to the side of the blender. I wash out. I'll do a thorough clean once a week where I'm really scrubbing it. But because I make a smoothie every day, I do have a blender that has the remnants of yesterday's flaxseeds, by the way. Flaxseeds in your smoothie? Teaspoon. I believe the statistic I read 30% reduction in colon cancer risk.

[Nate]

And you don't need to grind them for digestion.

[Pete Holmes]

No, you do.

[Nate]

Oh, okay.

[Pete Holmes]

That's why I put them in early and blend in really strong.

[Nate]

And it does grind them.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah. I used to put them in a coffee grind, by the way. Thanks for asking. I've been living for this moment.

[Nate]

I just. I'm having a hard time imagining that blender successfully grinding up the.

[Pete Holmes]

It's not a sponsor. It's a Vitamix baby. It fucking. It'll turn your diamond necklace into charcoal briquettes. That doesn't even make any sense. But it's strong enough to do it. I watch them pulverize.

[Nate]

I believe you.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, I have a very. Yeah, very.

[Nate]

Smoothies are. When you are not the one making it, they are the most annoying thing for your roommates to be always making. Our friend Lisa stayed with us for a week and you would come in and make a smoothie, and then she would come in and make a smoothie. And I was like, I can't know how to hear anymore about smoothies.

[Pete Holmes]

Like, what do you mean?

[Nate]

It's just like, there's so many ingredients. The blender is so loud.

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[Pete Holmes]

No, mine is a three stage minimal blend masterpiece. Is that what you're saying?

[Nate]

Yeah, I'm just saying, when you are not.

[Pete Holmes]

No, say three stage minimal blend masterpiece.

[Nate]

It's a three stage minimal blend masterpiece. Like, the blend is going to so long with Lisa's. With yours.

[Pete Holmes]

Oh, I thought it was minimal.

[Nate]

There's a low. While you're getting your flaxseeds and you're putting the milk in and then you're

[Pete Holmes]

oh, you hate how I do it.

[Nate]

I hate watching anybody do anybody do it.

[Pete Holmes]

But am I better than Lisa? That's what I'm looking for.

[Nate]

No, I'm just saying one person is already too much to have be making a smoothie in the mornings, but two people is insane.

[Pete Holmes]

Oh, I agree.

[Nate]

It is so. And I'm just saying, when you're the one making the smoothie, of course it's not an issue. It's just one of those things where it's like. It's like music at the beach. You're like, yeah, if it's your music and you get to listen on a speaker to your music at the beach. What a dream.

[Pete Holmes]

Music at the beach more than anything.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

It's a miracle that I've gotten over that before. I turn around, I go blending I let people know I do everything I can.

[Nate]

It's not your fault.

[Pete Holmes]

It's not my fault.

[Nate]

You have every right to make a smoothie in your kitchen.

[Pete Holmes]

Damn kitchen.

[Nate]

But I'm just saying, if I were the one making a smoothie every day, it would make you insane. And you would. You wouldn't stop me.

[Pete Holmes]

We didn't even stick the landing, though. Now whenever I think I really feel strongly about something like a hundred, I go, dirty smoothie, dirty blender.

[Nate]

Yeah. Because you realize that.

[Pete Holmes]

Because I am the guy.

[Nate]

And this does tie in at the most, the most astute example of this. I don't think I used that right. Is that you are the most sound sensitive person in the world. World. And you are one of the loudest people in the world.

[Pete Holmes]

You mean just in general? Yeah, I completely agree. And it's, it's, It's a conundrum, but

[Nate]

I don't think it's a problem. I'm just saying. This is dirty blender.

[Pete Holmes]

I know if you have a piece of gum, I. I love you pretty perfectly, but if you're snapping on a piece of gum, I will go, what is this, study hall? Yeah, I. I just go right to like. I'm sorry, is this detention? And you're trying to let me know that you think it's bullshit that you're here.

[Nate]

And then every morning, not only are you blending, but you're singing.

[Pete Holmes]

Permit me to bust a little freestyle

[Nate]

at the top of your lungs. And I'm just like. But we already.

[Pete Holmes]

No, I know. I think there's something to that. You become the monster so the monster won't take you. You too. Yeah, but it's like, I'll fill up the space with my sounds because I can't handle your sounds.

[Nate]

Exactly. Yeah. Because if you're controlling the sounds, then

[Pete Holmes]

you know a blender is very close to a white noise. It's. It's like a pretty neutral, reliable. I mean, there's some.

[Nate]

So loud.

[Pete Holmes]

I agree. If you did it.

[Nate]

And I'm not even sensitive to loud sounds, but it's like a leaf blower is in our house.

[Pete Holmes]

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[Pete Holmes]

God, you're really making me feel like I'm some sort of boy. No, only because I hate leaf blowers and I hate. Let me just say this, radios at the beach. If you're at the beach listening to this podcast on a Bluetooth speaker, heave it into the ocean right now, please. You'll be the ultimate fan of this podcast. Unless it's like playing so quietly.

[Nate]

Yeah, totally.

[Pete Holmes]

But even then, what are you doing? Just listen to the water. Talk to your friend. Yeah, but then sometimes I feel low anxiety and I'm like, let's put on Shaggy.

[Nate]

It's so fun. I was just thinking that with like, you know, when people are busting sting their rhymes.

[Pete Holmes]

No.

[Nate]

When people are like playing their music so loud in the car with the windows rolled down.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Nate]

And you're just like, what are you doing? You're making us listen to your music.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Nate]

The answer is, have you ever done it? It's so fun.

[Pete Holmes]

No, I know.

[Nate]

So fun.

[Pete Holmes]

Since I've been taking Zach Saffron. And my anxiety has been considerably lower.

[Nate]

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[Pete Holmes]

sponsor, which you should use promo code weird from Kino Body, because it is absolutely changed my life. I talked about Zach Saffron last week.

[Nate]

It's not called Zack Saffron.

[Pete Holmes]

That's what people. I am Zach Saffron because I've been taking Saffron and I googled it. The first time you take Saffron, you feel its effects because it wasn't placebo. I was stressed out. I took one. I'm fucking obsessed. I love it. And the punchline from last week was, was I depressed?

[Nate]

Yeah. Like, did you need medication?

[Pete Holmes]

It helped so much that I was like, I think I need medication. And since then, I've chilled out on a lot of things. I still get worked up. Like, I posted that clip about Mr. Peanut. Don't get it twisted, y'. All. I'm still yelling about Mr. Peanut, so I can still access comedy anger and my feelings so I don't feel numbed out, but, like, I'm way closer to appreciating or considering the perspective of somebody who's rolling down the strip with their system up.

[Nate]

Yes. Okay. I do want to say I really appreciate that you are so healthy, and a big part of that is that you drink these sludgy ass smoothies every single day.

[Pete Holmes]

You should try the new formula. It's not that sludgy.

[Nate]

I'm sure it's not very nice. I'm sure it's not.

[Pete Holmes]

But can I give two tips? Yeah, I would love this.

[Nate]

Sure.

[Pete Holmes]

Blueberries and cinnamon are two things that are really easy to eat. And if you're trying to lose some lbs, not that you're trying to be healthy, but, like, specifically in the realm of weight loss, eating cinnamon and eating blueberries and strawberries too are all shown to help you lose weight.

[Nate]

I bet cinnamon is delicious in a smoothie.

[Pete Holmes]

I take it as a supplement, but, yeah, you could also put it in there. Oh, I don't want to feel like I'm in a frat doing a teaspoon of cinnamon.

[Nate]

Well, you can't.

[Pete Holmes]

There's so much.

[Nate]

Did you used to do that?

[Pete Holmes]

I never did that.

[Nate]

I did that. I did the cinnamon challenge. I was like, premium.

[Pete Holmes]

Can I say we've talked about. We've talked about this before. My mouth is so wet. This. Clip it, clip it. We don't even do clips on this. I'm just like. Remember the. Like, you can't eat 15 saltines in a minute or something. And I'm like, yes, I can. And I do. I can do it. I can do it any day.

[Nate]

Although now you have that dry throat that everybody is messaging me about saying you have dysphagia. Is that what it's called?

[Pete Holmes]

Dysphagia, where I can't remember faces?

[Nate]

No. What is it called?

[Pete Holmes]

I don't know what dysphagia is. That was just a comedy guess.

[Nate]

There is a dry throat syndrome that people have, and it's very sweet. It's like a very.

[Pete Holmes]

Fascia is a medical term for difficulty swallowing, often caused by underlying conditions like stroke.

[Nate]

Okay.

[Pete Holmes]

Neurological disorders like ALS or esophageal issues. Gerd. Oh, and cancer. They just threw cancer in there.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Thanks, AI.

[Nate]

They always will.

[Pete Holmes]

Symptoms include pain, choking, coughing, food sticking in the chest, throat. That's interesting. Yeah, I bet I have a little bit.

[Nate]

There are people who have, like, you know, benign dysphagia that have had, like, surgeries, and people are reaching out and saying, oh, because of my. They have this, too. Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Oh, that's nice.

[Nate]

Yeah, it's very sweet.

[Pete Holmes]

That's very sweet.

[Nate]

Fans. Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

That's like convergence efficiency. So, yeah. Anyway, I didn't mean to interrupt, but I like. I like a couple of smoothie tips.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Take a cinnamon supplement.

[Nate]

But what I was going to say is, you know, you're 10 years older than me. Sometimes I.

[Pete Holmes]

What you say? Sorry, I.

[Nate]

I don't tend to get, like, worried about my age until I look at you. No, but. But what I do sometimes consider. So I'm like, okay, when Leela graduates from high school, I'll be 47. And then I'm REM. Then I'm like, oh, and Pete will be 57. And then I get really slow scared sometimes because just because you're so much older than me and I don't want to live. I'm not really interested in living a day without you.

[Pete Holmes]

Oh, romance.

[Nate]

So I just want to say I'm so grateful.

[Pete Holmes]

Of all my compulsions, and you are

[Nate]

healthier than I am, and I'm going to keep it that way to balance

[Pete Holmes]

out, even us out, tie us.

[Nate]

Because I think. Didn't we find out, like, I'm. My cardiac age is two years younger than I am. And I think your cardiac age is. Is 12 years younger than you are. So we're like the same cardiac age.

[Pete Holmes]

Oh, nice.

[Nate]

And I was like, let's keep it that way. I really appreciate that you are so healthy and that you make these smoothies for Leela and you get her really healthy. It's like, it's worth all of the leaf blowers in the kitchen.

[Pete Holmes]

I appreciate that. That is the most. We've talked about this before, but my friend in junior high, that his dad made him smoothies. I was like, what's that now? Like, I just didn't understand what. And I love. I'm actually in a really nice place ancestrally and therapeutically, just, like, really seeing my parents more clearly, addressing my own pain and letdowns and heartbreaks and sadness and fear, and all of that stuff has been addressed to the point where I can now see more clearly. Like, therapy isn't. It isn't just. It's not just, like, talking about problems. It's actually, like, clearing stuff.

[Nate]

Oh, you could talk about your problems forever, and nothing changes.

[Pete Holmes]

Right. The types. Parts work therapy is actually, in my opinion. Yeah, I did that for years, too, and I really liked it. But, like, parts work therapy, I'm really going like, oh, we're getting to, like, the core of these things. Feeling them, witnessing them, and then letting them go. And now when I think and talk about my parents, I have just much more appreciation of where they came from and how they did better, you know?

[Nate]

Well, when you're.

[Pete Holmes]

How they were raised, and I'm doing better than I was raised, and that's just how it is. Like, it feels so beautiful to talk about instead of being like, well, nobody ever jumped on the trampoline with me. It's like, yeah, and you didn't flee Lithuania when you were seven, like, without. Without shaming any feeling.

[Nate]

The step between the two is.

[Pete Holmes]

I'm sorry, Belle. We have to go to the mid roll. Me undies are the best. Jizz holding undies.

[Nate]

Ew, I hated that.

[Pete Holmes]

Send the copy. I have to say it. Oh, no promo code. Jizz hold.

[Nate]

Oh, my God.

[Pete Holmes]

Talk about me undies. Ain't nobody else want to wear them.

[Nate]

Okay.

[Pete Holmes]

Oh, that she wants. Oh, if it was just there, I would have put it on.

[Nate]

Oh, that's Jiwon.

[Pete Holmes]

Okay, go ahead. Sorry about that horrible riff.

[Nate]

I.

[Pete Holmes]

The necessary step between those two is

[Nate]

that you, like, see and recognize and validate the feeling of.

[Pete Holmes]

Because here's the thing that's absolutely right. It's sort of like I said no because I'm like, you ever agree so hard you say no?

[Nate]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

That's what I did.

[Nate]

The. You know, it's like how the. The trick of meditating is that if you observe your thoughts, then you realize that you aren't your thoughts. You're the one observing it. And the same Thing is that so too. Brand is for me now.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Nate]

With parts work, where it's like brand work. If you are observing the part of you that really wants your, you know, your mom to whatever your example was, then you realize that you aren't that part. And so you are this other wiser part that can go. That can see all of it, that can have space for like. Well, yeah, she fled Lithuania, so she's like that.

[Pete Holmes]

No, that is. That is the. As we joke on this podcast, $10,000 worth of free medical advice. I'm just not medical. But therapeutic Advice is for 46 years of my life, pretty much. I was like really trying to have compassion and understanding for my folks. And it wasn't until I was doing parts work where I, this is the thing, acknowledged my pain enough that everybody was like, okay, you've seen us. I called on every hand that was up and spent time with each one of them, feeling it, crying, being scared, being angry, all of it. And it doesn't take a lot of. It's like throwing up. You know, you resist, you resist, you resist and then you yak and you're like, why did I resist that? It's exactly the same. And go, oh, I had therapy right before this. I was like, there's all this sadness coming up and there's like this lake of sadness. Why can't I do that? And it's like, let's just go into it. And we went into it, a big flutter of comes up and then you're like, oh, I just.

[Nate]

Yeah, that was it.

[Pete Holmes]

That was it, that was it. And I'm not making this up. You go, it's gone. Like it just wanted. And then you can go, oh my God. My dad was raised in the 40s. Yeah. And I'm not saying that intellectually in that fucking. The way that I saw it in Boston, which was just kind of like. I mean, like real west coast coastal elite, California hippie, full heart, open stuff. Let's really look at it. And then you can really say, oh my God. My parents were raised in the forties.

[Nate]

A hundred percent. Because the feeling has been validated. And when you are. And I've seen the difference of when you used to try to do that, but you were still.

[Pete Holmes]

Yes.

[Nate]

Had all of these. It was a verbal thing and you know, doing it. Basically identified as your child self, which is the way that a child would do that is my feelings don't matter. It's like bypass a way of bypassing your feelings because. And I did this for years too with my parents, where it's like, but I understand why they did that. And it's like, sure, but that doesn't help us. If you aren't feeling invalidating your pain and anger and feelings first, and then you can actually understand why they did it.

[Pete Holmes]

Instead of just parroting what you think a healed person would say, you're actually healing.

[Nate]

Yeah. And you're not doing it for the purpose of bypassing because it's easy.

[Pete Holmes]

And you're not even doing it for them.

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[Pete Holmes]

You're feeling these things for you, and then the byproduct is, yes. Oh, now I have all this compassion for them.

[Nate]

Because empathy for your parents actually comes naturally. That's what the first thing a kid wants to do is understand and make excuses for their parents because it's unbearable to think that they are flawed people. So when we're doing it, even as adults from that place of, like, I can't. I can't handle my parents actually having been neglectful or narcissistic or whatever it is. So I'm just gonna say, like, you know, they didn't have it easy. It's like, it looks too fast, but it is a very different process.

[Pete Holmes]

Forgive me. Look, we started this podcast by saying, podcast ain't shit. Too many people are doing them. Then we proceeded to talk about my smoothie regimen and listen, everyone. Everyone that listens to this podcast is subtle and sophisticated and smart and. And you. I know you. Everyone listening. I know you were like, this is pretty funny that they were just talking about how podcasts ain't shit. And now they're talking about Pete's dirty blender. And now here we are. Not that it always has to be this. I want both. I want dirty blender talk. And then I that that monetary figure is pretty close to the actual cost of these revelations, which is like, I think, in tougher places. Boston. Philly. I see you, Philly. I see you. Cheesesteaks. I see you. Rocky. There's this, like, jump to understanding other people. And, like, don't navel gaze and don't dwell and don't can of worms. Not gonna open that can of worms. Guess what? Those worms are the motherfucking bait you use to catch the fish of forgiveness. Bitch.

[Nate]

Yeah, bitch bit. And I was like, there's a bird

[Pete Holmes]

in our yard that goes, bitch.

[Nate]

Is there?

[Pete Holmes]

No. But imagine.

[Nate]

Oh, my God.

[Pete Holmes]

Can you imagine?

[Nate]

I can't. Sometimes crows.

[Pete Holmes]

I know you gave me enough for fisher forgiveness, but I mean, come on. That was a nice little that sentence was like, the first time I used a bidet. It got me clean and it got me a little aroused.

[Nate]

I do think. I think this is okay.

[Pete Holmes]

I know it's too. God.

[Nate]

Good. Can I just say this is just for, like, somatic. Good.

[Pete Holmes]

God, that was good. You could feel the hot air balloon with that.

[Nate]

That felt really good.

[Pete Holmes]

That was enough to get off the ground.

[Nate]

I just needed to say it like, I love you. I love you so much. But I had to go. Good God, I get it.

[Pete Holmes]

I wonder where I am with you and those feelings. I don't know. You're really wonderful.

[Nate]

Well, you're really wonderful, too.

[Pete Holmes]

No, I. Sure.

[Nate]

I think you feel that way when I'm popping my. My strawberry bubble gum. That's a. Oh. When you're popping Justin Timberling.

[Pete Holmes]

Oh, by the way, speaking of TV shows, because I do get comments, people sometimes say, oh, thanks for telling me about Valley Heat, for example. And I know we all know the feeling of, like, your TV just became the Internet, like, at one point.

[Nate]

Yeah. Where it's impossible to find what you need to.

[Pete Holmes]

Used to be a guy in your barbershop that was like, there's a bar in Boston and like, you just tell you a story.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Now it's the goddamn Internet. And I feel like there's just too much. And I know you all know that feeling, so I'm just gonna say it. DTF St. Louis is excellent.

[Nate]

It's so good and so original.

[Pete Holmes]

It's so good. Even the come. When I say even the comeback. I know I was sort of criticizing it because AI is just too nuanced of a. Of a situation to really capture perfectly.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

They're doing a good job. I like it. But DTF St. Louis is like, oh, this is shot beautifully. And I'm gonna say it. I was wrong about old Jason Bateman. I never sold him out. But when he did Ozark, I was famously pretty hard on that. I was like. I had a bit where I was like, I'm not gonna watch Ozark. I'm not gonna watch it. Like, I hate that every. Remember when Netflix really would be pushing something, but, like, it doesn't really do that anymore. It pushes something for like a day or two.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

I swear, Ozark was just the perma wallpaper of for like a three year period.

[Nate]

Probably for your demographic too. Like, I suppose so you're like, that's Bridgerton for me now.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah. Bridgerton is your brand. And. And Ozark. And I didn't love Ozark only because I don't like feeling manipulated. I don't like. I don't like when a show is going like, we're an award winning show.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Like, that's kind of like what I felt like they were saying on set is like, this is an award winning show. I'm not by everybody that's listening. I'm not saying Ozark is bad. We don't see the world as it is. We see it how we are. And when I tried to watch Ozark, I was the wrong guy.

[Nate]

But I don't think it is as simple as that. Because that's what succession is. That's what White Lotus is like. You love those shows and they're very like.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

No, I know.

[Pete Holmes]

I think the fact that it was Jason Bateman.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Trying to go from comedy, like, so if Jason Bateman had been Logan Roy, I would have been like, what? Yeah, but he would have been a good Kendall. He could have done Kendall. I think this is my point. This is my point.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

I'm Dirty Blender on Jason Bateman. I never sold him out. I've always been a fan. I met him once, I told him I was like, you invented a whole new way of being funny. And he went, oh, I don't know if that's true. That's what he said. Sweet.

[Nate]

Very sweet.

[Pete Holmes]

Eating a fuck off steak at the Palm. I had the mushroom like a fucking travesty. I was with Judd. Everybody was there. Seinfeld was there. I've talked about this. And we're at the Palm, and it's a prefix, and it's like one of those $5,000 a plate things. Judd had three tickets. He invites me, I get the mushroom. Look, I love cows. I think what we're doing, the fucking rainforest is like Ozark season one. I bring it back. I bring it back. Jk. I'm just saying. I'm on it. I understand. Why not eat cow?

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Nobody more than me. So two brannas for me. I'm just saying, if I could play that again, I would have eaten the steak because I just feel like there was a steak in the back. They just slid, comically slid into the trash while I ate a $5,000 mushroom. And Judd. I'm making that number up, by the way. But it was a fundraiser, so it had to be thousands of dollars.

[Nate]

But I shocked.

[Pete Holmes]

I think I caught Judd giving me the tiniest. I can't believe I brought the fucking vegan to the Palm from the fundraiser.

[Nate]

But that's where Jason Bateman was shocked that. That you would be the only vegetarian there in LA, I was. Wow.

[Pete Holmes]

For 5k again, I'm making that up. It could have been 500. I'm sure it was more than that.

[Nate]

Yeah. That's where you could use a little of, like, there's so many places, especially in show business, where I need to have a little bit more of you, but you could use a little more of, like. I'll just have what everybody else is having in that one situation.

[Pete Holmes]

No, no, I agree. I. I've. I have softened in every way. My penis, my testes. Testes.

[Nate]

Why?

[Pete Holmes]

I know why. I really used to think that what you ate was, like, maybe the number one issue with. With your spirituality. Like, if you know everything to be one, you wouldn't eat yourself.

[Nate]

Y.

[Pete Holmes]

You can also use that argument, though, to be like, if everything's it, what isn't yourself? So, like, I've heard that. I. I used to. I ate meat for a good year and a half with that kind of understanding.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Now I really like where I'm at. And I'm not saying I don't want to talk too much about it because I don't think it's like, the thing. Like, you know why it's the thing, by the way? It's the most public.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

It's just another achiever.

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[Pete Holmes]

I want people to see that I am so. So this, that or the other that. Even at the palm, I'm eating a mushroom.

[Nate]

Yes.

[Pete Holmes]

And now I. I think I. I'm pretty sure I would eat the steak. I. I would think about it sliding into the trash. I would. I would. I don't know. I wouldn't even justify it. I wouldn't waste the time to talk, to think too much about it.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

I don't know.

[Nate]

Yeah. I mean, it's a tricky. I like where I'm at is the trickiest thing. And you're in a good. I feel that we were at the

[Pete Holmes]

pool and I had a chicken finger. I was starving.

[Nate]

Yeah, I was starving. Well, I think about that in terms of. Also. And I know it's. It's not. It's not related, but like, just in general with my relationship with food and like. Yeah. I really am trying to just be at a place now where I. You, like, think about these things less. Where it's like, you know, even. So I'll finish that thought. But I'm just trying to get to a place where I'm like. I just, you know, I just, like, eat. I know what I can eat that will make me feel good, like, spiritually, mentally, you know, physically. And I try to do that as often as I can. And I also know that it's not going to happen all the time.

[Pete Holmes]

It's. What you're talking about right now is me talking about getting my unpleasant emotions, which are anger, shame, whatever it might be, but it's usually anger. Like, if I'm angry. And it's like Leila and I have been having, like, weird. I actually kind of. In this moment, I kind of love it that we're like a tiffing father, daughter, and it's no big deal. Like, we'll have like a disagreement about her dropping her towel on the floor and I'll insist that she come back and pick it up. And even though in the morning I would. I know morning Pete would just immediately pick it up and just be like, I love the way you drop that.

[Nate]

But I'm not even sure that that's right. I don't think that's right.

[Pete Holmes]

No, I know. I think evening Pete has his place.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

But what I'm saying. And food is. Could be the example. Emotions could be the example. Thoughts could be the example. I'm happy to say you're well ahead of schedule. I'm 47, and having done all the inner work that I've done, there's just less taking it seriously.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

In a nice way.

[Nate]

Yeah. And I think that's.

[Pete Holmes]

We'll be right back.

[Nate]

I'm learning that in every aspect, it's more of this zoom out of, like, what do you want your life to be? But you can ask that in, like these small moments. So it's like, you know, whatever. I'm. I'm trying to eat healthy, but all these friends are going to a dinner and having desserts and cocktails and it's like, what do I want my life to be right now? Like, do I want to say yes to this? And then whatever. Or like. And then also just with, like. I'm thinking of it in terms of ambition and like, you know, not thinking of, like, I gotta get to this point to get. I was saying to you yesterday what I. Cause I shot this short film on Friday and it was amazing. It was the first time I acted and directed in something.

[Pete Holmes]

I'm embarrassed I didn't bring it up. Oh, no, I've been bringing up a lot.

[Nate]

Yeah, you have been talking about it a lot. I think there's no part of me that thought, no, I know.

[Pete Holmes]

But I wish I had. For public appearance. But also just so you felt celebrated, because it's so amazing you acted and directed in this short that you wrote.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

With your friend.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And you did it and you go

[Nate]

ahead and it was like a one day shoot. So it was a real mad dash whirlwind. But it looks great and, and I'm excited to edit it.

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[Pete Holmes]

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[Pete Holmes]

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[Nate]

But the, the feeling was like, it's such a high and I'm so exhausted afterwards. Like there's this big crash where it's like exhaustion, but then also sort of this like dopamine crash. And I. This is something that people who do things like this know. But I really experientially understood how people get addicted to that feeling.

[Pete Holmes]

Which feeling? The crash?

[Nate]

No, the feeling of like, do. Of like chasing the high, like chasing the dragon.

[Pete Holmes]

Ripping through show business.

[Nate]

Ripping, Ripping through show business.

[Pete Holmes]

There's no better. You're like an octopus and every tentacle is in an outlet and you're just like, you're going for it. It's amazing. And then all the vulnerability and the.

[Nate]

Yes.

[Pete Holmes]

And the regret and the sh. Whatever you feel.

[Nate]

Yeah. And just like. Yeah, exhaustion and like kind of a dopamine dip, I guess, from, from doing it. And, and that I could see how like that feels so uncomfortable if you don't really, like, allow it. It's almost like being sick. You like need a couple sick days after something like that.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Nate]

Because you're, you're just like, I, I responded to like, I'm just gonna nurture my body. I'm gonna keep it really simple. I'm not gonna over extend myself. But I could see how that feeling would be so undesirable that you would just want to try to go to the next thing and the next thing and the next thing and you know, and then also get to like, how many? Because one of the ways of chasing the high then is like, oh, okay, so now let's edit it and then let's show people. And then how are those people responding?

[Pete Holmes]

And now you're just doing smaller hits of the same thing and trying to wean off of it.

[Nate]

Yeah, yeah. And so what, it was just a good time to remind myself. And this does go back to the food and just sort of thinking of like, what do I want my life to be? And asking in that moment, what do I want my life to be? It's. I want my life to be seasonal. I want it to be these highs and the crash and the exhaustion after.

[Pete Holmes]

That's right.

[Nate]

I want it to be.

[Pete Holmes]

It's yes, thank you to all of it.

[Nate]

It's yes, thank you to all of it. And it's also like, I want, I want to live in a creative flow state which actually has nothing to do with any sort of product. Like the product is none of my business really. I'm just trying create opportunities where I can be in this flow state.

[Pete Holmes]

That's right. You want a pot at a low boil on the burner year round.

[Nate]

Yeah, exactly.

[Pete Holmes]

I agree.

[Nate]

And so, yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

So anyway, can I just say that, like, well, so much came for me about that. It's been so fun and so fulfilling to be of use. We've mentioned this many times as I watch you making, not your foray but, you know, continuing on this path into professional creativity and, and watching you feeling burnt out the day after you did this. And I was like, you just need to remind yourself that there's your, your anonymity here is power. Like, nobody's asking for you to turn it around.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

So take a day, take a couple days, be making, create. And also it's like you get a flare up of an idea and then the job becomes, then you do it. There's like the expression of it for you. It's the shooting of it. And then comes this like dip. This incredibly predictable dip of sometimes it's, it's really bad and you're sad and you're like, you don't even believe in the thing anymore. What happens is you have to, I always have to tell myself, honor the you that was excited about it. Like, yeah, like now that person's not here, but trust them. Like, trust this dream you had. Or it's, it's a little bit like, I think the creative process is a little bit like being very drunk or maybe on a lot of cocaine or on a lot of mdma and you have this expression and people are drawn to it. Like, you and I both love when we're shooting Something. And lighting people show up and actors show up and cameras show up and a location is filled, and there it is. Your lightning rod attracted all of this energy, this literal energy. And then what's under reported is the day after that. Sometimes you just feel completely like butter over too much bread. You're just done.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And then you might never. In my experience, you may never feel how you felt when you were pushing that boulder over the hill. You'll. I hope you will, and I trust that you will. But sometimes you just go like, that's not what this is. The rest of this, it's not a trudge, but it's an honoring of the guy and going like, I trust him. That's why sometimes when you're looking at a script, the reason you write it down, especially, you know, oh, I wasn't laughing at your one day shoot. I'm laughing at what I'm about to say. Especially if it's more than one day, you have to extend this state for a really long time.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

The reason you write it down is because a producer or a line producer is going to be like, can we cut this scene? And sometimes you do, but sometimes you have to go like, no, I know that we're honoring that person who wrote the script. They made this map, and now it's my job to follow the map. Does that make sense?

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

That fugue state, that drunken stupor I was in. We're gonna do everything we can, like remembering a dream, mixing metaphors to pull it into this world. But you may never feel that euphoria ever again, even when it's made.

[Nate]

Yeah. That's really interesting. I think that is. I. I know it's so interesting because I'm really seeing Leela in you, where I'm like you. Do you get really lit up when the idea is new? Like, that is the euphoria and the engine that you have. So. And I. I'm a little bit like that, but I think I get really into it when the idea is coming together.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, that's great. That's why I'm more hopeful for you.

[Nate]

But I don't think that's necessarily better. I think there's times.

[Pete Holmes]

No, I think it is better.

[Nate]

There are other times when I need to trust myself that I will feel that way or, you know, whatever. I think what you're saying is applicable. It's just different stages where we get lit up. And Leela is like you. Where she loves a new thing. She really gets lit up about new ideas, and she wants to make A robot. And she wants to build this house, and she wants to, like. And there's all these things.

[Pete Holmes]

That's why I can. Can ever get. And I always feel like your husband. There's no blurring here. But if I could ever get to a place with Leela where she is interested in. That's why. Even the smoothie thing, like data drinks,

[Nate]

where she's interested in anything I have

[Pete Holmes]

to offer, anything I have to any one of them.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

If I get to a place like I am with you, where I'm useful to Leela.

[Nate]

Oh, yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Where I can say, I hope I. I'm like. And I trust. Trust. I know I've been criticized in the past by people who are very close to me and I trust, who know me, that they're like, you like things when they're new. And it's hard for you to, like, finish things. And I'm like, that is valid. But there's ways to work with that.

[Nate]

Yeah. And you do finish things, so there are ways to work with it.

[Pete Holmes]

And that's something I can offer is,

[Nate]

like, honoring the person who is excited

[Pete Holmes]

about and making peace with the fact that, like, you're never gonna feel that way again. And that's okay. So when using Crashing as an example, when I throw on. And I don't. But if I did throw on an episode of Crashing, I wouldn't enjoy it. There's nothing. There's nothing there. I'd enjoy it in, like, a nostalgic way. I'd appreciate it. But, like. And this isn't like, oh, what a sacrifice. I'm just like, it's not for me. I got the first line of this cocaine, and then I just gave everything away, which is amazing.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

It's not a sacrifice. It's just like, that's just how it is. It'll never get me as high as it did when I was, like, driving in my car to Judd's office and breaking a script in my mind. And that's the best part. Then you make it, and then who knows what it is? You might be watching it like Ozark. Maybe it just didn't work for you. And maybe you're going through something, and maybe you watch DTF St. Louis and Black Rabbit and you go, oh, I'm sorry. I think Jason Bateman might be our Robert De Niro.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

I don't know. I think he's incredible. I'm back to him.

[Nate]

I. I think there. It's so interesting because I. I'm still learning exactly what my process is.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Nate]

And I think when I have the idea for something, it feels actually pretty uncomfortable. It's like I'm pregnant. And I sometimes wonder, like, remember I was having all those stomach issues before and I had a colonoscopy before we shot this. And I swear I haven't had it since. We like, actually have been getting going on, like, since I've been steadily working on it. And I remembered that that same thing happened after or with my first short film. I was having stomach issues.

[Pete Holmes]

Most affected by fulfillment. Person I've ever seen in my life. Am I without. There isn't even a close second.

[Nate]

Oh, my God. Say more about that.

[Pete Holmes]

Just physically, I mean, maybe you're just like more in tune with it.

[Nate]

I think my body just is so connected to my whole experience, but I'm that way too.

[Pete Holmes]

I'm in a particularly nice groove and that. That manifests in a lot of ways in my life. And if I'm upset about something, it can often be fixed or improved by creating. But you're literally like, I have to go to the doctor. And then you make a short film and you're like, I don't need to go to the doctor anymore. And it's like, what happened?

[Nate]

That is really true.

[Pete Holmes]

But you also come from a lineage of jammed up. With respect. Jammed up, silenced. I don't. I'm speaking.

[Nate]

No, that's true. That is true.

[Pete Holmes]

I was gonna say women. Then I'll just say women.

[Nate]

Yeah, I think it is essential. But also my body. But that's why I'm saying I've realized a secret is that I need to live. I need to live in creative flow. No, I know otherwise, everything.

[Pete Holmes]

And I. Not to make this like 1950, 50s, but if I did make a little 7 inch record about how to have a happy wife, it's like, gentlemen, it's counterintuitive. But the wife that has her own interests is a better wife. Encourage her in her hobbies. Feign interest. Oh, my God, I'm kidding. I'm not feigning interest. But like, it is like, it would be a surprise to somebody in the 50s, I would imagine.

[Nate]

Well, yeah, because we didn't think of women as people.

[Pete Holmes]

No, I know, I.

[Nate]

And I think this is just true of all people. But my. But my body. Yeah, gives. Keeps the score a little bit more.

[Pete Holmes]

No, it's amazing.

[Nate]

But that's what I was going to say is so the top of an idea, like at the beginning of something actually feels kind of uncomfortable. And I.

[Pete Holmes]

It's good that we're different Keep going.

[Nate]

Yeah. And I just, I almost obsessively am, like, let me get to a point where I can see, I can see this.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Nate]

Together.

[Pete Holmes]

And you also love the friendship. The like heaven on earth of it. The like everyone together.

[Nate]

Yes.

[Pete Holmes]

I actually. Look, I could give myself a hard time about this, but like, it's a little bit why drugs and alcohol are interesting or were interesting to me and problematic for me is because, like, I like and feel comfortable and safe with private experiences.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

It's like even sexuality. It took me a long time to get truly intimate with you. You know what I mean? Like really get vulnerable and do clown stuff. No, but like, I watched this Pacino movie and he was having sex. It made me laugh because I was probably 11 years old when I saw it, but he was in prison and he's having sex with his girlfriend. He just got out of prison. New girlfriend. Not like waiting for him. Girlfriend. So he's trying to like, get back into the world. And. And she's like, why don't you ever. I'm paraphrasing. Why don't you ever like, make noise when we have sex? And he's like, he goes. Where I come from, meaning prison, it. You had to do that quietly. And then she's like, you can do it normal now. And he does the thing that makes it kind of funny is that. No, he goes, oh. Like, it's. I, I'm exaggerating, but it is kind of that.

[Nate]

It's like he went from nothing to a lot.

[Pete Holmes]

And yes. And now as a grown up, with some more maturity and some more life experience, I'm like, that's beautiful.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

I, again, with respect and love, grew up in a place where I'm like, the best experiences are under. They're not only on the inside, but I'm gonna like be soft and protect them and cross my arms and like hide them. That's why alcohol was always like, hello. It like shows up inside of you. Exactly. Or a drug shows up inside of you. And it's like, hello, it's just us now. And you're like, it's like flashlight under the comic book, flashlight under the comic book reading covers.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And that's why I'm still. My most comfortable place can often be writing something. Not the day when the lights show up. Because I'm like, you guys are gonna wake mother.

[Nate]

Yes, absolutely. 100%. I mean, and this is well treaded territory. Is that trodden, trodden on this podcast? Because what you just described freaked me out. Like I mean, for me. I love that for you. But, like, the. The, like, hello. Like, I. And we had a specific mushroom trip. It was my worst mushroom trip and the reason why I don't do psychedelics anymore. And it started with you being like. I just realized, like, you get the cookie, and it's the idea that it's just you in there, so you get the cookie. And I like my eyes. Like, why?

[Pete Holmes]

You're like, I got the cookie.

[Nate]

No. And it was more like, yeah. It was just like, it's just me. I'm the only one here just alone eating a cookie. Like, and it freaked me out because I'm so the opposite.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, but you don't have that. Like, I have, like, a. It comes out with children where I'm like, you think you get cake before me? Like, I have, like, a.

[Nate]

There's like, a competitive. Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And again, doing this ancestral work, I'm like, I come from a lot of people that.

[Nate]

A lot of reason for that had

[Pete Holmes]

to probably, you know, look out for themselves in pretty aggressive ways or they would die. Like.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Literally. So that's. That's.

[Nate]

And I come from a lineage of people who deny what they want just to take care of people in. In their lives. So there is. We're both finding the healthy versions of where we come from.

[Pete Holmes]

I hope so. I. It makes sense to me. The, like, you find a cookie and you eat it alone, and you're like, oh, my God, I can't believe I get this cookie. And you're like, let's. Let's cut this cookie into nine bits and break it.

[Nate]

Yeah. Or I'm like, if somebody doesn't see me. The unhealthy version voice really is like, if somebody is in witnessing this cookie and sharing it with me, is there even a cookie? Like, what's the point of it? There's just. It's just going into a dark void.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah. But it's funny that, again, this. This is all therapy stuff. It's like, to me, being alone or being inside of myself is like. Like that great Mo Welch bit where she's like, I know I'm getting older because when I go in the bathroom, I close the door and I go, okay.

[Nate]

Which I love.

[Pete Holmes]

That's how I feel when everybody leaves our Christmas party. I'm like, that's not true. I'm usually pretty amped up and very stoned. But, like, you know, usually when things end, I'm just sort of like, okay, I can go back. And that's. That speaks to my very introverted spiritual practice. It speaks to loving swimming. Like, just like, being quiet, being alone because it's safe. I'm trying to probably unnecessarily comfort you that what we're both seeking is the exact same experience, which is safe.

[Nate]

Absolutely.

[Pete Holmes]

And I'm like, I don't know. I always go to the one with my mom. And again, a lot of love and compassion and understanding for my mom, who did a great job. We went into this camera store. There were camera stores. It was like the height of technology in the 80s. There's like, big fucking TVs, like, heavy TVs. And we walked in, and I've told this before, I think, but I was like, do you have the want ad? Because I wanted to buy the want ad, which was like, the Internet printed out ebay. And he goes, are you kidding me? It's the Bible. And I. As a kid, I was just like. And my mom went, the Bible is the Bible. And I was like, see, everything was fine. And then this guy had to say, it's the Bible, and it's throwing my mom off.

[Nate]

And like, now these people are.

[Pete Holmes]

It's like a witness. Like, I'll give you another one that I haven't said on the Bible on the podcast. My. The Volvo that we drove in the 80s, the license plate was 313AAX something. And we're walking in the car with my friend Hillary, who lived up the street from me, and my mom's gonna give her a ride home as well. And my mom goes, 313 AAX. Acts 31 3. We should look up and see what Acts 313 is in the Bible. And I'm just like,

[Nate]

has to do with the Bible of both times.

[Pete Holmes]

Yes. Because that would be fine if Hillary wasn't here. We could just roll with that. I would go, yes, Mother. Maybe it's the gift of prophecy, but because a pretty girl was with me, I'm just like, I'm now dead. Yeah, I'm now dead.

[Nate]

I mean, that. Those are really great examples. And I. I think we haven't been recording. I think that I. I'm trying to think of equivalent examples that led to me feeling the.

[Pete Holmes]

It.

[Nate]

What I will say is the feeling that I have, like, when I'm traveling alone, for example, is like. Or even when I'm alone in the house is like. It's so. It's so, like, sweet and innocent. But the thought really is, if I pass out or have a panic attack or, like, somehow freak out, like, who is going to help me? Me.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Nate]

So There really is, like, I am an extrovert. And if you keep peeling the layers back, it's because I'm like, I need people to help me.

[Pete Holmes]

And I buy D chokers on Amazon because I'm like, if I'm choking, I need something that I can do the Heimlich to myself.

[Nate]

Yeah. And I. The. The only real thing. Not the only real thing, but the only thing I'll share here.

[Pete Holmes]

You did a bit about being weird with your mouth and talk, and then it led to you.

[Nate]

Me fully coughing.

[Pete Holmes]

I love it.

[Nate]

Is. Is that, like, I was a latchkey kid when I was 6. So when I was 6, it was like, you're gonna get on the bus.

[Pete Holmes]

I was not helicopter parented, but like, yeah.

[Nate]

Helicopter parented.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah. Never. Not with my mom.

[Nate]

Yeah. And I, like, had to, when I was a year younger than our daughter, get on the bus, get off the bus, walk home, open the door with a key, no one is home. And. And I know I've shared this before. My mom specifically was like, watch one episode of Saved by the Bell and eat a snack, which was a bowl of cookies and cream. Ice cream. And then your brother will be home. So, like, I really find safety in food and tv, obviously, when I'm alone. And. And I remember being like, very. And like, look, my parents both worked. They had to work. My mom had to have a full time job. This is not their fault. But, like, that. I hated it. I hated being alone.

[Pete Holmes]

Oh, no. I was. I just called my mom yesterday because I was at Leila's piano lesson and I go with Leela and hang out. And my mom used to do that for me. And then one time she didn't. She was like, I have to go to the pharmacy before it closes. Or something like that.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And she left. And I just broke down crying. Mid lesson.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And was like, I have to go. Or he. I remember being very sweet about it. He was like, do you need to go? And I was like, yes. And I could walk home. But I was like, I had so much of that attachment that once I started getting like a. Wait a minute. And believe me, it took a while. When I was in New York after my divorce, I got an apartment and it was my first time living alone in my life. And I was like, can I do this? Literally? Will I, like, go crazy or something?

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And it wasn't the health. It wasn't a healthy time for me. The first thing I realized was I could, like, wear disgusting sleepy socks all day and drink whenever I wanted to and constantly eating, like, just the worst Chinese food with like a number in the name. Like Golden Dragon number five.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

There's five of these. Bulletproof glass Chinese food. But then, like, slowly, as I started to get healthier and not depressed, I was like, wait a minute. And I remember what it was because the apartment was Craig Baldo's apartment. Comedian, very good, nice guy, funny guy. He. He said I was like, what is it like living alone? Because I was scared. And he goes, it's the best. And I was like, come again? And he goes, it's the best. You just never hear the jangling keys going in your door where you have to like, no one else has the keys to your apartment. And then I heard Bill Burr have a bit about liking hotels because every room is like a safety deposit box. And I still love that. One way in, one way out.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And you can latch it and you're like, even if they open the door, it's latched. I sleep so good.

[Nate]

I. I sleep way better in hotels and apartments. Like. Yeah, in New York, I felt the safest. Maybe I felt it. I feel the safest here, I think, but I felt the safest. I felt way safer than I did in LA in a house. Because I was like, the chances somebody's gonna choose my apartment out of all these apartments and even like, be able to like, get in.

[Pete Holmes]

And there's also like, you know, we were reading a babysitter's club where she had to like, knock on the neighbors doors. In New York, Your hallway is 15 neighbors.

[Nate]

Exactly.

[Pete Holmes]

So many neighbors.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And when you're on the street, even at, you know, one in the morning, there's 30 people out and it's New York.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

I'm not saying, I'm not saying anything definitively. I'm just saying, like, there's a good chance one of these people would get involved.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Because I remember I asked Joey Gay, I was like, what do you do? He's a New Yorker. On a comedian, very funny guy. I asked him, him, what do you do if something, if you see something. He's like, either get out of the way or get involved. And I was like, that's the most New York thing I've ever heard.

[Nate]

Yeah, totally.

[Pete Holmes]

Either just unsubscribe or get in there. And I was like, a lot of people in New York are like, no, this loud. Per. I'm loud.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And I'm gonna intervene. And I. I saw it, I saw it happen all the time. And it kind of had its own balance to it. That's not to say there aren't horrible things that happen here.

[Nate]

We are, you know, going back a bit. Like, one of the things that I. That admittedly is not, you know, I don't know, not ideal, is that I have never lived alone even for one second.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Nate]

And.

[Pete Holmes]

But then you did marry me, and I travel, and you get little.

[Nate]

And that's true. And I get this. And also, when you were shooting trap craft. Crafting craft.

[Pete Holmes]

Where's the crash? Where's the crash?

[Nate]

Service table crashing. I was alone a lot in New York, specifically. And again, it was a great city to be alone in. But it's. It is sort of like it's leading to potentially being like, whenever I live alone, if I ever have to live alone, it. I will be grieving, because the only thing that led to me leaving alone, living alone is something that I'm gonna have to grieve. So I have to learn how to live alone and be grieving.

[Pete Holmes]

And I don't want to see that.

[Nate]

And I don't want to see that. How's that?

[Pete Holmes]

How's that?

[Nate]

That's the new one.

[Pete Holmes]

I'll say. The best joke on The Comeback Season 3 is Mrs. Hat. She was on a show called Mrs. Hat that no one saw. And she keeps referencing, like, they do her credits, and she's like, oh, they forgot Mrs. Hat.

[Nate]

It's like nobody is mentioning it.

[Pete Holmes]

I do like that show.

[Nate]

It's good. It's.

[Pete Holmes]

I know it's good.

[Nate]

Lisa Kudrow is phenomenal.

[Pete Holmes]

Nobody's better than the D.R.O.

[Nate]

no one's better than the D.R.O she's my number one gal.

[Pete Holmes]

You're my number one guy. Oh, sorry.

[Nate]

Is that Al Pacino again?

[Pete Holmes]

No, I was not in Batman. Batman? Batman. He was in Batman, wasn't he? I don't know no Dick Tracy. Dick Tracy was made directly to compete with Batman.

[Nate]

Was it? Yeah, but he wasn't a bat or any kind of man.

[Pete Holmes]

He's a crime fighter in a yellow cape. Oh, that ain't no trench coat. I only watched the original Dick Tracy, as I recently did, and you're like, oh, my God. The score is Danny Elfman. It's the same score.

[Nate]

Wow.

[Pete Holmes]

And the action figures and the ip. This is when IP was new. They're like, what else can we ip?

[Nate]

Yeah. And then, honestly, if you held the them up to an alien and said, like, which one would you guess is going to be more popular? I could see Dick Tracy having a way better.

[Pete Holmes]

I think everybody at Warner Brothers agreed with you. It Didn't.

[Nate]

It didn't.

[Pete Holmes]

I mean, it did. All right. I mean, I was obsessed with it.

[Nate]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And I think I knew something about that. It was like, Warren Beatty, it took him, like, 15 years to make. Like, he wanted to make it for, like, 15 years. And when I rewatched it, all I took was like, madonna is so hot. Forgive me.

[Nate]

Oh.

[Pete Holmes]

I'm only saying that because I really think she's sex positive and would, like, at least would allow that she's smoking hot. And I watched that movie and I'm like, God damn. Like, no wonder. There was something about this movie that kept me coming back.

[Nate]

Yes, she is. That is really prime Madonna.

[Pete Holmes]

We should watch. She was dating Warren Beatty.

[Amazon Health AI]

I know.

[Pete Holmes]

And you can feel it. You can feel it on the screen. They, after this scene, they're into it.

[Nate]

I would love to watch it.

[Pete Holmes]

But, yeah, we hated it.

[Nate]

We're moving on.

[Pete Holmes]

But we both hated it.

[Nate]

I know.

[Pete Holmes]

They made love worse.

[Nate]

I know. That time period. More from Truth or Dare. The. Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

When she blows a Coke bottle.

[Nate]

Oh, I don't, I don't even think about. I, I forgot about that. But yeah, and she. And she's like, prime Madonna.

[Pete Holmes]

Prime Madonna.

[Nate]

She. So gorgeous. And there's like a scene where Warren Beatty, like, she.

[Pete Holmes]

Oh, yeah.

[Nate]

He shows up stage and, you know, and you can kind of tell that it's like he's. It's starting to tear at the seams. Like, she's being so ridiculous. Just full Madonna and uninhibited. And while I love her, I feel

[Pete Holmes]

like I've dated some people that were kind of like that. And it's so exciting. At first, you're like. And this lady, she just, just threw a teddy bear into the blades of a helicopter, and you're like. And then like, three months in, you're like, can you just sit down?

[Nate]

Yeah, well. And I think there is something to probably, like, she. It just seems so. I, I, Some people can pull it off, maybe, but, like, it's just. It's too tall of an order for there to be two people like that in a. Oh, yeah. Relationship.

[Pete Holmes]

No, no, for sure, for sure.

[Nate]

All right, everybody, well, thanks. Thanks for listening. What a fun one.

[Pete Holmes]

I love this one.

[Nate]

We hope you did, too. And until next time, keep it crispy.