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Janice McAfee
Allegedly, he was found hanging from the window. When they found him, he was breathing, and he had a heartbeat. His heartbeat was faint. His breathing was shallow, but it was there. It was present. He knew exactly what was happening around him at all times. I just always felt that he was going to Houdini himself out of the situation in some sort of way because he always had an ace up his sleeve. Always. The entire point of Satoshi Nakamoto and creating Bitcoin was so that we could free ourselves from the current financial system. And to lose sight of that is to lose. To lose that freedom and to tighten the noose that we're trying to get free from. Right. Because now they'll have total control over us.
Interviewer
How do you deal with people still telling you, maybe John's alive?
Janice McAfee
It's frustrating. John didn't do well with restrictions, and
Interviewer
he felt like things are closing in on him.
Janice McAfee
There was actually real danger that he was in. I just saw the notification of the dm, but in all capitals. It said, omg, tell me this isn't true.
Interviewer
Oh, shit.
Janice McAfee
But I just immediately just knew. And I Googled, and that's how I
Interviewer
found out, through a dm.
Janice McAfee
I think he was betrayed. I think he was supposed to get out of there, but I think for whatever reason, whoever was supposed to. To help facilitate that betrayed him.
Interviewer
Hi. Welcome to another episode of youf Are The Voice, Vegas 2026. I'm here with Janice McAfee. Hey, Janice. How are you?
Janice McAfee
I'm good. How are you?
Interviewer
Good. Thank you so much for accepting my invitation to chat. Absolutely.
Janice McAfee
Thank you for having me.
Interviewer
My very big honor and pleasure. We had the most amazing panel yesterday, and we only had a limited time to talk about John, talk about your
Janice McAfee
message,
Interviewer
to talk about things that are important to you. And I really wanted to take this opportunity to expand and also maybe to make it clear for people, what are some of the insights you have about what has happened to you and to John and where we're going from here and what you think with all of your experience, that people should be careful about and should be more aware about going forward. So let's start with the background and maybe some of the things that you've shared yesterday on the panel.
Janice McAfee
So I guess maybe we'll start with the end, because a lot of people don't know what happened to John in Spain, so we were actually traveling. Okay. So I just want to preface this with we never had any issues legally. You know, once we left America, there was no. No one stopped us. Nobody harassed us. We had no problems legally, like on paper, paperwork or anything like that. But. But there was always an element of danger. There was an attempt to collect John when we went to the Bahamas. And he chose the Bahamas because there's no income tax there, right? And so that was what the grand jury was convened for, tax related charges. And so they actually said it was for tax fraud, but John wasn't filing. So there can't be fraud if you're not filing. And so because they couldn't legally have him collected and extradited from the Bahamas, the police chief was. John had gotten word that the police chief was just going to try to arrest him for anything, you know, drunken disorderly or something, just to get him into custody, have him shipped back to the United States. And so we left from there and we went to Cuba, and Cuba, for obvious reasons, was the best place to go. And so while we were there, there was actually someone who came, a representative from the government came and had us, you know, go and meet with a general. And he said, you know, listen, I don't want to have to send you guys back, but we are getting pressure by the American government, right, to send you or to collect you and have you had to die in back. And so instead of doing that, they gave us 72 hours to leave. And so from there we went to the Dominican Republic and we were immediately detained as you landed there? Yeah, as soon as we got there. And we were on our boat, the freedom boat, and I mean immediate detention. And so while we were there, funny story, John decided that he was gonna fake a stroke this time, right? Because couldn't do a heart attack, right? He had done that already. And so because they were adamant on sending us back to our countries of origin, but John had dual citizenship, and so he was like, the uk okay. And so he wanted to go there. And they're like, no, you have to go back to America. So they were shipping me back, they were going to take. Taking me to the airport. And we had Robert King with us, who was also American, and he was just kind of filming with us. And then we had a couple of security, one from Haiti and the Bahamas. So they. We're all on our way to the airport. And but before that happened, John fixed the stroke. And it was. What was funniest about it is that everyone was just standing there looking at him like, okay, sir, you can get up off the floor now. We know you're faking, right? Like, nobody was buying it. And so when he comes to, right, he's like, where am I. Who are you people? Don't touch me. And where's my wife? It was, it was really, really funny. And so he's on the floor and I tell him, you know, listen, they're making me leave, I gotta go. And so I don't know what he did in that time of me going to the airport, but they called and said, bring her back because we're taking him to the hospital. So he must have amped up his, his theatrics in some way. And so anyways, because that, that was,
Interviewer
if I understand correctly, that was a way to kind of postpone.
Janice McAfee
Yes.
Interviewer
Things. If he would have gone to hospital, if he goes to hospital, then he can stay there for a while without them doing anything.
Janice McAfee
Absolutely. Well, they were trying to. Once he got to the hospital, they were trying to have him seen by doctors and all of that, but he just kept refusing. And so what he needed to do was block. By this time we had attorneys that were working behind the scenes to kind of put a. I don't want to say a stay of extradition because it was, I don't think it was an extradition that we're. Or maybe it was a deportation, I should say. And so to just try to impede that from happening. And I think the reasoning was because they were illegally detaining us, like there was nothing. We hadn't committed a crime. You know, they said that we had to illegally enter the country, but they never let us enter the country. Right, right. Like we hadn't spoken to immigration or anything. They just immediately detained us. So eventually the lawyers were able to work that out. And so they then flew us to the uk, just John and I, and eventually we made our way into Spain and again, so we're traveling, not having any issues. So come October of 2020, John is born to fly to. To Turkey to meet with some business people. And so when he gets to the airport, he tells me later, once he's been taken to the prison, that his passport was actually flagged as stolen. And so that is why they initially detained him at the airport. And so he had to stay there overnight. And what happened was the next day this red notice entropole then shows up in their system. And so now he's being detained for. By Interpol.
Interviewer
For.
Janice McAfee
In Spain? Yes, in Spain. And they took him to the Brion's prison. And so it took a little while for me to be able to hear from him.
Interviewer
So you were back in the States?
Janice McAfee
No, I was still in Spain.
Interviewer
Okay.
Janice McAfee
Yeah. So we, I'm sorry, We eventually made our way from the UK to Spain, and we were staying with friends of John's there in Spain, and we. It was a good time, actually. Yeah. I would. I want to say it was the most peaceful time of our time together. There's always chaos.
Interviewer
Yeah.
Janice McAfee
And sometimes created chaos by John. Yes. That's just. But that was him.
Interviewer
That was John.
Janice McAfee
Yes. It was just a very peaceful time. A good time. And so he had just celebrated his 75th birthday, not that, you know, not long before his arrest. So anyways, it was good to hear from him. Eventually. I was able to talk to him every day. We spoke every day, three times a day, but the phone calls were only eight minutes a piece, so. And then in those phone calls, he would dictate toward to me his tweets.
Interviewer
Okay.
Janice McAfee
Yeah. So that's how he was tweeting from prison. I was doing it for him. And so it was just. I will say that maybe he might have been having a more difficult time than he let on, but I think just trying to protect me and so we. He didn't want you to worry about him, and he didn't actually want me to come and visit him. You know, I wanted to, but he was concerned. Well, mostly he said he didn't want me to see him like that, but also he was concerned that if I went there, maybe somebody might follow me back to the safe house. We were staying at that. Yeah.
Interviewer
And so very switched on in terms of privacy.
Janice McAfee
Absolutely.
Interviewer
And the security.
Janice McAfee
Absolutely. It took. I want to say it took maybe a month or two before we were able to communicate with the outside world because the. Our electronics were being.
Interviewer
Yeah.
Janice McAfee
Protected, shielded, whatever. And however that process, whatever that looks like, that's kind of how long it took us to be able to take our devices outside of where we were living, you know, and be able to communicate like normal, you know, because John didn't do well with restrictions, you know, he needed what he needed, you know, and so.
Interviewer
And he felt like things are closing in on him.
Janice McAfee
I think there became a shift just before he was arrested. There was an uptick in his. I don't know. I wouldn't call it paranoid, but I. I would say that he became just more alert of what was happening around us, whereas. Well, when we initially got there in that first couple of months, you know, everything was really chill and we were able to just relax and breathe easy. And so I'm not sure if he got word about something or.
Interviewer
But I used his intuition.
Janice McAfee
It could have just been intuition, but I do feel that like full transparency. I feel that he knew something was coming down the pike because that. That morning before, before he left to go to the airport, there was just something different, you know, there was just a shift in
Interviewer
the energy.
Janice McAfee
His energy. Yeah.
Interviewer
Right.
Janice McAfee
And obviously for me, it. Whenever we separated, I was always on edge, you know, because I. I was just always concerned about him and he wasn't with me, you know, because not everyone took the threat seriously. Right. A lot of people just assumed he was just paranoid. There was actually a real danger that he was in. There was substance, absolutely paranoia, if you want to call it. And honestly, I was concerned.
Interviewer
And you felt them too, Right.
Janice McAfee
But I was the paranoid one in our relationship because I didn't know exactly what was happening. I just had my instincts, my intuition. But he knew exactly what was happening around him at all times. So.
Interviewer
Wow.
Janice McAfee
So. And. And when he got arrested, when he. While he was in prison, I just always felt that he was going to Houdini himself out of the situation in some sort of way because he always had an asep asleep all always, you know, and so we've never had a discussion about it. It's just again, just an intuition thing because I had spent so much time with him.
Interviewer
How long were you together?
Janice McAfee
We were together almost nine years, but it felt like a thousand lifetimes. We lived together, but I wanted to know him. And so because I wanted to know him, I paid attention.
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Interviewer
Amazing. Yes, yes. And nine years is a long time.
Janice McAfee
Yeah, yeah.
Interviewer
Especially when you're an adult and you don't have little kids and what you do is just being with each other and getting to know each other. So it's a long time for you to really feel and read the intricacies of his, of his behavior and identity in Persona. Okay, go on.
Janice McAfee
Sorry. And so again, we were at the.
Interviewer
You thought he was going to pull in Houdini?
Janice McAfee
Yes, absolutely. And, and I'm fully persuaded about that. We'll fast forward now. He's. He'd almost, he spent almost, I believe nine months in the prison.
Interviewer
Oh, and that whole time you are in Spain?
Janice McAfee
Yes. The entire time still at the safe house where we were. No.
Interviewer
You must have died from, from missing him.
Janice McAfee
Yeah, I was concerned, very concerned because the attorneys now he, at this time he had five attorneys. Right. So he had two U.S. attorneys, one for the tax related charges and then the SEC later came and filed some bogus and clean. And so we needed an attorney for that. And then he had two Spanish attorneys. The initial attorney was someone that his friends had arranged for him, but we got an additional one who was more. His expertise was edge tradition and he had gone up against the US before, so we needed someone with a little more knowledge of how to navigate that. And then he had an intern, Ailey uk working that, you know, dual citizenship angle. Right. So when he, when it came time for that last court date, when he went to court, there was already a plan in place. We already understood that he was going to be. The extradition was going to be granted. Right. We knew that was going to happen was a surprise to no one. The attorneys we had discussed, you know, next steps after that, how, what that's going to look like and so, so he wouldn't have gotten extra. Extradited within the next week, month or even year. Right. There would have been a lot of appeals that would have been happening. So I'm only saying that because I've seen people say, oh well, he rage quit, you know, and he just, you know, was, you know, so distraught about the extradition being granted. But that's not true at all. It's just not John McAfee. So again, the day he went to court, we spoke early in the morning before he went to court. And, you know, this. His mood was kind of monotone, you know, nothing concerning. Right. Obviously going to court. So there's a seriousness to the conversation. And then I spoke to him again in the afternoon after he went to court, and I told him, I said, I said, oh, you look good with your white hair. And he was like, wait, what do you mean? I was like, oh. Cause I saw you, like they showed you in the courtroom. And he said they weren't supposed to do that. And so I don't know why that stuck out to you so much, but it's like, what. What do you mean they weren't supposed to do that? And so again, now this just goes to my intuition of he's was gonna do something here to wiggle out of this situation. And so again, we talk. Also, what I was doing was I would. I would collect headlines for him, like, the what? Whatever was happening in the day. And I would kind of read that to him. So I asked him, you know, you want to go over the headlines? Was like, no, let's just. Let's just talk. And so again, there was a different tone to the call, but it was nothing that I would say concerned me for his safety or concerned me about anything. Again, the assumption was that he was going to Houdin him his way out of there, so a goodbye was going to happen. This is what I had known. Just because, you know, we couldn't stay together for forever, although I wanted to, but there was gonna come a separation. You just had no idea it was gonna be through his day. And so just before we got off the phone, you know, he said, I love you and I'll call you later. So I went about my day. I might have smoked some weed, I don't remember was going through, collecting, you know, articles, you know, the news of the day. And I happened to be on Twitter around 4pm ish, which would have been a little earlier than what he would have called me and someone sent me a dm. And in all capitals, I just saw the notification of the dm, but in all capitals, it said, and omg, tell me this isn't true.
Interviewer
Gosh.
Janice McAfee
And so I'm not sure why, but I just immediately just knew. And I googled. And that's how I found out.
Interviewer
Through a D ad.
Janice McAfee
Yeah. And the attorney.
Interviewer
So it was already in the paper or something.
Janice McAfee
Oh, already. So the prison leaked the information.
Interviewer
Oh, my.
Janice McAfee
And that is how his Attorneys found out as well.
Interviewer
Oh, my God.
Janice McAfee
So they didn't even have the decency to call the attorneys first say.
Interviewer
So first of all, what was their official version? Now, what happened to.
Janice McAfee
So what was reported in the news was that he was found dead in his cell.
Interviewer
That's it.
Janice McAfee
That was it. Right.
Interviewer
And then what kind of information did you receive on top of that?
Janice McAfee
That took a while to get that information. And so immediately, like, maybe the next day, the prison opened up an investigation into John's death. And from what I was told, this is not normal practices, just the body, whatever in life goes on. So the fact that they opened up that this investigation already, already is, you know, shady. And so through. Now that investigation took. It took them eight months to work through that. Right. To bring, to come to a conclusion. Yes. And so from that, I was able to look at the security footage and I was able to get the prison's report of what happened. Like, so they had stuff still shots from the security footage, and they had pictures of John cell, how the mattress was. They, they didn't have. They had a picture of the window because allegedly he was found hanging from the window. Okay, well, not hanging, actually, because it wasn't high enough for his feet to be off of the floor. So his feet were actually still on the floor touching the floor. Yes. And they also had pictures of John's. John's body on the, on the bed. And so when I finally decided to watch the security footage, when they found John, his cell door was like, cracked open. And, and this was all. I'm pointing this out because all of the other cell doors were closed. And they, you know, notify someone to open the door. They have the guards come and bring his body out into the hallway. And then the medical response team comes and they begin doing chest compressions and they have the. I don't know what it's called, but the bag over his mouth.
Interviewer
Oxygen.
Janice McAfee
Yeah. Pumping oxygen. Okay. So that goes on for about maybe 20 minutes. Right. And then I guess they call it resuscitation dating. Yeah. And then they put him back in his cell, which is really strange too. Right.
Interviewer
Why wouldn't you take him out? Right. The clinic. Right.
Janice McAfee
And so these pictures that were included in this, in the prison's report were staged photos. Right.
Interviewer
Were after there. Yes.
Janice McAfee
Right. And so that is where I, I understood that, that, that they had performed CPR on him with the news around this thing now. I, I, someone had commented and said, you know, if, you know, I'm trying to save a person's Life. I'm not going to care about this being around their neck. You know, I'm just going to go in and do cpr. But you have to clear the airway. Right. And if he has something around his neck, the assumption is that it's going to be tight enough to block the airway. Right. So anyways, it was just very strange to me. And so once I saw that, it's like, okay, well, that's why he's dead. Because it also talks about in this report that when they found him, he was breathing and he had a heartbeat. His heartbeat was faint, his breathing was shallow, but it was there, it was present. So I'm not even sure why they needed to do chest compressions or put, you know, oxygen into him when he's already breathing and he has a heartbeat.
Interviewer
So. Right.
Janice McAfee
So from there, it just became a situation of, okay, I need the autopsy report. Right. And so after the eight months, they tried to just close the, you know, the. The investigation, but the attorney that was working with John on his extradition, he stayed on after his death as well. So it's the same attorney. But anyways, he said that if I allowed them to. To close the investigation, that I could never come back and say, I want the autopsy report. So I had to file the appeal at that time. And when I did that, they refused to give me his body. So they kept his body until the closure of this appeal. Right. So that's eight months after he died. Right. That they were going to close it. So I spent an additional year and a half almost. It was almost three years before I got his body back. December 23, December 2023 was when I
Interviewer
got his body back and there was no autopsy done.
Janice McAfee
How can you.
Interviewer
Can you do an autopsy after so long?
Janice McAfee
There was an autopsy done. So when they had me because I had to go and identify his remains. And so when I did that.
Interviewer
Sorry, that I'm asking no questions.
Janice McAfee
No, it's okay. I don't mind talking. So they were in the middle of doing the autopsy and so they. They wouldn't. I wasn't able to see his full body. They just allowed me to see. And he was covered up with a sheet. And so.
Interviewer
So you did identify him?
Janice McAfee
Yes. And his hair was dyed. Something I didn't. Something I didn't. Wow. Speak about before. And I bring that up because you said it was. He would have. He would have changed. Because, remember, I said. He said, why did they do that?
Interviewer
Yeah. Right.
Janice McAfee
So he would have found a way to change his hair color back from what was seen publicly.
Interviewer
Right. Very interesting.
Janice McAfee
And so all of these things are things that I, like, literally tortured myself over, I'm sure, just trying to figure
Interviewer
out, you know, playing a detective, trying to understand those clues, what actually happened and who's behind what actually happened.
Janice McAfee
Yes. And for a lot of.
Interviewer
What are some of the conclusions you reached, if any. Or did you just drop it in one.
Janice McAfee
No, I think he was betrayed. I think he was supposed to get out of there, but I think for whatever reason, whoever was supposed to help facilitate that betrayed him, betrayed his trust, betrayed whatever agreement they might have had. I don't think that he was planning from that. I don't think that, you know, when you only have limited options, those are your options. I don't think death was on the table for him. I don't think that he planned for that possibility. Right. And so, I mean, that's the only thing for me that makes sense. Otherwise, I feel like I would have heard from him. Yeah, I would. There would have been something. I would. I. I absolutely believe a thousand percent I would have heard something at some point.
Interviewer
Then he would have given you some information. Or.
Janice McAfee
Or it'll be five years. June. Sorry, five years in June now. Yeah. And I absolutely would have, for sure. Wow.
Interviewer
Thank you so much for sharing all of that.
Janice McAfee
Yeah, of course. What do you.
Interviewer
How do you deal with people still telling you maybe John will lie? Because some people do say that, right?
Janice McAfee
Yeah. And it's frustrating. It's frustrating because I've, like, I've just shared intimate details with you of the things that I've gone over, like literally torturing myself going over these things, like maybe he did get away. And, you know, I've seen people talk about there was a suspicious flight that happened the day that John died. And. And maybe that is true. I don't know. Allegedly, it came to the area where John would have been. So why? I don't know. But I don't think it was. If. If that is true, if it was related to John, I don't think it was because they ushered him out of there. I think maybe they gave him the bad news that. Listen, we're not. We're not getting him out of here. You know, there were some tweets that he had me tweet out that seemed to allude to maybe sending an SOS out. I hope I'm not sharing too much, but these are. These are the things that I've thought about. Right. And so, again, it is frustrating.
Interviewer
So we can just tell people. Dropif. Drop it.
Janice McAfee
Stop it. Like it would be great.
Interviewer
Right? Yeah. Right.
Janice McAfee
Or, or if you have more crime cream, then show me. I'm willing to. I'm open minded. You know, I would love, I would love nothing more for him to be alive somewhere, right. Enjoying his life. I would absolutely love that. And I would absolutely love for his end to come peacefully, dying peacefully in his sleep or having the best sex of his life. I don't know. Yeah, absolutely. I would love for that to be his end, you know, as opposed to what happened. Because. Because what a waste that was, you know, he didn't deserve that.
Interviewer
No.
Janice McAfee
You know, irrespective of what anyone thought about him, he didn't deserve to die in that prison that way.
Interviewer
Well, I am 100% sure that the audience of his podcast loved him and appreciated so much his rebel spirit, his dissident voice, his uncompromising stand for freedom. And for you said he didn't like limitations of like complete permissionless living. He was such a legislator. D. What do you think he would want you to carry forward from his legacy or, or us forward? Not just you. Right. All of his lovers, followers, fans, like,
Janice McAfee
I think just to.
Interviewer
I'm sure you spoke about that like that.
Janice McAfee
Yeah, I think. Well, not really with me per se. I think it's just something perceived. I. So for me, I'm wanting to carry on his fight for privacy. And so I'm working with the antivirus project and that's what we're doing. We're bringing the products and the projects that he was working on before he was arrested and before he died, trying to bring those things to the market. And so that's kind of where my passion is right now. And then also because of how we met, I was in a very abusive situation. And so the goal is for those projects and those products to help people in similar situations. Because if you cannot financially provide for yourself, support yourself, then you can't really get away from the situation that you're in. So that's. That's like to break that dependency. Yes, absolutely.
Interviewer
In abusive people or relationships.
Janice McAfee
Absolutely, absolutely. So that's. That's my passion. And Anna, I think.
Interviewer
And you do it through the antivirus project.
Janice McAfee
It's an antivirus AI Antivirus. It's a play on the antivirus.
Interviewer
And what kind of organization is that?
Janice McAfee
It's a crypto. It's a crypto organization. So we are. We have crypto related privacy products. So we have encrypted email. We also have cloaking device, I guess if you want to call it that for your. As you're going browsing on the websites and all of that. So we also have EIMS as well that you can buy. So all of these things you can purchase anonymously and. And not have to give your. Your KYC information.
Interviewer
Yes. Can you use Bitcoin?
Janice McAfee
Yes, you can use. But it's. It's on the Solana, the Solana chain. We also have a way for you to purchase gift cards as well. So now you can toggle between fiat and crypto. It's just a way to stay anonymous for people to stay anonymous as they're.
Interviewer
We'll put the link to it.
Janice McAfee
Yeah, absolutely. At the show notes. But. But that's what.
Interviewer
So that's a legacy.
Janice McAfee
Yes. Yeah, that's what I would love to do but personally I don't. I think John would just. His concern was that I would go back to the life that he found me. And so I am proud that I have not done that. You know, I could never ever go back to prostitution. That's where how we met. I was a prostitute on south beach and I had a pimp who was beating me and it was just a crazy, crazy life, you know.
Interviewer
And was Johnson.
Janice McAfee
I don't even protect him that. Yeah, he was. It was absolutely. And he loved me.
Interviewer
Which was just the best thing in the world.
Janice McAfee
Absolutely.
Interviewer
It is, it is.
Janice McAfee
You know, and I still. I still struggle to see what it was that he saw in me. But. What do you mean? I do. I do. Well, not. Well, not just that, but I also saw something more. Of course, you know, that's about love.
Interviewer
Yeah. When we feel it, it. It transcends all those weird dialogues that we have with ourselves in our brain. How we judge ourselves, how we see ourselves. Someone else can see us way greater, way better way much clearer than what we see ourselves. And that is the most beautiful thing about love because it kind of breaks all that crap. Yeah. So he.
Janice McAfee
Absolutely.
Interviewer
He loved you.
Janice McAfee
Yeah.
Interviewer
That's amazing.
Janice McAfee
Absolutely. Absolutely. And I just want to honor that love by doing what I can to make sure people don't forget and to make sure that people know what happened.
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Interviewer
your mission is beautiful. Should people. Are you like looking for volunteers or whatever? What if people are hearing this and they want to get in touch and help you?
Janice McAfee
Please reach out to me. I'm on Twitter. He Mrs. McAfee. You can reach out to me on Instagram. I'm on Instagram at official Janice McAfee. I'm on telegram Janice McAfee. Just any way that you want to reach out, please feel free to do so. And we'd love to. To have people helping out. So the community that's helping out with the project now are just people that love John, loved his message, and are wanting to do their part to make sure that that message doesn't die.
Interviewer
And that is so important. We need so many more freedom lovers out there.
Janice McAfee
Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. Because it makes it just to touch a little bit on Keone's situation. Situation Samurai situation, please.
Interviewer
Which was part of our panel as well.
Janice McAfee
Yes, it's. It's so much easier for them to sort of knock us off in this way when we're not united, you know, or when we look at the situation and say, oh, that's just happening to them. That won't happen to me, you know, because I'm not doing anything criminal. But neither was Hippie wasn't doing anything criminal. You know, even Gross was not doing anything criminal, you know, and so. And I'm sure this is true for all of the other prisoners. That's right. As well. So, I mean, to have this stance that, you know, because it's not me, you know, sort of out of sight, out of mind, you know, that's their problem, not mine. You know, it's kind of selfish. Right. Because we should be all in this together. Right.
Interviewer
The.
Janice McAfee
The entire point of Satoshi Nakamoto and creating bitcoin was so that we could Free ourselves from the current financial system that's peer to peer transactions. Right. And have complete autonomy over our finances. Right. That's what we're, that's what the plan, the goal of this was. And to lose sight of that is to lose, to lose other. That freedom. Right. And to tighten the noose that we're trying to get free from. Right. Because now they'll have total control over us. Right.
Interviewer
Well, we're rapidly getting there.
Janice McAfee
Absolutely.
Interviewer
They're on the way to roll out their new digital money that is has expiry dates and geolocation capabilities and switching on and off digital wallets and programming your money to use it for this and not for that. And they're so proud of building that digital prison.
Janice McAfee
And we're just like, yeah, come on in, we welcome you here.
Interviewer
It's digital, it's so convenient. What?
Janice McAfee
It's wild. So I think John would be very disappointed to see.
Interviewer
I agree.
Janice McAfee
Where the space is heading, but maybe we can do more to just kind of bring awareness and, and maybe if we united and it doesn't have to be uniting under one cryptocurrency or under one project over this project, we should just all be able to work together. Right. With like we all should be working together towards that common goal. Yeah, right. Of financial autonomy.
Interviewer
Right, absolutely. And, and freedom tools, privacy tools.
Janice McAfee
Absolutely.
Interviewer
So it's, it goes hand in hand because Bitcoin is not perfect. Every, you know, Bitcoin, especially Bitcoin Maxis, they know that there is visibility and transparency on the base layer on the blockchain so that, you know, immutability could occur and the final settlement of transactions can happen on the blockchain. But because of that it's transparent.
Sponsor/Host Voice
There is no privacy.
Interviewer
You're soto anonymous. And so if you do want to have privacy, you have to embrace more tools, other tools, other technologies which are being developed and created all the time. So if we are not aware enough and conscious enough and put our energy, our time and our support in those who are building those things, we're going to be haunted just like John and others.
Janice McAfee
Absolutely.
Interviewer
So I see it as an individual for each and every one of us to take this seriously and to learn from this, start educating ourselves more about how to be more careful. Private, Anonymous online. This digital world is a double edged
Janice McAfee
sword and this is a scary place. It's a scary place. And honestly you can have your transparency and also your privacy.
Interviewer
Good for some things. Of course.
Janice McAfee
Right. And I think, and I think that is the difference. You know, I like, I Have multiple wallets, you know, and. And it's all about how you onboard with your privacy, you know, and so why not. Why not have, like a little dummy wallet, you know, where maybe you give all of your kyc, but you don't keep much there. Right. Because if someone was so inclined and wanted to unwind and figure out who owns the wallet. Oh, let's see. Well, okay, that's not worth it.
Interviewer
Right.
Janice McAfee
But. But where the real money is, you know, that's somewhere in a private, you know, under a private system, if you will. Right. And so I think people just need to become more aware of the true nature of human beings. Right. We are loving and gracious and kind and all of those good things, but we also could be liars and thieves. Right. Manipulators. Manipulators.
Interviewer
Very evil things. Especially lately with all these disclosures that we have been seeing with people who are being unlived and scientists and all that stuff. Like it's all happening in front of our face. We're living in very, very dark times. So I think I agree we need to take this seriously.
Janice McAfee
Absolutely. Absolutely.
Interviewer
Wow, Janice, you are awesome. You're a force to be reckoned with. And you are badass. I mean, the fact that you are continuing to speak about those things, be active in the community, to build them, to put them out there, to create more awareness for people in harsh situations that, you know, need to be liberated from. This is awesome. And so I really appreciate your work. Appreciate you. I'm so glad we met. Thanks to this conference.
Janice McAfee
Yes.
Interviewer
And I hope we can keep in touch and check. Check out, like in. In a few months from now, even. What's going on and how those projects are.
Janice McAfee
Yes, right now we're developing. Still. Still in beta. Also, I just got back. Well, I won't say just got back, but from Spain, March of 24. So I'm still kind of getting my bearings, you know, a little bit, but definitely be on the lookout. I'll definitely, definitely keep in touch with you. And yeah, you know, full steam ahead. Right. We've got work to do, and I don't want to. I want to make sure that I'm doing my part so that my children do not inherit the world in a much worse shape than which I'm living in it now. Right. I want to do my part to make it better for them, for my granddaughter. I'm a grandma now.
Interviewer
Are you?
Janice McAfee
Oh, my God. Yeah. She'll be, too. She'll be, too. In August.
Interviewer
That is so much fun.
Janice McAfee
Oh, my God.
Interviewer
My son's only 16, but I'm dreaming
Janice McAfee
of the day I'd be a grandma.
Interviewer
Oh, my God. That was so much fun. Yes, for sure. This is why we're here. This is why we do this.
Janice McAfee
Yes, absolutely. Wow.
Interviewer
We want to make the world more fair, full of light, like a better place to live. For sure. And I do not want to see, I don't know, nation states or cities or towns or just places being erased off of the face of the earth because people are just like, self destructing themselves. We have to get better than this. So I'm with you. And I think also educating the younger generation so important. So, yeah, we've got a lot of work to do.
Janice McAfee
Yeah, we do. Yeah, we absolutely do.
Interviewer
Let's roll up our sleeves. Amazing. So you find hope in the next generation.
Janice McAfee
Yes. Yeah. My granddaughter, as you can see, she brings a smile to my face and she lightens my. The heaviness of my heart. Yeah.
Interviewer
So is it your daughter's daughter or your son? Yeah, your daughter. Oh, that's amazing.
Janice McAfee
Yeah. So, yeah, I just want to make sure that I'm doing my part. And this is something that John was very passionate about as well. Making sure that he shared his knowledge with anyone who would listen.
Interviewer
Very generous.
Janice McAfee
Yeah. Because that's the point, right. Otherwise, what are we doing?
Interviewer
Because we're here to, first of all figure out ourselves and our shit and, like, why are we here? What's the mission? What's the purpose? And once we got it, it's about being of service for humanity.
Janice McAfee
Absolutely, absolutely.
Interviewer
And then it also becomes a little bit easier because the focus is not just about me, me, me. All the crap that we're doing, it's like, it's not about me anymore. It's about this, it's about them. And I'm here to serve. So let me do the best work I can do.
Janice McAfee
Absolutely.
Interviewer
Just be with me, God, to help me on this mission.
Janice McAfee
Absolutely, absolutely.
Interviewer
God bless you, Janice.
Janice McAfee
Thank you. Thank you for having me.
Interviewer
No, no worries. Okay. Thank you very much for being with us. Please reach out to Janice if you want to take part of her beautiful missions and we'll put some links in the show notes. Yes. So that people know how to reach you.
Janice McAfee
Thank you.
Interviewer
Thank you so much.
Sponsor/Host Voice
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Guest: Janice McAfee (widow of John McAfee)
Date: May 22, 2026
In this gripping episode, host Efrat Fenigson sits down with Janice McAfee, widow of the late cyber pioneer John McAfee, to discuss the highly suspicious circumstances surrounding John’s death, the extensive cover-up by authorities, and Janice’s personal journey seeking the truth. They also touch on the broader issues of personal sovereignty, financial privacy, technological missions, and collective action for freedom and privacy in the digital age.
Tone: Candid, emotional, and passionate, with a strong focus on resilience, critical inquiry, and advocacy for human rights.
Janice: “We never had any issues legally... but there was always an element of danger.” (02:44)
Janice: “He didn’t want me to see him like that... he was concerned that if I went, maybe someone might follow me back to the safe house.” (08:13)
Janice: “I just always felt that he was going to Houdini himself out of the situation in some sort of way because he always had an ace up his sleeve.” (12:07)
Sequence of Events: On the day extradition was granted, Janice’s last call with John was unremarkable, never suggesting despair or fatalism.
Discovery: Janice found out about John’s death through a Twitter DM, not from authorities (18:50).
Official Narrative vs. Reality: News reported he was “found dead in his cell.” Janice, after months of investigation, pieced together a disturbing timeline:
Janice: “When they found him, he was breathing and he had a heartbeat... I’m not even sure why they needed to do chest compressions.” (23:06)
Janice: “I think he was betrayed. I think he was supposed to get out of there, but I think for whatever reason, whoever was supposed to help facilitate that betrayed him.” (25:33)
Janice: “It’s frustrating... I’ve just shared intimate details with you of the things that I’ve gone over, literally torturing myself... maybe he did get away.... But I would have heard from him.” (26:52)
Janice: “If you cannot financially provide for yourself... you can’t really get away from the situation... That’s my passion.” (29:31)
Janice: “I could never ever go back to prostitution. That’s how we met... he was, it was absolutely, and he loved me.” (32:12)
Janice: “The entire point of Satoshi Nakamoto and creating Bitcoin was so that we could free ourselves from the current financial system... To lose sight of that is to lose that freedom and to tighten the noose that we’re trying to get free from.” (36:20)
Janice: “I just want to honor that love by doing what I can to make sure people don’t forget and to make sure that people know what happened.” (33:05)
“John decided that he was gonna fake a stroke this time, right? Because couldn’t do a heart attack, right? He had done that already...” (04:52)
“I just saw the notification... OMG, tell me this isn’t true... I just immediately just knew. And I Googled, and that’s how I found out.” (18:51)
“Betrayed his trust, betrayed whatever agreement they might have had. I don’t think that he was planning for that... I would have heard from him.” (25:33)
“He loved me... I still struggle to see what it was that he saw in me... but I also saw something more.” (32:21)
Janice McAfee’s appearance on "You’re The Voice" is not just a retelling of a dramatic personal loss and a global conspiracy; it’s a raw call to arms for privacy, unity, and individual sovereignty in a rapidly digitizing and surveilled world. The episode underscores the importance of honoring dissident voices, actively building freedom tools, and protecting those most vulnerable to technological abuse. Janice’s mission ensures that John McAfee’s spirit of rebellion and empowerment persists.
Contact Janice McAfee:
Learn about the antivirus crypto/privacy project (links in show notes)
Summary prepared for listeners seeking a deep, unvarnished account of Janice McAfee’s experience, investigations, and mission, even if they haven’t listened to the episode itself.