She's Fighting to Free Her Husband - Lauren Rodriguez | Ep. 136

Summary

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Podcast Summary

You're The Voice by Efrat Fenigson

Episode 136: "She's Fighting to Free Her Husband - Lauren Rodriguez"
Date: May 10, 2026
Guest: Lauren Rodriguez

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on Lauren Rodriguez’s fight to free her husband, Keone, a developer imprisoned for his work on privacy-preserving, non-custodial Bitcoin software. Host Efrat Fenigson and Lauren discuss the judicial and political implications of his case, the dangers posed to privacy and software developers, and the emotional toll and activism that Lauren has undertaken. The conversation delves into the broader significance of the case for the Bitcoin community and digital rights, as well as the importance of free speech and personal sovereignty.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Panel and the Power of Community

• Global Attention: Lauren reflects on participating in a major panel at the Vegas Bitcoin conference, emphasizing the importance of amplifying Keone’s story to those unfamiliar with it ([02:34]).
• Activism Encouraged: Lauren stresses activism: "Each individual person's voice does matter... together, we can make a difference." ([02:53])
• Political Leverage: Politicians attend such conferences due to the Bitcoin community’s influence; Lauren urges listeners to demand action from those seeking their votes ([03:26]).

2. Political and Legal Updates

• Political Support: Lauren met with Senator Lummis, expressing gratitude and highlighting her advocacy for Bitcoin ([04:24]).
• Behind-the-Scenes Efforts: Ongoing attempts to secure a pardon for Keone are underway, leveraging political and community support ([05:19]).
• Legal Double Standards: Lauren discusses how government statements contradict continued prosecution of developers and notes the chilling effect for software creators ([05:52]).

3. The Arrest—A Personal Account

• The Raid: Lauren recounts the shock of waking up to a raid, initially believing it was a mistake and later learning of serious charges ([09:16]).
• Legal Confusion: She explains they believed they were following clear FinCEN guidelines, making the charges unexpected: "We had legal advice and were following the guidelines..." ([09:39])
• Systemic Disappointment: Lauren describes the relentless series of legal setbacks and rejections, leading to the realization that these failures might be intentional rather than coincidental ([11:34]).

4. The Prosecution of Code

• Government Overreach: Lauren asserts, "They were not motivated by truth or justice. They were after getting this prosecution, no matter the cost, no matter if they had to break the law, because that's what they did. When you hide exculpatory evidence—illegal." ([11:53])
• Importance of Privacy: She outlines the core issue—the right to privacy in digital financial transactions—and how Keone’s software sought to enable this for Bitcoin users, paralleling expectations in the traditional financial system ([13:11]).
• Precedent for All Developers: The DOJ’s actions set a worrying precedent, targeting anyone who writes code that preserves individual freedoms: "This could touch every developer, period, in the US." ([00:54], [15:30])

5. Call to Action for the Community

• Raising Awareness & Support: Lauren highlights the need for ongoing media attention, petitions, donations, and direct outreach to those in power: "If you have any connections... bring to light, post about it, just keep it out there." ([16:12])
• The Human Cost: Quoting Ross Ulbricht (via Keone): "Even with a five-year sentence, being in prison, you slowly die on the outside to people around you because they think about you less." ([16:47])

6. Life in Prison & Staying Connected

• Notes from the Inside: Keone writes public letters ("Notes from the Inside") describing prison life, which have been syndicated by various outlets ([17:21]).
• Mental Toll: Life inside is marked by boredom, by hope for a pardon, and by disconnection from the outside world—letters from supporters mean a lot ([18:31]).
• Lauren’s Motivation: She draws hope from the possibility of reaching President Trump and securing a pardon, emphasizing the role of persistent advocacy ([20:22]).

7. Broader Implications & Final Reflections

• Chilling Effect on Innovation: This case could criminalize ordinary software development, turning a regulatory matter into criminal punishment—a "double standard" against open-source developers ([22:38]).
• Defense of Rights: Lauren and Efrat echo that "Privacy isn't just a human right. Privacy is a human fight because you lose the rights you're not willing to fight for." ([24:42])
• Why It Matters: The episode closes with a rallying message to the audience to care for free speech and digital sovereignty, decrying erosion of constitutional rights ([24:09]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Being Raided:
  "I think my initial thought was, oh, they have the wrong house... Later that same day, once his public defender... relay[ed] to me the charges, I was shocked, absolutely shocked."
  — Lauren Rodriguez ([09:16]–[09:39])

• On the System’s Motivation:
  "They were not motivated by truth or justice. They were after getting this prosecution, no matter the cost, no matter if they had to break the law, because that's what they did. When you hide evidence... that's illegal."
  — Lauren Rodriguez ([11:53])

• Defending Privacy:
  "Privacy isn’t just a human right. Privacy is a human fight because you lose the rights you’re not willing to fight for."
  — Lauren Rodriguez ([24:42])

• On Community Action:
  "Each individual person's voice does matter... they can be loud and we can make a difference."
  — Lauren Rodriguez ([02:53])

• Broader Context:
  "This could touch every developer, period, in the US. That's a huge demographic… Anyone with an Internet connection who has a starting point can trace and find out your complete financial history, where you spend your bitcoin, who you're associating with..."
  — Lauren Rodriguez ([00:54], [13:11])

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Important Segment Timestamps

• [00:45] – DOJ’s case and impact on developers
• [02:34] – Reflections on the Bitcoin conference panel
• [03:26] – Political influence and constituent power
• [04:24] – Meeting with Senator Lummis
• [05:19] – Efforts for a presidential pardon
• [09:16] – Lauren recounts the day of Keone’s arrest
• [11:53] – Discussion of evidence suppression by prosecution
• [13:11] – Explanation of Samurai Wallet and privacy concerns
• [15:30] – Community action and donations
• [16:47] – The cost of imprisonment (Ross Ulbricht quote)
• [17:21] – “Notes from the Inside”—Keone's prison letters
• [18:31] – Keone’s mental state and Lauren’s hope
• [22:38] – Legal double standards for software developers
• [24:42] – "Privacy is a human fight" and defending rights

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How Listeners Can Take Action

• Visit: billandkeone.org
• Sign the petition: (Change.org link via billandkeone.org)
• Donate: To support legal efforts ([16:00])
• Write a Letter: Instructions and address on the website ([19:52])
• Spread Awareness: Share Keone’s letters, talk about the case, use your voice

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Contact & Further Resources

• Lauren: Reach via billandkeone.org or the X (Twitter) link in show notes ([25:24])
• Efrat Fenigson: All links at linktr.ee/efenigson
• Keone’s Letters: Published by The Rage, Bitcoin Magazine, and Tales from the Crypt ([17:54])

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Tone and Takeaway

The episode is passionate, urgent, and personal—calling for solidarity and activism across the Bitcoin and broader technology communities. Lauren’s resilience and Efrat’s advocacy highlight the episode’s core message: defending freedom, privacy, and speech requires every voice. Through practical steps and awareness, listeners are empowered to make a difference in Keone’s case—and in the protection of digital rights everywhere.

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Transcript

[Lauren Rodriguez]

Being woken up out of sleep and there's lights and there's noises and there's people around the house and just the overwhelming presence of it. I think my initial thought was, oh, they have the wrong house. They were not motivated by truth or justice. They were after getting this prosecution, no matter the cost, no matter if they had to break the law, because that's what they did. When you hide evidence, exculpatory evidence, which is what they did, that is there was no due process, there was, you know, violations, you know, code is speech. Ross had, I believe, told Keone, even with a five year sentence, being in prison, you slowly die on the outside to people around you because they think about you less. It's just you're not there, you're not in the present. So that's kind of what I've been

[Efrat]

motivated to do, is to keep the conversation alive. The DOJ's case against Keone sets a precedent that could touch every bitcoin developer and as you said on the panel,

[Lauren Rodriguez]

every developer period in the US estimated between 35 and 70 million bitcoin owners. That's a huge demographic. Anyone with an Internet connection who has a starting point can trace and find out your complete financial history, where you spend your bitcoin, who you're associating with through that, and then as well as your holdings. Privacy isn't just a human right. Privacy is a human fight because you lose the rights you're not willing to fight for. Foreign.

[Efrat]

Hello. Welcome to another episode of you're the Voice. I'm here with Lauren Rodriguez from Vegas 2026. Hey, Lauren, how are you?

[Lauren Rodriguez]

Hi, Afra. Thank you so much for having me on. Thank you for moderating our panel earlier. You were so gracious and it was just really made the whole kind of a scary thing. Being on such a large stage made

[Efrat]

it feel a little. Yeah. Shout out and thank you to the organizers for making this happen. I was so ecstatic that we were given that stage to bring out those messages and to have you ladies there speaking out, that was powerful.

[Lauren Rodriguez]

Yeah. And it's great that they do. You know, Bitcoin Conference is such a huge global name and that the fact that they did platform us, you know, and our stories in the Free Samurai and the other political person on the news stage was very meaningful.

[Efrat]

So let's start there. The panel we just did. What are you taking away from that conversation, from the participation you saw, the engagement of people around us in the audience and here at the show? What are you taking away from that first few Hours in the morning that we had.

[Lauren Rodriguez]

You know, I hope that it is something that has reached people that maybe weren't familiar with the case before. And I hope that they leave, whether they were at home watching or watching now that they don't leave just like, oh, that's really sad. I feel bad for her. But leave motivated because each individual person's voice does matter, and whether it's posting about it, talking about the story, donating, signing the petition, telling their maybe non bitcoin or non terminally online friends and family that this case is happening and that it matters. You know, their voices really do carry weight together. You know, they can be loud and we can make a difference. And then also what I found, I think, most interesting is before our talk and immediately after our talk, there was politicians here. And they're here at this conference because Bitcoiners are a very powerful. Yeah. Donation group. Right. There's a lot of money. And, you know, I think it's important that people reach out to these politicians that are wanting their votes, wanting their contributions, and saying, well, you need to do something for me. You need to speak about a matter that I care about and that you have the power to do something about, because they work for us.

[Efrat]

And did you speak to any of them?

[Lauren Rodriguez]

I did. I was able to speak with Senator Lummis, and she was so gracious, and she's. And has been a supporter, and, you know, she's been a supporter of bitcoin for just forever. And so it's. That was really nice, and she was very compassionate and so sorry for. For what I'm going through. But, you know, hopefully I'll get a chance to speak to some other politicians while I'm here. We'll see. They might see me coming.

[Efrat]

Okay. Crossing fingers. We did not have the general. Attorney. Attorney general. Sorry, And Cash Padel that were supposed to be here, and we were hoping that we would hear something from them that could shed some light on the direction that this is taking. Do you have some information to share with us about how things are looking like behind the scenes? Are there any advancements towards reaching a pardon? Is there anything you can share with us to just kind of update the plebs that really care?

[Lauren Rodriguez]

Well, you know, I'm hopeful, and I will say that there's been a lot of people that have been, you know, trying to work their magic behind the scenes and trying to reach the administration and explain that this is something that people care about, because this isn't just a niche topic. There are in the US estimated between 35 and 70 million bitcoin owners. That's a huge demographic, so 10 to

[Efrat]

20% of the population, if I'm not wrong.

[Lauren Rodriguez]

We can sway elections. And so for them to hopefully again get it that this matters is the goal. I think, you know, people are, like I said, working really hard and I'm so grateful to all the effort everyone's put into because there's no way I could do this alone. Their Talk, the acting U.S. attorney Todd Blanche and the head of the FBI, Kash Patel, was, you know, they said some things and they said they don't want to, and they don't want to prosecute developers for the actions of their users. And a lot of it was reiterating what Todd Blanchett put out when he was deputy AG in his memo. And they're great talking points and really positive and. But there's still people sitting in the prison cells and do they translate to action? Yeah. And we have Roman Storm, who they're prosecuting. And it's just a matter of. So is it just a matching up with language? And I'm hopeful. I still am hopeful. Like, I know, I know there's so many rules of engagement and talking that like, I don't understand as a normal person. And they're so under the microscope of every little thing that they do. So, like, you know.

[Efrat]

Incredible, huh? We're living our lives thinking that those people are working for us. And there are so many interests at play and agendas that they have to be careful about. All right, take us back to the moment that the arrest has happened. What did you know? What did you not know? How did you hold it together in those first dates?

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[Lauren Rodriguez]

So at first, I think by being woken up out of sleep and there's lights and there's voices and there's people around the house and just the overwhelming presence of it, I, I think my initial thought was, oh, they have the wrong house, right? They do, they do that. And that happens here where it gets on the news where they're trying to like, raid a meth lab and they get the neighbor's house. Oh, my God.

[Efrat]

I did not think about that.

[Lauren Rodriguez]

And that's was my initial thoughts, like, what this camp for us? Like, what? And then I shortly realized, I know they were after. It was because, yeah, they arrested Keone, so clearly they were after us. And then later that same day, once his public defender in Pittsburgh, where we live, was able to talk to him, she was able to kind of show him and then relay to me the charges. And I was shocked, absolutely shocked. Because, you know, we had legal advice and we were, we were following the guidelines, which were very clear. Clear put out by Vincent in 2013 and then reiterated in 2019.

[Efrat]

Did you ever envision such a scenario in your head? Like, never, never, never.

[Lauren Rodriguez]

Because if you're. And it was said in black and white, if you're not trying, yeah, you're fine. You don't need a license. And then for them to charge unlicensed conspiracy to operate an unlicensed money transmitting business and conspiracy to money launders, I go, who? No, there was none of that. And so at that point it was like, well, they just must not understand the tech.

[Efrat]

Right.

[Lauren Rodriguez]

This is really advanced and innovative. Exactly. So they must not get it. And they'll, we'll just explain it.

[Efrat]

It'll all go away.

[Lauren Rodriguez]

And then it didn't. And then it even said in their indictment that they, they understood that it wasn't custodial. Just things kind of went by and there was, you know, I mentioned the Blanche memo earlier saying that they were no longer going after Developers, they're going to go after criminals. And so when that came out, that was another moment of this is it. Yeah, yeah, this is it. They're going to drop charges. How can they continue these charges? And it didn't happen. And so it's just been. And then we had a judge change who just denied all of our motions without any comments. And so it's just kind of been one letdown after another.

[Efrat]

Yes. It's like this disappointment after disappointment. And at what point do you look at that collection of disappointments and go, oh, maybe there is an intention behind this anyway, like, this is not like a coincidence of disappointments. This is all intended to go in that direction.

[Lauren Rodriguez]

And when my mind really, I think sat on, that was probably two points. The fact that the prosecution hid evidence. If they believed in their case, they would not have had to hide evidence. Everything would have been on the table because. Yeah, so clearly they were not motivated by truth or justice. They were after getting this prosecution, no matter the cost, no matter if they had to break the law, because that's what they did. When you hide evidence, exculpatory evidence, which is what they did, that is illegal. And they, you know, so is that point. And then.

[Efrat]

But they're be. They're above the law.

[Lauren Rodriguez]

Right? It's like, unfortunately, it seems so.

[Efrat]

Yep. It kills me every time Keone was prosecuted for writing code non custodial open source Bitcoin privacy software. We just talked about that on the panel. For listeners who are not deeply in the technical weeds, what exactly did he build and why did the government come for him? And by the way, if you don't know a lot, I don't want the full background because there is episode 113 that I did with Keone two days before he went to prison. And we talked about all that, but just to give, you know, a taste of it, just so people understand what was built here.

[Lauren Rodriguez]

So I'll start off with. Bitcoin is an open ledger. And when Satoshi wrote the white paper, he addresses it in there that, you know, you shouldn't be leaking IDs, you know, real world identities to Bitcoin addresses. You should like, there's a couple things to keep it private that he lists out. Well, the way Bitcoin has been operating for kind of past 10 years maybe. So pretty shortly after its inception were exchanges came about. And so people started linking their real world IDs to their Bitcoin holdings. And the way it works is when there's breaches or there's this or that. Or if you buy something from a vendor and they have your name because it's an open ledger, anyone with an Internet connection who has a starting point can trace and find out your complete financial history, where you spend your Bitcoin, who you're associating with through that and then as well as your holdings. So as you can, they can see

[Efrat]

how much Bitcoin you have in your wallet.

[Lauren Rodriguez]

And as you can imagine, that can be potentially dangerous. And it has been. There's lots of cases of that. So what Samurai did was offer non custodial, as you said, software that pretty much provided transactional privacy that you would expect from the legacy financial system. So people can't just, you know, look

[Efrat]

into your bank account.

[Lauren Rodriguez]

Exactly. And so this is what it offered, it protected.

[Efrat]

All sounds normal when we're talking about the commercial banking system, but once we talk about Bitcoin, it becomes, becomes forbidden to have this kind of privacy. Sorry, go on.

[Lauren Rodriguez]

Yeah, so that's, I mean that's really. That's the goal. It was just to provide. Yeah. The same level of transactional privacy and it wasn't. Again, it's not about hiding because you're doing something bad. It's about being able to selectively reveal to people that you choose, whether that be. Or tax reporting or your mother or your mother who. Or your wife who maybe doesn't know you, you know, are subscribing to OnlyFans. Right. Like, it's just whatever it is, we don't judge but you know, that's. It's up to you to choose that. It shouldn't be up to anyone with an Internet connection.

[Efrat]

Exactly. The DOJ's case against Keones sets a precedent that could touch every Bitcoin developer and as you said on the panel, every developer period in this space. So what does the community need to do about it? What are you not getting from them that you think we need?

[Lauren Rodriguez]

So firstly, just noise. More attention. So thank you for this. This is a huge thing. Also, you know, if I'm being blunt, donations definitely have petered out.

[Efrat]

It's. And we'll put a link to the website billinkiani. Com is it billinkiani.

[Lauren Rodriguez]

Org.

[Efrat]

Put a link to it in the show notes show. Click on that, put your signature and donations.

[Lauren Rodriguez]

Yes, those are huge. And then again, if you have any connections, if you know, it might be kind of like maybe I know someone in the administration but like really just willing to make that phone call, send that text message, bring to light, post about it, like just keep it out There. So Ross had, I believe, told Keone this, that, like, even with a five year sentence, being in prison, you know, you slowly die on the outside, like to the people around you because they think about you less. It's just you're not there. You're not in the present. So, like, that's kind of what I've

[Efrat]

been motivated to do is to keep the conversation alive.

[Lauren Rodriguez]

Yeah. So people don't forget that they, you know, are in prison because he just, you know, spoke to you two days before and just like mismedia blitz and, like, really got people talking. And I've been trying, but I'm not, you know. No, you're doing great work.

[Efrat]

You're doing great work. If I'm not mistaken, there is a. Correct me if I'm wrong, monthly or weekly letter that Keone's sending, and then it's being published. Can you say a bit about that?

[Lauren Rodriguez]

Yeah. So he's been writing letters. They're called Notes from the Inside. I think there's been six now, and a lot of them are just kind of what prison's been like for him. I, you know, I might be a little biased, but I think he's a really great writer. I think they're really funny.

[Efrat]

No, he writes really well and they're,

[Lauren Rodriguez]

you know, I really enjoy the stories because it is just such a different universe and these kind of weird characters.

[Efrat]

It's really bizarre, huh?

[Lauren Rodriguez]

So it's the neat way for him to kind of stay connected to the outside world.

[Efrat]

And where can people find it?

[Lauren Rodriguez]

So the Rage publishes it first, and then it's also gotten syndicated on Bitcoin Magazine and Tales from the Crypt. So those, they've also picked it up, which is great because just, you know, more people.

[Efrat]

I should definitely syndicate it to my blog as well. I mean, it's not huge, but, you know, 15,000 people.

[Lauren Rodriguez]

Yeah. Enjoyable to read. I mean, really.

[Efrat]

Absolutely.

[Lauren Rodriguez]

They're not dry.

[Efrat]

Absolutely. Absolutely. Okay. I love that. Can you share with us how Keone is doing inside? What is he really feeling? I mean, I know he's sharing it in the letters, but for people who haven't read it yet.

[Lauren Rodriguez]

So I have to say, it's hard because we are so hopeful for a pardon. It's like every day it might happen. So it's that highs and lows as opposed to. And he said this, like, if it was just. If there wasn't that hope, then it's just like, I gotta do the time. Then I just buckle down and do the time. It's really boring in There, like, he reads about a book a day to the point where it's boring to read. You know, there's not a lot for someone who was so dedicated to his work and to building and to creating, to have that stripped away is. It's hard. It is. And then also being disconnected. Right. We're all so connected. You know, my phone's in my hand way too much. That's all gone. Like, so he loves getting letters from people. That is his little connection. And he does write back. And so, you know, there's things. He tries to stay engaged. You know, it's. It's. I'm more very blessed that it's. It's not a violent place. It's, you know, nothing like that.

[Efrat]

But.

[Lauren Rodriguez]

But it's still prison and he's still. Still in there. Yeah, yeah. You know, and it's still in there wrongly. It's not like. It's not like you're like, okay, well, I did this and I have to take the punishment. It's. I shouldn't be here. And there's a chance I could get out early. So that's. That's where it is.

[Efrat]

Yeah, that's not easy at all. I encourage people to write in letters. We will put also the. The address. If you want to write in the letter, it has to be an analog letter, not an easy email, not digital, you know, pen and paper. The good old days. So in this kind of reality that you're living in right now, what gives you hope? What keeps you optimistic? Where do you draw the power from? You know, I'm. I admire you.

[Lauren Rodriguez]

Oh, thank you. Thank you. You know, there's some days where it's like, no, I don't want to get out of bed, but then I have to.

[Efrat]

Right?

[Lauren Rodriguez]

There's things I have to do. Everything. Home life falls on my shoulders. And then I don't want to miss an opportunity to. Maybe this next person I speak, maybe someone watching this now, this will be the thing that gets to the President's attention, and that's really the hope that eventually it will reach his attention. I believe President Trump, knowing the facts of this case case, knowing that it's the same, you know, courts that went after him, the same office, the Southern District of New York that went after him, will. Will grant a pardon. He'll see. He's. I think he's, you know, will do that. And that's. That's really what drives me, I guess, that. The hope that that will happen.

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[Efrat]

Okay, this is a little card free. Samurai code is not a crime. What would this QR show us?

[Lauren Rodriguez]

That QR takes you to thebillandkeoni.com and there you can find links to the change.org petition as well as links to donate. And then this was just because, like I said, there's a lot of people at this conference that aren't familiar with the samurai case. So just bringing awareness and just kind of breaks down why they should care that it does affect the whole network, like miners, lightning node relay operators. There's just so many people that are vulnerable now with the theories, the novel precedents that they put out in this case. This is again, this is a first time that they do not. If so, people that fall under these regulations, fall under FinCEN are banks, Western unions, anyone who takes custody of money. So if they fall foul of these regulations, they're usually given warnings and notices and then if it is escalated, they're charged civilly as a company, not criminally as individuals. And then the result would be a fine and they're not putting the CEO or the CTO in prison for years. So this is just so out of left field. And that's what's really shocking, that there's such a double standard. And that's not how the US system's supposed to work. There was no due process, there was, you know, violations. You know, code is speech that was determined in the 90s at the Supreme Court level. So that's a First Amendment, Fourth Amendment,

[Efrat]

so many breaches here. Unbelievable. And that's why I am going to continue covering this case and I encourage anyone else to do the same. To follow to send this to people. You know, we got, we have to do this if we care about free speech in this world. This is, I mean it goes back to so many basic principles and rights that we have that we've started taking for granted and they became privileges. But no, they are our innate rights and we have to protect them.

[Lauren Rodriguez]

Yeah, that's Samurai, before all this happened, would say like, you know, privacy isn't just a human right. Privacy is a human fight because you, you don't. You lose the rights you're not willing to fight for. And we've seen that specifically with like the COVID The COVID was such a huge example of just kind of all of this and how easily it's taken away and how compliant the masses are. And so it really takes the people who care to stand up or else you're overrun.

[Efrat]

That's right. Well, that's the kind of audience I have for this show. So I am super happy that you came on and that they got exposed to you. If you want to reach out to Lauren, where's the best place they can do that?

[Lauren Rodriguez]

So you can reach out to me through the website billandkeone.org there's a link to an email there or you can find me on X which. So I set up my X account when I was like anonymous and didn't follow any or have any followers and so it's not the most user friendly to share. So maybe you could click.

[Efrat]

We'll put a link to that too. Any last words you want to share? Anything else?

[Lauren Rodriguez]

I just want to thank you so much for having me on and thank the audience. And again, really your voice matters in this. Just speaking out about it. Many small voices creates a symphony and can really create change. So thank you Lauren.

[Efrat]

Thank you so much.

[Lauren Rodriguez]

Thanks.

[Podcast Host]

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