278: Matt Broke Into A Stranger's Motel Room

Summary

Zane and Heath: Unfiltered – Episode 278: A $30,000 Mistake

Release Date: April 7, 2025

In Episode 278 of Zane and Heath: Unfiltered, hosts Zane and Heath delve into a variety of engaging topics, ranging from critiques of modern live-action films to personal struggles with vaping addiction. This comprehensive summary captures the essence of their discussions, enriched with notable quotes and relevant timestamps to provide a clear and insightful overview for listeners and newcomers alike.

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1. Critique of Live-Action Disney Remakes

Time: 01:01 – 03:54

Zane and Heath kick off the conversation by expressing their skepticism towards recent live-action adaptations of beloved Disney classics. They focus on the live-action "Snow White Snow and the 7 CGI", criticizing both the casting and the narrative choices.

• Heath: "I don't get any joy from seeing live-action Disney movies. There's just them animated."

• Zane: "I heard it's got the worst rating on Rotten Tomatoes in history." (02:28)

They specifically mention their disappointment with Gal Gadot's performance, labeling her as an unsuitable fit for the role of the queen.

• Matt: "Because Gal Gadot is not that good of an actress." (02:37)

The hosts lament the departure from the original animated storytelling, emphasizing that iconic tales like "Jurassic Park" lose their essence in cinematic transformations.

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2. The "Jurassic Park" Book vs. Movie Debate

Time: 03:05 – 03:52

Transitioning from film critiques, Zane and Heath discuss the differences between Michael Crichton's "Jurassic Park" novel and its cinematic adaptation. They highlight the heightened intensity and graphic details present in the book, which they feel are diluted in the movie.

• Matt: "Like, the deaths are insane compared to what? The movie." (03:24)

Zane admires Crichton's multifaceted career as an author and surgeon, appreciating his ability to craft compelling narratives.

• Zane: "Michael Crichton wrote Jurassic Park and he was also, like, a surgeon and a doctor as well in real life. And I think that's just so badass." (03:34)

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3. Hawaii Adventure and Film Studio Tour

Time: 13:51 – 21:21

The conversation shifts to Zane and Heath's trip to Hawaii, where they explore the rich film history of the islands. They visit iconic filming locations from movies like "Jurassic Park", "Jurassic World", and "50 First Dates".

• Mariah: "They had Godzilla's footprints." (15:40)

Zane shares his excitement about meeting the canonical team from Japan who designed new cameras, merging his passion for filmmaking with his adventurous spirit.

• Zane: "We filmed out there with my Super 8 camera and the people that work for Canon ... they were all taking it." (16:42)

The hosts vividly describe their activities, including surfing, participating in a luau, and sampling traditional Hawaiian cuisine, such as Moko Loco and po po po.

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4. Personal Struggles with Vaping Addiction

Time: 23:44 – 31:34

Heath opens up about his ongoing battle with vaping addiction, detailing the physical and emotional challenges he's facing after quitting approximately 15 days prior.

• Heath: "It’s getting harder. I feel like I want to die. I feel like I am worthless." (23:52)

He discusses the intense withdrawal symptoms, including anxiety and intrusive thoughts, and how vaping served as a coping mechanism to suppress underlying issues.

• Heath: "The vape was just suppressing all that. And now it's just opening it up full." (26:08)

Zane offers support and encouragement, emphasizing the importance of perseverance and the benefits of a vape-free life.

• Zane: "I feel like once you get to a month, you're gonna feel a lot better." (31:13)

Heath shares his strategies for coping, such as chewing gum and snacking, while acknowledging the difficulty of overcoming addiction.

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5. Ethical Implications of Reality Game Shows and Lottery Winnings

Time: 42:07 – 80:09

Zane, Heath, and Matt engage in a deep discussion about the moral and psychological ramifications of high-stakes reality game shows and sudden lottery winnings. They reference Mr. Beast's expansive giveaways and compare them to traditional shows like "Survivor."

• Matt: "It's like the most grossest animalistic version of most grossest." (72:03)

Heath expresses fascination with the dynamics of trust and greed portrayed in these shows, pondering how fame and fortune can alter personal relationships and individual behavior.

• Heath: "If you have a group that was five people ... how would someone act?" (73:00)

The trio debates the psychological impact of winning large sums of money unexpectedly, considering both the advantages and the immense social pressures that come with newfound wealth.

• Matt: "How could you do that? My anxiety and how I view, like, mass people..." (78:40)

They conclude by reflecting on their personal values and the importance of maintaining integrity and humility, regardless of financial success.

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6. Reflections and Closing Thoughts

Time: 80:33 – 81:46

In the final segment, Zane and Heath promote their Patreon, encouraging listeners to support their content in exchange for bonus episodes and early access. They wrap up the episode with light-hearted banter and expressions of gratitude towards their audience.

• Zane: "We post a bonus episode every sing, do a live Q and A every single month." (80:33)

Heath emphasizes the continuous support from their listeners, reinforcing the community they’ve built around their unfiltered conversations.

• Heath: "Thank you so much. Love you. You have a wonderful day. Peace and blessings. Good night." (80:46)

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Key Takeaways

• Critique of Modern Adaptations: The hosts express a strong preference for original animated films over live-action remakes, citing a loss of narrative depth and character authenticity.

• Personal Wellness: Heath's candid discussion about quitting vaping highlights the severe challenges of overcoming addiction, emphasizing the importance of mental health support and community.

• Ethical Considerations in Entertainment: The debate over high-stakes game shows and lottery winnings underscores the complex interplay between human nature, societal values, and media influence.

• Valuing Relationships: Throughout the episode, Zane and Heath stress the significance of genuine connections and integrity, both in personal struggles and broader societal interactions.

This episode of Zane and Heath: Unfiltered offers a rich tapestry of discussions that blend personal anecdotes with critical analyses of contemporary issues, providing listeners with both entertainment and thoughtful insights.

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Note: All quotes are attributed with speaker names and timestamps based on the provided transcript.

Transcript

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[Matt]

How's that new liveaction? Lilo and Stitch? Is it good? Is it out? I don't know.

[Heath]

I haven't seen it.

[Zane]

Me neither.

[Matt]

I don't get any joy from seeing liveaction Disney movies. There's just them animated.

[Heath]

There's live actions.

[Matt]

Why do I want to watch a real lion?

[Heath]

Just the animations are come for them.

[Zane]

Matt.

[Matt]

Yeah. Going after the lions. Actually, I'm just.

[Heath]

I mean, did you see the latest one, Snow White Snow and the 7 CGI?

[Zane]

I heard it's got the worst rating on Rotten Tomatoes in history.

[Matt]

And you know what?

[Zane]

Did you hear that?

[Matt]

I'll say it.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Because Gal Gadot is not that good of an actress.

[Heath]

She's terrible.

[Zane]

Is she? She's like a main character in it.

[Heath]

She's the queen. She's. Yeah, she's the evil.

[Zane]

I know. I just saw.

[Matt]

And she was Superwoman or Wonder Woman.

[Zane]

Who's the. The girl?

[Matt]

Rachel Zegler.

[Zane]

That's right.

[Matt]

Who. She had a really bad PR run on, like red carpets.

[Heath]

Really bad.

[Matt]

Get what she was saying. But she was a little too vocal and was not PR trained with her publicist saying, hey, let's be a little bit more money.

[Heath]

No, I don't even. Like, I don't think it was like. I think it was just everything that she. How are you talking that much about a movie that you're in?

[Matt]

Right.

[Heath]

You're talking about a movie that's like Timeless.

[Matt]

She's critiquing the original story of Snow White and saying that Snow White doesn't need to be saved by a prince. She needs to find her own triumph in herself.

[Heath]

Then write your own new new story then.

[Mariah]

It's just the story.

[Heath]

It's a story that was made like. It's just. It's crazy to me. It's just. Write yourself a new one. Write yourself a new new princess that gets saved by that.

[Zane]

It's like. It's like in the Notebook. They don't need to fall in love with each other. They should have been finding their own happiness without another person.

[Matt]

Yeah. What would that have been? It wouldn't have been that good of a story.

[Zane]

Wouldn't have been the movie.

[Matt]

He.

[Heath]

A. It's a. That's not even. It's Right. A new movie.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Heath]

Also write a new story.

[Zane]

Jurassic Park. I don't think they should have been running from the dinosaurs.

[Heath]

The dinosaurs should have been trying to.

[Zane]

Become friends, you know?

[Heath]

Why do we need to make the dinosaurs look evil when it's really us that are evil?

[Zane]

Because we're on their land. They were here first.

[Matt]

Dude. I heard Jurassic park, the actual book is great.

[Heath]

I bet.

[Matt]

Like, the deaths are insane compared to what? The movie.

[Heath]

Well, how would you say they were insane? Like, apparently a potato with a human.

[Zane]

Arms were cut off.

[Matt]

And Michael Crichton wrote Jurassic park and he also wrote Westworld. And he was also, like, a surgeon and a doctor as well in real life. And I think that's just so badass. He had this, like, profession and was like, I'm gonna write for fun. And then you write, like, two of the best selling, like, fictional franchises of all time for fun.

[Zane]

All right, shall we jump into it?

[Matt]

Yeah, let's do it.

[Zane]

All right, baby. Come on.

[Heath]

It's coffee talk, baby. Let's go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Welcome back to Zany Heath Unfiltered. I am the Z to the A to the end to the E. What is that spell?

[Zane]

E to the A to the T.

[Matt]

I'm the M to the A to the double T I'm to the B.

[Heath]

I'm to the B I'm. I'm Skim to the beat. Never heard that song. Never heard that song.

[Matt]

Yeah, I heard about it.

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[Zane]

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[Zane]

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[Heath]

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[Zane]

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[Heath]

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[Zane]

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[Heath]

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[Heath]

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[Matt]

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[Heath]

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[Matt]

M to the B, I'm to the.

[Heath]

B. M to the M to the M. I don't know. Remember that? Remember that girl that used to pop up on MTV on music videos every morning? Love me or hate me Still Obsession. Love me or hate me. That is the question. If you love me, then you. If you love me that. Never heard that song. Wow, that's crazy.

[Zane]

No, I do know that.

[Matt]

Lily Allen.

[Heath]

I have no Lily Allen.

[Zane]

I think that was just a song.

[Heath]

Yeah, it's that song. What did I say? Music video?

[Zane]

I thought you said the person on mtv.

[Matt]

Like a one hit wonder kind of situation.

[Heath]

Did I say person? I thought I said music video.

[Matt]

It's definitely no. Lily Allen didn't rap like that. Really? I just was.

[Heath]

No, no, no. This is a. This was a. This was a girl that like made one song and then disappeared.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Heath]

I don't think. I don't think she ever. Sovereign. Lady something.

[Zane]

That's Sovereign.

[Heath]

Yeah, I remember her.

[Zane]

Lady Sovereign. That was it.

[Heath]

Awesome.

[Zane]

Yep.

[Heath]

Okay.

[Matt]

All right.

[Zane]

Good job. Unlocking memories.

[Matt]

Shout out to Lady Sovereign. If you could be any artist that performs live, you don't have to know their music, but you just like the way they perform live, who would it be? I know who mine is.

[Heath]

Say that again.

[Zane]

Who would it be? Because I got mine. I'll tell you mine right now.

[Matt]

No, I want to open it up.

[Heath]

Can you repeat that?

[Matt]

If you had to be any live performing artists, like, right now, you see their shows, you see how they do it, and if you could be them and let's say you have all their abilities, you know all their music, and you could just trade bodies with them, who would it be?

[Zane]

That's crazy.

[Heath]

I know there's one, because every time I see them perform, like, oh, I wish, but, like, I can't think of it right now.

[Matt]

I wonder if it's the same one I'm thinking of.

[Zane]

You probably want to be Benson Boone.

[Heath]

I would not be comfortable. Not in those clothes. I would not. I would hate that. My body would look so bad in those.

[Matt]

Goes Vincent Boone. I wish I looked that good. I would want to be saying that. Well, but the damn show.

[Heath]

Yeah, I know.

[Zane]

Mine is older. I wish I could have been in Guns N Roses in their prime. Like, if I was Axl Rose.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Zane]

Back then, all time. Number one.

[Matt]

Yeah, just that, Trudy. True 80s glam rock. Just.

[Zane]

Oh, gosh. What? I. Oh, man.

[Heath]

Take me down to the Paradise.

[Zane]

So good. Okay, but who do you got?

[Matt]

Pink. That Pink she flies. You know Pink, though, where she's, like, so razor class.

[Heath]

Yeah, no, I have seen that. But have you seen Justin Timberlake? Not. Not even Justin Timber. I was talking about Chris Brown. This latest show where he's flying, zipping through, he's on flips and remember that? Yeah, I know Pink did it first, but Chris Brown did it better.

[Matt]

Pink looks like she's having a blast.

[Heath]

I know, I know. But she did it first, though. Chris Brown just did it. He looked good. He looked great. Damn.

[Zane]

Who'd have thought to do this?

[Heath]

Guys like that.

[Zane]

Who'd have thought that doing aerial work would have ended Justin Timberlake's career, though? Man, he was probably so excited.

[Heath]

Did he. Did he fall?

[Matt]

No, he was showing his bulge a little bit.

[Zane]

It was like a really tight, like, situation down there with his harness.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Zane]

And then moving forward, he had to do a different outfit and a jacket to cover.

[Heath]

Oh, God.

[Matt]

Just pink. Look like she's having a great time. You're just going up and it has.

[Heath]

Looked like a little pink.

[Matt]

Just a bunch of moms having, like, a 45th birthday. Just raise your gun. Flip, flip, flip. Zipping around, just. I can't imagine, like, what that has to be like in her eyes.

[Heath]

You know, I'd probably choose. What's that guy from Queen.

[Matt]

Oh, Freddie Mercury.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Zane]

Okay.

[Heath]

That. The fucking no presence Live Aid and just.

[Zane]

I want to be JoJo Siwa. Oh, honestly, she's getting a lot.

[Heath]

Sing a song.

[Zane]

She's getting a lot right now for doing her $900 VIP tour package deal. But it is actually pretty cool.

[Matt]

I is that it's a 900 VIP like package or 700 and you have to help them set up?

[Zane]

No, you get to be behind the scenes during setup. Like during the audio check. You spend the entire day.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Zane]

And it's just like a really all day behind the scenes access thing.

[Matt]

That's actually kind of cool.

[Zane]

I would do that. Like, again, if it was Guns N Roses and it was available, I would 100% save up for that. Over a Coachella ticket being $5,000.

[Heath]

Wait, can we read it real quick? Okay. So the VIP consists of general admission ticket to the show. Watch the show from designated audience area of your choice. Exclusive invitation to JoJo's Lives show set up before Q and A and sound check with JoJo. Pretty. Pretty sick that you get to see or her sound check. I wouldn't want anybody to see me sound check. But can you help JoJo put together the show with song selection input. Exclusive autograph JoJo memorabilia.

[Zane]

Oh, yeah. You get something worn during that show.

[Heath]

It's really good. Like access to JoJo's pre show. That's pre show meet and greet and photo opportunity commemorative. It's pretty commemorative.

[Zane]

It's only like four or something like that.

[Heath]

This is pretty good. But $900 is a lot that like, if apparently have to. Because you have to think about it. Parents are bringing their kids to the show.

[Zane]

But like, if I got to walk out without.

[Mariah]

It's not a kid show anymore though.

[Matt]

Yeah, she's pretty.

[Mariah]

Like it's like adults now.

[Heath]

Oh, yeah.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Heath]

So who's going adults? Adults.

[Mariah]

I would say 18 plus.

[Heath]

18 plus.

[Matt]

Jojo Siwal. We would love to go. Honestly, could we do this package just to like say if it's.

[Heath]

I. I think JoJo. JoJo should let the four of us go watch a show one time. And.

[Zane]

But also the fact that it's not like she's trying to cash out on it. There's only four spots. It's not like 500 people are paying this just so she can make money on it.

[Heath]

How many? There's only four spots for this dream guest vip.

[Zane]

It's just so you can have that intimate experience.

[Heath]

So let's Buy it then. Let's buy it for one of the shows.

[Matt]

Oh, yeah, yeah. I. My song selection input would be High top shoes by JoJo Siwa.

[Heath]

Oh, it has to be one of her songs, correct?

[Matt]

Well, I. Well, if I pay it, I have song selection input. And I don't know if she's still covering High Top Shoes, but that's my jam.

[Heath]

Okay.

[Matt]

High Top Shoes. Dylan. I D. Top Shoes.

[Heath]

And do you get to pick when she plays at.

[Matt]

Yeah, I'm like, it's the. It's the encore. It's the encore, Jojo.

[Heath]

No question. I'm paying. I'm paying VIP for this.

[Matt]

No, that is dope.

[Heath]

Because that's how much it costs just to. I feel like, watch Taylor Swift with nothing included.

[Zane]

Exactly. Right from the. From the rafters.

[Heath]

Yeah. And you're. And you're from like, what, the. The peasant floor. For 900. Watching it. Taylor Swift. I think that's a pretty good deal.

[Matt]

Yeah, definitely.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Matt]

I wonder. Yeah, I would pay 900 if. For Lord. 100.

[Heath]

Yeah, 100. All that. Absolutely.

[Matt]

Yeah. Because I don't think she would offer that ever again. And it sounds like a once in.

[Heath]

A lifetime opportunity for four people. That's very intimate.

[Zane]

Yeah.

[Heath]

Imagine you're one of the four that gets to do anything with the artist.

[Zane]

I buy the other ones just so nobody else can have the experience.

[Heath]

Honestly. I mean, you probably. You. You can. You can. Or you bring your friends and family. So, like, it's a better experience than you with random people that you don't know.

[Matt]

100.

[Heath]

Is she coming out with a new album this year? I hope she is, Lord.

[Matt]

She's due for one, but I have not heard any stir in it.

[Heath]

But she did send one of those emails out.

[Matt]

Like, emails. Her newsletters that she writes herself.

[Heath]

So she. She. She did send one out and people were speculating that, oh, this might be because she's about to release an album.

[Matt]

Something's brewing.

[Heath]

Something.

[Matt]

Make it a party album. Lord, I want to rock.

[Heath]

Even if it's a bad album again. Let her cook. Let her do her thing. This is what she. Let her enjoy herself.

[Matt]

True facts, facts.

[Heath]

You know what, is she now 18? How old is she now?

[Zane]

28.

[Matt]

Are we talking about Lord or Jojo?

[Heath]

No, Lord. Lord. Oh, my God.

[Matt]

She would have been 12 and we were like, listening to melodrama.

[Heath]

That's how. She's like 16. I'm on fire. Redemption. That was. That was.

[Matt]

I'm 19 and I'm on fire.

[Heath]

Oh, that was 19.

[Matt]

Yeah. But now, yeah, probably mid-20s, even.

[Heath]

Even if it was 16, I would have got her age way, way wrong.

[Matt]

Heath. Mariah. How was Hawaii?

[Zane]

It was really beautiful. It was really, really special. It was our first time being on Oahu, so I didn't realize there was such a difference between the islands. Right. Every time I would tell somebody that I was going to Hawaii, they would be like, what island are you going to? And it made it such a big deal, an emphasis on, like, what island?

[Matt]

Right.

[Zane]

I never understood that until I have now been to two islands to see that there's such a difference, because to them, it's probably like, oh, I went. I went to the United States. We would be like, okay, what state?

[Matt]

Right.

[Zane]

You'd be like, what do you mean? You went to the. You went to the usa? Okay, what state did you go to, though? It's like that there. And now I get it.

[Matt]

Everyone has their own vibe, or each one has totally different.

[Zane]

But it was really, really cool. It was beautiful. Weather was really nice. It was just kind of hot.

[Matt]

Sunny hot or humid hot?

[Zane]

A little humid hot.

[Matt]

Oh, yeah.

[Heath]

Humid out there. You would think that.

[Matt]

Which shore did you go to?

[Zane]

We were Waikiki, and then we went up to Kualoa Ranch on Matt. You would have freaked out. The film history. Unbelievable. We went on this, like, guided tour on, like, one of those big, like, jumping trucks where you're, like, sitting up on top and you're, like, rolling around.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Zane]

Everything you can imagine. So we were on set where, like, Jurassic park was filmed. Jurassic world was filmed. 50 first dates. Like, the road in 50 first dates where they break down out of here. Dude. There's so many movies that were filmed in this little valley that we're just, like, getting to explore, explore and, like, run around. It was so sick. But basically just got to, like, have free range and run around this giant. Just mountain, range, valley.

[Mariah]

They had Godzilla's footprints.

[Zane]

Yes.

[Mariah]

And we were so close up to it that I was like, what are they talking about? But they said if you go to the Google map, it's the dirt patch that we're looking at. Humongous.

[Matt]

From 1999. Godzilla with, like, Matthew Broderick and.

[Heath]

Oh.

[Matt]

Because they know he goes, where's the footprints? He goes, you're standing in it.

[Zane]

Yes.

[Matt]

Oh, so look.

[Zane]

That's right. Like, we're like, oh, cool.

[Mariah]

It was really, really cool.

[Matt]

So sick.

[Heath]

That's so funny, because that's not even how big the dinosaur was in the movie.

[Mariah]

No, that's Godzilla.

[Heath]

Oh, Godzilla.

[Zane]

Yes. So they filmed that there, too. But it was just really cool that we just got to like see behind the scenes of like all of this.

[Matt]

Who went on the trip with you guys? Like other influencers as well.

[Zane]

Yeah. So we were there with like a bunch of other creators and then also the Canon team from Japan that designed these new cameras. The people that like created the camera were out there.

[Matt]

Cool.

[Zane]

It's insane. Like we were like hanging there like sitting, talking with these people and I'm like, you literally like designed this camera and made it.

[Mariah]

What's even crazier is their flight was just as long as ours.

[Zane]

Yeah. Hawaii.

[Mariah]

Right. Right middle.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Matt]

It's wild when you finally get to like meet the wizard behind like the curtain of something. Like when I went to go to Uno, like Mattel and meet the creators of like UNO Blitz or like Uno. Was it tile? I think so. But just talking to someone like, you made this?

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Matt]

And yeah, this has been my passion project for months and I finally got it approved and this was my idea.

[Zane]

Crazy.

[Matt]

That is awesome.

[Zane]

Like your brain made it.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Zane]

And it was just cool to like. Because I was like filming out there with my Super 8 camera and the people that like work for Canon and are making these new cameras, Canon cameras are looking at my Super 8. That's a Canon also. And they're like, that's so cool. Can I play with it? So like they were all taking it.

[Matt]

To the Canon 514XL. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Great one. Most iconic one. Bring it back. Canon too. I think they need to like.

[Zane]

I'm. I'm really hoping they come out with a new film camera. Like a 35 millimeter at least.

[Matt]

Oh, absolutely.

[Zane]

That's badass. But it was cool. We went surfing. We did that whole ranch for a day. We did it to a lot.

[Heath]

Every day. Like it was, it was non stop.

[Zane]

It was something every two seconds.

[Mariah]

Our call time in the morning was 4:30am every day. First sunset, the first sunrise shots and then we did sunset shots at the end.

[Heath]

Oh, I wouldn't have even gotten up. I don't. I've been like, sorry, do it without me.

[Matt]

Did you go to a luau the last night?

[Zane]

We did a luau.

[Matt]

Nice.

[Mariah]

That's so cool.

[Matt]

Nice. Had some mocha loco.

[Zane]

What's a mocha loco?

[Matt]

Loco. I feel like it's like an egg rice Hawaiian dish. I don't know. It's only like Hawaiian dish. I know. It was like Moko Loco Spam. Spam is.

[Zane]

We didn't have any Spam, but we did get to try a Lot of like the authentic kind of like traditional things there. Po po po po. It's like a. It's what they eat. Instead of like a rice or something. It's like this like kind of sticky, ooh, starchy type thing. It's made with tarot root and they just like grind it into like this like kind of like paste stuff.

[Mariah]

And they use it as they like take a scoop of it and keep it on their plate as like an in between to kind of cleanse their palate.

[Zane]

Always go back foods.

[Mariah]

You just pick at it the whole meal.

[Heath]

Is it good?

[Mariah]

It looks just like this.

[Matt]

It's.

[Zane]

It's so interesting.

[Mariah]

It doesn't taste like anything, but it's kind of addicting because of the texture is addicting. It's kind of like eating soft play doh. Like you're kind of like, yeah, do I like you can't tell if you like it or not.

[Matt]

Oh, God.

[Heath]

Is it kind of like what like when you're eating sushi, you eat like ginger in between.

[Zane]

But they feed this to babies to like fatten them up and get them like a bunch of nutrients.

[Matt]

Whoa.

[Zane]

Like you just like. Like newborn baby.

[Matt]

They're just like he said this at the luau.

[Zane]

This like our friends that we met out there that live there were like, this is what it's used. Like they give it to babies.

[Heath]

They're just trolling you. Yeah, I know. They put. They fill this up with bait and babies.

[Zane]

Yeah. We also take a bath in it.

[Heath]

And then should try it.

[Matt]

Zane, I think you would be a really good like who a hula dancer?

[Heath]

I think so too.

[Matt]

Like, it's just all in the hips, man. Look at you go.

[Heath]

It's crazy because my hips are very bad. But man, I can. I can. I can move them. My hips do not lie. Yeah, they do not lie. I think she care would be very impressive me like if she like if you're not like if she was like doing a concert and she was just like, who wants to come on stage? And I was like, you, me? And I got up on stage, I would make her jaw drop.

[Matt]

Oh, absolutely. Just moving them one day.

[Zane]

But it was really cool. We surfed and then we did like the whole luau thing. Yeah. Actual packed. It was really, really pretty though. I love that dope. I don't know if I like Oahu better than Maui though.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Mariah]

They're so different. Honolulu's city. Like they had a crazy Beverly Hill. I think one of the biggest outdoor malls.

[Zane]

It literally felt like Rodeo drive on Venice Beach. It was very interesting.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Zane]

I think I liked Maui better though. It was more laid back.

[Heath]

Maui really felt like you were like on a tropical. It just felt really nice and I, I feel like meet. Seeing everybody out there, like meet the people that you met out there too. It just really felt like you were like in the culture of Hawaii.

[Matt]

How many islands are there?

[Zane]

There's a lot.

[Heath]

There's like nine, but there's like three. There's three main ones, though.

[Zane]

There's also a new one that's about to be unlocked.

[Matt]

Yeah. Because like some are privately owned by one person. Oh, really?

[Zane]

137.

[Heath]

No, 137.

[Zane]

Surface.

[Matt]

Oh, it's like surface.

[Zane]

Like the way, like the water levels changing and the way that like the formation under the water, like it's about to like, pop. Yeah. Come up.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Heath]

Imagine you have the newest.

[Zane]

No, they're all excited. They're like, we're about to get a new island.

[Heath]

Like, okay, it's being built by God.

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[Matt]

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[Heath]

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[Matt]

Wow. Have you ever seen the movie the Descendants with George Clooney?

[Heath]

No.

[Matt]

It's like a really good, like, Hawaii movie. But George Clooney's character, his name in the movie is Matt King.

[Heath]

Oh, wow. All right.

[Matt]

And he's like, inherited like the island. Like his parents, like, owned the entire Island. His name's Matt King and the King.

[Heath]

Family is really big.

[Matt]

It's just a wild. Yeah, his name's Matt King. I just love it in the movie. He's like, hi, you may have heard of me. I'm that King. Like, it's just George Clooney saying you.

[Heath]

Should get the audio of that. And the tick tock is Zane.

[Matt]

I've tried. It just doesn't hit.

[Heath]

It just.

[Matt]

It doesn't hit. And even if people like saw it, they go, what is this from? From like it's not as good.

[Heath]

Or just do it screen record it, post it as a story and that's it. Just like that's what I would 100% do that. If someone jazzy in a film or show. I'm recording it, posting on my story and never doing it again just to show people, hey, my full name is in.

[Matt]

In a movie.

[Heath]

In a movie somewhere. Just fun.

[Matt]

Exactly. Zayn, what if. How was your weekend?

[Heath]

Good. I'm on. I'm on day 12, day 13 of no vape.

[Matt]

Let's go.

[Zane]

Zane.

[Heath]

Y.

[Matt]

Has it gotten easier or have you.

[Heath]

No, it's actually. No, it's getting harder. It's getting harder. It's. It. Get ready. I. I feel like I want to die. Like, I feel like I am worthless.

[Matt]

What is the point of living?

[Heath]

It's. Yeah, it's because the amount. The amount of time my body was reliant on the vape, which was for 10 years. My. My chemistry is like completely now. And these past 12 days, my body is like trying to figure out what the. Like, like, hey, Zane, we're missing. We're missing something. What the is going on?

[Mariah]

Yeah, that's withdrawals.

[Heath]

No, no. Yeah, I know, I know. And I am. I'm getting these, like, I'm just constantly getting like these visions. Like you. My visions on my younger self. I'm like. I'm seeing. I'm seeing impending doom. No, no, it's like, it's really. It's.

[Matt]

That's so.

[Heath]

No, it's really, really bad and I hate it. But like, I looked this up and this is like very, very normal for everybody quitting. And I'm like, oh, there's no way this is gonna last a long time. I'm looking at people that are dealing with this now after like eight months. They're like still in the same spot as I was in day. Like day. Like 10 or day 20 still now. It's just your body is like healing and like trying to not be reliant on nicotine. Anymore.

[Zane]

And how you're still doing the gum, though, or you haven't been eating the gum?

[Heath]

No, I'm doing the gum sometimes. Like, I'm doing it in, like, a little. Little. But compared to the vape, it's like.

[Zane]

Right, Right.

[Matt]

Did you party at all this past weekend?

[Heath]

No.

[Matt]

No.

[Heath]

Wait, did I. No. No. I didn't know.

[Matt]

But you still haven't had a time where you've been, like, full tilt drinking?

[Heath]

No. Yeah. No, I'm not. Like, I'm not.

[Matt]

That's where the biggest.

[Heath]

I'm not craving, like, a smoke or a vape or. It's more. I'm just my body. I feel like what. What the vape did was suppress a lot of problems that I have. And now it's just opening it. Opening it full. And now, like, my anxiety, my. Everything is through the roof because that vape was just suppressing all that.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Heath]

And it was using it as, like a. It's a coping mechanism because you, like, the.

[Zane]

The nicotine is that instant satisfaction, like, to where if you're feeling anxious or nervous, you could, like, take a hit and you will feel relieved. So, like, when you're not getting that, it makes it even more frustrating. So everything is just compounded right now, and it's just like your brain is, like, freaking out.

[Heath]

Anything ticks me off. Anything. It's something. Something so fucking small, it just sends me through the fucking window. Like, I just want to. I want to hit. I want to pounce. And you're like, five times a day.

[Matt]

What's frustrating, you're the one setting the boundaries. You set the terms. You made the choice.

[Heath]

I made the choice. Yeah.

[Matt]

And that was a tough thing I had with it where I'm like, I'm not gonna go to jail if I break it. I'm not gonna lose my friends if I break.

[Heath]

This is. Yeah.

[Matt]

The dark side of addiction, of what makes people realize your brain goes craz. Like, then really, what is the threat if I go back on it?

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Like, that's how crazy your brain starts putting these thoughts in your head.

[Heath]

Yeah. And I still. I'll see the vape. Like, there's a. There's a vape literally in my room. Right on. Right on. The. Like, the. My. My little.

[Matt]

You got to get rid of all of them.

[Zane]

No, it helped me when I would have a pack of cigarettes.

[Heath]

It's not like.

[Matt]

Like, you're like Ansel Elgor, like, Vault Narus. It's a metaphor or everything right there knows. It's a reminder that I don't want to do.

[Heath]

Have it. Yeah. Like, there's a fully charged fucking vape in my bedside. I can open it and grab it and smoke, but I have not done it.

[Zane]

I mean, it doesn't, like, whether it's.

[Heath]

There or whether it's at the store that I can go run and grab it real quick. It doesn't make a difference to me.

[Matt]

What happened to your nose, by the way?

[Heath]

I. I was. I was. I was smashing my head in the ice bowl for my Instagram video. I was worried. My morning routine and I. I went really hard, and I didn't realize how hard I went until I woke up the next day and it was just, like, bleeding.

[Matt]

I was worried. You've been, like, picking at yourself.

[Heath]

No, no. Just losing your recovery so bad. You're just like, no, no, no, no, no, I'm good. I'm not. I'm not hurting. I'm not. I'm not hurt. Using myself as a. As a way to cope.

[Matt]

It's a fix.

[Heath]

As a fix. But I've. Yeah, no, I've just been, like, chewing gum. I've been. I've been eating. I've been snacking a lot, which is like, you know, those are like, some of the negative things that come with quitting. But, like, it's better to, like, snack than to be grabbing the vape or grabbing the vape or grabbing this or grabbing a cigarette, you know? Like, I'm trying to. I need to. I need to cope in some way. But, like, it's. It's been so hard and. But I know my body will thank me and, like. Yeah, yeah, in a year. Because right now, remember that right now I'm just like, everything sucks. Everything sucks. But there is life without a vape.

[Matt]

You're not alone.

[Heath]

Like, it's really tough for me to do this right now.

[Matt]

Are you reading subreddits? Like, what communities are you.

[Heath]

Yeah, I feel like Red is the best thread for. To get people's. People's perspectives on.

[Matt]

It's the best. It's so good if you're just in any random problem in just life and you have some weird situation, somebody has experienced it, they posted it, and they're.

[Heath]

Very detailed, too, because I think, because they've seen other detail stories, and then when they want to post about theirs, they want to be as detailed as possible because it helped them when they read something so detailed. So I've been reading a bunch of, like, detailed stories about how long it's taking them. What. How. How are they experiencing it? Day 12, day 20, day 30, day 40. And they all say the same thing. I never quit. And it was, like, the best decision I've ever made. It's like, people that got hair transplants. It was the best decision they've ever made. So I'm, like, trying to. I'm thinking about that. I'm like, this could be the best decision I've ever made.

[Matt]

Yes.

[Heath]

Saying, but don't worry, I'll get back into in a year, because, boy, I bought a smoke. It will always hurt. Just a little hit. Oh, but you know what? It's good. It's good to. It's good to. To discipline yourself and don't do it for a long time because you don't want to fill your. Fill your body up with smoke. It's just really, really bad for you.

[Matt]

They don't need it.

[Heath]

I don't want to talk about anything else but this, because this is all I've been thinking about. But you guys.

[Mariah]

It makes you feel better.

[Heath]

You guys are talking. You guys are talking about Hawaii, and. And I'm sitting here like, I do not. I do. I cannot to speak right now. I just have to talk about.

[Matt]

Do you have a counter at all? Do you have an app, though, that you have been counting since the day you have? Because it's great. The moments you are craving it just to look at that counter and go, I've. It's been 12 days. I know. I'm at day 12. And this number is only going to get higher.

[Heath]

Yeah, no, I know.

[Matt]

You see just your accomplishment visually. Your brain's not cheating you into, like, oh, what. What has time been?

[Heath]

Yeah, but now. But now, my. Now I'm just like, okay, these problems that are happening in my. I want to fix it right now. Right. Like, but, like. Like, I can't, because nothing will fix it right now. It's just, like, this aftermath of it.

[Zane]

I feel like once you get to a month, you're gonna feel a lot better, and you're gonna not have this anxiety about needing it or wanting it. Yeah. I think. Give it. Give it till a month.

[Heath]

Okay. All right.

[Zane]

You'll be good. And don't let your brain trick you.

[Heath]

Mm.

[Matt]

Set a reward for yourself. Like, I'm gonna do my own personal trip where I'm gonna go to a destination that you want by yourself. Do all spa treatments, everything. If I. Thailand. Sure. If. Yeah. Reward yourself. Have, like, a goal in mind that by the time I achieve that, I'm going to treat myself to this because I deserve it, too.

[Mariah]

Like, Every month that goes by, you get to be like, yes, I get to do this.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Mariah]

And lean on your friends that have through it.

[Zane]

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[Matt]

Oh, last night, Patricia and I, we stayed at a hotel, and it's one of those hotels, it's like Saunder hotels, where you don't have to do like a formal check in. You basically get a key number for your hotel room. So you just like.

[Mariah]

I've never heard of that.

[Matt]

It's great.

[Zane]

What is it?

[Matt]

Saunder. I've stayed in one in Palm Springs. I've stayed in one. It's like Airbnb but for Hotel Saunder, kind of. But it's like. It's a more like semi casual hotel where I think usually they buy old apartment complexes and turn them into this, like, hotel vibe.

[Heath]

Okay.

[Matt]

But you have a key code so you don't have to go get, you know, the hotel key card. You don't have to worry about keeping up with it as long as you know the code. Patricia and I, we were down in Laguna for a wedding, and we were staying at one of those hotels. And we come back to our hotel super late after the wedding, and, you know, we have all of our. We're like, you know what? Let's just. I'm going to take all this stuff down to the car so we don't have to wake up and do it. And I pick up all the shit. I do two loads, and once again, I'm hammered.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Down in the parking garage, I put all the stuff in the car and I get up to that keypad and I'm like, fuck, 9, 9, 9, 5, 995-135-1, hashtag. I'm doing eight combinations.

[Mariah]

And I'm like, you don't have it written down?

[Matt]

I left my phone. Oh, the room. So. And it's. Oh, no. In the morning, maybe 2:30, maybe even 3. Mariah. And I'm like, put it in. I'm like, okay. And then I'm like, my phone. I go, patricia, my phone is in the room. And then I'm like, okay, okay, okay, maybe I'll. And there is like a lobby there. I go there. It's closed. You can't even enter the lobby. And the only way you can enter the lobby is with the code.

[Heath]

Oh, my God.

[Matt]

I have nothing on me. And I'm outside this hotel. So I'm now running through in my head, what do I do? What do I do?

[Mariah]

This actually sounds really fun to me.

[Zane]

It's horrible.

[Mariah]

But, like, right now it's exciting because you're like, cool. I have to put myself. Let's figure this out.

[Matt]

How long would it take for me to be outside for Patricia to realize Matt has not come up, so I need to put shoes on and go down.

[Heath]

You know, Patricia is the fastest.

[Zane]

He'll come up on his own.

[Matt]

And I'm here running through that possibility in my head.

[Heath]

I can see Patricia. Not even.

[Matt]

I even in our balcony was up there. And I was a little like, patricia.

[Mariah]

Patricia, you're throwing rocks.

[Heath]

I feel like those windows are so thick and you would not hear exactly how. Guess how high. How many floors up were you?

[Matt]

We were on the third story. But I could see our bad. We could see our room, so it was there. And you could do like a cute.

[Zane]

Little rock throws while scalable. Could you. Could you have.

[Matt]

If I wanted to push it.

[Heath]

Were you drunk?

[Matt]

That would have met, yes.

[Heath]

Oh, see, if I was. So me in this situation. I'm drunk, I'm climbing.

[Zane]

Yeah.

[Heath]

And I will make it up there. So me sober will not make it up there. But me drunk, I will make it.

[Matt]

Meant I would have had to climb onto other people's balconies.

[Heath]

That's fine.

[Matt]

And I would have been worried about that.

[Heath]

It's not their rooms.

[Matt]

And then I was considering. Do I go across the street and find somebody? Do you have face? I don't even know. Know Patricia's phone number. Dude.

[Zane]

You don't have it memorized.

[Matt]

Is that bad?

[Mariah]

That's really bad.

[Matt]

That's really bad. I know the last four digits, but I don't.

[Heath]

That's not that bad.

[Zane]

If it's your wife and you don't have your phone and you need to get a hold of that.

[Matt]

Hers is really hard to memorize. And actually, I'm a terrible husband. I don't know her number. I am a terrible.

[Zane]

No, like, if your phone dies and you're like, I got to get a hold of my wife, and you got to borrow somebody's phone or a landline or something, and you don't know, like, the actual number.

[Matt]

I know. I. There are times where I've sat down and I put it to my head, but I forget it in a week.

[Heath]

You're right. No, it. But the thing, these times, you're not really memorizing people's numbers. Like, new numbers.

[Zane]

No, for sure.

[Mariah]

It's an emergency contact.

[Zane]

Yeah. Do you know your mom's number?

[Matt]

Yes, I know.

[Heath]

I know it now because her number is still the same from when I had to dial it or when I had to, like. Okay, you know what I mean? If she changed her number and, like, within the last year or two. No, I would not know her number now.

[Matt]

I know it'd be impossible. The only person.

[Zane]

Okay.

[Matt]

Phone number. I know.

[Mariah]

I know my parents, my siblings, and Heath.

[Matt]

I know my dad's and my friend.

[Mariah]

From second grade for somewhere. Her home number.

[Heath]

Yeah. And if you're thinking about it on your iPhone, you're not dialing numbers anymore. You're just clicking a name and pressing call.

[Zane]

Right.

[Mariah]

But an emergency, like when Heath and I first started dating, and I was. And I was like, oh, he's the one. I made sure to, like, sit there and, like, before bed.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Mariah]

Like, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da. Try to guess it.

[Matt]

Great wife.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Mariah]

Well, I just always think, like, just if something happens. Well, he's the only one in California that I would go to.

[Zane]

Also, like, I put her number down almost Weekly or monthly on random things.

[Mariah]

You know, like WI Fi on the plane.

[Zane]

WI Fi if I'm booking the flight or if I'm. If we're going somewhere, like, going to like, a grocery store. We're going to thing like, to. What's your number for? Like, the rewards. Things like typing it in. Like, I just kind of like.

[Mariah]

Well, this always putting. Start memorizing phone numbers again.

[Heath]

What's my number?

[Zane]

What's my.

[Mariah]

Has me.

[Heath]

I don't have. I told you, I don't memorize people's numbers.

[Zane]

No, it's. I. I literally just have, like, family and Mariah. That's. That's it.

[Heath]

I feel like having my number memorizes.

[Mariah]

Then you are not our emergency contact.

[Matt]

I'm sorry.

[Mariah]

You are the emergency.

[Heath]

All right, all right.

[Zane]

I'm going to. I'm going to look at. Well, you also changed your number at one point, but let me look at your number real quick just to see if it looks familiar.

[Heath]

No, it doesn't because it's not my Florida number.

[Zane]

Yeah, that's not it.

[Mariah]

Wait, we didn't finish.

[Heath]

My last one looked like me.

[Matt]

So I was outside for about.

[Mariah]

How long did it take? She came down.

[Matt]

No, no, she died. She didn't. I broke. I broke into the place. How.

[Heath]

There you go.

[Matt]

Area on the side of the building that I could. So I partially kind of climbed into someone's. Like, in this. You went into somebody's room to get in their room? Just like the outside of their room and broke. Death. I. I mean, yeah, I scaled the, like, the building and got in.

[Heath]

Do you have a picture of, like, what the building looked like? Like, I just want to see an image of what you were scaling.

[Matt]

It's not that bad of a scale. Like. Or it's an easy scale. It's like.

[Heath]

I'm sorry, I'm a visual person.

[Matt]

If it's like. If you were an apartment and you were trying to break in to get into a pool, it's like a gate climbing over. Oh.

[Zane]

Oh.

[Heath]

It's like that. I thought you said you were on.

[Matt]

The third story, but it's like. It's like a motel apartment style. So I did. I was still able to get to our floor without. It's like a courtyard, top style.

[Heath]

Okay.

[Matt]

All right. So the doors face the outside, but it's still encased in it, right?

[Heath]

Yeah. Okay. All right.

[Matt]

But it was one of the situations where you're like, I have nothing to get me out of this situation. All I can do is just try to figure this out.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Zane]

And, yeah, it reminds me of my dad. My mom and dad have, like, a pretty big property in Tennessee, and the shed is not in eyesight of where the house is, and it's, like, down around the corner a little ways. And my dad went down there to go do something on the roof of the shed. He was like. I don't know if he was, like, fixing shingles or whatever it was, but he brought his ladder, and he got on top of the roof of the shed, and as he was, like, getting up there, something happened, and the ladder slid and fell off.

[Matt]

Oh, no.

[Zane]

So he stuck up on top of the shed, and he noticed it, and me, like, he got up.

[Heath]

How high is it?

[Mariah]

High enough where he couldn't get down.

[Zane]

It's maybe as tall as this, like, 12ft.

[Heath]

Oh, that's bad. Yeah.

[Zane]

And he's up there. He noticed it fell immediately behind him. He did what he had to do. And then he was like, okay. He was just standing there looking off the edge, and he's like. Like, I'm way too old to jump. He's like. Like, his knees are already bad. His back is horrible. He's like. He knew if he was to jump, it would. It would not go well, but he was up there for a long.

[Matt]

Is your mom home?

[Zane]

Yes, but he does things in the yard all the time.

[Mariah]

Is why you got him the apple watch so he could call the house?

[Zane]

Yes. He didn't have his phone on him. And he's sitting up there for, I think. I think, hours. And my mom ended up going down there, and my dad said that he was about one minute away from just saying screw it and jumping if my. Am I. He would have jumped if my mom didn't show up. Exactly when she did.

[Heath]

Why. Why didn't he call for her?

[Zane]

He didn't have his phone.

[Heath]

No, no, no. Like, scream her name. He was. It was too far.

[Zane]

Yeah.

[Matt]

He couldn't bang on, like, the roof or something. That's where I was thinking that the entire time ago. How long would it take for Patricia to realize Matt has been gone too long? I need to physically go down and look for him, for my mom to.

[Zane]

Get down and go walk down to where that shed is. Like, it was a long.

[Matt]

Because I think for Patricia, if 10 minutes have passed and I realized her phone was there, I would immediately go. I. Yeah. I don't know. But I also feel like it's kind of different with. I don't want to say, like, it's different for guys and girls, but I think for Me, it would have been a lot faster. Like, she has not been back. Where is she? Ten minutes have passed.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Matt]

She was going down to do one thing. Like, would have Patricia ever come down? That's like, right, Right. I don't know. It's just. Do you think you. If he was gone in that situation, What.

[Zane]

What am I running out for?

[Matt]

You are just taking the clothes down to the parking garage and putting the clothes in the park in your car.

[Mariah]

I'm pretty quick.

[Zane]

She would. Yeah.

[Matt]

I was gone for 20 minutes, like, and I think I was a little, like, with Patricia. I go, you weren't like, were you worried? She goes, no. I don't know. I just think about. She was focused on, like, packing her own stuff.

[Mariah]

And just, like, time flies if you're busy doing something.

[Zane]

She probably didn't realize how long she.

[Matt]

Was fixated on packing her next suitcase for me to take down to the car. But it's just those tiny little things where you just feel like you're trapped. You're in a pinch. You don't have your phone. What are you gonna do?

[Zane]

Yep.

[Matt]

What are you gonna do?

[Heath]

This was in Laguna.

[Matt]

Yeah, it was just in Laguna. But I was like, do I go to the hotel across the street? Do I see if they have Facebook? Do I. Like, how Facebook. I don't know. How do I get in contact with Patricia, like, and I don't know her number. All right. Maybe I would call my mom to call.

[Heath]

Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure you. You'd figure it out easily. Just one number.

[Matt]

A number from some Laguna hotel and be like, nope, you keep calling.

[Heath]

If you call four times, she'll pick up.

[Matt]

You think, yeah.

[Mariah]

Or even, like, calling, like, one of us. Like, someone that has her number.

[Matt]

I would text my mom, mom, this is Ma. Please answer. I need to get in. Caught.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Lesson learned. I need to know.

[Heath]

I know it was cool that you.

[Mariah]

Kind of broke in there.

[Zane]

Getting good.

[Mariah]

Like, that's kind of cool.

[Heath]

They're getting good, these scammers.

[Mariah]

Matt, you're kind of cool.

[Matt]

It was just a frantic moment of, like. Remember that one time with your Porsche where you, like, it was running and you shut the doors and you're like.

[Zane]

I think about that all the time.

[Matt]

Yeah, I think about that for you.

[Zane]

Lock the keys in the car with it running.

[Mariah]

That was like, Jordan, when he went on that date, he locked the keys. They had to wait hours for aaa. Came the second they left, he does.

[Heath]

It again, shuts the door, locks. Thanks.

[Zane]

Appreciate it.

[Matt]

Boom. Jordan.

[Mariah]

Was it the same guy? That came back. He was like, down the block.

[Zane]

Yeah, the same guy came back and he was like, you're having a rough.

[Mariah]

Day, and he's on a date. He's trying to just, like, be cool.

[Heath]

This date is so funny.

[Mariah]

He said he. He didn't tell her that the kid. Her keys were locked in the car, so he was trying to distract her. He was, like, massaging her on the beach. And he was like. She said she's, like, burning. She's pale, so she's like, red.

[Zane]

And she's like, I think we're good.

[Mariah]

And he's like, no, let's just.

[Heath]

I think I'm ready to go home.

[Zane]

No, let's wait here a little bit more.

[Matt]

You want.

[Heath]

You want to grab some coffee? It's really.

[Mariah]

I can't wait for your kids to know that story.

[Zane]

It's so good. Before we continue, we want to give a big thank you to our next sponsor of this podcast, Better Help.

[Heath]

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[Zane]

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[Heath]

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[Zane]

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[Heath]

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[Zane]

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[Heath]

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[Zane]

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[Matt]

I learned something proof over conversation with friends about like tuxes and so if you wore a tux.

[Zane]

Huh?

[Matt]

Would you wear a watch?

[Zane]

You're not technically supposed to wear a watch with a tuxedo, but I still do it. I think if you wear a nice, classy dress watch, definitely nothing sporty. It has to be like a very nice dress watch.

[Matt]

And why don't you wear a tucked with the tuxedo Heat?

[Zane]

Because the tuxedo is its own thing. It's, it's its own. Like you're already at this elevated suit. It's no extraction. You don't need any sort of jewelry or accessories.

[Matt]

Where did you hear this?

[Zane]

Just men's. I, I look up like men's fashion and like things like I learned.

[Matt]

But the reason why you should not wear a watch with the tuxedo is because if you're wearing a tuxedo, you're there to celebrate a moment. So you should not have a timepiece to focus on the time because you should be in a state of celebration. Knowing what the time is is insignificant. And this is a very old school, like rule of menswear dressing and etiquette and stuff.

[Heath]

And somebody always in the moment.

[Matt]

Today. And I was like, whoa, I never thought about that. You shouldn't wear a watch at the top. Even though I'll probably still wear like.

[Heath]

A watch, I think you should never wear a watch. You should always be present and not.

[Matt]

Know what time it is.

[Mariah]

Or you should get a tattoo of a watch with no hands.

[Heath]

I want to do a black, black, full black zing.

[Matt]

It's a pocket watch, like time.

[Heath]

I used to have one a long time ago as a kid. That would be. It was my watch. It was like a pocket.

[Matt]

Oh, pocket.

[Heath]

I brought it everywhere.

[Zane]

You know, it's really weird. My grandpa gave me a pocket watch when I was like a little kid. And I remember being really, really young but understanding that this is going to be something that I am going to cry about and hold on to when he passes away. And it hit me like, I think I was like, like 6 or 7 and I remember bawling my eyes out in My, like, my grip is still alive, but I remember looking at it and being aware that this pocket watch is going to hit me really hard one day.

[Heath]

That's really crazy, that. Six years old, very weird.

[Zane]

And I. It's in my drawer, but I remember, like, getting it and being like, I'm gonna have this, like, understanding that this is something passed down that's important. Yeah, it was very bizarre.

[Matt]

Zayn's grandkids are gonna be like, this was his vape.

[Heath]

His last vape.

[Matt]

Cotton candy plume.

[Heath]

Wait, should I keep my last one?

[Zane]

You should.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Heath]

It's kind of, like, kind of cute.

[Matt]

Pour it in resin and, like, make it, like.

[Heath]

Yeah. Kind of iconic.

[Matt]

A gold plate on it and it's just, like, still there.

[Heath]

Should it. Should I put the. The. The number vape, like the number vape it was or the.

[Matt]

If you want to run that map. And I would not want to confront those numbers.

[Zane]

If you were to put an honest guess. How many vapes in your life do you think you've smoked?

[Matt]

The money would freak me out more than that.

[Heath]

Oh, yeah. Oh, I could tell.

[Zane]

Really? No, I think the number of how.

[Matt]

Many tubes money would freak me out.

[Heath]

Okay. 165. Divided by, like, one every two days. Yeah, yeah. So I'm doing divided by two. I would say 182 vapes a year. A year. Times.

[Matt]

Oh, God.

[Heath]

Times. Times. Let's say nine.

[Matt]

Zane's like, ain't that bad.

[Heath]

As bad as I thought.

[Zane]

How many?

[Heath]

A thousand. 642 vapes.

[Zane]

Wow.

[Matt]

Now dollars.

[Zane]

No, no, that's the actual.

[Heath]

No, that's the number of vapes.

[Matt]

Oh, wait, so when you see that.

[Zane]

In a bucket, though, that's pretty crazy.

[Matt]

Hold on. Of course.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Sorry, I thought that was. I thought we times it by $9. Like, I thought you had 100.

[Heath]

Oh, no, nine. Mine is the amount of years that I've smoked.

[Zane]

And then. Okay, so you've smoked that many times.

[Matt]

That by now times.

[Heath]

Times this by A vape is 30 bucks. A vape.

[Zane]

20 something.

[Heath]

No, no, wait. What?

[Zane]

How much is your flume ones?

[Matt]

Let's just.

[Heath]

Wait, wait.

[Matt]

What you did was smoke.

[Heath]

Remember 1642. Remember 1640.

[Zane]

1642. Good year. What does that say that pebble one is?

[Mariah]

25.

[Heath]

Okay, now look up jewel. How much a jewel costs?

[Mariah]

Oh, yeah.

[Heath]

Or jewel costing. Yeah, I'm gonna put those.

[Matt]

Just do blanket math.

[Zane]

Oh, beautiful.

[Heath]

Okay, well, no, I really need this. Okay, cool.

[Zane]

Average it at like 20.

[Heath]

What was I at? 1642.

[Zane]

1642.

[Heath]

Cool. I'm gonna do it times. Let's say 18.

[Matt]

Yeah. Give it an average.

[Zane]

How much is it?

[Heath]

$30,000. Shut up.

[Matt]

And how much would that be if you put it in the S P 500 and let that $30,000 wait.

[Heath]

Now let's divide that by nine. I'm spending around $3,300 every year on vapes.

[Zane]

That's crazy.

[Matt]

Oh, God. Wow.

[Heath]

I would say I was spending more and more, like, as the years got by because I was more expensive. I would buy those. A box. I would buy that box, like, every. Every three weeks.

[Zane]

How much is in a box?

[Heath]

I forgot how much is in a box, but I know the. The box cost of like 2.

[Zane]

My man was buying a wholesale.

[Matt]

But you had a great time.

[Zane]

How much was it?

[Heath]

Oh, no, I was actually buying it at a. At a. Her discount. The lady was. Lady was taking care of me.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Heath]

My little plug. Funny, funny story about that. The lady that sells me. Sells me the vapes, though. Last time I saw her, she was like, in such a good mood.

[Zane]

Okay.

[Heath]

And I'm like, oh, my God, you're having a great day. Like, like, what's. What's going on? She's like. She's Armenian. And she was like, you're not going to believe it. I went to Vegas this past weekend. She won $70,000 on a lot. No, on the. On the. On the slots.

[Zane]

No way.

[Heath]

$70,000.

[Matt]

Kaching.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Wow.

[Heath]

She was so excited.

[Matt]

A big lot of the Powerball was just won in Southern California, in Anaheim. Why is it always here for? Well, I feel like it seems like it's always here because you hear about it when it's in your town. Like, I guess.

[Heath]

Yeah. I feel if it like Virginia won some sort of.

[Matt]

People were saying that in the comments on Tick Tock. Why is it always in California? Because California's population is huge, so the odds of it are high for someone in California to win because more people enter it. Right. It was for 515 million buckaroos.

[Heath]

Insane.

[Matt]

But you could either take it and.

[Heath]

Then the comments are, you only take half home. Like, yeah, right. Yeah.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Heath]

215 million. Thank you.

[Mariah]

If it was a hundred grand, I'd be like, thank God.

[Heath]

That's almost as much as how much everybody made on that Poppy investment.

[Zane]

It's almost as much as you spent on vape.

[Heath]

Yeah, exactly.

[Matt]

Would you take. Zane would break his vape addiction. If you want the live.

[Heath]

Be like, who cares? I'm gonna die.

[Matt]

Immediately when he wins.

[Heath]

I don't know why Poppy didn't hit us Or Poppy, why didn't you hit us up to invest, period? What the.

[Zane]

We've been on it.

[Heath]

Come on.

[Matt]

Would you rather take it in 30 installments or $243 million alone? What's.

[Zane]

What's the. The how does it.

[Heath]

I want it in lump sum.

[Matt]

So 30 installments.

[Zane]

Okay.

[Matt]

I don't really know the breakup of that and what that is probably 30 years. Yeah. Hopefully you're alive for that long.

[Heath]

No, I want it all. Because I want to put it right into. I want to.

[Zane]

He wants to put it all in Poppy.

[Matt]

But then you still get tax, so it really comes out by Poppy, you make like a hundred million dollars.

[Heath]

That's great. Like, that money. You could buy a brand without money. You know what I mean? Like, but you'd have to make a very smart.

[Matt]

Want to do. I don't. I think if I got that money, I wouldn't want to do just any. Anything that seems mentally exhausting in terms of work. I don't want to do.

[Heath]

Well, no, absolutely.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Heath]

That's stupid.

[Matt]

I'd rather do, like, some good with it and just chill and just chill and take care of my, like, family and just love. I don't want to be like, I gotta get on a zoom call. We have more emails and we have to, like, get this activation started up. And at that point I'm like.

[Heath]

But some people know. Some people want to, like.

[Zane]

Yeah.

[Heath]

Want to keep going. Like, they don't want to stop.

[Zane]

I wouldn't want to be bored.

[Matt]

So the video I saw where the guys working at the gas station and they were. They knew that they had given out the lottery ticket, and they were like, we gave out the winning lottery ticket. It happened here. Would you. If you won, would you tip?

[Zane]

Yes.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Matt]

The guys.

[Zane]

100.

[Mariah]

Of course.

[Heath]

Yeah. Because it, like, just. I feel like, like just the. The universe kind of aligned that moment. And there's a. There's. If he wasn't working that day, it was someone else. Who knows? Maybe he would have just grabbed. So I don't know. Like, you. Yes. I think tipping the guy is very, very important.

[Zane]

Also.

[Heath]

Take care of him.

[Zane]

There's something about, like, you winning that. That you need to be like. Like to give a thank you to somebody.

[Matt]

The universe that aligned.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Zane]

You can't thank the universe or, like, the odds of whatever, but, like, there's one person that directly sold it to you, and that's one person that you can be like, the face to face. Like, thank you. 100. You have to.

[Heath]

I would also think everything that happened that day. Pretty much. Like, if I was. No.

[Matt]

Back to the barista. Like, I won a lottery ticket that day. Thank you for making me.

[Heath]

No, exactly. No, no. It all depends, right? If there was a moment where you were. Something changed your, like, path.

[Matt]

The trajectory of your life.

[Heath]

Exactly. Like, something changed your path to get. To get there at a certain time. Then, like, if somebody were, like, if I was about to leave the house and somebody were to call me and they're like, talk to me for, like, 15 minutes. And then I left the house and then I got that wedding lottery ticket. Who know? Who knows if that ticket would have been mine or that would have been someone else's.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Heath]

During that time that I had that call, I don't know. I'd be paying every single little detour that was caused to make that happen.

[Matt]

But I wouldn't want them to know it was me. I don't know if California, it's a state where you have to reveal your identity.

[Heath]

I believe it's public information, isn't it?

[Matt]

It depends on the state because some states are different. You can accept it anonymously. Some, they want you to say you have to show your identity, which I think is awful. I would never.

[Heath]

What?

[Matt]

Sharing your identity, saying that you won the lottery. I don't know. I. That's an. I think that is a nightmare.

[Heath]

But it's. But then you have to think. I think I. I agree with you. Like, it's. It sucks that their identity is revealed, but in the end of the day, everyone needs to. Like, I wouldn't feel good if I spend money on a lottery. Like, and they're like, we have a winner, but we can't tell you who it is. Like, oh, are you lying to us, then?

[Matt]

That's why they have the rule.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Is to develop trust in it.

[Heath]

Exactly.

[Matt]

I think the life consequences of everybody knowing that you won money. I don't. Success, I feel like, is great. Really. That it's earned.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Matt]

That, like, oh, you had good investments, you had good business ventures, you had success. Of course, that's the reason why this person's wealthy. When people know that you just got fucking lucky and you had the money, they look at you a little. I couldn't deal with the social anxiety. People knowing I just got.

[Heath]

I don't know, I was drawn. I would fucking work with it.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Heath]

I'm fucking lucky. This is. I'm one out of a. One out of a fucking what, 300? Or how many people are fucking. Yeah. You know, I'm lucky and I Know I'm lucky.

[Zane]

Yeah. It is what it is.

[Heath]

Yeah, I know.

[Matt]

Yeah. I would like the privacy. I would like.

[Heath]

I know, I know.

[Matt]

But unfortunately, I would only want, like, two or three people to know. Yeah.

[Zane]

Like, yes, there would be, like, if people knew that, like, the whole stigma of, like, you didn't earn this, blah, blah, blah. But, like, okay, and. And I still got it, baby.

[Matt]

Look at all the stories of people won the lottery.

[Heath]

I know, but also think about it too. Oh, the punishment is that people know that you want it. I don't know. I think that's a pretty. Pretty not bad punishment for all $200 million.

[Zane]

All the people giving you and that. That have something negative to say. We're also buying lottery tickets to try to win.

[Matt]

True, true. I can just smell when people change. Like, or the way they're acting or behaving differently, because that's good.

[Heath]

If they change, that means that. That means they've. They've been in it for the wrong reason the entire time.

[Matt]

Right. But if you never won the lottery, they would never start changing like that. I don't want to see that in for that to haunt my brain and going, why are they treating me this way? Oh, it's because I won the lottery. If you have, you know, if they thought that you want it because you made really good stock buys and stuff, they'd be like, oh, well, good for you. I'm not, like, entitled to any of it, but some people go crazy about money. I would never go crazy about if I knew my friend won the lottery.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Matt]

But people do. And that's what caught all the people who have won the lottery that had. I've had nightmare experiences.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Matt]

It changes your life.

[Heath]

That's a. It's a. It's a really good social experiment to. For someone to pretend that. Yeah, it's a good movie. It's a good, like, movie plot, too. Like, so pretend that you, like, won $200 million and you're. Nobody's in on it. The only people are in on it. And you. And, like, maybe a few people that set up this, like, fake win.

[Zane]

You can like the Jury Duty show where, like, you're kind of seeing everybody.

[Heath]

Around you, how they start acting. It's a really good idea with. When you have this money, but you don't actually.

[Matt]

Have y'all heard about this new game show or. It's like a reality show. I just saw Tick tock.

[Heath]

Oh, it's all Netflix.

[Matt]

The A million Million Dollar Secret.

[Heath]

Okay.

[Matt]

So what? It is a bunch of normal People come and are invited to stay in this house with multiple rooms and stuff. And they're told from the clip I saw, they're all by the pool. They're standing. Goes, you guys will be going into your rooms. One of you each. Someone will go into the room. All of you guys have a box in your room. One of the boxes has a million dollars in. Is your goal to keep that a secret? And over the course of whatever, how many weeks or days that they're in this house, they have to figure out who has the million dollars. And if you have the million dollars for you to keep it a secret and make sure nobody figures out that you have a million dollars.

[Heath]

As a viewer, do you see who has the million dollars?

[Matt]

I. I believe so. Oh, you have to, because I don't. Maybe they slowly reveal it. I don't know. All I saw was that one clip and I go, interesting.

[Heath]

That is interesting. Okay.

[Mariah]

I think I would know are the.

[Matt]

People in the house could figure out who has the million dollars. Oh, I get up in people's faces.

[Heath]

Hear me out. The people in the show, are they like reality TV stars? Are they.

[Matt]

They all look like. No, they're normalized. You got, you know, an like Tammy from Arkansas. You have like a guy who's a real estate.

[Heath]

Oh, these are like, normal. Oh, great. Great concert.

[Zane]

Okay.

[Heath]

So I thought there were different reality TV stars in this show. I'm like, oh, that's terrible.

[Matt]

But then I'm so curious on the producer side, who the. Did they pick to really get the million dollars characters? And they have to set it up for the drama too. Like, I feel like they'd be like, well, let's not give it to this guy, because actually, it seems like he could really, like, carry the secret all the way through to the end. Like, if you had a lawyer on, they would just be like, I don't have any.

[Heath]

It is interesting. You don't want someone too good.

[Matt]

Yeah. You want someone a little fragile, a little weak. Someone.

[Heath]

Yeah, maybe. Maybe that's what they did. I'm gonna.

[Matt]

I can't wait to look more into it. It's like traders. It's all gun under the table type of.

[Heath]

It's great. I like that.

[Matt]

Where it's who is lying, who has the truth.

[Zane]

What I think would be interesting is if you had a group that was five people. Five people that all knew each other. I think would be even more interesting than five strangers, because I don't know how this person acts. They're brand new to me. They could Just be weird and kind of like, whatever and acting kind. But if it was five people that I knew and I was really close with and I could notice some sort of like.

[Heath]

Well, that. That. That would make the show not really interesting.

[Matt]

We would never be friends again.

[Heath]

And also the show would end so quick because it's very hard. Like, me and you or in this room. I think I would know who got the million easily.

[Zane]

Yeah.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Matt]

I'm trying to think if I found out I.

[Heath]

The million.

[Mariah]

I feel like you're good at reading people. Spot a liar. Like when people are in an interrogation room.

[Zane]

Yeah.

[Mariah]

Body language. Like, I'm very good at reading body language. Like, body language is how all over. Like, projecting is a big thing.

[Heath]

They mistakenly had one person on the show that's, like, retired from, like, interrogative. Like, what do you call someone who interrogates?

[Matt]

Like, just someone who's part of high. And see, CIA.

[Heath]

They hired someone that was retired but didn't, like, had no idea, and they just put them on the show like this. That'd be really funny.

[Matt]

I. My thing is, I would get too vocal. If I went in, I go, God damn, I have that. I have the million. I'd be like, who has it?

[Mariah]

Right, That's.

[Heath]

But you see, that, to me, is fishy, too.

[Matt]

Right?

[Mariah]

People could go that route. Or people can be like, yeah, I have it. I have it. And it's. It's really cool. I'll describe the box for you. Like, people.

[Matt]

That's why I get eliminated in any time I play mafia. And because, one, I've never been picked as the killer or the werewolf or the mob boss or whatever, but instantly when I come out of it, I tell everybody I am not it. And I want us to figure it out as fast as we can. And if you're down with me, let's figure it out. And I get cut out so fast because people who are the mob boss, I would immediately be, like, done.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Like, I get eliminated like that because of it.

[Heath]

The thing is that you have to put that act on every single time then. So it's not weird when you are actually aggressive.

[Matt]

The people want to kill you off.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Which sucks, because then you're like.

[Heath]

Like, Matt, you would never survive like, a Survivor game because you would be either eliminated. Yeah. You would be eliminated immediately. And like a Survivor, because it's. You're like. You're a threat. I would consider you a threat. Yeah.

[Matt]

Yes.

[Heath]

Because in. In, like, these type of games, you have to be perfectly in the middle. You Cannot be too likable, you can't be too unlikable and you can't be too out.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Heath]

You literally have to.

[Zane]

You gotta float around in the background.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Mariah]

Neutral.

[Heath]

So neutral. Yeah.

[Matt]

So unlike me.

[Heath]

And they pick these people for these shows and as soon as they see a big personality, they think they got picked because, oh, people are gonna like me. No, they're gonna hate you and they're gonna cut you out. First episode. Like, we're watching Survivor. Your mom, would you do great in the show? I was like, no. My mom would get cut immediately if they saw that she was any sort of a threat where she's like too. Because my mom would be incredible in a show like Survivor. Like physical challenges, she useful.

[Matt]

But your mom would go far.

[Heath]

But I think no, in a group, she'd go far until as soon as it gets split, she's a gone.

[Matt]

I think your mom would form a hard alliance with somebody and then it would like, you have to be like soft alliances with everything.

[Heath]

Yeah. My mom reminds me of the three.

[Matt]

Yes.

[Heath]

She's like one of them. She'd be chat gossip until it gets back.

[Zane]

Your mom would be.

[Matt]

I want to be like 50 years old and go on like Survivor though.

[Heath]

So that sounds fun. Yeah.

[Matt]

We got young souls. I, I believe all of us have young souls and we're gonna be very young sold old people so we can talk well with like the 30 year olds on it. And they're like, we can't eliminate them. They're so sweet. We love having them around. It's gonna be awful to do that to them. And then we are there to the very end and we win that a million dollars. That would be my avenue. Just be the old likable guy.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Matt]

But if I went on there now, people would be like, you're gone. Tribe has spoken.

[Heath]

They just released like a new season and these like, these challenges are getting bad. I saw this guy do it and he got on. He was like, like, like rolling your shoulders like this. I'm like, oh. Like, I can never survive in a show like that. Like, my shoulder would be out by the first episode and they'd have to take me home.

[Zane]

Every challenge is new every year. Like, they don't reuse anything.

[Heath]

I know it's new every year. I think they have a whole guy right in that.

[Zane]

He's like 30 seasons. He's like, I got no more games, man. Just start reusing.

[Matt]

You're also like, you're roughing it. I'm like, hot. I want to go home.

[Heath]

You got war.

[Matt]

And do you want $1,000 or do you want chilies? Do you want the triple dipper? You're like thousand dollars in an ice.

[Heath]

Cold beer to get you anywhere these days.

[Zane]

I give me the food, give me that triple dipper.

[Heath]

But no, like, it's crazy. These shows like this money. It needs to go up. Like these shows that are like the winner wins 10,000. Like, where was that gonna get you $10,000? These shows need to start up in the. Mr.

[Matt]

Beast is the only one who's like giving a proper giveaway.

[Heath]

You saw how he went from like 5 million is like. Or what was it, 7 or 8 million? He's like 15 million. He's like. And it's crazy.

[Matt]

I can't. But the thing is that to me crosses the line. I don't want to watch it.

[Heath]

Why? You don't like, you don't like that? It's up to 15 million.

[Matt]

I can't. What 15 million? Seeing people in their eyes of how close they're about to get that big of a prize, it is, it's so.

[Heath]

Yeah, it's crazy.

[Matt]

It's really, to me as a viewer, very anxiety inducing. And knowing that someone's not going to get that, that and that for the rest of their life. They're gonna knew they were that close. Their family knows it, their kids, everything that they've done that. There's something about it where I understand the entertainment value.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Matt]

People love watching that. For me, I'm like, it's gonna make you sick.

[Heath]

Oh yeah.

[Mariah]

Because the thought. I feel like you're thinking the entire time what you can do with that money and your brain is convinced that you're going to get it and then it gets taken away. You're gonna go into like, I feel like a depression.

[Zane]

You're gonna relive. I should have done this. I should have made. Done this instead. And you're gonna.

[Matt]

That is, that's why the 50, when it gets like the like not just oh, little life changing moment. I'm talking about changes your life and your kids.

[Zane]

Lives and your kids.

[Heath]

Have you guys seen any of the episodes? All right, so spoiler. I, I watched all the. I watched, I watched this straight. I was so hooked. I was like danzing because this is.

[Zane]

I heard it was amazing.

[Heath]

This isn't like Survivor where like, you know, everybody is on the same line until. Until somebody, one person wins a million dollars. This game, people are winning lots of money on their way up to win the $15 million. There was a lady that won a two million dollar island and she was still in the game. A $2 million. She won $2 million and she was still playing. Yeah. So there would be moments where people would be like, you know, I'm, you know, my heart's in the game. I won't over anybody, blah, blah. And then they'd be in a situation where they. There was this one, which was insane. They had. It was. It was a million dollars. A pile of million dollars in the middle. And it was like, it was supposed to be split between like 10 people or 12. Yeah, 10 people or something like that. And the. The whole challenge was each person comes out and you take whatever amount that you want and then you go back in and the next person comes out.

[Zane]

Right.

[Heath]

And so the first person came out and she was like, like, obviously, there's 10 people here, there's a million dollars. I'm going to just take a hundred thousand. Boom. Second person comes out, doesn't take a hundred thousand. They take 270,000. Right. Third person comes out. This guy, the whole time was judging everybody for playing, like, you know, for being sneaky in certain rounds or like.

[Matt]

The moment they go in, they know how much is left.

[Heath]

They know how much is left. Yeah.

[Matt]

And when they come out to people see their reactions to where they're like.

[Heath]

No, no, every person comes out by themselves.

[Matt]

You go out another door, you go.

[Heath]

Back in your house. This is people's house. The way they were staying. The third guy. Third guy, that's been that. And you know, the producers are on there. They are working overtime. They showed they made this guy look like a saint, like judging everybody that made the wrong decision. And then that moment, he went and took six hundred and fifty thousand knowing that there was eight people, seven people left to take money from that. That load. And he walked up with 650. And then they all came back out and all had to face each other when they saw how much each person.

[Matt]

This is where I have a problem.

[Heath]

No, Matt, I was on the edge of my. I could not believe the decisions that these people were making. And it's like, you're on TV this, like, everybody is seeing you make these. It was.

[Mariah]

It was crazy because they have that mindset of like, well, I don't know these people, so I don't exactly.

[Heath]

I'm just gonna take what I need for my family.

[Mariah]

How could you live with yourself?

[Zane]

No.

[Mariah]

Either way, you know what I mean?

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Matt]

I once again, respect to Mr. Beast in the success and I understand the entertainment value. To me, that Makes me sick to my stomach. It's like lab rats of us as humans.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Putting like six and seeing which one's gonna survive because eventually they're gonna have to start eating each other. It's like the most grossest animalistic version of most grossest. Sorry.

[Zane]

No. But people are willing to do for money.

[Heath]

Yeah. I hate.

[Matt]

That's a human nature that. That's in us to be that selfish and awful.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Matt]

And that is in our blood and our DNA to like.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Matt]

It's greed 101. And is it like, are we just like this? Are we capable of being anything better? And those people just.

[Zane]

Just.

[Heath]

I think. I think every person has a. Has a potential to, like, be greedy in a situation like that. It all depends on the situation that you're in. Right. Who are you going up against? Like, where is. When it. Because you say, like, I hate these type of game. Where's the line, though? Do you think Survivor is the same animalistic.

[Zane]

Yeah, it's kind of.

[Heath]

To me. To me, that is also. That is also the same thing as Mr. Beast Games. It's the same thing.

[Matt]

Social game. You have to be nice to people.

[Heath]

But you're still backstabbing people. In the end of the day, though, you still are backstabbing in the. In some way, you're right. This one, you're backstabbing people out of an opportunity to win 15 million. It's the same thing.

[Matt]

Aggressive.

[Heath]

Yeah, it's. It's very. Yeah. No, it's crazy.

[Zane]

It's at an extreme. It's an extreme level.

[Heath]

It is. It is. It is. It's at an extreme level. What I liked about Mr. Beast is that a lot of people went home with a lot of money out of the. Out of the contestants. While Survivor only one person.

[Zane]

Okay. At least a lot of people got something, bro.

[Heath]

A lot of people went home. I'm watching like, like, oh, if you get on this show, you have a big chance of walking away with a lot of money. And everybody. Everybody on the show also got paid.

[Matt]

I know. Set up all that, like, those circumstances.

[Heath]

It's a lot of people.

[Matt]

How he's able to, like, I'm not saying sleep at night. Like, how could you do that? My anxiety and how I view, like, mass people. And if it's something that I made off my own orchestration where I'm like, oh, yeah, hey, guys, it's a lot. You get a prize. Yeah, sorry, you got nothing. You get a prize, guys. And going to sleep knowing you made this whole thing, that's affecting all these people's mental health. I. Once again, I'm not trying to be pessimistic. I do not have the mental capacity.

[Heath]

It's a. You have to be like, you have to be mentally strong in order to be able to run games like that. Oh no, I totally, I, I'm, I, I get what you're saying.

[Matt]

Would be exhausted. Yeah. Ran.

[Heath]

It's a lot.

[Matt]

It's a show like that.

[Heath]

Oh, but I like, I personally, I would love to, I would love to try a game like this. Cuz I'm curious to see how far I would go. Like socially, the decisions I make. I, I would like to put myself in there to see what, who I become. Do you think what kind of person I'd be?

[Matt]

Oh, but you're Zayn, you're successful, you're an Internet influencer.

[Heath]

Out. No, no, no, I'm, I'm not saying right now I'm like me as an influencer. Like I, in my head, like, I. Public perception is probably the most important to like any influencer. I'm saying if I wasn't doing this, like the person I am, I would 100 sign up for this game because I would. I like, I'm just like, to me this is fun. Like, I like, I love, I love escape rooms. I love like wipeout challenges. Like I've always wanted to be in like a setting like that game show type thing. So this would be one where I would definitely like, want to sign up.

[Matt]

I know, right?

[Heath]

Mr.

[Matt]

Beast, if you want to have us on, bring us on. I'd love to see it from my own eyes.

[Heath]

I, I promise, like any video, I.

[Matt]

Don'T know, it's just like I have this like, heavy opinion about it, but like, I would, I would not say no to doing it. Actually. Maybe I would. I don't know. That's what's tough is knowing you're giving.

[Heath]

That on episode two. You give me all of it. I'm taking the money.

[Zane]

Give me the money.

[Matt]

But I don't, I just, I don't trust my mental health that I was like that close to like $5 million and then just for the rest of my life. Matt, you good? Yeah, I'm fine.

[Zane]

If I knew, if I knew that I was one like one tiny step or one little move away from getting $5 million and I ruined it off of something stupid or if some, if I, if I was supposed to get it and somebody took it from me and didn't play fair, that would ruin me for the rest of my Life.

[Matt]

Yes, I would.

[Zane]

There. There wouldn't be a day that went by that if. If Zayn and I were supposed to get $10 million or whatever it was, and it was go in there. Zane walks in and gets five, and then he comes out, and then I'm supposed to go in and get five, and I walk in there and there's zero, and he's on the other side with $10 million. I would.

[Matt]

A gun.

[Zane]

Double homicide.

[Heath]

It's so crazy, because all you have to do is just be fair. Like, just. Just be in that moment. Just be fair.

[Zane]

Do not.

[Heath]

That's such a crazy, like, decision to.

[Matt]

Make as good friends in any good friend. If. Even if you did go on a show and you did a stupid decision, you lost $5 million and you were here with us, we tell you it's okay.

[Zane]

You did. That wouldn't make. Would it make a difference if you told me? I'd be like.

[Matt]

Like, I would still tell you for the rest of your life. Oh, it doesn't matter.

[Zane]

No, for sure.

[Matt]

But a shitty friend would be like, damn, you didn't pick that. And you're like, you. If I had a friend that had been my life friend. And yeah, I made a shitty decision on a game show and they're bringing it up five years later with my wife and kids. Do not talk to me.

[Zane]

Damn, I can't believe you went left instead of right. I'd be like, damn, you went live.

[Matt]

Yeah. Just Darth Vader that. Yeah. You're a shitty friend. If you want to bring up, like, a mistake your friend did that could have changed the.

[Zane]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Trajectory of their life. Yeah. Damn you. Only things would have been really different if you won that game show. Huh?

[Zane]

You threw rock instead of scissor. Huh.

[Heath]

Only you only use it when you're playing, like, a game of beer pong or something and you're trying to, like, mess with his head just to up that shot. Only in those moments.

[Zane]

Damn. Why would you go raw?

[Heath]

Yeah. As soon as you're about to shoot the last cup, you should have picked scissors.

[Zane]

No, done. Done.

[Matt]

You're walking your daughter down the aisle. Your friend's like, should have picked you.

[Zane]

Everywhere you go, it's like this, yo.

[Heath]

Also, I also saw that the contestants, they, on the contract said that you cannot, if you win, cannot split the earnings with any other contestants. So you know how if there's three people.

[Zane]

Well, if you made a pack.

[Heath]

Yeah. If I. If there was three people left. If I was one of the three I like in me, I know, I'd be like, guys, I am down to split this three ways. Yeah. Like, I would be fine with that. Because that at that point you'd. If you go home, how can they.

[Zane]

Force you to not. It's your money.

[Heath]

I know. I think it's just part of the contract.

[Matt]

I'd be like, I'll give you something in five years. So it's that I'll give you like a hundred thousand dollar watch or like, like.

[Heath]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Matt]

I feel like you would sub.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Zane]

Like you could buy somebody. Like, he.

[Heath]

You can. But like, so you're being filmed the entire time on the show. Right. So I think contractually at any moment, you cannot, while you're on the show be like, I'm down to split it three ways. Because if you don't say that, then it doesn't. Then there's no. There's no verbal agreement.

[Zane]

Got you. Gotcha.

[Heath]

So by the time you finish, there's. It doesn't even matter because you won the 15 million.

[Zane]

You'd have to be like, just.

[Heath]

What's. What's that? Like code where it's like Morse code. Morse code. Just hope to God some. One of the three. No. Morse code.

[Matt]

Yeah. Dots and do or.

[Zane]

Damn. That's crazy though.

[Heath]

Like, I like, can't wait for season two.

[Zane]

I'm gonna, I'm gonna watch season one. I need to catch up.

[Heath]

I just like, it was, it was a great show.

[Zane]

I did see that he like lost an absurd amount of money.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Heath]

He said he didn't make anything off the show.

[Zane]

He said he lost like tens and tens and tens of millions on the.

[Matt]

Show, which I had the gonads to be like that. We're gonna lose tens of millions of dollars. It'll be worth the hype. Could never do it. Props to him.

[Heath]

Isn't it crazy? Press. Press now is how much are people are talking about on Tick Tock? Yeah, that's considered press now.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Heath]

It's so crazy.

[Zane]

Okay, well, guys, if you want to check out our Patreon, we have a Patreon. It's patreon.com Zayn and Heath. We post a bonus episode every sing, do a live Q and A every single month. We also keep these cameras rolling so you get an extended cut of every single podcast episode. You also get early access, so you get to see it a few days early before everybody else. And then they're also going to be ad free. So if you want to check it out. Patreon.com zaynandheath you can check out these.

[Heath]

Episodes every Monday audio form on all the podcast platforms and every Tuesday video forum on YouTube.com Zayn and Heath and Unwinders. We will see you now. Thank you so much. Love you. You have a wonderful day. Peace and blessings. Good night.

[Zane]

Toodles.

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