C (1:50)

That was a bad bet.

B (1:51)

Bad bet. It was like 30 bucks.

E (1:52)

That's it? Yeah, I put, I put in thousands.

C (1:56)

When I'm betting they put a hundred grand last year.

B (1:59)

On what?

E (1:59)

On who was that artist.

B (2:01)

No, you did not say a hundred grand.

E (2:05)

One hundred grand.

B (2:06)

What was the artist? Granted, didn't even know who it was.

E (2:10)

That again. I just. Because I do it so often, I just forget who I'm, you know, who I'm betting against. How are we doing?

B (2:17)

Not too bad. Not too bad. It's a Friday, baby.

C (2:21)

I'm not doing too hot.

B (2:22)

Why not?

E (2:23)

We had.

C (2:24)

I'm not doing good at all.

E (2:25)

Actually we had. Actually we had quite an interesting morning. I. Yeah, well he got in. He got in super late last night.

C (2:32)

I got in like two o' clock in the morning.

E (2:33)

So he got no sleep. I wake up, I'm like, oh shit. Like I know he's not up right now. Were you up when I called you?

C (2:39)

I had just woken up.

E (2:41)

Oh, okay. I had a feeling that you weren't up yet because you got. You came in, you got in late last night.

C (2:46)

I had just woken up and I grabbed my phone. I saw your missed call and then I tried calling you back and then he comes walking in.

B (2:51)

He's like, hey, do my bookie.

E (2:53)

But usually, usually he's the one up and out and I'm like getting up and so it was like flipped around for the first time. So that was like, you know, that was like pretty interesting.

B (3:01)

You have travel so that.

C (3:02)

So that was, that was.

E (3:03)

That was pretty fudgeing interesting.

C (3:04)

That's interesting.

A (3:06)

No.

C (3:06)

So we're driving here and Zane's not the type of person that looks at the road and talks like when I'm driving and somebody's in the passenger seat.

E (3:14)

Like no, no, no.

C (3:15)

I don't look at them at all. My eyes are always.

E (3:17)

I'm looking, I'm looking. I'm just not paying. Like I'm looking but nothing's happening.

C (3:22)

So like I'm driving equally as bad.

E (3:24)

It's. Yeah. When. Especially when people are in the car. When people in the car, it's okay. I just don't like to talk too much with people in the car because I can't do two things at once. I'm driving and we just. We. We're about to pull it to 7 11.

A (3:37)

Right.

E (3:37)

And I'm. I guess I've never in this state have ever about to hit a railroad where it's coming down for the train.

B (3:47)

Oh it's like ding, ding.

E (3:48)

Yes. But in Florida it looks so much different, right? It's like it's very loud. You hear it? The lights are everywhere. But I'm driving and I see like red going like this. I'm like, oh, that's weird. Is it a red light? Oh no, it's not because people are still driving. Like, oh, okay. People are still driving and I'm driving. I'm like, I'm driving slow. And then the. The thing is going. I had bro.

C (4:09)

It was about in them. He's like, should I stop? And I was like, don't stop now.

E (4:15)

I wasn't going to stop. No, no, I would never stop. I've seen way too many videos where people stop and they freak out. I'm like, how are you still? How are you still even the train is coming and they like, are. They don't think, oh, they get out.

B (4:27)

Do they pull up their phone?

E (4:28)

They're like, oh, damn.

B (4:29)

Like, dude, you just did that.

E (4:31)

But no, dude, we were like. It was just. It was a really. It was like an old person moment that I had where I was just like, oh, wow, it's coming down. And like, I pass it and then we hear the train. Like, so I can say. I'm like, oh, Heath, that would have.

B (4:46)

I lowkey almost killed us. Like locomotive or like a. Like a rail?

C (4:50)

No, it's a locomotive.

B (4:51)

It was.

A (4:51)

Yeah, it was a metro.

E (4:52)

Yeah, it was like a.

C (4:53)

It was a real train.

B (4:54)

Oh, my God.

E (4:55)

Yeah. And just two. We get to 711 and he's like, if I just flew in last night and we were to get hit by a train today before our. Before recording back and I'm about to have a baby.

B (5:07)

Oh, I would personally kill you.

E (5:09)

I would wake up.

B (5:11)

Page would just be the saddest story ever.

E (5:14)

But in that situation, you would be. You would be killed and I'd be alive.

B (5:18)

Yeah.

C (5:18)

Because I was on that side.

E (5:19)

Yeah.

B (5:20)

And you have survivor's guilt. Oh, yeah. Oh, big.

E (5:22)

And I would.

C (5:23)

So that happens. We pull up five minutes later and we're getting out of the car. We're joking about the situation. We're laughing like, man, what a shitty morning. Whatever. So I'm backstepping, looking at Zayn while we're talking on the sidewalk. All of a sudden, I roll my ankle into this giant hole, like, manhole in the sidewalk, about a foot hole. And I'm like, oh, damn, that hurt. So I was like, whatever. So I just kept walking.

E (5:46)

It was really funny because it was like the only hole in the whole sidewalk. It was like, meant.

B (5:50)

Yeah.

C (5:51)

Zane goes in, peaks in the hole. Fecal matter.

E (5:54)

Human.

C (5:55)

No, all in the hole.

E (5:58)

There's someone. Like, literally somebody was bent in there and just taking shot.

B (6:02)

That hole?

E (6:02)

No, but it's multiple mat. Like this. Like this.

C (6:05)

That is the communal spot.

E (6:07)

Communal toilet that Whoever lives there.

C (6:10)

I rolled my ankle into it.

B (6:12)

What kind of shoes are you wearing? Reeboks. Are you still wearing them?

C (6:15)

Yeah.

E (6:15)

Can you smell it?

B (6:16)

No. You can smell the difference between human poop and dog poop. It's like, oh, that's human.

E (6:20)

Yeah. But lucky for him, it Was very dried out.

C (6:22)

It looked like it had last.

E (6:24)

Nothing was on his shoe.

C (6:25)

Could have been worse.

E (6:26)

It was crazy because I almost killed us. And then the manhole almost killed him.

B (6:31)

My goodness. A series of unfortunate events.

C (6:34)

Off to a good start, though.

B (6:35)

Speaking of holes, did you hear what happened to Patricia's bracelet?

C (6:38)

Have you seen the movie?

B (6:40)

Speaking of, like, manholes.

A (6:41)

Wait, did you.

B (6:41)

She posted a TikTok about this, but did you see it? Oh, even better. Okay, so it's Halloween night. We went out, like, trick or treating with, like, our good friends and their nieces and nephews just to hang out with them and do some fun. And Patricia didn't wear a costume, but then there was a Halloween party. She's like, let's just go back to the house. I know. I have my old cheerleading outfit. It's in the garage. I'm gonna go get it. We had have been drinking all evening. We get there. Patricia then comes in and goes, I can't find my tennis bracelet. She has this nice, expensive diamond tennis bracelet.

E (7:12)

They're called 10. They're called the 10. Yeah.

B (7:13)

Tennis bracelets. Thousands and thousands of dollars. And Patricia has had issues with this bracelet in the past.

C (7:18)

Like, the clasp just broke or something. Like, it's.

B (7:21)

It has fallen off in the past. And we've had a friend usually more expensive. Yeah. Kidding me. I don't know where it is. I'm like. She goes, I think it's in the garage. I'm like, you think? And then I'm like, but it could also be back at the house we were at because we deflated a big inflatable pumpkin, and maybe it rolled up in that. We're all like, hell, this is so expensive. I mean, we pay insurance for this bracelet. It's that nice. I didn't go into the garage. I'm looking all around the garage. I'm looking down at the floor. I can't see it. I'm like. But then I realized we have this massive crack in, like, a hole in the middle of the garage floor. I look down into the garage floor, and deep down in it is like, the diamond tennis bracelet.

C (8:03)

There's no way.

B (8:03)

Like, I'll show you a video of it. It's crazy, but.

E (8:07)

And you're in the garage. There was, like, a hole. Like a.

B (8:09)

There was like a crack in the hole similar to what you're talking about. How there was, like, I guess an apparent poop hole.

E (8:15)

But this one was big. I'm sure yours is really tiny and not full of. There's no way there's no all the.

B (8:23)

Way down in there.

C (8:24)

How did you spot that?

B (8:25)

I just put out my flashlight looking down the ground and I'm like, it wouldn't be in there. And I sure enough I see just a glimmer of stuff. Silver and diamonds.

C (8:34)

And how did it fall in that specific.

E (8:36)

Dude, get out of the car.

B (8:38)

She was moving the tubs around, getting her costume out and it just flung out. And she said she heard like a ding, so she thought it was on the floor, but it went right into that crack. Thankfully. Cuz I was thinking, I have to MacGyver this out of there. Oh, I should go get some chopsticks. I should go. Or I should stick my hand in it. But I was like, no, I've been drinking. I'm not going to do something stupid because already like the, the gravel in there is so fragile.

C (8:59)

You want it to go further down.

B (9:01)

Yes.

E (9:01)

You know what I would have done?

B (9:08)

But thankfully, because I was like, I need tongs, I need tweezers. But all of the ones we had were like too small and too risky. Thankfully. Amazon, there's long tong tweezers out there. I, I Amazon prime those for like.

E (9:21)

The next one or it's just super long.

B (9:23)

Oh, wow. Little Almost like the thing to get.

C (9:26)

The fish hook out. You got the clamp, the long thing. Yes.

B (9:28)

Yeah, it was like, oh, they're like medical grade ones. But we got that, went in, pulled it out. But it was just. We also like left it there for like two days knowing exactly where this.

E (9:37)

I mean that's, I mean, honestly, that's probably the best spot you could just have it sitting in.

B (9:41)

But unless an earthquake came and just. Oh yeah, just shook in that a little too deep.

C (9:47)

At least you knew it was in the garage.

E (9:48)

Yeah.

C (9:49)

And like had a good starting point.

E (9:50)

Honestly. Good thing that she heard it drop.

B (9:52)

Yes.

E (9:53)

Because like you, you would have never again if she, if she didn't know when she lost it. You probably wouldn't have checked that little hole.

B (9:58)

Right. And I think I'm glad I trusted my drunk detectiveness like vibe that came out of me thinking like, what if it went down there? Because also I could have seen myself on any day going and going. It's nowhere.

A (10:11)

Yeah.

B (10:11)

It must be somewhere else and not looking that deep.

A (10:14)

Great.

B (10:14)

Little.

E (10:14)

So guys, if you ever lose any jewelry, check the cracks in your garage door or garage floor.

C (10:19)

You know what I never understood? Obviously, you get the girl what she wants, you talk about it, you know, their style. I hate. You did good. No, I did what she Wanted.

B (10:30)

Yeah, you did.

C (10:31)

You did a good job picking it out. It's like.

B (10:34)

No, really, it was just her vision. I mean, I guess you did good bringing it to life.

E (10:38)

You know? You know what it should be like? I. I mean, I. I know this is not. This will never. Nobody will ever like this, but, like, in my head, this is genius. I. You get a fake wedding ring, propose to her, and then after she says that, you go buy the ring that she wants.

C (10:54)

You're saying just in case she says no.

E (10:56)

You know? You know what? Even. Even.

C (10:58)

So, I think you. If you're not sure they're going to say yes, let's wait.

B (11:02)

Yeah, let's wait just a bit.

E (11:04)

I'm not. No, no. I'm not saying in case they say no. I'm just saying getting the ring even better that she wants.

B (11:09)

Have you seen Sweet Home Alabama with Reese Witherspoon?

E (11:12)

I have a Patrick, but I think I forget what's in the beginning.

B (11:14)

I'm not spoiling anything. He proposes to her, but he proposes to. She's in this dark room, and the lights all turn on, and it's like a jewelry store, like, all to themselves. And he's like, proposes. He goes, you can pick any ring you want, which is like. I mean, it's like a cheesy move, but, like, that's like a scene where you're already there on the spot and you can walk down and pick whatever you want.

C (11:35)

That just reminded me my dad did something really, really cute when my parents were younger. And I always think about this. It was like, I don't know, I think it's really cool. But they had gone into a jewelry shop, and there was this ring that, like, my mom fell in love with. My dad knew that she really liked this ring. He ends up going back to the jewelry store, talking to the owner and setting up this plan. So the next time they go into the ring store, like, a month later or whatever, just to go browse it stuff, they go up to the checkout, and the owner goes, you're the hundred thousandth customer, and you get a credit up to $1,000 to pick out whatever you want.

E (12:15)

Wow.

C (12:16)

All of a sudden, there was somebody next to them that was getting really pissed off because they were in line before my parents, and then they stepped aside. So then my parents had walked up, so they were, like, starting to get into, like, a little argument. Like, I was here first, and the owner was like, no, well, this is just. It's the way it is. Like, you're the thousandth customer and you get to have this credit to go pick out whatever you want. And my mom goes and picks out the ring that she had been eyeing. Check out.

E (12:43)

She's like this next to the lady.

C (12:46)

Yeah, she's ecstatic, freaking out, super excited. Just won this like jewelry lottery, whatever it was. And for the longest time, my mom had no idea that my dad went in there, paid for the ring already knowing that's what she wanted. Had this whole bit set up that she was going to be the lucky whatever customer to get this credit towards the jewelry store. Oh.

E (13:11)

So he did that bit just. Just to like.

C (13:13)

Because he.

E (13:13)

For fun.

C (13:14)

Yeah. Because like not that they didn't have the money, but it was like something that like, you know, it would have been silly.

B (13:19)

Do you think she would have talked herself out of like not getting it?

C (13:22)

Yeah, exactly. So my dad wanted to.

B (13:24)

To do it because he'd be like, well, I have to get it.

A (13:26)

Yeah.

B (13:26)

Because of that.

E (13:27)

That's actually really smart. That's really.

C (13:28)

And he never told her for like I think it was years that that whole thing was like, oh, is she. She really thought she won it.

E (13:37)

Because a lot of people do feel guilty. I mean buying expensive. But the moment they're like, you're the lucky person that's getting this discount, you just almost feel like, oh, this is like. This is like. This is faith. Like, oh, I'm supposed to be buying this item to feel. Yeah, you have.

B (13:52)

I got picked that other guys, they were mad.

E (13:57)

Speaking of weddings, we got new shelves in the studio. If you're watching, look at this.

B (14:03)

We are.

E (14:04)

It's getting there. We're slowly steady making ourselves looking beautiful.

C (14:08)

Matt and Patricia Mariah.

B (14:12)

I did not realize this was behind me. I'm looking at yalls pictures and I look over at this one on my right and I'm like, I don't have a personal photograph. I was gonna say something but I'm like, I'm gonna keep it to myself.

E (14:23)

No, it's right behind you.

B (14:25)

How great. Yeah.

E (14:26)

It's like you both of your significant others and I'm with my mom behind me.

B (14:29)

She's your main woman.

E (14:32)

And you for picking that picture.

B (14:34)

You don't have many.

E (14:35)

Zane, you want to see the other picture? I was gon have let me.

B (14:38)

Yeah. What was the other one?

F (14:39)

I was going to put up this.

E (14:40)

One Jared, but yeah, no, we're. We're getting there, guys. You know, we are working hard and it's coming together.

B (14:48)

It really is.

A (14:49)

Yeah.

C (14:49)

Isn't it crazy? Your wife's out there.

A (14:51)

Yeah.

E (14:52)

And she's. One day she's going to replace my mom. I'm actually going to put her face.

C (14:56)

Photoshop it to replace that.

B (14:57)

Do you think you already know who your wife is? You think you already have met them?

E (15:02)

No.

B (15:02)

Okay.

E (15:03)

100% not met them. Not yet. You never know the Daniel.

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B (16:37)

Is Daniel dating anyone?

E (16:38)

No. But she isn't, like, trying either.

B (16:42)

Okay. She.

C (16:42)

She's not on apps or she's just not trying?

E (16:45)

No, no. It's funny because we'll both. We'll both be on that. Like, we'll both be on the day at the same time, and we're just after. After like a week we're just like.

F (16:53)

We're just.

E (16:54)

We're just fucking laser. Like, fuck.

C (16:55)

That's. That's a start of a good movie. Sitting next to your girl. Best friend.

B (16:59)

Yes. It sounds like a Delaney get. Like, I can never find, like, the right match. Swipe left, Swipe right.

E (17:06)

Well, no, it's Zayn on the dating apps.

F (17:10)

There's a reason he hasn't found his wife yet.

E (17:14)

So. No, it's.

A (17:16)

We.

E (17:16)

We were on. We were out in New York and we. And Jared was with us, I was with my manager and we were just talking about just like our love lives, whatever. And I'm. Or I'm. I was showing my, like, dating app, like, my matches, like, oh, let me see your matches. I'm like, I show my matches. Oh, okay, okay.

F (17:34)

He's complaining that he can never find a connection with a girl and it, like, never gets past.

E (17:39)

No, no, no, it's. Yes. It's not even that. It's more just like, I. I just. I'm not able to focus, like, even focus. I'm just, like, not determined on the app, on the apps in general. And. And when I do try, I just. It's. Oh, it's always, like, it kind of always fails because I'm just. I'm not good at talking, I'm not good at texting, especially people I like. Girls I don't know. Like, it just. It's even harder.

B (18:02)

DMs are just scary. They don't know your tolerance with someone that you only have, like, just digitally an impression of.

E (18:08)

Exactly. Like, every text that I send, if it's not business, there's. There's a tone to it. There's a way I'm saying it every single time, you know, and so when I'm texting these girls, I'm saying it in a tone where I really need them to hear my text.

C (18:25)

Zane. Zane's first DM. So I'm looking for $500,000, 20% of this company, for 20% of my heart.

E (18:33)

They are. I was like, I don't know what's going on. I. I show them. I show them one of the. One. One of the texts I sent out and they're like, well, they look at one of the things I said. I started off with hiya in all caps. H y. H I, Y a. H I, Y A. And my manager goes, what are you, a clown? And that destroyed.

B (18:58)

I think you're being yourself.

E (19:00)

No, because, like, the way I said, like, when I. When I texted in that moment, like, I feel like in Person I would.

B (19:05)

Have just registered hi. But like, they're next to their friends and they see.

E (19:11)

I got to remember that, like, like you have to be on the other end too. Like, how are they going to receive this? And I just, I, I fail to always remember that.

B (19:20)

Can you do voice messages on the DMs? They should do that. I know you can upload audio right now onto him.

E (19:26)

No, on. I think you could do Aud Hinge.

F (19:29)

Yeah, you can do voice messages on Hinge.

A (19:31)

On Hinge.

E (19:31)

Yeah.

B (19:32)

In the dms.

F (19:33)

Yeah.

E (19:33)

On. On Bumble.

B (19:34)

I say go for that because you, there's you. I don't know, they get a little essence of you actually speaking. There's not the over. What's the word? Criticizing of maybe. Did I do all caps? Is that too many exclamation points? Should I have added emoji? It's just like, hey.

E (19:50)

Yeah. And then I think, I think Bumble does like, you can even do like a FaceTime sort of situation, which I, I mean, you know me, I love FaceTime, so I actually would much rather do a first time FaceTime meet. Like immediate. Like, not even send a text first.

B (20:07)

FaceTime gets like a ring light out. Like, hey.

E (20:11)

99 of girls would be like, absolutely not. No FaceTime, like first time meeting FaceTime, like, that'd be weird. But I think that I feel like.

B (20:18)

In a FaceTime on like a dating app, you know, they say like, oh, there's some people when they FaceTime, they're only looking at themselves. Like in something like that, you'd be so like focused on how you look like, because you're wanting to make sure you look.

C (20:31)

See how you're portrayed.

A (20:32)

Okay.

B (20:32)

I just think mentally that would just be a really weird, like, moment of being like, yeah, like you're just sitting up straight.

E (20:38)

Or should you be like, I guess.

B (20:40)

I mirror their energy.

C (20:41)

Yeah, I know, but imagine that was a thing though. Like, imagine you've got people all day just trying to FaceTime you.

B (20:50)

You.

C (20:50)

Like, as a girl, I'd be like, absolutely not. Yeah, like just. You don't even know if you want to like, take the time to like, do the call.

F (20:57)

But it's.

E (20:57)

Wait, are you talking about like on the.

C (20:59)

Like, honestly? Yeah. Like if you're on a dating app and you've got all these like matches or whatever.

E (21:03)

The thing is that you, I mean, just because you match with them doesn't mean like you want to like have that face on.

C (21:08)

That guy's wanting to have that face.

E (21:10)

I definitely want to have that Face on. But for girls, they can be like, choose you.

B (21:13)

I would do, like, you find out something they're interested in. Maybe they love coffee. Like, hey, can I get your opinion, like, on something? Could I, like, FaceTime you? And then be like. Like, which of these, like, two coffees do you think, like, I should get? Or something that's, like, related to their interest. So it's not this, like, too formal of like a. Yeah. Of a business exchange or like.

E (21:31)

Yeah. You know, the thing is. And I normally do make it about something.

B (21:34)

What you're FaceTiming.

E (21:35)

I normally do. I mean, this was just one instance because I usually. I usually work off their page, like, one of their pictures, because the app that I was showing them, it's all pictures. There's really no information on there except for pictures. So I. You have to work off the pictures that they put. But if all their pictures are like, like, very.

F (21:51)

Just them being hot.

E (21:53)

Yeah. It's really. You have to, like, you just have to be either smooth or funny. Just at it.

B (21:57)

Like, I think a girl who has too many selfies and, like, no pics of friends is, like, a red flag.

E (22:03)

I agree.

B (22:04)

Like, if it's just them, like, selfie, selfie, selfie all the time. Normally it's like.

E (22:09)

And I don't even match with girls like, that. You could. You can tell just by.

B (22:13)

I remember when I was on dating apps, that was like, one thing where I'm like, if it's just all selfies from a person, there's something off where I need to see that you have, like, a social circle. You're friends with people. People actually take photos of you that you're not this. Like, there's something about, like, all selfies where it's like, I only want me to get the right shot of me. And if they have a filter on it, too.

E (22:34)

It's like, it's crazy how, like, how all respect resume it is. It's just like. Like, you want to make it perfect. It's like, it's crazy because our Instagram, we just post, like, boom, boom, boom. But when you're on the dating app. Oh, that's like, you really got to cater. Every picture matters again.

C (22:49)

You're really trying to make yourself look as good as possible.

E (22:52)

Yeah.

C (22:53)

Or.

E (22:53)

Or, like, for me, at least, I. When I'm like, when I'm curating my pictures, the last thing I'm trying to put is, like, a hot picture of me. I'm trying to, like, show my personality in every single one. But is that too much?

C (23:06)

Zane in his bumblebee outfits.

A (23:09)

No, no, no.

B (23:10)

I would show some muscles. I would show some muscles. I wouldn't do your body reveal picture.

E (23:14)

No.

C (23:14)

Him and his thong.

E (23:15)

No, you see I would never do that. But, but I think that's crazy.

B (23:19)

There's like some good pics of you I think like you know like in a little like white tape.

E (23:22)

Because I don't think girls care about that.

B (23:24)

Oh they kind of do.

F (23:25)

Sometimes it's a turn off if, if you're like clearly showing off that the.

E (23:30)

Girls, girls that I'm friends with when they mention like what's they're. They don't even find that hot.

A (23:34)

So just show your arms.

B (23:36)

I think you got good arms.

E (23:37)

Okay.

B (23:38)

I would show just a little bit show that like you're working with something but you're, that you're not just selling that.

E (23:42)

Yeah, like a big fat dong.

B (23:44)

Oh yeah, just a bulge.

C (23:46)

Zane's pics are all in gray sweatpants.

E (23:51)

Remember, Remember that fucking tick tock era.

C (23:54)

Slanging it around trying to shake it.

E (23:56)

As fast if you go to the comments all kids, all right.

C (24:00)

It looked at me first.

E (24:03)

Hey, let's cut that out.

B (24:05)

I oldest pick of you on your dating profile because sometimes I don't have photos up like buddies of mine because I like to do an audit for a friend. I'm like yo, this picture is like from 10 years.

E (24:18)

I do need to update it because every five years is me with blonde hair. So I need to, I need to update it with my brown hair because I'm not doing blonde anymore.

B (24:25)

Okay.

E (24:26)

Oh yeah, I should probably mention that I'm not doing blonde anymore. Guys. I've listened to you. I've, I've seen your comments. You hate it. I've seen it and I, it also hit me that like I'm not a professional soccer player. I'm not a dj. So why the do I have blonde hair?

B (24:40)

Like you know, you're an Internet personality.

A (24:42)

No, no, no, no.

E (24:43)

That like that does not.

C (24:44)

Not an excuse.

E (24:45)

That's not like that doesn't, that doesn't mix with blonde hair. You know what I mean? If I was behind the DJ say I was performing at coach. I was DJing one of the biggest after parties on Kosher. Sure, keep the blonde hair. But no, this is, this is a big yikes that.

C (25:04)

The spikes. Oh it was if I was a dj.

A (25:07)

Yeah.

E (25:07)

Like that's sick. Should we tell them? Should we talk about who we're like about to have on?

A (25:12)

Absolutely.

E (25:13)

Because I'm super excited.

C (25:15)

This is actually I I'm so hyped for this guest, it's not even funny.

E (25:19)

Yeah. And it's. This is someone that I never thought that would even say, ever say yes to a show like this. You know, like, I. I feel like if I was Archbishop Pass. What is he again?

C (25:33)

Archbishop.

E (25:33)

Archbishop, yeah. If I was in his position, I've been doing for 40 years, and I. I got an email to come on this show, and I watched one episode, I'd be like, absolutely not. He probably not good for my brand.

C (25:44)

They need help. That's why he's like, yeah, I don't want to, but I need to.

E (25:48)

Yeah.

C (25:49)

I have a calling to go on.

E (25:50)

It's fun because we've talked about, like, we've talked about spirits and ghosts and whatever, but we've never talked about, like. Like, exorcisms, really. We probably made, like, jokes here and there in, like, different episodes about, like, whatever.

C (26:01)

But it's a very real thing.

E (26:03)

This is a very real thing. He is an exorcist. He's done exorcisms. And to be able to, like, learn more about that world. And he's. Again, he's been doing it for such a long time. It's gonna be. I just hope he does not bring anything with him in this room, because I don't have the energy to deal with something like that. Because if this happens today, he doesn't need an exercise.

B (26:25)

The best defense right now.

E (26:26)

And I go home and, like, my lights start flickering. That's it.

C (26:29)

Well, what's weird is he sent us an email before coming on, basically just being like, hope everything goes well. Like, day of when you're setting up. Hopefully there's no technical difficulties with the set or any equipment. We get in here, we start setting it up, and the cameras are flickering inside the camera. And we've never seen this before in the seven years we've been doing this.

F (26:51)

I'm going to start crying.

C (26:53)

You get emotional too, and stuff like this starts happening.

E (26:55)

Oh, yeah.

C (26:56)

I'll start bawling.

F (26:57)

Oh, yeah.

A (26:57)

Yeah.

F (26:58)

It's scary.

E (26:58)

I. I was swiping through a tik tok. The amount of likes on it. 666.6. I sent it to Jared. I was like, look at that.

F (27:05)

This morning I. I have a gift card to go get a coffee.

E (27:09)

Right.

F (27:10)

And I checked the balance. $6.66 left on it. I. I was like, today of all days. Ever since we talked about angel numbers on the. The Zach episode, I've been seeing so many 666s and it's freaking me the fuck out.

E (27:26)

And that's what I like. I actually really want to ask him about his thoughts on 666. Like, does he believe that's a devil number? Like, when he sees it, does he feel something? Like, I'm curious to see what.

B (27:34)

Believe in numerology, Tarot cards, Ouija boards, all of it.

E (27:37)

Yeah. I didn't even think about Ouija boards or anything.

B (27:41)

Yeah. Yeah. I watched the Exorcist last night just to get my prepping in, like, the mood and also because we started very early today, too, and I knew I had to get up early and just that, like, you know when, like, you're sleeping, you're dreaming, but, you know, you got to get up at a certain time in your brain. Brains morphing it. I was having just fever dreams of exorcisms and stuff.

C (27:59)

You know, I've never seen it.

B (28:00)

Oh, it's. You should. You should. It's a good one.

C (28:03)

I've seen, like, the scary movie.

E (28:05)

I've seen Making fun of.

A (28:06)

Yeah.

C (28:07)

And I've seen, like, the, like, clips of, like, the whole, like, in the bed. The. But I've never seen the full movie all the way through.

B (28:14)

It's way ahead of its time.

E (28:15)

So we're gonna be able to, like, find out how close it is.

B (28:18)

Yeah. These are movies similar to it.

C (28:20)

Or didn't the actress break her back during that bed scene?

B (28:23)

Oh, that's a great question.

E (28:24)

It was.

B (28:25)

I bet there was.

E (28:25)

I think it was something like that. I do remember hearing something about that. But I know the. The main one that I heard that's, like, really spooky. Is that Poltergeist?

B (28:32)

Oh, Poltergeist has, like, a series of deaths, like, associated.

A (28:36)

Yeah.

E (28:36)

That's crazy. That's, like, really weird.

B (28:38)

Yeah. So.

E (28:39)

Yeah.

B (28:39)

So, yeah, it'll be interesting to know what's fact and what's fiction.

E (28:42)

Exactly. Yeah. And I. I wonder. I wonder if it's as. Why do I feel like. Obviously, I think the movie. You know, obviously movies are always, like, over. Exaggerating everything. But I honestly don't think it's as scary as any of us think it. I honestly think the most. I'm guessing the most is, like, just sweating and heaving. Almost like, you know, when you see it.

B (29:04)

I don't know.

E (29:05)

This is, like, super offensive.

C (29:07)

Okay.

E (29:08)

You know when someone's, like, re. Re. Like, in rehab for drugs and they're in the bed and they're.

A (29:13)

Yeah.

B (29:13)

They're going through withdrawals.

E (29:14)

Going through withdrawals. I think that's What I feel like is what they're dealing with. Like, that's what it was.

C (29:20)

Convulsing.

E (29:21)

Yeah.

C (29:21)

Kind of like having, like.

E (29:22)

Yeah, I don't think they're like. Yeah, like, they're. I don't think. Yeah.

B (29:30)

The projectile vomit is so much. I'm like, are you done? Like, huh.

E (29:36)

Yeah. And so. But what else. What was really interesting in that email because Jared brought up head spinning, and he's like, well, one. One thing. First off, that's very rare. Very rare. And we're like, rare. We thought that never happens.

B (29:53)

What the.

E (29:54)

That was movie magic. What the do you mean, rare? So I don't know, but he. I don't know if he's kidding or not, though. What if he's just like. What if he's not even exorcist? What if he's lying?

C (30:04)

What if he's a dude?

B (30:07)

We'll be respectful.

E (30:08)

Yeah, no, we definitely will.

F (30:10)

It is interesting that you say, like, talking about the withdrawals and stuff, because I. I was doing a lot of research on, like, the famous exorcism movies and came across the exorcism of Emily Rose, which is based on a German girl.

A (30:24)

Yes.

F (30:25)

And she kind of. Exactly what you were saying. It wasn't so much like the movie magic that they portrayed it to be, but at some point she's, like, stopped eating and became very sick and stuff like that. And eventually died from.

B (30:41)

Spoiler.

F (30:42)

From her, like, extra. Like, her possession.

E (30:45)

Yeah.

B (30:46)

That's why it was really controversial because, like, some people. But getting prosecuted. Yeah.

F (30:50)

The. The pastor that was exercising her was charged with negligent homicide.

C (30:57)

No way.

E (30:57)

Oh, wow.

F (30:58)

Because basically, they, like, instead of getting her actual medical help, they were going through this, like, religious practice and. And basically let her die. And. But a lot of the symptoms were kind of similar to withdrawals and, like, starvation. Eventually, she developed or she contracted pneumonia. Like, it was bad.

E (31:19)

Oh, shit.

A (31:20)

Yeah.

C (31:20)

How long? Like, the actual. Not the movie, but, like, the actual person.

A (31:24)

Did that happen?

F (31:26)

Oh, it was over the course of, like, months.

C (31:29)

Was this back in, like, the 50s, 60s?

F (31:31)

I believe it was, like, around, like, maybe sometime before or maybe a little after World War II. Okay.

B (31:40)

She died. 76.

F (31:41)

Died in 76. So 1975 to 1976. Which is here, by the way, story.

B (31:46)

Time on how I was possessed by a demon.

E (31:49)

Do you. Do you think? I don't. I. I literally don't know if this is insensitive or not, but do you think that people back then, they, like, they were saying that they had demon Inside them. But all they had was just, like, schizophrenia.

B (32:01)

Yeah.

A (32:01)

Yeah.

E (32:01)

For sure, right?

B (32:02)

Yeah. That's a big case of it.

E (32:03)

Or just, like.

B (32:04)

And I think he's mentioned. Or this guy. Guess we're going to have on it. Exorcisms are very rare. Most of them are mental health issues. I mean, and for Emily Rose or what's this girl's name? Annelise Michelle. Like, the real girl, 23, is when she died. That's, like, the age when schizophrenia kicks in. It's like your early 20s. Like, that's when it really starts to manifest.

E (32:26)

I guess that's a good question to ask him. Like, can you determine between, like, mental health also?

B (32:30)

It's like, parents who are, like, in denial, like, about just seeking medical treatment, and they're also maybe super religious, and they think that they're only looking at it through this. Yeah. Kind of stuff.

E (32:40)

It's like all they see is demons instead of, like, a mental.

B (32:43)

Yeah. Like, almost like a. Yeah. An off of Munchausen by Proxy. It's just something where they're just like. Yeah, the parents are not. I listened to a podcast on my way here of a guy in her. It was like the Exorcist Files. It was like a guy's podcast all about exorcism interviewing guys like this. And it. But hearing, like, the stories, I was like, oh, this is really real.

E (33:05)

Oh, okay.

B (33:06)

Like, I don't know. Just talking about, like, really the demons speaking to them and stuff. And, like, one of the guys had, like, lost his wife, like, three months before he did an exorcism. He said that was a terrible idea because he went in and the demon, like, brought it up.

C (33:23)

Oh.

B (33:24)

And he was just like, like, I'm out. Like, he couldn't do it like that. I'm like, huh, that's what's. Or that's a big question I want to ask is like, what Sometimes the demons, like, what. Sometimes they already know stuff. Because in the Exorcist, when the ex. When the exorcist first. Actually, it's the first, like, priest that shows up. I don't know if another. I didn't finish it, but he. His mom had just died, and he comes in and is, like, trying to challenge it to see if it really is, like, the devil in this girl. And she mentioned something about, like, his mom just dying.

A (33:54)

Right.

B (33:54)

And as he's leaving, he goes, did you tell the daughter that my mom just died? And she goes, no. He goes, did so and so tell you that? She goes, no, I didn't know any of that.

E (34:04)

And then.

B (34:05)

Then that's when he's like, walking home and he's like, my God, this might be real. Like that. That stuff's like.

E (34:10)

Just takes one moment. Like that. Yeah, it's like, oh, okay. Done.

B (34:13)

Where it's like, this is. There's no little girl here anymore. This is someone who is all power, all empowering knowledge of.

A (34:19)

Of.

B (34:19)

Of existence.

E (34:21)

Like, just what makes. What makes each person a target? Like, it. That.

A (34:25)

That.

E (34:25)

That. That to me is so scary. Just like r. Like what makes each person a target.

B (34:30)

And I. Yeah, it's not like. Like. Like, are you asking for it? Just like you touch some possessed object and it just goes into you like that. But I think that's what the devil wants. Well, that's all this. We're going to get answers to all of this. But, like, what makes a good host for a demon? Yeah, but childhood trauma.

E (34:48)

We should ask him if one. Somebody in this room is like, anything. I don't know. Are you. Do you sense anything in this room? And if so, who has the most amount of demon in them? Like, if we all have, like, a little bit of demon, who has the most amount, like, even a little bit, like.

B (35:02)

Yeah, like K pop demon hunters.

E (35:03)

Yeah.

B (35:05)

Have you not seen it?

E (35:06)

I saw the first. I saw the first.

B (35:08)

Do you know, like, this story about, like, the mangrove of the K pop demon hunters? No. So they are a trio. They fight demons on the side of making amazing K pop hits and going on world tours. But like the Beyonce. The Beyonce of this, like, Destiny's Child trio, she secretly is part demon.

E (35:25)

Oh, yeah. But they're demon hunters and they're demon hunters.

B (35:28)

So she's keeping it a secret from.

C (35:30)

That's why she knows where they all.

B (35:31)

Are and all the inner workings and stuff. And so she's always trying to, like, hide her arms and stuff. And then, like, as the movie progresses, the girls realize, like, you're a demon. And they're like. She's like, I know, but you guys don't understand. Like, I. I want to fight the demons and stuff. And she, like, befriends like, a demon who's like, the boy. And they all, like, sing this amazing pop song.

E (35:48)

At the end, she dies and then.

B (35:50)

No, no, no, no, no. It's beautiful. The ending transcends all space and time. That final scene of like, this is what it sounds like.

E (35:58)

So she got exercise where there's a.

B (36:00)

Trifecta and they're coming together above the arena and the whole audience is like, oh, it's unbelievable. I cried.

E (36:11)

I think you should watch that. I think that it's incredible.

A (36:13)

Pop it on.

B (36:14)

Just pop it on.

E (36:15)

I know I did. I tried. I need to. I think I need to rewatch it. I think I put it on when I was like a little tipsy one night.

B (36:21)

Try to cover up the demon suck inside our head.

C (36:25)

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E (37:49)

Okay. Oh, let's do our intro.

A (37:51)

Yep.

E (37:52)

It's com, baby. Welcome back to Zane and Heath Unfiltered. I'm Zane Dane.

C (38:07)

I'm Heath.

B (38:08)

I'm Matt.

E (38:09)

And today we have a very, very, very special guest. Here with us today we have the Archbishop Ronald File enright who is a chief exorcist and founder of the Order of Exorcist.

C (38:20)

And we are lucky enough to have him on our show today.

B (38:24)

We can't wait to pick your brain we have been dying to get into the whole world of exorcism. We've had spooky episodes in the past. We've done conspiracy theories, all of that, but this is a whole new wheelhouse for us to. To venture into. So thank you so much for gracing us with your presence. And because every time.

E (38:40)

Because every time we talk about it, it always seems like. Like this, like, fake thing that we only see in movies. And it's like, oh, it's always over exaggerated. But there are people out there like you that are actually doing these exorcisms. And I like, we think that's, like, insane. And the fact that we have you here to even talk about it is, like, we really appreciate it.

A (38:56)

Well, I'm glad I'm here.

C (38:57)

Yeah. Thank you.

A (38:58)

Glad I could be seen.

C (38:59)

Thank you for taking the time to come hang out with us for a bit.

B (39:02)

Yeah, so just give us, like, you know, a little skinny about your. Your. Your journey of faith and how you found yourself into this position.

A (39:10)

Well, first of all, it all started with a supernatural event that occurred in my life. Oh, it was very interesting. I was like 11 years old, if you can believe that. Most of the people that are in my organization are clergy, and their supernatural events also begin at a very early age. Anyway, my supernatural event was. I'm 11 years old. I'm from New York, by the way.

C (39:34)

What part?

A (39:36)

Brooklyn. All right.

B (39:37)

Nice.

A (39:37)

Yeah, yeah. In fact, I was actually raised in Hell's Kitchen.

C (39:41)

Okay.

A (39:44)

It's just a fact.

B (39:45)

Appropriate.

A (39:45)

Okay. Well, in any case, I'm in the shower in Brooklyn and Hell's Kitchen, and something happened that was really bizarre. There was a blast, like a light that just. Light beam to just blast through the bathroom window. Window. And it was so bright that I had to close my eyes. It was just that bright. It was just super bright, like a blast of white. White. Kind of like your waiting room. It's like totally white. It's amazing. In fact, as I stepped into your waiting room, I thought it was the flashback. Anyway, as it turns out, I closed my eyes for just a second. So it seemed like a second, a second. And I saw myself in a clergy shirt in a Roman collar in some capacity in the church. And I was only 11 years old. Okay. I didn't really know what was going on. But then after that experience, I opened my eyes slowly and I saw what looked like a very thick, heavy steam or smoke slowly, like entering or exiting the. The bathroom, going through the window, and it just totally dissipated. And since then, I've Been telling the story, I don't know, a couple of thousand times in my lifetime because it's really amazing. It was my first true, divine, what I call vision, if you will.

E (41:06)

Yeah.

A (41:07)

Ever since then, I was basically attracted to the supernatural. Things started happening in my life, you know, I mean, you know, I mean, the first time, you know, I started noticing things when things started flying off the counter by themselves. And I'm saying to myself, well, you know, this is something I really shouldn't ignore because it's, you know, very concerning when you start having your food fly off your table and you don't know why. You know, it's like, okay, who's responsible? Cause and effect does not apply when it's. When you're dealing with the supernatural. Right, okay. Because when it happens, you're like going, whoa, that really happened. Maybe. And then, you know, interesting fact, I have a very close colleague of mine who's a psychiatrist and Dr. Adrian, he's on my. He's on my program. I have a program also that's not as successful as you guys, man. You guys have one heck of a studio.

C (41:59)

Thank you so much.

A (42:00)

Wow. It's like when I walked in, I thought I was like the entry. We have a cathedral.

E (42:05)

So you're saying we had like positive energy.

A (42:07)

It was a lot of positive. You know, normally white. When you have white all over the place, that's really good positive energy. When you walk into a dark room and the walls are painted black and there are no lights, you know, you're bound to bump into the walls and you're talking about evil. That's exactly where evil comes from.

C (42:26)

Exactly.

A (42:27)

You have the light and you have the dark.

C (42:29)

Right.

A (42:30)

And you. You know, we try our very best to stay out of dark places. I mean, I do anyway. I happen to know that the world is full of sharp corners.

E (42:38)

Would you say. Would you say most supernatural events that you experience, is it mostly positive or is it like half negative, half positive? What's the.

A (42:47)

All my life I've been interacting with dark entities, but also I've also been inter interacting with and it's entities that I would say would be from the light. I've had many angels that have appeared and actually. And I interacted with. Wow, sounds kind of crazy. You know, and at this point, your audience is probably saying, this guy's way off his rocker, you know. Oh, most people think I'm, you know. Well, you know, I have a friend, like I said, who's a psychiatrist. And if I was. If I had some form of psychosis I think he would be the first to let me know.

B (43:20)

It's a good friend.

E (43:21)

And I also feel like you're inviting them into. I feel like people that don't invite them in, I feel like they don't experience it because I. I personally believe heavily in supernatural events like that. I believe that people experience events like that. I just feel like I never have is because I feel like I'm not open to them or I'm not, like, really letting them in.

A (43:39)

You're half right on that. Okay. You're not letting them in because you're not aware of what's really going on around you. If you were, you know, you kind.

E (43:47)

Of clocked me there, huh? He said you're unaware.

A (43:51)

Yeah. You know, the thing is that. That most of us, you know, we think we know what's going on in the world, and. And honestly, we don't. Everything is like. Everything's in the dark. Everything is just beyond our capability of understanding. Most of us are totally oblivious to. To what is referred to as diabolical events. You don't know about it because you never had the experience. Even though maybe you're one of those people that have. You've just finished murdering maybe six people, okay, in your building, and. But you don't, you know, you never had a demonic, you know, involvement, so you have no idea what. What caused that, per se. You might think it's. It's part of your normal behavior. You know, it's okay to kill people, you know, if they get in your way. Yeah. Spit on your shoes. What. Whatever. You know, this is what happens when you live in an Italian environment. The point I'm trying to make is that you don't really know what you're dealing with unless you understand and you know what to look for. And when you know what to look for, guess what? You're trapped. Because the more you know, the more things that you become aware of, right? And the more things you become aware of, the more things that could actually interact with your. With your space.

B (45:08)

So just to kind of backpedal on, you know, you become ordained and you find yourself into this profession. When you were going through, like, ministry school, did you have a specialty already in supernatural exorcism? So when does that come into your life? And you. You make that, like your new expertise?

A (45:26)

I started become. I became grooming in that form of lifestyle, if you will, when I was 11, after that supernatural experience. Okay. And most seminaries have. They don't specialize in this. They're. They don't Teach exorcisms, they don't really teach about, they just teach you about, you know, pastoral roles and, and basic theologic theological teachings and things of that nature. But, but nothing to do with exorcisms. And so it's after that when you feel that you have a calm calling and this is the whole key thing, all the people that, that are clergy and that are in my organization, they all can tell you that they had a supernatural experience and they all have a calling. Wow. And that's the reason they're there. They were called divinely called. If you're not called into this ministry and you go off and you try to do an exorcism, the odds are you're not going to be successful. And not only that, but you put the victim in danger and you put yourself in danger.

B (46:27)

You.

A (46:27)

Because this stuff is real. I mean we're talking about as, as real as life truly is. You know, it's, it's, you talk about a virus. I mean, no, it's, it's real. It's, it's, it's something that can touch you if you get close enough and especially if you're open to it.

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C (47:13)

Is that something that you fear going into an exorcism? Is that something that you're aware of that you're, you try to keep distant? Or is it just part of the territory? You know what you got to do and your faith just guides you through it.

A (47:27)

You know, sometimes it's part of trial and error. My first exorcism, I was a very young priest and it was in the mid-70s. And I had a mentor who was an experienced exorcist. And, and he's been doing it for as long as I've been doing it. Now. Old guy, really sharp and, and I was his assistant for four years. It's a four year training program, if you will, under job training.

E (47:54)

Okay.

A (47:55)

You know, so I'm his assistants and, and I'm reading, you know, all the responses. We use the Roman Ritual So, you know, the responses are with the second priest would be reading as the exorcist, the lead priest would be performing the actual ritual world. So I did that for four years. My first experience was a very unforgettable event. Are you ready for this now? This could be a little scary. Yes, sir. I mean, it's scares me every time I think about it. There I am for the very first time seeing an actual real demonic event take place where things are happening in the room. And I know I'm not talking about things flying off the shelves or the walls breathing or hearing the whispers behind walls that have no backing. I'm not even referring to that. I'm referring to something that is way beyond your comprehension. In fact, most of the time, a person in my position would never even reveal this because it's too shocking. And every word that you hear now is being absorbed into your subconscious mind. Mind, which means that it's altering your perception of whatever the subject matter is. So anything I say can create an opening for what we refer to as a demonic oppression. This is where the demon can actually place a thought in your mind subconsciously. And you have no idea that it was placed careful in your mind.

E (49:25)

I'm good.

A (49:26)

And. And as a result, you know, you might witness your behavior going into a very negative state. Fate, where you become hateful, where you become jealous, where you become. Where the whole world is, is you're in the center of the whole world and the whole world has to bow down to you or you'll go out and do evil things. Getting back to my experience, after seeing some of these shocking things in this room, it was me and of course the exorcist who I am assisting. And we had about four team members. These are laity who actually do the first contact interview to see whether or not we have a valid case. And then I'll explain that a little further on, if you like. Just in the beginning of the ritual, things started happening. And then I started feeling things and there was an odor. The odor was such a terrible stitch. You know, you've. I'm sure you've heard about this. You know, odors, you know, people who are, you know, possessed, you know. Anyway, I realized that the odor wasn't coming from the vicinity. Them. The odor was coming from me. I'm reading the responses and the exorcist is performing the ritual and I'm crapping on myself because I've never seen this event before. It's the reality coming back into play where all the mind. So the Smell is coming from me.

E (50:48)

When you said it was me in my head, I. In my head, you said right after. It's because I didn't shower.

B (50:53)

Yeah, yeah. It was coming from down below. Okay.

E (50:58)

Pain.

A (50:58)

Wow. Yeah. So it's after started running down my leg. The, my mentor, the bishop, he looked at me and he said, father, are you okay? And I said, well. And he says, yeah, I think it's time to take a break. So we decided to take a break and it gave me enough time to clean myself up. But that was my first encounter with a demonic entity that was habitating in this poor individual. A victim was who is suffering.

B (51:28)

How old is this victim?

A (51:30)

The victim was like a young woman. She was like 22 years old, 23 years old. You'd never know it by looking at her. Because when a person is truly possessed, everything changes in regards to their physical appearance. Their skin changes. It looks like a dried up prune, if you will. Yes, Dark, dark gray color. Wow. Their eyes and hair can change color as well. Well, it's interesting. One of the things that, you know, when an individual is possessed, one of the signs that we look for is we look into their eyes. Not in regards to the color of his eyes or whether or not solid. That's not important. What is important is the blinking. If they don't blink, something is up. You know, it's. It's a bodily function that you have to blink your eyes every 30, 40 seconds. You know, it just lubricates the eyeball. All when a person doesn't do that, there's something going on. Demonic goes into an individual. It manifests itself in terms of personality and a person and other traits that are not human.

C (52:36)

Me over blinking now just to make.

E (52:37)

Sure I'm not this, this person, this victim, was she. I'm like, I don't even know how to ask this, but what. Did you get any information of who she was before?

B (52:48)

Was it like a family member who reaches out to you guys to go. I'm deeply concerned.

A (52:53)

Yeah, no, no, no, no, no. That's a good question. I'm gonna go back to a little bit. Okay. What we do is we wait for people to contact us. We have a website, www.orderofexoris.com. people look at that or they just do a Google search and they'll find our website and we have a contact form. The individual would put their contact information along with details as to what their situation is. And then it's automatically emailed directly to my, my email address. And when I receive it, I look at it and I do what's referred to as discernment because there's so much deception out there. You know, there are people punking you.

B (53:33)

I. Yeah.

A (53:34)

You know, I get at least two requests a year from Lucifer. And. And so, you know, I'm pretty sure he's not reaching out to me.

B (53:41)

Yeah.

A (53:42)

But, but the guy, you know, saying. And then, oh, I got one. That was Trump. From Trump. Seriously? This is only about maybe a week ago it came in, I just said Trump. And I said, really? Now, interesting enough, I received a letter from President Trump last year.

C (53:59)

Actual.

A (54:00)

Actual.

B (54:01)

Yeah, yeah.

A (54:02)

And September 20, 26. Yeah. If you look on Facebook, you'll probably. I have it posted all over the place. Anyway, I received a letter from Eddie. Just. Just acknowledging. Great, thank you.

B (54:15)

The best I've ever seen demons. Best I've ever seen. I know.

A (54:19)

But yeah, I mean, I received one in 1983 from Ronald Reagan.

B (54:23)

Whoa.

A (54:24)

And in 19, that was a presidential accommodation. And then back in 89. 1989, 1993, one from Bill Clinton. Okay. And it was a presidential thing.

C (54:36)

Wow.

B (54:36)

Yeah.

A (54:37)

Anyway, when a person has demonic issues, what they do is they contact us. Once we receive the email, I look through it. If it looks like it's valid, you know, not from Lucifer, but, you know, it's valid, you know, then I would contact all of my members and I give them a mass email with the. With a cut and paste copy of the letter. And so when it goes out to all of them, I have members in 24 countries and in 18 state or 19 states. Wow. And. Yeah, well, this has been going on for almost five decades.

B (55:10)

Yeah.

A (55:11)

So it's a long time. Okay. In the process. And you know, people are. This is like a needed thing. You know, it's like a dentist, you know, if, if, if the first dentist never practiced his art, you know, the odds are we'd all be sitting here without teeth.

B (55:25)

True.

A (55:26)

You know, so it's a, it's a really necessary. Especially in the spiritual world, if you believe in that kind of thing and you're crazy if you don't. I mean, the miracles happen all the time, every day.

B (55:37)

Yeah.

A (55:37)

I mentioned angels on. Have fantastic angel stories to tell you, but I think we're here about to talk about demons, so we can't.

E (55:45)

We can end it on a good note, though.

B (55:47)

Yeah.

C (55:47)

You know, I do. I do want to hear about the good ones.

A (55:49)

Yeah. Okay.

E (55:50)

Nice to hear too.

A (55:51)

Okay.

B (55:52)

For possession itself, how does one become possessed?

C (55:56)

Like how. How is the host chosen?

A (55:59)

There's a There's a few ways. Okay. Across. The most well known way that most people would say would be if you invite guided into your space people that play with Ouija boards or things in this nature where they want to open up a door to the other side. And when they're doing so, they have no idea what's going to come through. Even in the scripture it says that the devil can disguise himself as an angel of light. And some people believe that they're. What are they called? Spirit guide. This spirit guy could come through true. And help them in life, but rather it could be a demon disguise as something good. And if that be the ha. The problem, then all kinds of things could happen. Everything from not only demonic possession, which is extremely rare, but then you have demonic infestation. Now this is very common. A demonic infestation is like a haunted house. Someone in the house opened the door to the darkness and invite the darkness to come in. In. Once the darkness comes into a house, all kinds of things will happen. For example, things will start moving by themselves. Spontaneous fires could occur throughout the house. Whispers behind the walls or under the floorboards, vibrations on the walls. People have also been stuck to walls like, like a fly to. To a fly trap. You know, it's a, A lot of crazy things. People. Of course, you've heard about the elevation. You know, the levitation and the elevation, the spinning of heads. In my 49 years doing this, I've never seen anyone do that. I'm not going to say that it hasn't happened because it, you know, anything's possible. Believe me, anything's possible. You know, when you see a person go through a wall and then come out on the other side and then they totally disappear, you know, you have the right to say, yeah, that you could believe in anything.

E (58:00)

Levitation to me, I think is the same as a headspin. Like, if I saw that, I was like, oh, okay.

A (58:05)

You know, the thing is that every, every case is totally different. So you never know what to prepare for.

C (58:10)

Is there like a, like the severity level or some more possessed than others, or is it pretty much similar?

A (58:18)

Some people have one. May. May be possessed by one demon or a person can be possessed by many demons. Multiple demons. Wow. You have a multiple possession. You know, the priest would do the ritual and then if you're successful, he has to come back the following day and get rid of the other ones. You know what it is? It's like, it's like being in the real estate business, you know? You know, when you don't pay Your mortgage, okay? The bank possesses your house, and. And then when that happens, the house stays vacant. And when the house is vacant, then you have all the squatters that come in. You know, hey, there's nobody living here. So they squat and they make the place, you know, the house pretty much their own. The same thing with demonic spirits, okay? If a person opens the door and allows these things to come in, they could take over not only the body, but they will suppress their. The normal characteristics of a human being and then start doing really crazy things, mostly torturing the victim. The victim. Every victim that has ever gone through a true demonic possession has been tortured by the demon from. From inside out, that is. That's why when you walk into a room and a person's possessed, you will actually smell. The smell is like rotten flesh. I don't know. The last time you've been to a morgue, I don't know when that was, but last time you've been to a morgue, when you walk into a morgue, the first thing you're gonna pick up is the scent. The smell. Especially if the body's been laying there for any length of time.

E (59:53)

Yeah.

A (59:54)

You know, and you're gonna smell, you know, and there's a reason, you know, when. When. When the physician does an autopsy, he wears a mask for good reason. Not because he's afraid of dreads, but rather because of the odors and fumes that come from the body. They're very toxic, and so they have to wear some form of protection to do that.

E (60:11)

And the fact that they're alive and you're smelling that rotten, like flesh is.

A (60:15)

Yeah, if you could. Yeah, if you could believe that, that's. It's just totally crazy. The poor victim is being tortured physically. It's like having their fingers pulled out from their joints or. Or having their. Their flesh being ripped open. Open. And interesting enough, there's no blood. It's just open. You know, what happens is the. The blood circulation goes. It slows down. You know, you have blood circulation throughout your body. It slows down to almost a stop, to a standstill. And so it's like the. The person is basically dead. And when the demonic is taking over, he wants to destroy the person from inside out. And that is when this manifestation takes place. It's horrible.

C (61:01)

I was gonna ask, are they aware that they are, and are they seeking help as well from you, or is it more like you said, the family member reaches out and they know something's going on, and they're like, this person needs you. And like, are they welcoming of you when you come, or have they, like.

B (61:20)

Trying to ever, like, referred a patient to you? Being like. We have looked at everything here across the DSM 5, and I think your best resort is you should go see an exorcist.

A (61:31)

Yeah, well, as I said, you know, we have doctors in our organization, you know, who are psychiatrists. They're medical doctors, but they are psychiatrist. And, and when we do an assessment, we have our investigators. They're the first contact interviewers. They go out. They. These are after the. After the family members contact us or the victim contacts us, we send investigators, a team investigates out there, there to, to interview them. We. They do a complete assessment and we insist on a medical and a psychological report because we have to rule out things that might mimic possession. Okay. There's a lot of things that, that could mimic possession. You know, I mean, even the eyes color. Eye color could change. Hair color could change. Even the facial expressions could change all these things. Or, or speaking a different language, you know, know, believe it or not, that could be explained psychologically. But in the same token, when you see a person levitate and his body, like, comes from the, from the bottom of the bed and goes straight up to the ceiling and stays there for about eight hours, you know, you have to say to yourself, well, it doesn't look like a psychosis, but actually, you know, so we have to make that determination. And so back in the early 80s, I created a. It's an actual protocol that we follow. I refer to it as the process. And the process is done. When we send our investigators out, they have a questionnaire that they go through. A questionnaire which I designed, like, almost 40 years ago. The questionnaire focuses on three sections. First, their health. Questions about their health, health history, what, what they may be going through, their psychological health as well, the mental status of the individual. And then, of course, then we look at the third category, which is the most interesting, and that would be the manifestations that are taking place around the individual schedule. Manifestations could be anything from things that are floating in the air and, and they just continue to float or cold spots in the house. Or it could be the cat. Maybe the cat is. Is frozen in time and sitting in a corner and not moving. Animals are very receptive, by the way. I mean, yeah, I believe they can pick up on certain things that we can't see.

B (63:49)

Different frequencies, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

A (63:51)

It's the same thing, you know, with dog whistles. You know, we can't hear the sound of a dog Whistle the dogs can. But there's something about our reality. We're like, we're like in the middle of multiple channels of reality. We could see what we could see based on the channel we're on, but the supernatural is between channels. So it's just beyond our senses, just beyond our comprehension. And some people that, in fact this is really true for me in most cases when a person passes on like, and it comes back to life, you know, near death experience, they come back with abilities. They come back with things that they didn't have when they left. They come back with abilities to listen and to be very intuitive. They come back with things and abilities to see things that most people can't see. And, and this includes themselves, of course. But after the experience, they have all these amazing abilities. It's like once you pass this realm of reality, you go into the other and then you come back, you bring back something with you.

E (64:59)

You're talking about one year after you get extras after.

C (65:02)

No, no, no.

A (65:02)

I'm talking about your death experience.

E (65:04)

Remember I told you about the guy.

C (65:05)

That passed away and came back and he like.

E (65:08)

Yes, your.

C (65:10)

The person that was at Thanksgiving.

E (65:11)

Yes.

C (65:11)

That I told you about, like, very similar situation.

A (65:13)

Yeah. It's interesting. I, I go back to just some of the people that I've known in the past and you would not believe their stories. In fact, they're so horrifying, I wouldn't even repeat them because you'd have nightmares for, for days, months, years. It may even alter your whole perspective of life. I don't want to ruin your lives, guys, but I will try to keep.

E (65:37)

Really want to hear, but I like, I, I do, I am scared of you, like, of everybody hearing that, like hearing like the really, the really like scary stuff. Because I, I don't mind, I don't mind hearing it, but I think that'll.

C (65:50)

Be a good warning if you're, you're listening and you don't want to go any further. We'll probably dive into some darker stuff.

B (65:58)

A question I have. We're in the exorcism. We are confronting this demon. What type of energy as you as an exorcist are giving the demon because you can't treat it really with respect, you have to be more powerful than it. Are you ever trying to challenge it or. I want, I want to say mock it or try to poke holes in its power to make it doubt itself and to become smaller? What? What? Yeah. How do we approach that energy wise, all that.

A (66:28)

Everything you just said doesn't apply.

B (66:30)

Oh, it does, doesn't.

A (66:31)

No, no, no, no. I mean, the, the person who may call themselves an exorcist may say, well, I have a lucky charm here and I have the energy. I can go in. I've taken some power drinks, I could go in and defeat this demon. It doesn't work that way.

B (66:46)

Oh.

A (66:47)

One of the reasons is a demon is more powerful than we could ever be. Understand, the demon has been around from the beginning of time.

C (66:57)

Time.

A (66:57)

They're outside our time and space. In fact, I'll go even further. God, we believe, is outside time and space. So are the angels and definitely so are the demons. And so they could look at a person, they know their entire story because they see time from the beginning to the end. I'm going to share a really interesting story with you, and I think you might find this interesting. This happened several years ago. I have a pre. I have priest all over. I have one priest in the Philippines. And he called me one day and he told me, you know, he said, you know, I. We sent you, we're going to send you an evaluation that we did, and it was a final assessment and we like to get your opinion on it. So I said, sure, send it. And he overnighted, because it was that serious. From the Philippines to Ontario, California. And it arrived. It was a little cd, you know, thing, you know, where you can just pop in your computer and you. And you can play it back. And so I looked at the first contact interview. Interesting. Very interesting. It was a scene of an individual who was on one side of the table and our investigator was on the other side asking questions. And as he's asking questions, and this is determined whether or not, you know, the person truly has a demonic issue. As he's asking the questions, I'm looking at the screen. I have this big screen, you know, so I'm looking at this assessment as I've. As I've seen many thousands of them over the years. I'm looking at this assessment and I noticed something really strange on the. On the screen. It was like a little dark, fuzzy thing and it was going from the right side of the screen and slowly going past my line of vision and to the left side. I'm looking at the fuzz and it's going. And I'm going, oh, that's obviously something wrong with the video. Or, you know, maybe the. Something wrong with it. Maybe it's a fuzz or something in the lens. And all of a sudden this fuzzy thing starts going again and it goes very slowly crossing my line. Of vision and going like this and going to the far. To the other side, to the right side of the screen going, huh, that's weird. And then again, I just totally, you know, know, rushed it away and just kept trying to study the screen and what was going. What was taking place. Now, I want you to tell you. I want to tell you that this assessment was done 30 days before I received it. So this happened 30 days ago. 30 days, okay. Not in my present time. 30 days, yeah. So then I saw this little fuzz again. Keep that in mind. Okay, so it's a little fuzz again, and it's like going slowly, and this time it's a little larger from a little fuzzball. It turned to about the size of a quarter, and it's going like that. And then all of a sudden, it slows down to the center of the screen. And I'm staring at it. And, you know, of course, you know, I. I consider myself a professional profile. I have to look at everything. I have to examine things. So I put my face really close to the screen, like maybe 2 inches from the screen. What the heck is that? I'm looking at, at it, and it's making this, like, a figuration.

C (70:05)

And.

A (70:05)

And all of a sudden, it popped out of the screen, pushed me. I'm. My chairs. I have wheels in my chair. Pushed me back about four or five, six feet from the screen. It pushed me back, and the wheels just like, whoa. And then for. For about 20 seconds, I'm thinking. I'm saying to myself, okay, now what actually took place, case? And then it came to me. The demonic entity that was in at the assessment 30 days ago, it wanted to make itself known to me, so it decided to put itself in the screen, and it decided to make physical contact with me. So as it hit me and it was a. It was a good strike, like, around this area here. I went back and back then, I didn't have this tough me. Anyway, it was back then, and it pushed me way back, like, you know, four, five, six feet. Anyway, I'm pushed there and I'm. And I'm trying to figure it out. Then I realized it was the demon trying to make itself known to me, and it was trying to mock me, you know, trying to make fun at what I was doing and. And trying to, you know, poop it away. And the reason it was able to do that is the demon was not, you know, the image was not. Not 30 days ago. The image was real time. Like now. Yeah. And the demon walked through time. Remember I said, time and space. They have the ability to do that. Exactly. They walk through time and space. Like 30 days is probably not even a second for them. They could just, like walk into another room. And there I am looking and studying at this case, and the demonic actually decided to interact with me by trying, number one, to scare the daylights out of me. It didn't. Could. It didn't scare me. It just confused me for, you know, I. I was taken back. I had to figure out what exactly took place. You know, it took me about 20 seconds to do that. But then after I gathered my thoughts and I realized what actually happened, I contacted the priests in the Philippines. I told them the whole story of what actually happened. And I'm talking on the phone, and he's talking on the phone, and we're using a landline, you know, and. And all of a sudden a third voice comes on the phone. Interesting enough now, the third voice was very garbled, had a very garbled voice, and decided to call us by our first names. Called me by my first name. Hey, haven't you learned your lesson yet? And I'm going, what the heck? You know? And I said. And so, I said, father, so. And so, is there somebody with you? He says, no, he's. I'm by myself.

C (72:39)

Himself. Was he hearing it as well?

A (72:42)

Yeah, he heard it too. So we're both listening to this thing and then all of a sudden it kind of like put him through a. Through a state of fear and he had to hang up. He hung up. He hung up the phone. I'm still talking to this thing. And he said, he's telling me about all the events that I was recently involved in in regards to doing assessments and doing rituals and just telling me about these things and telling me that he's been around for some time, and he actually goes from one victim to another. And so he knew me for years ago. From years ago. So he just simply like, are you.

E (73:20)

Having a conversation with him or is he just talking and you're just listening?

A (73:23)

He's talking and I. And first, I'm just listening to him because I'm shocked. He knows about details about my life, what I've done, the people in my team, the people in all of my teams. And also, you know, things that are totally confidential. In this ministry, everything is confidential. Reason being is the victim has to know that none of their details will ever go out to the public. That's the real reason why you don't. You never see a ritual of exorcism. Take place in front of a camera because it's, it's. It's one of the most terrible, horrifying things a person could go through. It's like, you know, know, it's like being in front of the world and, and being humiliated, you know, like.

E (74:07)

So, like sometimes they'll film it, right? Because you're talking about one instance that you saw the interview.

A (74:11)

That's only for us. That's only so I could see what the obvious see. I have to make the final determination as to whether or not I feel it's a valid case. And then this is after I receive information from our psychiatrist. They give us that because they're reading the psychological profile profile and they're seeing whether or not, you know, there are some recognizable signs that may, may hint some form of psychosis. They see nothing. Then they refer the information back to me. And then I caught. I. I collaborate with all my other.

B (74:44)

Clergy in the modern world of exorcism. Is there like, like, is there a LeBron James of Exorcist who's just putting up record numbers of exorcisms out there? Like, do you like, is there some top dogs that look, you know, I mean, you're maybe I am already looking at them.

A (74:59)

But it depends who you ask. Yeah, it just depends who you ask.

B (75:03)

Okay.

A (75:03)

And, and if you ask the someone who actually knows, they probably would give you their best guess.

B (75:09)

I don't know how do you accept payment? Do you do apple pay? Do you accept tips like, or do you. Do you do free of charge? What is an exorcist Charge it.

A (75:18)

Well, I could, I don't know why what the ad the typical person out there is charging. I could tell you what one thing our organization and I've trained a couple of hundred priests over the years and I've trained thousands of investigators over the years regards to our method. And one of the things I make clear to everyone who joins our organization that they are not to charge a penny. We do everything free of charge. You go to the website, you'll even see we make a notice that any. If somebody wants to give us a donation, that's fine. But we do not ask for money. And reason being is there's a biblical text that says, you know, freely given, free, freely received. And so we try to follow the scriptures very closely. And we do that because we want to be successful when we do a spiritual ritual. We want to make sure we have God's endorsement. Okay. And to do that, you can't do it if you're Charging, because then you have other motives. Now there are exorcists. I know this for a fact. I won't name any people, but. And maybe you know who they are, but there are people that. Let's say they're the real exorcist. And they charge fifteen hundred dollars per ritual. Eight hundred dollars for telephone consultation. Oh, boy.

E (76:34)

Wow.

A (76:35)

And. And that's what, more than a lawyer.

B (76:38)

Wow.

A (76:40)

You know, and then, you know, so there are people that charge money. We don't charge. We don't charge anything. And maybe that's why we're still around. You know, it's been almost 49 years now.

E (76:51)

What's the timeline between, like early signs and then you guys determine? Okay, this is like, we need to, we need to.

A (76:58)

An assessment can take anywhere from a month to three months to even six months. Reason why it takes so long is we're counting on outside agencies. We're counting on physicians that have their busy schedule and they're not getting paid paid. They're not getting paid to. To give a psychological report to a third party. That would be us, of course, or, or anyone else. And so because that. We have to wait on them. Okay, we make our assessment within the first month. We could pretty much tell. We do the investigation, we investigate the individual, we investigate the house. Because if it's a demonic infestation, we need to know if the house has any history, like, let's say some type of demonic worshiping in the basement or, or somebody was killed on the premises and, and, and invited the spirits or, or maybe forming black magic, which is a real thing.

E (77:51)

Yeah.

C (77:51)

You always do it in their home. You're not meeting at like a common ground, like somewhere. It's always in there.

A (77:58)

Has to be in their home. Especially if they say that they're possessed and they're living in the house.

B (78:04)

Right.

A (78:04)

You have to find out if it's a demonic infestation.

C (78:07)

Right.

A (78:07)

If it's a demonic possession, which is rare, demonic oppression is very common. In fact, I don't want to scare any of you, but very real. In your lifetime, you've probably had some form of demonic oppression that you may not even be aware of because it could come in and then slip out depending on your lifestyle. Or you might even be. You might even have a demonic oppression right now.

E (78:34)

Now, I think when I was on my, my vape. My vape era, I definitely was in my. In my demonic moments for sure. Also when I was drinking six days a week, I was probably when the demons were probably when they're really nothing.

C (78:47)

And that's why it's called spirits.

B (78:49)

Exactly, yes.

A (78:51)

Oh, very good.

B (78:52)

What do you do after a successful exorcism? Do you go get like drinks after? Do you treat yourself to a nice dinner? Like, are you like, hooray, hoorah, but just another day.

A (79:00)

Day. It's interesting. The, the process before and after is quite different. The process before is we fast for three days. We do nothing but pray, meditate, and try to focus in on what we're actually doing in the victim. And that's what we do without any outside distractions. No tv, no radio. It's kind of boring. But for three days we do it for self protection, if anything else. Then when we walk into the item, time to do the actual ritual. Okay, they will do the ritual. And after the ritual, if we're successful, glory to God, we could walk away and we put their names on our list for aftercare. Aftercare is very, very important. I have a good man who's on our podcast who. He's like, he's the guy who's been in the ministry for 65 years. He's an exorcist. He's done exorcisms in Africa, in South America and all over the place. Place. Anyway, he's a really. And of course our psychiatrist is a famous guy too. We have a lot of interesting people that could answer questions in regards to the darkness. The darkness is very real. If you don't believe me, just turn the lights off and let's see what happens. You ready to do that? You turn the light. No, I don't know. No, I. I love watching these programs, you know, where they're. They're like. They're filming a paranormal group and they walk into a supposedly haunted place. Place. And they say, they scream to the top of their lungs, hey, demon, if you're here, make yourself known. You know what? If that ever happens, if the demon ever makes himself known, you know, the first people to run out of that house would be all of those investigators because they just don't know what they're dealing with.

F (80:42)

Yeah.

A (80:42)

You know, and you know, which I.

E (80:45)

Have a question about that because I. It goes to the Ouija boards and the different, like the ceremonies that people like to hold. I wanna, I wanna ask a question about that because I feel like for people even listening, if they've ever played with a Ouija board, like on a, in a, during a sleepover or whatever is. How serious is it when, like, do you have to be in the right state of mind in order for it to work or can you just pull out the board and just be like spirit. Like, like you, like mentally, you're, you're making a joke.

A (81:11)

That's an excellent question. I mean, it's an excellent, excellent question.

E (81:16)

Like, you know, YouTubers.

A (81:17)

I'm gonna tell you about the Ouija board. Cardboard.

E (81:19)

Yeah.

A (81:20)

Okay, first of all, you know, it was like a, you know, created a long time ago.

E (81:24)

Yeah.

A (81:25)

It's, it's basically a piece of cardboard, some symbols on it. You know, can it open the portal to another dimension? I'm gonna say yeah. But you know what? So can a pencil. So can a piece of chewing gum on the, on the wall. It could open up another dimension. Why? The power is not in the gun thumb or the pencil or even the board, which is a Ouija board. The power is within your mind called the intent. When you intend with your full attention with, if you put your attend, if you intend to, to contact someone on the other side, it's going to come true. Whether you use a piece of gum, a sticker, or, or Ouija board.

C (82:08)

Oh, that's.

A (82:09)

There's nothing magical about a Ouija board. The magic is within your mind. Your mind is a powerful instrument. Instrument. And when you focus in on the Ouija board for the toll sole intention of creating a portal so the demons can come through, then guess what? It's going to happen.

E (82:26)

Yeah.

A (82:27)

Because it's your intent. The, the whole key to any type of scenario like that whole key is your mind. Your mind is a powerful instrument. It's more advanced than any computer that's ever been created. More advanced than AI believe it or not, because of all of its connections. We could do amazing things. Do you know that there have been scientists that have studied this especially psychokinesis. You know what that is? Psychokinesis is the ability to move things with your mind and that's focusing in on something. They've been a lot of great documentaries done in Russia where they showed you a lady that was just going like this with her hands and pencils on, on the table, just moved and just flew off the table. And this is done in scientific settings where there's no trickery involved. The mind could do amazing things in, in the Catholic Church centuries ago, there was a priest that was able to levitate while he was doing mask. And again witnessed by many people. You know, we have the ability to do all so many things. The scientists are still studying the brain and its capability. And we may never know the full capacity of the brain, but if you have one of those Life, death, experiences we talked about earlier, you're closer to actually channeling in on those various parts of your brain where you're able to do amazing things.

E (84:01)

More.

B (84:02)

Wow.

A (84:02)

So it's interesting to think about what.

E (84:04)

What are your thoughts on ayahuasca? Do you know, like the ayahuasca ceremonies, like psychedelics, but that one's like, different.

A (84:12)

I feel like really. Okay, let me give you my, my first opinion, my first impression. Okay? Anything, anything that is mood altering, altering and, and creates the ability to create things that you would normally see. These move substances. Okay. When that. Do that, when you do that, your defenses, your natural defenses are way down. You have no defenses at that point. Some people, even in psychiatry, they call the critical facility of the brain. And, and that has a lot to do with what's going on. When you suppress your defense mechanism and you do that, anything, and I mean everything that's in the spiritual world can go through you and can even possess you. Best alcoholics I know are, are pretty, pretty good demon possessed suspects because they do crazy things I've seen someone do. Really some disgusting things I won't even talk about because it, I don't want you to, you know, have a physical reaction, throw up all over your, your nice clean desk. Wouldn't want that to happen. Yeah. So things are happening all the time.

C (85:27)

Do you think this spiritual warfare, like you said, has been going on since the beginning of time? Do you think it's getting worse? Do you think it's more present today than it used to be? And like, I don't know how many cases you take on a year? If those numbers like we talked about earlier are increasing, like, how many do you do every year?

A (85:49)

Like on average, regards to numbers, nobody really knows. I mean, I could take a guess, but you know, you know, you know, pick a number and I'll say, sure, why not?

C (85:58)

Like, do you do like 300 a year or 20 a year?

E (86:02)

I was thinking like 20. 20.

A (86:04)

Like, well, this week, let me put it this way. This week, this past week, I've had four cases. Wow. And then there are weeks, I have no cases. And then there are weeks, I have 10 cases, 15 cases. And that's only from within my jurisdiction. Right. We have members in our organization that had. They have their own autonomous jurisdictions in other parts of the world and they may keep their own numbers.

E (86:29)

Do priests ever get like possessed or is there like a chance a priest could get possessed during us?

A (86:35)

Yeah, oh, yeah. Oh, for sure.

E (86:38)

Why? So like, you remember you're telling us the situation with like little fuzz where the demon, like, pushed you, you. Why doesn't it try to. Instead of scaring you, like, why doesn't it try to enter?

A (86:48)

Well, it can't scare us, okay? It will try to frighten us. Fear is an instrument that the at the devil will use, the Satan will use. So we make sure we work on that fear factor and we make sure there's no fear there at all. If anything else, things become challenging, but not fearful. So we don't, don't even deal with fear. But. But to answer your question more directly is yes, we could get hurt physically. I almost lost my life in 2013, and this is documented. I was in the hospital for 30 days. San Antonio Hospital in Upland, California. I was in the middle of a ritual. It was in San Bernardino, and I had a room full of investigators with me. I had one priest with me. I'm doing the ritual. And out of nowhere, I was struck three times right here on my left side. This is 2013. I mean, I felt like. It felt like a 2x4 or a sledgehammer being hit three times here. Meantime, everyone's watching, you know, everybody is, you know, and I think we even had a camera in the room. But the point is, is you could see my body. My body just literally it buckled. And then I had a. A very difficult time breathing. It was like almost impossible to breathe, to catch my breath. Immediately after the ritual, I had to go to the hospital. And so I was sent to the hospital under my doctor's advice. I was admitted immediately. They found a 2 liter sack of blood wrapped around my heart right here. Right wrapped around my heart. And that's what was preventing me from breathing. And the doctors this day, they can't. They don't understand how I could succumb to that kind of condition. I was in the hospital for 30 days. I almost died. But I guess it wasn't time for me because here I am. Unless you're interviewing a ghost, but I assure you I'm not a ghost. So I didn't make it. Yeah.

E (88:51)

After you got hit the three times. Is that when you stopped? You're like, oh, too painful? Or you just pushed through it and you kept going with it through it.

A (88:57)

I pushed through it, which almost killed me.

E (88:59)

Yeah.

A (88:59)

And I gotta tell you, the pain never went away. I still have the pain even today. I'm. Every day I suffer, I suffer physical pain here on my side. It's a residual when you are injured and it. And it's done through unexplainable. Supernatural events and something happens to you, it never really heals. You know, you feel the sensation and you'll feel it for the rest of your life. I remember even the. The director of the CDC came to the hospital to see me because they couldn't explain how, how I succumbed to this. And so, you know, they put me in isolation. It was really. It was interesting. It's one place I don't like to be. And that is. Well, it's two places I don't. Would not want to be in hell, but I wouldn't want to be in the hospital room either because it's just bad, you know? Yeah. I really have no control over what, what, what you could do and, and you know, it's not a good thing even with a TV set. But I could tell you that one thing. The pain, you'll feel it ever, forever and it's. It never really goes away. So right now I'm a little bit overweight. It's my own indulgence, I guess. I like food. I'm addicted to food. Well, you are skinny. I mean, you know, but you know, I, I'm. I'm pretty, pretty a big guy. But anyway, that makes me look more intimidating, I think, especially when I go down the skid row areas and hotel managers and some of the owners of the hotel would call us because they'd have crazy things happen in these hotels in the, in the skid row area. People would hear banging on the doors and there's no one there or screaming down the hallway. Hotel things like that, all kinds of stories, stuff. And, and half of those hotels, by the way, I have to tell you, are haunted. They have something going on supernaturally. If you're standing across the street from the hotel a certain time of the day, and sometimes it's an evening, early evening, you will see what looks like an image of a transparent person jumping from the top window at the top of the hotel and jumping all the way and falling all the way down to his death. All the way down, you know, as he's falling and you see his body, transparent body falling down. This is like one of those. Yeah, really around. Oh yeah. You know, as it goes down and it just disappears just before it hits the concrete. What is that? With some paranormal investigators would call it. Well, it's a. It's. It's like a. An old tape playing back. You know, I'm sure you may have heard that, you know, and so, and maybe it happened. Well, we know it happened sometime in join the depression. A lot of people Jumped off those roofs and. And high, you know, high windows and so on. And unfortunately, you know, it was an unfortunate time in our lifetime, but that did happen, and people will swear by it. I even have a picture where somebody took a picture of someone jumping out from the top window. It's transparent. I should have brought it, actually.

E (92:08)

Oh, wow.

A (92:09)

Yeah, I'd love to see. And they took. Caught. They actually caught the image. You could see the guy and he has, like 1.1foot on the ledge of the window and the rest of his body is like, falling off. And it's like. It's super cool. Wow. Untouched. And I. I used to have a lot of. We have a lot of stuff like that in terms of. If you want to call it evidence, you know, or. Or signs of something real. Yeah, it sounds like.

B (92:32)

Really?

A (92:32)

Yeah.

B (92:33)

Oh, yeah.

A (92:33)

Really. Right.

C (92:34)

Oh, I was going to ask you kind of along the lines. Lines of that, like, we've all seen movies that have exorcisms, and us, we have only that to go by. Right. Is just a. A portrayal of what it would be like. Would you say that that is accurate or is it nothing like the movies make it out to be? Or like, what's your interpretation of that?

A (93:00)

Movies are meant for one thing, and that is entertainment.

B (93:03)

Right.

A (93:04)

They're meant for entertainment. And of course, obviously, the. The better the entertainment and the special effects, you know, the more money comes in. And of course, they all profit from. It's great. But the reality has nothing to do with entertainment. In fact, it has more to do with nightmares that people go through in life. The real thing cannot be publicly exposed to the. You know, because it's. There's just some things that. That you should not know about. And sometimes it's better off that you walk around, live your life with blinders on, because if you really actually knew what the reality is in regards to demons. And I mean, I could tell you a lot of stories, but, you know, in the detail and the. And things that are really. People would call gross and horrible, those things are never portrayed because most of all, they're in great detail. They're not known. Everything is done behind closed doors. You know, this is serious.

E (94:08)

And everybody. The investigators, everybody does a pretty good job in just keeping it.

A (94:11)

Well, what happens when we have new investigators? You know, they. They will. If they are going to last any longer, you know, last for any length of time, they'll be with us for a week or two. Most of them that will see something supernatural and they would be scared to death, and they'd Never returned. A lot of them will simply quit, you know, and maybe they were paranormal investigators at one time. They'd quit that because they realized that this is real stuff, horrible stuff. It's night again. Your worst nightmare. If you could picture your worst nightmare, just picturing that coming to life in your realm of reality. I mean, need. We're talking about some really scary stuff. Does that question like, you know, the exorcist, you know, they have. They even have some tape records of other real life things.

E (94:59)

Pondering is a pretty good example too. I feel like they do a pretty scary job of.

A (95:04)

Even though we're not paranormal, you know, we don't associate ourselves with the paranormal investigators. We're we. The big difference is a paranormal investigator will look for haunted locations and try to prove their existence. We wait for the people who have been victimized by the diabolical forces and they come to us. And in most cases, where the last, the last line of defense, where their last hope and what will happen is three things. They will either be delivered through the power of God, glory to God, they will not be delivered and wind up up in mental institutions. After several attempts and were not successful, the third would be suicide. Suicide is something that occurs quite often, especially in demonic oppression. People, demons, they. They will not hurt you. They will drive you to hurt yourself. They will make it where the circumstances will be. Will seem to be so helpless that you'd want to end it, you know, just for, you know, the relief, you know, the, the instant gratification of that. It's like so important to a lot of people that are down to their last, you know, holding on to their dear life.

E (96:25)

I feel, it's bad to say, but I just feel like being forced to be in a mental hospital in that state where you're possessed. I feel like it's so much worse than suicide. Like being just like you had no help at that point. The doctors are not there to like help to take this demon out of you because that's what you guys do do. So they're just like pretty much quick story.

A (96:42)

If you like. I'll give you another quick story.

E (96:44)

Yeah.

A (96:44)

Okay. And the funny thing about these stories, the funny thing is kind of a least loose term.

B (96:49)

Yeah.

A (96:49)

Nothing funny about what we're talking about. In fact, if anything, this is. We're talking about agony, we're talking about torture, we're talking about death. We're pretty close to it. A group of us, group of priests, we visit a mental institution. And when we went to the ward, we had a Request from a family member who wanted us to go and visit this one patient. And they normally would not allow us to go in unless we had special permission. So we had. It was a group of us. We went in there, and every person on that ward, as soon as we walked in, just were wearing a Roman collar. And we're walking in, you know, with stuff. And we walked in there, and every one of them stood up, up, looked directly at us as if it was uniformed. They all, like, went up at one time, like. Like that. And they just stared at us as we walked past them. And as they said, it was, like, all robotic, you know, it was, like, going. You're kind of creepy, actually. Right. You know what? You know what? You know what my life is? My life is as. In my role for so many years. I feel like I'm in a Stephen King's movie.

E (98:01)

Yeah.

A (98:03)

And so, you know, and things like that are happening all the time. I mean, even in my own house, I have things moving. Yeah, those kind of things happen all the time. In my place of Redis, I have my. I have an office. It's a freestanding building. It's about. It's about 200 yards away from my house on my property. And in the house are. In the office, I. I have transparent doors, French doors. Doors. And I see spirits all the time. I see dark spirits. I see angels. Every person, every clergyman in our organization will tell you the same stories. We see things that most people don't even know they exist. We see the dark entities. We see the white entities, which are transparent. A silhouette of a.

C (98:55)

It's kind of like the outline of, like, a figure.

A (98:57)

Yeah. And I see him all the time. You know, fortunately, I haven't seen any around here yet.

B (99:03)

That's good.

A (99:04)

But we haven't walked outside the office, so, I mean, maybe I'd love to.

C (99:08)

Know, because I tripped and fell in a hole of poop on my way into the set today, so I feel like somebody might have pushed me into it on purpose.

E (99:16)

Okay, so we have a fun little segment that we want to play with you. It's called Heaven or Hell? Hell, where we're gonna pull up different objects or different things, and you just tell us if it's heaven or hell. Like, yay or nay. Thumbs up or thumbs down?

A (99:29)

Joe. What? I. You know, I'm pretty.

E (99:31)

We'll cut anything. We'll cut anything you don't like. Okay. Heaven or hell.

A (99:35)

Okay, here's a big screen here. Telemarketers definitely down. Yeah.

B (99:46)

Good.

A (99:47)

Answer me.

B (99:49)

Dark temptation oh, that's down.

A (99:56)

Eggs, now, that's also down.

E (100:00)

What about.

A (100:01)

There's a lot of reasons for that, too, by the way. I can go into that.

B (100:04)

What about Devil D. You heard of.

A (100:05)

I was going to say that. That's exactly what I was going to say. Okay.

E (100:14)

Angel hair possible.

A (100:15)

Definitely up. Oh.

B (100:16)

Oh, yeah. Love some angel hair pasta.

A (100:19)

What's not to like?

B (100:21)

Victoria's Secret? Angels.

A (100:24)

I love angels.

B (100:25)

All right. Times Square.

A (100:29)

Oh, I know it well. Oh, that's definitely a. Oh, that's like a. You ever heard of Purgatory?

B (100:36)

It's the in between.

C (100:37)

Yeah.

E (100:38)

Greatest description of that.

B (100:39)

Mr.

E (100:40)

Beast.

A (100:41)

I don't even know the guy, but I guess he's okay. I don't know. Has good teeth anyway.

B (100:47)

Labubus.

A (100:48)

I don't know who they are either. They could be demons.

E (100:52)

I don't know. They turn people. They turn people into demons. I. I can say that.

A (100:56)

So, yeah, that's not a good thing.

E (100:58)

Okay.

B (100:58)

He grew down on the Jersey Shore.

A (101:02)

Well, if I. If I gave a thumbs down, the producer of Jersey Shore Entertainment and would probably frown at me. So I kept. I have to give it a thumbs up. All right.

E (101:11)

I. I give it a thumbs up.

B (101:12)

Too raggedy an.

A (101:15)

Don't know her.

B (101:16)

Well, it's actually Annabelle.

A (101:20)

I've heard really bad things about this girl.

B (101:24)

Only fans.

E (101:24)

Only fans.

A (101:26)

I'm open to everyone, so.

E (101:27)

Oh, all right.

B (101:28)

Very good. All right. Good.

C (101:30)

Starbucks.

B (101:31)

Starbucks.

A (101:31)

Too expensive.

B (101:35)

Vegas. Sin City.

A (101:37)

I have been there many of times. I'm gonna give it definitely a Dumpstown.

B (101:42)

Okay. Okay.

E (101:43)

It's a dark city for sure.

A (101:44)

Yeah. There's too much temptation there.

B (101:46)

Oh, yeah, very true. Mountain Dew. Baja Blast.

A (101:50)

Huh? Oh, you see, that's.

E (101:51)

That's a tough one.

A (101:53)

You know, That's a really tough one. I. I like the bottles because they're facing heaven, so it's like they're pointing and acknowledging God. I. I like it for that reason. There you go.

B (102:02)

There you go.

C (102:03)

Go Disney World.

A (102:05)

I've been there, too. To me, that's could be Sin City.

E (102:11)

I. I feel darkness.

B (102:12)

Paris Hilton.

A (102:13)

Again, I don't know her, but she has pretty hair.

B (102:17)

She's had quite the comeback.

E (102:18)

Okay.

B (102:19)

Brussels sprouts.

A (102:20)

Definitely a downer.

C (102:21)

Okay.

B (102:22)

That's last but not least. I agree.

E (102:24)

Hell, for sure.

C (102:25)

Absolutely not. All right.

E (102:27)

That's all we had.

B (102:28)

That's all we had.

E (102:30)

We honestly, we're like. Like, what's his reaction going to be? Like, we just pull up these pictures when he even say heaven or hell. Really funny.

B (102:37)

Well, Ronald, thank you so much. For coming on. You have a podcast as well. Would you like to promote it? Tell the people where they can find it?

A (102:42)

Sure. It's. It's an interesting podcast. I call it the Best show on Earth.

B (102:48)

No, it.

A (102:49)

Fans.

E (102:49)

Yeah. No, because.

A (102:50)

Because I've seen your show too, and it seems like you have a lot of fans. Oh, my gosh. Talk about popularity. Is it your personality or just. Just your equipment? I don't know what it is. Is.

E (103:00)

It could be both.

B (103:01)

It's a combo of both. These people have been with us for a long time.

E (103:04)

Yeah. We've been doing this for seven years.

B (103:06)

And the name of your podcast is?

A (103:08)

It's the Unseen Realm.

B (103:11)

Okay.

A (103:11)

And you could be seen every Saturday. It's a weekly podcast at 3:00 clock p.m. pacific Standard Time. We're seeing worldwide.

E (103:20)

And audio and video.

A (103:23)

Yes, audio and video. You'll even see our crazy faces. And most of all, you know, and we, you know, I try to make it a little bit humorous too, because, you know, humor is a good, A good way to desensitize, you know, the, the ugliness that's in the world.

E (103:38)

I agree.

A (103:39)

So it's, It's a good thing, right?

C (103:40)

Thank you so much.

B (103:41)

So much.

E (103:42)

Yeah, we love having you and. Yeah, that's it.

A (103:45)

You're very welcome. Thank you.

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E (104:49)

Hmm. It's gotta be when I'm really craving and it's convenient.

C (104:53)

Could you be more specific?

E (104:54)

When it's cray venient.

B (104:55)

Okay.

E (104:56)

Like a freshly baked cookie made with.

A (104:57)

Real butter available right down the street at am, pm.

E (105:00)

Or a savory breakfast sandwich I can grab in just a second at a.m. pM.

A (105:04)

I'm seeing a pattern here.

B (105:05)

Well yeah, we're talking about what I.

A (105:06)

Crave, which is anything from am, pm. What more could you want? Stop by AMPM where the snacks and.

E (105:11)

Drinks are perfectly craveable and convenient. That's cravenience.

A (105:15)

Am, pm, too much good stuff.