337: Zane and Heath Expose Their Darkest Secrets

Summary

Zane and Heath: Unfiltered - Episode 337

Title: Our Thoughts on the Darkest Case Ever...
Date: June 15, 2026
Guests/Hosts: Zane, Heath, Matt, Jared

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Episode Overview

This episode of "Zane and Heath: Unfiltered" blends the hosts’ trademark banter and playful debates with a deeper dive into the recent Netflix documentary about the Mackenzie Shirilla case—dubbed by the group as one of the "darkest cases ever." Listeners are treated to thoughtful commentary, speculation, and criticism on the real-life crime, as well as conversations on school discipline, social media culture, language quirks, and some lighter discussions about snacks and ice cream.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. License Plate & State Plate Games (01:06 – 08:31)

• The crew kicks off the episode debating the infamous license plate spotting game—finding sequentially numbered plates ("000" through "999")—and how certain states make the game difficult due to plate layouts (Tennessee, Florida).
• Matt is also playing a "state plate collection" game—trying to spot every state plate, with Alaska and Rhode Island noted as the rarest (05:51).
• Fun facts: California’s plate sequence is about to change after exhausting its 158 million combos (04:30).
• Memorable Quote:
  • Matt: “Alaska though, is the rarest. That is the Mewtwo of license plates.” (06:07)
• They also discuss digital license plates, their manufacturing in prisons, and quirks of different state plates.

2. Knicks Playoff Riots Discussion (09:23 – 13:04)

• Recent post-game chaos after a New York Knicks loss: fans getting violent, public property destruction.
• Debate around crowd mentality: “If you just get enough people gathered together, no law enforcement can stop...” (09:54 – Zane)
• They joke about “punishing” cities like unruly children: revoking playoff privileges, only airing games if fans behave (13:35).

3. School Discipline Stories & Shifts (18:24 – 21:54)

• The hosts reminisce about different forms of school punishment: signing folders, wearing paper wristbands, in-school/out-of-school suspension, alternative “AEP” schools with distinctive uniforms.
• Reflect on the lasting shame and impact of old-school punishments.
• Cultural comparisons: Zane recalls corporal punishment from Lebanese schools (18:37).

4. Phones, Teachers, and Social Media in Schools (21:54 – 23:36)

• Shift from strict “no phone” rules to leniency due to parental expectations and safety concerns.
• Discussion on teachers becoming TikTok content creators and the blurring lines between education and entertainment.
• Memorable teacher from TikTok: “I am that English teacher,” who gives grammar lessons (24:11).

5. Language Quirks & Pet Peeves (27:32 – 36:48)

• Deep dive into grammar and vocabulary pet peeves; classic “I could care less” vs. “I couldn’t care less.”
• Struggles with "whom" usage and the changing landscape of language learning.
• Fun trivia: the sentence “The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog” uses every letter in the alphabet.
• Talk about their childhood fascination with palindromes (“racecar,” “kayak,” etc.) (36:17).

6. Fonts & Typography (38:04 – 39:31)

• Nostalgia over favorite fonts used in videos and school projects.
• Brief lament about how AI might undermine traditional font creation and design work, but also perk up at the fun of custom handwriting fonts.

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Deep Dive: Mackenzie Shirilla Crash Case & Documentary (40:53 – 56:12)

Introduction to the Case (40:53 – 44:00)

• Summary of events:
  • July 31, 2022: Mackenzie (17) crashes her car in Ohio at 100+ mph, killing boyfriend Dominic Russo and friend Davian Flanagan.
  • Police discover no breaking; later, car’s “black box” reveals she floored the accelerator until impact.
  • Mackenzie claims she blacked out due to a medical condition (POTS syndrome), but is convicted of murder and other charges.
• Memorable Quote:
  • Zane: “I did not know every car had [a black box], which thank God they did in this situation...” (42:16)

The Group’s Takeaways & Analysis (44:00 – 46:36)

• Debate over intent: Was it a true suicide attempt, or narcissistic “cry for attention”?
  • Matt: “I don’t believe she was trying to kill herself. I think she’s a narcissist and it was a cry for attention.” (45:03)
• Heath points out evidence of a struggle in the car, possible attempts by the passengers to shift into neutral, implying both premeditation and passenger resistance.
• The car’s ability to navigate a curve – evidence against blackout/fainting claims.

Personality, Parental Influence, and Aftermath (47:10 – 56:05)

• The hosts are shocked by Mackenzie’s actions after the crash: posting TikToks, seeking press, and showing little remorse (47:28).
• Harsh critique of her parents’ indifference and attitudes:
  • Matt: “You guys are the big reason why this girl turned out like this. So much. Shame on you guys.” (49:49)
• Additional details uncovered in phone calls from jail: Mackenzie allegedly misbehaving in jail, asking for celebrity support, and the mother’s continued denial.
• Heath references leaked calls and further disciplinary action in jail.
• Broader takeaways about teen culture, red flags, and the influence of parents and peer groups.

Broader Lessons & Cultural Reflection

• Documentary is “a must-watch for new parents”—shows the realities teens can fall into.
• The tragedy of kids not calling for help in life-or-death situations for fear of getting in trouble (Heath’s personal story, 54:08).
• Quote:
  • Zane: “Knowing the final moments of your life, you just, like, no one's helping you because they're thinking about themselves...What a dark, dark layer.” (55:13)

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Other Notable Segments

The Manosphere Documentary & Online Influencers (57:20 – 63:41)

• Matt recommends a Louis Theroux documentary on streamers and the “manosphere” (Andrew Tate types), noting the youth and impressionability of their audience.
• Jared: "Half of these guys don’t even fucking believe what they sell on the Internet. It pays to be an asshole." (62:32)
• Discussion on the dangers of rage-bait, boy-focused self-help grift, and digital entrepreneurship culture.

School Sex Ed Memories & 2000s Cautionary Tactics (63:50 – 65:11)

• Reminiscent sharing on puberty talks, old educational VHS tapes, and how “scare tactics” ruled sex education.
• Amusing detours into prank shows and reality TV (Scare Tactics, Carbonaro Effect), blending into discussions of skepticism in the digital age.

Food, Snacks & Childhood Nostalgia (71:31 – End)

• Debate on the number of Krispy Kreme donuts one could eat in a sitting (70:59).
• Rankings of favorite Little Debbie snacks—zebra cakes vs. cosmic brownies, honey buns, oatmeal cream pies.
• Dreaming up a “Little Debbie theme park.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Matt (on license plates): “That is the mewtwo of license plates.” (06:07)
• Zane (on crowd chaos): “If you just get enough people gathered together, no law enforcement can stop...” (09:54)
• Zane on the Shirilla case: “I want to see a whole documentary on just them [her parents].” (49:49)
• Jared (critiquing victim-blaming in the trial): “She just goes ... [about Davian] and the judge is like, what does that make his life worth less?” (52:31)
• Heath: “Multiple people that I know, this [a friend dying because nobody called for help] has happened to.” (54:08)
• Jared (on internet rage-bait): “Half of these guys don’t even fucking believe what they sell. It just pays to be an asshole.” (62:32)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• License Plate Games & State Plates: 01:06 – 08:31
• Knicks Playoff Riots & Crowd Behavior: 09:23 – 13:04
• School Discipline Stories: 18:24 – 21:54
• Phones & Teachers on TikTok: 21:54 – 23:36
• Grammar and Language Pet Peeves: 27:32 – 36:48
• Fonts, Typography & Palindromes: 38:04 – 39:31
• Mackenzie Shirilla Case & Documentary: 40:53 – 56:12
• Manosphere Documentary & Youth Influencers: 57:20 – 63:41
• Sex Ed, Scare Tactics & Prank Shows: 63:50 – 66:18
• Snacks & Food Nostalgia: 71:31 – 77:36

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Tone, Language, & Style

The conversation remains relaxed, lively, and at times irreverent, with the group seamlessly weaving between comedy and seriousness—especially during the deep dive into the Shirilla case. Quotes are peppered with candid expletives, sarcasm, and self-deprecating humor, all reflective of the familiar, unfiltered style Zane and Heath are known for.

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Bottom Line

Whether you’re seeking a dark true crime analysis, schoolyard nostalgia, sharp takes on internet culture, or just hungry for some snack talk, this episode delivers the full unfiltered spectrum—with laughs, lessons, and a reminder to be careful both with friends and on the road.

Transcript

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[Zane]

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[Matt]

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[Matt]

So you guys know I've been playing that license plate game.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Jared]

Yeah. What are you at?

[Matt]

I'm looking for 17, so I'm looking for 14. Oh, you're catching up.

[Unidentified Guest]

Yeah.

[Jared]

Dude, there was one day I hit like four in a row on one drive. It was electric.

[Matt]

It's such a rush.

[Zane]

I gave up on zero.

[Matt]

I just started.

[Jared]

I've seen like 20s, like triple zeros.

[Zane]

Oh, yeah. But the thing is, I. I was paying attention that first day and then I just stopped. I was like, I. I just don't feel like it. Yeah.

[Matt]

For the people who never caught the episode, the game is basically the license plate game. And to enter it, you wait until you see a car that has 000 at the end of the license plate. Most states have it. Some states, yeah.

[Zane]

You have to have. You have to be in a state that has like three numbers in a row.

[Matt]

Florida, I realize, does not have that friendly of a license plate to play the game. But once you see that, then you look for number one and then you look for number two. And you play that until you get to 999, which will take a couple of years. But it's a fun game. But.

[Zane]

But I think you have to have the privilege to even have the mindset for that game. I feel like you have to have nothing going on in your Day to be able to like really focus on that. I get in my car and I'm on like, like two phone calls and I'm stressed out and the last thing I want to do is to find a fucking license plate. Triple zeros on it. Like, I'm like, I'm, I'm just stressed already.

[Matt]

I hate a driving phone call conversation. I, I do it all the time. Call me when I get home.

[Zane]

It's the best time to do a phone call because you're like, you're not doing anything but driving. And like, you can't text while you're driving. You can't answer emails, but you can take a call. So to me, it's just like you're getting two jobs done at once.

[Matt]

Heath, what do you think?

[Heath]

Two birds with one stone. I tried to play it. Tennessee is also not friendly with a license plate game. Half of them work, half of them don't. Because there's this weird thing. Sometimes the numbers are first and then sometimes the letters.

[Matt]

Oh are the. Yes. Yes.

[Heath]

So it all depends. There's here. Basically, I think it's numbers first and your plate says in God we trust.

[Matt]

Oh, of course.

[Heath]

And then if you, if you opt for the no, in God we trust it puts the letters first, I think. Or it's either one way or the other.

[Matt]

Oh, interesting.

[Zane]

Where's In God We Trust?

[Matt]

Probably in the middle. Maybe around the. Yeah, so many different editions. Above the stars. Probably. Probably the little dragon ball looking thing. Oh.

[Jared]

Oh, yeah, there it is.

[Matt]

But I'll say on the side of playing the license plate game, I've been playing just the state plate game where you, if you see a picture of collect it.

[Zane]

Oh, that's good.

[Matt]

That's five started. I'm now at 31 and guess what I found today right in front of me on the road.

[Zane]

George Clooney.

[Matt]

No. Which state do you think?

[Heath]

Hawaii.

[Matt]

Close. It would be probably the second rarest,

[Zane]

but I guess Alaska.

[Matt]

Oh, damn. Okay, maybe third. Warm. Now you're warm. Rhod Island. I saw Rhod Island. It's the smallest state, so I feel like the odds are pretty small to come across that one.

[Zane]

You know, I feel like, I feel like every, everybody up there loves a road trip. I could, I could, I could feel it.

[Matt]

It's in the name.

[Zane]

It's just like a road trip type thing.

[Matt]

Yeah, you remember like a cat in the hat where he's like, they're driving the car and he's like, stop a road. A Rhode island license plate. You know, you never See, I've never seen.

[Zane]

No, I've never. I've never seen that movie.

[Matt]

Oh, well, you should. And I know it was ruined when she bough.

[Heath]

It was ruined when she bought it.

[Jared]

I learned a fun fact about California license plates. Cause I was curious. I was like, oh, how many combinations are there with like the setup that we have, right? Like number. Three letters, three numbers. Turns out there's 158 million different combinations you can make with that. Which just blew my mind. But also with that, that combination is being retired this year because we've reached the end.

[Heath]

Oh, no way.

[Jared]

And so they're. California is going to switch at some in this year to a different form.

[Heath]

Oh, they're going to do the Dewey Decimal System.

[Matt]

Yeah, probably. It could ruin my game.

[Jared]

Exactly.

[Matt]

Oh, well.

[Zane]

So they're probably just going to add another one, right? Like another digit.

[Jared]

No.

[Zane]

Or they're going to make a new.

[Jared]

I think they're switching around how like the numbers and letters and like what order they come in and stuff like that.

[Zane]

I thought they always just keep switching it until I thought there was really no end. I don't ever just keep either switching or expires.

[Matt]

And if it expires, like an old license plate, like one beanery on the walls, you know.

[Jared]

Okay, so they're switching around the sequence. So now it'll be three numbers, three letters, then end with one number.

[Matt]

Oh my gosh. It's going to mess up my game. Yeah, I don't like it. What is. Can you look up what is the rarest state license plate to come across? But maybe it also depends where you live.

[Zane]

I feel like you can still play that game. And just the numbers in the front are like.

[Matt]

Yes.

[Zane]

Also count. As long as three numbers are together that are separate, separated from the letters, you can still play the game.

[Matt]

We'll amend it, but okay. Alaska though, is the rarest.

[Zane]

Oh, I love that license plate. Look at that.

[Matt]

That is the mewtwo of license plates.

[Zane]

Actually, that looks like a European license plate. Like that's something you would see on the back of a boofy car.

[Matt]

Yes, I think so. Has a nice little color palette to it. I love a good turquoise or like teal New Mexico license plate.

[Jared]

Oh, those are fun.

[Zane]

I've never seen that. A teal license plate.

[Matt]

Yeah, it like stands out tall thing, I think. Yeah, most of it. Or at least it used to be like that. Like that.

[Zane]

Oh, yes. Oh, I love that.

[Heath]

Yeah. What's your. What's your favorite state plate? Just the generic one. Not like the Novelty.

[Zane]

I can't tell you he's. Because I didn't even know this one existed.

[Matt]

I need to see all the New Mexico has changed. But that used to be very popular, I think for a long time. So I'm going to go with New Mexico.

[Zane]

I mean, that blue one is beautiful. I would love to have that on my car.

[Matt]

I like. New York's is pretty iconic.

[Heath]

New York's is pretty iconic. Yeah.

[Zane]

Let me see New York's.

[Matt]

Oh, it's yellow with like a little bit of blue. Kind of looks like Alaska.

[Heath]

I love a basic place like that.

[Zane]

Just that one's sick.

[Heath]

Yeah, it's just clean. Like I hated Florida with a big ass orange in the center. I'm like, it's kind of cute. It just looked bad on every car.

[Zane]

I just don't like the white plate. I like the color. I like the color plates.

[Matt]

But Florida, that looks juicy. I don't even.

[Zane]

Why does Florida one have a Jewish star on it?

[Matt]

Where there's different kinds? There's a lot of Jewish people who live in Florida. Oh. Oh.

[Zane]

I thought it was like that was the floor.

[Matt]

What? It's. When you are buying for your license plate, you can upgrade on all different.

[Zane]

Do whatever you want.

[Matt]

There's also that one I see in California. That's that kind of like E ink. Like it looks like it's a Kindle.

[Heath]

Like it looks almost like it's a new digital one. Yes, it is.

[Matt]

Oh, it is digital. Wait.

[Heath]

Yeah, it's really cool.

[Zane]

I've never. What the hell?

[Matt]

What?

[Zane]

What the hell?

[Matt]

This one.

[Heath]

Oh, David has it on his car.

[Zane]

Those are new car plates.

[Matt]

Why make it digital? Why do license plates need to be digital? I don't understand that.

[Zane]

Oh, oh, that's a little screen.

[Heath]

Yes.

[Zane]

No, I, that, that's a terrible idea. Literally you just imagine you're. You're like you're passing a car, your,

[Heath]

your battery goes out and you're just riding around with no plate.

[Zane]

Yeah, that's silly.

[Matt]

Are they making those in prison? Don't they make license plates in prison?

[Zane]

There goes their jobs. They're not going to look now. It's now.

[Heath]

They got to learn how to solder and wire these plates.

[Matt]

How many license plates are made in prison? So yes, they certainly do are made in prisons. California, every single license plate in the state, 45 to 50,000 license plates a day are made at Folsom State Prison.

[Jared]

Shit.

[Heath]

Wow.

[Matt]

Johnny Cash. Michigan makes them and New York and North Carolina. Those are the ones that are coming up on Google right now.

[Zane]

All right, let's run that intro.

[Matt]

Yeah, run it.

[Zane]

All right, bookies, it's time. Bookies, it's time to get this day started. You know what I'm saying?

[Heath]

All right. Three, two, one.

[Zane]

It's capital, baby. Let's go.

[Jared]

Damn.

[Zane]

I was really trying to hit that note.

[Heath]

You're stretching.

[Zane]

Welcome back to Zany Heath Unfilter. I'm Zane.

[Heath]

I'm Heath.

[Matt]

I'm Matt.

[Jared]

I'm Jared.

[Zane]

And we are. I really was expecting Mariah's name in that one. That was crazy. I was like, am I.

[Heath]

Sometimes you feel it.

[Zane]

And I also. What? I just saw her.

[Matt]

So that's that true.

[Zane]

That makes a lot of sense. What do you call? Have. Did you guys see. Have you guys seen all the videos going around of a New York after the game? Yeah, after the next game.

[Matt]

Oh, what did they like?

[Zane]

It's just insane.

[Heath]

Did they win or lose?

[Matt]

They lost. They lost.

[Zane]

But there was, like, videos of people, like, beating up people in jerseys. They were, like, making them take it off. Like, literally, like, dude, this guy had, like, blood all over his face. And they were just like, bro, just take it off. Just take it off. And I think it's crazy that I don't get it. You're even in that position where you're just like, the only way you can get. Stop getting beat up is to take off this Knicks jersey.

[Matt]

Trump shouldn't have gone. They would have won. Trump. Trump decided to go. Had all this, you know, Secret Service there that caused everyone to cause massive traffic. People to get into the. The game late, ruin the vibe. Everybody booed him. I feel like if he just sat home.

[Zane]

Is he. Is he a Knicks fan?

[Jared]

He's from New York.

[Matt]

He's Trump. He, like.

[Heath]

What was the. What was the score? It tied.

[Matt]

It was, like, down by, like, two or three points, but the. It. I don't like. The Spurs, I think, won by, like, three points. I think.

[Jared]

I think it was 1:15 to 1:11.

[Matt]

Okay. I was watching it from afar at the bar, but, yeah, Knicks fans were not happy.

[Heath]

It's crazy because, like, win or lose, the city would have gotten destroyed anyways.

[Zane]

Yeah. That's definitely for sure, like, true.

[Matt]

But maybe it's crazy because they're just

[Zane]

videos like this really prove that if you just get enough people gathered together, no law enforcement can stop. Yeah.

[Matt]

But there is a bus sign. Like, everybody. Yeah. Who's ripping down the bus sign. They're not even, like, hiding their face. Like, y' all are all getting busted on this. This is just pure or even it

[Zane]

was like, did he see that video of them just like, ruining this big, like, plant, this potted plant. People are just like, what did the plant do? It was just an excuse for ripping this, like, ripping the root out. And everyone's like, why the plan? Why are we ruining the mother nature? She didn't do.

[Matt]

I know, right?

[Zane]

I. What I like. I. I like videos where, like, you're not hurting anybody but yourself. Like, there was this dude that was like, standing up on like this giant structure. Do it. He's doing a bump of coke. And everyone's like, hey, we love this. You're just doing like, as long as you're doing whatever it is to yourself and you're not harming people around you.

[Heath]

Celebrate thing. Do your thing.

[Zane]

They're like, yo, he thinks he's in the Wolf of Wall street movie. This guy just like, shirtless on the top.

[Jared]

Just

[Matt]

unbelievable. Hey, if you're doing that, knock it off.

[Zane]

Yeah, knock it.

[Matt]

Knock it off.

[Zane]

It's not fair.

[Matt]

Stop it.

[Zane]

Do it like pride parade. Do not hurt nobody.

[Matt]

If you in San Antonio, y' all better not be acting up like that.

[Heath]

Oh, wait, not on Matt's watch.

[Matt]

Not on my watch. Yeah, respect that. Alamo. Going on top of the Alamo. Doing bumps. Everyone's just like jumping San Antonio, like riverwalk.

[Zane]

But at least it's like for one night, you know, it's not like they keep it going to the next day.

[Heath]

It.

[Jared]

It is for one night, but this is a, you know, it's a seven game series. So there's still, I think it up to four more games.

[Zane]

Do you think the city's just gonna.

[Heath]

They're not, they're not out.

[Jared]

No, no, this is.

[Heath]

Oh, it's still going.

[Matt]

Yeah, it's still going.

[Jared]

So they've played three games. The Knicks are up two, and then they just lost last night.

[Matt]

Go Nicks, though.

[Jared]

Oh, yeah.

[Matt]

I rooted for spurs all the way. But then once they get to the finals, I start rooting for Knicks because I want Timothy Chalamet to, like, have a good night. He didn't get the Oscar. Like, let him just have years since the Knicks have won. They've. It's been really a long time.

[Heath]

They've had a really hard streak they had.

[Matt]

And I like that for franchises.

[Zane]

Do you think the city, at some point, if it. If it just like, imagine it's getting worse and worse game by game. Do you think the city is just going to treat everybody like his and just like, you know what? No game.

[Matt]

Yeah, we did this As a privilege for you guys, say goodbye to the games for now.

[Zane]

Yeah, no games this year. And everyone's just like, wait, what?

[Matt]

Y' all are treating this like a playground. This is a game.

[Heath]

Just talk to him like, baby,

[Matt]

next

[Heath]

season you guys aren't competing.

[Zane]

Or you know what? They just, like, won't play it live.

[Heath]

The.

[Zane]

The game will happen, and they're just like, we'll show the game only if you behave, they'll start playing it. People start getting rowdy. All right, we can't play till tomorrow.

[Heath]

Settle down. Settle.

[Zane]

Same time tomorrow.

[Heath]

If you hear my voice, clap once.

[Zane]

Yeah.

[Heath]

Everybody in the bar.

[Matt]

We were gonna have a pizza party. Oh, we had it ordered right, Ms. Murphy? That's right, that's right. But we decided last minute. No, no. So you was having the pizza party night. San Antonio is.

[Zane]

There should be a video. There should be a video of, like, kids.

[Heath]

Matt. It's so funny because I think about that all the time. Like, how I'm gonna talk to. To you and I are going to be, like, super similar with, like, where you are putting on this, like, act to, like, teach a lot.

[Jared]

Where you're.

[Heath]

Where you're on this, like you know what you're doing and. Yeah.

[Matt]

Oh, we revoked that privilege a long time ago. Say goodbye to that for now.

[Heath]

See, that's what happens when we do this.

[Matt]

Right, honey? Yes. Yeah. Like, you have each other's back and you're just disciplining at the same time. Like a camp counselor just having a talking to.

[Heath]

We're going to take a quick break to play the highly anticipated heated game of Blast or splash, Brought to you

[Zane]

by Mountain Dew Baja Blast.

[Matt]

Blast.

[Zane]

The rules are simple.

[Heath]

It's like, don't fill the water. Question game. We're going to ask a question. If you answer it, blast. If you don't answer it, splash. And whoever fills the cup up and overflows it loses.

[Zane]

And whoever wins gets to pick the punishment. You want to go first or me?

[Heath]

Let me go first.

[Zane]

Okay, ready?

[Heath]

Pull up the last thing in your search history.

[Zane]

Easy.

[Heath]

Private tab already.

[Zane]

No, no, no, no. We can't do that. Okay, that's good.

[Jared]

It's.

[Zane]

It's enough slices.

[Heath]

Damn. How much you pouring out? You trying to sabotage me?

[Zane]

It's barely filled. Remember the day we had that five course fajita fiesta at the next day restaurant Ventura? Tell them what happened in the bathroom.

[Heath]

Come on. Text your ex that you miss her.

[Zane]

Which one?

[Heath]

The recent one.

[Zane]

Have you ever screamed at Tony?

[Unidentified Guest]

What?

[Zane]

Loud. What are you talking about?

[Heath]

No, I'VE never yelled at my kid. He thought he was gonna do something. He thought he was cooking there.

[Zane]

That was honestly for me.

[Heath]

Have you ever yelled at Ton? Why don't you tell them what happened to our coffee company?

[Zane]

Tell them what happened with the peanut butter and the fair play.

[Matt]

You are a sick human being.

[Zane]

It's getting close.

[Heath]

Tell them the name of the mom influencer you were talking to last month.

[Matt]

Stupid.

[Unidentified Guest]

What?

[Zane]

I'm getting old.

[Matt]

I'm 33.

[Zane]

I don't have much options left.

[Heath]

He saw me have Tony. Now he needs to talk to a mom in book.

[Zane]

Okay, Remember the day that we moved out of our first apartment? Tell them what the movers found under your bed.

[Matt]

Twisted.

[Heath]

Okay, now tell them why it was under there. Done.

[Zane]

That was a low blow.

[Heath]

Winner gets the job. Just wait till you see what the punishment is.

[Matt]

What are you.

[Zane]

What are you gonna make me do? It can't be that bad. You sure about that?

[Heath]

If you guys want to play Blaster Smash also at home.

[Zane]

Blaster Smash.

[Matt]

You idiot.

[Zane]

I don't know what's wrong with you. Gotcha, bitch. Blaster Splash. Adam, make sure to grab yourselves some Baja Blaster.

[Heath]

Or you can go to Mountain Dew.com and see where it's available near you.

[Unidentified Guest]

Cheers.

[Heath]

Not a single Pong.

[Matt]

Oh, you know what I want to get talked down to. I feel like I haven't had, like, sometimes I miss it, like, just getting not yelled at, but, like, no, I

[Zane]

don't miss it at all. Until it happens to you. Then, like, it just ruins your day. Yeah, it really.

[Heath]

Come here. No, come here. Come here.

[Zane]

So embarrassing when a teacher would do that to you and, like, in front of everybody, and you're just like, no.

[Matt]

Oh. When the teacher, though, would have a dry erase marker, they get quiet and they start writing down everyone's names on the board. He's talking like, they're like, devin, John.

[Zane]

Wait, Matt, that's crazy.

[Matt]

You're like, guys, guys, be quiet. She's writing your name. And then as you're saying that, they

[Zane]

write your name, and you're like, no, you're. You're. You're like. You're. You're removed from something normal. You're removed from something. You don't get to do. The pizza party and the class.

[Matt]

Everyone's, like, looking at you because, like, the shame. Your name is on the board and they're not. They're like.

[Zane]

Like the whole class, and they write the name, and then they just keep continuing the class, but your name is just sitting on the corner of the

[Heath]

board, she doesn't address it.

[Matt]

It just.

[Heath]

It's just there.

[Zane]

Dude. That's. Dude. If I was a teacher, I'd be having fun. Fun with people's names all the time. Just.

[Matt]

What was your form of discipline, though? Like, if you acted up in class, we. You would get your folder signed.

[Zane]

In Lebanon, we'd get. We'd get just with a switch.

[Jared]

Yes.

[Zane]

The teachers would.

[Matt]

Bam.

[Zane]

Right on the top of your head. They abusing in there. But I'm sure they got rid of that. Actually.

[Matt]

I don't know.

[Zane]

Lebanon, they may still do that.

[Matt]

Yeah. Look up 11.

[Zane]

When I went to school there for a year, man, it was rough. But, man, you did not misbehave in class.

[Matt]

But you could get hit.

[Zane]

Yes. You get hit by a punishment.

[Matt]

Well, so, yeah, for us, though, if you acted up, you had a folder and you would have to take it to your parents and they would have to sign on it knowing that you acted up that day.

[Heath]

We got. We got a little paper wristband.

[Matt]

Oh, what?

[Zane]

Okay.

[Matt]

Day two. Like, day two. Like Coachella, like, they would.

[Heath]

They would write it on this, like, paper, and then they would, like, fold it into, like, a strip, wrap it around your arm, and then, like, tape it so you couldn't, like. And you had to go home with that on and give it to them.

[Matt]

You're like.

[Heath]

And then it had. It had to be signed and brought back.

[Matt]

You're at dinner, your mom's like, hey, take off your jacket. Like, it is. I'm cold. I'm cold.

[Heath]

Day three. Wait.

[Zane]

Oh, my God. What you wearing for day three? ISS

[Matt]

Damn. That's some shame, though. You've got to, like, walk around with that, like, scarlet letter of shame.

[Zane]

It's crazy how, like, there was iss, which was in school suspension and then susp. Like suspension, which was. You're. You had to stay home. Staying home was worse. Considered worse in school, but, like, like, yeah, I'd rather be home than be in. In school suspension, where you don't get to. You don't get to leave the room.

[Matt]

Yeah. We had dmc. You'd have to serve the whole day in this room. Yeah. Behind, like, little cubbies and stuff. You couldn't look at, but it couldn't even read.

[Zane]

It's crazy how the. In school, in. In home suspension was worse.

[Matt]

Well, that's bad, too, because your parents now have to call off work or get you a goddamn babysitter because you were acting up in class.

[Zane]

Depending on. Yeah, yeah. And also, I think when you're suspended, all that Work counts as zeros, right? Like, isn't there like a. I think they do.

[Heath]

I think so.

[Zane]

Wait, so I think that's part of the punishment. That's why at home suspension was worse. Because whatever the kids are worth.

[Matt]

Gpa.

[Zane]

Yes.

[Heath]

It went on, like, your record too. It was like, way more serious.

[Matt]

That's kind of severe, I think, because

[Zane]

I think all the homework you still get, but you don't get that in class. Home in class work that you get graded for.

[Matt]

Okay, now, did you guys have a thing called, like. We called it aep, where in a way you get suspended from your school, but you have to go to this alternative school that's part of the district of kids who've been acting up.

[Zane]

Oh, so you don't. We didn't have that.

[Jared]

I had to do that once.

[Matt]

And you had to wear a uniform. You had to wear khaki pants and a white polo. And it was like you had to take the bus to get there because it was far. But the kids would get dropped off and they looked like. Because of their uniform is so distinct. You'd be like, that's an AEP kid. It looked like you were like in a jail suit in a way.

[Zane]

Yeah, that was like, dude, that was a little taste of, like, what the jail system's like. You got to hop on white bus.

[Matt]

Kids, like, walked into a store. Everyone's just like, oh, gosh. They're like. It was.

[Zane]

How are. How are kids in school these days? Is it getting worse with the acting up or is it. I would imagine, because, I mean, obviously we don't know. But I'm just, like, curious of like, how I just.

[Heath]

What I see is like, the phones are super, like, laid back now. Before, if you, like, weren't even, like, on it. If your phone was seen, it was confiscated immediately.

[Zane]

They don't do that still.

[Matt]

Well, I mean, you cannot have it out, but kids are allowed to have some phones on their person or they've been lenient about those rules also due

[Zane]

to, like, school, you know, I know that.

[Matt]

No, no, I understand how been demanded. Like, I want to be able to contact my kid in an emergency.

[Zane]

Having a phone on you has always been like. It was a thing when I was in middle school. You're allowed to have your phone on you. Is using the phone and, like, using the phone during school.

[Heath]

I don't know the amount of, like, tick tocks that people are filming in school. I'm like, the ones in class, even the teacher, the teachers are like, filming tick tocks.

[Matt]

I Know, I have an issue with those. Like, it seems like the teachers are getting more like more of a high, like performing for the camera than they are, like, focusing on their students because they're seeing numbers.

[Zane]

Just like kids are like, you know, once you put it. Once you put those numbers in front of anybody, doesn't matter how old they are, they start getting excited. They want to post more. No matter how old or young you are.

[Matt]

I don't mind if a teacher, though, is like, makes it as a reward for the class if they behaved well. And then maybe the teacher is popular on Tick Tock, but don't film your students. I think that's weird.

[Zane]

Hey, guys, if we go viral today, then everybody gets like, they're just using

[Matt]

it as a metric of performance. Like, you guys really didn't ham it up. Last one, you guys. I got to get that algorithm popping and seeing my stuff. So. But like, if they do like a fun little trivia question or something at the end, I don't mind those if you can tell. It's like the end of the day reward.

[Zane]

Do you see that? Tiktoks of that teacher? She's constantly learning how to use certain words. She's like, she has like blanks and all the lines. She's like, mine. How do we use that?

[Matt]

Yes, yes. She goes, it's always mine. If you're taught saying minds that you're talking about, you know, mining for coal.

[Zane]

I just love how subtle she is with it. She's just. You can tell. It's like the last two minutes of class.

[Matt]

Yes.

[Zane]

And she just has free time before the bell rings. And she's just like, real quick lesson. Mine, mine. You don't use this. You use this. And that's all. Have a good day.

[Matt]

I saw one this morning. It was like, first annual. Why can you never say first annual? What do you say? Inaugural? Like that.

[Zane]

I love, like, what she was doing is great. I feel like more teachers should do that. Just like random little lessons that have nothing to do with the subject that her handle.

[Matt]

I gotta shout her out because I love her.

[Zane]

Yeah, lover.

[Matt]

I am that English teacher. Is that grammatically correct, though?

[Zane]

I am that English teacher.

[Matt]

Has to be.

[Zane]

She's great. I wish she was my teacher when I was in school.

[Matt]

No, but she's great.

[Zane]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Heath.

[Zane]

I like, did you know? I never. I thought M I N E s. You could use that in some for like sometimes when you're describing mine, like, oh, that's mine lines.

[Matt]

Oh, my God.

[Zane]

No, no.

[Matt]

Like, no, you can't no, no, no.

[Zane]

Sorry. Not.

[Matt]

I think it's possessive.

[Zane]

No. Yes. I thought like, obviously when she. All the lines that she was like putting. Obviously I knew that it was simple, but like, my brain never knew that you could never use it in any form.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Zane]

So when I, when, When I saw that, I was just like, oh.

[Unidentified Guest]

I didn't.

[Zane]

Actually didn't know that. I thought there was at least maybe one form of minds that you could use in a. Like a. I don't. Whatever. If you guys, if you guys thought you would know what I mean, I

[Matt]

can see how your brain would think. I. There must be some scenario where you can use it.

[Zane]

Yeah. I was surprised when I saw. I was like, oh, I actually didn't know that.

[Matt]

Yeah, those are, those are my. It's kind of. It's really sad and funny though, the kids in the classroom where she's like, what is it? There's kids going, minds. And she's like, no, it's mine.

[Zane]

Those are like, yeah, that's mines.

[Heath]

It's so crazy looking back, like, English is so weird because it's all memory based. Like there's so much that just doesn't make sense.

[Matt]

Yeah. Because we also have so much influence of different roots of a whole bunch of other different languages that it's just these weird combinations. So learning it. It's so hard for people because you're like, wait, what? Like wood is w o o d. But then you're like, but you would do something and like there's. And that's, you know.

[Zane]

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[Matt]

Is there a grammatical error that you hear people say all the time that you like? Like you're like you. I hate hearing it. Or people say, I could care less.

[Jared]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Zane]

Oh, you couldn't care less.

[Matt]

Couldn't care less. But my brain, every time I hear someone and I understand a lot of people misuse it, I'm not going to judge it, but my brain instantly is like, that's wrong. But.

[Zane]

But also. But when you, like when you, when you hear it, both make sense.

[Matt]

But no, if you.

[Zane]

Then you. I could care. I know I could care less.

[Matt]

But then like, then do it.

[Zane]

I could care. No, I. But you're like, why don't you. Why don't you care about this? Why don't you care about this group project? Or like, like, why aren't you paying attention? Why are you paying? ATT class was like, I don't know.

[Matt]

I could care less. But it just, it's grammatically wrong because you're like, then you could care.

[Heath]

That means you. You currently do care.

[Matt]

You currently do care.

[Zane]

I could care. I could care less. Let me do it. I could care. Let me do it. Okay, I'm caring less.

[Matt]

But you're saying, like I could. It's like the whole point is deliver that you couldn't care.

[Heath]

You don't. You literally don't care so much that you couldn't care less even if you

[Matt]

were trying, like, the bucket is already so empty on your level of care care. But you're like, oh, I could care less. Like, okay, so you do Care. Picture it like a bucket of water of caring.

[Zane]

That's.

[Matt]

That's because that's when you do care.

[Heath]

Empty.

[Zane]

You say that, but that's when you do care. I'm saying both you can use. I still agree.

[Matt]

I struggle with whom.

[Jared]

I never know when to use that

[Matt]

because I know there is a right way to use it, but I'm never saying it, so therefore I probably am using it incorrectly. When do you use you? Oh, what's her name? Whoa, Vicky. Some of her tweets are like borderline Shakespeare. She's like, what shall I render today? Lovely.

[Zane]

Have you seen the video where they're giving her a tweet and, like, who said this, you or Shakespeare? And it was a fucking fantastic video.

[Matt]

You couldn't even tell.

[Zane]

It was great she ever came up with that idea.

[Matt]

What shall I render? Get that tatted on my back.

[Zane]

I'm battling with my flesh.

[Heath]

Beautiful.

[Matt]

What shall I render? I fight every day with my flesh. It's a constant battle.

[Zane]

Guys, I think we got to bring her back.

[Matt]

My own family forsaken me.

[Zane]

Kill the thought right when it comes. Sec is very spiritual. I am tired of hanging out with people that look at me for. Whoa, Vicky. Whoa, Vicky. Not real. Look at me for me. My name is Victoria, and I am a child of God. Sounds like. It sounds like a voiceover in euphoria.

[Heath]

I am your flesh will embarrass you. That was nice.

[Zane]

I will wish I had family key.

[Matt]

When do you use whom, though? We didn't. We have that up. When do you use whom? Whom. Use whom. Use whom when it functions as the object of a verb or preposition. A trick. Quick. If the sentence can be answered with him. Her, them, use whom.

[Zane]

Sir, are you doing slam poetry?

[Heath]

That did not help at all.

[Zane]

Her. Them home.

[Matt]

To whom did you send the letter? The person with whom I spoke.

[Zane]

Yeah, that's. We don't need to use.

[Matt]

So it's. Yeah, you use whom for.

[Heath]

But you could also be like, the letter too.

[Matt]

Are you going with them? Instead of saying, are you going with them? Are you going with whom? And whom are you going with?

[Heath]

No, no, I'm not saying that.

[Zane]

I cannot. I cannot think of the words off the top of my head right now. But why do we need to make multiple words that mean the same thing? Like, you know how there's, like, an easy version of a word that, like, is. And then there's a really hard version when you could just easily have used the first version in any sentence. They just want to make a hard Word. Just to. Just to be sure.

[Heath]

You have big vocabulary.

[Zane]

Yeah. I don't understand. Why do we need to make it harder?

[Matt]

Sometimes other better words, there's better description for it. Like, you can be sad. You can also feel depressed. Like, that hits on another level.

[Zane]

I. The thing is that I think depressed and sad are different words, though, right?

[Matt]

I guess so.

[Zane]

There's a word that me that just means sad.

[Heath]

But, like, you could be like, oh, I was crushed. Oh, I was devastated.

[Matt]

Crestfallen.

[Zane]

That's what I. That's what I mean. Like.

[Matt]

But that's the beauty of it. I know. Sometimes I think people use unnecessary words to like for things that can be much more simpler.

[Heath]

Quick, quick question. So I was reading Tony a book. What do you like? A lot of kids books say it at the end. So, like, you would finish the book, blah, blah, blah. You go to it and then close it. What's that final. Okay, there you go.

[Matt]

In the end. Or they lived happily ever after or what?

[Heath]

The end. Yes, but it's T H E. It's

[Matt]

not T H E E. Oh, not the end. We say like. Okay, yes, it's spelled like the end.

[Heath]

But so I was. I was looking at. I was like, why am I saying the end?

[Matt]

End? I think because culturally, like, that has been.

[Zane]

Because.

[Matt]

Well, when stories start, once upon a time is. Which also rarely do stories we read start like that. But that's the. The oral history of a tale is once upon a time.

[Zane]

Is there any form. Is there any other sentence we ever use? We say it like the.

[Matt]

The.

[Heath]

No, but that's it.

[Matt]

That is.

[Zane]

That's the only term that we use. The.

[Matt]

Well, what do you mean without.

[Heath]

Without it being spelled T H E.

[Zane]

So when I'm reading something, when I say see the end, I read it

[Matt]

as you are the Zayn hajazi. Like. Or like people. An emphasis on, like a title or something.

[Jared]

The Ohio State is like a common one. It's not the Ohio State. It's the Ohio State. It's an emphasis. You know, this is the end.

[Zane]

That's why I hate English.

[Matt]

Look it up.

[Unidentified Guest]

The.

[Matt]

Why do we say the end? T H E E N. Who would you say. Pronounce it.

[Zane]

Who would you say? What would go.

[Matt]

What would you say if he said yes would go.

[Heath]

Go.

[Matt]

What would you do if what he said yes would go.

[Zane]

I don't know what you mean by that.

[Matt]

What you mean babes.

[Zane]

I don't know what you mean. Babes.

[Matt]

Why do we say it? We pronounce the as the before Words starting with a vowel to make speech flow smoothly. Saying the prevents an awkward pause in the throat. So it kind of just makes it sound a little better.

[Jared]

Yeah.

[Heath]

Where did you put the avocado? Where did you put the avocado?

[Zane]

Wait, is that the avocado? The avocado?

[Heath]

Like, no, wait, like, it's so weird.

[Zane]

No, you got like the couch. I don't know. Yeah, emphasis makes it sound better.

[Jared]

My biggest pet peeve when it comes to English is not necessarily speaking, but spelling. When people write the word lose as L, O, O, S, E. Right.

[Matt]

It's loose. I still struggle that with that when I'm typing it. I'm like, lose. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, that drives me nuts.

[Jared]

That just drives me up a wall. Everything else I can kind of of, you know, give a pass on. But, like, loose and lose just really grinds my gears.

[Zane]

Yeah, I really don't like that there's an S in that either. I think it needs to be a C. It just. It just feels. It looks more right.

[Matt]

Yeah, it's nutty. How it all works loose and. Oh, I hate. But even spelling the word, it took me years. Now I have it down. Restaurant. Restaurant. Like, when you're typing it, I'm saying on your damn phone, oh, you're always like, getting it wrong. And autocorrect is always like, I don't know what that is. When you think you know, it's so

[Heath]

off that it doesn't even know what you're trying to say.

[Zane]

I'm like, oh, have you noticed when you're like, words are spelled right, it still shows misspelled. And then when. When you tap it, it. And it pulls up the correct form. It's the same spelling.

[Matt]

Tick tock does that on their, like, captions sometimes. And it drives me. Oh, maybe it is tick tock. I'm like, that's how it's spelled. And then you click on, it goes. Never mind.

[Zane]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Matt]

I don't.

[Zane]

You were.

[Matt]

We don't know what happened.

[Zane]

I thought. I thought I noticed that in text. I was like, oh, that's so weird. I wonder if anybody else has this glitch.

[Matt]

What is the sentence? This little trivia. What is the sentence that uses every letter in the Alphabet?

[Zane]

Something about the fox.

[Heath]

The brown fox.

[Jared]

Close.

[Matt]

Close. You're close.

[Zane]

The brown fox jumped over.

[Matt]

You forgot a word. But yeah, the quick brown.

[Zane]

Quick brown fox jumped over the.

[Heath]

The.

[Zane]

The lazy.

[Matt]

Yes.

[Unidentified Guest]

Yeah.

[Jared]

Come on.

[Heath]

You got it.

[Matt]

An animal.

[Zane]

Oh, lazy.

[Matt]

Three letter animal.

[Zane]

Lazy cat pen.

[Matt]

No. So you're so Close.

[Zane]

The lazy opposite of cat. Oh, dog, dog.

[Matt]

There you go. Quick brown fox jumped over.

[Zane]

Quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog.

[Matt]

They always show that, like if you're looking at fonts and stuff, that's always like the display of it. Cuz you get to see all the letters in like one sentence and how it flows.

[Heath]

Now who figured that out?

[Matt]

They were like, guys, come in here, guys.

[Heath]

Were you, Were you guys obsessed with words that could be spelled backwards and forwards?

[Zane]

Yes.

[Matt]

A palindrome.

[Heath]

I would, I would sit there and write them out in elementary school for just every day I would. For no reason.

[Matt]

Like race car.

[Heath]

Yeah. I was just obsessed with it. I thought it was the coolest thing.

[Matt]

Zane,

[Jared]

what'd you say?

[Matt]

That's like lamb. Like race car, animal, Kayak is a palindrome. You know, like Hannah's a palindrome.

[Jared]

Oh, that's crazy.

[Zane]

Oh, which one is it?

[Matt]

But do you remember murder was Red Rum? Because like in the Shining he's like,

[Zane]

oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Heath]

Or the tattoos that were different words both ways.

[Matt]

Okay. Yes, yes.

[Heath]

I'm so glad I couldn't get tattoos of things when I was younger.

[Matt]

I know, right?

[Heath]

I would have the dumbest on me. I would have. I would have the tattooed on.

[Matt]

You have the word race car tattooed on you. No, you don't.

[Unidentified Guest]

Where?

[Jared]

It's right above my knee.

[Matt]

Very cool. Very cool.

[Heath]

I will.

[Zane]

I cannot judge. I will not judge. God knows what I have word race car.

[Matt]

Jared. Yeah.

[Zane]

He likes race cars, not me.

[Heath]

Sitting here talking about that saying I

[Zane]

would have the dumbest tattoos of forward, backwards, forward and Jared.

[Matt]

Yeah? Why do you have the word race car tattoo?

[Jared]

It's a song that I really like. I got it right before I moved to la.

[Matt]

No, it's fast.

[Heath]

Got it right when I turned.

[Matt]

It's fast car.

[Zane]

I can't see. What font is it?

[Jared]

Times New Roman.

[Matt]

Good. I like that.

[Zane]

That's not Comic Sans. I think I got Comic Sans one Christine Seidel day.

[Matt]

Didn't you? Comic San Comic Sans wingdings. What is your favorite font?

[Heath]

I can't tell fonts.

[Zane]

I used to like that font a long time ago, but now it's like super like basic. That like nuo n e u E N u e u e. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very like very modern. I don't like that anymore though.

[Matt]

Oh, Babos Bay boss new.

[Zane]

Bay boss new. I saw.

[Matt]

Oh yeah, it's kind of Helvetica. S. Sorry.

[Zane]

Not the one on the left. The one in the middle.

[Jared]

This one or.

[Zane]

No, that babies right there. The black one.

[Unidentified Guest]

One.

[Zane]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Oh, that is so.

[Zane]

I know.

[Matt]

Tumblr 20.

[Zane]

I know.

[Matt]

That was.

[Zane]

That was a long time ago, though, that I. I always used to click that one because I think I used to use that for my vlog tech. Like text on. On videos.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Zane]

Oh, remember when I had everyone's names on my 100th video?

[Matt]

Yes, you did. That was the font. That was the font iconic. Must be nice to like, make a font like. Yeah, like you like so. Because they were all invented by people.

[Zane]

It's crazy. And anybody just come up with one.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Zane]

As long as it's. It's somewhat a little different.

[Matt]

It's kind of a bummer now with like AI though. I feel bad for people who are in like typography and stuff because it was truly such a skill to like, know the flow and how words work and stuff with.

[Zane]

It just takes like all the thousands of fonts out there and just.

[Matt]

Yeah, you can make your own font also, too. Like if you just write, you know, down the quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog, it can take your handwriting and like, spit that out and make it. That's handwritten and. Oh, but. All right.

[Zane]

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[Matt]

Did you guys watch the crash documentary?

[Zane]

We did, Matt. I know we're supposed to watch it last time, but we finally got together and we watched it. We had, we had time.

[Matt]

Crazy case, little McKenzie show.

[Zane]

You know what I was thinking about the whole time was the cash me out was bad, baby.

[Matt]

Oh, and especially when she was in jail. Okay, before we dive into it, I just want to give a little bit of a skinny for the people. If you haven't seen it, if you think we're we're going to be talking about this. So part nervous if we spoil it, but basically this happened in Strongsville, Ohio on July 31, 2022. Mackenzie Shirilla crashed her Toyota Camry into a brick build building, killing her boyfriend, Dominic Russo and their friend Davian Flanagan. Sal McKenzie was 17 at the time of the crash. Dominic was in the passenger seat, Davion in the back seat. And they were both pronounced dead at the time. Dominic and Davian. And this happened at 5:30 in the morning. Her car was driving down this street and she suddenly hit the building at over 100 miles per hour. And the police at first thought this was like a total possible accident, but the more the investigators started looking at it, they said the car was working properly, the accelerator was pressed and there was no breaking before the impact. So this already looked very suspicious.

[Zane]

Did you know that they have a boxing cars that, that, that, like a black box? Yeah, yes, that, that recorded everything. I did not know.

[Matt]

I thought that was only on planes.

[Zane]

Yeah, yes, yes, on planes. I did not know every car had that, which thank God they did in this situation. But it recorded that her foot was on the, on the accelerator pedal 100 until the car hit the wall, which is like crazy.

[Heath]

Brakes weren't touched at all?

[Zane]

No, not at all.

[Matt]

That's what's so crazy about it. And so they started arguing, the prosecutors, that McKenzie intentionally crashed the car. And their theory was that she just wanted to kill Dominic because of their toxic relationship and breakup issues. But there were a lot of warning signs before this crash where like Dominic's family was saying that the relationship was volatile. There were reports of McKenzie threatening him and driving dangerously before and all. McKenzie though, she's like, oh, I blocked out. I don't remember a single thing that happened.

[Zane]

It's. Well, she was, she was able to use that excuse or tried to use that excuse. Yes. It's because she's had had episodes of that before, like here and there, which they were just like when the prosecutor told them as mom's like, you knew this and you allowed her to drive recklessly like this every day. And she was like, I just figured it was fine.

[Matt]

So basically I just want to finish the skinny and then we're gonna dive like more into it. So. But she was claiming she didn't black out, didn't remember it. Then towards the end she's like saying, oh, I have a medical issue. I have pots or like pot syndrome, where it says you can like black out randomly and stuff. But the judge didn't accept it and basically they ruled it by a judge, not a jury. And she was found guilty of murder, assault, vehicular homicide, drug possession, all. Everything.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Matt]

And they believed it was pre meditated. And so now she's in jail with two concurrent life sentences with a possibility of parole after 15 years. Years. But the whole documentary, really, it paints a very interesting picture.

[Zane]

Honestly, I didn't think the documentary would be that interesting because I, I saw the story on, on my feed and I was just like, oh, okay, that's crazy. But, but after the documentary I was just like, oh, this is an interesting case. Very, very interesting. Like, I, I've never heard of anything like this before, especially a girl like that. Because when you watch a documentary and you see her personality in your head, you're just like, this doesn't seem like a girl. Girl that would want to drive herself into a wall at 100. It's like pretty much what it seemed like she was doing was, was trying to take her own life along with the others in the car. Right. Like when you see the crash, you're like, holy. And in my head because. And they were trying to fight that, like, oh, she was super happy. She would never put herself in danger like that or want to commit suicide. And the first thing I thought was, I think she was so unaware of the situation that I felt like she truly thought that she wouldn't be able to like kill everybody in that car. Like driving 100 miles into the building. I don't, I don't think she was like, smart enough to understand how to maneuver a vehicle. That was.

[Matt]

Yes. Yeah, but see, that's where I struggle with, is the intent of it. I don't believe she was trying to kill herself. I think she's a narcissist and I Feel like narcissists are there. Yes, it was, it was a cry out for attention. That. But like. And once again, I'm not speaking with this as like firm. I believe this like, but it is what he. What do you think?

[Heath]

What I thought was interesting was it recorded the steering wheel inputs and the fact that it like got kicked into neutral while she was like flooring it at 100 miles an hour.

[Matt]

Oh.

[Heath]

So I was like, okay. There must have been some sort of struggle with the people in the car, like trying to grab the gear shifter, trying to like turn it and like get it away. So one thing that I was thinking, like, it kind of seemed like she might have been trying to hit just that passenger side.

[Matt]

Right.

[Heath]

And caused a full impact at like the corner of the building. And I don't know if they were like pulling on the wheel and like it hit more head on.

[Matt]

Huh.

[Heath]

So she was obviously like severely damaged. Like she was severely injured from it.

[Matt]

Also.

[Zane]

You. You think, you think that she. She like really in that moment attempted to only try to get that side hit. Like angle wise.

[Matt]

That's what people believe is that it was intentional like that she fully.

[Heath]

And then also I saw something that was separate like after the documentary. I think it was said that she was. The way she like her body was under impact made it seem like she was laying over top of the gear shift, like trying to cover it to keep them from like clicking it into neutral.

[Matt]

Oh.

[Jared]

Oh.

[Heath]

So I think maybe she just like put her head down and kind of

[Zane]

like a big thing. Also was in the case they mentioned that the road was not completely straight. It had somewhat of like a curve in it where anybody. If you were in a position where you blacked out or like lost, you wouldn't be able to possibly be able to stay straight on that street.

[Matt]

Like that curve like that maneuver, that curve like that.

[Zane]

And that was like a big thing too. If it was like completely straight, then it would have been harder to fight.

[Matt]

But the big package here is just her as a person and her type of person personality.

[Jared]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Like it. The more they investigated and they realized just how volatile a of a girl she was. She was a mean girl who would get in fights. Her social media, how full of herself she was.

[Zane]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Partying, doing shrooms, smoking weed all the time while driving. She thought she was above it all.

[Zane]

Yeah.

[Matt]

That nothing bad could come her way.

[Zane]

Did you. Did your soul, did your soul leave your body when they started playing her tick tock box right in the courtroom? I thought, I thought it was Just like, a sound. I didn't think, like, first I was showing.

[Heath]

We were watching it, and Zayn was like, why is this guy playing these videos? Like, yeah, she's dressed up. Whatever. It's a Halloween costume. He's like, why are they playing this? And then the guy was like, this was three months after she killed her boyfriend, best friend, and she's dressed up. Full blood corpse. And Zane was like, oh.

[Matt]

And she's like, it was a Playboy. Who were Playboy Cardi fans or, like, her friend who they interviewed who also refused to talk to the cop. I wanted to talk to the documentarians. I got bad vibes from her the whole time.

[Zane]

Because if you're. If you're in a mindset, if you have that sort of mindset where you're. You think it's appropriate to post a video like that after, then you probably are in a mindset of intentionally crashing a car into a building.

[Matt]

If I accidentally killed my two good friends, I would not even be going to a party three months out.

[Zane]

Yeah.

[Matt]

I'd be in such a state of mourning and trying to be there in support in, like, for the family's victims that I killed. Like, there's that. You don't do like that.

[Zane]

And her reaction when she was just like. Like, oh, remember when the first media outlet reached out to her? This was like, maybe the week or maybe two weeks after it happened, she, like, DMS them. She's like, I'm so excited for this opportunity. And you're like, excited for this opportunity.

[Heath]

No, the worst.

[Zane]

Your friends are dead.

[Jared]

Oh, her parents.

[Heath]

Her parents are.

[Matt]

Oh. Oh. I got the worst vibe where he started talking about pot. But, like, listen, I know you can recreationally smoke pot. You have a right. But he's like, I don't care if you do. I don't care if she does. And he starts saying that. I'm like, oh, daughter is underage.

[Zane]

It doesn't. There's a difference between, like, kind of in the background knowing that they do it. They don't do it in front of you. But, you know, you're just. You're. You're. You have a teenage kid. There's a difference between that and just like, I don't care what my daughter does. It's fine if she's like, she is

[Matt]

still underage documentary right now, talking about two kids that she killed. But you're, like, making this whole, like, podcast. It was very, like, poorly worded, and it just goes to show, oh, they rubbed me. This is the guy that's been, you Know, raising this child and morphing her view of the world along with his wife. She's equally as nutty crazy. You guys are the big reason why this girl turned out like this. So much. Shame on you guys.

[Zane]

I want to see a whole documentary on just them.

[Matt]

Oh, yeah.

[Zane]

After that documentary was done, I was like, I need to know more about these parents because there's no fucking way.

[Heath]

Have you guys seen all of the stuff that's not in the documentary, but, like the phone calls from jail that got leaked?

[Matt]

Yes. With her mother. She's has been acting up this entire time. She just went.

[Heath]

Wants Kim Kardashian to come to jail and like, basically represent her and get her out of jail and.

[Zane]

And she's saying it in such a fucking tone deaf. Like she's just completely.

[Heath]

And then finding out that this case is now big in Europe and they all know about it and oh, my God, it's in Europe. Girl, girl, you did it. You're. You're global.

[Zane]

You need to write your book, girl. Write your book.

[Heath]

Write your book. And I'm like, like, what? This is like the mom talking to the daughter too. I'm just.

[Matt]

And the mom apparently has been giving her like, so much money for like, commissary, like, stuff, and she has. There was a girl who was in jail with Mackenzie Shrilla and went on this huge mold. I saw that rant and shout out to a girl named Alyssa who made a tick tock out there that kind of really gave the skinny of the other girls videos because it was a lot to take in.

[Zane]

Wait, wait, wait. Already skinny of the girl that was in jail?

[Matt]

It's just like part 25, like, level videos or whatever. But McKenzie has, like, acted up so much. Prison right now has already had like 54, like. What's the word? I want to say, like charges, but like. Oh, disciplinary.

[Zane]

Oh, so she's acting up like she's not behaving in prison. I thought I was under the impression she was. Those phone calls were bad. But I thought she was at least behavior.

[Matt]

She was doing, like, naughty stuff with, like, on other people's call times too. Oh, like with over video calls and stuff. Just. Oh, and social climbing all her way there. Even like when she comes on camera at the end of the documentary with that goddamn hairdo, her, like, voice is different. Like, also a sign of a narcissist are people who just kind of mirror other people that are around them and like, pick up on how they talk just so they can, like, you know, level up in the group, you saw

[Zane]

how they kept apart. In the end, after they were done filming, she was just like looking at

[Matt]

her lawyer going, is that what I said? Good.

[Zane]

Yeah. Yeah. There's a reason why they left that in because they're just. Just like you. You. You make. You make the decision yourself what you think this girl is or if you think this girl would do something like this. Just the way that she.

[Heath]

She is. So Florida, though, It's crazy.

[Zane]

Yeah. This is like. This is who we grew up with.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Zane]

This. This girl right here.

[Heath]

I know like six people that are exactly like.

[Zane]

Yeah.

[Jared]

The part that like turned my gut was in the. During the. The court proceedings when the mom came up to speak.

[Heath]

Yes.

[Jared]

She just. She just goes. She's like, like. And Davion, like, he's. He was a new friend or whatever. I was. I was. And then the judge is like, what does that make his life worth less? And she was like, well, no, that's not what I was. But it's just like, you know, that's kind of what she means.

[Zane]

I felt like the whole time they were making the other kids life worthless, like, just even the amount of time the documentary was mentioning his name, I was like, well, why aren't they not talking about this kid? That had actually nothing to do with their relationship, really.

[Matt]

I know Daven's dad or like the adopted father. Oh, my God. Gosh. So he really, like, cared at the end where he's like, hey, if you want to show me your future, show me your friends. You know, if you want to see your future, show me your friends. Where he was really wanting him just to get out of this damn friend group too, to begin with.

[Unidentified Guest]

Yeah.

[Matt]

And God, it just has to break you as a father.

[Zane]

I mean, this also. This documentary, I feel like is just so good for new parents to watch too. Just like, who have kids growing up. They're just like, this is like real life. This is the. That like these kids are like getting into or like have know of people that are getting into. And I mean, we've had. We've had multiple people, I feel like just throughout our life during. In Florida, like in high school, middle school that have like died because of just bad situations like this where they could have. They should have never been in. It's.

[Matt]

It's.

[Zane]

It's so sad.

[Matt]

Pay attention to the people you're friends with. Like two, if you are already getting like red flag vibes off somebody, hell, you're almost an adult. Just have a good sense of people that you're Hanging out with.

[Zane]

And then you see in this situation, the parents are a direct, like, image of what, like, her. Like, I cannot believe her parents were acting like that. And like, their thought process of how they saw this entire thing was like, she didn't do anything. Like, it was. It's so insane.

[Heath]

I think a big thing that really bothers me too is, like, you know, accidents do happen. Things can go wrong. And it's all about your reaction time in the moment and how you step up and handle a situation. Like, multiple people like, that I know this has happened to. But even like our friend in high school, all of his friends, I mean, it's kind of graphic, but he was accidentally shot, and his friends that were with him freaked out because they were worried about themselves instead of trying to get him help.

[Matt]

Yes.

[Heath]

Call the cops. They were like, oh, my God, if. If we call the cops right now,

[Zane]

we're going to jail.

[Heath]

We're going to get in trouble. Trouble. And it's like, your. Your friend is there on the ground,

[Zane]

like, and also them not knowing that in that situation, enforcement, literally, they encourage you to. Encourage you to always call because in that situation, nobody won't be in trouble. They just want to say something.

[Heath]

He could have gotten that. Like, it's. It's so sad.

[Zane]

Like, knowing the final moments of your life, you just, like, no one's helping you because they're.

[Matt]

They're thinking about themselves.

[Zane]

That.

[Heath]

Is that it.

[Zane]

What a dark, dark layer.

[Heath]

Me.

[Zane]

Oh, my God.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Have you seen that movie? Super Dark Times.

[Zane]

Super dark times.

[Matt]

These kids came out, like, a couple years ago. These kids are, like, playing with a sword in, like, the park. And one of the kids, like, like a katana. And like, one of the kids accidentally, like, I saw a trailer stabs like, the friend.

[Zane]

Okay.

[Matt]

And then the friends, like, agree, like, let's just leave and this never happened. And then you have to go back to high school and they're all dealing with this. It's like almost like, I. I know what you did last summer type thing where they killed someone, but nothing's haun.

[Zane]

Did you ask if it was a real story?

[Matt]

No, it's not a real story, but it's just. It's a really freaky thing. We're just like, yeah, friends made a stupid mistake and then thought about themselves and just said, let's just pretend this never happened. And the whole friend group crumbling and them dealing with the secret. It's really dark. Very dark.

[Zane]

It's high and rotten tomatoes. So, yeah, no, it's.

[Matt]

It's worth popping on if you're, like, in the mood for to explore, even as depressing as it is.

[Zane]

I know, I. But I, I honestly, I see this more as like a, like a learning lesson. Every time I watch anything like this, I, like, take it in. Just like. Okay, all right. Brief pause to inform you this episode is sponsored by Better Help. Summer always sounds amazing in theory. More sun, more plans, more fun, more tans. But it can also feel like a lot to keep up with, especially if you have kids out of school and summer camps to fund and you're spending the whole season just trying to survive it. That's your sign to make a little time for yourself. For me, stress can easily turn into unhealthy coping, like binge eating, buying crap I don't need only to feel worse after. That's where Better Help can really help. BetterHelp connects you with fully licensed therapists who follow a strict professional code of conduct. They handle the matching for you using a quick questionnaire and over a decade of experience to pair you with the right fit. And you can switch at any time if it's not clicking. With 30,000 plus therapists and over 6 million users worldwide, it's the largest online therapy platform. And you can feel confident because Better Help is backed by a 4.9 out of 5 average session rating for more than 1.7 million reviews. So, guys, you don't have to say yes to everything this summer, find support in therapy, sign up and get 10% [e-mail] Zane and Heath that's better. H E L lp.com Zane and Heath thank you Better Help for sponsoring this podcast.

[Matt]

We love you watch that documentary on the manosphere with Louis Thoreau, that British journalist who like goes after, you know, like the Andrew Tate type personalities out there.

[Zane]

Okay.

[Matt]

In the world.

[Zane]

Like, like you're saying, like interview style

[Matt]

just goes in and like watches them like streaming all day and ask them questions and stuff and like. But did.

[Zane]

Was he. Did he interview you say he interviews streamers.

[Matt]

He. In this special. He does. He's a famous journalist who uncovers all different types of things and big kind of like he has commentary but also just kind of lets the footage speak for itself as well.

[Zane]

I like the, I, I like the idea of his, of the poster.

[Jared]

Yeah.

[Zane]

For the, for the, for his thing.

[Matt]

But what alarm me so much is that like realizing a lot of these guys who have these academies, you know, and these patreons where they're teaching you how to talk to women and how you need to Be as a man and all this stuff, how you can achieve a life of luxury, how young all of those fan bases are like those kids are like 14, 15 year old boys that are watching these men tell them how they need to talk to women and what women owe them.

[Jared]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Is like alarming. Yeah.

[Zane]

It's crazy.

[Matt]

I didn't, I didn't, I thought it was all like mostly adults. I didn't realize how skew.

[Heath]

How much like are the parents buying these courses for their kids?

[Zane]

I don't think kids are so tech savvy these days.

[Matt]

They got their own credit cards, they getting their own money, doing their own little cryptocurrency.

[Jared]

They.

[Zane]

I think allowances are a big thing now. I think and I think it's because you know, you know how like I feel like we all got digital money. We all got phones because all of our friends had phones. Right. So I think a lot of these parents like if they know that other kids are getting allowances, maybe they give them allowances too and then you can use that allowance.

[Matt]

We couldn't like buy.

[Zane]

Yeah.

[Jared]

Digital.

[Heath]

Yeah. You didn't have a bank account to put it in to go.

[Matt]

You could be buying Girls Gone Wild. Like you know, like, because you were like we. How do we buy it?

[Zane]

There's no way to do it. The only thing you can really spend that on is toys, video games, movie theater and, and food. Yeah, it's pretty much it.

[Heath]

And frozen yogurt.

[Zane]

That is really interesting. I like, I do really feel like they're, these kids are just getting allowances maybe on a, on a digital card and their Apple wall something.

[Matt]

Look at their charger.

[Jared]

Oh and then with technology nowadays half of these kids are drop shippers, you know, stock traders, you know, and stuff.

[Zane]

Like they're selling their own tick tock shop. They're just wearing like there's, there's a dis.

[Jared]

A disgusting amount of ways to make money for like any like it's great. But also when you talk about 14 or 15 year olds getting access to the amount of funds and have no idea what to do with it, then it's really concerning.

[Matt]

Right. And I'm all for entrepreneurship like make a business if you're young. But like this whole like hustle mentality like oh, I get a gamble and like risk stuff. Like they get that type of content and it's like yo, just keep your ambitions a little bit small. You're not even a full adult adult yet. Yeah, but they think they have to

[Heath]

like the grind mentality.

[Matt]

Oh, I can't imagine, like, what it is like growing up in high school now where every kid, like, wants to be a streamer or they have that just, like, that obnoxious personality and ego at that age. Like, oh, shut up.

[Zane]

I'm gonna watch it.

[Jared]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Oh, it's good popping on. Like, if you're just on the mood to watch.

[Heath]

Who has he had on?

[Matt]

It's like an hour and a half. Well, because there's not many American. Like, one guy's called. I hate even shout out them out. H, H, S. Tick tock. Like, he's like a British kind of Andrew Tate guy who's like, in his 20s. Then there's kind of a dude from Baton LaRouge, Louisiana, who's like an Andrew Tate dude. Some of these bodybuilders, like, and I'm

[Zane]

guessing when they ask him to go, come on, they have no idea what. Who.

[Matt]

Yeah. And some of them, like, you know, they're always, like, streaming, and they're like, yeah, I'm doing this interview because they think it's good exposure. And everyone's like, no, you're about to, like, have on Louis Theroux, who's about to, like, rip you one. Dude, you made a huge mistake. You're not gonna look at Sneako's on.

[Heath]

He had on Myon.

[Matt]

Do you know him?

[Jared]

Funny.

[Zane]

Who's Myon?

[Heath]

I know he's, like, a big one in that group. I've seen him, like, everywhere.

[Matt]

Gets embarrassed the most.

[Zane]

I'm an idiot. I literally thought him and Andrew Tate were the same person, because that's what I'm saying.

[Heath]

They're like a d. They're like, always together.

[Matt]

Yeah, I just, like, similar skeleton, like, to their body, too.

[Zane]

It's. I thought it was more like. To me, it's like the fa. Like, the head, the face a little.

[Matt]

No.

[Zane]

Maybe. You know, I think. I think I just got confused. I just thought they were the same person, but now I'm realizing they look completely, completely different.

[Matt]

He's.

[Heath]

He's big, though. Like, that's crazy. Like, he got some big people on this.

[Matt]

Oh, they bring on his wife and stuff, too. And, like, start asking her questions, like, so are you comfortable that your husband, like, is. Has, like, an open relationship and stuff? She's like, well. And you can see him just like. Like, he probably puts out that image that, like, yeah, my wife lets me be with other women. That's how things should be. But really, it's not like that behind closed doors.

[Zane]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Like, there's little moments like.

[Zane]

Like that he Tells everybody that she's open with him.

[Matt]

Well, yeah, Louie starts like interviewing his wife like on the spot, asking him those type questions. And you see him just like, like.

[Jared]

Okay, that's also the disgusting part about this side of the Internet, like the Manosphere side where, you know, like the Jubilee videos where they do like surrounded or the debates or whatever, sometimes they have like follow ups with them with like the people that were on. On it. And I was listening to one of the follow ups and the people, one of the, one of the women that's like always on these sorts of shows, like either debating on Jubilee or these like Manosphere podcasts. She was saying she was like, half of these guys don't even fucking believe what they sell on the Internet. Value, it's shock value. And they, it gets clicks and they just make so much money that it, like it pays to be an asshole on the Internet.

[Heath]

They just get worse and worse and worse because they know, know it's working. So then they just.

[Zane]

Because rage, Rage bait does so well on the Internet because people are like, I, this is unbelievable. I gotta share it with all my friends because look at, look up what this guy like believes, but like he doesn't believe a word that he says. It's just like, it's kind of like what I do on here. I just rage bait the entire episode.

[Matt]

They need to be talking to kids more about that. Yeah, I hope there are people that are getting booked to go speak at schools that's just like, you know, like they hire a speaker. Don't believe a lot of this stuff you see on the Internet. I don't, I don't know, but just. Yeah, making them a little bit wary or like get all the boys in a room and have a good man talk about this type.

[Zane]

But the same, the, the same person is like, don't believe anything on the Internet. But believe me, he's also a content creator. It's hard to like talk shit about the Internet when you're on the Internet because you're kind of just like, it's just like a tough.

[Heath]

Yeah, it's just like a contradiction.

[Zane]

Yeah. Because you don't want, promote.

[Heath]

Don't buy this guy's course. That guy doesn't know what he's talking about. Buy my course?

[Zane]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Did your school teach you about the

[Zane]

sex in like the, in like the appropriate way? Yeah, you know, kind of like just like the organs and what happens like

[Heath]

talking about puberty, we got like the Kama Sutra book and then.

[Matt]

Well, I remember like in fifth grade, they separated the boys and the girls, and we went in, we watched this VHS about puberty, and they gave us deodorant. And the girls watched a video and they got pads.

[Zane]

Oh, I don't. I don't remember getting deodorant. I think they just showed us, like,

[Matt]

they gave us °old. No. Old Spice deodorant. I can remember, like, the smell of it. I don't think that.

[Zane]

Dude, that's what. That's why. You know why? Because one. One kid stunk in that class, and they're like, all right, deodorant. Yeah, somebody else.

[Matt]

And then in seventh grade, we learned about STDs, and that was a thing where. I think it was boys and girls. And it was the nurse, and she would go through this slideshow of pictures from, like. I swear they're from this. It was gonorrhea from the 70s.

[Zane]

It's always old, grainy pictures that, like, don't even look real.

[Matt]

She would just, like, flash us, like, a diseased penis. You know what?

[Zane]

They should make it, like, look really scary just to, like, you know, just to scare us.

[Heath]

Are. Are you scared? Well, you should be, because you're on scare tactics.

[Matt]

Love scare tactics.

[Zane]

You get pregnant and then you die.

[Matt]

Yeah. Don't have sex in the missionary position. Don't have sex standing up. Don't have sex. Scare tactics. And I love.

[Zane]

What did they do? Tracy Morgan, the show.

[Matt]

Oh, Scare Tactics. It was like. It was a candid camera show where they would put contestants in, like, a horror movie type situation and scare them. Them, like, all right, you're gonna be working the night shift at this museum, and, like, something comes out and scares them.

[Zane]

Yeah, I actually really liked it, but they were.

[Heath]

But they were done really well. Like, there was, like, a whole build. Like, it just like.

[Matt]

I like the carbonara effect. Have you ever seen clips of that show?

[Heath]

But he's so unlikable.

[Matt]

Oh, I like him. I like him.

[Heath]

I don't know. I don't know if it's something about his acting that throws me off, because

[Matt]

he's like a magician. He has this type of personality where he needs to be on top of things. But, like, the one where you get the juicer where he's just like, oh, yeah. It's just. You put in one apple, and it's like, a whole gallon of apple juice.

[Zane]

How? Like, it's like people, like, just seeing the people's disbelief. They're like, oh, my God, I'll. Yeah, I'll get a couple. Like, the fact that they Are now buying a couple of oranges because they think, yes.

[Matt]

Well, then I think on the spot they go, you're on the show. But they're just.

[Zane]

Oh, you think those are staged?

[Matt]

Those reactions definitely let them know at the end of it, like, by the way, we're pranking you. Do you want to sign?

[Zane]

End of it is fine. But not like they don't know that they're being pranked in the beginning. That. In that. In that case, they're actors. They're just acting.

[Matt]

They're just like, how is it doing that? That's coming from one orange. And then like, it's just bullshit.

[Zane]

Now looking at it, how fake that looks.

[Matt]

I. I don't know. I think I'd fall for that.

[Zane]

Damn. They should have made it come out just a little bit slower.

[Matt]

Have you seen the time loop one where he's, like, working at a factory and he makes it and they're like, putting up a vase. The vase creates crashes. He distracts him. Suddenly the vase disappears. But they run the whole moment all over again with, like, a guy coming in going, hey, I'm clocking out. And the dude is like, am I on crack?

[Zane]

That would have put me in the hospital. That moment. I would have completely lost myself there. Or the one that was like the cat. Or the old lady turns into a cat.

[Matt]

Is this on Scare Tactics or carbonara.

[Zane]

Carbonara effect.

[Matt]

Oh, kind of guess, I think, right.

[Zane]

Or maybe that was just like a prank. Like a separate side. Little prank. Prank show where he was just like, yeah, you just like, they're working at some shop and the old lady turns into a cat.

[Heath]

I don't know if I saw that episode.

[Zane]

Maybe it wasn't. Maybe it was just like another little sideshow. In that moment, I would just immediately start looking around for a camera. Like, I. And before. I believe that type of. I just started looking around before because

[Heath]

Vest was that one show that it was like a. Another similar type thing like this. But the guy was in a coffee shop. It was like a bunch of people. And then, like, went up the wall.

[Matt]

That girl freaks out. Or she, like, is like, yeah. And then moves the chairs.

[Zane]

That's my favorite, the best.

[Matt]

Oh, they knew.

[Zane]

And they were promoting what movie? I think the Lazarus Effect.

[Matt]

I think it was Paranormal Effect or maybe Lazarus Effect, something like that.

[Zane]

I. I remember seeing that. I'm like, that's a damn good campaign. That is so smart, just seeing people's face. Because in that moment, like, what would you do? Would you, like, pull out your phone? Would you Run right out the door. Like, what would you do as a human if you saw some crazy like that happening in a coffee shop?

[Matt]

I don't know. If I saw a girl telekinesis, move a whole bunch of chairs, I would definitely walk closer to the door and

[Zane]

then pull out your phone.

[Matt]

And then I'd be like, I'm out. I think I'd run. I'd grab. I'd grab my wife first.

[Jared]

Was it this?

[Zane]

Oh, Carrie.

[Matt]

Yes. Oh, yeah. He, like, knocks the coffee on her laptop. She's like, oh, what have you done? Makes her angry.

[Zane]

The acting was a little kind of phooey in this, but. Are you kidding me? Imagine. Oh, but dude, older people.

[Jared]

Yeah.

[Zane]

Give a damn.

[Matt]

Heart attack.

[Zane]

Yeah.

[Heath]

Of course.

[Zane]

The devil.

[Matt]

How do they get these people in the damn cafe? Like, a lot of these people in the corner have to be, like, actors.

[Zane]

Oh, easier than you think. Yeah.

[Matt]

But then do they get. Hire someone like, oh, go here and pick up some coffee.

[Heath]

I know.

[Zane]

No, I think they just wait till somebody walks in because, sure, they're on a really busy street.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Zane]

Where at least one person is going to walk in. If they see a coffee shop is there just like. I'm sure these people have even never been in this building before. It's just like they're just walking.

[Jared]

Yeah.

[Zane]

Somewhere, and they're like, oh, a new coffee shop.

[Matt]

Speaking of coffee shop, did you see Crumbles? Like, new drink.

[Zane]

Is that true? The amount of sugar that's in that?

[Heath]

Outrageous.

[Matt]

It's like, what, 186 grams? There's no way.

[Zane]

There's.

[Heath]

It was a dozen Krispy Kreme donuts and what, five cans of. Of Coke.

[Matt]

No, no, it was 12 Krispy Kremes.

[Zane]

No, no, it was more than. It was way more than that. The amount of sugar that was in there. This is obviously for pr, Right? Like, they know how. They know. It's ridiculous. People are gonna talk about this.

[Matt]

Oh, yeah.

[Heath]

Should I try it?

[Matt]

Of course. I mean, have a sip. Don't. Don't drink the whole thing. Zayn might have it on a.

[Zane]

If he's having a. I would take a sip. I would never. I mean, drinking all that was.

[Matt]

Yeah. Just a sip. They're like, all right, throw it away. No, just put it there.

[Zane]

But you know what? I bet you it doesn't even taste like 186 grams of sugar. And that's scary.

[Matt]

What does it taste? Okay, it has Red Bull, Mountain Dew, pineapple, strawberry puree, coconut cream.

[Zane]

He. That's the. That you order at Swig. What? What you mean stop?

[Heath]

I get the sugar free.

[Matt]

They should.

[Zane]

Yeah, just make it sugar free.

[Jared]

What?

[Heath]

The 19 Krispy Kreme donuts. And now that I could do.

[Zane]

I've done that before on a.

[Heath]

How many do you think you could smash right now in one sitting?

[Zane]

Just six dozen, easy.

[Jared]

Oh, yeah, easily.

[Matt]

I can't do a dozen. I can do hungry if you.

[Jared]

Really?

[Zane]

Well, you don't like sugar?

[Matt]

Not really. I see. I would get disgusted by the sweetness after the 6. 6 I'm really reaching for. I could have one and be done and not even crave a second.

[Heath]

I could have just say. And it would have the same effect on me as just like a bite.

[Zane]

A zero.

[Heath]

I'd be like, that was just a starter.

[Zane]

Like, I haven't had any good.

[Heath]

I think I'll have some more.

[Matt]

That was an appet Appetizer.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Zane]

Oh, wait, no, no, no. A dozen. When it's not fresh. When it's fresh. 30, because it just goes down easier.

[Matt]

30 crispy.

[Zane]

You take it, you put it in your mouth. You don't feel it.

[Matt]

It just dissolves.

[Zane]

You're just like, where did.

[Heath]

But it would have to be, like, during, like, a movie or something. Like, if there was a box in front of me and I was just kind of going at it the whole time, like, to sit there and like, at a dinner table. And, like, that's my focus.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Heath]

I might just get, like, tired of eating. But if it was just, I need napkins.

[Matt]

Like, even after the first. I'm like, I gotta go wash my hands. And then you sit down. You're like, you know what? Let's do it.

[Heath]

Do it again.

[Zane]

And then you wash it down. Wash it down with a. With a coffee. And then just let the rest of the day.

[Matt]

How was Nashville?

[Zane]

It was nice. It was chill. We did. We did the CMA Fest, like, one night out of, like, the four.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Zane]

That they had. And it was just Heath and I, we went to the Nissan Stadium. It's weird, this festival. It was throughout, like, all of Broadway. So they shut down all the streets, like, kind of surrounding the stadium, like on the Broadway side. And they had stages in within. On the streets.

[Matt]

Oh, cool.

[Zane]

But walking through it, it didn't feel like a festival. It just felt like a normal day. It was really weird. And then we went straight to. We had to go over the bridge into Nissan Stadium. Stadium and. And watched, like, a few shows at. In the Celsius box.

[Heath]

And then we left right after Red Clay Strays. Keith Urban was just Starting to perform when we were leaving. So we got to see a little bit of him. Yeah, but everybody was great. Everybody sounded so good.

[Matt]

Nice.

[Zane]

Very chill crowd.

[Jared]

I was.

[Zane]

I was surprised.

[Heath]

Everybody was very laid back.

[Zane]

Like looking down at every. You know, like. Like normally when I'm like at a concert just screaming everywhere. Very chill.

[Matt]

Cool.

[Zane]

I was very surprised. And then, I mean, rest of the time, what? We kind of just chilled. I hung out with Tony a lot.

[Heath]

We got ice cream a few times.

[Zane]

Yeah, Handles ice cream is so.

[Matt]

I had ice cream last night. Have you ever heavy handed.

[Zane]

Have you ever had handles?

[Matt]

I just had one of those heavy handed dip. Little funfetti dip cone.

[Jared]

I got the chocolate.

[Zane]

Oh, nice. Oh, is it good?

[Matt]

Yeah, it's really good.

[Zane]

Did you try the.

[Matt]

I wish the whole flavor of the ice cream was fun confetti. I don't like that. It's just the dip cone. Oh, you know what I mean?

[Zane]

Yeah, yeah. They gotta make.

[Heath]

If you. If you like a dipped cone, go to the tasty Freeze at Wienerschnitzel.

[Matt]

We went one time after unfiltered with

[Heath]

the fruit loop dip.

[Matt]

Yes, yes, yes, yes. You took me. It was delicious.

[Heath]

Is my dude.

[Zane]

Yeah. No, that cone was crazy at a place.

[Heath]

But go to handles. Go to handles.

[Zane]

One day they had these new flavor, these new flavors. It was. Was graham cracker flavor and then also confetti black. What was it? Brownie, confetti, brownie batter. Confetti.

[Heath]

It was like the. Like a cosmic brownie.

[Matt]

Cosmic brownie, brownie, butter batter, brownie batter.

[Zane]

And taking those two flavors was absolutely insane. I've never had any flavor like that in my life.

[Heath]

Z. I went last night again right, right after.

[Zane]

Did you get the quadruple?

[Heath]

I did a triple.

[Jared]

All right.

[Zane]

Oh, you're having a light day.

[Matt]

Hamburger. Hamburger heaven and Gardendale. It's the one that Patricia's dad like, doesn't run. They have a fruity pebble milkshake.

[Heath]

Milkshake.

[Matt]

Ooh, right?

[Zane]

That sounds amazing.

[Matt]

I know.

[Zane]

Love the flavor of like a fruity pebble milk fl. It's.

[Jared]

Is this what you were talking about?

[Matt]

That looks like. That looks like one of those little cheap ass brownies.

[Zane]

You get the cosmic brownies brownies.

[Jared]

That looks.

[Zane]

Oh, no, but the thing is that I don't like. I don't really like cosmic brownies. It does not taste like that. It tastes a thousand times better. I think they just called it that just so they could put like colorful little sprinkles in it.

[Matt]

Well, custom brownies were good just to get you through the day. It was the only treat you were gonna get. It's not a little.

[Zane]

Anywhere near as good as a. Even a shitty brownie. I think a shitty brownie is better than it. A cosmic brownie.

[Matt]

I like a zebra cake.

[Zane]

A zebra cake is good because it's like, oh, yeah.

[Heath]

No way. Over a cosmic brownie. You're on crack.

[Zane]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Zebra. Zebra cake was more filling. Like, that was like you. It takes away that.

[Zane]

I just think they should put a little bit more icing in the middle.

[Matt]

I agree.

[Zane]

It was like, a little too thin. And on the box, it would show. It was this thick. It would show to thicker. It was not that thick.

[Matt]

Shout out, Little Debbie. I mean, Little Debbie was.

[Zane]

She really ran that. Y' all ran that.

[Heath]

What's the one?

[Matt]

That was a Christmas tree.

[Heath]

I.

[Jared]

With the Christmas.

[Matt]

Christmas tree was like.

[Zane]

Yeah, the same thing.

[Matt]

Just do it for the holidays.

[Zane]

Yeah.

[Heath]

Okay. Seasonal.

[Matt]

Yeah. Little Debbie. She celebrated it all.

[Zane]

Yes. Oh, yeah.

[Matt]

Yeah, Little Debbie.

[Zane]

I love the box.

[Matt]

Look at the box.

[Zane]

It's so Christmassy.

[Jared]

It's so nostalgic.

[Zane]

Yeah.

[Matt]

I'm so pumped for Christmas, guys.

[Zane]

Do they sell those every Christmas? Every holiday.

[Matt]

If not, bring them back a Little Debbie. You should be Little Debbie for Halloween. That's pretty funny. Box of just all this stuff, handing them out.

[Zane]

It's actually a really good costume.

[Matt]

Oatmeal cream pie. Now that. Those are good too, Honey bun. Oh, honey. Oh, Nutty Buddies. Honey buns. You get that out of, like, a vending machine.

[Heath]

Damn.

[Matt]

She.

[Heath]

She had variety.

[Matt]

She didn't stop.

[Heath]

Wow.

[Zane]

That's so good. They should make a bakery. They should make a Little Debbie bakery.

[Matt]

Mini muffins. Mini muffins. Addicting.

[Zane]

I've never. I didn't know they made those. I only. I've only had little bites. I didn't know. I think the Little Debbie made these.

[Heath]

Look up the Little Debbie factory. I think it's in Cleveland, Tennessee, by where my brother used to live and where my grandparents are. Because there's also a Little Debbie park nearby that's got giant, like.

[Zane]

Is that why you were there?

[Matt]

Turn it into Dollywood, baby. I want. I want a Little Debbie roller coaster. Oh, yeah.

[Unidentified Guest]

Right there,

[Zane]

honey bun.

[Unidentified Guest]

Yes.

[Matt]

A little zebra cake safari.

[Heath]

Yup.

[Matt]

Oh, yeah. It's right outside of Chattanooga.

[Zane]

Okay, wait, you can't go inside, right? Or is it just like the main factory?

[Matt]

I'll go to Little Debbie's house.

[Heath]

Is she still alive?

[Matt]

She got arrested. She had a served. She deserved time.

[Heath]

Free Little Debbie.

[Matt]

Free Little Debbie. She Was. Debbie is a real person, actually. Debbie McKee Fowler.

[Zane]

Oh, she's a fan.

[Jared]

Fowler.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Jared]

I have.

[Zane]

I have Fowler families.

[Matt]

Oh, okay. So you related to little Deb?

[Zane]

I think so.

[Matt]

So, yeah, she basically inspired the iconic brand in 1960 when her grandfather used her name in illustration. God, can you imagine being her sister, like, Michelle? Like. Well, can I, like, no, it had

[Zane]

to be an only daughter because I feel like they both would have been on there.

[Matt]

Little Debbies, her little straw hat. Is she still. Is she still with us?

[Zane]

Oh, could be.

[Matt]

She's a fox.

[Zane]

You just, like, just damn fucking on her.

[Matt]

Oh.

[Zane]

Oh, my God.

[Matt]

She looked like she shows up at a potluck.

[Zane]

Oh, yeah.

[Matt]

Like, little Debbie is showing up with.

[Heath]

With the best stuff.

[Zane]

She is the sweetest. You could tell.

[Matt]

Oh, yeah, She's. She's going to church.

[Zane]

Not a bad bone in her body, but the.

[Matt]

Yeah, the jacket she's wearing, kind of psychedelic.

[Zane]

She probably dabbled with acid here and there.

[Matt]

Yeah, a little bit.

[Zane]

With all that money, she was probably bored.

[Heath]

Have to.

[Matt]

Have to.

[Zane]

All right, guys, we're gonna end this shindig. Thank you so much for tuning into another episode. You can check out these episodes every Monday, audio form and all podcast platforms and video form on YouTube.com Zayn Heath.

[Heath]

Huh? And if you want to check out the unwind, make sure to go to our Patreon. Patreon.com Zayan and Heath. We keep these cameras rolling. You get an extended cut of every single podcast episode. We do early access ad free. You get a bonus episode every month, a live Q and a every single month. And Again, it's on patreon.com Zane and Heath.

[Zane]

All right, unwind. We'll see you right now. Everybody else, see you next week.

[Matt]

Right now. Peace and blessings. Toodles. Toodles.

[Zane]

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