S5 Ep55: #257 - Heath's Hiking Trip Gone Wrong

Summary

Podcast Summary: Zane and Heath: Unfiltered – S5 Ep55: #257 - Heath's Hiking Trip Gone Wrong

In Season 5, Episode 55 of "Zane and Heath: Unfiltered," titled "#257 - Heath's Hiking Trip Gone Wrong," hosts Zane Hijazi and Heath Hussar delve into Heath's adventurous yet harrowing hiking expedition in the Smoky Mountains. Released on November 11, 2024, this episode offers listeners a vivid recounting of the challenges faced during the trip, interactions with wildlife, and unexpected encounters that turned the journey into a memorable ordeal.

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1. Introduction to Heath's Hiking Trip

Heath begins by sharing his recent trip to Tennessee, emphasizing the importance of family time and the excitement of embarking on a four-day trekking adventure with friends and family.

• Heath (08:06): "I went a little early to see my family, get a little bit of family time in, see my parents, my grandparents."

2. Setting Off: The Trail and Initial Challenges

The group, comprising Heath, his brother, buddy Austin, and two firefighter friends, sets off on the infamous "Tail of the Dragon" trail—a stretch renowned for its winding roads and scenic beauty. Despite being prepared for cold weather, the unexpected warm and humid conditions posed discomfort during the hike.

• Heath (12:00): "We drove that in and then we dumped our car at the bottom of the trail where we were going to be like exiting."

3. Encounter with Bear Tracks and Wildlife

Upon reaching the trailhead, the group immediately notices fresh bear paw prints, signaling potential wildlife encounters. Heath reflects on not bringing his bear spray due to travel constraints, heightening the group's anxiety.

• Heath (15:05): "There's wet bear paw prints all throughout the mud. I would have turned around."

4. Nighttime Frights and Bear Sightings

As night falls, the group's fear intensifies. Heath recounts a midnight scare where one of the members spots two sets of eyes in the darkness, leading to a tense moment.

• Heath (21:08): "He put his headlamp on and he turned and he saw two sets of eyes 50ft away staring at us."

Heath further explains the group's reactions and strategies for dealing with potential bear encounters, including sharpening objects as makeshift defenses.

• Heath (17:25): "We were sharpening these things down into these giant pokers."

5. Campsite Situation and Decision Making

The campsite location added to the group's unease as they discovered bear traps nearby. Faced with high bear activity, they had limited options for safe lodging, prompting difficult decisions about where to set up camp.

• Heath (20:03): "We set up for the night, started getting dark, and then we all started getting, like, a little, like, little spooked."

6. Final Days: Cemeteries, Abandoned House, and More Wildlife

During their trek, the group stumbles upon historical cemeteries dating back to the 1700s and an abandoned house, heightening the eerie atmosphere of their journey. Heath shares unsettling encounters with wild boars and red wolves, further complicating their expedition.

• Heath (38:28): "Heath, you're gonna get haunted. You are so."

• Heath (39:35): "We came across a bear on the trail, like right in front of us."

7. Reflections and Lessons Learned

Reflecting on the trip, Heath acknowledges the blend of excitement and fear that characterized their adventure. The group successfully navigated the trail, despite the numerous challenges, and Heath emphasizes the value of preparedness and group dynamics in overcoming unforeseen obstacles.

• Heath (42:07): "I could talk forever about the hike, but it was amazing. We made it out safe, nothing bad happened."

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Heath (15:05): "There's wet bear paw prints all throughout the mud. I would have turned around."

• Heath (21:08): "He saw two sets of eyes 50ft away staring at us."

• Heath (17:25): "We were sharpening these things down into these giant pokers."

• Heath (38:28): "Heath, you're gonna get haunted. You are so."

• Heath (42:07): "We made it out safe, nothing bad happened."

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Conclusion

"Heath's Hiking Trip Gone Wrong" provides an engaging and detailed narrative of a challenging outdoor adventure, highlighting the unpredictability of nature and the importance of preparedness. Through candid discussions and vivid storytelling, Zane and Heath offer listeners an immersive experience, capturing the essence of Heath's ordeal in the Smoky Mountains.

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Transcript

[Matt]

Lights are going up, snow is falling down. There's a feeling of goodwill around town. It could only mean one thing. McRib is here. People throwing parties, ugly sweaters everywhere. Stockings hung up by the chimney with care. It could only mean one thing. McRib is here. Participate in McDonald's for a limited time. Lights are going up, Excitement all around. It can only mean one thing.

[Zane]

McRib is here.

[Matt]

People throwing parties, ugly sweaters everywhere. Holiday swag lined up for the best time of the year. It can only mean one thing.

[Zane]

McRib is here.

[Matt]

Ba da ba ba ba. And participate in McDonald's for a limited time only.

[Zane]

It's a very PG, but we love that.

[Matt]

Very PG, though.

[Zane]

I'm gonna start off with. Try to start with PG intros.

[Matt]

Do they still rate movies anymore? I feel like I never, like, see rated R, P, G. They don't say.

[Zane]

In trailers, but they. It is just. It's just rated whatever.

[Matt]

I think.

[Zane]

I think you just need to look up to see the rating. They will never say it on the trailer.

[Matt]

Oh, they used to. Or maybe they used to.

[Zane]

I think maybe specific. Maybe it depends on the channel that they're promoting the movie on. Maybe they, like, have to. I don't know. But I. I don't really see it in trailer. If you go to YouTube and watch a trailer, they're not saying rated R. Yeah, rate it rated PG 13.

[Matt]

And then. Or if you're on Netflix, there's nothing that says rated R or PG 13.

[Zane]

It also loses. It loses the aura of a trailer.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Zane]

If you think about it, like, if a trailer is so good and then it's like, rated R, it's like.

[Heath]

Or. Or it looks really scary and then you see, like, pg, you're like, okay, okay, I'm not cool.

[Zane]

No, really, like, if I movie that looks good and then it's pg, I'm. No, it's crazy. I don't know what it is.

[Heath]

Like a horror movie that, like, at the end they show PG13. You're like, it can't be that.

[Zane]

Can't be that good. It can't be that good.

[Matt]

I'm always curious where the shift is between G and the pg.

[Zane]

Oh, I know. It's one curse word or it's more than one. Is it one curse word or more than one?

[Matt]

Maybe has to deal with, like, death or, like, violence a little bit.

[Zane]

Like PG 13.

[Matt]

Yeah. Like. Or no, PG.

[Zane]

Oh, PG. PG.

[Matt]

PG and G. Where do they draw the line? What?

[Zane]

Well, PG is parental guidance. Right? So, like, you still need A parent with you if you're under 18. Correct. Or is it under so G?

[Matt]

You don't need parents at all. You're like, mom, I don't care. I have every right to watch this.

[Zane]

Yeah. So if you're watching the backyard against. Yeah. Or you're watching the Teletubbies, you. You don't need a parent. The parents leave the kids.

[Matt]

Who was the Lion King, PG or G?

[Zane]

Oh, no, that's pg.

[Matt]

When Mufasa died.

[Zane]

That's pg.

[Matt]

I, I. That's me. Yeah. I had to have a talk with my parents after. You know, you are.

[Heath]

I see what you did.

[Matt]

Oh, oh, you didn't mean. I didn't even mean that. Wow.

[Zane]

And it's like, still. It's still a dark. There's dark moments in the movie, which I feel like that's why they have PG in it.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Zane]

You know what I mean? Great conversation. I love this. God, I feel so informed. And then PG13 is obviously before a.

[Matt]

Little bit of cursing. A lot of you can.

[Zane]

One, I think one curse word, you can say shit. Yes. But one, you can't have, like, more than one. Or two, you can't say.

[Matt]

I think you get one F word in a PG 13.

[Zane]

Yes. It's something like that.

[Matt]

You get one F, and when you get.

[Zane]

When you got two in there rated R, you're done. Boom. But at that point, you might as well just go all out.

[Matt]

I remember in Dunstan checks in, Jason Alexander says shit in it. And that movie was pg and that was a Disney movie.

[Zane]

That's okay then one. One time. But it's the real world, though. You know, kids are walking out, they're going to hear it. So I think in their head, it's like, as long we just throw it in there, because kids are, like, hearing it here and there, and, like, they need to understand that it's a bad word. Don't say it.

[Heath]

Have you seen that people are playing older cartoons and movies for their, like, toddlers.

[Danielle]

Yes.

[Heath]

And it's stopping all of the temper tantrums and, like, their behavior because they're.

[Matt]

Not changing up the frame every, like, three seconds. Like Coco Melon, where.

[Heath]

Yeah, that's what it is.

[Zane]

Yeah.

[Danielle]

They're so overstimulating. That's why the kids are paying attention to them, because they're so overstimulating. But the second it's off, they are off the walls.

[Zane]

Yeah.

[Danielle]

So people are experimenting and playing shows that they grew up watching, and they notice behavioral changes in their kids.

[Zane]

Have you seen a pair, like, There's a. I saw a mom on Tick Tock. That was that she was with her son, like she very young son. And he's talking about how he was talking. He was saying things like, when. When you die, can you. Can you die happy or something? It was something very weird. And she's like, what was that? And he asked again, and she then is like, what is he watching? She goes to her phone. She's. She sees that he's watching kids shows. And then she clicks on one of the kids shows on YouTube and it's just like alligator puppet. That like, obviously is run by a certain YouTube channel. But the. What he's saying is so dark. Just we like, definitely not a kid show, but he's putting it out as a kid show.

[Matt]

Who's doing that? That's like an evil person.

[Zane]

Crazy. But she saw that and it blocked everything. Now she's like, really? I think she has. I think she has like YouTube parental thing on it. But some things are getting passed as kids shows. But, like, that's great. They're saying really dark, weird stuff that kids should not be hearing.

[Matt]

Oh, gosh.

[Zane]

But yeah, when, like, that reminded me of that. Like, that's crazy. That's.

[Heath]

But like, very interesting.

[Zane]

That's why we need to go back to Blues Clues and take it back to spongebob. Yeah, no, you know, we've noticed a little bit spongebob is a little. It's on the line, you know, that.

[Matt]

Is a gateway drug to crack. That is.

[Zane]

Let's wait till the kid is maybe like 13, 14 for SpongeBob.

[Heath]

You know, my brother is like, also super into SpongeBob. Like I am. And he's trying to get his toddler into it. And he was like, he just doesn't understand it yet. Like, he doesn't. Like, he, like, likes looking at it, but he's not.

[Matt]

He can't really like following Connecting the dots.

[Zane]

I like the pretty colors. Yeah.

[Heath]

Almost three. But he likes the look of it.

[Matt]

Yeah, yeah, it is.

[Zane]

It is a very aesthetically looking. It has the aura to it. Just don't let him watch the new one. I think that's when his brain will start getting, you know, weird.

[Heath]

Like one to season five.

[Zane]

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Keep it there.

[Matt]

You know, you and Ms. Rachel have something in common.

[Heath]

Me and Ms. Rachel?

[Matt]

Yeah. Both have your nipples pierced.

[Heath]

I used to.

[Matt]

I know, but I have heard.

[Heath]

I have heard that.

[Matt]

I thought that was a joke people would make about Ms. Rachel. And then I saw a video and she. She was like outside and all Respect to her.

[Zane]

No, but I understand. I understand why she gets Miss Rachel.

[Matt]

Miss Rachel parties. I believe that's true.

[Zane]

But I can see her being, like, overwhelmed by, like. I'm sure she really did not want anybody seeing it because, you know, she does, like a whole kids show. But, like, one little moment is just that it's a nip slap.

[Matt]

That's why she's always wearing the overalls to, like, really cover it up. All respect to me, you know, it's her personal decision.

[Zane]

But yeah, I know.

[Heath]

It's.

[Zane]

Thanks. When a kid's like, you know, it's.

[Matt]

Just I. I told some. My friend. Wife who's a toddler and they love Ms. Rachel. I said that.

[Danielle]

Your friend.

[Zane]

Your friend's wife is a toddler?

[Matt]

No, my friend's wife. Sorry.

[Zane]

Right. You know what? I didn't want to say because I thought it was my ears, but as soon as you started, I.

[Matt]

And I was like, I told her about the Miss Rachel nipples, Pierce. And she goes, why did you tell me that? Now I can't get the image out of my head every time.

[Zane]

It's real life, though. It's real life.

[Matt]

Real life.

[Zane]

It's raw, raw, real.

[Heath]

Let's jump into this, baby.

[Zane]

Yeah. Let's go. It's coffee talk, baby. Let's go.

[Matt]

Oh.

[Heath]

Oh.

[Zane]

Welcome back to Zane and Heath Unfiltered. I'm Zane.

[Heath]

I'm Heath.

[Matt]

I'm Matt.

[Danielle]

I'm.

[Zane]

We are unfiltered. Welcome back to another Monday, Tuesday morning.

[Heath]

Yeah, I just got back from Tennessee. You did a week out there. I went a little bit early to see my family, get a little bit of family time in, see my parents, my grandparents.

[Zane]

You went a little earlier. You went the day after Halloween? Yeah.

[Heath]

Yes, I did. I went super, super early and just got to, you know, hang out, family time. And then we were driving probably about, like, two hours away to do, like, the whole hiking trip.

[Matt]

Who's we? You and your whole family or my.

[Heath]

Brother and then my buddy Austin and two firefighter friends.

[Matt]

Nice.

[Heath]

But yeah, so it was really, really nice. We got to see my little nephew.

[Matt]

Oh.

[Heath]

And it's so weird because it was his first time remembering me, and I've only seen him like, a handful of times, but, like, when I walk, because he was at the park when we, like, met up with him, and he turned and he saw me and, like, lit up and immediately recognized me. And I thought that was the craziest thing. Like, just this little brain being able to recognize your face and put, like.

[Matt]

The permanence is, like, finally setting in where you're like, I know you, you, and you exist. And I see you.

[Zane]

Because the first time we saw him is when he was a little baby, and you weren't sure if he even, like, remembers you or not.

[Heath]

Yeah. And then you, like, see him at, like, one, one and a half and then two. But now he's almost three. And, like, he was just like, uncle Heath. And I was like, oh, what in the. Like, it was.

[Zane]

I know before you got there, he was playing podcast. He's like, that's uncle. You make sure you remember, like a flashcard.

[Matt]

Yeah, I bet. You look. You know, you and your brother look very similar. I think when he, like, sees you, he sees, like, the face of his father, and he's just like, this. I am related to this person. This person's part of my tribe. Yeah.

[Heath]

It's so bizarre, but, like, hearing him say that. And then, like, we were just hanging out at my brother's house, and he was. We were holding him, and we, like, walked into the bathroom, and on the wall, there was, like, one of those, like, kind of like just bathroom signs. And I forget what it said, but it was like, something like love. Like, kind whatever. Like kind of like a little prayer type thing. And it set it on the wall, and he pointed and was reading it.

[Zane]

Whoa. And I was like, at 3 years.

[Heath]

Old, not even 3. Get him in n. And I was like, wait, what? And I was like, did you. And he just read it again. So I grab a book. Grab a book. I ran over to the books, and I sat him down, and I was like, what does this say? He read every single book. Like, how old is he? 2.

[Danielle]

And he'll be three at the end of the month.

[Heath]

End of this month, he'll be three.

[Matt]

Oh, my gosh. He's gonna.

[Zane]

Both his mom and dad are like, we haven't taught him this. We haven't done.

[Heath]

My mom was freaking out, too.

[Zane]

Wait, so what's going on? How is.

[Heath]

Well, he had, like, kind of, like, speech trouble. Like, he just wasn't talking for a very long time. So they had, like, somebody, like, starting to, like, work with him.

[Danielle]

Speech therapy, right?

[Heath]

Yeah, I guess that worked really, really well.

[Zane]

But no speech classes to work and teach them how to read, too.

[Heath]

And they would always, like, read to him. And, like, yeah, sometimes it's nice putting.

[Matt]

A visual to what our words that we're saying as well, because it's, like, all sound at first, and then you're.

[Heath]

Finding, like, his voice with the words. But it was Matt. It was crazy. Like watching him read every word.

[Matt]

He's going to be reading Shakespeare by next spring.

[Zane]

He's going to know no more. No more worse than me. When he's five, I'm like, I'm like getting jealous.

[Heath]

It was so he can't at what.

[Zane]

Level I came and catch up to him. Like if I started now, I couldn't, I could never catch up to him.

[Heath]

But yeah, it was just so cool to like watch a little brain.

[Matt]

Yeah, it's a beautiful time.

[Heath]

It's so cool. But yeah, it was really nice. We got to have like a lot of nice little family time and then got packed up and then we were off to the trail.

[Matt]

What is the trail called?

[Heath]

The Smoky Mountains.

[Matt]

Nice.

[Heath]

But on the way I didn't realize that we were going to be doing it, but we. Do you know what the Tale of the Dragon is?

[Matt]

No.

[Heath]

Have you heard of it?

[Matt]

Is this a landmark?

[Heath]

So it's a stretch of really, really windy roads. It's like a super famous place in the United States for like people who. Car commercials.

[Matt]

Oh yes, I have seen, I've seen.

[Zane]

It millions of times. Yes.

[Heath]

So it's like the most iconic place to go ride a motorcycle or like drive your car. And I didn't realize that we were going to be taking this in to get to the hiking spot. And it was so beautiful, especially now because like all the leaves were like changing colors. They were like falling.

[Zane]

Oh, I just want to go. Cuz it's called Tail the Dragon. Sorry.

[Heath]

It has nothing to do with, you know.

[Zane]

I know, I know, I know me, I know me.

[Heath]

But it was really cool. So we drove that in and then we dumped our car at the bottom of the trail where we were going to be like exiting.

[Matt]

How long was this trail or camping along the way?

[Heath]

Four day trekking.

[Matt]

Four day trekking.

[Heath]

Carry your bag with your tent, all your sleeping gear, all your food, and you just keep walking and then camp at the end of the night at like a campsite.

[Matt]

Have any of you and your buddies have done this trail before? Or was this all of your first time doing it?

[Zane]

Okay, and are you, are you bringing in, Are you bringing the same amount of stuff that you brought in last time? Now do you know what to bring, what not to bring, or is it just different every time?

[Heath]

So that's the thing. Like you try to be as light as possible, but without losing certain luxuries.

[Matt]

And losing your mind. Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah. Because that would just make me. Because you're like, I want to have enough, but then I'm gonna have a little bit extra.

[Zane]

I also don't want to break my back with all that stuff that I.

[Matt]

That I want to bring.

[Zane]

Yeah.

[Heath]

So we dumped the car, but then we had to take a. We took a boat ride, like, to the other side of the lake, and the boat driver dropped us off on, like, this little, like, rocky patch.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Heath]

And then you were just like. And he just lets you go, and he's like, all right, later.

[Matt]

Do you pay the boat guy?

[Heath]

Yeah, we had to pay, like, a shuttle fee.

[Matt]

Okay, got it.

[Heath]

Cool.

[Zane]

And you're the only ones. There's nobody with you that your height is fired.

[Heath]

There was nobody else out. Well, I'll get there.

[Matt]

You said you dumped the car. Wait, do you at least, like, do people know that it's your car? Like, if something were terrible to happen? No, they know. Like, oh, really? Like a note on the car going, we own this. We took this trail just to. In case.

[Zane]

Oh, that's really smart.

[Matt]

There wasn't, like, a checkpoint that you went into before you parked the car or was the parking.

[Heath]

There was, like, a parking lot, and then there was no other cars there, though. So we parked in the parking lot, and then we walked to this little, like, Fontana Dam Marina.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Heath]

And then we paid for a shuttle to just take us to the other side of the lake, and it was, like, the start of our trailhead.

[Matt]

You guys were the only people on the shuttle. Were there other people?

[Heath]

Nobody else?

[Matt]

Okay.

[Zane]

Isn't the trail that you're taking, isn't this a trail that you looked up and people do take this trail? Yeah, they would.

[Heath]

Trails.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Heath]

They have a bunch of really good hikes.

[Matt]

Happy trails.

[Zane]

They should. They should have won.

[Heath]

But, yeah, like, we knew the route and everything that we were going to be taking and everything. But as soon as we got off the boat, we, like, scaled this kind of, like, rock face, like, right at the water.

[Matt]

You scaling something at the very start.

[Heath]

It was immediate. And then as soon as we got to it, there was, like, a creek that flowed down into the. The lake. Right. And as soon as we stepped foot at the very top, we looked. There was wet bear paw prints all throughout the mud. I would have turned around, crossing the rocks. And we're looking at this as the boat drivers just driving away. And I was like, that's it. Like, we're in it. Like, this is.

[Matt]

Did you have bear spray?

[Heath]

No, I bring bear spray on every single hike. And I'm like. I was like, whatever. I don't need it.

[Zane]

How heavy is the bear spray?

[Matt]

It's like hairspray. I know.

[Zane]

It's not just for. It's for anything.

[Matt]

Anything.

[Heath]

I also got worried because I was, like, flying with it, and I didn't want, like, any issues and things like that. And I just didn't have time to grab a new one. So I was just like, whatever.

[Zane]

He's like. He did bring his key, though. That, like, is a knife.

[Matt]

Back up.

[Heath]

I can't even poke through the hair. But it was crazy because we saw these, like, paw prints and then also, like, baby bear paw prints. So I was like, oh, it's a mom and baby cubs.

[Matt]

I was, like, even more protective and scary.

[Zane]

Exactly. But it was.

[Heath]

We started, like. It started setting in right there.

[Matt]

What time of day are you now scaling this, or is this 8 in the morning?

[Heath]

We got to the other side and got dropped off at around noon.

[Matt]

Oh, nightfall's coming. Just around the corner.

[Heath]

And our campsite was basically right there. So it was 100ft away from, like, where we first started. So there was no real hiking the first day.

[Matt]

Got it.

[Heath]

But I kind of wish there was, because I was like, okay, well, now we're staying right where we just saw these tracks.

[Zane]

And none of your friends. You're with four other people. Nobody. Or three other people. Nobody brought anything to protect your group.

[Heath]

No. We were just, like, by the end of the trip, we were sharpening, like.

[Zane]

These beers.

[Heath]

Just, like, shaving these things down into, like, these giant pokers.

[Zane]

The first thing I would have started doing, I would have started anything to make something sharp.

[Heath]

Making bow and arrows and stuff. We did not realize what we were into. But literally, right next to our first little, like, campsite, there was, like, a little fire ring and everything. We're like, okay, we're good. 10ft away is a bear trap. Like, a giant bear cage.

[Zane]

Well, that's good.

[Heath]

And I was like, not good. Because they're, like, they're obviously there for a reason.

[Matt]

Yeah, but, like, a bear trap? Like, no.

[Heath]

Like a cage the size of, like, this. With, like, a door that, like, slams like a guillotine.

[Matt]

Oh, yeah.

[Heath]

And I was like, like, one of these giant, like, oh, but see through.

[Matt]

Zane after a few drinks would be like, give me a bit.

[Heath]

Our plan was if we saw a bear, like, are we all running into this thing and, like, shutting it to, like, hide?

[Zane]

Oh.

[Heath]

I was like, oh, my gosh. If we did do that, all five of us stuck in this little cage together, and then like, no. Get out.

[Zane]

Yeah.

[Matt]

What are they doing? With the bear. Okay. They trap the bear and then they move it further away from the trail. They're not, like, killing bear.

[Zane]

Yeah, I don't think they're. No one's killing bears, right?

[Matt]

It depends.

[Zane]

Unless. Unless they. They're not just, like, capturing then killing them.

[Heath]

Yeah, this is. This is like, what it was right there, Heath.

[Zane]

My tent would be right next to it. And where's my food going? In the cage. That's where everyone's food is going to be for the night.

[Heath]

But we did have, like, bear hangs and everything to, like, pull your food up to keep it, like, off the ground.

[Matt]

Pulley system.

[Zane]

Oh, you did that. You did that? Yeah.

[Heath]

You have to.

[Zane]

Did you film it? That's kind of sick.

[Heath]

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[Zane]

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[Heath]

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[Matt]

Were you the most experienced? Because you've done trips like this in the past, Were you the most experienced in the bunch? Or was there someone else who was, like, kind of the bear Grylls of the group?

[Heath]

So me, Austin and Jeff, I think this was our. So we do it annually. I think this is our fifth annual.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Heath]

So we all pretty much are.

[Zane]

Shane was a newbie.

[Heath]

Shane, this was his first one. My brother. Yeah.

[Matt]

Was he. Was he nervous?

[Heath]

Very outdoorsy. Okay, so he wasn't nervous at all. But what's crazy is, like, we set up for the night, started getting dark, and then we all started getting, like, a little, like, little spooked. We were like, okay. So then we went back down to the water to like look at like the sunset. And there was fresh bear paw, like tracks on top of what we had already seen. I'm like, okay, they're clearly right now. Whatever. We do a little fire. We end up eating and then we go to bed. I wake up at three in the morning. One of the other kids is like shaking my tent. He get up now. Oh, get up now. And I'm like, what, what, what? So I. I'm. He's like, get your thermal. So I brought my thermal vision. What time.

[Matt]

What time is the middle of the night?

[Heath]

Three in the morning.

[Zane]

Okay, three.

[Heath]

Pitch black.

[Zane]

Heath, you brought your heavy ass thermal goggles.

[Matt]

He spent so much money on him. I don't blame him. In the perfect territory for it. Yes. Yeah. Like so.

[Heath]

It's like so I can see it, but I can't do anything.

[Zane]

Yeah.

[Matt]

All right, I want to see this.

[Zane]

That's funny.

[Heath]

So he wakes me up, I'm like. I'm like, oh. He's like. He got out of his tent to go to the bathroom and he put his headlamp on and he turned and he saw two sets of eyes 50ft away staring at us.

[Zane]

And I was like, oh, my God.

[Heath]

So I get out, I grab it, I turn it on, and it's like doing the load up screen.

[Matt]

And I'm like, come on.

[Zane]

You also don't want to see it either because that's like, it's a horror movie.

[Heath]

I thought, you know, maybe it was the middle of the night. He had like a sleep paralysis type thing. Yeah, he was just kind of like dazed in a dream, seeing things. I put it up. Two wolves staring at us. I'm like, oh, I'm sitting there. I go. And I just give it to him and he's like, holy. And we're both like freaking out. They're underneath the bear hang where our food is and they're just dead staring at us. And I was like, this is wild. And this is our first night.

[Zane]

And you do this for fun? This is like. You do.

[Matt]

This is.

[Zane]

You do this for fun. We did the 17th door and we walked away. How the hell did you.

[Danielle]

You said at the end of the trip, Shane was like, this is type. This is type two fun, right?

[Heath]

I was like, yes, 100 type two fun. But yeah, I'll just kind of like speed run through everything.

[Matt]

But I had a tent question. Yeah, Four guys, all individual tents.

[Heath]

Everybody has their own individual byot. Yeah.

[Matt]

Okay. Are in the tent roomy or are we doing like just a.

[Heath]

So they. So everything is like in the ultralight backpacking world. So they call it a two person ultralight tent. But really it's comfortable for one person.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Heath]

It's very light, that one. That's about the size of it. So mine weighs two pounds. You're. You're trying to be like as light as possible because you are trekking with everything.

[Zane]

But it's also pretty strong too, though.

[Matt]

It's like.

[Zane]

It's a clipper.

[Matt]

You gotta rot it up.

[Heath]

There's the sticks and everything that run through the frame. You kind of clip it on. Then you like stake it out, put your guidelines, whatever. And it's not like super, super sturdy, but it is like, you're not like gonna blow over.

[Matt]

Got it. How cold was it?

[Heath]

So I had packed thinking because there was a cold snap like a few days before we got there. And we were, we went into it thinking it was going to be like 30, 40 degrees.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Zane]

And you have to too, just in case because you can't be out there like freezing to death.

[Heath]

I packed my pants to trek in that were like insulated. I was thinking we were going to be cold. It ended up being like 70 degrees. Oh, humid.

[Matt]

Oh.

[Heath]

And I was just like. So I was like burning up walking. I was like, this sucks.

[Zane]

I would have like all that extra show just tossed out just to make my trip a little better.

[Heath]

But we all. It was, it was, it was comfortable. We were fine. And then I'll just kind of like fast forward next night. We ended up going. You like, hike like six miles. Then you get to your next campsite.

[Matt]

Cell phone signal or no cell phone signal? No signal.

[Heath]

But I have a satellite phone.

[Matt]

Okay. So if something happened, like someone broke their leg, you could at least.

[Zane]

I tried texting my baby four times. He did not respond.

[Matt]

Are you okay?

[Zane]

Are you there?

[Matt]

I know I had you on Find My Friends and I could just see. It was just like, he's in this area, but like, we don't know where he's at.

[Zane]

I'm like, mariah, is he doing. Has he texted? We've been talking the whole time. I'm like, interesting, Interesting. Yeah.

[Heath]

I told you to download the app.

[Danielle]

Danielle was like, do you think he told or didn't tell Zayn on purpose about the satellite? I'm like, no, he probably told him. But it's a whole step to download the app and Zane's not gonna do it.

[Zane]

No, I know.

[Matt]

I thought I download an app app to talk to you.

[Danielle]

If you try it's the only way I can contact him was through the app. It's kind of like WhatsApp.

[Heath]

No, you don't have to. I pay for a membership for a satellite phone. It's a Garmin.

[Matt]

How was the battery life on that days? That's crazy.

[Heath]

It's. It's amazing. So I can send Boost mobile. I can send any text through my Garmin, no matter what's. Like, you don't have service. Anything like that. It's pings satellite.

[Zane]

Is it like T9?

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Zane]

Or does it have a full keyboard on it?

[Heath]

On the device, you have to kind of like scroll through the letters and it gets annoying. But on my iPhone, I have the app. So I can text normally through the app, but it's using my device.

[Matt]

Oh.

[Heath]

To shoot the signal up to the satellite.

[Zane]

That's sick.

[Heath]

Wow.

[Zane]

Okay.

[Heath]

I have the one on the left.

[Matt]

Cute.

[Zane]

All right, Heath. I thought Mariah had that too, so I thought she. I thought she was texting you. It feels like you had this actual satellite phone bs.

[Heath]

I told her, download the app and we can, like, text through that.

[Zane]

I think this is a good thing for everyone to have just, like, on them or not on them. Just like, in their closet. Just, like, have it on you in case just anything ever goes down. You just have it.

[Heath]

So what's cool about it is that every message I send sends my coordinates. So if I stopped responding or if something happened, she would have, like, my last.

[Danielle]

I don't know what I would do.

[Matt]

From there, but they're like, ma'am, one of the coordinates seen a lot of numbers.

[Zane]

29, three south, north.

[Matt]

Negative.

[Danielle]

I'm like. I'm like, reading his phone number.

[Matt]

Latitude? I don't know.

[Zane]

But that's. That's really good, though, that she has, like, your last coordinates for every star. That's.

[Matt]

Yeah, I love the message on it. Like, rescue on the way. ETA two hours.

[Danielle]

ETA three days.

[Heath]

But we were thinking about if something did happen, if we press sos, how long it would take somebody to come pull us out.

[Matt]

And would you have to find a clearing for it to be, like. For, like, a chopper to come get you?

[Zane]

No, that's when they have, like, the rope ladder. I think they go as low as possible, and then they have the rope ladder. You see movies. I think that's how they do it, right? In case. If it's a law or no they.

[Matt]

Put you in, like, the thing.

[Danielle]

I'd be. I'd be a lot more worried if you weren't with the group. You were with three firefighters and a corrections officer.

[Zane]

What about me? I'd be worried.

[Matt]

I'd be worried they would just go, like, get cabin fever or like just.

[Danielle]

No, he'd start losing it. He'd get there and be like, no, no, I can't. I actually can't. You don't understand.

[Heath]

I was going to show you. So this just so you have the idea. This was like the bear tracks and, like, all by the water by our campsite.

[Matt]

I don't even know if I could identify a bear track.

[Heath]

You're going to see this picture and.

[Matt]

Be like, okay, yes, black bear, brown bear.

[Heath]

Black bears are out there. And then also with, like, the wolves. I didn't know if there was wolves out there, so my first thought went to coyote. But I'm looking at it and they were matt. They were big. Like, it was not like a. I.

[Matt]

Think they were suburban coyote. It was.

[Heath]

So I once we got out of the mountain and I got like, Internet, I looking it up apparently, like, that's so cute. They call them like red wolves. So it was a cross breed between wolves and coyotes out there, making these, like, weird red wolves breed in the Smoky Mountains, apparently.

[Zane]

Oh, no. They look like they'll eat you up in one.

[Danielle]

They actually look so cute.

[Heath]

That's the size it was.

[Zane]

Yeah. Wow. Nope.

[Matt]

Did you ever get crunched for time? So, like, every night we're working to a new campsite and you have that planned out along the trail. Did you always make it there in, like, good time or were there any times? We're like, guys, we need to. Nightfall is upon us. We gotta get to the checkpoint.

[Heath]

We. Okay, so that was one of the bear paws. Oh, like, this was where we got dropped off and this was what we had to walk up and immediately saw all those bear, like, he tracks.

[Zane]

I don't know. That looks like my footprint.

[Heath]

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[Heath]

Thank you so much, hers for sponsoring this podcast. We love you. I'll tell you about this. Our last night there, we stayed in this campsite. So you, you trek like six miles a day and you get to the next spot and there's nowhere in between to like set up. It's just like a trail.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Heath]

And then it opens up into a campsite. We got to the campsite and it was said posted on the trees there, this campsite is closed. High bear activity. And at this point your option is to either trek back or trek another six miles to the next campsite or.

[Matt]

Going on a bear hunt.

[Heath]

So we're like, okay, whatever, we'll just stay. And this spot was the most ins. I have to show you what this.

[Zane]

Matt, you have a little bear app. It like shows you all the bears in the area.

[Heath]

It was the craziest setup I've ever seen. So it was in the middle of like a corner of a river. And it was like a flat plateau with like grass everywhere. And then somebody, I don't know when or where or what happened, but they had set up this rock formation. Oh, with a fire pit. But like, look at the way the rocks are set up. There's like a seat in every, like, corner. Flat one. And then an angled one is a back rest.

[Matt]

Oh, someone got crafty out there.

[Heath]

Super crafty. But there was seats all around.

[Matt]

It looks a little witchy. Or I don't know, I was seeing like crazy.

[Zane]

I, I can see that.

[Heath]

But it was a really cool setup. And we're like, this is, this is really sick.

[Zane]

It could, it possibly could have been there for a really long time. And then people just walk up to it, they see it, they're like, oh, who did this?

[Danielle]

Wait, talk about the, the other night.

[Heath]

Oh, so, okay, so this is the campsite we stayed at. This was our last night. And this was the most sketchy because this was like the high bear activity. Also on the way to this, we came across a bear on the trail, like right in front of us. And we're like, okay, how big are.

[Zane]

These bears that you're seeing?

[Heath]

Probably five.

[Zane]

Like full grown or like half grown?

[Heath]

It was like a full size.

[Matt]

I don't know my bear sizes. I've never seen like a bear in person.

[Heath]

They're big.

[Matt]

Yeah, Seemed like a panda bear.

[Heath]

And then also right on the trail on the way here was a wild boar. Oh, and those are massive and also really aggressive. Like they will mess you up like a black bear. They're not too, you know, aggressive. They, they're scared of you, so they will just like run. But a wild boar, they, they want, they know, they want that smoke. They, they know what's up. So I was more nervous about that.

[Zane]

Oh wait, that's a boar. Okay. I was thinking a hog. Oh, it's the same thing.

[Heath]

The one that I saw clicked like that one like it there, there was.

[Zane]

A movie that I was watching that, that will you up.

[Heath]

They do.

[Zane]

And it's crazy.

[Heath]

They will.

[Zane]

They'Ll eat right through you too. Right?

[Heath]

So we end up going to the campsite. We're hanging out. It's amazing. At 3:00 in the morning again, all of a sudden a lone guy comes walking through in between our tents.

[Danielle]

Oh, now keep in mind because I always ask him, are there other campers around? They said this trip, trip. For some reason nobody else was camping ones on this. You didn't see anybody the whole time.

[Heath]

But also 3:00 in the morning is pitch black witching hour. It's not like he walks through like during us, you know, at 5:00 and he's like also looking for a campsite.

[Danielle]

And to be by yourself.

[Heath]

Yes.

[Danielle]

In that environment is so strange. It's not like you could do runyon by yourself and you're fine. Like this is a, this is in the middle of nowhere.

[Heath]

So I was like, like, honestly, I think a lone person out there in the woods is already crazy scarier than, like, any animal.

[Danielle]

I'd rather come across a dinosaur for real.

[Zane]

And the fact that he's out there by himself, too, is just, like, crazy.

[Heath]

You gotta be some other type of crazy to be doing this alone.

[Zane]

Yeah.

[Heath]

Like, people think I'm crazy. And we do it with, like, a group of five. It's like, you enjoy that and it's like, yeah, it's type two fun. But, like, to go by yourself and just do that.

[Danielle]

Something's up.

[Heath]

Wild.

[Matt]

Why?

[Heath]

So I don't know why he just walked right through. He came like, he had, like, a flashlight walking through, and then he just went down and just went to the water.

[Danielle]

And he wasn't a ranger.

[Heath]

No. Just disappeared.

[Zane]

That's it.

[Heath]

Just gone. Nothing. Nothing came about it.

[Zane]

What if it's good? This is really scary, but hear me out. Imagine he was, like, checking it out, but he saw there's just too many people.

[Heath]

Probably.

[Zane]

It's. It's not good enough. It needs to be only maybe two people.

[Heath]

He was like.

[Matt]

He's like, oh, they're all dudes. Sorry.

[Zane]

No, no, it's. No, it's real.

[Matt]

No, it's real.

[Zane]

It's real.

[Matt]

Like, we were.

[Heath]

We were working on our. If we did come across, like, because we were a group of dudes, we were on the trail working on how.

[Danielle]

If you're around the fire, you're playing ninja.

[Heath]

No, but we were, like, going through lines in our head to let if a group of, like, girls walk by. Like, no, we are not a threat.

[Matt]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Heath]

Oh, I love that.

[Danielle]

Like, hey, girl, you look so cute. Good luck. It's exhausting.

[Zane]

Honestly, in that moment, it's probably. It's probably the best, like, best, like, way to make a group of girls feel really safe. Like, don't.

[Danielle]

You don't have to, like, freak out.

[Heath]

The people do it on TikTok.

[Danielle]

So I told them about it.

[Heath]

So we're, like, going through and, like, just, like, making up, like, different socially up.

[Danielle]

You're practicing your Charleston.

[Zane]

Your brother just.

[Matt]

So he's like.

[Zane]

He does it. It just sounds way too fake. And everyone's like, yo. The girl's just like, we gotta go. Yeah, no, we gotta go.

[Heath]

Oh, man. But it was really fun, was the.

[Matt]

Whole trail, one circle. So did you. Where you started and then did that guy pick you up at the end?

[Heath]

So we left the car at the very bottom, grabbed the boat here. He drove us all the way up here. And then we hiked our way all the way back to the car.

[Matt]

Oh, okay.

[Heath]

But it ended up like our last day, I think we did like just over eight and a half miles. Day before was like six and a half. I think like another six and a half. I don't know exactly how much it was all together. Probably around 20 something. 20.

[Zane]

Any. Any aches? Anybody throw their back out?

[Matt]

Any.

[Zane]

Anything like that? Because I know I would have the worst.

[Heath]

The worst thing is just like, you don't get a good night. Night's sleep. Like you're sleeping on a pad this thick.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Heath]

With like no support the grounds.

[Matt]

And it's night after night after night of rough sleep. Like. Yeah.

[Zane]

And that's.

[Matt]

You see?

[Zane]

And that's why, like, I don't do the trips with you. And I would love to, but it's my mind. I have really bad lower back. And you know that I would not.

[Matt]

Be able to handle that. Like day two, I'd be like.

[Heath]

But we need it.

[Matt]

We need.

[Zane]

Imagine like your back being thrown out and then you have to like hike up with your group and like, you don't want to hold them back. Like, that would suck.

[Heath]

But like, we were making things out there. Like I said, we were carving like. Like weapons also. We were making like homemade chopsticks out there.

[Matt]

I would be like, actually really cool.

[Zane]

He. Did you do a little design in the middle?

[Danielle]

That's cool.

[Matt]

I would be leaving witchy just to freak out future.

[Zane]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Like making weird rock formations and like, you know, little sticks, hanging stuff from trees. Like the little stuff in Blair Witch Project. Just to freak people out.

[Zane]

Matt, that's. That's not. Not a bad idea.

[Heath]

And then that was like our.

[Matt]

What? That's a great shot.

[Danielle]

Good formation.

[Zane]

You should send that to. What's that brand?

[Danielle]

A dancer. A dancer would love this picture. You guys found your windows?

[Matt]

Yes.

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Danielle]

Whose tent is back, right?

[Heath]

They.

[Danielle]

They're a little out of line.

[Heath]

Stop.

[Danielle]

That's not you.

[Heath]

It is.

[Danielle]

You're.

[Heath]

You're.

[Danielle]

You got to scoot over a little bit.

[Heath]

The ground was dropped off right there where I was.

[Zane]

Yeah.

[Heath]

Mariah and I had to.

[Danielle]

The show must go on.

[Zane]

You weren't there.

[Heath]

I know.

[Danielle]

And I. And I would never.

[Heath]

I was the one tripping. And then. Matt, you're gonna love this. As we're going through these trails each day that we were hiking, we came across these cemeteries in the middle of nowhere.

[Zane]

Wait, wait, what do you mean? Like.

[Heath]

Yes. Full blown cemeteries of people who just have hundred years.

[Matt]

How far did they go back?

[Heath]

1700S. They were born.

[Danielle]

Send them.

[Matt]

Before the country was like. Your country was 1776. But, yeah.

[Zane]

Did you take a picture?

[Heath]

I. Many pictures and videos. We. I. I could not believe.

[Matt]

It's like, here lies Abigail.

[Zane]

It's clearly.

[Matt]

Scarlet fever.

[Heath]

Look at this one. This was, like, one of the older ones that I saw.

[Matt]

Oh, my God. Moses Proctor. Was this the Crucible?

[Heath]

Proctor and Gamble? Like, no, these names were Patience, Ruston Proctor.

[Matt]

Were there former, like, townships out there that just no longer exist, and that's why the people live.

[Heath]

A lot of names were, like, Calhoun. And then there's also a town nearby that was called Calhoun. And then as soon as we left, there was a restaurant called, like, Calhoun's. And it just seemed like they had just legacy pioneered, like, the town or something.

[Danielle]

What was the other thing? You ran into a ghost.

[Matt]

Oh.

[Heath]

And then there was an abandoned house, like, right next to this.

[Matt]

Oh.

[Heath]

And we were walking by, and I was like, guys, don't. They're like, we have to go in.

[Zane]

That's how. That's how a scary movie star.

[Heath]

I know.

[Matt]

Everything's how big of a house. Like. Like a little shadow.

[Zane]

Literally, like, every movie that you've seen where they're in the woods, they're like, look at this house. They walk in, they find something, an artifact.

[Danielle]

I would make that my campground, though. Look at this house. Tell me you want to say.

[Zane]

I'd be dancing on their grill.

[Matt]

Y'all run into Sam and Colby.

[Danielle]

They're like, hey, guys, like, give the video.

[Matt]

Oh, hell, no.

[Zane]

That looks like. That looks like trouble.

[Danielle]

Hear me out. The inside's really nice.

[Matt]

I would take a peek at a window, but I entered upper.

[Zane]

I wouldn't even want to. I don't want to see something I don't want to.

[Heath]

Like this in LA. 1.5 million.

[Matt]

5 mil.

[Zane]

You should have looked under the house.

[Heath]

The whole time we were. We kept saying, like, this is what you would see in a movie and be like, there's no way these people are this dumb to do this. You know when you, like, watch a movie and you're like, like, oh. So everybody just drops their backpack and goes in to do this, and it sucks you in.

[Matt]

It's like, I just want to know.

[Danielle]

The story so bad.

[Zane]

Yeah.

[Danielle]

I would hope to go inside and see pictures or something. Like, what? This is in the middle of nowhere, and it's abandoned.

[Zane]

Right. Like, let's go inside. A bear and a wolf inside that.

[Matt]

Passed you guys in the middle.

[Zane]

That's why you can't have someone like me. You have a video of inside. Heath, you're gonna get haunted. You are so.

[Danielle]

Okay. Envision it, like, finished.

[Matt]

Wait, did y'all. Did you break in?

[Heath]

The doors were open.

[Matt]

Oh, okay, look.

[Heath]

Front door was wide open.

[Matt]

Oh, shit.

[Heath]

Zane, doesn't this look like a cold stone? Like, ice cream scoop?

[Zane]

It does.

[Matt]

What is an old school freezer?

[Danielle]

It looks like a deep fryer.

[Zane]

Oh, maybe they're running like a.

[Heath]

Like a bed and breakfast.

[Matt]

Yeah, yeah, it was probably like, maybe a. Like, like a post along the trail to, like, people who needed to eat supplies.

[Zane]

Yeah, like a spooky egg.

[Matt]

A trading post on this house.

[Heath]

It said that Calhoun name where, like, all the. The tombstones were. Calhoun.

[Zane]

You saw the owner and the owner's steed.

[Matt]

You find, like a fidget spinner. You're like, what the. Okay, come on.

[Danielle]

The newest iPhone.

[Matt]

Yeah, like, there's just a perfectly good charger. A USB C charger. Like, oh, this isn't like, whatever we're.

[Zane]

Not going to hear, is it?

[Matt]

Espresso machine in there. You like, like what?

[Danielle]

Like, just aura rings in the bedroom. You're what?

[Zane]

Wait a second.

[Heath]

Okay, I don't want to keep talking. I could talk forever about the hike, but it was amazing. We made it out safe, nothing bad happened. And yeah, type two fun. It was awesome.

[Zane]

The fifth time. Man, I'm just glad you came back alive again. You scare me every time.

[Heath]

Oh, real quick, I did want to say, apparently iOS 18 on the iPhone, you can satellite message now.

[Matt]

Yes. Yeah, I know you.

[Heath]

It shows the satellites above you, and you point your phone, it tells you, like, where they are, and you can send messages on iOS 18 without having any service or wi fi.

[Zane]

That's sick.

[Matt]

Did you guys bring any entertainment, like, or.

[Heath]

I just brought a journal.

[Matt]

A journal?

[Heath]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Music?

[Heath]

Nope.

[Matt]

Oh, nothing.

[Zane]

I would not be able to. I'd be just dark circles. I'd be scaring the out of you guys. If you maybe go in that house. House. The next day, I'd be.

[Danielle]

He's drawing the house on fire.

[Zane]

All of us hanging.

[Danielle]

You're all hanging from the bear traps.

[Matt]

Zane, you good?

[Heath]

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[Zane]

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[Heath]

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[Zane]

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[Heath]

Thank you so much, Rocket Money for sponsoring this podcast, saving us and all of our listeners so much money. Okay, how did everybody else. Everybody else's week good.

[Zane]

I had a pretty chill weekend, I don't think. Let me remember what I did. Why don't you tell us about your weekend while I remember.

[Matt]

I'll tell you what I did last night. I went to a Disney channel drinking games. You know the Disney games. That was big. Like on the Disney.

[Heath]

So weird because we were literally at Disney last night.

[Matt]

You were you guys that went to Disney Fun.

[Zane]

Yeah.

[Danielle]

With the different shirts.

[Matt]

So yeah, there's like a red team, yellow team, blue team Green team, pink team, and it's all drinking. I think I still have glitter on my face.

[Zane]

I saw that. I was like, why?

[Matt]

Is it. Because our team did glitter and I wasn't able to wash it off.

[Zane]

Don't be mad.

[Matt]

But it was really fun.

[Heath]

And so how do you, how do you play?

[Matt]

Like, so like the first game is like a bunch of jello shots and underneath each one of the lids is like a letter and you have to figure out who your team mascot's gonna be. And then on the stage they all have cardboard cutouts with like a drape over it. And then there's like, once you figure it out, that's also your placement right now in the game. And we got like Zendaya. We had like a Z, E, N, D, A, Y, A. And I was like, it's Zendaya. We got Zendaya. And like they revealed it. We're like, woo.

[Zane]

I love that it brings you back. Shit like that brings you back.

[Matt]

Like flip cup. And then you do a. It's like a ball bouncing thing. Was it more of a relay race?

[Zane]

Was it a birthday party? And then that was the theme.

[Matt]

It was their birthday for Pablo and Alex.

[Zane]

Oh, nice. Okay, so it was a birthday. That was a theme. That's, that's.

[Matt]

It was a blast. It was a blast. I loved it. That's what I did last night. But over the week, just every, every.

[Zane]

Time I see Matt, I'm like, oh, oh, how was your weekend out of the state? Like in my head, like, oh, he definitely traveled.

[Heath]

Was gone somewhere.

[Matt]

I went to Dripping Springs for a wedding and that was really nice. And did Halloween, but.

[Zane]

Oh yeah, that was Halloween. Oh, you went. It was a Halloween wedding you went to. Nice.

[Matt]

Yes.

[Zane]

Did you guys hear about the. Remember we were talking about how Michael Myers. Or I was saying how has nobody dressed up as a killer and did something crazy on Halloween? Remember we're talking about that? Yeah, we haven't really heard anything. It just happened this Halloween.

[Matt]

Oh.

[Zane]

Someone in a Michael Myers mask had an ax on Halloween and like act somebody's leg off.

[Heath]

Zane, you gotta stop talking on everything you say.

[Zane]

No, I. Here's the thing. I think it's just. We don't see it happening. And then when somebody hears us talking about it, then they find something. I think it's all like, I don't think I'm putting anything in the universe. You know, I'm not that special. Special.

[Matt]

Oh my gosh. Oh, is that Philly?

[Zane]

Yeah, it was a Philly. Michael Myers stops another Location and gets another victim. Not only a little boy, but also a man with an ax. And runs off.

[Heath]

Oh my gosh.

[Zane]

Still haven't been caught.

[Matt]

That's what.

[Heath]

That's awful.

[Zane]

Crazy.

[Matt]

The therapy I would need after attacker, like, yeah, just being attacked one that is just awful. But being attacked by a masked man.

[Zane]

But here, look. What if the guy had like an infection that was spreading quickly, like, you know, just some. And then he was just helping him. We don't know the story yet. He hasn't been caught.

[Matt]

Love the imagination. Love the imagination.

[Zane]

I think we got your guys foot.

[Heath]

Bit by like a rattlesnake.

[Zane]

Yeah.

[Heath]

So he amputated it to keep the blood from traveling up.

[Zane]

I watched too many movies, Heath. It's not a good mindset.

[Matt]

You've seen in a violent nature. It's this new movie out. It's like this horror movie. But it's a very interesting take. Some people like hate it because they think it's kind of boring. You follow the killer the entire time. So, you know, like the kids in the cabin in the woods on a.

[Zane]

Camping trip, you never see that side.

[Matt]

You never see that side.

[Zane]

So I love that.

[Matt]

All about like the teenagers and them partying and him just like walking up and getting closer and slowly killing them off. But it's. It's this weird. It's very like kind of like a.

[Heath]

Different perspective of it.

[Matt]

Yeah, yeah. But it's all through his eyes. And it's a very. It's freaky, but good.

[Zane]

I feel like it's really hard to make interesting. It's an interesting concept.

[Matt]

Concept. That's where it kind of fail to execute. But it's worth kind of watching if you want to check.

[Zane]

Interesting.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Danielle]

I did a little vandalism while Heath was gone.

[Zane]

I'm just gonna say what you do. I'm just gonna say, oh, would you vandalize?

[Danielle]

I love that he. Heath was gone for like four days and I was just spiraling and I was just writing his name everywhere. Like, no, no, literally.

[Matt]

Literally.

[Danielle]

So first I started off, like just wholesome. And I was. I got us Christmas stockings and I sewed like our names and stuff and put them on the fireplace. And then I. I don't know what happened.

[Heath]

I lost control.

[Danielle]

I lost control. I was out of control. It was an out of body experience. The. The workers came to redo the street. And I'm. I'm never gonna come across the situation again. And they left and the street was blocked off in front of the house. House. So I ran out with A screwdriver and carved our name into the street.

[Heath]

Because they put the cement into the west.

[Matt]

Full names or just initials H and M. Oh, okay, nice.

[Danielle]

Right in front of our driver.

[Zane]

No, no, but not. It was.

[Danielle]

I was out there like this. I was literally like this. Oh, I have a video.

[Matt]

Was it really wet or, like, kind of borderline?

[Danielle]

Like, it was kind of. Because I wanted to wait for them to go down the block.

[Heath]

Yeah, no, but you should see, I got home to the neighborhood. It's beautiful. It's all repaved, whatever. But also, you see some rogue person that said it and just drove through. There's tire marks all through it. And they were, like, back and forth.

[Zane]

Like, oh, someone did it to just like, I'm mad. I'm gonna destroy this.

[Heath]

Because they, like, blocked the street off, and I think they got frustrated and didn't want to, like, find a way around.

[Zane]

That's crazy.

[Danielle]

Breaking through the barricade.

[Matt]

I was in middle school in Time, and we were at Sonic, like, the. You know, the drive in, and there was wet cement, like, in the back. And me and my friends went up with, like, a stick and started writing it. And the manager came out and just yelled at us. It was like, you little shits. Like, why? Why are you doing that? That is our property. Like, and yelled at us. And I'll never forget this urge. It was a huge moment where I was like, if it was my own cement, like, outside of my own place, maybe, but, like, I shouldn't have done it at Sonic.

[Danielle]

Really bad call that urge, though, because, like, you don't come across that often.

[Heath]

Where you have the opportunity closing. It's not gonna be. You're like, I got 20 minutes before.

[Zane]

This thing is dropping. And you know what you see? You see it all the time. So you think it's like, okay, you crazy, Mariah.

[Matt]

Oh, that's untimely. That's asphalt.

[Heath]

Like, girl.

[Zane]

Mariah, you look like a psychopath.

[Danielle]

Aritzia, if you want to know my outfit, squat. Get ready with me to vandalize the street.

[Zane]

Who's even filming this? Like, someone walking down the street. Film destruction.

[Danielle]

It's a dream drone. I just set it up myself.

[Heath]

Oh, one of the workers.

[Danielle]

I said, can you record this really quick? It'll be funny.

[Zane]

That's funny. Wait, that's. And it's not fully. It looks. I don't know, maybe because of the video. It. It looks like it's like 90 dry.

[Danielle]

No, it's almost dry.

[Zane]

Oh, okay.

[Danielle]

That's why I was carving, because I wanted to put the date. I wanted to put the date, but it was too dry, where I couldn't get, like, a curve in for two, so I just left it.

[Zane]

Your neighbors are looking outside just like, yeah, we. It's one of those names you're on.

[Matt]

The next door app. Like, who is this. Who is this woman? Do you know her?

[Zane]

Like, oh, boy, you should have. You should have looked a little crazier and had, like, a robe on. Just like you. You're like, you could not waste any time.

[Matt]

Vandalization.

[Zane]

Oh, when. When Heath was in Tennessee, when I had a few days where I could talk to him before he disappeared, appeared, went rogue. I was. We were talking about. How about the pe. The peanut, the squirrel. But before we get into that, we. I was. He. He. I was dying. Heath was telling. You know how we were talking about the AI Animals, like the tiny little cows and the tiny pigs and the tiny. Heath was telling me how he had his whole talk with his grandparents. Are his parents or grandparents? His grandparents. About how those were, like, not real.

[Matt]

Oh, they thought they were real.

[Heath]

Or look how adorable, how cute this is. I was like, yeah, it is really cute. But, like, you know, they're not real. And he was like, what are you talking about? I go, they're like. They're.

[Matt]

It's like computer animated.

[Heath]

I was like, they're. They look really real. Like, this is fake graphics. Like, think of, like, video games.

[Matt]

Yes.

[Heath]

Right?

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Heath]

They were like, what do you mean, like video? Like, I was like, it looks real, right? Right. But it's not. And they're like, how do you know, though?

[Zane]

I'm scared what we're going to think is real.

[Heath]

I was like.

[Matt]

I was like, this would be on the news if it was real. Like, I.

[Heath]

Like, you're just looking at one image, like a baby. Like a baby cow in the hand.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Heath]

They're like, but how do you know it's not real? I was like, I don't really know how to explain because they're also old and their eyesight isn't the best. So to them, it probably looks clear.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Zane]

So I was like, knowing me now, though, if I was at age now, I 100% would believe that I'd be sharing it. I'd be, y'all look at this now. We are at a different time now.

[Matt]

We're gonna be just such grumpy old people. When we're old, we're gonna be like, that's AI.

[Zane]

Yeah, exactly.

[Matt]

There could be some amazing, like, Marvel. And they're like, look at this. And we're like, well, that's just AI.

[Zane]

We're not gonna believe anything. Anything. That's so funny how, like, old people believe everything. We're not gonna believe anything. That's really interesting.

[Heath]

We should be super sin. Technical. Yeah, but, like, not, like, isn't this adorable? Not that type of, like.

[Zane]

Adorable.

[Danielle]

You are not. You are not gonna believe this.

[Zane]

There's no way.

[Matt]

I want one of him.

[Danielle]

You are not gonna believe this.

[Zane]

You know what? There was a. There was a point maybe, like, what, a few years ago where we couldn't really tell, but now it's just super as soon as you see her, like, I don't know what it is. It's just too perfectly 3D clear. I don't. I don't.

[Matt]

I felt.

[Heath]

I felt bad.

[Zane]

It's all right.

[Heath]

And they're like, but I want it to be real. I was like, me too.

[Zane]

But yes, I. I saw. So I've never heard about this, like, Peanut squirrel situation. I've never heard of it.

[Heath]

You've never seen Peanut the squirrel?

[Matt]

It's like a famous squirrel named Peanut.

[Danielle]

There's this guy on Tik Tok Talk.

[Heath]

And maybe we like squirrels.

[Danielle]

He posts with his squirrel and he rescued the squirrel. And he also has a raccoon. We can't forget the raccoon.

[Heath]

Yeah, Fred.

[Danielle]

He has a raccoon. Fred. And a squirrel named Peanut. But he, for a living rescues animals. He has a farm. He's a whole sanctuary of rescuing animals.

[Heath]

And he posts videos with, like, his animals. He, like, runs, like, a sanctuary, rehabilitating them, things like that. He lives in New York and he's had this little squirrel for, like, seven years.

[Matt]

I just saw the headline.

[Heath]

You saw the headline. So it's a trained squirrel. So he, like, is in the house and he's like, jumping and he's, like, not bothering anybody.

[Zane]

Like, he posts on Tick Tock. Like, he's been posting on tickets.

[Heath]

He makes money on Tick Tock and uses that to fund his animal shelter and, like, help the animals and things like that. And like, the squirrel is the face of this animal shelter. It's like peanuts. That's rehabilitation.

[Matt]

Something.

[Heath]

I don't remember the name exactly, but apparently somebody had, like, called into the state and complained to report that he had a squirrel.

[Matt]

And it's against. And it's against animal code, I guess.

[Heath]

You can't have a pet squirrel. And they apparently got a judge approved the search Warrant. They had 12 officers come into this guy's home.

[Danielle]

You wouldn't believe how fast they acted.

[Heath]

Pull him out of his house, Raided his entire house, took the squirrel, took the raccoon, had him sitting out of the house for like five or six hours or something like that and went through everything and ripped his whole house apart.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Heath]

He couldn't feed, like, the other animals and the horses that are, like, on the property and stuff because was like, literally, like, in custody.

[Danielle]

And he has a beautiful home. Like, it's. Everything's clean, everything. Like, there is nothing suspicious about these people.

[Heath]

Has the animal or whatever, but then they took it from him and then they cut its head off.

[Matt]

What? That's the. They, like. They euthanized it, like, by decapitating the squirrel?

[Heath]

Yes. To see if it had rabies.

[Zane]

Insane.

[Heath]

They cut his head off and killed his pet. Score squirrel.

[Danielle]

They euthanized Peanut and Fred for no reason.

[Zane]

Dude. The Internet went ballistic because people are.

[Heath]

Like, what are activists right now? And, like, people that's really dark.

[Matt]

Even like the ant, like, the people who are part of the animal control coming in at least have. They work in the animal business. They do have compassion. I understand there are situations where, like, the animals have to be euthanized, but they know how to do it humanely. But, like, decapitating is, like, really bizarre and wild.

[Zane]

And it's really sad because, I mean, I don't know, the person that, like, obviously called it in, it could have. It could have had a bad day or it was a terrible person or was a person that was genuinely worried about this squirrel having something. I have no idea.

[Matt]

I'm so surprised, though, that he himself, though that past passionate about the animals, though, did not know that he was, like, breaking the law or, like, was, I'm sure.

[Danielle]

But it takes to do research. There's another way to do it. Like, I would tell this guy, hey, just. Just so you know, you're really not allowed to have him. Let's bring him somewhere else.

[Matt]

Yes, I understand them taking the squirrel away and putting it somewhere else and he figure it out.

[Heath]

I had two pet squirrels for a while in Florida. I don't know if it's legal in Florida, but we were cutting the grass and it fell out of the tree, hit us in the head. And we're like, oh, my gosh, that's a big squirrel. And then we took it in. And then we had a squirrel in our house for years until they passed away.

[Danielle]

We had bingo, our squirrel. It's just.

[Zane]

That's a beautiful squirrel. That squirrel looks healthy. That's the healthiest squirrel I've ever seen. In my entire life. It looks clean. It looks like it eats. Look, he looks like he's having a really good life to me.

[Danielle]

The judge just should have looked at his videos and be like, okay, this is not allowed. How can we go about this like.

[Heath]

And they killed Fred the raccoon.

[Zane]

Yeah.

[Matt]

That breaks my heart.

[Zane]

Crazy. Yeah.

[Matt]

Breaks my heart.

[Zane]

I just can't believe how like aggressive it was. Like the whole thing. It just seemed so.

[Matt]

Did you ever see the video of that guy who like was like a snake owner and like animal control came in to like euthanize some of the state and they did the wrong one and they realized it. So there's a guy who was like a reptile video had. He did have like a ton of these certain type of snakes that were like against the law. They're like an invasive species and legally they had to come in and perform euthanize it. So they were taking these snakes out and sorry if this sounds so graphic and inhumane but you know you use like the bullet like or the like it's almost like a. It's like a nail gun. It's like a nail gun. They put it right into the head and they were doing it and killing them. And then they took out this massive bow constrictor that was not invasive, not on the ones they had to euthanize. It was the guy's prized one that he's had probably for 50 years.

[Heath]

Or it was just this like a hundred thousand dollar snake. Like a crazy.

[Zane]

They didn't make sure he was watching them do this.

[Matt]

Well, I think he just didn't want to watch. He like he knew that they were coming in and he didn't want to watch it. Yeah, obviously they have the body cam of like them doing it and then you see the one guy realize the one like copper, whatever. Is he going oh my gosh, oh my gosh. I'm not telling him, I'm not telling him. And he goes, well you have to tell him. And then the guy comes in like the owner of the snake and goes, you gotta be kidding me, Zane.

[Heath]

It's so I.

[Matt]

That is Zach Squirt like in here. He's. It is like the crazy little.

[Zane]

Did this just happen?

[Matt]

I feel like it happened like a year ago. The video comes up on my feed every now and then.

[Zane]

I've never seen that. That's crazy.

[Matt]

It's not that it would. It's not even that graphic of a video cuz you don't see them kill it. It's just see almost like A dead snake on the ground.

[Zane]

Yeah.

[Matt]

But it's just this you just know moment.

[Zane]

Yeah.

[Matt]

I mean, it was an accident, but a massive accident. They obviously, Obviously they didn't do it on purpose, but they were not paying attention.

[Zane]

I mean, that is such a. When you're like, ending, it doesn't matter. An animal's. You have to be a hundred percent certain. That's.

[Matt]

I would. I. Oh, yeah.

[Zane]

No, it's. You're screwed. And then that guy. I mean, that guy is liable for so much.

[Danielle]

I just feel so bad for this couple.

[Zane]

I. I feel. Yeah, it's.

[Danielle]

At the end of the day, they're just doing a good thing.

[Zane]

There's. Yeah, they're.

[Danielle]

I mean, like, there was another way to go about it. I just can't believe how dramatic of a situation.

[Zane]

Yeah, it hits hard for you guys since you guys, like, have taken in squirrels and like.

[Danielle]

Yeah.

[Matt]

I mean, that was the toughest thing, is what they were sharing.

[Zane]

Remember posting all those stories and we shared the. Bingo.

[Heath]

I don't. I have no idea if chickens were legal in Toluca Lake when I lived there. I have no idea. But we had chickens for what, two years? Yeah, if. If we would have been like, raided and like, they murdered my chickens, I would have like, I. I bald my eyes out.

[Matt]

What?

[Heath]

When the cat or whatever it was attacked Flo and killed Flo, I was devastated.

[Danielle]

Oh, Fred is so cute.

[Heath]

Fred was super cute.

[Zane]

Oh, my God. He's even cuter. Oh, my God, look at, look at the raccoon. Raccoon.

[Matt]

Oh, did you hear? Like 84, 70 to 80 monkeys have escaped in, like, North Carolina.

[Heath]

No way.

[Matt]

Like, I think chimps. Oh, look. Can you look up? Monkeys escaped. I wish I had a little bit of the apes. Monkeys escape in South Carolina?

[Zane]

That's crazy.

[Matt]

Yeah. 43 monkeys remain on the run.

[Heath]

Oh, this is Mariah.

[Zane]

Like, kind of, like, kind of cool.

[Heath]

Hi.

[Danielle]

We're moving.

[Heath]

This is awesome.

[Matt]

And I don't know. Monkeys aren't monkeys. They are not chimpanzees. For the people who are listening, I wish I could tell you they kind of look like.

[Zane]

That looks like Jumanji. Oh, no, no, no, the middle one.

[Matt]

Oh, there.

[Zane]

Remember the scene where the monkeys are jumping on the cop car?

[Heath]

It does look like though those type of.

[Matt]

But run free. Run while you can. But, you know, don't do any outdoor birthday parties out in South Carolina. Stay safe. What breed of monkeys are those? Wait, are they.

[Zane]

Wait, are all monkey like breeds dangerous or just some of them? Like, monkeys are like, monkeys Alone aren't, like, dangerous, like, if they, like, if they escaped.

[Matt]

Right.

[Heath]

There's also, like, there's monkeys that are like, like a capuchin monkey.

[Zane]

They're like, little, but even if they grow, like, full size, like, just in general, like, I just want to know.

[Matt]

Who was the person that left the gate open. Like, yeah, that's a lot of monkeys that are.

[Danielle]

That would have been me.

[Matt]

It's not one monkey too monkey.

[Heath]

Or, or they, it like they actually, like, found their way out and escaped.

[Zane]

Because monkeys are smart.

[Matt]

Yeah, I guess they were like, they go, I saw the pin code. I know it. Like, I, they. Monkeys never forget. They're just like, let's go. Oh, man. But damn, it's gonna be sad because I think all those monkeys are gonna die.

[Zane]

Oh, probably.

[Heath]

I think a pet raccoon would be. Well, not anymore.

[Zane]

Yeah, I, I, I think, I think kids, like animated movies are making it, like, making them so cute. They're just, they're actually, they're so cute.

[Heath]

It's like a cool, like, they look like robbers kind of dog.

[Danielle]

Yeah, they're really cute.

[Zane]

I keep getting confused with skunks.

[Danielle]

Skunks are cute too.

[Heath]

Skunks are cute, but why they pepe you?

[Zane]

It's such an interesting animal, the way it looks. It's almost like they purposely made the tail, like, the tail, like, half white.

[Heath]

Huh.

[Zane]

You know what I mean? It doesn't like it. It just seems, it seems like it should be all black for what it does, you know?

[Heath]

You can get them, like, d something. Yes. To, like, so they don't shoot out that smelly stuff.

[Matt]

It.

[Zane]

What does it smell like again? It smells like, like sour.

[Danielle]

Like, I don't know one person. This is another thing I pictured having to deal with growing up skunks. Like getting sprayed by a skunk.

[Heath]

I'm like, I always thought it was going to happen. And then I was, was like, oh, well, at least I know I just gotta put ketchup on.

[Zane]

No, it's wash yourself in tomato juice.

[Danielle]

Tomato juice. You sit in a bath of tomato juice.

[Zane]

Where did we learn that in Drake and Josh?

[Danielle]

I don't know.

[Zane]

I forget. We learned that in some.

[Heath]

I don't know. What is it?

[Danielle]

An oatmeal bath? Oh, no, it is tomato.

[Zane]

But, but that was only in the show, so I don't know if that's true or not.

[Heath]

Skunk. It smells like, you know, like people say, like, skunk weed.

[Zane]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay.

[Heath]

It smells exactly like. Yes. Their skunk punk Baking soda, Hydrogen peroxide.

[Zane]

Oh, complete opposite. But it can temporarily mask the smell. Yeah, sure. With tomatoes. Yeah, yeah.

[Heath]

Smell like tomatoes.

[Zane]

You can mask yourself with any smell.

[Danielle]

Like, I thought if you didn't take a tomato bath, you would die.

[Zane]

Die.

[Heath]

Yeah, the jellyfish thing, you have to pee on it.

[Danielle]

On it.

[Zane]

Yeah, I know that one.

[Heath]

Does that really work?

[Zane]

I don't. I don't think so.

[Heath]

All right, let's close it out. All right, guys. Well, that's it for today's episode. Thank you so much for watching. We love you so much. Also, make sure to check out our Patreon. Patreon.com Zayn and Heath. We keep these cameras rolling. You get an extended cut of every single episode. You also get every episode a few days early. You get early access. You get it ad free. And then we do a bonus episode every single month. We do a live Q and a every single month. Again, patreon.com Zane and Heath to check it out.

[Zane]

And for the people on the Patreon, yes, we are getting up two bonus episodes this month. Just wanted to remind you. Yes, apologies, but just wanted to remind you that. Yeah. Patreon.com Zane and Heath, also, we have.

[Heath]

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[Zane]

And you can make so many different. You could make it in so many different ways. If you put a little bit of water. You can put a lot of water.

[Heath]

Make it creamier, different consistency.

[Zane]

Yeah, it's so good. I love eating mine in a cake batter. Like brownie batter form. It's so good. I put strawberries in it and it's like the so guilt free and it just tastes amazing. I do that every night and I use cookies and cream and the fudgy brownie flavors. It is delicious.

[Heath]

All right, guys, we'll see you next week. We love you so much. And we'll see you in a second on winders.